How NOT to Buy a Dump trailer! RED FLAGS & how Cheap Trailers CUT Quality pt 1/2 . 4 k video

[@Dev_Everything]

This 17minute commercial could have been summarized in 30 seconds. "You get what you pay for", "Keep it under 26k pounds unless you have a class A"

[@gmilla2825]

Thanks. I’m on to the next one ✌️

[@IYar56]

I have a fast forward. If I don't want to get ajab I can skip it.

[@Ricardargas-dy9tf]

Great. Awesome comment. Saved myself a little of time

[@Bryan-yq9pz]

Agree, thanks for saving me wasted time.

[@Kevin-lm9ex]

I feel like KZbin has taught me so much more than school ever did. I am basically the you tune good will hunting

[@Dirtmonkey]

That's awesome Kevin, glad to have you here !

[@williammcknight5419]

I feel exact same. Literally can learn anything

[@chucksmith9772]

You tune......nice!

[@freddysoriano6058]

it’s cause it has

[@jakei5033]

Seriously you can fix your truck, cook a gourmet meal, start an online business, or do your homework, its seriously as good as if gets. This makes me think how did they survive before google maps and KZbin 😂😂😂💯

[@dougtanner8749]

Good stuff Stanley! Very helpful for guys in our industry that don’t want the hassle of DOT. I’m a long time welder fabricator and how things are built, materials used and skilled welding mean everything. It will cost you a fortune to fix broken trailers from poor quality.

[@richardzacholl2152]

My experience is tube style frames are prone to rotting from the inside out. In upstate NY , the salt kills them. Also, with the temperature changes we experience, the insides of the tubes can condensate and lead to rot. I prefer an I beam or channel frame.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thanks for sharing Richard and thanks for viewing

[@scrapmanindustries]

spraying the frame with diesel fuel or used motor oil helps a lot with rust.

[@TRX450RVlogger]

Richard Zacholl i farted once

[@kubotaman3440]

Same thing happens here in Maine between the liquid calcium in the salt

[@MichaelDillin]

Interesting point.

[@machaf]

Might want to mention that all those weight ratings for DOT apply to commercial operations (operations for hire), not personal. And each state has its own rules as well.

[@Gravelbomber]

Exactly what I was going to say. Not sure about other states, but in Illinois, you have to have a CDL for anything over 16,001 lbs gvw, but can be exempted from the medical certification for personal use, as long as it's not being used commercially.

[@geoffwhittier6866]

Exactly. The statements made in the video DO NOT specify this so it's misleading. If it's for personal use and you aren't a business? Don't worry unless you exceed 26,000 lbs

[@liamslegolab5339]

Watching the video like none of this is true for private use… lol

[@67_PowerStroke]

@@geoffwhittier6866 95% of people buying these dump trailers are for business use.

[@fozzybear9114]

​@@67_PowerStrokewrong

[@maverickgood5204]

I was hoping to hear about the three trailers he had there and how much they cost and the differences.

[@trueindeed1569]

Lol

[@juancarlosmartinez-rb4pd]

Like every salesman, they believe that their product is the best 😂😂

[@aj12271]

Stan... love the videos for the most part. Have to say though, the first 5 mins of this video is you saying same thing over & over in your intro. Just cut the BS & get to the meat of the video.

[@EuroYardService]

This is called a teaser 😜

[@JohnR9965]

aj12271 all of us are not slow comprehenders. 🤣🤣

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thanks for the feedback, it helps !

[@mikefederico9875]

andy why are you being a Penis ! Stan is a good guy, i guess you are a know it all ! lol Merry Christmas

[@larrylucas5731]

I know that's right!!! (I was thinking the same thing)

[@charlesc1122]

Where I live as long as you are using a pickup truck & trailer or even a semi & trailer in direct use for farming your own crops you do not need a class a or a physical to drive them.

[@waynemizer4912]

Agreed. There is much misinformation and missing information in this video.

[@milesbunn8004]

In NC you only need a class A license if over 26k GVWR, if you are not in commerce (for hire/CDL). Class A drivers license only requires you to take the safety portion of a CDL test. Other than that it's the same license as a class C. If the towing vehicle is licensed for farm use you are also exempt.

[@michaeldankert1962]

In Michigan we have to go get a (F) endorsement on our license, then we can drive/haul anything in farming operations, as well as can your family/farm employees. The F endorsement requires a 60 question written exam with no driving test. Just FYI, the Secretary of State didn't even know the type F endorsement even existed until she looked it up. Lol

[@moparposi25]

Having worked at a trailer shop i would never trust sure trac ive seen too many broken frames and broken gooseneck arches and can verify the trailers were under maximum weight load

[@motorsports1116]

I have looked over sure-trac and they was for the most part the bottom of the barrel for many years. I'm hoping they improved but they where the standard to junk

[@simply_andreastewart]

I convinced my husband we need a *hot pink* dump trailer since he wants a dump trailer… so now he’s requiring me to do research to make the decision on which ones buy. I coincidentally found this video as my very first review video and he immediately told me to pause it and then confirmed why XYZ (that you had just stated) was correct… long story short I am really glad I found this video. Now on to the next one 😅

[@clemmersmetalworx7012]

also in Minnesota and no matter what brand I would never buy anything but a galvanized one . 90% of these trailers rot out before they ever ware out unfortunately

[@the_atomic_punk487]

Wonder if parking it in a garage would help that

[@clemmersmetalworx7012]

@the_atomic_punk487 sure if you wash it after every use too. But no one does . And they definitely don't park them inside

[@MrCrusher5000]

I have recently spoken with a compiance officer and he said that if the combined gvwr of the truck and trailer excedes 26,001lbs you need a cdl. I hold a class a witch allows me to drive anything up to 80k. I can pull a fifth wheel, goose neck, or bumper pull as long as the truck is rated for the weight i am pulling as well as the trailer. The cdl depends on the combination of the truck and trailer as well. If you excede the class c rating then you need to get a class b licence if you are only planning to use bumper pull or pintle ring trailers. If you want to pull goose neck or fifth wheel you have to have a class a licence as it goes by weight and the combination of truck and trailer. If you dont plan to pull anything over 26001lbs then you dont need a cdl, dot numbers, fmcsa sticker, or an ifta sticker. After your truck tag excedes 26001lbs youare subject to all fmcsa/dot rules and regulations.

[@larrylucas5731]

Good stuff my brother. To the point with no fluff. Hell, you should have done the video!

[@nickr8829]

That's completely wrong, the type of trailer has nothing to do with the CDL class, only the weight. A vehicle over 26,000lbs GVWR towing a trailer under 10,000lbs GVWR is what a class B CDL covers. A class A CDL doesn't cover "up to 80,000lbs," it covers ANY vehicle over 26,000lbs GCWR towing a trailer over 10,000lbs GVWR.

[@michaeldankert1962]

That's how I understand it. Nobody ever goes into detail when they describe the 10,001 lb rule. The DOT says if you have a GCWR of 26001 (AND) "KEY WORD HERE" Trailer load exceeding 10,001lb, then a CDL is required. It doesn't say (OR) a trailer load exceeding 10,001lb. So if you are below GCWR of 26,001lb, but are pulling over 10,001lb, you are still ok?

[@mattsmith9270]

@@michaeldankert1962 From what I understand if the combo is under 26,001 the weight of the trailer doesn't matter, and you don't need a cdl. if the combo is over 26,001 and the trailer is under 10,001 that requires a B cdl. If the combo is over 26,001 and the trailer is over 10,001 that requires a class A cdl. Also each state has its own rules.

[@realworldcarpentryremodeli5868]

I’m 3 minutes in and all ive heard so far is what you’re going to talk about. When do you get to it . Ughh you just said you weren’t going to waste anymore time and you’re still talking about nothing!!!!!!

[@jamest3597]

15 min in and still saying it

[@michaelmoten5916]

DOT applies to "Interstate Commerce", this doesn't necessarily apply to a homeowner. Most trailer manufacturers will sell you a heavier duty trailer, example 8,000 pound axles, and will de-rate them to keep you below the 26,000 pound weight limit.

[@jasongrinnell1986]

DOT will pull you over just the same.

[@buelowexcavating]

Good video as usual. The Minnesota DOT buys scissor hoists for their plow trucks so they can have double acting cylinders for their rookie drivers. When they lift the box too high, all the salt slides to the rear, then they can bring the box down.

[@haroldwhite7202]

In Michigan I hear if it's for personal use it does not apply

[@burtonkidd]

My dual piston dump didn't break a sweat lifting and dumping 8k lbs of block/stone my buddies single piston front dump struggled like no tomorrow trying to dump the same size load 🤔 that threw me off when he said the dual piston trailers would have more trouble dumping.

[@207Jeff]

Suretrac makes an ok trailer. I've been dragging several around for 3 yrs now in Maine. The biggest issues I've found is that the prep and paint don't hold up in the rust belt. 3 yr old trailer and it's a rolling heap of rust. Would love to see you do a video on N &N galvanized trailers. Great actual info in the video though. Well done as always.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thank you for the feedback, appreciate it!

[@nullrout556]

Does any paint hold up in the North-East though? Edit: I do not miss Michigan. I was changing the oil on my 2013 Ford Focus last weekend and appreciated that the only thing that had rust was a light surface coat on the CV axles. If it were Michigan I might be able so see daylight through the body.

[@207Jeff]

@@nullrout556 it helps of the trailer is primed. Maine is a tough environment, but for the $ how does a trailer not get primed? I won't even get into the crappy tack welds that hold the fenders on. 6 months after the purchase both trailers had the fenders re welded with gussets. This is still a great video, for the info, but I'm not Impressed with these trailers.

[@nzer57]

Our small 3000-5000kg payload delivery trucks (NZ) have scissor lift mechanisms. We've never had a problem with them. Like anything it comes down to engineering. An advantage with this type of lift system is your max tilt angle tends to be much greater than front lift systems. That can be useful with alloy decks and sticky loads that don't want to slide.

[@isaacdunson2989]

I like how he’s talking to a trailer sails guy 😂 very reliable information XD

[@jamesrussell6870]

Box beam is stronger but rots out faster in the salt belt. At least C & I beam rust can be seen to deal with, not with box beam.

[@stevenlavoie8897]

Same in Quebec... box beam rot in no tims

[@grassmankzoo1216]

The dump angle of it is very important too

[@Cbow406]

Yep if that single ram one doesn't going any higher it seems about useless

[@imbrandon16]

@@Cbow406shit goes almost straight up and down they go really high, it has multiple tubes in tubes lol

[@caitlyndicus7820]

i have a f350 dually and called dot to confirm this-if you are not making money,and track loader and trailer are for personal use only no cdl required and 26001 over does not apply to me.i got this from dot but better not have anything showing for hire like checks(my truck 13000,track loader tl140 takeuchi 9800 they said buy what ever you want but you better just be for personal use only.i live in mid missouri

[@kubotajordan9502]

great video stan! The cylinder in the front of the trailer is a no brainer down here in N Florida were we wear short sleeve pants in the winter lol I've haven't seen any with it . But may be there is some around I haven't worked in 9 months do to health issue.You always lay out all the good intel on your vids thank you for your due diligence in makings your videos!!! just be cause its shiny and new doesn't mean its going to be functional for your application.

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thanks Kubota Jordan, I appreciate that!!

[@Spencertrailers]

Get you a Diamond C.

[@ashforkdan]

The front single ram can only be lifted on level ground or it WILL BREAK.

[@galehess6676]

or backing straight downhill with no twist side to side, unlikely to find a spot level side to side and only sloping away, but could work, so there is no sideways twist in the trailer frame, and the ram

[@SkratchingCatRecords]

Good point!

[@bigj9866]

Then how come the majority of all dump trucks run the single front ram? I haven’t seen too many flat and level construction sites where these are being used without breaking the ram. I have seen trucks tip over from uneven ground, but never a broken ram.

[@thomas25082]

@@bigj9866 I seen it at a james Hardie siite

[@HiddenValleyHomestead]

OH MY GOSH I'm so glad you put this out!!! I was in the market for a dump trailer and see em advertised all over for 5gs... then I found an old Tex used, needs new tires and paint but all.functional for 3900... I bought it

[@Dirtmonkey]

Awesome! Thanks for viewing !

[@JACK-ez5me]

If you're going to talk about legally towing trailers on the road then you should do a separate video and interview a state trooper. My biggest complaints about going into these trailer dealers is that the sales guys have little to no knowledge about DOT laws, they care mainly about making a quick sale and not selling you the right trailer for you.

[@DC9Douglas]

@TrooperHoover

[@maxclement1502]

Tractor Time with Tim, Has a great video about all of this stuff with a trooper. Under truck and trailer tuesdays

[@maxclement1502]

@@DC9Douglas TTWT hahah

[@MichaelDillin]

Ask 100 state troopers the same list of 10 questions and ur liable to get 100 different interpretations based on other factors that change the answer to each question. I had a "tough guy" try to bully me in the way station, I had a letter from the attorney for my company and 4 pages of dot exclusion for our industry. The "tough guy" read some of it and stopped and wanted to fine me. It wasn't until I was "forced" (otherwise I would have to accept his ticket) to read 10 paragraphs later where the document addressed his assertion. It was hard for me cause I'm barley literate when it comes to reading. We argued some more. I told him to read the whole thing so he could get more context. His supervisor came back from lunch 45 minutes later and said oh yeah he had heard about the exemption and to let me go. That's the ONLY reason I did not get written up for a violation. Interpretation is never ending art of legal ez

[@clutchcitytrucker7064]

Michael Dillin 👍🏼

[@ehexzs10]

Been very happy with my 14k load trail dump trailer. Not had one issue. Its a scissors lift never struggled to lift. And there have been a couple times i was overloaded at the quarry.

[@grwolf272]

My 14’ load trail easily handles a 10,000# dump load. Plenty of zirk fittings to feed too. Dual hydros are a disaster waiting to happen.

[@ResidentialDirtWork]

Im seeing more and more of the Load Trail trailers here in Alabama

[@joelstanhope7231]

It would a lot better if you stop asking the questions and interrupt when the rep trys to answer . I have a class A and you are confused about many things. People should talk to dealer without the interruptions

[@nocoolname32]

rules change state by state, but are more in line when you start crossing state lines. im sure most of us have heard the craziness that CA has implemented in their CDLs for private citizens. here in ND, (without crossing state lines) i can drive a truck up to 26K and pull a trailer up to 10K and not need a CDL. But our neighboring state of MN has different rules.

[@charlesbourgeois9029]

Same in CT 26,001gvw on truck requires class b 25,900 truck can pull 9,900 trailer with no cdl however 9,900 truck can pull 16,900 trailer. We went with b wise 15400 gvw trailers for some applications however I think sure trac and pj and maybe cam are better idk it's all very confusing and everyone has an opinion just like we all have a you know what! -Charles Bourgeois Down to Earth Landscaping LLC Lebanon, CT

[@hphillips7425]

Joel Stanhope good point I agree. I don’t watch much of his videos after he demo a skag zero turn mower and was banned by the skag representative because he was running the mower hard in reverse then forward to pop the front wheels off the ground

[@tird108]

Damn he did that

[@chinahydrauliccylinder1375]

we produce the 7 tons-inverted telescopic cylinders 12 tons-inverted telescopic cylinders

[@justinvoisine8750]

Sure Trac dump trailers are awesome, dont care what anyone says. Tortured mine wayyyyyy overloaded on terrain you couldnt pass a pickup on for an entire summer. I had it hooked to a tractor and had very hard time pulling it and dragging it through places it shouldnt of been. Performs flawlessly and looks new after several maine winters and thousands of dump cycles.

[@FishFind3000]

You can buy a bigger better trailer and have the manufacture under rate it so your at the legal limit.

[@JT-qf4it]

DOT just has to weight it. Doesn't work

[@justanbaker8937]

@@JT-qf4it not true

[@IYar56]

Do you trust the government?

[@groofromtheup5719]

Pushing the 26k barrier need not be the hassle you are making it out to be. 1) a VAST majority, if not all, of 3/4 tons can haul a 16k trailer without breaking the 26k barrier. Some 1 tons can as well. 2) if buying new, have it down-rated. If you have a 10,100 GVWR truck, instead of limiting your self to a 14 trailer, get a 16k trailer and have it down-rated from the manufacturer if buying new. That will give you the heavier duty axle, tires and frame without breaking the 26k barrier. Just don't haul over the rated value on the road. I had my trailer manufacturer rate my enclosed 10k trailer to 9,990 lbs on the manufacturer's tag, to keep it under 10k. In retrospect, I am not sure what I gained other than skipping the reflective tape on the side, but all I lost was 10lbs of legal payload and a minute on the phone. On the other hand, if like the example above, you are only pushing the CDL-A barrier by 100 lbs, you could have a whole lot more of an impact. Asking the mfg to put a lower number on the paperwork and ID plate is an easy way around it.

[@jasongrinnell1986]

If I had a 10,100 GVWR truck I would get a 15,900 GVWR trailer to have a GCVWR of 26,000. This is legal all day long unless you are registered in Comufornia.

[@patrickmalley2280]

Just bought a Mid-Sota 15,400lb tandem dump. Very pleased with the build quality - especially the paint. I don't like where they placed their ramps as the mounts get in the way when dumping. Otherwise I've been pretty happy with it! Thanks for the great vids!

[@Dirtmonkey]

No problem Patrick, thanks for being here!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Great video. I just picked up my first dump trailer for making a little side money

[@josephfilben1]

Fmcsa says you only need dot if youre crossing state lines, so even if your trailer is 13k lbs as long as your gcvw is 26,000 or less youre under no extra restrictions unless you cross state lines for interstate commerce, also trailer manufactures will derate the gvw of a trailer so it doesnt require a cdl

[@jpsmith9452]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@jessmaiden3443]

I don’t know the rules everywhere. But in Kentucky I have a gooseneck trailer that’s rated at 22.5k and I have an F350 with a GVWR of 14k. Now my math says that’s 36,500 gcwr I literally went to the DOT with my CDL permit. I did even show the guy in the book where it said a GCWR over 26k lb And they would not let me take the driving test for a CDL. They said the truck and trailer did not meet the requirements to have a CDL so the test couldn’t be taken in it. I see it this way if they won’t let me take the test with my truck and trailer how can they write me a ticket. I got the DOT guys name and phone number in case I was pulled over. So I could hopefully get out of it if I had to. I haven’t had any trouble in the past 8 years so far so idk I’ve never been pulled over outside of Kentucky though

[@joshlopez1527]

Great Content! Hilarious how every time Dirt Monkey cautioned about people not buying too much trailer the tone in the salesmen was deflated. "Maaaan, There Goes My Upsell😒..." 🙊🙊🙊

[@yoski203]

on that dual cylinder trailer, if we assume the load is only on the very front of the dump box, and we assume both those hydraulic rams are 2", and attached in the middle, but perpendicular to the rotation point of 4 feet, of a total length box of 12' length and the pressure the pump is pushing is 3000psi, Then the max load limit on the front of the trailer it can dump is 25,133 lbs

[@yoski203]

Hey, I didn't have much info to go off of😁

[@yoski203]

Which assumption would you change?

[@yoski203]

@@kurtradostits7942 thats why I assumed their angle was perpendicular, 4 feet from the rotation point, I think It could be 2' its hard to tell, but I bet its a close estimate. all you need is the perpendicular vector length from the rotation point, I used 4'.

[@yoski203]

@@kurtradostits7942 lol what I meant to say... when the dump is down, the line that the cylinder would push in(force vector), follow that Line straight out till it passes the hinge. the perpendicular distance from that line to the hinge is your (wrench) length. (force multiplier, lever) whatever youd like to call it. I thought (4' ) idk maybe its closer to 2 feet now that I think about it more. Some trailers have a bit of offset. I am in school for engineering.

[@kurtradostits7942]

Yo ski I was just asking which program you don’t have to explain how much you read in a textbook

[@UnblockedOne2]

That 10,000 lb rule, check your state. It's also not enforced everywhere. You're supposed to have the medical card and all here, but it's not enforced. 99% of the trucks pulling dump trailers here don't have DOT numbers. That's the same for a tandem axle trailer. However, if you were to get in an accident & were not in DOT compliance, you can expect a bunch of tickets and fines.

[@makingtechsense126]

I watched a different trailer buyers guide the other day and the person mentioned having beefier axles but having the manufacturer de-rate the trailer so that it was under-weight but built beefier for longevity.

[@swappedoutZ71]

That's the best way to build things. Always good to overbuild a little bit.

[@seagullsbtn]

This video’s lessons apply across so many types of trailers including car haulers….

[@rgivens11466]

Stan you are the man have watched you from almost the beginning. We are looking to get a dump trailer. Big Tex seems to be pretty heavy duty here in middle Tennessee. We do a lot of drainage problems around houses and we end up digging out a bunch of shrubs and bushes to haul of and sometimes excess top soil. We also usually dig down a few feet from the top of their basement and paint the block with a tar based sealer and add heavy plastic and tie in gutter drains and a second higher up French drain. So we need to haul gravel and off huge bushes, the tall wall trailers are good for that but I'm not sure about topsoil and limestone. We haul with a 08 dodge 3500 dually 6.7 Cummins and 6 speed manual.

[@justinglock20]

Two words. Agricultural exemption.

[@S_man89]

Class B is the actual cdl requirement. If your hauling with an endorsement for more than 60,000+ lbs then you need a class A.

[@codyg7936]

@@S_man89 that is incorrect, as the law reads, any trailer with a gvwr of 10,001 lbs or more requires a Class A CDL. Class B is for single Vehicles Gvwr over 26,001 lbs IE: Dumptruck, Box Truck, think tandem axle trucks and you tow a trailer up to 10,000 lbs or less gvwr, Class C is for transporting people or materials commercially in a vehicle with a gvwr of 26,000 lbs or less and towing a trailer with a gvwr 10,000 lbs or less. A lot of people don’t know the truth and there are a lot of misconceptions out there.

[@S_man89]

@@codyg7936 yep I drive truck for a living. But it’s all the under 26,001 class. And I’m grandfathered in for my age. Not that I’m old.

[@patriotvet5569]

In the last two states I’ve lived in, if I’m using the trailer for personal use and not for a business, then I don’t have to pay attention to any of the crap you were talking about at the beginning. As long as my truck would move it, I could use it. Never once have I had to worry about DOT.

[@liers99]

In TN Dot number is only required if you are crossing state lines (interstate commerce). If you operate within a state (intrastate commerce) a Dot number is not required. Check with your state to see what your laws are.

[@Nutiler]

You literally make videos for whatever I’m working with- I just rented a dump trailer and was looking to buy one and I just saw you upload this 😀

[@HiddenValleyHomestead]

HA ME TOO! Just scored one on CL...

[@masonstansberry2625]

26,001 lbs gross combined weight rating(gcwr) is class A cdl IF the towed vehicle(s) have a 10,000lbs or greater gross vehicle weight rating(gvwr). A single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001lbs or greater or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000lbs gvwr is class B cdl. That is directly from the CDL handbook in the chart that shows which license you need. Obviously, the trailers you're talking about meet the class A requirement, but it is beneficial to specify or quote the exact rules. I can have a class B and tow a wood chipper because the gvwr of the aerial lift truck is just over 26,001lbs and my wood chipper only weighs 5,500 lbs and is rated at roughly 6,000lbs gvwr.

[@Rooftopmatty]

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about if you are saying a sure trac is a good trailer, they are one of the worst and cheapest built trailers on the market, I’d never purchase one of them ever

[@boneheadpeterson]

I have a 2022 sure trac 14k scissor dump with gravity down. Wouldn’t trade it for anything. Only thing i don’t like is the tarp system

[@darwincruz3878]

Hey thank you!! I want to open my own business first time ,I am exited but I know it won't be simple so I am educating myself, thanks God Bless dude!!

[@Ticolandscaping]

You’ll need the “easy “ maintenance on that front cylinder. Specially when you keep hitting it with logs, brush and concrete when loading.

[@muddybadgers5205]

Why are you loading it from the front?

[@Ticolandscaping]

K Gappa logs shift when loading. They also longer than the grapple. When loading from the side it’s possible to hit the ram.

[@93rwolf]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[@BigDaddysPlati]

I just got my 16x7 14k suretrac front ram and I love it!

[@oby-1607]

Thanks Stanley. I have been on the fence for a while in choosing a dump trailer to tow behind my pickup. I already have a Kenworth dump truck with a 16 yard box but need something for the lighter stuff I have to haul. Your info is being priceless to me as there is so much out there that make all kinds of insane claims but don't deliver.

[@Dirtmonkey]

No problem, I am happy to have helped you out!

[@BenJamonGaming]

A 3/4 ton truck rated at 10k can pull a 16k trailer without a cdl. GCWR is not an estimate. Its literally the exact ratings. If you are at 26k GCWR, that is not a commercial vehicle. 26,001 is the start of commercial vehicles. There are two situations where a 10,001 and over trailer GVWR apply. First is with a GCWR over 26k. If your GCWR is over 26k and your trailer GVWR is over 10k, you need a Class A CDL. If your GCWR is over 26k but your trailer GVWR is 10k or under, you need a class b CDL. Second situation. Anyone with a trailer which the GVWR is over 10k needs a medical examiner card. This is not a CDL but a doctor saying youre medically fit to tow heavy loads. The MEC applies to all trailers over 10k GVWR, even if your GCWR is 26k or under.

[@zentheshaman]

Good video. By the summer 2020 this channel will be at almost 700,000 Good stuff!

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thank you and thanks for being here !

[@Ramcat_Vlogs]

I have a HVAC company I was always under the impression that as long as it’s for “personal use” you didn’t need DOT numbers on a truck to tow a dump or any heavier duty trailer for that matter. I’m buying for for personal use and won’t ever be hooking my company trucks to it because then I heard something about needing a CDL to tow ANY trailer with a truck with DOT numbers I’m from NY btw

[@ozarkprepper1718]

DOT needs dismantled.

[@thomassoltis5862]

Great video brother keep up the awesome work god bless you and your family

[@Dirtmonkey]

Hey Thomas, thanks, you too!

[@Dan-oz4qb]

This is like a six month date for a hand job. Could have finished in five minutes if they just got to it.

[@loulehnhoff2637]

Just getting started into small excavating jobs was looking into dumps I had no idea about the legal ins and outs of dot. Very helpful video thanks

[@jollsnj]

Keep in mind, those DOT regs apply to anyone “engaged in commerce.”

[@jasonenterline8285]

I WISH you made this video a year ago.. I bought a 6x12 Forest River dump trailer for $4250 and I HATE IT!! I've already broke the threads off the hydraulic ram, the fenders fall 1" on the outer side of the tread (cuts tires if loaded to full) it won't lift nearly what it's rated to lift, ramps hang on the sides of the trailer.. I HATE IT.. but I gotta do what I gotta do..

[@jasonenterline8285]

Ohhh not to mention the knuckle where the ram is mounted under the deck, sheared off which broke the threads on the ram.. Stanley if you want pictures get at me in IG @EliteStoneWorx

[@ahbrealtyandpropertymanage2039]

Just bought a sure trac 6x12 10k the quality is so much better than the other brands I looked at .

[@farmboymechanicandracing510]

Happy to see sure-trac, have been through their first trailer plant in Markle IN, and they are an awesome place, and my high school every few years builds a sure-trac trailer in there welding class.

[@TommyRogersAlabama]

Couple of things to note: One on the single front cylinder it is susceptible to tipping to the side if you are on a slight incline to the left or right, two, You can only haul 10000 lbs without a CDL and if you get weighed by the state you wont like the fine they issue.

[@KI4HOK]

Depends on the state, Florida is straight to the 26,000lbs. Also if it is personal use it is the state the vehicle is tagged in that defines the rules that apply. As a FL resident I can haul 26,000 anywhere in the US as long as it is personal use.

[@genecoppedge5972]

The advantages of a telescoping, front mounted cylinder out weighs the disadvantages. I’ve hauled over two hundred tons in my 14K 14’ dump trailer without any problems. Don’t rely on your equipment to keep you out of trouble, rely on yourself to stay away from trouble.

[@BrianSimmons]

I suppose it depends on your state, but in most states you are fine to tow a trailer that weighs more than 10k without a CDL as long as the total GVWR of the truck + trailer is 26,000 pounds or less. (This is the combination of the GVWR "sticker" values of both the truck and trailer). The 10k "limit" comes into play in two places and it is common for people to misunderstand it. First - if your GVWR of the truck and trailer is 26,001 or more, then if you use a trailer with a 10,0001 or higher GVWR you'll need a Class A CDL. If your total GWVR of the truck and trailer is 26,001 or more, but the trailer GVWR is 10k or less, then you'll need a Class B CDL. Second - you may need a DOT number if your GVWR is grater than 10k AND you are involved in interstate commerce (ie you travel out of your home state). Of course some states may require a DOT number even for intrastate commerce.

[@davidburdett1920]

I’d disagree on the front cylinder making it tippy.

[@wabbentertainment6602]

I think the telascopic is stronger but it is totally more subject to twist and break left or right. It has to be even, not on a hill to be viable

[@bxb590]

Once again common sense and physics come back to haunt us?

[@hikehunter9572]

I am looking to buy a 5x8 dump trailer with 7000lbs axle/spindles . I would like it to be dual axle as to haul a mini trackhoe . It needs to be less than $4100. I think that 90% of the trailer dealers are crooks that try to rip people off on a daily basis. If I had the time I would build my own. Please call out the bad players. Make life a living hell for the crooks. thanks for the video. one of the best ones you have done in a good while.

[@Dirtmonkey]

You're welcome, happy that you liked it!

[@chrisegan9670]

I think there are 2 things that are irritating about a dump trailer. 1) the finish no matter what brand 2) that legally with the 7k axles putting a good size skid loader or mini in there and your over. I do like that you take the time to put the video out there to provide info....

[@Dirtmonkey]

Thanks Chris, I appreciate the feedback!

[@HiddenValleyHomestead]

That telescopic tech isnt new. I just bought a 3 axle 17.5ft dump with a telescopic front cylinder and it's a 1983!

[@SureTracTrailersPage]

You are correct, the technology is old, however it hasn't been popular, or really even manufactured, on the smaller equipment trailers.

[@HiddenValleyHomestead]

@@SureTracTrailersPage I wonder why? I know the sec I saw my trailer it was a score... Are the telescopic cylinders more expensive? Bit from a mechanical perspective like you said in the video the leverage on the other two designs is a drawback... But maybe the smaller trailers don't see enough weight to make a difference or "shouldn't " see I should say... cuz we all know guys overload their trailers all the time...LOL

[@SureTracTrailersPage]

@@HiddenValleyHomestead - Hard to say really. Production piece is pretty easy, but the overall cost of the actual hoist is the drawback. In an industry that was so competitive, i believe everyone was trying to be cost conscientious. We are always looking to improve our products and be an industry leader, and we felt like we could advance the dump industry by going to the front mounted Telescopic hoist. It has certainly changed perspectives, and more manufacturers are following the trend.

[@HiddenValleyHomestead]

@@SureTracTrailersPage Thanks for engaging!!! And that was super cool of you guys to do a video with The Dirt Monkey! I'm blown away at how popular this vid has become and how many guys are looking at these! Love hearing the manufacturer perspectives as well. I'll tell you from a consumer point of view that I would rather have spent and additional 500 bucks for a better designed setup like the front ram.. If it was 1000s more then I would consider the scissor or double bottom ram style.. but for not much more you get a better and more reliable and stronger design.. I just don't see any negatives!

[@SureTracTrailersPage]

@@HiddenValleyHomestead - Thank you for the feedback. We love the ability to interact with the individuals using these types of products on a daily basis. Often times our innovations comes from such feedback. The opportunity to meet with Stan and work with him was a lot of fun.

[@deereman2607]

I bought a CAM Superline dump trailer a few months ago. The owner who owns CAM also owns SURE-TRAC. I got feedback from him through the dealer owner I bought from, and he told me a CAM is a lot nicer of a trailer, for very similar money.

[@Durkis0077]

I just purchased my 3rd Cam Dumper.. great trailers !!

[@SM-fy7ys]

Have a sure track tilt bed for 4 yeas now every thing still works and looks brand new

[@kd0axs]

I don't know why there's so much confusion about needing a CDL. It's pretty simple if you just read the rules. Find the GVWR on your truck. It's usually on a sticker inside the driver's door. Then find the GVWR of the trailer. It's usually on a sticker on the tongue. Add both GVWR numbers together, then answer these two questions. 1. Do both GVWR numbers together equal 26,001 or greater? 2. Is the GVWR of the trailer 10,001 lbs or greater? If you answered yes to both questions, you will need a Class A CDL.

[@freddiedename9923]

Dan Bixby isn’t it only a problem if you are crossing state lanes ? Doing business in other states ? Our attorney said if we aren’t doing that we are fine and don’t need a CDL nor a DOT number.

[@freddiedename9923]

Was referring to the dot number for 10k plus *** not cdl sorry

[@kodiak4502004]

Actually if the answer is yes to either then you need a CDL not just both

[@treadlightlyservicesllc.1930]

@@kodiak4502004 incorrect, anything over 10,000 and 1 lb they would like to see o d o t number, it does not mandate a CDL anyting with gross combined vehicle weight over 26000 and 1 lb is what requires a CDL

[@kd0axs]

@@kodiak4502004 You are wrong. In order for Class A to be required, the total GVWR of the truck and trailer needs to be 26,001 or greater AND the trailer's GVWR needs to be 10,001 or greater. You can have a 26,000 lb truck with a trailer up to 10,000 lbs and you do not need a CDL even though the total combined GVWR is 36,000.

[@shawnyblaze]

Holy cow this video was full of info. I’m in the market for a trailer and I now know I need the trailer with the middle finger sticking up.

[@Observer82AB]

One can always sort through the comments to get to the actual facts. Much knowledge and experience here. The OP picks the topic but we all have opinions.

[@kubotaman3440]

Box tubing tends to rust faster from the inside out

[@jkclawncareandlandscape5880]

This is literally the best I mean best Video I can watch at this time . I’ve been looking at a bunch so far and I’m looking to buy in the next two weeks so I’m glad I saw this first .thank god for Stan 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@coltsmiff1132]

Did you buy 1 and if so which one?

[@codyg7936]

Except that if you tow ANY trailer with a 10,001 lb gvwr or more you need a Class A CDL this video is full of DOT misinformation

[@jkclawncareandlandscape5880]

@@codyg7936 every state is different though ny is combined 26k for class a

[@codyg7936]

@@jkclawncareandlandscape5880 Federally, if you’re making money in any way by hauling anything IE COMMERCIAL, and your have a trailer with a GVWR of 10,001 lbs or more, you are required by federal law to have a Class A CDL regardless of what you’re towing it with. Class A CDL covers any combination vehicle weight ratings provided you don’t have the restrictions on it for air brakes and manual...ect. Class B CDL is for a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs or more, think tandem axle trucks, dumptrucks, large flatbeds, ect. But you CANNOT legally tow a trailer with a GVWR of 10,001 lbs or more. Class C is for commercially transporting people or goods with a vehicle rated at 26,000 lbs or less and you still CANNOT legally tow a trailer with a GVWR of 10,001 lbs or more. That is the federal law. Now, some states have Class A, B, C regular driver licenses which may cover a trailer with a GVWR over 10,001 lbs, except it DOES NOT cover commercial operation of the vehicle. It would be for towing your giant 16k gvwr 5th camper for recreation which if you’re in a state that doesn’t offer those licenses like I am, your are required by law to have a Class A CDL to tow it since its over the 10,001 lb cutoff.

[@jkclawncareandlandscape5880]

@@codyg7936 yea

[@Ramdodge582]

front tele cylinders are in the way of my tractor bucket, keep it below the bed rails!!!

[@kendrickbettis3328]

Right on time brother! I’m looking to buy my first dump trailer this week and I was wondering what to look for. Thanks for the info!!

[@Dirtmonkey]

Awesome! Happy to help, good luck man 👍

[@heidileonez7656]

The way to get around the dot thing is just put “not for hire” on it and they won’t mess with you. They can’t prove or disprove what you’re actually using it for anyways. If you want to be by the book that’s cool too but that’s the way around it. It tells them it’s privately used equipment therefore it’s exempt

[@wendymangas5973]

I have a suretrac trailer and I just love it, it's a 14 ft. land scape that haul fire wood, mulch and golf carts.

[@mattwilson7716]

This is the type of salesman you want to avoid.

[@KansanWolf]

What is the max angle of dump for each type? Telescopic seems pretty limited. Other two have much more range. Might need to do some extra shoveling anyway.

[@anthonydalesandro145]

That is a fantastic question

[@Dirtmonkey]

I'll let suretrac answer that but from what Ive seen after using it we don't have to shovel. it empties pretty good.

[@SureTracTrailersPage]

The dump angle will vary slightly based on size of the trailer, but 45 degrees is the average dump angle. The variance would be 2-3 degrees.

[@jamesmerkel9442]

Future of trailing is combining wreaker & tilt when poss 1 prt of dump trailer & then just hving 3 cylinders all working together to dump like I require to fly for new 18' & up passenger planes Always trying to do better then current 1 or 2 prop smack or tired word.

[@wcmwfab935]

Being a welder, those were not welds. That was a rolling hazzard

[@freddiedename9923]

Need a CDL if : the vehicle that hauls is over 10,001 Need a CDL if both vehicles are over 26 k and 1 lb Need a DOT # if over 10,001 lbs doing BUSiNESS across state lines ( in PA you only need this if transporting hazardous material and more than 15 passengers for compensation, we aren’t required DOT nor CDL if under 26,001 when we cross state lines for business we are required to obtain DOT number ) Do not need a CDL if you are a farmer or own a farm and or family or employees are within 150 mile radius from the farm, on the nursery going to and from the from nursery are agriculture establishment No CDL if it’s an Rv need a CDL if passenger vehicle over 16 passengers.

[@charlesc1122]

It depends on what you are going to be using it for & in what state. Direct use for crop farming differs from state to state.

[@Ham68229]

@@charlesc1122 interesting since a lot of local area farmers in my area run semi's without CDL's. Since it's NOT a "commercial" haul, don't need one. However, hauling for someone else, even another farmer, yes, it's required. Strange how the law works.

[@ericgrady1797]

If it’s not for hire you don’t need no dot numbers or cdl.

[@SithLordmatthew]

When I bought my dump trailer the 10k limit was very important my Rams are 16000 gvw 4500s so the cam superline was rated for 11,950 but when we ordered ours we had it factory derated to 9990 gave us the trailer we wanted and avoided CDL

[@daddyboyz2]

So does it have to be 10000 with the truck, or just trailer to avoid dot guidelines

[@SithLordmatthew]

@@daddyboyz2 Any trailer over 10k requires a CDL. The Dot is something else some states its any combined truck and trailer over 10k. In CT is anything over 18k so we required to have Dot not a CDL. My truck at 16k is exempt from DOT unless its towing something over 2k then it is over 18k.

[@richarderickson5965]

One thing that you are not talking about is, not all states require you to have a CDL license to go over the 26000 pound rating. In my state if you are a farmer, you are not required to have a CDL license to go over that 26000 pound limit. A farmer can have a 18-wheeler and have a grain trailer loaded up to 80,000 lb and not be required to have a CDL as long as they are not leaving the state.

[@briturner11]

this man spent the first 5 minutes of the video telling me what he was going to tell me.

[@tjsbbi]

"Already overloaded you with information". 😂

[@spikeman68]

we sell bwise,bri-mar trailers,they are pretty good trailers for the $,seem to hold up well,we have alot of customers who get the bed lined(rhino),or similar,and it seems to help,the hydraulics hold up well,as long as you dont over load you are all set,i love it when customers say oh you can over load it will work it,well,dont overload your trailer,the manufactures are very tough when it comes to that and will not warranty anything if they believe its over loaded.keep your tire pressures set to tires psi,grease is easy,do it often,rinse/wash when you can.....my 2 cents

[@jon63ill1]

I use a straight truck with scissor lift and it’s fast compared to my other truck with front cylinder lift.

[@TBONESIDEOFLIFE]

When I had my business, I had two 12' Pequea trailers 02' models. they are still going strong! and the guy who bought them is rough on equipment. you know the type, the one you won't trust with a shovel or an 8 pack of crayons by themselves. enough said.

[@hhazelhoff1363]

If your haul construction waste they all work fine with a decent battery. When your hauling rock, sand concrete the lift system matters significantly.

[@drewd7824]

Can someone just put the list of characteristics to make sure trailer has and list to make sure trailer does not have???

[@j.p.2764]

I like the idea of the telescoping ram, but I'm concerned that when the ram needs seals or maintenance there seems to be an inexperience and confusion issue among the mechanics who work on them because they are more complex. Repair of the telescoping ram could be a nightmare?

[@bretranalli4012]

I use BRI -Mar dump trailers. Mine has over 400,000 miles on it. Best there is !!!!

[@10UPn2DOWN]

Good video especially for you mid western farm fly over states with Motor vehicle enforcement around every grain elevator :)

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

the front lift trailer is the most solid option, but it doesn't look like it would have the same lift height as the other two options ( which is why i would think they were more popular before ).

[@SureTracTrailersPage]

all three hoists have a very comparable dump angle. The angle will also depend on the size of trailer, but all will average about 45 degrees, with a variance of maybe 2-3 degrees (give or take).

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

@@SureTracTrailersPage 👍🏽👍🏻good to know.

[@D_Cali_Life]

I have a 2009 Chevrolet c4500 Flatbed Pulling 26k trailers. My vehicle was registered as personal rig for farm/ranch. And had DOT stickers and "Not For Hire" Decal Never got pulled over or checked at scales. CHP doesn't bother you.