How much power has this Picasso HDI with HALF a MILLION MILES lost?

#dyno #car #citroen
How does mileage actually affect the power output of a car?
Well, about two hours ago (at time of writing) ‪@HubNut‬ came out to the world and revealed that his Citroen Berlingo HDI does not produce much power.
I then wondered whether a Xsara Picasso with the same engine (2.0 HDI 90) and 512,000 miles under the wheels could match, or even beat said Berlingo.
The results are...interesting.
Thanks to @ashleywinston from Palmdale Motors for being entrusted with this rare piece of exotica.
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[@HubNut]

I'm not sulking. Honest.

[@mrcogginsgarage7062]

What not even a little bit ?... Seriously it's good to see you back from your holidays.

[@volt8684]

That’s one of worst berlingos on u tube😁soz but true

[@GadgetMart]

Bellas broken - has the engine number been checked? Looking like a 1.6hdi 75

[@GadgetMart]

The ironic thing is you wouldn’t buy the bullet proof 1.9d I suggested as it ‘only’ had 70bhp

[@squeakers27]

To be fair, Bella has been poorly lately and might not be fully back up to its best since all that was done to bella was some egr cleaner spray and might have not been serviced as well by it's previous owners. But as long as she runs alright to drive 👍

[@cawsticky1322]

I had a Zafira with 330,000 miles on it, it looked like 60.000 inside and out but then it was a German built one, sadly it had ALL of the common Vauxhall faults of perished rubber pipes and rotting cheapo wiring and was a royal pain in the backside, I eventually sorted it all then got shot of it because I'd had enough and couldn't trust it anymore. The super high mileage badge of honour is mostly a painful one. Great video content though :)

[@mickeyneo4228]

vauxhall is opel, opel is german just in the head of people now. and is not good quality

[@bmc9504]

I've got an 2005 vauxhall Corsa, new battery premium battery and new alternator...... The lights still flicker with the acceleration on and off. Nightmare. The wiring is a mess, originally I'd lose all power steering with low RPMs.

[@arandomelk8559]

My dad has a 2001 with about 300.000kms, so far its holding up quite well but this stuff does not sound good about whats to come

[@ilovesheryterry]

All the German quality nonsense that ends up in every opel being a nightmare?

[@zzoinks]

@@bmc9504 does it have anything to do with the ground connection?

[@TheOmegastoopreme]

The half a million mile Picasso.... He can remap it... He has the technology......... From. Now on it will be known as Steve The Picasso.....

[@GreyTheFloydianSergal]

gotta be Ronnie surely

[@JourneywithSmee]

And there’s me with a 2004 1.5 diesel clio on 223,000 miles and I thought that was high mileage! 😂

[@GreyTheFloydianSergal]

here's a possibility for the difference in power, as far as I could tell from other videos, the Picasso was mostly used for motorway driving & ran for longer at optimum running temperature so the EGR & Cat are operating more efficiently more of the time, versus a car that doesn't get warmed through as much & just clogs up with soot which I suspect is the case with Bella the Berlingo

[@GoldenCroc]

Bella likely is quite clogged up, indeed. Might be other stuff as well, but thats the first thing to check.

[@HA05GER]

Coukd even be blanked off

[@UPnDOWN]

Definitely think that's why the Picasso is in such rude health.

[@davidelliott5843]

My Fiat Panda 1.3 JTD broke its cam chain at 130,000. The engine was clogged with soot (thanks EGR) so it’s had a full top end rebuild including piston rings and turbo. All bearings and bores were good.

[@HA05GER]

@@davidelliott5843 if you plan on keeping the car have it blanked off. I've done it in my car as was cause a bit of hesitation and glad to know it's not clogging up the intake anymore.

[@zuiko21]

I'd LOVE to see that AX GT! Fond memories of such a FUN car...

[@UPnDOWN]

I don't have much, I just have some footage of it on the rolling road.

[@aaaabababa]

My last XM had a claimed output of 141hp and 225nm when new, when it was at around 370'000km i got it dynoed (with measuring the drivetrain/wheel etc. drag to get a more accurate result) and it came out with 156hp and somewhere around 240 or 245nm, i was pretty surprised to say the least, even tho i heard that these 2.0 Turbo engines liked to produce more than what they claimed to make. (and also we need to see what the Picasso does with the remap file now)

[@GoldenCroc]

Yeah, thats a bit too much to be because of "wearing in". As far as I know, thats gives a couple of horsepower at the most, and not compared to the factory specs, but for an individual car is dynoed right off the line at 0 miles, compared to at 200 000kms. So in your case it was because of too low factory claims for sure.

[@UPnDOWN]

I've found the turbo CT actually struggles on the dyno (one of the only PSA cars that has done) but then there are two specs - one 135-140bhp, and another 150bhp (as used in Xantia Activa) so it could be you had the later type?

[@aaaabababa]

@@UPnDOWN i had the earlier type, the one with 141PS, 225nm that was only used in the early 605 and XM's

[@MrOvershoot]

That look when the remap file is mentioned 😆

[@Ricketik65]

Yes, please show us the AX. My first AX took me all the way to Italy (and back!) and I really loved that little car!

[@johnlladron735]

Great video, thanks very much. As you say, testimony to what a bit of ongoing tlc can do with a car.

[@jugostran]

I'd love to see the AX GT!

[@375-Productions]

Never seen before, but this is funny and entertaining. Subscribed!!

[@johnmcmahon4364]

Great video, very informative and entertaining

[@2men1socket]

awesome video 👌🏻

[@shauntvr4312]

Change your oil regularly and it will last😊

[@19jacobob93]

I saw one of these have no oil changes in 50,000km, still running perfectly to this day 😅 very strong engines

[@danieldunn710]

Ill be honest, I liked and subscribe soon as I saw the Ronnie Pickering video. Enjoyed the rest of the video.good vid ❤

[@PieterB76]

This car keeps on delivering. Great video. Long time ago I wanted to check the state of health of the Xantia 1.8 16v, running on LPG, I had at that time. Didn't do a dyno-test but a compression-test instead. The engine proved to be very healthy allthough it had done "only" 360.000 km.

[@Messergebnis-liebhaber]

What do you mean by ONLY 360.000 kms?

[@pauldavies6037]

What Hub nut should now is get the compete EGR system cleaned out and remapped for 110 bhp like his will not damage the engine and make it 100% more driveable

[@hoddy121john]

Great video, great sense of humour you have 😂

[@grrfy]

WOOT This is like an Ol' school double bill matinee!

[@bordersw1239]

Still regret selling mine 20 years ago, thought it was on it’s last legs and then over 10 years later it drove out of the industrial unit next to the garage that was doing my car’s MOT, looking and sounding absolutely bloody great!

[@UPnDOWN]

Ouch!

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

I did this with my old puma...fuel tank wax about to fall out with rust etc. So I traded it in with them. 10 years later, they were still using that puma. ...but I didn't use the garage again, so they lost custom.

[@craigmclean8260]

Very entertaining and educational; I did not know that power could actually go up, vs. down, w/ a well-cared-for, well-worn engine...I had to see this video (and subscribe, and no, I'm not a 'bot!), after watching Mr. HubNut's "frown of shame" w/ Bella at 78 (sorry...77) BHP...or was that PS? PK? Gerbils per hamster wheel...? Much more fun than replacing sills ("...I, uhh, I've run out of metal...")

[@997speedy]

You have to keep your rolling road!! What a USP for Your youtube channel and you business!

[@charliemanson4808]

16:04 of course we want to see it. When i worked for Peugeot/Citroën in the 80's AX GT and GTIs where great cars to thrash around the Lake District....the best car for those roads though wasnt them, nor was it the 205 GTI but the far lighter and better road holding Visa GTI.... just ugly as sin 😂 My own car was a Y reg Mk1 MG Turbo, back in the days they where just cars and we thrashed them soundly like they deserved!

[@Moncho68]

Amazing (SUSCRIBED)...Greetings from Barcelona SPAIN

[@UPnDOWN]

Thanks and welcome

[@Golo1949]

I had the 18L, its a great little car, very practical.

[@tomwinch9107]

I'm surprised that you don't have a use for the dyno, given your TVR interests ... Great video, happy to see you with Hubnut earlier - both good videos, but your humour came across more in this video

[@UPnDOWN]

TVRs are terrible on dynos. They often don't get near their quoted power figures!

[@1Haloninja]

Yes! Please show me the AX!

[@RN_SX]

about 30 seconds into the video and already subscribed 🤣 bloody funny already

[@UPnDOWN]

Very kind, thanks!

[@SGRILLIES]

I worked for citroen when mk 1 was launched and was still there after mk 2 was made and ended up owning a 2.0 hdi exclusive we sold loads of them they was incredibly cheap for what u got for your money. I never once heard a customer regret buying theirs they was incredibly reliable minor stuff but not one engine or gearbox failure one thing I would say they made 2 different powered 2.0 hdi in same model I can't remember exact amount but one was over 100bhp if i remember rightly around 110 to 115bhp the other around 90+(mine was the lower powered version) so depending which one u have its either lost a tiny amount or gained slightly, however amazing result either way for a car of those miles it doesn't really surprise me as they was great cars (ok maybe a bit, 500000 is a hell of a lot), the car that really changed citreon to what they are today I loved mine lovely to drive massive inside cheap to run I still miss it to be honest according to last MOT it was also still on the road up to 2022

[@micrashed]

YES! That remapped Picasso was bloody brilliant (until I buggered the gearbox) It surprised more than one "fast" car in the traffic light grand prix, leaving them in a cloud of black smoke! #PassThePicasso deserves to be mapped.

[@nigelmchugh5541]

After scrapping an 08 Avensis due to chronic rust, and currently sorting my wifes 08 X-Trail's rusty rear subframe and suspension arms, I was amazed to see not one spec of rust on my own 08 C4 Grand Picasso. Japanese quality dosen't extend to rust proofing!

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Another great and informative Rich, remember owning two diesel Skoda's that surprised, first my Fabia VRS which book figure was 130bhp, totally standard before produced 152.7bhp, another Skoda diesel a lowly 1.4 tdi with a book figure of 80bhp produced 90bhp. A mini 1.4 which had the PSA Prince engine produced slightly over book figures. Would love to take my Cactus on the rollers to see what it produces as its meant to be 82bhp but i am fairly certain its a lowly 75bhp thats been mislabled by the selling dealer in 2016 as it feels totally gutless compared to my other car a 1.0 Fabia MPi.

[@harrylee833]

that prince engine was a co-development between bmw and psa, they are awful… all the bits that bmw designed tend to go wrong hideously

[@peteredwards7872]

Just brilliant 👏👍

[@mickles1975]

I'm leaving a comment because I want to see that. If anyone doesn't love an AX they're wrong.

[@riejurv50]

To me... the 2.0hdi is the best diesel engine ever. I have never owned one, but have worked with them in citroen and volkswagen dealers i've been in, and have seen a few PSA 2.0hdi over 1.000.000 km on them and still running strong. Mostly on early Picasso models as well or Xsara break.

[@yasser9350]

You are tripping my friend 😂 good thing that you mentionned you never owned one They are a real piece of 💩 dont be fooled by the milage this one is a unicorne they break all time and are known to overheat Peugeot never made a reliable engin within theire +100 years in the business they are more on the innovation side but reliability is not a french thing

[@jwsoaresjones1560]

Much enjoyed from The Huguenot Other Oxford (Massachusetts)

[@jjcale1976]

For a 2.0 HDI Citroen engine, a mileage of 508,000 miles is half of his life 💪In countries with high culture, such as Germany or Belgium, cars are operated in a different way. On that market, cars have high mileage. In the UK, no one cares about the car, incorrect engine maintenance and rare oil changes kill these engines

[@volt8684]

Plenty in scrapyards at much less

[@UPnDOWN]

Accurate, sadly.

[@wanderingorganist]

The final look, away from camera, is masterly. Thank you for entertainment. (BTW, how wd you test an automatic on the dynothing? No neutral, or clutch?)

[@UPnDOWN]

I'm clearly wasting my time as a mechanic. I should be an hacktor.

[@Grimwriggler]

This is so interesting, my neighbour goes to Murcia to madrid and murcia to Pamplona twice a month in a 2005 Seat Leon 1,9 tdi 130bph which is now on 650k km , he recently put it on the dyno and it is consistantly reading 141 hp at the wheels. he is concinved the machine was set up wrong, as the car is stock, but this is proof high milage engines driven correctly can have less friction.

[@UPnDOWN]

It's quite possible it's legit.

[@eugeneoreilly9356]

Have a seat 1.9 TDI with 300,000 miles.Engine is PD.Only problem engine wise was replaced camshaft at 260,000 due to failed hydraulic valve lifter which destroyed cam lobe.Good engine which is more than can be said about the rest of the car.

[@johncallaghan4616]

Want to see the AX GT, and many many others - pls don’t sell the rolling road 😞

[@UPnDOWN]

Just dead money sitting in the ground at a time where things are getting tougher and tougher.

[@johncallaghan4616]

@upmdown - me know, but you create a whole load of new content as a result 🤔

[@GoldenCroc]

*Insert old story of how old 1980s BMW F1 turbo engines supposedly used old second hand engine blocks sitting outside and the factory workers used to go and literally piss on them on their break time, before the blocks being selected for being built to be an f1 engine.* Dont know if I ever believed that story, but it seems a bit relevant in this context.

[@UPnDOWN]

Apparently it's true.

[@joaoserraoliveira3767]

Show us the AX, come on!

[@trevormilne3200]

My daughter has my old Peugeot 308 hdi, it recently reached 200k miles. As a result of regular oil changes and good maintenance it’s remarkable original. The original turbo was replaced as a precaution at 178k miles along with a chemical clean of the DPF. The car pulls better now than ever, I did suspect the replacement turbo was better than the original as it wasn’t a cheap one. The DV6 engine has its critics, but I suspect from people that scrimp on cheap oil and long intervals. I always use the low SAPS full synthetic and change at 5k intervals. Power aside, I doubt it will ever get on a dyno, but what is certain is the economy, I recently ran the daughter to East Midlands airport, all M1 and a steady nighttime run, it returned 94mpg - two passengers and luggage.

[@SamHocking]

Peugeot goes forever. I bought a 407 Coupe I though had done 100k turned out it had been clocked and had 250k in the clock. Still going strong for £500 2 years later.haha

[@leenevin8451]

94mpg?

[@richardhunt809]

Looking forward to the rolling road video. I don’t know much about all that.

[@Parknest]

Richard, this is an interesting insight into power and torque losses with high mileage diesels. I suspect that both my Volvo XC90 and Mercedes C200 will still make close to book power. They're both diesel powered, are well maintained and have high mileages (if you put them both together it is still less than the Picasso) so I wouldn't expect much of a loss on a dyno. I used to own a Xsara Picasso myself and the sills are made of tinfoil but I suspect that you already knew this.

[@michelvondenhoff9673]

Drove a 1.8 petrol as a loaner and I liked it 😊

[@mikeweston4061]

Looking forward to your new joint channel ...Hubup n Downnuts 🙂

[@UPnDOWN]

UpNut

[@djmusk6015]

I always love a well maintained high mile car over a low mile car any day.

[@mosezkhan2570]

Subscribed

[@xXturbo86Xx]

Looking after the car doesn't mean only to change oil often but also to drive sensibly. I say this because some people think that shifting gears at 5000rpm is OK because they change oil every 2000 miles. Another important factor, which most overlook, is the cooling system. I know people who spend a ton of money on expensive oil and frequent oil changes, but never flush their coolant or clean their rad. Running cool is important.

[@sigmamale4147]

What is the issue with shifting at 5000 rpm ?

[@martinhudson2552]

Great video. One of my cars is a Xsara Picasso 2.0 hdi. It seems to drive better now than six years ago when i bought it. The engine runs more free somehow.

[@UPnDOWN]

It probably does!

[@martinhudson2552]

@@UPnDOWN I wouldn’t have believed it but my mate now retired used to run a car repair and classic car restoration business. He ran loads of 2.0 hdi Xsara Picassos. He swears by the 2.0 hdi engine. Mine should last a long time as I drive it with care. Lovely gearbox as well. Just a little excessive play in the selector but it’s always been like that. It will take me a few years to reach 500k miles. Like your car mine is maintained to a high standard as I am ocd with that 🤣🤣

[@themilktrayman7369]

Had my 56 Reg 1.6HDI 16V Berlingo Van from brand new, had it mapped to 120 bhp from new and it still pulls like a train. The EGR is electrical and all I did was disconnect it she never smoked and still doesn't, never been any trouble ever. 119,000 miles

[@claras_balls]

Not bad I’ve been following the car on twitter, I’ve always wanted to dyno my K10 just out of curiosity

[@CuriousGamer022]

Definitely keep this on the road and fully maintained,i reckon it could easily do another 500k

[@Clodhopping]

These MK1 Xsara Picassos (black bumpers) are as tough as old boots 💪 I bought my 2001 1.6 8v petrol in 2019 and it's now on 113k having done 50k with me. It's had a new cambelt and waterpump plus various annual service items but it just keeps rolling. And it's 100% rust free. It's moved sofas, beds and done countless tip runs with the rear seats removed, plus trips to Cornwall and IOW 4-up with luggage. The huge panoramic sunroof is great in the summer and great for carrying ladders sticking out the top. Granted it's funny looking and only worth pennies. But it's still ULEZ compliant so I'll hang onto it for a bit longer. 😂

[@UPnDOWN]

The venerable TU5 engine! Couldn't pull the skin off cold custard, but it will keep going and going, and they're easy to fix if they do go wrong.

[@mickeyneo4228]

mk2 can have black bumper too ;)

[@Randomii666]

I had a 2.0 petrol MK1 facelift and it was probably the best car i've ever owned. Ran well, was very comfortable to drive long distances in and completely rust free. Not a single rust spot in the whole car, even though it had been pretty rough conditions for the most of it's life. It's incredible how much stuff you can fit in still a relatively small car, and it was a great for towing a trailer as well. Then unfortunately it got t-boned and written off

[@jorgefernandez-mv8hu]

You hit the nail on the head. Service your car and take care of it and it will take care of you.

[@hedydd2]

Injectors will have worn a bit and may allow more fuel into the cylinders than when new. I find that almost all diesels improve in performance significantly over the first 15,000 miles and then very slowly level off in performance and optimal fuel economy for at least the first 100,000 miles and, with luck and good maintenance, possibly 200,000+

[@alastairwilson457]

I need a Picasso back in my life. I've had 2...3 if you include C4 picasso too. I try to influence others to buy them whilst they still can (cough, son with young family)

[@HowardLeVert]

I am now even more curious to know what figures my 331,000 mile BMW 530i could achieve. Incidentally, why do people always seem to think that only diesels do high mileages? They look utterly incredulous when I say "no, it's petrol"... loved the Hubnut collaboration earlier too 😄

[@GoldenCroc]

Old myth that wont go away, like many others.

[@gs188]

Probably because earlier diesels had the reputation that they were only bought by people who paid the extra for them to gain the extra economy which would pay for itself over the starship mileages they intended to do, which the engine would then achieve as they serviced it accordingly. In contrast a lot of small petrol engine shopping cars (or bigger cars with bad owners of which there were many) don’t do high miles and don’t get serviced so die with a low top score. The reality is it just depends how you look after it - many petrols do lunar miles and plenty of diesels explode through neglect - modern engines of either fuel seem to shit themselves pretty quickly if the exact conditions and lubricants they were carefully designed for are not to spec.

[@khalidacosta7133]

Petrol is a solvent. Diesel is an oil. So when you get a bit of petrol in the engine oil (especially stop/start driving style), it reduces lubricating properties of oil. Add in needing an ignition system plus all the various intake / exhaust valve things like VTEC / VANOS which adds complexity, so petrol engines, generally, don't last as long as diesels. Especially when people who tend to drive on motorways (which is often least stress on engine) buy diesel. Not to say you can't get mega miles though if driven and looked after right though but often damage is done early on, if second / third buyer does buy a petrol car for long distance.

[@russellpengilley5924]

Assume it's an E39? 331,000 miles at 30 miles per UK gallon (petrol V6) is ~11,000 gallons of petrol. At 4.546 litres per UK gallon that is 50,000 litres. Average UK petrol price is maybe £1 per litre over the last 20 years, that's £50k of petrol! The British taxpayer thanks you as approximately 2/3rds of that was tax! Though a diesel would have only been ~£10k less in fuel (~40mpg, but slightly higher price per litre) and I am sure you and the other owners enjoyed the engine.

[@GoldenCroc]

@@khalidacosta7133 You are not technically wrong in most of what you wrote. There are a few caveats though and they mostly pertain to the fact that for modern ICE cars, all of the issues described above are as close to insignificant in comparison to other stuff affecting the general motorist, as to be almost irrelevant. Which is why the mentioned confusion over a petrol running those miles, doesnt make sense. By far the number one thing killing cars, with engine included, in the UK is them being uneconomical to repair, not strictly engine related. You effectively can not kill a modern engine by putting "stress" found on any public roads on it. Also, diesels have the dreaded DPF which has sent many low value cars to the scrapper so far, etc etc. To summary, taken over the whole fleet of UK cars, one cant draw any kind of conclusions to which will last longest, and If anything there are a lot of factors that point to that petrols of the vintage 2005-2015 will outlive the diesels statistically, simply because of DPF issues as well as ULEZ. Anyway, all modern engines that doesnt suffer from a grave neglect or catastrophic design flaws can easily do 500k miles, be they diesel or petrol. And more than that as well. Every single one. This is where the people confused as to how a petrol can do 330k miles, mentioned above, go wrong.

[@happysporran]

Genuinely fascinating...impressive figures

[@cromulence]

Stumbled upon this and found the UK version of Aging Wheels. Superb.

[@iamthefatstig]

We have a test truck at work (DAF CF) with over 1.7 million Km on it. Still drives lovely, although being a durability hack for trailer testing its looking a little worse for wear. However, the engine, manual gearbox and drive line are still spot on. And it can still get a full shift done, unlike modern electric crap.

[@dortkommendieclowns1474]

AX GT ❤ yes please 💪🏼 The Berlingo needs a remap 🔧

[@joeb7168]

I had a bew tdi Jetta with 510,000 kms. Original turbo and clutch did a egr delete thing pulled pretty hard and got better mileage. I was sure it had little to no power loss. I miss the ole tdi

[@SteveDull]

Go on - you know you want to. And holes in the sills equals added lightness!! 😉

[@ArtRiku]

I didn't know I wanted to see a Picasso remap so bad.

[@grossteilfahrer]

You've drove it nicely for along time - probably your wastegate is gummed up so you get a bit more turbo boost. If you push max for a few minutes with a closed wastegate, the pressure sensor will botoom out, and after a while set a limp mode and fault code (overboost). Happened on the 2.8 HDi boxer i drove as taxi after a few years. It would do 170 but normally it just did 120kph motorway with lufthansa personnel back and forth to the airport several times a day. at 920000 km it threw a rod through the block on acceleration with 8 pilots & stewardesses in it.

[@damiank9443]

2.0 90 is as simple as it could be so no extravagance like turbo pressure sensor.

[@BaguetteBeardBass]

I had a 2001 Saxo VTR that had done 170k ish by the time I killed the gearbox for the 3rd time. Anyway, it most definitely felt faster than the book figure. Never got around to getting it dynod unfortunately.

[@UPnDOWN]

Every Saxo I've dyno'd has kicked out more than claimed.

[@ilovesheryterry]

Was it a sensodrive???

[@ebutuoyYT]

There is often a fair bit of variance between engines coming from their factories. I always assumed that the published figures were usually the lower end of what the manufacturer would expect a functional engine to produce. I remember watching a program about bike racing, where the engines parts had to be stock, but allowed the builder to select the individual components, with the best tolerances from the production line, essentially given them a blueprinted motor.

[@GoldenCroc]

Is there really a fair bit of variance? Depends on what you mean by "fair", I suppose but as far as I know its in the low single digit percentage in modern engines. If you are getting at something like the difference between these numbers and Bellas number being due to factory variance, that is absolutely out of the question as far as I know. How the published figures represents the average engine output have varied over the years, and between different manufacturers, and even within their own model range. And thats before the marketers get to the numbers, which have the final say in whats to be printed in the spec sheet. In short, when it comes to the figures that are published, there is nothing general one can say at all thats applicable in all circumstances.

[@UPnDOWN]

Varies from maker to maker. Some are optimistic (Alfa Romeo, Ford), some are realistic (BMW, Volvo, VW, Vauxhall), some are conservative (Peugeot, Citroen) and some are outright bullshit (TVR).

[@WilliamStevens007]

I would love to have my 20 year old Stilo Multiwagon Jtd on a rolling road, Its only done 148,000 miles on it but I think its up around where it should be of 115bhp by the way it pulls. Great video though.

[@leonm6969]

Nice to see, I had a Citroen xsara 1.6 and it drove and felt great, reved freely and factory made like 110hp, unfortunately after taking it to the dealer to get the cylinders rebored they fucked the car up really badly, now power is probably around 90-85..

[@UPnDOWN]

Why get it rebored if it was driving great though?

[@leonm6969]

@@UPnDOWN well since my parents were living abroad at the time the car was used on and off for about 6 years with minimal service aside from oil changes done to it, and one time my father decided to take it to the dealer just to see what it needed. He was expecting things like brakes, Freon nothing major but the dealership came up with a 1500 euro list (about 1300 pounds), and unfortunately my dad being scared that if he didn’t do the repairs the car would leave us stranded went forward with everything, biggest regret he’s ever had, not only were the repairs done poorly but the rebore had failed and the car just never drove the same

[@DomRivers67]

Just had my 2010 407 2.2 HDi Sport dyno remapped, it has 105000 miles, serviced annually with MOT...without fail.... Supposed to make 170ho din, was making 174 after drivetrain losses with 395nm of torque (supposed to be 370)...mapped to 204hp with a bulging 426nm at 1400rpm....I did it to help with mpg...which is a mere 33mpg overall...and it hasn't changed unfortunately

[@UPnDOWN]

The 2.2 was never very frugal, sadly.

[@wurlyone4685]

Good result, this. The core engine is bullet proof of course, but I'd expect it to be down, due to carbon build up in the intake system/injectors worn etc. after all that time. Do you know if this has ever had those stripped/cleaned/decarbonised or injectors cleaned/changed?

[@UPnDOWN]

I don't. I suspect it's done a lot of motorway running and been looked after, and it just hasn't fouled up much. May have also have that foam stuff pumped through it (forget what it's called)

[@martinhudson2552]

I run forte and redex through the fuel system on mine regularly and also let it rev a bit through the gears. Still runs sweet currently at 152,000 miles.

[@TazTweetin]

I’m amazed.

[@adamoneale4396]

"People watching KZbin generally have a short attention span" (me blowing vape rings) "huh?"

[@LukeLappage95]

Agree with that. Had two 2.2 toyota camrys years ago. A super tidy one with low kms and one that was a tyre companys hack with nearly double the kms. The higher km camry would scream its head of and light up the front tyres. The low km car was slow as.

[@GoldenCroc]

Well the low km car was broken/out of spec in some way. Like for like (both un-broken) its impossibe to feel any difference because of "wearing in", if anyone thinking so (Not saying you are).

[@celtoroma4013]

I still see so many of these on the road.

[@Getbent-e6t]

My Mercedes benz viano 2010 has 371 k on it and it looks like it inside because she is a family work horse. I've had a citron xsara before and I love it.

[@UPnDOWN]

What I can't get over is how this car DOESN'T look like it's done half a million miles inside. It even smells fresh!

[@7taggart]

Go on, you know you want to!

[@Tokaisho1]

I remember when this car first came on the market in 2006 and the advertisements on TV showed robots manufacturing them and then laser etching the "Picasso" logo into the side

[@UPnDOWN]

It was a bit later than 2006! More like 2000...

[@Tagora2664]

My MG ZT-T CDTi has 232k on the clock, and goes like a train! Never had it on the rollers and probably never will but it must be doing book figures at least. But not at the moment, it's a little broken. 😕

[@EddInLancs01]

Goes like a train? You mean it noisily accelerates slowly whilst belching out black smoke?

[@UPnDOWN]

I had a ZT-T on there years ago, think it was a diesel. Did OK if I remember right.

[@lukecowell1854]

Trains are pretty slow

[@501isa]

given what i can remember about them engines you should be able to get 110-120HP the fuelling system should be able to put up enough and the turbo should do 140 if you give it hell all the way to redline if you consider turbos expendable.

[@UPnDOWN]

Only if it has an intercooler.

[@DjNikGnashers]

I saw this on another video, about 'festival of the unacceptable', amazing it has done over 500k.

[@UPnDOWN]

Really, it's pretty exceptional.

[@PaulNurse1]

Lmao at the Ronnie Pickering ref 😂😂😂

[@smcc839]

I got my pd105 dyno'd at 240km was 109bhp & 239nm, got a remap & then it was 152bhp & 350nm now has 345km.

[@CathodeRayNipplez]

I regularly see commercial cars with over a million kilometers and nobody cares yet when an private car gets halfway there people get excited. We're a funny lot.

[@UPnDOWN]

Commerical stuff is a bit heavier duty, to be fair. The Picasso is but a humble cheap car, plus the fact it's French makes it all the better (because simpletons knock French cars)

[@StupidBlokeStupidVideos]

10:15. I’m glad to hear someone else say it, but this is something I’ve been preaching for years.

[@sahhull]

Ive got a 2003 1.7 Di Vauxhall Combo van with 470,000 miles under its tyres. Original engine and gearbox.

[@UPnDOWN]

Nice!

[@TheJademan85]

was thinkin' that 87, 88 horsies. i's glad.

[@JimF500]

Rich, you've got a mean streak,all good fun though 😂.

[@jreg2007]

ive just passed 192k in my Citroën berlingo 1.6hdi. had it mapped to 120 hp its a flying box now

[@robertmarsh3588]

Time for Ian to get Bella properly sorted out!! We can then all watch the videos on the process and also the before and after...

[@bondbug73]

You're doing a marvelous job on Pasta. I stopped the video at 6:15. 🤔 I'm going for 77bhp.....press ▶️

[@bondbug73]

Incredible!

[@UPnDOWN]

It's a trooper!

[@harrylee833]

i’d love to see what mine would make… she’s a 2.0 HDi, remapped with 194k on the clock

[@flowsetter]

I'm surprised you want to dispose of the dyno, you've had a lot of entertainment from it over the years: even if it isn't strictly necessary for your business.

[@UPnDOWN]

Dead money sitting in the ground, though.

[@K42013]

I have a 306 Hatchback, DW10TD, same engine.450000 km on it to. As a (french) mecanics, I want to explain : if you already shut off the EGR, the main issue with this engine on long run is oil vapor deposit on intake valve, and that's not a big deal, because all diesel engine have it. As long as it have oil,new filter and timing belt on times, and you let it gently get to it's working temp, nothing will happen on it. DW10TD is A ROCK.

[@tristanginod9238]

As a French, I owned this car in its 110hp petrol version and I can say it's the best car I ever had 🇫🇷

[@lukeraymond9339]

My dad had a citroen picasso '04 plate with 271,000 miles on the clock roughly, we had it for 7 years nearly after it had been used daily as a builders van, taxi, daily driver, only got scrapped as there was so much wrong with the engine that it was not worth fixing.

[@szilardretkes2703]

There is a lot you can do with these Hdi engines, I've built a Xantia 2.0 Hdi that eats bmws and mercedes for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Gone from 109 hp to 160hp and 400nm torque, and it could do a lot more but the chassis is not enough for that, but it's already an absolute blast to drive it in it's current state.