How Much Should Skate Filmers Make?

[@skatechatham]

This is the most I've heard Roger talk in a long time, it's nice to hear him speak about his passion.

[@PunishmentMusic]

thebestever475 nobody wants to hear your political bs here

[@chrismathewsjr]

@@PunishmentMusic he's right though

[@Dontbustthecrust]

@@chrismathewsjr not really. Filmers and skateboarders are freelance. Bernie wouldn't br able to chance the value of skateboard clips.

[@chrismathewsjr]

@@Dontbustthecrust but he would make it so if you're getting your ass railed by a system that doesn't value your efforts to pay rent, that you can still get your ass fixed by a doctor without going in debt. don't limit your political imagination my friend

[@justinchaney1245]

@@chrismathewsjr the "system" is not screwing over skateboarders and filmers. It's the skateboard companies who don't provide health insurance or a livable wage. Why else do you think so many skateboarders are on Redbull and Nike these days?

[@caterpillakilla]

I love how the skaters missed the point. But the blue collar Rodg knows what its like.

[@sceplecture2382]

@Nicholas Montoto yea.

[@xeweezyx15]

Roger, skateboarding is not ready for this conversation..the community throws filmers under the bus.

[@filmerd]

We accept it cuz that's the status quo. Rely on "nice friends"

[@PONYBOYonline]

Not just skateboarding, but everyone. When it comes to artists who do contract work, like say photographers for weddings, or DJs, or bands etc....nobody ever wants to pay. Hence the whole "You'll get exposure" bullshit.

[@spoonerluv]

@thebestever475 You won't have time to skateboard when you're busy searching the streets for rat to eat under a socialist order.

[@soydave1988]

@@spoonerluv I'm sorry, but you're completely un-informed and extremely misguided. Do SOME research at least before exposing your stupidity on the internet

[@filmerd]

@thebestever475 that ain't true by a mile.

[@mirraco323]

The argument of “well do it for the passion” is one of the most incredibly absurd, idiotic things I’ve heard. Rog used his time, equipment, gas money, talent, etc to contribute to a piece of media that made a company money, and you have to be unbelievably ignorant to think he doesn’t have every right to compensated for that. It doesn’t matter the profession, Roger’s services helped people make money, and he deserves to be properly compensated, and thats where the discussion ends. Period. Imagine if Crail Tap told Eldy today “hey we want to pay you in product and maybe $50 here and there to work for us (doing whatever he does for them). You have a ‘passion’ for skateboarding so it shouldn’t matter right?” I highly doubt he would be okay with that.

[@joshcontreras750]

Yeah that made me upset, filmers always get the short end of the stick

[@xisotopex]

its an argument made by those that want to profit from someone else's labor

[@mirraco323]

@@xisotopex It’s an argument made by someone like Eldridge who grew up in a privileged ass situation and has never had to actually work in his life.

[@mptypockets344]

It can go both ways....Rog could have/ should have created a contract or a deal beforehand so he wasn’t wasting his time....you can’t expect greedy people to not be greedy....Eldridge point is....if Rog had a contract beforehand what’s stopping filmers not skaters just taking over and putting people like Rog out of business....it’s a slippery slope Rog should be compensated but skating will never /should never completely sell out

[@daledecker]

I am so grateful for people like Roger that are willing to tell it like it is. Skating is obviously fun and we all obviously love it but after that 4 hour session rent needs to get paid. The internet has created an open season type of scenario where it's anyones game. Anyone can monetize anything now and it's amazing (for the most part). It discredits all the gatekeeping too. It is so important that you guys talk about topics like this and I love it. At the end of the day we're all blessed to be able to make any money off of skating but basketball players are blessed to making money off basketball as well. For better or for worse, skating might be at a certain corporate level now but it's not at the same level as major league sports. WE have wiggle room to monetize and make our own living in skating with the current state of the internet.

[@TH-vl8dw]

Passion only goes so far.

[@kylebookout1789]

Great comment!

[@danpochtrager2936]

Justin rarely has anything with substance to contribute to conversations and this video really just confirmed it for me. The "Don't you love it?" response to Roger killed me. He does not understand...

[@euminkong]

He does not get it.

[@BrandonHoyt]

His burb-boy privileged bullshit was really shining in this clip 😅😅😅

[@TheAcridCorpse]

Thank fuck somebody said it.

[@NovaSixx]

Take it he owns a company and sends people a box of boards instead of paying them. Can't do what you love with no money.

[@TheAcridCorpse]

@@NovaSixx No doubt in my mind he pays in product.

[@MasterChiefKeefYT]

Roger too woke for the skate industry we must protect him

[@bg6012]

Word. Poor am’s getting dragged around for years that should be pro. “But they’re not marketable yet”, right well maybe if you invested more than a couple of hundred dollars a month and a few boards and actually released their footage they would be marketable...way too much “in-groups” and “cool” dismissive shit in Skate culture.

[@ACTHdan]

What does woke mean

[@chrisprysok7634]

​@@ACTHdandefinitely not the same as Disney means by woke.

[@chrisprysok7634]

Why us this a question? Hourly or day rate. Why would you take less?

[@skateratvocateproductions6750]

This conversation was long overdue. Shout out to the caller who raised this topic. It's better to listen to a philosophical conversations than to hear the stories of how a pro came up, despite the fact that those stories have their own uniqueness and interesting nuances. Rog, thank you for keeping it real on this one.

[@stbn100san00]

These 2 fools Eldridge and Kelly talking about “just do it for the passing and you’ll be ok” boiiiiii Roger obviously has more passing and knowledge about the craft than they’ll ever have. All they did was SOME skating and hanging with the right crowd.. Rogers been putting in work for years!!!

[@bobgnarlyxl]

if you don't think kelly and eldy have passion you need to check yourself

[@mk-apache6161]

Boomer thread.

[@crisscass25]

George Davis no, rog is the only one there with a business mentality and he’s telling people to get with it. He was negative for a second and it bums everyone out, big deal go change your tampon or put your big boy pants on and deal with it

[@idontwantone132]

@George Davis you are a look and rog is 100% right. Anyone who disagrees with him is a piece of shit and not a skater

[@outofpocketbroadcastlive571]

Yikes... where to start... They are NOT talking FILM passion, but PASSION in General. They damn sure are not claiming he has a lack of in terms of FILMING whatsoever, but undeniably one doing something for less.... arguably, not always (and it may be dumb) is more passionate.. *not always. The act of passion is applicable to anything... Next, the TALENT on a board vs holding a camera... Yeahhhhhhh. Not even fucking CLOSE and you only achieve that level with a PASSION and NOT seeking money because it DONT EXIST IN SKATING AT ALL in GENERAL.. Lmfao... that is PURE passion, body risking, PASSION beyond filming.. *not to belittle that or anything In terms of it requiring a fuck ton of passion.. *also you know how hard it is to be a skate filmer??? LMFAO, so ROG TOO was in the fuckng RIGHT place at the RIGHT TIME with the RIGHT PEOPLE as is ANYONE IN EXISTINCE when such occurs??? Lmfao, the same went for Rog in that statement and again, IMAGINE if you can the FUCKING time spent on a BOARD for your moment? Filming isn't HIT or miss, you acquire the skill and it's more or less set, you can be kickflipping for 20 YEARS and miss that one in that "right time" in that "Right moment" and youre fucked.. *Insert ANY TRICK... "all they did was some skating and hanging with the right crowd" Bro... I don't even want to but I guarantee without a DOUBT you cant do a fucking FRACTION OF WHAT THEY HAVE AND STILL CAN ON A BOARD for you to gloss over that shit like that.. In fact I noticed a lot of filmers GAVE up skating bcuz they topped out and couldn't do SHIT/ thought it and went that route lmfao... That may apply to you and or you may have already had that "im not doing this no more" moment... Don't reduce their shit or skating in general to "just some skating" lmfao.... that is precious... I guess you took it they were doing that to Rog, so you did it ? I don't know, im trying to be charitable with that statement you made and don't think you as a skater/one whos been on the board (im assuming) meant... You know how many fucking times Kelly's gone under the needle for this shit man... *now I agree with the "just do it, youll get paid oversimplification part, that was as bad as you and your "just did some skating" shit lmfao. *Cue im not reading all this. KEKW

[@luispicazo7222]

I like how they all got defensive when Roger said Filmers should be getting paid at the start of their career because as skaters they had to go through their tier list of Flow, AM, and Pro. IMO filmers are like talent scouts for skateboarding and should be compensated because at the end of the day filming is a JOB.

[@crisscass25]

Luis Picazo Filmers are like any other job. theyre not scouts. They take the equipment to the site, get the job done, go home. Like a construction worker or electrician. Youre not gonna go work on something so that you can get paid with tools or parts like screws or nails. You work to get paid, as you should

[@HipHopBeatSource]

The finance of skateboarding is a much needed conversation.

[@justins9786]

HipHopBeatSource I think the problem is that you have skaters pretending to be business men and they’re making the wrong decisions

[@dainodawg3160]

i disagree, i think skateboarding is a recreational activity and the attempt to profit off of it hasn't been done properly by many people, look at supreme, look at braille skateboarding, look at the berrics, these places are profitable content sources, and profitable companies. Ad revenue goes to those who get the most eyes, sales go to the people that market products the best.

[@mirraco323]

0. .0 Even though I do find a lot of the stuff that those companies do (Braille, Berrics, etc) cringe worthy, I think most of the hate towards Revive, Braille, or those kind of companies in the industry is because they make way more money than most “core” companies and a lot of people are very bitter and jealous. I hate to mention him because I think he’s a good guy, but when Heath Brinkley came on here and took a shit on Revive. Take away all hatred for Revive one may have, and objectively it came off like he was just sour grapes that they probably sell way more boards and merchandise than his company does. He can paint it all he wants that he doesn’t like them because they “undercut board prices and that’s bad to do to skateboarding” but in reality he just doesn’t like them because they make way more fucking money than he does, end of story. If Revive can make more money by knowing selling their boards for $37 because they will sell so many of them, that’s not their fault! Tough shit if you don’t like it. What are they supposed to do, not make the most money they can? That’s fucking asinine. And my grand point is I agree, companies that have people who actually know what they’re doing in business are hated on because a lot of “skater” owned companies don’t know what they’re doing with money are extremely envious of these guys.

[@foofy8604]

UNDERGROUND WHEREHOUSE you think the videographers on pro teams just point a shitty vx camera and call it a day? You sound ridiculous.

[@bakeraus]

There is too many pro's can't feed everyone. Too many brands also.

[@mikemastroni]

The fact that anyone can even entertain the idea of “yeah but don’t you just do it for the love” is hilarious. I’m a professional BMX filmer in the industry 10+ years and everything Roger touched on is absolutely true..except in our industry (at least for a young kid filmer) it’s more like “hey go film a project for a couple months and maybe we’ll give you $300 or some bike parts.” Obviously you film because you enjoy the process of creating something special, but that something special has a price tag. Know your worth filmers.

[@4Azr]

Sadly there is less and less to film every year. Things in bmx are not going well, Its hard to find solution for that. Maybe It is meant to die? I hope not

[@catjive2]

the skateboarders are getting paid, but the camera guy isnt. PLUS, camera equipment is expensive as F-CK

[@romanizaboss6641]

Bozo it the reason I got out the game. Sold all my VXs

[@okayokaydrive]

bernie2020

[@reeltimegamer7708]

The Skater sacrifices his body, the Filmer sacrifices his wallet

[@Wulfeh]

@SwitchRich the work while in the board to get some of those angles are no joke lol

[@JustinBehan]

Just because you enjoy your job doesn't mean you should be paid less. To say "Don't you love what you do? And happy to be in that position?" doesn't matter lol. Bills don't care about passion. Pay people for the work they do and pay em what they deserve.

[@eugenedascoli3706]

Amen

[@BlxkLavender]

This is the absolute best conversation on the nine club I’ve ever watched and I’ve been hear since the first few episodes. Man this is real

[@robertsalazar5375]

Real talk I'm hooked

[@topramenraymond7005]

Make this top comment

[@robertsalazar5375]

What if thats why he liked it ? Lol

[@BlxkLavender]

F trogs I liked it because as a professional photographer, and someone who works freelance (I’ve done a lot of skateboarding photography) it’s such a weird place to be when you get started. When to charge and when not, and becoming familiar with your own worth. It’s a really important lesson

[@crisscass25]

F trogs he had to expound on his points constantly because they were bing minimized and pissed on. check yourself before you wreck yourself dawg

[@patrickpostlewait8453]

I definitely feel what Roger's saying. Having worked in the music industry for the last 15 years, I see a lot of parallels there. Filmers are a lot like audio engineers...they are essential to their industries but the least appreciated and often the last to be paid. Yes, do it for the love, earn your place, but know your worth. Justin needs to check himself for a second and let the man air this shit out.

[@mirraco323]

Oh yeah the music industry can be just as fucked up. I don’t have enough fingers to count the amount of bands I know who have been absolutely screwed and robbed by record labels. You have the CEO of the label acting like the label can’t afford to give the band any of their royalties that they’re contractually owed, while he drives around in a fucking Mercedes, because he knows the artists/band don’t have the financial resources to sue the company. It’s absolute robbery.

[@christopherlopez2491]

Its better to be "big fish in a little pond" for most, that way there is love there. The big pond can be a mess.

[@BrandonHoyt]

I feel like Justin kind of looked like an entitled jackass here 😆😅

[@dhigginskc]

"And some people just get depressed and kill themselves" , This content is hard truth skaters need to hear. Skateboarding is a haven for so many people who seek shelter from many, more or less, heavy situations. Thank you Rog for all of this. 9 club has really managed to become significant in the lives of so many of your listeners and to downplay that would be a damn shame. I have my issues and sometimes hearing a familiar voice remind you of what matters keeps you going and helps you bsts into tomorrow. I appreciate you all being there for us..

[@idontwantone132]

God eldy is pissing me off in this clip. He doesn't know what it's like to go thru what Roger went thru.

[@crisscass25]

Yeah it’s kind of ridiculous, grown ass dudes talking about “the love,” dudes gotta put food on the table we’re not teenagers anymore wtf are you talking about lol

[@fuctcarl]

yeah he's acting like rob dyrdek in street dreams

[@jackgibbs]

Stevey TeeVee yes you absolutely do... IF... the company you’re filming for is gonna make $1000’s off it from advertising.

[@skaterboi65]

@@crisscass25 LMAO RIGHT

[@unclesam997]

@@crisscass25 For real. That made me cringe so hard when he said "you're fucking up the love." It's like, first of all skating is fun. Filming is not. More kids would rather skate than film skating. But yeah, it's also like dude you're a full grown man. You can't eat "the love."

[@justinchaney1245]

"If your trying to make money off skateboarding, go somewhere else." Best quote ever

[@dirtygypsy23]

yeah!!! nike should gtfo

[@justinchaney1245]

@@dirtygypsy23 I have nothing against skateboarders who probably have no health insurance getting paid. They should get all the $ they can.

[@idontwantone132]

@@dirtygypsy23 no Nike has done so much for skateboarding

[@BG-fh5me]

@@idontwantone132 exactly

[@elliottwoods5636]

@@justinchaney1245 so is it the best quote or not? make up your mind man

[@BearsBetterHaveMyHoney]

It is rare to see Roger speak up like this. It was awesome to see just how passionate he is about what he does. Give that man a Stella.

[@rhettfreeman8186]

Justin can't grasp what Rodger is talking about because he's been milking a pro career that he doesn't deserve for many many years and has a free check and he's the type of person who has used people like Rodger to get where he's at so he can't see what Rogers talking about Rodger is just a stepping stone for people like him

[@fuctcarl]

true, he’s like the asshole skater that only cares about himself

[@elijahmiller6187]

I don’t think he is intentionally being harsh. He has a different perspective since all he had to do was ride a skateboard and perform. That said I completely disagree with him using “the love and passion” as a valid argument. People need to eat period. Filmers do so much to make skaters and companies look good it’s utterly ridiculous to think they should accept less. As important as they are to this they should have 401k at least

[@ColonelFlickage]

Have you ever heard of punctuation?

[@lollollol6873]

justin has been hating on roger in the past few vids recently..not cool

[@chrisantonuccio]

Nicholas Montoto exactly, dude’s an idiot, he’s using that “dont u love it” excuse and as a cop out for not paying filmers and respecting them financially

[@parklaan7217]

Justin is a rich guy that doesn't know how real life works.

[@time0]

@Nicholas Montoto SMH

[@gabrielalvarez1189]

Nicholas Montoto exactly

[@sctim123]

Dude is a kook and a moron... which is obvious from other episodes. Just comparing the act of skating to filming is not even a relatable conversation.

[@5yuib]

Yo bring Atiba Jefferson on next episode i would like to hear him talk about this

[@crisscass25]

I think atiba is on another level dude...he’s shooting celebrities n shit he must be tied in somehow somewhere

[@isaacbartonskate]

Atibas making bank sponsored by jaeger and Budweiser shooting nba players

[@funkydankspliff]

Atiba was able to get opportunities thru skateboarding and he still is involved in it but his main cash flow I assume comes from outside of skateboarding like shooting nba or celebrities

[@Micko13]

That would be really interesting too but Atiba's not your typical skate filmer

[@joaoramos32]

Agreed

[@ryanwalters3531]

Glad to see Steezus understand and defend Roger on his experiences. I was a little irritated to see how Eldy was pointing at Roger as being the antagonist for wanting to make filming a career instead of a passion project. However, on the other spectrum, I can see where Kelly and Eldy are coming from in explaining that skateboarding is the same as living an artists lifestyle: one where you pursue your passion and you are not meant to live lavishly or even comfortably for that matter. Eldy was being too rough with Roger at times which I didn’t appreciate. Anyone else agree?

[@Zombytes]

They dont really understand that you dont exactly film for fun like skateboarding. Sure its alright to do for fun for a while, and to gain experience, but 10- 20 years later when you have experience, you arent exactly just filming for "fun" anymore. Ha.

[@ed_koral_music3778]

I don’t normally comment on things but what Roger has to say here is nothing short of amazing. Big props. Things we all take for granted and need to hear. RIP Ben

[@aaroncarter4089]

Is this Roger?

[@cheesefanman2391]

I love that Joe stayed on the line.

[@mksp_]

Damn Eldy. He forgets that passion for skateboarding alone isnt what keeps the lights on. “It gets to a point where we become adults”. Its not as easy as walking away and making a lot of money elsewhere. You dedicated your time and your effort to hone a skill that is underpaid. As a pro, you most likely have to just keep that passion and companies come to you. As a filmer its opposite. You go to other companies and offer your worth. You work to prove you belong in the industry you love.

[@SeanDillenbeck]

I think he was summarizing the mindset of these companies that don't want to pay the filmer.

[@chrismathewsjr]

no sympathy for any company exploiting the labor of others

[@BonnotAR]

Yup. 7 months old, but this is the mindset people need to have with all labor, especially now how we are seeing in the pandemic, people are struggling thanks to shit social safety nets, and seeing that possibly tens of millions will be evicted, thanks to landlords wanting rent and people not having it because they are forced to live paycheck to paycheck. Fast food workers, artists, photographers, videographers, teachers, pay people a living wage keep up with the cost of living. Stop exploiting people.

[@Underdog_Basketball]

@@BonnotAR 💯💯💯✊🏽

[@hotwatermusic_]

I love when they start talking the business of skateboarding. Please keep these convos about the business side of the industry coming!

[@MikeTheFinder]

This is blowing my mind, I can’t believe the people that make this industry what it is are valued so little. God bless the filmers that put up with this nonsense.

[@beobe99]

Filmers need a guild or union of sorts, one that qualifies them as professionals based on X amount of hours of filming they've done. Once you've gone pro, you get an agent (that works for the guild) that books your jobs. Yes, a cut of what you get paid goes to the "guild" and your agent, but they'll both be making sure you get more money than before.

[@ryanthomas3317]

beobe99 this is the way

[@LukasSchroederFilms]

There are those, but not that skateboarding can follow. Cause there’s always freelance

[@beobe99]

@@LukasSchroederFilms The idea would be anyone that can film a solid line would aim to get into the "guild". So any good/smart freelancer who felt taken advantage of would join, and any company that wanted quality footage would want to use approved filmers. Sure, there will always be those freelancers that are good enough and will undercut just to get a job - but if those freelancers were smart, rather than undercut (themselves really), they'd join the "guild" to get representation and have someone hunting down jobs for them.

[@LukasSchroederFilms]

beobe99 True, works in theory! I wonder if the big companies (Nike etc) currently have any union shoots with IATSE/DGC for commercials

[@gooutsideasfollows9105]

Get em ROGER.

[@Filmthis1212]

Eldridge to Rog... “Yo Rog, you wanna go filming today? I got 5 bangers I wanna film.” Rog - yeah no problem my rate is $500... Eldridge - “all good bro I know some film school kids that will do it for free”.

[@xisotopex]

yep greed rules the day. anyone can do it. lets bring in a bunch people that will do the same thing for less or for free...

[@frankie3351]

justin is really insecure and overcompensates by being pretentious. You can tell he is jealous of roger or he feels threatened by him in some way. The tension is insane, and it's not just this clip it's every time he's there. You can tell by the look on his face and his body language alone that he can't stand to hear him.

[@lolmaorofl]

100% agree

[@rhettfreeman8186]

I think he realizes he used roger or people like roger on his way up..he just basically said..hey man..you are in my lime light..thats payment enough right??

[@frankie3351]

@@rhettfreeman8186 like I said it's not even just this episode. Watch any episode with him on it, and watch closely how he acts. Its painfully obvious. Just how he said the whole "aren't you doing it for the passion thing". Look at his body language and the tone he used. He was basically saying, "okaaayyy jeez shut up already." But again not just this episode, that's just an example. Poor roger. It sucks to have people treat you like that, especially when it's over something you are passionate about and have personal experience with.

[@crisscass25]

F Grimes Nah I picked up on that...and you could be right. After looking up Eldridge online i’m thinking dude might be a freemason trying to keep the waters muddy...might be triggered cuz roger is trying to clear things up & “wake” the masses. Justin has a golf company called “number 33”

[@frankie3351]

@@crisscass25 wtf tho lmao 😂

[@ShawneeUnion]

Reminds me of the Beagle video and people commenting Beagle does Uber on the side to pay the bills.

[@ckcoast99]

Imagine ur drunk at 2am and need a ride so u call Uber and beagle rolls up blasting gangsta boo and he’s ur ride

[@topramenraymond7005]

@thebestever475 voting doesnt do shit and Bernie Sanders has ended up paying his employees less than before when he raised wages because people got laid off AND the people still working for him are working less hours making less even though he raised the wages

[@maurotorresfilms]

pay the smoke

[@That1Guy]

Rogers a mystic. Trading the knowledge for a blueberry pie.

[@MattSezer]

As somebody who got into filming through shooting skate videos and now makes a living shooting TV and commercials, I have to say that hearing this is absolutely insane. In every other industry, companies hire their filmers in advance and pay them day rates and equipment rental fees. This is regardless of if a skater lands the trick or they decide to use it in the final video.

[@nadaimportante6454]

Filmers have more power than they know.

[@nufinkspliff]

Never seen Rog so animated, and rightly so. Also, suicide on a Christmas day episode. Haha! love you guys.

[@HardDanceCriminals]

To be honest, I filmed for around 5 out of my 10 years of skateboarding. Made sure i was using VX's(Since that was the camera that was being used everywhere) and I drove everyone around. The most i ever got was gas money from my buddies. I loved it because we were all homies but, in the end i never seen a dime of what i put into it. I filmed people who are now riding for huge companies. Overall though even though all my time and money was spent, i loved what i was doing. Yeah, i wish i would have gotten paid for the clips i filmed. That would of been awesome. I just wish youtube monetization was a huge thing back then like it is now. Roger is seriously my favorite dude on this podcast. i love his outlook on filming and just the skateboard industry itself.

[@michaelc.682]

I grew up skating the local shop where Roger worked and I was always happy to see his involvement in skateboarding. Over the years he filmed a bunch of great stuff. Listening to this I guess he never received what he believes to be fair compensation. Thanks Roger for taking the time and effort, along with the skaters, for giving us the clips we enjoyed watching many times throughout the years. Doing something for the love is great. Until the passion fades and you are left with a job. The rewards must increase as time goes on. Landing an awesome trick and capturing it on film isn't as satisfying when you're 30 as it is when you are 20. Unless you never matured. Let's hope the influx of large corporations, like Nike and Adidas, can bring some money and professionalism to an industry in desperate need of it.

[@MattCupan]

You talkin bout Positive on Newbury in Boston? Him and Ray were dope with the cam. Rog is man of few words. Aside from this, never really heard him speak a full sentence. But dude libed, and has jewels to drop.

[@eugenedascoli3706]

Don’t bring Justin back.

[@fuctcarl]

"wHaT YoUr DoiNg riGhT noW iS fuCkiNg uP thE loVe!"

[@EsotericOccultist]

Cancel him because you don't like his opinions? Are you a blue haired feminist or something?

[@AnnaCentauri]

clueless. You can tell he never has worked blue collar or been on a jobsite. Or have that fear of having to leave the industry and go back to construction. Its business, pay me my fucking money. We all love this shit, that is a given

[@unclesam997]

@@fuctcarl Seriously literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard someone say.

[@tenfold2395]

@@unclesam997 I once heard someone say daewon doesn’t have a tiny dick,like anyone who knows anything would tell you it’s basically just balls

[@BB69175]

Are Kelly's parents rich or what?

[@noelbustamante1]

B B probably

[@mattmolloy636]

Yeah they are, his dad is a prominent lawyer. Eldridge’s parents are too, in case you were wondering…

[@chrisgrieve1121]

Justin should just skate for the "love of skateboarding" and give his pay checks to Roger

[@BrandonHoyt]

For real, probably been getting $5k chocolate checks every month for 18 years now. Dude was just spewing entitled bullshit

[@mattmolloy636]

@@BrandonHoytyou think Justin gets $5k/ month from Chocolate? Try board royalties only, with no minimum.

[@BrandonHoyt]

@@mattmolloy636 usually pro’s get base pay + board royalties from everything I’ve heard over the years. Especially with a bigger board co like Chocolate

[@mattmolloy636]

@@BrandonHoyt Justin receives board royalty checks only. If he sells zero boards, he makes zero dollars. This is information divulged from a former veteran pro who rode for them, the margins get slimmer each year for Crailtap and they allocate the available funds towards their new pros who actually produce skate content that’ll sell boards. No one else would pay Justin to ride for them since his name alone won’t move units, so he has no bargaining power to negotiate a better deal with Chocolate. He’s just a dude who’s lucky to still have his name on a board in any capacity, and that likely wouldn’t be the case without The 9 Club exposure.

[@rtk90083]

@@mattmolloy636 so moral of the story is he's lucky, he was on during a good time tho. Im sure he did well the first 10 years of his career i mean he had pro shoes with 2 different companies like 4 different shoes, and he turned pro for chocolate in the early mid 2000's. That being the case I would think his board sales over the years would of averaged out semi okay. But who knows, either way whatever the circumstance he still rubs me the wrong way. He just gives off stuck up vibes, doesn't seem to be able to put himself in other people's shoes.

[@nathanlusanga]

I love roger for this !

[@Henners]

This was the most heated 25 minutes in the entire shows history. And I'm all here for it. Loved hearing rogers thoughts on it, no one ever seems to think about that aspect

[@bobkilla430]

I wanted to film skateboarding for a career back in the day, I'm glad that I got told by industry people and pros when I first went to asr that it was nearly impossible unless you were friends with pros/ great ams going places. This was when tours were alot bigger and traveling the world was a big part why I wanted to pursue.

[@iiiaiiin]

11:30 this exactly. When someone comes in and undercuts, it not only undermines their worth, but everyone elses. It is the same in any industry. You sell yourself and others short by giving away or selling footage cheaply

[@stbn100san00]

Glad Roger was spitting some real shit I knew he has a lot of knowledge regarding that filming life plus I did not take this in any way negatively pure truth, and I can definitely tell even when I’m not a pro that kelly and Eldridge had no idea what he was saying or tried to understand cuz them foos only skate that’s all they did, obviously those two don’t worry about theyr filmers.

[@unclesam997]

"You're fucking up the love!" The love doesn't feed your kids. I mean look at Mikey Taylor. He was like "people keep telling me oh just keep skating. I'd love to go out and just keep skating, but I have a family and I can't just throw them under the bus." That was some real man shit. Yeah we love skating, but you have to love your family more and do what you have to do.

[@1nvd]

Everyone asks the filmer to film but no one asks if the filmer wants to be filmed 🥺

[@dewmontain123]

@@nnoffuture you didnt understand what my man just said

[@bryanbarefoot7920]

Do you want me to film your bro?

[@TysonHook-22-]

@@nnoffuture Heres it put in simple terms you may be able to understand better... skaters ask the filmer "help me make a name for myself to get recognized and paid for my talents and passion as a skaterboarder"... no ones asking the filmers how can us skaters help our favorite filmers and photographers make more money and recognition for there talents and passion in the skate industry.

[@bakedizzle24]

should be a skaters/filmers union

[@joemcbee]

@thebestever475 so he can take 60% of your earnings?the government is so efficient taking 30% as it is. 🙄

[@mc540flip]

Right on Roger, get it out! I do really appreciate being a fan of skateboarding (outside the industry).

[@johnjacob3160]

Videographers/photographers are some of the most underpaid people in the world

[@filmerd]

Industry dependent. Board sports filmers are underpaid.

[@crisscass25]

Jeses theres another level people dont know about and thats why its difficult to be at the top. A lot of people shooting for vogue or whatever prominent company have to do some fucked up shit to get that position

[@johnjacob3160]

Jeses exactly, because they’re underpaid lol...

[@johnjacob3160]

Cristian Castro lol like what? How would you know

[@crisscass25]

John Jacob its how the entertainment industry works. its common knowledge

[@jonds8284]

lmao roger over there spilling his heart out about some dream he had. Crob "the fuck you talking about"

[@PONYBOYonline]

When it comes to hiring artist like photographers/filmers, DJs, bands etc...nobody ever wants to pay. Hence the whole, "you'll get paid through exposure" bullshit.

[@tee5615]

Crazy how Justin and Kelly kept saying that it shouldn't be about money and should just be about the love of skateboarding. Everyone needs to pay the rent and the bills, and you can't do either with 'love for skateboarding.' Also, Steezus is cool as hell.

[@EclecticWizard6]

Haha everyone got so worked up in this conversation I love it. Roger killed it

[@staylame]

I feel you, Roger. Thank you for voicing what many of us feel. Many filmers can relate, deeply.

[@BugsySailor]

Love this raw, authentic debate. More of this.

[@Mogely]

Roger I love that your giving knowledge seriously so much respect!

[@TheDepthsoftheAbyss]

Roger's idea of unionizing the filming industry to assure that major corporations use footage from said filmers, and thus are legally and contractually obligated to pay them a fair wage for their physical labour, equipment, time, driving, etc. would help the entire filming industry. It would be give you more work and more money. The freelance/everybody for themselves mentality is ultimately what is driving you all to fight for work, when this work should be given to you, and divided up accordingly.

[@TheDepthsoftheAbyss]

@@9Skateboard7 I suppose that is true that there would be no guarantee for more work. My point was more of the rhetoric Roger was speaking about when talking about "people shitting on each other". However, I am not that knowledgeable in regards to different artistic guilds, and suppose that they could be replicated or implemented in a similar manner.

[@eppyz]

These Guys have good chemistry together, you don't even need to be a skater and you can still enjoy and get something out of this show...You guys are amazing, appreciate all your work and effort👍

[@GunzyTech]

This is crazy to me. Especially JEs part at 15:45. It's crazy to me that he feels this way. Imagine you are working 40 hours a week, but filming a part for Nike. The skater, filmer, and ANYONE involved in making this much money for a massive billion dollar corperation should be compensated, end of discussion. "doing it for the love" is great, but when a company is making millions off of YOUR WORK, you are being exploited.

[@JonWolf]

Roger has that new englander in him, even way out there in cali.

[@exploremoreoutdoors]

Roger gave me a lot of filming advice talking to him on Facebook years ago. Glad I don't work in the skate industry.

[@crisscass25]

Do you still or did you use that advice?

[@exploremoreoutdoors]

@@crisscass25 It made the skate videos I was working on better at the time. But more importantly he taught me technical stuff that I still keep in mind when I'm doing video production work.

[@SkateboardEnjoyer]

Love this - Would love to see and hear more from the filmers and explore more of that. Have a new respect for them again after filming and sending the clips to the homies. Even that can be a lot of work so within the industry must be head melting stuff.

[@scruffyscruffill]

This is a fucking phenomenal conversation plus a much needed conversation to have

[@filmerd]

"No one can survive getting paid clip to clip". $35 is BEANS and that's probably above rate for what most companies are willing to pay for a single clip they just want to put in IG. You can't live on that. Filming is almost always part time level work unless you're doing it full time week to week and there's almost always sacrifice involved. Editing is ALWAYS where the money comes into play with video production. Filming doesn't pay the bills by itself without an edit to suit your footage. Internships are bullshit. Treat your content as gold. Don't give out anything for free. If filming's gonna be your hustle, have a price ready (whether that's product or $$$$$) & be personable. FREE ADVERTISING ISN'T PAYMENT. THAT'S A SCAM. I also blame the riders for the "give me free" economy. Too many people taking product as payment. Eldridge making the typical counterpoint that I've never agreed with. That's the same argument companies make to NOT pay filmers. I demand a "Filmer's grievance" episode.

[@HTIOGranka]

I always come back to rewatch these clips when Rog talks about the struggles of being a filmer, like he has went through so much shit and been used by companies and everything. So he is pouring his heart out, he is speaking up for every filmer out there. Chris and Steezus are the ones really trying to understand what Rog speaks about. Meanwhile Kelly and Justin just speak about the love for skateboarding, you can't pay rent and bills with love. Skaters need to be able to look at it from both sides, from the loving side and also from the realistic side.

[@byahboy129]

This is a great discussion guys just got to put it out there that Rodger is 100% right and anything that has to do with like working your way into the industry it's not the same thing because if an intern were to write all the code for a software that he's no longer an intern he's a head programmer and he should be paid like a head programmer if you're out here you know switching desks or whatever then maybe you don't get paid but if you are the guy doing the work and then that thing turns into an actual product that gets old money should be putting your hand real money because you created the product

[@marshalltheprick]

This conversation spans across many different fields of work. It's independent contracting. Passion, hard work, and money are three things that have a hard time existing in the same room.

[@semislowman]

The guy in the flannel definitely got footage for free

[@TylerHalterman]

💯

[@cleetusw]

Steezus is the man! Haha 🤘

[@ScootyDonny]

kills it every episode

[@TysonHook-22-]

Its funny watching this clip, cause theres another nine club clip thats much more recent where the team is discussing a filmer filming an amazingly captured bowl line and Chris, Eldy, Kelly (and Steez if he was there) were all blown away by the photography/bowl line and as impressive as the bowl line was they were seeminly even more impressed by the talent of the filmer to stay in flow cruising the bowl so perfectly smooth well being focused on filming the riders bowl line... and if memory is correct Rog is pretty silent during the clip just sitting there sipping beer with a giant smile on his face and once there all done speaking in bewilderment over the filmers talent Rog quickly and confidently chimes in with the "pay your filmographers."

[@SAELIOSMUSIC]

Which episode is that

[@banihafidhandrayu9145]

@@SAELIOSMUSICchris gregson maybe?

[@prontomatt4787]

Best nine club discussion ever 💯💯 love y’all

[@devonrumpel]

This is so good, Rog. Thanks for editing this clip for highlights.

[@mosatarzadeh5914]

This is a very important discussion that goes beyond skateboarding and I'm happy to see it tackled here. Literally every industry has these types of problems. Companies will always try to take advantage of the fact that you're "doing something you love", as if the only time you should get paid is if you're suffering - which little do they know, we literally suffer for our art and desire to create. I've been skateboarding for 20 years but made the transition early on into taking my photography/ videography to other industries that I also enjoyed, I've seen it all, been through it all including doing work for free early on. The thing that has allowed me to become and now remain successful was understanding my value and ultimately really treating what I do as a business even though I love it. When you set yourself up with this mindset you will gradually burn away the free loaders and "this is great exposure for you" crowd. We live in an age where content is king - every company needs it, everyone is attempting to create it but not many people are good at it. If you're good at it, get paid well for it. Also, set your prices higher than you want to, almost to the point where it makes you uncomfortable, because it's easier to offer someone/company a discount than it is to try to charge more.

[@jasonbalmaceda6579]

Subscribed ! The struggle does suck but you appreciate so much more

[@PeterTeal77]

The "do it for the passion dude" guys on the show don't understand that to even break even from equipment, transport costs, incidentals, and time (vs hours at mcdonalds) requires real cash. They think that just because their wage at 16 was a box of boards shipped to their parents' house that a grown man should accept the same for his professional video work.

[@chriscella6047]

This is the best conversation you guys have ever had. Totally agree with Raj.

[@uhtredofbebbanburg5626]

Eldy got quiet real quick

[@CatzHoek]

How American can you be? "Is Amazon international?" ... lol ;) You guys crack me up

[@deckarciocco]

Seriously embarrassing. They live in their hole.

[@deckarciocco]

"I think so"

[@spudgotbeats7745]

Big up Roger man. Knows his worth and is clearly articulate enough and aware enough of his whole situation. ✌🏼Love Roger dude ❤️

[@OhighOSkater]

I’ll always love skating, but filming is so dope. There’s not many feelings that are better than knowing you just got a great angle for the homie and made him or her look the best they possibly can

[@noobiekush]

Eldridge & hart sound ridiculous arguing compensation for work.. the love of it is a given..lots of respect lost for those two after this one

[@le_tranq]

Speaking the truth Rog 🙏. People who don't experience certain situations will never understand the struggle and frustrations involved with it. I'm a "pro" Kiteboarder and shoot videos for various kite companies, it's exactly as you describe it in Skateboarding but 100x worse (maybe more) hahaha.

[@tristancoonfare3795]

I was dying when roger just starting going off about delivering a blueberry pie with no context, unexcused lmao

[@handingloveif]

Skateboarder gets from the wheels/bearings/board, grip, shoes etc all the way up to the beanie/cap makes its helluva lot easier to do it for the love when cameras, lens, lights etc comes out of the filmers pockets and then they don't get paid... Roge was on point about it all..

[@snakefinger]

0:13 rog's face after hearing caller say “clips that got used on the air.” 🙄...here we GO ! ! !

[@cameronsafford9758]

He triggered him to bless us all with the truth. I loveeeeee that we got to see this and I am so glad I clicked this video. I didn't know how any of that worked! And I've been skating since 01. Wow. Bravo guys! And Raj your a fucking beast. Thanks man. Real shit

[@DIRTY-MERLIN]

great discussion. loved to hear rogs words.

[@RotationFilmsInc]

this is sick. love these conversations

[@SneaksandGeeks]

I come back to this video occasionally because this is a conversation that every industry. while Eldy really did annoy me during the talk (and I do love Eldy), he isn't alone in his mindset - in the real world, there are people who will perceive value based off the degree of difficulty it is to complete. To a skater, who's body is on the line, the filmer has the easier job because they just have to stand there and be ready, and to the filmer, who's wallet keeps being depleted, the skater has it easier since they just have to do what they love. The reality is that both of these guys are being shortchanged by a multimillion dollar company, because there's no transparency across the board. Ownership has been and will always be the unspoken conversation that the people in power will casually ignore - there's a reason why record labels own the rights to the music that's going out, and why film studios own the rights to the name and the content in perpetuity and across the universe, because they can pay you one time under market value and they can recoup and profit forever.

[@justinnguyen5068]

F yea, great episode! I love hearing more parts to the full picture of skateboarding

[@Darry..]

Rog I’m so happy y’all had this conversation have more like this

[@kareute5618]

roger is the greatest thing this podcast has going for it

[@AG-hp7wp]

Made a sponsor me tape when I was 12, got free stuff from local skate shop. Nothing else. People forget about the stories you can tell you kids when your old and grey, but don’t forget the million dollar deal.. like your skating dude, isn’t that something, definitely a movie I’d watch.

[@michaelgonzalez6156]

End of the call. “2020 can’t wait” 😭😭😭