How Much STR Would Superman Have? | Baldur's Gate 3

[@PanicRolling]

I keep getting comments about this, so I'm going to pin a comment explaining the numbers I used. From the DnD Fifth Edition Player's Handbook - "A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many monsters are a cut above average in most abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30." I understand that people want to use different power scales, but I'm using the exact words from the book to figure mine out. Normal humans, Adventurers, and Monsters are all mentioned by name in this quote, so I cannot accept that the 10 or 11 "normal human average" is referring to adventurers only. If that were the case, the very next words wouldn't be "but adventurers." Even though those are 2 pretty cool words...

[@krispalermo8133]

1980's & 90's child, grew up on AD&D and TMNT. There has always been snowflakes and gate keeper. Edd Greenwood, " Player characters are that world's superheroes a cut above the common tier of people." Along with my favorite, " The rules are mere suggestions to get the story going. " Point being, I grew up with a weight bench, my first gaming shop in the late 90's before WotC3e came out Had a weight bench. My second gaming shop had a weight bench. AD&D strength chart, average bench & deadlift put us early twenty-year-olds at Str:15 with +1dmg modifier. With WotC, about everyone level at Str:13+1mods. What pizz off the armchair lawyers is that dishwashers had better strength scores then what they had. Then we just challenge them to plastic baseball fight or used foam weapons. Very Few collage age males could break AD&D Str:18. Only those in their late twenties or early thirties Had Str:18 with +2 to hit and +3dmg. BUT, AD&D didn't have in system the rules to raise your ability scores with Xp like Other systems did at the time. Also from my life experience, there are no 0zero-level humans. I can explain what Hp are latter.

[@EvilAgony1]

If you drop down to DND 3.5 those stats can be much higher. Divine entities are on average in the mid 40ies high 50ies for the really powerful ones

[@gdragonlord749]

The weight limit is why I prefer the Pathfinder system. You suffer penalties for everything above light (medium and heavy loads above) and quadrupeds (or more legs) double this limit. That pack mule is probably your most valuable asset.

[@patinho5589]

Scales can also be linear or exponential

[@Rabijeel]

Not quite right according to the Rules. The most Stats are the Max - the GM is accountable to ask for Rolls or not. Also, there are Feats and Abilities that let one exeed that Values. Thoose Modifiers can only be coming from one of each Sources - 2 of the same do not stack while 1 of different Sources add up and do not multiply - even when it is saying so like in Haste. Here, it is clearly referring to the basic Movement Range and the only exeption is to use the "Sprint" Action (again, regardless from what sources this comes as long as it does not come from 2 of the same sources lkike Scroll+Spell). So most of the "Ultrasonic-Builds do not work properly, yes. The whole Internet and Playerbase is thecnically wrong - but that is not bad or wrong in itself as everyone plays as they want. Also, the Size Multiplicator multiplies - it is stated so specifically. So yeah, you can with a Char fully and soley focissed on that throw insane Amounts - mind, it is meant to be calculated in Pound, not kilo or Tons. Makes a huge difference when minding the Clamps in a Mathformula. So, out Gargantuan Brawler can throw around 60 Tons of wheight as we do with a 1kg Stone. Also, the "Common Adventurer" has different Rules - you can not apply the same Rules for a Playerchar and the Enemies at all - they are mearly references. Keep in mind, a STR16 Char kills most Commoners with one Punch - like in "Head Explodes". The World is a different one, not based in Physics rather than in "Concepts" and "Ideas" Very Powerful Entities make up and bring into existence in their Vicinity by existing and "beeing like that" alone. The thoughts can literally shape the World (literally what everyone can study - naming "to become a Wizzards") or even be Gifted with by Nature though different Circumstances. Most NPC have a Level of some sort and only thoose without any significance have none as they never did anyting significant - which grants you your first Class and Level. Most Grannys have accumulated enough wisdom and have trained enough different Things as they had to do it by necessity in their Lifes that they are elegible to take one Level in (Lore)Bard. Timmy, always Bullied and constantly throwing a fit now when poked slightly is elegible as Barbarian now as he had trained up Strengh to be "Stronger and able to beat thoose Bullies up himself". Guards often have encounters and thus get also some XP whilst their Duty - thus can have even more than one Level - even 3-5 depending on Rank and Status they have earned by their "Feasts done" aka Quests solved. On the other Hand, the "Evil Prince" that is an arrogant C**t most probally is only a mere Commoner regrdless of his Studies and Status as he bnever did anything himself. So, as a Dogs Intelligence is not compaqrable with the Humanoids Intelligence the Strengh is not comparable as well. And Checks should be made when carry more than the usual 20-40% of ones Weight - but also keep in mind, Players are considrered "Trained" and thus arte like a Soldier who is used to march and carry his Stuff for a march while the same Dude from the Gym will fail horribly doing the exact same. And thoose Checks are usually redundant and distracting for the easy flow of the Narrative - thus, there are no rolls made and the Maximu8m is assumed to be "possiblöe" - but by all means, not easy. Chars will be pumping heavily and be pretty exhausted at the end of such a March - and prolonging it will cause harm to their Performance furthermore (Perception checks are harder when pushing so hard - and even when half the Distance is done, they often can not use specific Abilities or Traits/Feats whilst doing so (when rolling Perception). So, if yoiu want something "easy" then you need to half the Distance and concider the Weight be carried properly (like in a "Kiepe") and also you probally should half the Weight for the Checks to be easy enough to be considred "so easy you always succeed". BTW: Hire a Hireling asap. Some Dude - a simple poor commoner - for carry your stuff. He may die, sure - but that makes extraordinary additional Carryweight" until you get a Bag of Holding. 1GP per day is "Superfancy" for the most Commoners. 4HP is not much, but the real Deal is when it comes to "carry the Loot home" - so after Battles. And when he dies before - no Harm, loot the Money back and done. Keep in mind, Backpacks are specifically designed for making thoose Rolls for carrying Stuff easier aka lower the DC of them - thoose are just not done/ignored my 99,9% of all Players and GMs. But, a Survival Campaign is not only "Survival" because of "no Loot, no Regen and more difficult Enemies". The Enviroment should be #1 Foe for you. So, basically, most of the stated is true - but only because People disregard the proper and more complex Rules for that as they also ignore Spellcomponents and then complain about Caster be too Powerful while most of thoose could not cast a Spell in their Setup at all without putting the Weapon away and getting the Components ready - so 2 Actions that are no Cast, no Atrtack - nothing. There is a Reason Clerics tend to have their Symbol in a Shield as well so they can use a Shield as Focus oor similar Things. Also, when considering the Rules for "Sprinting in consecutive Turns" and Exhaustion most Fights would be going very differently as well.

[@StevenJQuinlan]

"So I want to play a pop culture character, he's got a 12,000,000 strength ......."

[@KDZ_Prime]

DM: get out.

[@noukan42]

Hello Khan_The_Destroyer

[@KDZ_Prime]

@@noukan42 destroyer of what?! Fucking Planets?! Solar Systems?!

[@shanz7758]

I mean, honestly, maybe it means your character has to do strength saves every two seconds to not destroy the world by just walking on it? :p

[@CaMags_07]

​@@shanz7758 he can fly don't forget it

[@worldwatcher38]

Not to be a party pooper, but as retired Navy I have to point out that the point source force of Superman lifting a ship with his hand would bunch through the outer plating and fracture the keel. Basically the ship would break in two. It’s a weight distribution thing.

[@Shenaniloon]

Very true! To be nerdy for a second, the comics do address this, at least for Superman. The rest, less so. Superman is not relying on strength but actually using force of will and disabling the natural gravity of the object. Giving it a gravity he controls. It's the same way he flies. He is applying that to the object he lifts. It's comic book science, but it's the explanation at least.

[@ren1tro]

Its a comics thing

[@uno_3099]

its called tactile telekinesis, thats how hes able to do it

[@Zayphar]

@@uno_3099 Yes. The canon explanation(one of many) is that The Supers(Clarke, Kara, Conner, etc.) have Touch Telekenisis. Thus, Supes is not lifting the ship with is arm, he is lifting it with his mind/will.

[@the_well-known_stranger2275]

This is actually something the comics address, you see when Superman is lifting something large he doesn’t actually exert that force over just his point of contact with it, he actually extends his bio electric field to spread under the surface of what he’s lifting and more evenly exert force on it, which is why things don’t collapse under their own weight when he lifts them. Superman’s clone Superboy at first only had this ability (called tactile telekinesis) and was able to manipulate it to simulate super strength (he later got the rest of the kryptonian power set). This bio electric field Superman has is also how he flies.

[@robertt.juengel4298]

Wow using the lifting and carrying section of the player's handbook to ballpark reverse engineer "All Star Superman's" str he comes in at 33 quadrillion str score according to the math..........

[@PanicRolling]

Oh yeh, you can get so ridiculous with his numbers... he can basically warp reality in some stories...

[@robertt.juengel4298]

@@PanicRolling Oh yeah, I forgot about strange superman who held reality together after the universe ended so his friends could leave that universe to go to another in some spaceship

[@Alax881]

push drag lift is how much you can push drag and lift without a roll

[@robertt.juengel4298]

@@Alax881 and that section of the PHB does state that for lifting purposes that the amount, in pounds, is your str score times 30. So rearranging that equation to be (lifting capacity/30=str score) allows you to calculate a ballpark str score, obviously without figuring in having to roll aka feats accomplished outside the norm.

[@Alax881]

@@robertt.juengel4298 ok so this is wwhat he can lift without too much effort I dont usually read through the pfp fully so i didnt know

[@dumbghost3109]

20 strength should be enough to pick up and throw a person without using fucking enlarge reduce.

[@PanicRolling]

It should be at least enough to open a jar of pickles by yourself, no doubt.

[@lordundeadrat]

Kind off. If anything your throw should be limited by your size first. Then by your strength. At some point you stop throwing an object so much as you're pushing off of it no matter how strong you are. Sure a 170lb 30str character can easily lift 200lbs. But you'll have to lash them to the ground if they want to throw that much weight. I could argue physical reality all I want. But It's all made up game stats nonsense in the end.

[@zeehero7280]

@@PanicRolling Not even superman has that much!

[@windhelmguard5295]

to be fair mr. satan isn't a normal human either considering that his hands are large enough to hold three phone books at once.

[@zeehero7280]

@@windhelmguard5295 a man named "Hercule Satan" can't possibly be normal

[@Psilo-gn1sx]

+5 is like being a genuine champion or prodigy, like Mike Tyson or Mozart. +4 is like, an Olympic athlete or world master. +3 is a professional. +2 is a component rookie. +1 is probably the first thing people notice about you on a date

[@niko-ni6ps]

Bold of you to assume its not -2 (min maxxer)

[@TheBlackSeraph]

+1 is meant to be above statistical average in ability, and +5 is not just the humanoid upper limit, it's the top 0.1% WITH racial modifiers and/or decades of experience. A starting adventurer can have a maximum unmodified roll of 18 (+4), which means that you need to be either level 10 for two stat increases to get a stat of 20 (+5) or have a racial modifier that boosts 18 to 20.

[@disc9632]

@@TheBlackSeraphyou’d actually only need lvl 4 because an ASI gives you two plus one to an ability score

[@Matanlimer]

That assertion fails once you look at monsters. A Strength score of 20 is the strength score of a peak mortal, a Polar bear, and a huge adult Crystal dragon. The raw score is only one component of a character's physical capabilities - Size, traits like powerful build, and the Strength of natural weapons\unarmed strikes need ro be taken into account to paint a fuller picture.

[@shanz7758]

@@Matanlimer That's only a problem with 5e, since it scaled everything down. In 3e, the polar bear is 27 in strength. But I guess withing the realm of 5e, your take is probably right.

[@isaactaylor8086]

The tarrasques low carrying capacity and push pull drag score comes from a fact that is actually pretty true in real life. Large creatures use most of their strength just to move. You also have to take the tarrasques weight into thought tho, it still weighs 130 tons. It does not need a lot of strength go do damage, it just needs to throw its weight alone at things to do damage.

[@Quandry1]

which is why the Tarrasque has special abilities like Siege Monster which automatically doubles it's damage to any kind of object or structure. And it's multi attack is both frightful presence, and an almost unheard of 5 attacks with various parts of it's body every turn. To simulate that it's mere presence and body mass is doing most of the damage just incidentally by moving around.

[@PanicRolling]

I know, I love this discussion also! I watched a video someone did about the maximum size a creature could possibly grow to on Earth, and it was awesome.

[@TheHortoncrow]

Even in our world, the average human can lift the average human. The average elephant can't lift close to the average elephant.

[@PanicRolling]

I'm stronger than an elephant, confirmed!

[@CappuccinoSquid]

Hilariously one of the few realistic things about the Tarrasque. The precident of the Tyrannosaurus Rex's specific wording on its multiattack, that it can't attack the same character with both its bite and tail, which makes sense because it's a huge, long creature, is something the Tarrasque curiously lacks despite being gargantuan; the Tarrasque can bite, claw twice, gore with its horns, and swipe with its tail a creature proportionally the size of a mouse to a human, all in six seconds, as well as up to three more attacks as Legendary actions immediately after another creature's turn. The Tarrasque is an Elden Ring flailer boss, screw inertia.

[@TalZadios]

Superman closed a black hole with his bare hands, just put the 8 sideways and you've got his strength value.

[@PanicRolling]

Lol well said.

[@seankirk2713]

Ex-Paratrooper - Just give a IRL view of it, I know things have changed in the Infantry since my time, the mid 90's, but at that time my common load out as a machine gunner and anti armor specialist was between 80 - 120 pounds, and up to 150lb for shorter (1-5 miles) movements. For movements, if we were on the heavy side, the standard was about 2.5-3 miles per hour. With lighter loads (50-70lb), and shorter distances (up to 12 miles) as fast as 4 miles per hour. 4 miles per hour was the minimum pace to earn an Expert Infantryman's Badge. All those numbers aside, it would take most people months to build up to the level of fitness and very few would be able to do it repeatedly for days. A 20+ mile movement with full equipment would see as much as many of 5% of a rifle company needing some form of even minor medical attention. The Manchu Mile, 100 mile march , Commemorating the 9th Infantry Regiment's force march through the mountains of Korea, would take average person 3-5 days and would need a few days to recover from.

[@PanicRolling]

Hell yeh, thanks for the numbers!

[@InsaneFrame]

You are amazing @seankirk2713 cheers for the info and numbers!

[@aeseiri1618]

Took me 24 hours and I did need a few days to recover.... good times lol

[@dyadica7151]

Normal untrained people, such as most RPG players, are terribly out of shape compared to a normal fit human who lived in a pre-mechanical society. We can get those potential back vie intense training and skilled gear packing. Great going Marines!

[@iPuls3]

@@dyadica7151 Not to mention the legions of rome or the armies of sparta, who maxed out the average man's potential on the battlefield.

[@Cleruian]

Reminder, Barbs get up to 24 Strength with their Capstone.

[@AnarchySystem]

That sadly only amounts to 360 lbs.

[@lukkaredwolf3534]

Couldn't a path of the bear have doubled their carrying capacity by then?

[@WindrunnerB4]

@@lukkaredwolf3534yes, and so could any number of races, and we’re not talking about humans with Superman involved

[@mlmf2012]

Sadly even a goliath barbarian thats been enlarged by a spell cannot lift a 1 meter block of granite to save his life 😅

[@raychristenson6455]

Thats why they were called bezerkers...

[@saltgod1865]

This made me realize that dnd characters are terrifying. Like if you just take into account what they can just do without even trying they are irl versions of inevitables

[@PanicRolling]

Oh yeh no doubt. If you think about combat turns lasting 6 seconds each, and then realize there are characters who can attack up to 10 or 11 times in a single turn...it's nuts. It would be like a DragonBall Z fight with cuts faster than you can even see. They'd be a walking blender.

[@worldwatcher38]

Walked through the room when the kids were watching Dragonball Z and all I remember is 20 minutes of grunting and then light coming out of outstretched hands. (This was years ago.)

[@AbandonedCalzone621]

when the fictional series has superhuman characters (this is somehow surprising)

[@NevarKanzaki]

@@PanicRolling I like to think about it as a bit more than that. In a real fight, you don't just swing once in 6 seconds as a regular joe. I treat it as "could get X feasible opportunities to land a hit against a reasonable opponent in 6 seconds". This accounts for the lower number at low levels and gives proper respect to how they'd be later when they're fighting dragons, demons, and whatever else.

[@mikfhan]

Even just the first few levels their hit points / endurance DOUBLES compared to commoners. Taking a point-blank heavy crossbow bolt to the chest unarmored, and continuing to fight unhindered, even after up to THREE bolts, just at level 2. Variant encrumbrance somewhat brings carry capacity to believable levels, but tends to bog down the story.

[@gabojill19]

One thing. It´s 150 pounds while running, jumping and moving around. Deadlift is WAY more

[@robertparshall9807]

According to the way the way the rules as written are you can without a strength check, meaning little strain, deadlift 300 lbs. That would be the start of the workout and from there on you would do strength checks until you failed. That's RAW in 5e DND.

[@antonzhdanov9653]

Honestly, equipment of gunner with a machine gun in full bulletproof equipment, helmet, boots, night goggles, scopes, ammo, side arms, MRE, personal tools and medkit today ez can reach 150lbs. Tbf, today most of this equipment is stashed nearby in bagpack on positions if this is not some ops and moved on vehicles, but its supposed that if things really go south and normal logistics is F up, guy should be capable to at least do full effort march to alternative retrieve zone. Running, jumping, moving around is considered difficult terrain. It's just walking in not too dense forest, down the road, through the field or barrens. Deadlift is double this amount. Make long story short 10 Str DnD is normal jacked dude kind of strength.

[@AnkobiaStudios-bs4vg]

​@@robertparshall9807You can jump your maximum height while deadlifting your maximum weight.

[@idminister]

dnd is also medieval fantasy; so economically mostly agriculture... so avg 10str is that the average dude is a farmer; so 10 is farmboy raised str.

[@gabojill19]

@@idminister that's a fairly good point

[@jeremygilbert7989]

The only feats of strength Superman hasn't accomplished are the ones he hasn't tried yet. Dude would be the equivalent of a greater deity in D&D just minus the need for worshippers although he'd likely also have them whether he wanted their prayers or not.

[@PanicRolling]

Hell yeh he would be worshipped like crazy. The issue would be how much power AO has over him. He doesn't have any upgrades to magic resist, so he might have to follow the same rules every other God does. I'd love to read a story from either perspective, honestly.

[@OmniDan26]

@@PanicRolling depends on the Superman. Kingdom come is immune to magic, so is strange Visitor, and that weird 5th dimensional Superman in the barely talked about 2007 mxyzptlk solo comic.

[@Quandry1]

It could be argued that his power does come from large extent from having worshippers. Also AO's influence over the other gods is not technically magical. His word is effectively law of reality. There are only a couple other beings that aren't necessarily subject to it. One of which is a mostly forgotten god that let's others fulfill his portfolios and primarily just likes to spend his time in his single avatar form or record every detail of people's lives as they pass on.

[@rotwang2000]

@@Quandry1 WOTC, in their earliest days as a tiny RPG company, published Primal Order a game system that set Gods apart thanks to their use of "Primal" energy. It completely outmatched anything mortal and all it took was one point of prime to load a spell to max damage and bypass any saving throws or protections the target may have. Primal Blast was a God trying to strike you down with raw power and only Primal shields could stop it. There was a mag that published an extra for Cosmic Power, which was to Primal Power what that was to mortal magic. A Cosmic being hitting you with a Cosmic Blast was impossible to stop with Primal power. AO would qualify as either Cosmic or even a tier above that.

[@Quandry1]

@@rotwang2000 a tier above is one way of putting it. He's called the first God and the god of creation but basically all of reality is his. Mystra is magic and magic goes weird without her, to the point of creating new versions of her to sustain and stabilize itself. He's above that. He dictates the rules gods follow and has the power to smite gods. He just doesn't. He basically sits back and makes sure the gods don't step too far outside their portfolios or abuse the faith of humans too much. There are a few Overgods like him supposedly but have their own areas mostly. And he reports to a luminous one supposedly but doesn't serve them. So cosmic or interdimensional is probably a good fit.

[@ShadowMage]

In other words, an 8 strength wizard is still vastly stronger than most of us here.

[@PanicRolling]

It's like those Harry Potter memes where every character was swole as hell lol

[@richardpenn3659]

Have you seen the abs on diablo 4 wizard?

[@ShadowMage]

@@richardpenn3659 I have not.

[@tomwalker8944]

I mean I still deadlift 465 at 42 with a bad knee. Could get 585 when I was younger.

[@mrosskne]

@@camillecutler6868 You can't carry 7.5 pounds?

[@mangasaint]

Haven’t finished the video yet, but 20 strength is the exact stat given to a polar bear. Pretty crazy but you ain’t picking up a tank but a small car is possible.

[@PanicRolling]

Now imagine a Polar Bear dual-wielding tanks.

[@lordsneek2660]

You can not pick up a car with 20 strength. You could maybe pick up black bear.

[@mangasaint]

@@lordsneek2660 I said a small car, like a Volkswagen bug, it would easily flip a medieval Wagon unless it’s fully loaded. Remember, polar bears are large models which allows them double their strength allowance when lifting, pushing, pulling, etc.

[@ricklawrence2515]

There is an old DC Heroes RPG that works on an exponential system. O Str can lift 50 lbs and it doubles each point up. The 1st edition Superman had 50 STR before being revised to 25 in later versions (or being able to lift 800,000 Tons with about a 50% accuracy)

[@PanicRolling]

This makes a lot of sense, and it also showcases how he just breaks any story he's in. The guy who can lift 800,000 tons is going to punch you into red mist instantly in a fight. Cool thing is, he also moves at light speed or better. So you'd never see it coming hehehe.

[@mrosskne]

@@PanicRolling But he doesn't. There are stronger player characters than that in a game I'm running.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

You simply wouldn't ever roll for superman. He succeeds at w/e he attempts

[@PanicRolling]

Roll for Perception... Literal x-ray vision.

[@mrosskne]

Nope, he rolls like everyone else.

[@Heretowatchstuff]

4:11 I was a Marine Infantryman. 0311. We used to regularly carry 25-30lbs of gear. That’s before our packs. And 20 miles is our average hike (forced march) in closer to 5 hours. 5mph with rest breaks. Granted, we work up to that. But our packs are at least 75-80lbs. So about 100-110lbs and 20-25 mile hikes. I have had jobs pushing shopping carts in Walmart parking lots and averaged 18 miles a day. And had weeks where I was over 25 a day. It is definitely doable for average people. But I would definitely say today’s average in the US would be about 7.

[@ArmoredAnathema]

How do you stat a superhero in DnD 5e? That's the neat part, you don't! Thankfully, Superman already has a statblock in Mutants and Masterminds 3e (DC Adventures). Has a 19 Strength, which since the modifier is the score, is a +19. But he also has Enhanced Strength Limited to lifting that allows him to lift (normally, without any extended effort) 200,000 tons. If you're wondering how he doesn't just hit everything, MnM 3e separates Strength Damage from the To Hit, so while he has +19 strength, his to hit is +11 at most. Whereas characters like Batman or the Flash do not have anywhere near the attack power, but have way more accuracy to their hits.

[@PanicRolling]

I love the idea of limiting the character to make a game more interesting. Is it completely and utterly unbelievable for Superman to struggle with most DnD situations? Yes. Do I still want to play a game that has Superman in it, even though I'd have to suspend my disbelief? Hell yes.

[@Motorata661]

​@@PanicRolling I always wanted a Superman game that focuses on Moral choices and how much he has to restrain himself. Like you can use the biggest levels of strength of Superman but you see the environmental damage and you accidentally kill people if you go too far. Like a rookie Superman story where your progression is how much of your power you can release without hurting anyone

[@ChristopherJohnson-np4dv]

Also of note for M&M is that the Strength attribute isn't linear, its a doubling for each point. So Strength 0 (+0 mod; equivalent to Str 10 in D&D) is 100 lb., but Str 1 is 200 lb., Str 2 is 400 lb., 3 is 800 lb. etc. ... Strength of 19 in M&M is over 52 million pounds (2600 tons) of carry capacity. Older editions of M&M which used the exact 3.5e Strength scale had strength double every 5 points (which is what it does in vanilla 3e systems)... it just let you buy up extra Lifting Strength fairly cheaply so that your Superman-ish character might have a lifting strength of 120 (400,000 tons roughly), but only 30-40 points of that were for fighting damage (and accuracy was an independent stat) the other 80-90 points cost you 32-45 points of your 150 available to a starter character (and Superman is more like a 1000 point character anyway... though you could do a reasonable "Rookie Superman" with the starting 225 points of a PL 15 "JLA-tier" hero and a "Golden Age Superman" pretty easily at the standard 150 points of PL 10 character range).

[@mirandacecania1580]

​@@Motorata661 So basically the premise of the Invincible comics? Lol

[@mrosskne]

M&M is so bad lol

[@benom4112]

Einstein would have modest 19 STR in BG3 carrying a club, symbolic to the post-WW3 weaponry he predicted ... ... and 8 INT

[@PanicRolling]

Big ol Bonk Hammer!

[@neoburst1]

for other context compairing strength 616 captain america can supposedly bench 2200lbs giving him a roughly 73 strength stat. which marvel describes captain america as "peak human"

[@PanicRolling]

Yeh the comic book version of "peak human" is hilariously OP in a real world situation. Especially the characters who are "peak human" in almost every stat (like Cap himself). Not only is he strong enough to chop you in half with a shield, he's fast enough that you'd never have a chance to react, and experienced enough to know how you'd react anyway.

[@hexsystem7891]

Today's soldiers carry an average of 72 lbs of gear on their body without packs. Rucksacks add between 30 - 45 lbs. Specialty gear can add more and vary depending on the type of gear (demolitions 30-40 lbs, advanced comms up to 15 lbs, medic or CLS kits 5 - 50 lbs). Other specialty items can include breaching equipment, additional weapons, additional ammunitions. This means that your average soldier could be expected to carry on foot upwards of 150 lbs when deployed. During basic training, they will be expected to perform a long-distance march in full gear plus rucksack equaling approximately 100-110 lbs prior to graduation. That being said, I don't find the 10 standard to be unreasonable for a society that relies on feet for primary means of travel with limited to no technology. The average person in that society would be accustomed to walking those distances and carrying weight on their bodies such as thick heavy clothing, tools, and supplies.

[@KindredBrujah]

By the time they can do that, I don't think they'd come in at a 10 or 11 strength. Even if they were, they're not an 'average human' at that point. It's an interesting point of comparison though.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@KindredBrujah I mean a 10 or 11 would be average for their world, not ours. That said 5e does a horrible job on rules in general and it just ignores common sense.

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

Exactly, I’d bet you could take a sample of people who live in pre-industrial societies, like the Amish, and the average person there would match the number for 10STR. Anyone who’s worked on a farm (which would be the primary occupation in a DnD setting) knows how strong it makes you.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@PrebleStreetRecords Yeah I mean I shifted between landscaping/construction for almost 20 years. First time I stepped into a gym since highschool I was putting up numbers that were respectable. First day back in the gym in 20 years I was at 305 bench, 365 squat, 465 deadlift. This was at nearly 40. Even in the D&D world that's like 15-17 str. So yeah the average being 10/11 might even be a bit low if you were only looking at males if you ask me. I'd say PC rules aside male commoners age 16-40 would likely be at 12/13 str on average, and females 8/9. Would make sense if the "average" was 10/11. I know people hate statements like that, but I mean, males ARE around 40-60% stronger on average in the real world. So Jennson Nobb the village bully at the local pub having 14/15 strength wouldn't be abnormal at all in world. I think people forget that commoners might have an average of 10/11 across the board, but that doesn't mean some can't be higher, or more focused in one attribute. Adventures just happen to be closer to a 12/13 average, as they are "exceptional" people. A local tough still might very well have a stat block of level 3 19hp 15/10/14/8/8/7 though. A level 2 adventurer fighter would still completely beat his ass, but the guy wouldn't be a total pushover.

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

@@tomwalker8944 Absolutely agreed. I try to keep a few stat blocks on hand for commoner NPCs so everyone isn’t just generic “average commoner”. The 30y/o blacksmith is going to have a way different stat block than the 75y/o shopkeeper.

[@zellcrs]

Superman has what the story needs his strength to be.

[@pdonettes]

Ok, but to be fair, I carried 80lbs of gear in the army, base. Then ammo, and weapon. I did it every day. It equaled close to that 150. It isn't a 150lb backpack.

[@PanicRolling]

Yeh, but that's comparing against the average peasant in DnD. You guys were definitely in better shape than "average" when you were doing that.

[@mrosskne]

@@PanicRolling That's the shape the average person should be in.

[@bradyelich2745]

5:52 My Gramps plowed with a team of heavy horses. He could easily lift 600lbs. He would take truck to city, buy barrels of gas in 55 gallon steel drums, over 500lbs, and he lift them onto truck and off truck by himself. The local fairs stopped the anvil toss, because Gramps and his two buddies kept winning. My Dad age 70, trolled guys half his age by picking up his snowmobile and toss it into his pickup, 400lbs.

[@DirranProductions]

Every once in a while there are those people that were just built different.

[@gmailisaretard]

Heard stories about Big Joe from my old job, he would unload the 55 gallon barrels off the trucks bare handed. I never got to see it, by the time I was working with him he was already tired and trying to retire. Some of the things I DID see him do tell me he was not messing around haha.

[@djmewtwo6981]

Age 70 and lifting 400 ibs like it’s nothing? Lol stop bullshitting

[@tomwalker8944]

@@DirranProductions I mean that's just anyone that does physical labor for a living. I wasn't too far behind that up until I missed up my knee/shoulder. Even now in my 40's with a messed up knee I can deadlift 465, and carry 4 80lb bags of cement. People that WORK are a long stronger than people that "work" ya know?

[@colmortimer1066]

At the low end of 400000 str that gives him a strength modifier of + 199995

[@PanicRolling]

Sounds about right to me

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

Bane is clearly a max level Barbarian with 24 STR

[@AnarchySystem]

Not really. The heaviest weight pull we had is around 1107lb putting that human, Krzysztof Wierzbicki, with a 37 STR. And the heaviest backlift being 6,270lbs by Paul Anderson, that would give him a 209 STR. D&D characters are weak af. IRL humans would be gods among them.

[@dkail08]

​@AnarchySystem no way man. The 24 str is being able to lift that weight easily. Without strain. While being able to run normally and jump 8'. Their max weight would be a LOT higher. A guy with 24 str could probably do a single dead lift of like 15k or something insane. He'd just have to make his skill check roll ;)

[@AnarchySystem]

​@@dkail08 The record for long jump is 8.96 m ( 29 ft 4+3⁄4 in) by Iván Pedroso. In D&D You can only do a long jump of 29 ft by using the Belt of Storm Giant. By all natural means, the longest jump is by being a Barbarian with 24 ft. Normal humans would be a 20 ft. When real humans be more superhuman than your system, you know you have done something wrong.

[@dkail08]

@AnarchySystem again, that's doing it with ease while carrying hundreds of lbs. Ivan can't do that while casually carrying around a few hundred pounds. Plus the guy with 24 str could make rolls for extreme feats. Ivan is already at his limit.

[@AnarchySystem]

@@dkail08 the hardest part is lifting of the ground, moving while carrying something heavy is easier than you think. I did powerlfiting for a while and lots of my jobs involved moving heavy stuff.

[@DaBlaccGhost]

Imagine some average dude from another planet just casually moves your deadlifting working sets like it's a 5lbs dumbbell with little to no strain. Lmao, great vid this was awesome.

[@flopus7]

For the record, 25 miles per day is actually a very reasonable expectation of a soldier with pack. Even going back into history this was the norm. DnD got it right on this EDIT: to back up my claims I went to askhistorians and primary sources report 20-25 roman miles a day for the Legions EDIT2: 80 lbs is the historical weight that soldiers would carry so DnD was wrong here

[@PanicRolling]

Sure, but the pack is 300lbs! That's the part that I think is nuts. The strength it would take to carry that much weight all day long would be nuts. And then be immediately combat ready when you arrive? Superhuman.

[@flopus7]

@@PanicRolling sorry I had to edit a couple times as I googled things. Yeah the 25 miles a day would be with 80 lbs carried and be able to fight at the end.

[@AlyssMa7rin]

I think the 300 pounds includes the weight of the soldier. At least, that would make sense.

[@tylerdavault9604]

You need to factor in the encuberance rules At 300 pounds, the character could only move 5ft every 6 seconds, which means one could assume they could not run, jump, etcetera. The encuberance rules brings the strength levels closer to real life..... The stamina, on the other hand, is insane. Primarily because keeping track of that is not very fun hence the bare bone system.

[@Mage-mc7mz]

@@tylerdavault9604That’s not quite right. Encumbrance is the max a character can carry before they begin to slow down. So, a character with 20 str can carry up to 300 lbs and he would be considered unencumbered.

[@dirtypenguin7950]

In the Army you're final march is with a loaded ruck that weights about 75lbs and for 15 mile march. That shit was brutal. Now double that and and 24 miles. That is crazy.

[@worldwatcher38]

I’m very disappointed. Spider-Man was in a clip, but he deserved a shout not only for 20 STR, but also for 20 HRT (heart).

[@PanicRolling]

Spider-Man would be quite a bit above 20 STR also. I didn't put him in the 20 list because he'd one-shot those guys.

[@blackshard641]

Spider-Man infamously pulls his punches. There's a storyline called Superior Spider-Man where a villain's mind inhabits Peter Parker's body and punches someone's jaw off because he didn't realize how much Parker restrains himself.

[@Lordmewtwo151]

Don't forget INT.

[@koreydell4071]

Yeah, Spidey is nearing if not at 30 strength. If doing based on pure calcs like here it'd be above 30 but I tend to view the stat increases as non linear, closer to exponential. Spiderman is about top of the level of considering feasible before we get to "look, they're just insanely strong and it's not worth considering how strong other than knowing some are more insanely strong than others." And honestly- Spiderman could be argued to have a 20+ in every single stat... unless we throw luck out as a stat. He has a 1 there.

[@issacthompson330]

Yeah Spiderman makes himself look like 20 STR in most fights but saying his STR is 30 or less is a joke. The first thing I looked at said he lifted a 50 Ton building and that was the Median of the 3 feats I seen. As he likely struggled I will reduce it to 20 tons for the calculation (20 * 2,000 = 40,000 -> 40,000 / 15 = 2667 STR). And if you need more proof of Spidey's strength, just remember he once punched the Hulk and he FELT IT.

[@Dracounguis]

In the game of BattleTech a 'Mech can only carry 10% of its weight. (They weigh from 20 to 100 tons and stand 8-12m tall) And that's a giant futuristic robot. These D&D characters put them to shame! 😆

[@PanicRolling]

I vote that we climb inside of DnD characters instead of mechs, and then have a battle.

[@CaptainHooch]

I'm currently playing a Kobold with 20STR (23 with their belt of giants strength equipped) and they have a feature that lets them double their carry, push, pull capacity, and expertise in athletics. I knew he was horrifyingly strong, but like YIKES my little 3 foot tall wall of muscle deserves his own boss music now after you put those numbers into realistic context.

[@Oðrun]

This was some seriously delightful nerdery. I fully support any and all future endeavors in this direction. 😎

[@genghiskhan6809]

There actually is a creature that in D&D also has 20 strength that exists irl: the polar bear.

[@rehdfhdhj]

Spider-Man probably has a strength score somewhere in the realm of 60-100. An order of magnitude higher than even very strong normal humans, but not comically high.

[@PanicRolling]

Yeh exactly this. He could easily one-shot a human or some superhumans, but he isn't standing toe to toe with Thor or any of the planetbusters.

[@SteelRainz1]

Whats half of infinity? Its still infinity- got me 😂 💀

[@PanicRolling]

Math is crazy

[@koltrainz]

I think no matter what, superman would have the class feature where he rolls below a ten; it is replaced with a ten plus modifier. I think it's reliable talent or something.

[@LoboGuara5bruxaria]

TL;DW: A DnD character with 20 level strength is more or less comparable to a lot of "peak human" bruisers in comics.

[@LoudYapper]

Actually the 24 miles are walked in 16 hours as it includes rests and stops you would take for food or to recover. Its the entire day exluding the 8 hour long rest xd. Also those are just the base rules for carying capacity, there are the variant rules as well which are much more realistic as you can carry only a weight of x5 times your strength score without any drawbacks.

[@tomwalker8944]

Half the variant 5e rules are just restoring things they removed from 3.5 lol. Every time I touch 5e I want to start homebrewing and then I realize. I'm better off with 3.5

[@nopenope5626]

This was actually really helpful, put it into perspective. Figure that 8 hours travel also has some 20-30 minute breaks in there and it makes sense

[@PunxsutawneyDave]

This was great Colo. Please do more if you're up for it.

[@PanicRolling]

Thanks!

[@deathbunny1718]

I did go out of my way to make my strong boy build one time as my idea was to have a dnd superboy. I figured a baby Orc ends up getting raised by human famers would be a fun time. and came up with this. The secret to strength is all about relative size by taking a race like Orc you count as large for carry capacity and lift/push/drag. You then due to bear barbarian which doubles your strength for carry capacity , push/pull/drag, and grants advantage on strength checks. (at this point my DM thought this would be a stereotype orc build). After some campaigning and me basically becoming hercules I decided i need to speak with the gods, and subsequently multi-classed into a paladin of glory. This let's you double your strength again for ten minutes. Now asuming you just put everything into strength and have 20 you know have a X8 multiplier, this means you have a carry capacity of 20x15x8=2400lbs and an overhead press of 7,200lbs without a strength check. (at this point my dm was suspicious) then if you want to get to thirty str their is the manual of meaningful gains which can raise your strength up to 30 putting you at Terrasque numbers. if you want to get stronger their is also the spell enlarge reduce which is available to most full casters this would double your carry capacity again making your strength for one minute at a time be 30*15*16= 7200lbs, and a push lift drag of 14,400lbs (at this point my dm was terrified) and at this point your still only large... and it can go even further lets say instead of having enlarge reduce cast on you you took the fighter class and the subclass rune knight , well know with three levels invested you can become large at will for one minute , then your buddy can cast enlarge reduce on you so you are huge... at this point you have a multiplier of 2^5=32 a carry capacity of 14,400lbs , a push/lift/drag of 14 tons... for those who haven't realized what I have written only 9 levels were put into this build and with this level of strength you can quite literally drag a huge size dragon over your shoulder (for one minute, two if you have a sorcerers help).

[@PanicRolling]

I want you to know, as you were describing all of that, I kept imagining Mario spinning Bowser in circles and flinging him across the room. Awesome build idea!

[@deathbunny1718]

@@PanicRolling lmao , so long gay Bowser!

[@leoismaking]

I will say that the average marathon time across all ages is something like 4.5 hours. So the players are going slower and taking more breaks than the average marathon runner. The weight though... well, everyone hates encumbrance rules.

[@tylerdavault9604]

Yeah, if you use encuberance rules, you could get a strength of 20. a 250lb man could carry 315lb (bar plus 3 plates on each side) about 10 ft in 6 seconds. Assuming he has around 2 years of regular strength training. This would put him in the 20+ range of strength. So a strength of 20 is certainly achievable, but it'll take hardwork and dedication.

[@alivecoy]

The stats for movement ant carrying are for trained adventurers. the original numbers a few editions ago were based on what an average soldier is capable of. although slightly dramatized the numbers in the PHB clearly states that those rules are for PLAYER characters which only accounts for class leveled people. TLDR no a normal person cannot do those things. that's why Craig the bartender has 1+Con for health and no weapon proficiency unless hes given a creature stat or character level

[@unutilisateur4729]

At least, Americans didn't create their own units of time

[@PanicRolling]

Working on it now.

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

The French did. That’s why Robspierre was beheaded on the 13th of Thermidor, in the Year 2.

[@exodore2000]

Superman not only has super strength but he has a special type of telekenesis that allows him to keep things he picks up in one piece or they would all fall apart. So a character with 20 strength can lift 600 lbs, So Superman's strength stat is in the quintilions. Mayfair games had him at Pre-Crisis Superman - lift 25 Trillion Tons Post Crisis Superman - lift 800,000 Tons.

[@Frazec_Atsjenkov]

So it's safe to say his power level is over 9000?

[@PanicRolling]

Hehehe

[@jahmoymignott4081]

😂😂 I see what you did there

[@Quandry1]

pure strength wise... him and the hulk both...

[@pumpkinjack9310]

I'd love to see you cover Charisma. Idk how you are gonna calculate that. And I would also like to add as a soldier myself. I can do 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 lbs of gear. I definitely have minimum one level of exhaustion by the end of the 12 miles.

[@ecbrown6151]

Superman punches, CRITICAL MISS! There’s a 5% chance of Superman missing on any attack? Doesn’t really work.

[@PanicRolling]

Missing doesn't really exist when he can move as fast as he does. Superman gets a Crit on every single roll from 1-20. He's too broken

[@ecbrown6151]

@@PanicRollingI was thinking something similar. “Superman re-rolls all 1’s and can choose to Crit on any strike”

[@QuintarFarenor]

@@ecbrown6151 He can also choose how much damage output (from zero up to some arbitrarily high number)

[@sentryward8744]

If he missed and the punch hit the ground. Im pretty sure what ever he tried to hit is now dead

[@maxhanesworthOFFICIAL]

this is where I like pathfinder rules, hitting 10 over the dc increases the degree of success by two, turning a nat 1 into a normal success. So a character with a plus to hit as high as superman's would gurranteed hit anything even with a nat 1 roll, unless the creature had an ac in the thousands. Doesn't make sense for a fight whose plus to hit is higher than the total ac of creature to be able to miss 1 in 20 times

[@roberts.1050]

I use blade and capt. America as the model for 20-22 strength characters. But I also think that the 4 foot and 8 foot jump height also says something about the entire world of D&D more so than their listed values. I have to believe that they have a lower gravity but deeper atmosphere on their planets that we do leading to a much more "soupy" air with more oxygen and easier flight for heavier things... also causing wind resistance to bring down the super human oxygen to power movement fuel of these characters. Higher denser oxygen might also give them the endurance they seem to have, and having lived in it their whole lives they also would be adapted to it.

[@MeepChangeling]

If you can find the old Spelljammer books, we could check the gravity and atmo levels for the canon D&D settings to see if they are the same. Shame Wizards decided we can't have fun things like fantasy space travel between setting's worlds...

[@AristasTheMonsterHunter]

Me, a regular guy that, just like anyone else outside of eagles and guns country, uses the metric system: 👁👄👁

[@PanicRolling]

Metric conversion: Superman has a Metric F-ton of Strength.

[@DanielMWJ]

I find your lack of eagles... Disturbing.

[@coltondavis7022]

You know what’s funny? While most do forget the conversation rate over time, Americans do learn the metric system as well as the US custom. We just choose not to use it.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@coltondavis7022 Yeah mainly because the most used numbers... take longer to say in metric. It's faster to say "6'1" than it is 185cm. It's easier to say 1 cup, than 250 ml. It's easier to say 1 ounce than it is 28 point w/e grams. We certainly say 9mm over calling it a 0.355.

[@Gearthepunk]

12:36 your audio lines up with most of Gale's mouth and body movements it's neat

[@FiIIerguy]

You got a big brain bro

[@PanicRolling]

I tell myself this all the time!

[@honahamomoru151]

@@PanicRolling20 Intelligence to gather these information, 18 Wisdom to organize those info and 18 Charisma for presentation :DD

[@AZERBAIJANI1]

​@PanicRolling maybe homlander is better option because he is not so op and will be interesting character to make. Stats about.

[@Grizzlox]

A maxed out barbarian with the powerful build feature, that has not encountered any magical manuals, ioun stones, deck of many things, or epic boons, has the same strength as an Iron Golem.

[@Jarikraider]

I don't understand why some people say, "20 strength basically makes you a god," when it's literally just +5 on rolls. What does that make a Barbarian's capstone 24 strength, super god?

[@philiphockenbury6563]

Because 20 Strength gives you the physical fitness of an Olympic athlete as a casual baseline. For normal real world people, a 20 Strength character would be the most physically powerful person on the face of the earth. Making you almost a God Among mortals.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@philiphockenbury6563 No? A 20 str would only be a 600lbs deadlift. Real people have broke 1,000. Julius Hafthor Bjornsson (the Mountain from GoT) deadlifted 1,104.5lbs. Which according to 5e rules would give him a strength of 36-37. This is part of why 5e rules suck. With 3.5 rules the RL strongest human ever would have a strength of 22-23, which sounds far more reasonable, and the average Joe would only be deadlifting 200 lbs, and would only march with 33 lbs on his back.

[@Soloong_Gaybowzer]

I remember playing a lv 12 revenge paladin who's basline STR was 19 (22 w/enchanted armor, rings), and I absolutely collapsed the entire pelvic region of a dracolich using a flaming greatsword (baseline +1 magic blade) + divine smite.

[@odd-eyes6363]

Can someone translate the values shown to metric?

[@blazeesq2000]

1kg = 2.2 lbs. What else do you need?

[@Zeno11Salazar]

Pushing and dragging are pretty different to lifting capacity, however, perhaps it's pushing or dragging force? Because you can push or drag something mu h heavier than you can lift.

[@karieltheone]

The world record for deadlift is 1105lbs. So a 20 str for a human should be that.

[@DanielMWJ]

Nah. 800 normally. Then a d20×5% roll. Lift up to 1600 even without the "lifts as a creature a size larger"!

[@nasori4118]

I mean, there are other races aswell and not just human. No matter the race of the character, PCs normaly cap at 20, however we need to consider there are other races aswell so I dont think messuring real life feats of strength would be the best way to define DnD stats

[@tomwalker8944]

@@nasori4118 No the best way to define D&D states would just be "use 3.5" Average human in 3.5 can lift 200 lbs, and the strongest RL human would have a strength of 22 to 23.

[@gigawarman12]

Have you considered doing how stats translate or convert from other games into DND?

[@718Hokage]

This would be awesome

[@hardhatlunchpal]

Bringing up Dragonball and not mentioning Hercule on having 20 str is sad. He's one of the best humans to compare DND characters to because he lives in a world of basically superheroes and shows how inadequate humans are compared to these crazy super heroes

[@PanicRolling]

I forgot all about him! Admittedly, my DBZ knowledge is very limited. I brought up Goku just for the memes with him and Superman 😂

[@skapunker21]

what about krillin? he's probably the stongest completely human being on the planet. and he's only like 5' tall.

[@hardhatlunchpal]

@@skapunker21 Yes. Krillin is probably one of the strongest humans on the planet. Krillin however, is on a different power level. He can fly and has energy beams. Even he had to take it easy at the punching machine where Hercule did not. Hercule is probably the strongest human being not training with Sayens. I would consider Krillin's strength to exceed 20.

[@skapunker21]

@@hardhatlunchpal "Hercule is probably the strongest human being not training with Sayens." ok, i'd agree with that.

[@SpotlightKeilBlah]

dude I love this content, I'm constantly like trying to bounce this off with my friends, my girlfriend and love your work.

[@PanicRolling]

Tyvm! I'm glad you're enjoying the nonsense!

[@anilaisor]

1 thing i will add you normally dont have all your gear on a back a lot is armor that you wear and shit in a backpack that distributes the weight so makes it more manageable, not easy but i can carie 150 lbs in those conditions also dnd is a medevil world so every one works the land so it makes sense basic people being jacked

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

Absolutely. IOTV and a 45# ruck is a lot easier to carry than a 100# ruck.

[@The_Crimson_Witch]

Something to keep in mind, because of the nature of DnD's Cosmology, the sunlight in DnD is actually innately magical. One of superman's major weaknesses is magic, so he would be *significantly* weakened in any DnD setting. The sun in the forgotten realms at leas also isn't actually a star, so supes can't power up using it, so he would eventually become a super strong dude rather than superman

[@UndeadBearShark]

Superman doesn't get weaker thanks to magic. He's not practically immune to magic like he is practically everything else that tries to kill him, but magic isn't any more dangerous to Superman than any other person. The Sun not actually being a star might be a problem but the metaphysical nature of it would make predicting how it interacts with Superman very difficult. There is a chance that Sun Light from Dnd might make Superman stronger than he usually is, causing a Superman 1 million situation to occur so that Superman literally becomes a god instead of merely being a God-like alien.

[@PanicRolling]

You're right about the sun not powering him, that's a good point. As the other responder said though, magic doesn't affect him any worse than anyone else, so I don't think it would actually harm him. It could though. 100% possible. But even if he only had the sunlight he had currently absorbed when he got transported to Shadowheart's bedroom or wherever he goes...he could still move at light speed for long enough to solve whatever problem needed solving. He's like Bugs Bunny...he breaks any story he's in.

[@devv197]

Partly correct. If the Sun were magical that wouldn’t automatically weaken superman. His weakness isn’t magic, it just he isn’t immune to it. BUT if the magical Sun doesn’t emit UV rays then yes Superman would eventually lose his power. Im not too familiar with how the Sun works in DnD so i can’t say whether or not it emits UV rays.

[@George_M_]

I suspect he'd be either powerless or magically empowered, if his system can take in the magic light.

[@The_Crimson_Witch]

@@devv197 The sun in DnD isn't a star, like our sun, although stars exist. It's a god (Lathander I believe)

[@bodaciouschad]

The only ways to explain DnD human's uncanny feats of strength are either that there is either enough interbreeding that they're all semi-fae/orc/dwarf enough to have magically enhanced strength, or the plane of the forgotten realms simply has less gravity than Earth. I think that the latter makes much, much more sense when you combine it with the lore that the atmosphere doesn't end as you fly into "space". The surface air pressure is presumably about the same as Earth because the atmosphere of the Forgotten Realms is much, much taller and under more pressure. That would also help to explain how Dragons can fly- there is less gravity and the air doesn't get thinner as you get further from the ground.

[@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917]

Could also just be magical rules of physics, or simply being magically stronger than a real human. This is the game where a Lv20 Barbarian can feasibly fall from Orbit without dying. Which would kill you in even planets with lesser (at least not less than 3g) gravity.

[@tudornaconecinii3609]

It's the other way around though - the lower the gravity, the *more* abruptly you'd expect the atmosphere to thin out.

[@althesilly]

Superman is a god You don’t stat gods

[@PanicRolling]

Exactly. I always laugh when people are like "do you think Superman would beat x?" Yes. He WILL beat them. Because his stories are not about a guy who is strong as hell, beating people up. His stories are about a God with unlimited strength, who would destroy almost anyone in a single breath...living in a world he could destroy instantly, and choosing to be the best person he can be.

[@DustinDonald-cz9ot]

Many gods in D&D have stat blocks. I believe the highest str score in D&D is Thor who has a str of 92 with all his equipment and maxing at 102 when angry so probably would be a good baseline to use for Superman. Raw strength isn't what makes the gods in D&D so dangerous though, for example they could teleport him to another realm one where the sun doesn't exist making him essentially just a rather strong human and at that point wouldn't stand a chance and Superman as far as I know doesn't have a counter for such magic.

[@nuclearwaste2062]

​@@PanicRolling thats not what superman in the comics is like. 😂 He loses all the time. Its not about him being the strongest, he never was. Hes not even a god, not in DC. He doesnt even consider himself a god. Thats the stark difference between him and gods, like wonder woman. His story is about him doing the right thing all the time. He just happens to be very powerful. This is coming from a guy who actually reads superman comics.

[@althesilly]

@@DustinDonald-cz9ot No a god never has stats in DnD it is that fact that makes them a god. It comes down to the old adage. If it has stats it can be killed.

[@mobgabriel1767]

Tiamat and auril are both gods and both have statblocks(in fact auril hás 3) and If i search i'm pretty sure i can find more

[@Relly_DesperateDnD]

My man Proctiv standing over to the side, "My good man... lemme show you my mountain...."

[@PanicRolling]

They could go into business together, renovating whole landscapes and mountain ranges.

[@tcav3556]

Just remember the important part. his power is over nine thousand. And so are you for making these videos

[@zeehero7280]

are those ships in Metric tons though? because in metric tons a fully loaded Nimitz or Gerald Ford class carrier is only a little over 100,000 tons.

[@PanicRolling]

I'm not positive on that honestly. If we're being honest though, it doesn't really matter in Superman's case. He can lift literally any ship, vehicle, machine, or weight of any kind on Earth. He can lift the entire Earth with all of those things on it.

[@zeehero7280]

@@PanicRolling Yeah superman can lift the earth itself, and more. He's as strong as he needs to be for whatever he has to do. He might be a bad example for this kind of question. Maybe look into characters who are extremely powerful but not on such a crazy scale. a character like Misaka Mikoto (who would probably be a sorcerer but using Intelligence as a casting stat) would have something like 20 int just based on how smart a level 5 esper HAS to be. Understanding and doing the math for their own powers is required.

[@Movieplayer112]

I’m thinking these stat should be considered in isolation, so it’s lifting and carrying up to 600 lbs for a short distance like 30 feet.

[@fenrirlives2226]

I made Kal El a Sun Deity in my setting so this is gonna make for a fun strength showcase!

[@the_j_brett6734]

During army training before a ruck march they weighed our rucks to to make sure they were at least 80 -100 lbs. 50-60 lbs personal gear and the rest to represent plates, ammo, rations etc. Edit: That was for a 13km march (8 miles)

[@PanicRolling]

Oh, I believe it. Military personnel are definitely above average on STR and DEX because of all of the training you had to do. I didn't serve, so I will not pretend to know...but I've heard stories about people cutting toothbrushes in half to save a few ounces of weight in their packs. It has to take a toll on you, no doubt.

[@insanogeddon]

Law of Specificity. Specialist athletes basically have feats to specifically boost their areas of expertise, some might even have subclasses specific to some specialty.

[@mostshenanigans]

D&D str stats cannot accurately describe Superman who can literally lift infinity.

[@LeonGustin]

I absolutely love comparing superhero abilities with real life earth physics I had a friend that's good at math help me find out how fast and how hard the HULK needed to run and then jump to clear 3 miles. 300mph+ and 10,000 pounds of force into the ground to clear 3mile jump

[@johnhermanns5462]

Just chiming in with my two copper as an ex U.S. Army retiree of over 20 years. The U.S. Army's standard for a ruck march is to complete 12 miles in under four hours. The ruck march is a core military skill that tests both physical ability and mental stability. The average weight of personal protective equipment (PPE) for a U.S. ground troop is around 27 pounds, which includes body armor and a helmet. However, the total weight of gear a soldier carries can be much higher, including the weight of their weapon, ammunition, water, batteries, and other gear. In combat, soldiers have been reported to carry as much as 140 pounds or more. I have personally rucked 20 miles with 80 lbs of gear in about 7-8 hours or so. But that was in itself greatly exhausting. So I could probably only claim, a 9 in strength? And I amnit counting myself as any manner of military powerhouse. The majority of my fellow soldiers would have accomplished about the same. But back to back day to day without negative cumulative effects? LOL! No. Maybe i am STR 7-8 maybe. So a STR 10 "average" D&D adventurer, city guard, or peasant would rival our most elite of combat troops in simple endurance alone!

[@ville6211]

About the measly 10 STR average Joe at 3:17. One thing you need to remember is that in D&D adventurers are the creme of the crop, above average human, already at lvl1. They're faster, stronger and capable of combat from the get go. Basically you start as a navy seal.

[@tomwalker8944]

I mean not really. commons have the same stats. The issue is 5e did a piss poor job with the rules. They tried to copy 3.5, and messed up constantly.

[@gnorley]

A character of 20 strength can leap flat footed about 20 feet in the air in this game though, that is incredible strength

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

First off; nice introduction to the mechanics of strength in D&D. I don't play it (just a bit of experience from video games based around D&D), so it's useful. For the list of 20 strength equivalents in pop culture, I have to disagree with some, at least as far as 'generally' goes (some iterations may meet the criteria, but usually they will not). Batman is strong, but he's more about brains, gadgets, and skill, not raw power. I mean, he's definitely a natural 'peak human' in many versions, but no way could he run around with 300 pounds AND casually lift another 600 on top of that to throw around for giggles. Not really familiar with Crossbones, but of the people on the list I'd say only Kingpin and Bane are really a solid 'maybe', with Wolverine also being a contender (since he's still fast and strong in spite lugging around a heavy metal skeleton, with his regeneration he could almost certainly pull off the strain of lifting 600 pounds and tossing it, recovering any muscle or tendon damage immediately). All these guys on the list are pretty much superhuman (as in, beyond what even our best can pull off) by real world standards, but even a base 10 strength human in D&D was established earlier on in this video as being borderline superhuman by that metric (able to comfortably carry around 150 pounds on a 8 hour, 24 mile trek with no downsides, whereas a normal human absolutely would collapse even just attempting something like that, and someone training to do just that would have a _very bad day_ even if they managed to complete the trek in time. I could maybe say the likes of Blade, Captain America, etc. would be equivalent to a ~10-11 strength D&D human, but definitely not 20. Basically, I'd argue that the weakest on the list might be the equivalent of an average human in D&D, with maybe a few at most reaching the 20 Strength level. This is just based on my limited experience though.

[@fashdag]

Alright-- Disregarding the comic where it was stated he can lift 200quintillion tons while juiced with the suns energy, the most common number I see is 2billion tons. 2 billion tons is 4409245243698lbs, that number divided by 30 is 146,974,841,457 (rounded up) So going by maximum lift, not maximum carry weight, normal Superman's STR score is 146,974,841,457.

[@PanicRolling]

I think I could take him.

[@aligatorsandwitch72]

Ill be honest I never really thought of blade as a particularly strong character. Very interesting.

[@thegoon1353]

I've actually considered doing a deadlifting build on the tabletop with an orc and their doubled strength-based capacities. There's a point where you can run around with a literal ton of weight over your head with no problem and can lift a small car with the right tools

[@marshalsunrise6582]

Superman stats AC : Whatever the plot demands/plot armour Str : Yes Dexterity: fvk you i do what i want and whatever the plot demands Con : hehe😂 let's leave that one alone Int : Whatever the plot demands but im kinda stupid cuz i can end world hunger and poverty by mining asteroids and instantly farming enough food for the whole world but i choose to wear spendex and help a few people a day Wisdom : im the goodest boy to have ever live Cha : ???? I mean the guy can pull entire planet's while the energy he absorbes shouldn't allow him to do that He can somehow hold a black hole that isn't really a physical thing He can lift infinity while the whole sun he gets his powers from shouldn't have enough energy to allow him to do that , and he doesn't even have the suns entire energy Superman's powers are basically whatever the plot demands

[@carlosurias9255]

Don't know what to say, thanks. Good luck with the algorithm. This was a great video.

[@TankardShaw]

Ok that was fing awesome, I would kill for you to make this into a series doing each stat compared to a famous fictional characters. I'm gunna sub in hopes of this. I hope it gets lots of views. Ty so much this video rly made my day.

[@PanicRolling]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'll definitely be doing more like this!

[@hazereynolds7872]

Hey panic rolling, I really thought you nailed this video, so much so I checked out your page for more like these and realized your a new content creator. I think your doing really well for how new you are and applaud your video editing and scripts it's professional. Just wanted to give you some praise and let you know you work is appreciated, personally I'd like more content like this super heros or anime characters with true DND stats I can see being a real niche and I'd love to see it, but whatever you do keep it up your doing great 🤙

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

Beat YOU with ease. You don't know my stats. I could be Mr. Thomas Galactus Sr. You don't know.

[@PanicRolling]

True, true. We've got us a superhuman in disguise over here!

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

@@PanicRolling Shhhhhhhhhh....

[@TheLordVyper]

Best line I’ve ever heard on KZbin. “I don’t want to get into THAT. but No. he isn’t.”

[@DainnGreywall]

carrying 150 pounds is all well and good. But can they open my jar of peanut butter? I think not.

[@HikingFeral]

Have you ever done a thru-hike? A very thin person with no notable muscle is capable of carrying huge amounts of gear for double the distance of a marathon every single day with no negative effects outside of blisters and aching joints. Someone who does it all the time - an adventurer you may call them, can walk every day from dawn till dusk only stopping to pee and eat and bury their poo. If you want to find a way to add that to a campaign I think you should but it's not out of this world to imagine.

[@PanicRolling]

I have done a Drive-Thru hike...and it was delicious.

[@lastar7824]

Kryptonians may have the beast of burden ability to count as one size larger when determining their strength capacities , like a mule.

[@PanicRolling]

*slaps the roof of my new Superman* "You can fit soooo many saddlebags on this baby..."

[@KingNiros]

I love that a divine being with an attribute of 29, even rolling a one, cannot fumble. Which makes sense.

[@buhklao]

iirc from world history in highschool, romans contingents were marching 30 miles a day during campaigns, assumedly with their gear and such, so that seems like it could be where they got the idea for the forced march numbers

[@Khantia]

These ships Superman was carrying... they seemed pretty impressive too. No single point of their structure is supposed to be able to carry all of their weight. They distribute it among a much larger area.

[@PanicRolling]

That's actually one of Superman's lesser known powers. He can basically extend a force field of his own will around objects, preventing them from falling apart while he's lifting them like that. It's nonsense, but it's canon.

[@kingleong8593]

Great video. Subbed. Gonna look at your backlog now. I do appreciate that you understand the characters that you're talking about, like Superman and the anime tropes.

[@AZERBAIJANI1]

That's good video maybe you can make video about homlander stats in dnd? This will be interesting because homlander actually have limits and can you do more than str but tell homlander all stats what you think and etc. Great video!

[@Chris-eh8mi]

I actually think the walking bit is totally reasonable, even though you present it here as crazypants. It's been a few years since I was so gung ho about hiking (I live in a very shitty place now for hiking and it makes me quite sad), but when I was really into it I was carrying a 40 lbs pack and doing 20-25mi a day at 4-5mph. 3mph really is average for most people. You have to consciously push yourself to go above that I find, and I made a point of trying to push myself. I can say from experience that you can get used to this quite easily and do it day after day after day. When I was working I'd make a point of walking at least 15mi in the evenings either in the city or at the local park. During the 3 months I had prior to moving where where I am now, I was no longer working and I was hiking 20-25mi every single day in the parks nearby. I'm no amazing specimen either. If I was a d&d character, I'd give myself average con and below average strength. The numbers for walking in the manual only seem weird to people because almost no one has to walk like this anymore and very few choose to do so. But if you had to? Yes. You could, and you would not be exhausting yourself from it every day after a few weeks of doing so. I needed a strong motivation to get me to that point though, and I only started because it's the sole thing that I could do with myself to cope with my intrusive thoughts and depression at the time. It became a habit and I felt like it was the only thing keeping me alive for awhile, so I refused to ever take a day off. I eventually realized it for the obsession it had become and stopped pushing myself like that (it helped that I hate the area of the country I live in now and hiking is so much less enjoyable).

[@Al-ny8dr]

Very fun video to watch. D&D had different rules for strength years ago. You had 18, then a percentage. Like 18 (85). It was kind of weird, and yet, you could go to 19 strength and higher. Every edition changes these rules. A great game that dealt with superhuman strength was Marvel Super Heroes, which did strength and other stats that made more sense at a glance. You had, from my recollection: feeble, poor, typical, good, excellent, remarkable, incredible, amazing, monstrous, and unearthly. You also had special ones called shifts (z and x), class 1000, and then class 5000 (?) i believe. It worked well, and was easy to use at a glance. Weight lifting ability went from pounds to tons. I really think strength weight calculations need to be based off the actual weight of the thing/person/animal than a guessed number. Size sort of works, but an ant can carry much more than it's body weight. A horse can carry way more in real life than the book says. Of course, making this too complicated makes the rules irritating. Sorry. I am jabbering on here unintentionally. The point is, sometimes abstract works better, and sometimes trying to be realistic works better. I usually go for quick and dirty. In the marvel game, if memory serves, amazing strength allowed for lift/press around 50 tons.

[@Reynardnoir]

The late 80s DC Heroes RPG 2nd Edition listed a de-powered Superman (Post Crisis 1) where he is scaled down *considerably* from his peak in the 70s and arguably what he's gradually returned to now - back then the game listed his STR score as 25 (represented in APs or Action Points). The DC RPG is logarithmic. So 2 aps is twice one, 5 STR is 8 times a 2 STR etc. Superman, at 25 aps could lift over 800,000 tons without effort (but according to math he's like, over 8 million times stronger than average str guy of 2aps). Just a no dice lift. He could scale that, with hero points to twice the STAT score (50APS!) multiplying his already godlike strength by more factors than I can be bothered to calculate here. So can you get a Superman Strength in D&D? Yes, because it's fantasy, but really? ... no 😅 Great vid though, keep em coming!

[@PanicRolling]

I love it! Thanks for the numbers! Toned-down Superman: casual 800,000ton lift. 👀👀👀

[@Reynardnoir]

@@PanicRolling right?! 😅 In 1st edition I think his of strength was 50... Which Grant Morrison easily took him back to...