How much RAM do you NEED in 2024? 8GB vs 16GB vs 32GB Benchmarks

[@AncientGameplays]

Did you think 8GB would be performing as they did?

[@falafeladv]

nope

[@samserious1337]

Depends on the m.2 SSD, lets see how 8GB RAM work with a 5200rpm hard drive :D

[@syncmonism]

Having more vram can compensate for having less system RAM. Hardware unboxed did a very interesting video on this topic many years ago now. They tested (if I remember correctly) the 4GB and 8GB versions of the 570 and 580, and also the 3 and 6GB versions of the 1060, in a test system with both 8 and 16GB configurations. Some games which didn't really need more than 4GB of vram for good performance when there was 16GB of system RAM would see performance fall off a cliff when using a system with only 8GB of system RAM, but 6 or 8GB versions of these graphics cards would typically see the performance go back to a good level, even with only 8GB of system RAM. These systems were still using two sticks, with dual channel mode, even in the 8GB configurations (it was DDR4). I don't know what the limitations of this would be, as I am anything but an expert on how a game will make use of system RAM and vram, and some games or game engines may be better than others in terms of how they can make use of more vram in a situtation with not a lot of system RAM.

[@iphonegoes1250]

I dont think so

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

No I do not think so. 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz 16-18-18-18-36cl corsair vengane is used to my 5800X3D but in few games I noticed ram memmory not enough qnd usage was 15gb with all backgrounds when playing and I put in some old almost unused hyperx fury 2666Mhz 15cl and my voltage at 1.38 and Mhz at 3200, works pretty good and stable for mixing ram memmory XD

[@LiteralBeans]

Time to download some ram i guess

[@AncientGameplays]

YEAH haha

[@D2firetech]

Ram page file 🗃️ 😂

[@Wickery.]

Is there a tutorial on that? Please help me

[@D2firetech]

@@Wickery. Search how to increase ram page file, but it just increases the amount of storage used as virtual ram, so unless you have like 4g or 8g of ram you may see a small improvement

[@handlemonium]

You technically can. You just need a AMD Strix Halo APU to do it 😏

[@Hunti1550]

Long story short. If you have 16, no need to panic yet. If you building new, then buy 32. If you have 8, press F

[@christophermullins7163]

F

[@AncientGameplays]

hehe, exactly

[@GLDragon93]

Press F and download more ram

[@adamadamx5464]

F, but buying another 8GB for GTX 1050 4GB + i5 7300HQ laptop is totally idiotic idea.

[@GLDragon93]

@@adamadamx5464 Eh not that diotic if you get it for cheap. Recently got a 2x8gb Kit for my backup rig (i7 3770 and gtx 750ti ) as it was only 12€ to replace the 2x4 kit (only 2 dimm slots)

[@syncmonism]

Given current pricing, there's not much reason to not get 32GB. Even if you're on a tight budget, you can probably manage to have at least 16GB. Upgrading an old DDR4 based system from 8GB to 16GB will likely make a big difference in some games.

[@AncientGameplays]

exactly as stated in the conclusion

[@The_One_Eyed_Rouge]

I had to upgrade to 32gb ddr4 due to FH5 kept giving me memory warnings while i had Firefox KZbin commentaries running

[@exlibrisas]

I wish. In my coutry, 5 year old tech is being sold on the price when they come out. It's hard to find a decent DDR4 kit that costs less than 100€.

[@AttilaTheGreat1]

​@@exlibrisasWhich country is that

[@cmoneytheman]

Ram is only 40 bucks for 16gb used ddr4 i just bought 2 sticks yesterday comes in 4 days

[@Ladioz]

Great video. Surely Ram is more affordable now. Alot of people who look at 16GB VS 32GB, are only paying attention to the frame rate. For me... the entire system feels better with 32GB ram. The fact that I can have chrome with 10 tabs and play my game ... alt tab ... check stuff.. back into game.. and everything feels fine is comforting to me.

[@AncientGameplays]

exactly what I talked about in the conclusion as well

[@fragdq]

How is that even possible? I have 16GB RAM, I can have Firefox open with like 50 tabs and a second Firefox (a fork of it) with like 10 tabs while I have a game running and dont even have 10GB RAM usage. But ok, I dont use Windows tho. But I doubt that Windows is THAT bad in RAM management?

[@Ralipsi]

Same for me! 32 Go RAM is my starting point. My build has 32 Go RAM and i wont go back to 16.

[@olivermensen1290]

I strongly suggest to upgrade to at least 32GB, especially for DDR4. Sold my 16GB kit for 40 Euro and bought brand new 32GB kit for 70 Euro. Dirt cheap!!

[@MrNelahem]

yup nobody should be going with 16GB of ram in 2024. Base is now 32GB, I've been there for 4 years already.

[@BlueberryJamPie]

One thing I noticed going from 2x8 to 2x16 was that things felt way more stable, I've had 1 drive timeout after months, where I would have them almost weekly, even trying all the fixes. Activating SAM really helped as well on stability with more RAM.

[@AncientGameplays]

That's ram instability, nothing to do with capacity. But great 💪

[@laowai2000]

Got to agree, even though don't do anything too intensive feel computer more responsive jumping from 16gb to 32gb.

[@9tailedyokai]

What a coincidence, I ordered 32GB DDR4 Vengance RT kit today, and you drop this video today, and by the looks of it, I made the right decision to upgrade the ram :D

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

have a 2x16 and 2 dummy sticks of vengance pro RGB, 32 is the sweet spot.

[@ysiadpir1423]

Made sure I used 2 sticks of DDR 4 Duel rank about 3 years ago when I upgraded from 3rd Gen i7 to AMD 5800

[@FutureDocta]

Really wanted to see 12 game average with apps open since that was the main reason I upgraded to 32gb. Without apps open the difference between 16gb and 32gb is 2%, but with apps open I would guess for some games it could be more than 10% difference between 32gb and 16gb.

[@AncientGameplays]

the difference would be maybe 7% at most. Didn't put it there are the 8GB stick would have crazy low results

[@zodwraith5745]

I knew exactly what was going to happen even before watching the video. Running out of system memory is far more brutal than the vram boogie man everyone is so scared of. It's possible to overrun 8gb of vram by pushing settings too far, but you're almost certain to overrun 8gb of system memory when you have to account for many game assets that are never put into vram, not to mention the overhead that is your operating system, drivers, and any other resource eating background tasks. (I'm looking at you Chrome, you bloated PoS) When you overrun your vram, you have to fall back on much slower system memory, causing stutters. When you overrun system memory you fall back on _drastically_ slower hard drives, causing straight up pauses in gameplay. Even the latest, most expensive PCIE5 drives are only approaching early low end DDR4 speeds, which is why you do _not_ want to be accessing that hard drive outside of loading screens or at least well before you need to call on those assets in games that stream the loading as you move around the world. If you're still on 8gb in 2024 you _need_ to upgrade to at least 16gb and not just for gaming. I've seen Chrome eat up 20gb of memory on it's own and that's why I don't use Chrome. Even the Brave browser I'm typing this into is using 4.5gb and that's with only 3 tabs open. With how cheap memory is there's just no excuse to still be on 8gb.

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

Don't underestimate the brutality or running out of vram. There are people who actually died from running out of vram (I'm serious). Okay, they only died in Call of Duty... but virtual deaths are still serious because you get "t-bagged" after. 8GB gpu's should be banned worldwide.

[@FoRk-One]

A smaller amount of VRAM (as a comparison) would have been nice. Your video reflects my experience: 16Gb is still fine for budget Systems. Upgrade to 32 if you experience too much stutter while having okayish fps. If you're building a new System go for 32Gb or more - but keep in mind that timings and subtimings matter too. Sometimes it's better to go for faster RAM instead of more...

[@AncientGameplays]

yes, but as shown, the lower the amount of FPS output, the less the ram matters, and the 8GB GPUs aren't really capable of pushing high fps values

[@FoRk-One]

@@AncientGameplays Just for some people who want to see what happens on their system when upgrading just a part etc... You're fast xD - Good work as always!

[@RohanSanjith]

I Just upgraded from 16gb to 32gb ram cause I play beamng with premiere pro running in background! Now it's very capable, from 16gb single channel to dual channel 32gb

[@FoRk-One]

@@RohanSanjith Good choice, dual channel helps with perfomance and the add. 16Gb with less pagefile usage.

[@imo098765]

​@@AncientGameplays and thats the funny part but also kinda works itself out, lower VRAM normally means more RAM is used to hold the data but if you arent running at settings that will push the memory system you wont see the lower VRAM being the issue

[@jamiehav0k62]

8gb is still fine for web browsing. I have an old laptop and the old i5 dual core maxes out at times, but the ram mostly stays under 6 gigs even with an old game, discord, a video stream, and 20 firefox tabs open at the same time, and still stays pretty snappy with a sata ssd.

[@caginbob]

How about comparing 4x8 Gb vs 2 x 16 Gb, any difference?

[@laowai2000]

negligible!

[@skorpers]

Just got home from work and saw this video on my home page and was wondering if it was click bait. Then I saw "Ancient Gameplays" and immediately knew it was a must watch!

[@AncientGameplays]

Never clickbait here, only true and factual results hehe

[@PsychoBenches]

Great to know for Budget gamers that 16GB is still good.

[@ryanpatton1795]

I'd still tell someone building a pc on a budget aim for DDR4 16gb. It'll save you like 40 bucks that can go towards the next tier up on a GPU or maybe CPU. As shown in this video and many others like it, 32 gigs and DDR5 just aren't the upgrades you should go for on a budget build

[@AncientGameplays]

yes, if going ddr4, 16GB would be it (on a tight budget)

[@bricaaron3978]

I haven't built a new system since Feb 2014. A few questions for anyone who has time to answer: 1. Is it true that using more than two sticks of RAM (dual channel) causes problems now? I.e. starting with x amount of RAM and then adding another two sticks later to double the amount, as opposed to starting with two sticks with the doubled amount. 2. For DDR5, how important is latency for gaming? E.g. 28 CAS vs. 36 CAS. 3. What kind of performance increase does RGB provide? :/

[@moce.2451]

still using 16gb but its still ok, opening a lot of program while gaming still manage to get 140fps to 120

[@GraveUypo]

my decision was between keeping 48gbs with tighter timing at 3000mhz or cutting down to 32gbs at 3600mhz. i ended up going with the latter for now.

[@devilzuser0050]

Capacity > MHz.

[@grtitann7425]

Still on AM4/DDR4 and 16GB and clearly, I don't need more. Very interesting video. In Fabio we trust!

[@nitroxide17]

Would you ever consider adding baldur's gate 3 to your testing suite? It's fairly demanding and quite popular right now. Thanks!

[@AncientGameplays]

Only for the cpu tests maybe

[@ss4vegita]

Thanks for the video. I actually have 4 8gb for 32gs ddr4. back when I built this pc it was originally 2-8gb then later on added another 2-8bg sticks. Been told to just switch to 2-16gb for better dual channel performance. Did a little test where I ran with just 2-8gb sticks and played some games. Didn't notice any real performance difference so just went back to 4-8bg sticks.

[@MrNelahem]

2x16GB and 4x8 are both dual rank configurations. When you have 2x8 and they are single rank is when you will see a performance difference.

[@AncientGameplays]

Not with ddr5. Ddr5 16gb stick are (or at least were) mostly single rank

[@grtitann7425]

About the stutter. Try ChimeraOS. Also, turn TPM off in BIOS for Windows test.

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

no thanks.

[@SpaceXPeekedツ]

There are two games that I play that I saw MASSIVE performance improvement when I upgraded from 16gb to 32gb which were Escape from Tarkov and Star Citizen.

[@AncientGameplays]

basically 2 very unoptimized games

[@SpaceXPeekedツ]

@@AncientGameplays yep

[@hoffyc.h393]

dude off topic now xD but I have looked on your Ryzen CPU overclock video and had A Ryzen 7 5700g now clocked to 4.5Ghz at 1.32V and PBO off Core boost and c-state on and level 3 on those level thing :D and my PC seems kinda solid with this for now, but will 1.32v destroy my CPU in the long run? cuz you says 5000 series should never go over 1.3v

[@AncientGameplays]

1.32v is a bit much in my opinion, BUT, I might be wrong as there are no official data on what voltage/current harms those CPUs

[@hoffyc.h393]

@@AncientGameplays Okey thanks for answer mate :) well it's a CPU with APU so maybe a bit more voltage is okey normaly the voltage was 1.344v

[@DilbertCronicles]

Chanced upon your channel as I was researching on CPU/GPU bottleneck. I liked your video on Bottleneck calculator. I always suspected that those Bottleneck calculators site cannot be relied on and your video proved that. My take on RAM mainly comes from my experience in rehabilitating old donated laptops (oldest are Dual Core from 2008 era, but majority are i3/i5 3rd gen) for an orphanage that I am volunteering for their IT needs. Most older laptops from late 2ks, can only support 4GB (2GB*2), some even only 3GB (1GB soldered + 2GB slot). most laptops from late 2ks can only accommodate max of 4GB, early 2k10s mainly max of 8GB (4GB*2) and mid/late 2k10s can support 16GB to 32GB. My own laptop is a i5 8th Gen with a 1050 Ti, initially with 16GB (2*8GB) and later 32GB (2*16GB). Since those laptops are mainly for the orphanage kids learning to use computers, I had initially installed Linux but sadly, none of that orphanage staff are familiar with Linux and their Director insisted I install Windows 10 or 11, so that their staff can guide their kids in using computers. What I found is that 3GB to 4GB is barely adequate for Win 10 provided the drive is a SSD. it's almost un-useable with HDD as the HDD is just too slow for pagefiling to compensate for inadequate RAM. 8GB is OK with some pagefiling. 16GB is a sweet spot with almost no pagefiling, and 32GB is overkill for gaming, unless one is also streaming whilst gaming.

[@Abyss-Will]

Avatar is out already?? I missed that. Just checked and it's not cracked yet so it was never released for me lol.

[@AncientGameplays]

Lol

[@davidcrawford2478]

Très bonne vidéo, avec les comparaisons de FPS avec les différentes barrettes mémoires, encore merci.

[@iyeetsecurity922]

I'm upgrading my 2017 HP Omen 17 an0xx. Thankfully it has an NVME slot, so I'm adding 500gb of storage to run progz off that. It's got 12gb RAM and I'm trying to decide between 16gb and 32gb.

[@AncientGameplays]

32gb would be better of course, especially for latops

[@nelsonmejiaslozada9362]

maniacs are shaking and sweating of not seeing 64 OR 128 GB.

[@AncientGameplays]

Hahaha

[@mantid83]

Getting more HUGS fixed my issues.

[@infernal-toad]

I just bought a new laptop with 16GB RAM DDR5 because I obviously don’t wanna spend too much on high-end hardware. But my previous one had 8GB RAM DDR4. And actually it wasn’t a bad experience at all. Multitasking on Windows 10 was possible as long as I am not using chrome along with Vegas pro. And video editing wasn’t unbearable in 1080p 60fps. But I was forced to pre-render a lot because of the crashes and slow rendering times. But when 16GB is a lot more confortable than on my old laptop, I don’t think 32GB RAM is a ‘must need’ for me yet.

[@XMG3]

i downgraded my RAM from 32GB to 16GB today to improve CL. I play at 4k with a TUF 4080 super with no apps running, so I think 32GB is probably not needed

[@paul1979uk2000]

32GB of memory is so cheap nowadays that it's probably the best option to go for, unless you're on a budget. But when it comes to gaming, I wouldn't get 32GB with the aim of more performance, that might be the case in the coming years as games use more memory, but for now I would buy it simply to have more memory to play with, it's also great having more memory when playing with A.I. through the cpu and honestly, with how cheap memory is, my next upgrade is likely going to be 64GB.

[@pju28]

Thank you for your work and information! Is it possible to check up if all dimm places of the Mainboard are used and have advance over only two dimms are used? Thumbs up to your work!

[@AncientGameplays]

you mean, you want to see 4x8 vs 2x16GB?

[@pju28]

4x16GB@@AncientGameplays

[@revansgc]

Thank you for the video. I'm going for 32GB for my new build.

[@George-mr6fy]

Even though I've an I3 10105F, I got a 32gb ddr4 320mhz cl16 in case I upgraded to an I5 or I7 11th gen and I didn't know that it's gonna give me slightly more performance on my z490 mobo. DDR5 ram technology looks it's gonna be more relevant and a step forward in the coming years.

[@AncientGameplays]

ddr5 is the way for sure, but even a 11700K for example would be a massive upgrade for you

[@todorkolev7565]

next time, don't do such a thing :) You spent money upfront and IT DID NOTHING for you, for many years. Now, you still don't need 32GB... But if you needed it, you can buy it for a fraction of the cost you back when it was current technology :)

[@George-mr6fy]

@@todorkolev7565 The 32Gb was at a stellar price so I grab it ,but the i5 11400f's price was doubled in my country so I was forced to resort to the i3 10105F but in a better financial situation I would make a far superior hardware pick choices.

[@C6Z06J]

The Yoga teacher from GTA 5 was modeled after this guy.

[@AncientGameplays]

😂😂

[@iikon3]

I upgraded to 32gb from 16gb I lost the dual channel but did not lost any performance at all!! I guess because dual channel only matters for igpu not for a graphics card

[@AncientGameplays]

How can you lose dual channel, and no, dual channel matters quite a lot for anything cpu heavy

[@iikon3]

@AncientGameplays I'm playing at 1440p and only single player games so it's all gpu heavy gaming

[@TheJamesKF]

DDR4 is dirt cheap especially used in my area. At this point I build everything with 32Gb to start and for most users it will be plenty. 16Gigs is fine for now if you are on a budget as shown here. If you have 8.. well its time to spring for another 8. Thanks for the comparison showing this in 2024!

[@AncientGameplays]

No biggie, but the video is wbout ddr5 haha

[@TheJamesKF]

@@AncientGameplays Right! Totally agree that new builders choosing a DDR5 platform should start at 32 now that pricing is more reasonable.

[@2MichalChojnowski2]

Seeing on Games + Apps bars even 32GB sometimes scoring lower, I wonder if 64GB would help, if the time has come for it to make a difference (without trying hard to show it). Or these lower scores are thanks to some variability during measurements - it's mostly seen with not that much reliable 1% Lows which even few times surprisingly managed to show improvement with apps running.

[@AncientGameplays]

I believe those are inside the margin of error most times

[@bluecollarwatches7048]

Both the pc’s we have in our house have 32g, my wife’s pc is a i5-8500 with a rx550 4g in it and I see it using system ram when under heavy load for graphics. My pc is a i7-10700kf with a rx6600 8g and I’ve never seen it use system ram, hers is older but my grandkids game on it and it does a admirable job not the highest settings but gets the job done. More ram is not a bad thing but I personally wouldn’t go-over 32g at this point. I’ve never even hit 16g of use and my i7 but I’m like Tim from tool time, MORE POWER 😂 I found 16g sticks on Amazon for $26, was a no brainer for me ddr4 2666mhz.

[@XMoldyMe]

I have 64GB because I installed Linux in Ram and store everything else on SDD, (games, programs, etc.) but I have the fastest OS possible. Games still have 32 GB ram of free space

[@AncientGameplays]

RAM disks are interesting as well haha

[@deadshottii]

Hey man, I’m really confused whether to get one of two different laptops. I will list the specs below and I’d really appreciate it if you can give me your opinion on which I should get: Zephyrus g14: 14” display. OLED 3K 120 Hz Ryzen 9 8945HS 32 GB RAM GeForce RTX 4070 1 TB SSD Zephyrus G16: 16” display. OLED 2.5K 240 Hz Intel Core Ultra 9 16 GB RAM GeForce RTX 4070 1 TB SSD Please keep in mind that the ram in these laptops is soldered in so I don’t have the option to upgrade it later on. What I really want is the G16. I really want the larger display (since it’ll be the only display I’ll have) and the dark grey color it comes in (unlike the g14 which only comes in a white color). It also has a higher refresh rate, and a better CPU. Everything about it is better…except for the ram. I’m worried that I’ll face problems with the RAM in the long run since I’m planning on keeping this laptop for atleast 5 years. I’m getting this for some gaming (mainly games such as COD, GTA, and some others) in addition to school work (which won’t be demanding). I like everything about the G16 more except for obviously the ram. Do you think this difference in ram is worth me choosing the g14 instead?

[@admiralbosch2851]

so what you're saying is that I need 128 GB of DDR 6X ultra? 🤔

[@NVMDSTEvil]

Wil you be testing full ranks (4 sticks dual sided) or density (2x16GB using 16Gb vs 32Gb ic's)? With DDR4 chip density was a performance killer without enough ranks, but since DDR5 is "dual channel" per device maybe the density doesnt affect performance the same. EDIT - Some of your differences could have been command rate not being locked down properly.

[@AncientGameplays]

CR was exactly the same as well

[@Xilent1]

8gb wasn''t bad, but taking my 16gb and going 32gb for my upgrade. Does the Windows experience change significantly meaning NOTICABLE or just enough to feel it? Hope that made sense. LOL Great video Bro.

[@TrantaLocked]

I would stay on 16 unless you are upgrading for a faster kit which your CPU and/or GPU can take full advantage of. There was a period for DDR5 where it was a legitimate choice to go 16 due to the price difference, and there is still no need to upgrade from that capacity unless you are doing professional work or serious power user stuff, but now it just makes sense for all new builders to go 32 due to good $100 kits being available. I don't even know when I will ever need to upgrade my 2x8 5600 kit since I tend to like mid range GPUs for their lower heat output and I doubt I will buy a GPU that can fully push my existing kit within the next five years. I bought AM5 thinking I will upgrade my CPU one day but my 7600 can push a 4090 just fine so maybe not until the very end of the AM5 life cycle.

[@cmoneytheman]

just bought 16gb today comes in 4 days so it will add to the 8 i had for 2 years i get stutters in mutiple games running 4k native high

[@n00blike]

would be cool to see these same tests with the new AMD APUs

[@AncientGameplays]

Already finishing the 40 games on the 8700g, more test will come for sure

[@bluej511]

2x16 3600cl16 kit on my 5800x3d with my 7900 XT. Never looked back. I've not had a bsod in over a year. But getting a 2x8 with tighter timings is better than 2x16 with loose timings.

[@AncientGameplays]

why should you have BSODs? People talk like its normal lol. Not even 8GB would bring you BSODs

[@bluej511]

@@AncientGameplays you'd be surprised how finicky Ryzen can be with memory. I started with a 1700x in release day. Than a 2700x. My 5800x would whea error like crazy and wasn't very stable. My system has been rock solid, not a single bsod, not a single crash or reset. Ryzen has come a very long way.

[@AncientGameplays]

not the point at all. The point is capacity doesn't have anything to do with that, people that get bad kits and don't how to tweak them do. I got a 1600X since release, then went to the 2600, then 3600, then 5600X (with some in between) and now with many others and still, zero issues. Ryzen has come a long way and they had some issues in the very beginning, but even then, all you had to do was mostly raise RAM and SOC voltages (not in all cases though)@@bluej511

[@sula2315]

If wanting to achieve optimal performance, 2 sticks is better than 4 or there is negliable difference? Such as 5% worse would be fine.

[@AncientGameplays]

The things is 2 stick can usually overclock better as they don't stress the IMC as much

[@piotrgott02024]

What about the differences in module latencies that we can find on the market, for example for 6000Mhz DDR5 SDRAM that you used in your tests, CL parameter of modules begins from 30 to 48 that I found for the mentioned frequency? Which modules are worth considering: is a single rank or double rank module a better choice? Thank you.

[@AncientGameplays]

the thing is that CL alone means nothing. You're much better with a CL38 kit with improved subtimings than with an EXPO CL30

[@piotrgott02024]

@@AncientGameplays So, is it better to get a pair of modules 6000mhz CL36, than 6000mhz CL30 ? I know that a single module alone is worse than two modules. And what about two different ranks' module: single rank and dual rank, which is better to get a kit of 2x16gb 6000mhz CL30? Is it much difference in gained performance to consider this choice between single or dual rank modules kit? Thank You.

[@AncientGameplays]

@@piotrgott02024 uh, no. Only if the price difference is big

[@clem9808]

Is 2x8gb= 16gb still enough for today's games? My gpu is 4070 but I heard that nvidia GPUs( at least the current gen.) use less vram but more system ram which is the complete opposite of amd cards(more vram, less system ram).

[@AncientGameplays]

Watch the video...

[@DouglasWatt]

Would love to have seen a more simulation-heavy game included in the testing, such as Teardown, Satisfactory, Riftbreakers, or Factorio. Also, games with increasingly intense gameplay like Risk of Rain 2 or one of the 3D survivor-types would be interesting to see how they are affected by RAM.

[@AncientGameplays]

Nah, riftbreakers works well too

[@DouglasWatt]

@@AncientGameplays Oh, I'm sure it does! Very capable game! But the issue with most shooters/FPS style games is that the CPU load is linear. With factory style and "game gets harder the longer you play" style games, I do wonder how the performance metrics change! That said I'm running a 7950X in 32gb x 2 with 30-36-36 timings, so not really affected by this debate. Just interested in seeing more data points, lol

[@AncientGameplays]

@@DouglasWatt i get you, still, the difference wouldn't be much I am almost sure

[@juanford55]

I mean, now that RAM is cheaper i dont see why not going for 32GB, specially on DDR4 wich is really cheap rn, got a 3200Mhz cl16 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance kit last christmas for like 60€.

[@AncientGameplays]

Agreed, as stated in the conclusion

[@johndoh5182]

I built systems with 16GB up until 2019. For all the AM4 systems I've built they're all 32GB and this is simply cost/benefit analysis. I see cases where 16GB isn't enough or people could be multi-tasking and one task takes a lot of memory. And now that NVMe is the dominant disk type, a system will use a bit of memory and CPU cycles when working with data on NVMe because of how fast the processing happens. 32GB is like $20 USD more than 16GB with differences of like $60 USD vs. $80, at least for DDR4. I haven't built with DDR5 yet because I don't do builds with Intel though that might change in the future depending on how good Arrow Lake is which is supposed to be on "Intel 20A" and comes out this year, and I also don't like AM5 in its current config. Maybe when Zen 6 comes out and they've totally redone their MCM architecture (this is supposed to happen) I might like it, ESPECIALLY if it allows for much faster memory which Zen 6 will NEED

[@todorkolev7565]

I don't see how you can reccommend 32GB, when it's 1-2% performance. 32GB is about twice as expensive and, anyway, it's really money thrown down the drain, when you can use it to get a better CPU/GPU. Years later, IF 32GB becomes necessary, just throw in two more sticks (if you are on ATX). Spending more money up front is a fool's errand!

[@AncientGameplays]

Dude, 32gb is like 100 bucks nowadays and more ram is never worse, never. Also, it will help with some games that can have a bit more stutters now, and the one to come in the future. I thought that was well explained...

[@skywalker1991]

Ram is cheap nowadays , its important to have enough for smooth operations, 16gb can be had for $60, Im upgraded to 32 gb and now my pc is super smooth , at times with all apps running in background and playing games with 3 monitors running , my pc uses almost 22 gb ram to 25 gb , I couldnt believe how much RAM straved my pc was before

[@Tyrannus_Gaming]

What would need to be improved, in gaming, before 1 Terabyte of RAM will become necessary? A question I once asked about 1gb of RAM so many years ago... so I'm curious now.

[@WSS_the_OG]

Excellent breakdown. Love your videos. P.S. If this were a Mac, it would perform better with only 4 GB than the PC with 32 GB! (LOL)

[@AncientGameplays]

Thank you, and maybe, maybe not haha

[@mrwickpt]

I have a RYZEN 5 7600 with 6800XT GPU and Last Drivers Crash alot on BF2042, I had to install the old ones. But the crazy thing is my high CPU usage, in game my CPU is working at 100% all time 😢 I tried everything like Process Lasso, and other programs buts still doesnt work. Can you make a video about how to reduce High CPU usage during games ???

[@AncientGameplays]

go back to 23.12.1 or 23.11.1, it seems the 24.1.1 have issues with Dead Space and BF 2042. Also, the only way to reduce CPU usage is to lock the FPS or get a better CPU

[@folivorx]

Thank you so much for this benchmarks and comparisons. I have 16GB but I'll get 32 when I upgrade my PC. :^)

[@AncientGameplays]

Glad to help!

[@betag24cn]

8 is the minimum to do web browsing these days so aim to 16 gbs and dont worry

[@AncientGameplays]

True

[@mohammedmahinuralam2796]

Does 32GB DDR5 work with a 8GB DDR5 soldered in the motherboard on a ASUS - 15.6" OLED Laptop - Intel Core i9-13900H - NVIDIA RTX3050 6GB with 16GB Memory - 1TB SSD - Black Model:Q540VJ-I93050 SKU:6534578? Please advise!

[@AncientGameplays]

Yes, but asynchronous dual channel I believe

[@aarone4336]

the level of convivence 32gb of ram offers is worth it alone imagine having to worry about closing a webpage and turning off windows features to maximize memory usage to play a game its annoying and so many games have memory issues now because they are all "early access" the more ram the better

[@larriwithay]

finally a video that helps me understand why you shouldnt have 4 sticks of ram for ddr5 because you are limited to 128 bit on most cpu and 2 ddr5 already reaches the cpu limit.

[@AncientGameplays]

4 sticks will give you dual ranks though, which can help in some scenarios :D

[@thehimself4056]

I just said screw it. Bought 3 Rtx 4090s. I hope to get at least 50-60 fps @ 1080p

[@AncientGameplays]

lol

[@techwizard9699]

I have 16gigs of Ram(8*2) and I want to upgrade to 32 gigs so do I just add 2 more sticks of RAM of same brand,model and speed, will I face any stability issues due to higher strain on cpu's memory controller. I have a i5 11400f.

[@AncientGameplays]

it may face as 4 sticks are a bit heavier on the mem controller, but overall you should be fine

[@gphysco]

16gb is good for now for me as I only open the game and make sure mother tabs are open to help utilize the ram for my gaming experience only 🙏

[@Runic_17]

Hey man great content as always can you tell me which is better ddr5 single stick 5200mhz , or ddr4 dual stick 3200mhz ???? Which is better???

[@AncientGameplays]

there's no way of knowing that unless you test in 2 different motherboard with an Intel CPU. sincerely, it depends on the game, but more and more games are taking advantage of ddr5

[@Runic_17]

@@AncientGameplays thanks man

[@michaelmedicworldoftanks33fps]

was that test done with windows pagefile virtual RAM on or off? and if so what were the settings for pagefile size?

[@jessicalawson1417]

This looks like a dual channel issue not the amount of ram. Since the 8gb stick was only occupying a single channel the cpu couldn't address the ram as efficiently as it could with the two other configurations.

[@AncientGameplays]

I explained that, but ddr5 works differently, have you skipped it?

[@andrzejbo1]

There is a lack of strategy games where it is more about RAM and CPU, less about GPU. In Civilization 6, turn speed increases when 4 memory banks are occupied instead of 2, even when the amount of RAM is the same. Is it worth having a lot of RAM? Check out Civilization and Hearts of Iron.I have 32 GB and in strategies it is worth having a lot of RAM, even more than a better GPU

[@bboy5610]

2024? Answer: 32gb 6000mhz! but depend on EXPO and XMP

[@AncientGameplays]

unless on a REALLY tight budget? For sure!

[@mikehawk6918]

6000mhz RAM doesn't exist.

[@puffyips]

⁠@@mikehawk6918 the ram is still called 32gb 6000 cl30 even if it’s halved

[@XMoldyMe]

@@mikehawk6918 😆

[@mikehawk6918]

You should test KSP1 with mods. With all the mods I have installed it's 20GB of RAM just to start the game, lol.

[@AncientGameplays]

KSP1? never heard of that

[@FoRk-One]

@@AncientGameplays kerbal space program

[@iitzkris]

in the test methodology what if u use 2 monitor and play a video or live stream on second monitor. How would that affect the FPS?

[@AncientGameplays]

The second monitor will barely use ram (more vram) and the rest is the same as having apps oppened I suposse

[@vino2476]

Should I get 2x8gb instead of 1x16gb for ddr5, My motherboard only had 2 ram slots and I was thinking I could later upgrade to another 16gb stick

[@mihaipalade9933]

will be interesting to see dual channel ddr5 vs quad ddr4 what impact will have on gaming,productivity etc.

[@AncientGameplays]

I would need an intel cpu for that

[@arbiter1]

if its a comp for just web, yt etc. 8gb is enough. if its a gaming machine 16gb is bare min if its a budget build but 32 is probably what you want to buy now.

[@lek1223]

2x 12gb sticks are probably the 'ideal' in term of max performance max conservative, if only they were more common and affordable

[@AncientGameplays]

I keep forgetting 12 and 24gb exist

[@ceejay2k2]

seems 32 is the new 16😁 Personally ran out of with 8GB ram about 6 years ago, but I guess it can still function as showed in some scenarios. But IMO 16GB is bare minimum these days

[@AncientGameplays]

agreed

[@EricTheBroBean]

I have 64GB DDR5 at 6000Mt which is what I need, simply because with some games my RAM usage is around 32GB and I want headroom.

[@faezlimpbizkit]

Soooo I am looking to buy new rams. I don't have the budget for 2x16GB but I do have the money for 1x16GB. Should I wait until I have enough money or buy a single 16GB and upgrade later?

[@AncientGameplays]

RAM is really cheap nowadays, but if you don't have money, just wait. It is better

[@MrAnony07]

Straight up I upgraded from 16-32 half a year ago and i saw no difference for well anything it was negligible and just a week ago I gave half my RAM to a friend and well it's still negligible lol.

[@Th3_Dark_Side]

What? Does that mean 16GB is no more dual ranked? So if I would upgrade on DDR5 I must buy 64GB of RAM then, even if I don't need so much, to have better performance? That sucks.

[@AncientGameplays]

single and dual rank don't matter much as it did with ddr4 as shown. There can be some dual rank 16GB sticks though

[@Th3_Dark_Side]

@@AncientGameplays I guess then I was lucky to get 2x16GB Dual Ranked Sticks. I upgraded my RAM recently from 4x8 3600 CL16 to 2x16GB 3600 CL14.

[@TrantaLocked]

The thing I'm confused by is how often the 2x8 kit beats the 2x16 kit in game-only. Too often for it to be just chance or margin of error, so there must be something going on here?

[@AncientGameplays]

that's not even considered beating. In some games, it is just margin of error really.

[@lazycat836]

Is ddr4 still relevant or I should consider moving to ddr5? My system currently is: - CPU: Ryzen 5 3400g, bought in 2019 (yea fun times) since I wasnt able to afford a gpu then. - Main: B450 tomahawk max - Ram: DDR4 8gb x2 hyperx fury 2666mhz - VGA: Gigabyte Rx6800 16gb Gaming OC (bought a few weeks ago) - PSU: MSI A1000G (bought a few weeks ago to replace my old Corsair CX650 for more upgrade headroom) I plan to upgrade to r5 5600 or maybe wait for r7 5700x3d and r7 5800x3d prices to go down a bit. If I should go for ddr5 rams then I have to change the motherboard and cpu platform as well.

[@AncientGameplays]

if buying new I definitely advise AM5 and DDR5. ddr5 is cheap nowadays, b650 are also way more affordable now, and the same goes for the CPUs

[@TheLionAndTheLamb777]

You would need fast DDR4 and a Ryzen 7 3800X3D or possibly a Ryzen 9 5900x to make the most of that GPU. Your current memory speed as well as the CPU is limiting your GPU quite a lot. You may as well your current CPU, RAM, and Motherboard and get new.

[@todorkolev7565]

5800x3d won't come down in price, lol... It's a near-top tier CPU that the many, many millions of AM4 users can install.

[@AncientGameplays]

you have the 5700x3D though@@todorkolev7565

[@Fiberton]

Although DDR5 has more banks it has way way higher latency. Take for instance I have 128 gigs of DDR4 clocking in at 16-20-20-38 3400mht that has a latency of 9.411 nanoseconds strapped to a 5950X. To get a 10ns latency at 6000mht on DDR5 you would need to buy a cas 30 set. The Manta 6000 Kit is a cas 36 pushing it to about 12 nanoseconds.

[@AncientGameplays]

the main timings aren't everything though. Also, 6000 CL30 kits are cheap nowadays

[@napoficial7123]

I have Ryzen 5 5600g and Rx 6800 XT. Which am4 processor Jesús recomend me as my next update? Thank you Jesús 💪

[@yunusbbx8497]

5700x

[@BeardedHeavy]

Ryzen 5600X3D/5700X3D/5800X3D would be a great upgrade if you're planning to stay on a AM4 motherboard.

[@paraschavan014]

I have 8 + 8 in my laptop and only one ram slot is upgradable, if I replacing that 8 GB ram with 16 or 32 GB DDR5 RAM, will it improve my performance or (8 +16) (8+32) it will ruined my dual channel RAM performance?

[@AncientGameplays]

you'll have asynchronous dual channel. For a laptop you're fine, I doubt the handicap is the RAM at all (capacity)

[@windir6661]

i have 2x16gb ddr5 buth my cpu-z shows 2x32bit not 4x32bit why?

[@AncientGameplays]

because you're running them in single channel most likely... you need to put them in the slot 2 and 4

[@windir6661]

they are in slot 2 and 4 and i used Buildzoid memory timings @@AncientGameplays

[@windir6661]

cpu-z shows they are in 2 and 4 slot and i use buldzoid timing @@AncientGameplays

[@windir6661]

I figured out is newer cpu-z shows like this buth hardwareinfo64 shows dual chanel sory for trubels @@AncientGameplays

[@arvinjayparin1710]

Can you please make another content for mhz of ram? 6000, 5400, 3600, 3200...

[@AncientGameplays]

already did that. Also, DDR5 minimum frequency is 4800MHz

[@Владимир-я1з5ш]

Like for your brother hard work. Is using 6600 or 6700xt/7700xt instead of 7900xtx will change result much? Not asking for a retest video though, especially not with 8gb, cause it's doesn't make any sense to use 8gb.

[@AncientGameplays]

imagine the 7700XT at 1080P as the 7900XT at something in between 1440P and 4K. FPS are what matter mostly

[@Владимир-я1з5ш]

Thanks for a replay. Got your idea now.@@AncientGameplays

[@Владимир-я1з5ш]

Got and idea, now. Thanks.@@AncientGameplays

[@Goth-FreaKzZz]

The lower resolution you play in, the more RAM memory matters. I have 32 GB of RAM right now and i’m fine

[@AncientGameplays]

Ram capacity has nothing to do with resolution lol, that's vram. You're confusion capacity with frequency

[@christonchev9762]

for Hogwarts u had those huge RAM allocations cause the game was unoptimized and still is cause a guy with a high end PC i mean best of the best on everything had stutters

[@adnelortiz]

I've seen prebuilt gaming machines with 8GB DDR4. That should be considered a crime. 16GB is still the sweet spot, and yes, 32GB is not such a painful investment, specially if you are on a DDR4 platform.

[@rohitmeena-fv6nb]

what you all think about 48GB for streaming and gaming ?

[@watercat1248]

If it's up to myself to make the computer os i will make light but to have someone as Mach harder as possible. I don't understand why the need to run all this stuff in the background, i also don't see the point to have all those effect in window by default. The os it's just way to do very specific job files manager heaving software open and stuff like that I don't see any reason if someone use computer for basic task like navigate the internet for ms office and stuff like to need demanding computer just because the os is more demanding for what the need with not really reason.

[@ihavecrabs56]

so 2 stick of 16 or 4 sticks of 8? and would u recommend 32 or 64 for content creation?

[@AncientGameplays]

content creation? 32GB would suffice, but depending on the app, 64GB could help

[@ihavecrabs56]

like streaming, browsing the internet, music, discord, gaming, video editing, music production, etc. if 32, would you recommend 2 stick of 16 or 4 sticks of 8gb and why?@@AncientGameplays

[@KonglomeratYT]

@@ihavecrabs56In DDR5 16GB dimms are a sweet spot for speed and timings. Going 8 gig sticks is not efficient, and going 32 gig DIMMs is going to give better space, but the timings and speeds are going to get slower for the price. In DDR4 it is a bit different; with 8 gigs being common and normal, and 16 being the "larger" option.

[@Arc_Noir]

Thanks for this video. I can stay with 1x8GB DDR5 for now.

[@AncientGameplays]

yeah, it isn't THAT BAD, but shouldn't be a thing for anyone nowadays

[@Arc_Noir]

@@AncientGameplays I bought my laptop online and there's a warranty sticker on top of one of the screws so I can't open it and it's a hassle to go to the service center to do an upgrade.