How Norman Osborn Is The Real Villain In Spider-Man Games (Insomniac)

[@cadeshanley218]

And come Spider-Man 3, Norman fufils his true destiny: The Green Goblin!

[@ARTSONICFAN990]

This will definitely lead to Norman Osborn being the main antagonist of the 3rd game.

[@diegodavilafritsch4430]

Not only Norman... But the Green Goblin as well (figurative speaking if just like in the movies and comics, the Goblin is a different persona from Norman)

[@srstriker6420]

@@diegodavilafritsch4430no that wasn’t true because check on Tumbler the Misconception of Norman Osborn

[@BoneSoldier0]

W sonic fan

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Obviously

[@Raidraptor_-_Ultimate_Falcon]

4th game

[@cynoflads]

Let's not forget that Octavius and Norman are working together, so that dynamic will be tested a lot in the final game

[@cooperscheider7197]

Agreed

[@KazzKobb]

I have the feeling that Carnage will bond with Octavius (Monster Ock) or Norman (Red Goblin) in the 3rd game

[@mqfii8992]

Hopefully Otto betrays him In a satisfying way.

[@srstriker6420]

@@mqfii8992yeah like pull the plug

[@AChimp196]

@@mqfii8992 Yeah, cause I don't see Otto having any reason to work with Norman. He hates him, after all.

[@Sjono]

Gotta love the difference between how these Spider-Man games treat Norman Osborn to how Batman: Arkham treated Joker While those Batman games usually had Joker front and center as the main and final threat in most games, these Spider-Man games have Norman be behind almost everything but be in the background

[@Bear-fz5nz]

Normal Osborn always been a true villain. Sure he love his family but in a twisted way norman face is just the mask, the green goblin is the true self. I really hope he doesn't turn GG in spiderman 3 cause even as himself can be quite dangerous

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Normal Osborne 😂😂

[@tronarclight2976]

There was one good thing Norman did. The spider that bit Miles and gave him his powers did come from Oscorp, specifically because of Norman's attempts to replicate Peter's powers. Because of Norman, there are now two Spider-Men protecting New York.

[@andrewm4926]

I hope the 3rd spider man game has a angry and emotional green goblin just like willem dafoes green goblin. The split personality and the evil that was written into the character is so so good

[@srstriker6420]

I think the Raimi trilogy has done a devastating impact on Spider-Man in the long run which was never the case especially with Zeb Well’s run

[@amitysluzara2022]

I'm so excited for Norman to go full evil when he becomes the Goblin

[@tomyvarghese9405]

Norman Osborn, biggest villain in the comics and games

[@epsyblue7714]

7:24 He what!? How many freaking clones of Peter are running around now?

[@pseudo2522]

I just hope that in the finale of the next game, we see Norman get what's coming to him. By that, I mean he's getting arrested and exposed for all of his crimes, not him dying or something

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah because Peter should done that right from the start of Spider-Man 2 as for he did to Otto and Martin Li

[@spiderofsparta785]

@@srstriker6420he got out of that trouble because of his lawyers, as explained in one of Danika’s podcasts

[@srstriker6420]

@@spiderofsparta785right and not that Harry getting in the way of things like in the 2002 movie to cover up his crimes because of one person

[@arandomguysshh8614]

he has been the cancer deteriorating new york city ,he’s gonna get what’s coming to him

[@andrewleyton6689]

Somebody Make a good comparison beetween Peter and Norman Peter was willing to let may die to save the world Norman was willing to let the World burn to save His son

[@srstriker6420]

Yes and to think that Harry should be the anti Peter Parker as if Peter is all about Responsibility shouldn’t his polar opposite be someone who never worked for anything and had everything handed to him on a silver platter as Harry is a nepobaby

[@MaksJonson-mh7pr]

While it is true that Norman did made these people into villains, but it was also him who help created a new hero. You see in spider-man 1, in the Osborn penthouses. We see a lot of radioactive spiders that he created. One of these spiders would end up biting miles. And instead of miles becoming a villain like doc ock, venom, mister negative, and others. Miles became a hero and became the second spider-man. And since miles is gonna be like the main Spider-Man for Spider-Man 3 (which is cool cause I love miles and have his comics) it’s poetic. Because Spider-Man and green goblin are always connected to each other. But this one is an interesting twist. Out of all people norman help creating these villains, only one became a hero. And that one hero norman help created will be the one to stop him. And it just so happens that hero became the second spider-man. Ironic.

[@SupremeAdrian23]

Yes and majority of the villains dont really had beef with Spiderman like talking about they only hate Norman and during that mj mission when she was sneaking in norman lab she was seeing spiders that Norman was trying to reverse engineer and one of them gave rise to a second Spiderman

[@PowerCore20]

Here for the VERY first time for once.

[@djnavarro3212]

To be honest I really honestly thought that he was going to be Green Goblin in the second game. Hopefully in the third game he will finally appear

[@Inredeemablecomics]

I mean, he’s kind of responsible of giving Miles powers

[@farazhamraz]

I have one theory What if the superior Spider-Man happens but the plot twist is that it’s Miles whose mind is swapped. Otto picks miles because in terms of power he is stronger and Peter is no where to be found because he is temporarily retired ( like how it said in the ending)And when Peter finds out that Miles isn’t himself he puts on his suit and swings back in action. I think that will be pretty cool.

[@Teddy3230-u4d]

That would be an amazing twist that I would love to see

[@farazhamraz]

@ thank you

[@Tylerwag214]

I can see that

[@farazhamraz]

@@Teddy3230-u4d and it will be another Peter vs Miles fight but this time, we are playing as Peter who’s trying to save Miles

[@ndy5392]

he also created carnage via creating venom and then an oscorp shipping unit containing the carnage symbiote, he also terrorized people by hiring sable and her corrupt men, leading to hammerhead getting his hands on her tech and becoming a cyborg

[@alunjones6823]

Also in the first game, Norman could've warned all those civilians at his Campaign Rally about the imminent threat. But instead, he ran away, leaving a lot of people, including Jefferson Davis, to die in the bombing at City Hall. I think that was pure evil of him as well.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

Call me crazy but I think that was one of the most unjustifiably horrible things he did. Everything mentioned in the video all has some explanation or another for why Norman did what he did (although you might not agree with it, you can at least understand it) but Norman had no reason not to tell his people to warn everyone to get out of there. Even if it was just a prank.

[@Tylerwag214]

Nah frl he did that shit on purpose

[@carlosgarza400]

Maybe what happened in Ultimate Spider-Man will happen with a slight twist

[@kwayneboy1524]

Also in the prequel book Norman Created a villain known as Bloodspider based off of Spider-Man's DNA

[@retroboy5531]

You don’t need a costume to be a villain. It’s better to hide in plain sight

[@jakethenecromorph]

Norman is a Jurk even blaming Spider Man even though he asked spider man for help to save Harry 5:42

[@johnsantos507]

Yeah he asked 2 Spider-Man save Harry. Yet he blame 2 heroes even though it was his fault.

[@nourshokr3291]

Did you know the Green Goblin decided to turn good and team up with Spider-Man? Yeah, he's now Willem Dafriend.

[@srstriker6420]

Of course he is as he created Dr Octopus and Mr Negative and potential ruined other innocent lives just to save one person so was Harry really worth all of it, I really don’t understand why Peter isn’t trying to expose him as the crook he is just like he did with the Kingpin and I really think the Raimi influence has really hurt Spider-Man in the long run especially with the Zeb Well’s run as he is not misunderstood he is probably the Devil on earth.

[@davonejohnson6036]

Your next video should be how many times Batman been rescued by his Rose gallery

[@nicktroisi6347]

Norman Osborn is just one of the greatest villains of all time He really is a snake that refuses to get his hands dirty. He’s a greedy, arrogant coward. I hope we see Green Goblin in the 3rd game

[@blankkosocal5030]

Possibly we'll see an Inferno/Goblin King game. Every goblin will be featured. Either harry will team up and become another green goblin or he'll become hobgoblin (i hope its Rodrick K so we can see that story flesh out entirely. Unmasking 4 different people as HG but only for it to be Rodrick at the very very end?!) Demogoblin, and Grey Goblin...and Norman should take the carnage symbiote and become Red Goblin They have so much to do for this game. If they take their time and truly work tirelessly, itll b worth the long wait

[@jordanwarren7864]

Honestly I think it’s the doc ock/spider-man route only cause out of all the suits the superior Spider-Man suit is looking directly at you instead of the the side like the other suits

[@theanimekid7839]

Imagine if he becomes Green Goblin while manipulating the criminal underworld(Tombstone and Hammerhead)

[@8thgod769]

Yeah I’m pretty sure this was all apparent if you really paid attention. Norman Osborne hoed Otto and mr negative so they started destroying stuff and then he tried to hold onto a sick Harry and Harry started destroying stuff. Bro does some sick stuff sometimes I wouldn’t be surprised

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah and this is why he is the devil on earth

[@KingDaeQuann95]

Great Video As Always Brodie Keep Up The Good Work , I'm waiting Patiently for The Next Video💯💙

[@kingmagikarp97]

I love your videos so much

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

Assuming Insomniac's Spider-Man 3 will have 3 antagonists since Cindy Moon's silk has been introduced to round out the roaster, the antagonist's lineup could consist of Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus and Hobgoblin. If the G-Serum that Norman spoke of could force Harry out of his coma, it may turn him into the Hobgoblin just like in the original Ultimate universe.

[@srstriker6420]

He already was Venom and making Hobgoblin feels unnecessary as everyone wants and needs to know about Roderick Kingsley

[@jasonbethea7929]

Judge: Norman Osborn the world court has found you guilty for crimes against humanity and sentenced you to death by stab wounds, firing squadron, the electric chair and more

[@MistaGify]

Insomniac has done a great job synthesising Willem Dafoe's sympathetic depiction of Norman with the ruthless bastard from the comics! Doc Ock, Kraven, and Venom have been such superb villains. I hope the studio is ready to make its version of the Green Goblin a real bastard to surpass them all as Spidey's archenemy!

[@kevin-2.1]

I love that you pointed out the Norman is the main cause of the crisis why these powerful supervillains are around 🦹. I would love to see Norman get beaten up by Spider-Man, just to show their is consequences to his actions.

[@aaronthomson3639]

What's even more messed up is unlike most versions of Norman Osborn, this guy ISN'T a sociopath. In fact, if his wife never died or his son had the same disease as his wife, he'd probably wouldn't have gone down the path he did. (I'm not making excuses, I'm just thinking how messed up that everything bad that happened in this timeline was because Mrs. Osborn died of a random disease).

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Hes gonna be goblin

[@Batarrow22]

Can't wait to see how Insomniac handle the Green Goblin

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Insomniac's Norman goes mad with grief and kills Mary Jane after he becomes the Green Goblin once Otto Octavious tells him Peter's identity. Though, if that does happen, it'll make the most sense to have Noman die at the end of the game since it wouldn't be a satisfying ending to story having him live after all the things he's done on and off screen.

[@srstriker6420]

Well I would think that Otto should pull the plug on Harry as he is no doubt the catalyst to Norman ruined his and Martin Li’s life and taught him saying was he really wroth all of it

[@FallenOne669]

Hot take: Spider-Man and Green Goblin have a better hero/villain dynamic than Batman and Joker.

[@dogioboi9]

Sorry but it’s good, it’s just not THAT good

[@FallenOne669]

@dogioboi9 Agree to disagree. The reason I say the Marvel duo is better is fourfold; 1. Joker is *just* an emotional challenge for Batman. The versions of him that can match Batman physically are few and far between. On the other hand, Spider-Man and Green Goblin are equals in almost every way. 2. Batman doesn't treat Joker differently than the rest of his rogues gallery. He is always grim and serious. But Spider-Man doesn't quip when fighting Green Goblin. He is unusually serious because he knows the threat Green Goblin poses. 3. Batman only comes across as a hero in the context of his villains. By his own admission, he is not a good man. His fights with Joker are about control vs. chaos. Spider-Man, however, always represents everything good about humanity, while Green Goblin is us at our worst. 4. There is no personal connection between Batman and Joker outside of their masks. Not having an origin story may make Joker creepy, but it removes any personal attachments to their fights that can't be replicated by someone else. However, Green Goblin is always either the father of Peter's best friend or his best friend himself. It adds emotional tension unique to the rest of Spider-Man's villains. Now, I will say Scott Snyder addressed one of my criticisms during his initial run on the New 52 Batman series, where he made Batman quite quippy until Death of the Family, where Joker was the primary villain. Bruce doesn't crack any jokes during that storyline because that's how dangerous Joker is.

[@cedricstussi4715]

I think here it matters what one values more. I think that Spider-Man and Green Goblin has always been personal. Batman and Joker are almost mythical forces of nature that clash against one another in an unending cycle. I personally like that dynamic a bit better, but I will grant you your take as well

[@Bread-j2x]

Love ya Vids 🎉❤

[@davidcase8635]

Norman Osborn wasn't even the Green Goblin yet. He didn't need to be the Green Goblin in order to be a villain.

[@alexandrefrauches132]

Much like Spectacular Spider Man, Insomniac' Norman perfectly captures what makes him Spider Man's greatest enemy: His arrogance. If Spider man is a hero who accept the responsabilty for his actions, Norman straight up rejects it, refusing to acknowloge his mistakes. This is evident in the scene in which Ock has him by the throat and is threatning to kill him if he doesn't confess what he did and Norman chooses to insult Ock. He rather die than admit that he was wrong. In the second game we see the next level of Norman's arrogance, with facing a major loss (Harry's transformation into Venom) and choosing to deny the responsability for his action, blaming Spider Man for his problems. The third game will probably showcase Norman becoming the Green Goblin, finally embracing his true self and lashing out on others for the problem he caused on himself.

[@jordanphipps6436]

Actually norman does kind blame himself for harry being venom. During the venom level norman literally says its his fault and he shoudln' have even let the suit get close to him. Also in free roam calls before the final level when he talks to both the spider man he still says its his fault. Norman knows he's wrong...but as long as he sees someonelse even partially responbile for his pain. He lashs out.

[@JoeStarDeus9x8]

Surprised you didn’t mention Carnage is going to be running around in the third game also while Norman and Otto are doing there thing

[@chadpeterson5698]

I hope that when Normal does become the Green Goblin, the Green Goblin persona and Norman pretty much have a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde dynamic, but rather than one side being morally questionable but not that bad, and the other side being plain evil. I think the Green Goblin should essentially serve as the devil on Norman’s shoulder, manipulating Norman into believing that what he’s doing is what he must do to save Harry and get revenge on Spider Man, meanwhile the Goblin side doesn’t actually care about Norman or his desires but is using Norman as a means to an end. Essentially taking Norman’s worst attributes and amplifying them while nullifying any of Norman’s positive traits.

[@scarface406]

impressive

[@NadahzNoir]

Notice this game came out pre caron@ lockdown.

[@oscarkageson-loe]

This topic on Norman Osborn shows clear similarities to the MCU Spider-Man and the spider verse trilogy as there two characters that destroy Peter and Miles’s lives. The first one in the MCU is actually Mysterio from the second film. Whilst many people would consider Tony Stark as the main influence for Mysterio’s and Vulture’s motivations, they were both treated differently. For Vulture, the Department of Damage Control were clearly ignoring the fact that Vulture had brought in loads of trucks and taken on a lot of loans to move the wreckage and that he needed the money to support his family and crew. And when one DoDC employee insults, he snaps and is held at gun point. But Mysterio on the other hand is way worse. He created a set of drones that could create illusions which Tony would call BARF and this made Beck to snap at him, he was then fired by Tony as he said that he was unstable. And Tony was indeed right as Beck then teams up with a handful of other Stark employees and uses the drones to create monsters that ended destroying several major cities all to make Mysterio a hero and to make people assume that he is the next Iron Man. But it is what he does to Peter in the second and third film that makes him the main villain and possibly the arch nemesis of Peter Parker in the MCU. After falsely teaming up with a fake Nick Fury, he teams with Peter as well as tricking into thinking for himself. He then causes Peter’s trip to be hijack and brought to Prague and then tricking him into handing over EDITH, the glasses of Tony Stark. And then he goes tricks Peter by luring him to Berlin by trapping him in illusion, blaming him for Tony’s death and getting hit by a train. He is eventually stopped by Spider-Man but not before making a fake video of Spider-Man killing him and this is what would make his arch nemesis. Firstly, he causes Peter and his loved ones to be arrested, have Jameson constantly on their tale to frame him for more murder, have every collage in the States to reject him and his friends, then causes Peter to mess up a spell by Dr Strange that results in bringing several villains into the MCU, which would eventually result in three of them, Otto, Electro and Osborn to gain Stark Tech. However Green Goblin is what set Spider-Man on a dark path that almost ended with him killing Osborn and the final straw is when the multiverse begins to collapse in on itself which resulted in Peter giving up his identity to save everyone and he could very well still have the upper hand in the upcoming movie. But we’re not done yet as there is another character from the Spider verse trilogy that I would like to talk about. And no, it is not Kingpin, it is not Prowler and sadly not Spot, it is Miguel O’Hara, Spider-Man 2099. Whilst he isn’t considered a villain he is considered as an antagonist who challenges Miles on his beliefs. But he doesn’t physically do any to Miles or anyone else, rather he does it mentally. His reasoning for doing so is because he replaced an alternate version of himself to be a dad but ended up destroying that universe due to his existence. So he orders his group of spider-men and women not to save their Uncle Ben’s, Captain Stacey’s and good knows how many endless innocent people just for the sake of the multiverse which is by is a genocide act. He also causes suffering for Gwen and Miles. He only takes Gwen in because her father tried to arrest her despite her pleas but then bans her from seeing Miles, as he considers him to be the original anomaly as he was bitten by a spider from another dimension that was meant for someone else. And whilst Gwen’s actions are understandable, she still sides with Miguel and the others over Miles and also begins to mistreat him throughout the film. As for Miles, Miguel does the most mental damage to Miles, as not only does he keeps him in the dark, but also makes his friends turn against him despite his help from the previous film and then tries to imprison him in attempt to stop him from returning to his home to save his dad. He then starts a riot and then harassed Miles as well as revealing that he is an anomaly, that he was never meant to be Spider-Man, that he caused the death of his Peter Parker (which is false) and that his friends knew all along and betrayed him. He would then betray Gwen by sending home. But there is another key fact that makes him the arch nemesis of Miles and Gwen. During the chase, Peter B tells him this isn’t what they talked about, which could very well indicate that Miguel had the actual intention to kill Miles which is a massive rule breaker for being Spider-Man. His actions would leave Miles devastated in the final moments of the film which is why he is a brilliant antagonist. So to recap: Mysterio caused the holo monsters, hijacking Peter’s trip, steals the glasses, taunts Peter, exposes him, corrupts a magic spell, bring several villains in, cause the world to forget Peter and was personally responsible alongside Osborn for the death of Aunt May. And then for Miguel, he caused that death of a universe, killing off endless innocent lives, cause Miles’s friends to turn against him, blames Miles and had the intent to kill Miles.

[@s281299]

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[@capndikkens5790]

There's no way you or Insomniac can convince me that Norman is well written. They're wasting an iconic Spider-Man villain so that he can be the Thanos of their games. The big bad villain that everyone's been waiting for.

[@brandonp.6051]

The Insomniac version of Osborn is probably my favorite alongside the comics. Willem Dafoe puts in an excellent performance, but the movies really downplay the fact that Norman Osborn was not a very nice person long before the Goblin entered the picture.

[@nobleskywalker4639]

Duh The entire plot of the Spiderman 1 and 2 hinges on his desicions from Martin Li to Otto to Miles Morales and his fathers death to Harry/Venom. It wasn't an accident. The only story Norman doesn't factor is the Miles solo game

[@KazzKobb]

Isn't the second time Spidey fought the Lizard in Spider-man 2? Because in the first game, in one of Peter's backpack, you can find Dr. Connor's blood sample which Peter explains when he fought the Lizard for the first time. Also in the Halloween party some people are wearing the Lizard costume.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

Yes, but Connor's still became The Lizard in the first place because of the flashback of him losing his arm in Spider-Man 2.

[@erlendkaarb2038]

The villians I am predicting for Marvel’s Spider-Man 3 are: Chameleon: Kravens brother. Silvermane The Flame/Carnage: Especially after Yuris storyline. Dr Octopus/Superior Spider-Man. Harry the New Goblin: with the G-serum. Norman Osborn aka Green Goblin who can also fuse with Canage to become Red Goblin like in the comics, and potentially Gold Goblin for a Grand finale.

[@sammcfarlane2494]

I can’t wait to beat this guy in the third game.

[@spiderofsparta785]

Norman Osborn’s the maker of monsters

[@dwightnorton3398]

I Agree bro

[@rossgowran8122]

I want to see Norman Osborn get put in the Raft after he's defeated.

[@Superbox647-o5q]

Norman Osborn is gonna be crashing out in the 3rd game

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

This is a possible title for the 3rd game of Marvel’s Spider-man. Marvel’s Spider-Man 3: Goblin War

[@DanialTarki]

Yeah, he seriously got off way too easy for the shit we’ve seen him be responsible for in Spider-Man 2018.

[@ericschuller908]

It's kind of obvious that norman osborne is going to be the final villain for this series. Doc Ock paralleled Peter by being an idealist and engineer who was a genius while Harry/Venom was a biologically-empowered entity with aspirations of improving the world. The Green Goblin is traditionally both a genius gadgeteer with biochemical enhancements, thus filling both caps for the typical camps that Spidey's rogues tend to fall into.

[@comicfan1324]

Something else that needs to be mentioned is his hiring of Sable. A private military force taking part in fascist activities, such as: 1. Attempting to murder unarmed prisoners. 2. Unlawfully holding civilians against their will. 3. Seizing the items of those civilians without proper warrant (and judging by how they talk, it’s in quite that they hold onto those objects and sell them for their own profit). And all of these troops were being funded by Oscorp and illegally operated on American soil. Yes I know Norman is the mayor, but I don’t there is any mayor in the country who has the right to bring in a private army that doesn’t have to follow due process. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, all of that equipment ended up in the hands of multiple gangs, meaning that Norman is at least partially at fault for that equipment ending up on the streets

[@NeedleMouseProductions]

omg I can't believe I forgot to include that, good catch

[@davidpap5369]

If they end up pulling a Superior, please let them take over Miles, Pete has suffered enough. Plus we don't want to have Miles wash him again when he "becomes evil like in 2.

[@CaptainRex767]

Calling it Peter and Norman will probably die in SM3

[@diegodavilafritsch4430]

Well maybe because he created Mister Negative, his actions causes Otto to lose his mind and become Doctor Octopus to destroy the city, and maybe because he infused his own son with a mad alien who tried to turn the whole world into a goo wasteland and now he wants revenge on Spiderman because he is so blind he needs to blame his own actions at someone else... One thing is for sure... Let's savior the daylight. Things are about to get green. Norman is going on sabathical, honey... Make way for Spiderman's greatest foe.

[@srstriker6420]

Which is why I think Peter should have try to expose him as the crook he really is as he is a self centred person with an ego the size of Saturn

[@mingfanzhang4600]

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[@mingfanzhang8927]

KFC

[@srstriker6420]

This is why Peter Parker should anti capitalist

[@abdirahmanibrahimmahamu5409]

I think Ocatavius going to be one of two final boss level

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

My only problem with all this is that Norman's motivations for becoming the Green Goblin from Spider-Man 2 are pretty weak. We saw that Harry was going to die once he was separated from the symbiote and that Miles' jolt to Harry's heart was the only thing keeping his pulse afloat. But when Norman gets upset at Peter & Miles for not doing more, I was so confused because what more could either of them really have done? Norman's really mad that Peter & Miles did the one thing that he set out to do from the start, so the "They destroyed my son." line doesn't make sense to me. Norman even said, "Just get that thing off him." to his security force. It was an inevitable outcome.

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah because Harry should have died and Peter should have said that “I’m not making any promises” but then Norman is that arrogant and prideful

[@KingBishop]

Superior Spider-Man is worthy of a cinematic adaptation, though. Besides them just having Doc Ock be a villain throughout the entirety of Spider-Man 3 would be pretty boring. So I think it should happen regardless, but that's just my take on the matter.

[@manuelfuica-martineau4940]

About the only man villain he didn’t create was Kraven

[@mask1328]

I actually don't blame Norman for making Harry venom bc to he fair it was peter that lead Harry to be venom bc when the symbiote bonded with Harry at first it never changed him it never did anything until it bonded with peter himself infact made the symbiote evil I guess we can blame Norman for bringing onto his son but he just wanted to save harry

[@srstriker6420]

Well he did ruin other innocent lives just to keep one person immortalise and Harry wanted to kill because Norman hugged Peter and that he always wanted MJ to be his wife like always he is the pettiest Human being on the planet

[@l.pricetag.5207]

Almost all the horrible things Norman does have some kind of explanation behind it. Even if you don't agree with his actions, you can still understand it. It just unfortunately leads to more death. He created Mr. Negative because he was desperate to cure his wife and created Devil's Breath in the middle of New York because he wanted to cure his son as fast as possible. As for Otto, I'd honestly argue that he was being generous with how he treated Otto. Otto violated several safety infractions and Norman kept excusing him until he couldn't anymore, and when he did confiscate Otto's equipment, Norman literally offered him a job where he'd be doing the exact same thing but with better resources and environment. Otto was just too proud to want to have to work for him.

[@srstriker6420]

@@l.pricetag.5207Otto:Tell Norman was he really worth all of it?

[@pimplimpgaming616]

I can't wait for Spider-man 3 well I have to wait but I don't like it that's why iv played Spider-man 2 story at least 15 times or more iv 100% all 6 save slots Iv 100% 3 NG+'s and so much more I LOVE Spider-man games to much they are sooooo fun and I'm good at em

[@erikbihari3625]

When and where did this;"oscorp always behind things"buisness even started anyway? Answers?

[@kazcote33]

I think Harry will become the green Goblin and Norman will die

[@cameronbrown3700]

I mean, Norman Osborn is kind of like Marvel’s version of Donald Trump, so…

[@Amin-j1d7h]

Why norman osborn looks like donald trump????

[@erikbihari3625]

Hope they not gonna remake spectacular spider man but worse. They've already botched venom!

[@RRai2000]

Bruv, it's seems that you and Marvel always has theses arguments. Why?

[@erikbihari3625]

@RRai2000 . Dude, everyone says the same;"too mutch agenda already"!