How much protein per meal

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[@SuperJinong]

I appreciate they addressed the first vid about protein. Real humble.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks for your comment.

[@jean-rochdelariviere8125]

@@TalkingWithDocs Hi, some people says that we can use more than only 25 grams of protein per meal, indeed I only take 4 meal per day wich means I can only get to 100 grams of protein per day (I need approximately 130). What to do then? Eat a beat more protein on every meal (30-35) or will it be completely useless?

[@NickismyNickname]

​@@jean-rochdelariviere8125there is conflicting evidence on how much protein you should eat in a single serving. Jeff nippard has a great video on the topic but as a short summary up to 50g per serving seems optimal but meeting your overall protein goal is still more important even if you only maange to do it with 2 meals.

[@michaelfera5515]

@@jean-rochdelariviere8125 Keep eating 40g per meal. These guys keep saying dumb stuff. Maybe because their skin is so thin that it leaks protein.

[@ninjycoon]

They're right that you don't need to be a body builder to know about the science, and they also misrepresented the study. It says that the default suggestion is ~20. The conclusion of the study was that it is unknown what the upper limit is and requires further research. Unfortunately, these guys have conflicting data. Not a source I would trust. Especially with the very passive aggressive attitude they give off. I'm sure they mean well but they need to check their ego.

[@LoganBrake]

The fact these are certified doctors that said you can only digest 25g of protein a meal is wild

[@ChrisFood]

And what certifications do you have to make your point?

[@seal3427]

​@@ChrisFoodThe fact they used that study as a conclusion is laughable. They probably just read half the conclusion. The study has servaral flaws and most of them are acknowledged in the conclusion, it basically says that that study doesn't prove or confirm what the limit of protein intake is. @venkatvallabhaneni1227 (the top comment) explains all the flaws with study perfectly. Read his comment and you will realize how misinformed these guys are.

[@LoganBrake]

@@seal3427 I was gonna reply with something similar but you probably worded it better😂. Thanks man

[@enricopravato6677]

in particular because another commenter pointed out that in that study it never said that that's the most, it's what's usually indicated as the most, but there are no proofs of this and it clearly states in the study that you can probably use way more than that and more research is needed

[@lyzo111]

Your body can absorb 100% of the protein you intake. However, only roughly 20-30g can be used at a time to build muscle. That's what many people get wrong

[@venkatvallabhaneni1227]

If the article in the Journal of the Society of International Sports Nutrition refers to the Aragon and Schoenfeld review, it does not suggest that the upper limit of protein is 20-25 grams like you guys claim. It says that is an upper limit that is commonly proposed. The review aims to look at the research on the topic to determine if this is a valid proposal or if the upper limit is higher. What actually suggest is 0.4 to 0.55 grams of protein per kg per meal assuming that someone eats 4 meals a day. Furthermore, they address the limitations of the research that suggests that the upper limit is 20-25 grams of protein per meal. Since the protein was fast acting and in absence of other macronutrients, this may have affected how well the amino acids were able to be utilized(this is somewhat speculative). Also, the study used far less protein that what is required to maximize muscle growth. Finally, they said that there must be more research to determine the upper limit. And due to the various variables at play, it is a difficult topic to investigate. So yes, if you read the first two sentences of the abstract and ignore the rest of the review, it does suggest 20-25 g as an upper limit. But the actual conclusion is not as concrete and is much more nuanced. You guys are great surgeons, I'm sure. But next time when you make videos about sports science or nutrition, please research more. Being an expert surgeon does not make you an expert on another field. Yes, I probably am just an overreacting gymbro and I don't have nearly as much formal education as you guys. But I don't like to see people with credentials and knowledge misrepresent the literature like this because I know the average KZbin audience member will take what you say as authoritative since you are a doctor and not look further into it for themselves.

[@WolfMcWolferson]

Very well said and agreed. I find it interesting they replied to all the comments complimenting them, but not yours.

[@steffenblok1529]

100 agree

[@AlexMartinez-oi2mv]

Man your so right I agree with you100 percent

[@turntablesrockmyworld9315]

@@WolfMcWolferson I've watched a few of their videos, I have a background in biochemistry and nutrition science and they are constantly overstepping their knowledge.

[@patryk_004]

I mean, there are some huge athleets and trainers who lately have beeen even getting into IF and eat only one huge meal a day, and still grow huge muscles. I mean, as far as I know, proteins can be utilised long after the meal. Min Maxing the optimal protein intake, their release time depending on type etc - For most people it will do almost nothing. Only most comeptitive aesthetic athleets doing body building, maybe trying to get 5% BF have real use of that.

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks for sharing that! Means a lot to us.

[@jonathanholmquist7176]

Bruh, I love that you re adressed this. And no, it's not only bodybuilders here, I'm for example are a physiotherapist. If you are going to quote a study, please read it don't just look at the abstract. There's a great comment here that's almost a PM discussing why you are wrong.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

It's comical for sure.

[@RicoRodriguez28]

@@TalkingWithDocsyea it’s definitely comical that you guys got corrected and don’t want to admit it 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@lisabenjamin2044]

Yes, recent studies have shown that you can eat as much protein as you want to sitting. It completely depends on your digestion and how much you can eat.

[@legrandduca687]

I commented the previous video, it's good to see you guys actually corrected yourself ! It shows you're honest and actually research your topics when people doubt

[@michaelkaruza490]

They're still wrong. That study doesn't say what they claimed it said

[@reelproblems9819]

Because they were getting hammered in the comments. I used that video in a paper on why doctors can't be trusted simply for being doctors.

[@josysteinbach4097]

Brillant Channel and great video content thank you for taking the time 😊Merci

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[@slee4010]

Good advice all the time, like you both, keep up the great work 🎉🎉🎉

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thank you! Will do!

[@violett874]

It's so annoying that hate and aggressive comments are always more prominent on smaller channels. Please don't be discouraged by these losers, you guys are putting out great content. Some people just love the power they feel by being pendantic contrarians especially towards experts.

[@eliasliljekvist8608]

Thank you for the follow up. You guys are real ones!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Doing our best. And certainly don't claim to know everything about everything. Just trying to educate!

[@user-jw6dq6cg8t]

Thank you for taking the time to check. I heard that once before, but forgotten about. Don’t want protein go to waste.

[@jimg6970]

Check out videos with Donald Layman. He’s a Doctor who has been studying this for 40 years. He says 30g should be minimum for muscle protein synthesis and as high as 50-55. Even if you eat more it just gets used for other things besides muscle protein synthesis. Hair, nails, etc

[@TalkingWithDocs]

And converted to fat for energy later.

[@nevertoofast2]

@@TalkingWithDocsAbsolute BS. Did you actually read the article you’re quoting? Stick to what you know.

[@Knights0fBlood]

there is actual paper from Schoenfeld and Aragon in 2018 on people who lift and workout more than the average joe, the formula that they created is roughly - 0.55g of protein per kg of bodyweight per meal, is the MAX For example: a 200lb male is about 90kg 90/2 is 45 the rough maximum a person could eat and utilize 100% of that protein synthesis, again this is an estimation.

[@suecooper4655]

You guys are great. You make me laugh.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !!

[@MrEverisforever]

I am a bodybuilder and coach of 17 years and I'm pretty jacked, 18 inch arms and I bench 180kg. 1) You guys were correct the first time. Studies show that 1.7 grams per lean KG is enough for anyone to build muscle 2) The amount of protein utilised for growth starts at 20 grams and increases up to 50 grams depending on the size of the individual. So you kinda got this wrong now too. 3) You're allowed to give exercise and health advice as medical professional even if you aren't jacked. 4) DR Mike Isratel makes a fantastic video on why you probably shouldn't just listen to the meat head in the gym. 5) Conclusion, just be confident and don't listen to random idiots in the comments, even if you were correct which you were they would have given you shit because you aren't jacked. I feel like this is an over correction, 2.2 grams per KG is ridiculous, 1.7 was perfect. This is coming from a dude who has added 35kg of muscle.

[@exebba7523]

@TalkingWithDocs The article literally says that other macros are absent. Obviously, if you consume only protein, your body isn't inclined to use all of it for Hypertrophy. It's always a balancing act between stressors vs recovery. If your body has incurred a lot of damage, it is more inclined to use the protein for repairs rather than energy, especially so IF THE OTHER MACROS ARENT ABSENT. It's the same reason why you're more inclined to build muscle if you have more body fat.

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Hello there! Yeah it sure was

[@a.brucemcdonald9038]

Thanks for the update! Appreciated 😊.

[@theoriginalbreadcrumb]

Muscle protein synthesis usually last up to 36-48 hours. So the most important factor in protein consumption will always be how much you eat in that time in total and not how much you eat per meal. There is maybe a small benefit to space out your meals to maximize the effect but it's not an end all be all factum.

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Good stuff

[@epicerne1000]

Please don't listen to them. Please read the article they mentioned. These guys overstep their boundaries of knowledge. They read the first 2 lines of the abstract of this article they are quoting and decided that's enough knowledge for them to propagate misinformation on KZbin shorts. They cherry picked this study to tell you this when many other studies have been done concluding something different. Even their own study if they had read it properly concludes that more research needs to be done (which it has been) as this 20g per meal is not a concrete conclusion in addition to the fact that this study did not take into fact heavy resistance training which increases the speed of protein absorption

[@Knights0fBlood]

In case you were actually wanting to learn something. there is an actual paper from Schoenfeld and Aragon in 2018 on people who lift and workout more than the average joe, the formula that they created is roughly - 0.55g of protein per kg of bodyweight per meal, is the MAX For example: a 200lb male is about 90kg 90/2 is 45 the rough maximum a person could eat and utilize 100% of that protein synthesis, again this is an estimation.

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[@lucadellasciucca967]

Not so great on nutrition..

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[@miepic3291]

studies that talk about a "maximum" protein limit per meal used fast digesting proteins and also in isolation, with the addition of both fat and carbs, and micronutrients like fiber the speed of the foods through the digestive tract would be significantly slowed and would thus allow a person to absorb much more protein per meal than 25 grams. Nobody is out here eating protein powder for every meal. The real takeaway is to eat a lot of protein and you will most likely get enough absorbed to build muscle regardless of meal frequency and size. The most likely reason you arent gaining mass is 1. you aren't eating enough. 2. you arent eating enough. 3. you arent sleeping enough. 4. you arent training to failure

[@cgarett1071]

Indeed

[@acey6991]

It's usually 30-40g of protein for good protein muscle synthesis

[@lionelgrisbane-ud87]

I have a 100 grams of protein at every meal. I mix 2-4 scoops of unflavored protein with water. I eat 400g of protein per day. Too much?

[@ancientsade359]

​@@lionelgrisbane-ud87way too much you should eat as they said .8 to 1 gram per pound to gain muscle

[@HPgraffitiUL]

protein in super high doses are bad for you bro, 2 grams per kg any more is useless and bad@@lionelgrisbane-ud87

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[@claleh5941]

Thanks for clearing this up!

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[@arthurtyeb8043]

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[@YG-kk4ey]

Mad respect for you guys re-addressing this topic after all that. I was a bit vocal myself so appreciate it. Take it as a compliment how in high esteem people hold you guys to.

[@OmegaThirty]

Spoiler alert, they got it wrong again.

[@chan830]

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[@martyclyde]

Love that you came back with this

[@TalkingWithDocs]

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[@lovebythemoon5230]

I have no idea what I’m doing as 55 yr old female so I personally appreciate the information for the average Joe and Joan . 😊

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Our pleasure!

[@td1253]

Find a credible routine that fits your goals, eat at least .8-1 g protein per lb, be consistent in your routine, also I’d recommend creatine, omega oils and multivitamin

[@sonnywilson748]

The problem is their advice in their original video is still wrong, they claimed too much meat is bad for you which by all standards medical and not, is just not true.

[@gur262]

Ignore these 2 then. Go back n watch it. Listen carefully. Then read the backepdalling. They tell you more than 100g will damage your organs more likely than not. That's wrong. They speak of allowance not Minimum

[@Knights0fBlood]

They are not exactly correct though, if you do a little bit of research, it depends on your body weight. there is actual paper from Schoenfeld and Aragon in 2018 on people who lift and workout more than the average joe, the formula that they created is roughly - 0.55g of protein per kg of bodyweight per meal, is the MAX For example: a 200lb male is about 90kg 90/2 is 45 the rough maximum a person could eat and utilize 100% of that protein synthesis, again this is an estimation.

[@Ayztee23]

As long as you get your protein target at the end of the day. It doesnt matter when or how much protein you eat per sitting.

[@nickvtguitar546]

I dunno man, 200g of protein in one meal is gonna make you need a sh1t and be kinda pointless.

[@iPhoneneto]

@@nickvtguitar546 one thing that people don't take into account is that, even if you ate 200g of protein in 1 meal, you aren't going to digest all of it within 2-3 hours. It will take MANY hours. Thus giving you a slow and steady amino acid intake anyways so. Just eat lmao

[@nickvtguitar546]

@@iPhoneneto if you're sh1tting it out - as anyone who's done super high protein will know - you're not processing it, cos it's in the toilet.

[@linx5932]

@@nickvtguitar546your not instantly shitting out the meal you just ate bro. The food is still in your stomach and has to digest. All that’s happening is your activating you GI system and the food that’s already processed is being pushed out. Your not literally shitting out what you just put in your mouth.

[@Ayztee23]

@@nickvtguitar546 that will only be the case if you only eat 1 meal a day. as for the rest you could eat those 200g of protein in how many meals you desire so. personally i can only manage to eat 50-70 grams of protein per sitting. have a nice day

[@jessicafranca3833]

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Glad you like them!

[@tynaduckett4223]

You guys are great!! No worries, we are listening. ❤ Fussers not allowed!!! 😂

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Ha! Thanks.

[@cristinamoscarillo7695]

I don’t think you need to apologize! People are obsessed with protein and I’m sick of getting asked where I get my protein as a vegan. Excellent information❤️❤️❤️

[@Itsmekvn]

Lol

[@cristinamoscarillo7695]

@@Itsmekvn let me guess, you're obsessed with protein and building muscle. Lol.!

[@Itsmekvn]

@@cristinamoscarillo7695 hmmm not obsessed with building muscle only. And not obsessed with the macro. I do love protein foods and whey protein lol

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !

[@MikefromtheGym]

This is wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to correct this

[@TalkingWithDocs]

You're very welcome!

[@eliz49]

You guys rock-

[@TalkingWithDocs]

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[@adrianwalker5415]

​@TalkingWithDocs I'm sorry guys but again this is wrong advice. Let's break it down. Yes we have a maximum number of protein our bodies we can assimilate per hour this is true. BUT that doesn't account for rate of digestion. A steak for example say we eat a 12oz ribeye for dinner has around 75-80grams of protein. Your statement is making it seem like we can only assimilate a third of that when in reality that steak will take 8 hours to digest due to it being beef and high fat content. Different proteins breakdown at different rates and adding things like fat and fiber slow it down. The ONLY time that really matter is say you drink a 45gr whey isolate or hydrolyzed whey protein drink chug it on an empty stomach. You will pee out half of it. We can't look at study 1 dimensional there's more to them

[@YG-kk4ey]

​@@adrianwalker5415that may be true. But it was new to me. I've done this many times, coming out of the gym on a mostly empty stomach and drank a 40 g protein shake. And made my daily calculations based on that. Well now we know, might as well just gone for 20 g of protein and the rest carbs

[@adrianwalker5415]

@@YG-kk4ey correct. That situation is really the only time that rule applies. Other meals with other foods added in this rule and capping your protein that meal is unnecessary

[@tszwangchiu9721]

Because of this vid I subscribed. The internet need channel like this.😊

[@GetSh4nkedd]

This particular video is slightly misrepresentative. The study they are referencing used a protein supplement which is fast acting and included no other macronutrients. When you eat a balanced meal you can exceed that amount as it is digested over a longer period of time resulting in similar amino acid levels in the bloodstream as the study, they are just maintained for a longer period of time as a result of having more left to digest. I agree though, I do like the channel, just wish they would have acknowledged the limit in scope that the study they are referencing admits.

[@mushrefnajimyar6049]

Thank you for addressing this! Appreciated.

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Hit by pitch was scary. Hope all is ok.

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[@frontsquatsandfrenchbulldo3020]

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[@ksbola3542]

Positive comment

[@TalkingWithDocs]

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[@TheGosgnach]

Love all of your information!! You guys are great!!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks so much !!

[@isaiaharmendariz2193]

Most of the comments on that video shared the same message and were well articulated, they picked the worst comment to respond to in order to make themselves look better. Guys are slimy

[@pedro426]

Your body can get 20g protein from one sitting but that extra protein doesn’t just disappear, it will digest after the first 20gs are done digesting. 2 licensed doctors should know this.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Yes it is digested slowly as it sits in your gut or is excreted. The 20-25g is for muscle synthesis

[@jennywick4255]

Who cares if they are small. The two doctors are healthy and educated ! So listen to them ❤

[@GoAmeliorateIt]

I care because they spread misinformation.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@GoAmeliorateItLol, as apposed to whichever bro told you otherwise?

[@jalenad11]

​@@GoAmeliorateItYou mean information from peer-studied research done by experts in the field?

[@GoAmeliorateIt]

@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Paul Saladino is no bro. He’s an extremely experienced doctor with many degrees. He only uses evidence based practice when discussing such nuanced topics such as nutrition. You should check him out! He’s helped me transform my body; whilst also making me feel better and getting rid of my eczema and rosacea!

[@GoAmeliorateIt]

@@jalenad11 Yes

[@tyrvinodinson9790]

Appreciate the update, and yes, more meals spread across the day is exactly what should be done for most protein uptake

[@clutchmadness]

... intermittent fasters have entered the chat.

[@wetguavass]

just don't over eat

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Stay tuned …

[@vzonps6117]

Yes this is exactly why I'm here, looking for answers😂😂😂 tag me in the vid on that one docs, please. I'm in a 13 hour minimum and trying to also build muscle mass🥲

[@NataliaRengifoR]

😂👍🏼

[@ofeliahernandez1354]

I love your videos 😊

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !!!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !!

[@darlenericotta]

Thanks Docs! Great video!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Glad you liked it!

[@greybuckleton]

The max of 25g per meal is really interesting. Because the study sure does say that. But then there is the whole fasting crowd, OMAD ect who seem to build mass just fine. So there must be more to it.

[@TheGamerReaper]

Indeed, I've done it for years and intermittent fasting had no problem building muscle and strength. We can look at sumo wrestlers who eat once a day and build incredible muscle. I've read elsewhere that we can only process around 25 grams of protein at a time. Possibly the excess protein is stored and the amino acids break down over the day and protein synthesis occurs over the whole day, but we are limited to X grams per hour, it could explain why athletes and lifters alike all around the world are not getting hurt physically by OMAD or intermittent fasting. Even from a logical point of view it would seem like a super disadvantage trait to have if we go back to hunter/gather time, where you wouldn't have consistent meals or protein intake. If every past 25grams was wasted then it's hard to believe our species made it to it's current stage in civilization. I would love more research on this topic, sorry for the long comment lol

[@TalkingWithDocs]

It's ok there are lots of studies that have reproduced these numbers and the excess sure in the gut and is absorbed slowly or excreted. During recovery they say it can increase to up to 40g. It's interesting for sure

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Sure is. It can be more post exercise as part of recovery but only reported up to about 40g. The rest is absorbed very slowly or excreted

[@greybuckleton]

@@TalkingWithDocs so a big 40g serving after a big round of exercise helps recovery?

[@timavery9530]

​@TalkingWithDocs I think as well that it might depend on how much muscle mass you have: if you have a very high amount of muscle mass you may be able to absorb much more protein per meal than a much smaller person, even if both are training the same. Not 100% sure that's true, but I've heard similar said from experts like Mike Israetel, and it would explain observations/anecdotes of very large athletes.

[@KA-qw5cv]

+ + + + + 😂

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[@rjmaster1091]

I actually love these guys cause. I commented on that last video about how they were wrong about that. And then they made a video addressing it that they were wrong, and they even added that you can only digest 21 to 25 g of protein every meal Which is a fact that not enough people know I personally have friends that drink protein shakes with 45 plus grams of protein in it, and it's just super unnecessary and wasteful

[@rangosantana]

Respect for answering to those comments

[@iAmFriggenBored]

Can’t make a protein video without triggering us at least once 😂

[@cielostack2698]

Love the content. Don’t understand the hate…I lift and run, I do my best to eat enough protein to gain/maintain mass.

[@ktm4042]

Thank you guys, for educating the protein maniacs.

[@StellarArete]

Watched the first video a few minutes ago. Comments were ruthless😂. But good on you guys for addressing it

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Appreciate that. People are crazy for sure.

[@kl3mm3r86]

Breakfast: Eggs with yogurt and milk. Mid morning snack: Protein shake Lunch: Pack of tuna and cheese Afternoon snack: fruit smoothie with yogurt and milk (maybe a little peanut butter) Dinner: boneless chicken, sweet potato, asparagus, water Bedtime: Protein shake/ yogurt 150g protein Feel free to add protein powder to the smoothie along with fiber

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !

[@Shittlebees]

I'm a trainer and I totally knew what you meant when you made that video. Most of the internet comment trainers just don't have a clue, because they learn from people who don't have a clue. Don't take it personally. I like you guys!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Hey thanks so much !!!

[@Knights0fBlood]

the funny part is, you are a trainer but you are wrong you must be a bad trainer if you dont know that. 20-25g of protein per meal is not the maximum there is actual paper from Schoenfeld and Aragon in 2018 on people who lift and workout more than the average joe, the formula that they created is roughly - 0.55g of protein per kg of bodyweight per meal, is the MAX For example: a 200lb male is about 90kg 90/2 is 45 the rough maximum a person could eat and utilize 100% of that protein synthesis, again this is an estimation. breaking the protein into 4-5 meals is accurate though

[@boxersfitness]

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[@nekitalia]

love these videos

[@efficientfuture1336]

Hey docs, exercise scientist here. That's pretty good information. Of course protein uptake ability can vary, albeit slightly, depending on surrounding circumstances. For instance, you can likely absorb more after intense exercise. (Very few people have ever reached this level of intensity.) Funny video.

[@mrstealyourgirl3928]

This is way better video then your first one about protein.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks.

[@bazirancovek]

When I started working out I was eating around 60g of protein, and I was 85kg. I know that newbie gains are a thing but its bs that you NEED 2.5g of protein per kg to build muscle.

[@jonathanwilliams6922]

I can respect that y'all address that

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[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thank you! Will do!

[@joe1071]

Thank you for referencing a study and not really taking a hard line on it. Yes, lots of people will be triggered for sure. The best I can gather is 25g per meal is the average of what people can utilize per meal. I’d guess it varies widely person to person.

[@tecstrengthandnutrition5233]

Respect for clarify 🙌 I would argue though, the average sedentary population may benefit from a higher than minimum amount of protein due to its satiating qualities.

[@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01]

I appreciate you guys making another video about this. I've heard the upper limit for protein intake per meal is ~30g, that's why bodybuilders eat 5-7 meals a day, it also regularly spikes your insulin levels which promotes muscle growth, normally higher insulin levels is bad for sedentary people but for bodybuilders who are getting a regular training stimulus it helps to recover and build muscle

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Hey thanks for sharing that info! Makes sense.

[@PaulFilmer]

The upper limit is far higher if not simply having shakes.

[@sakosako1667]

I’m a bodybuilder. I red that it’s better to eat 3 meals max per day, which means, separate all your daily protein in these 3 meals. And that’s because of insulin spikes. They said you shouldn’t let your insulin spikes like 5 or 6 times per day, because by time and years you may have insulin resistance which may cause diabetes and many other chronic diseases. What do you think about that? Is it still healthy to separate my daily meals into 5 meals despite of my insulin spikes ?

[@soonahero]

@@sakosako1667any bodybuilder would disagree with all of this. Building muscles gobbles up insulin

[@ralphinoful]

Super admirable, dropping the ego, and restating the opinion in better words. I'm not entirely sure about the study on 25g/meal being the upper limits of protein absorption, from what I remember, it's a regularly debated topic in studies. I have (anecdotally) seen people build muscle with 1-2 meals/day.

[@noahfdc4547]

I love this content.

[@sofinunez2009]

This chilled many ppl. I’m glad u addressed it. 👍

[@shimmershine6902]

I’m glad you guys finally stfu and stopped being triggered

[@ThouSunny0]

The amount you can consume in “one sitting” (The 3-4 hours of digestion inbetween meals) is enough time to digest 20-25g of protein. So if you eat 50g of protein none of it will go to waste it will just be slightly less digested but just takes longer.

[@carlh42677]

Now you need to do another video explaing that it's not that you can only take in 25g of protein, it's that a max of 30g (I think) can be used in 1 sitting specifically for muscle protein synthesis. More can be used of course but for other things.

[@irondrini17]

yes yes yes...break down meals for better digestion and faster macros absorption

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks for the info!

[@Squeegee93]

I believe that statistic is about how much protein can be used within a specific timeframe after one meal. Its been widely debunked that if you eat a higher protein meal, your body will only ever use 25g of it. The rest is used throughout the day to help repair and build muscles. Just make sure you're hitting your macro goals. How you break that up to make it manageable for your lifestyle / appetite is up to you

[@cookiemomma123]

Appreciate the info!😊

[@TalkingWithDocs]

You bet!

[@trillmui]

your body can ingest however much protein you take in, it just take much longer (which can be good if you struggle with binge eating or snacking) and you also don’t utilize every little gram. if you were to eat let’s say 80g in one meal, your body would really utilize about 75g

[@nancywalker1280]

Love to listen to you guys.just had my 2nd TKR.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Yay Nancy!!!

[@patrickthomas7084]

25 grams is max amount to effectively stimulate muscle protein syntheses, can still absorb more protein from a meal.. protein is used for so many different things and not just muscle building

[@dmerkling30]

Love this. Think a lot of people are getting it twisted! Do a short, diving into absorption rates of protein types(shake vs solid). This could help dial in consumption timing😯

[@michaelkaruza490]

If that's the article I'm thinking of that only really applies to whey isolate. If you have fat and carbs with it, you can absorb a lot more protein. Also, the general advice for building muscle is 1.6 g/kg. Not 2-2.2

[@user-wv2gp2yn8m]

appreciate the help. just want to be healthy. not lose weight, not bulk up. thank you.

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment !

[@soonahero]

Sounds like you have body image issues

[@JasmialNand]

Small or not you bros need to keep making more of these!!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Ha that's awesome! We will. It will take more than a few gym bros and their hate to stop us 😀

[@kermitface4602]

Really glad you guys made this video! You guys are awsome!

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Our pleasure!

[@bignigincoming8774]

Believe we have reasearch to suggest your body weight is a factor in how much protein your body can put toward muscle protein synthesis in a given timeframe, I.e someone that weight 220 can probably do 50g of protein in 1 meal spread into 3 meals for the day but someone thats 150 should probably stick to something like 35-40. Not to say any protein intake is wasted, just not optimally being utilized for your purpose

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Thanks !

[@EhurtAfy]

Yes body can't store protein so regular feeding is best. I believe muscle protein synthesis is basically over after about 4 hours of eating. But a good idea if you eat slow-digesting food or casein protein it digests slower so muscle has access to protein/amino acids longer

[@nissikola4347]

Thank you guys for the great info broken down in simple terms

[@TalkingWithDocs]

Our pleasure! Just trying to help rather than confuse

[@thereegstah]

I think the mention of protein and your videos about nutrition/supplements got mixed in with the fitness section of shorts, who tend to take macros pretty seriously.

[@ham-bone2082]

While some of these facts may be semi-true, Dietitian Abby Sharp debunked this fact and showed how excess protein is stored in the lower intestine (i think its lower) for 1-3 days after you consume it, so while yes you can only ABSORB 20-30 grams a meal, the excess is stored to be used later