How NOT To Remove A Harley Clutch Hub

I wanted to show you guys the damaged clutch hub off my dad’s bike as an example of how doing a simple job with improper tools can really mess up some very important components on a motorcycle, or any machine for that matter. But luckily we were able to save this one! Proper tools, good workmanship and attention to detail go a long way in making sure you will be rolling down the road safely.
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[@ClassicRider]

It does not look like a Honda ! - Yes I see the Warp - It looks okay - Im surprised you did not use heat - btw HB !

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Definitely not a Honda!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC I assume you could not use heat because it looks to me like they was a layer of Clutch Material or rubber on that flat plate area. That's why you were using a piece of flat stock to spread the load of the crescent wrench out over a larger area.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

@@mikeskidmore6754you assume correctly! The flat bar helps to spread the load and prevent the that fragile layer from being broken from the pressure of the wrench.

[@vangoodwin7335]

Metal and steel have memory, heat does not lend itself well to the process of straightening or flattening.

[@RelativeGravityOrion]

@@vangoodwin7335 Thanks !

[@FlipandTheBlueMule]

Your Dad is Awesome ... whole lotta knowledge

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

No doubt!

[@79IT175]

Your Dad is such a good teacher, a wealth of knowledge. My Dad and I would have spent the whole time arguing 😂 Keep on learning from him and teaching us at the same time.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

I plan to keep doing just that 😃

[@SaddleTrampTV]

That hub puller was the first tool I bought after getting my shovel. Every shovel owner should have one of those. A must have.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yup!!

[@wcraiderevo8078]

You were the first person I thought of.

[@markdurham7046]

Fantastic save.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks!

[@scottstewart6740]

Jim's tools are the best motorcycle tools I've ever used. Snap on too. Good tools ain't cheap and cheap tools ain't good.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

True that!

[@jd9308]

I'm glad it was only cattiwompus and not fubar'ed! Making do with the wrong thing will only lead to a bigger problem in the long run. I have used the wrong tools on things before. It did not work out like I thought it would. But, I lived and learned and ended up costing me more money in the long run. Glad y'all got it straightened out! Can't wait for that shovel to be up and running! Ride and stay safe up in your beautiful B.C.! Peace!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

I cannot wait to ride this thing! And yep, the tool probably costs about as much as having to replace the part.

[@peterwall4739]

Great tip there Angel..👍

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks 👍

[@chipmartin7608]

I love these videos; they're very educational. I learn more by watching you and Grease's Garage and Billy Lane than almost any other way.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😄

[@r.a.gilbert7623]

Thank you for showing the correct use of tool's ! been there done that !

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Good tools are a must for some jobs!

[@arthurleino]

When I had my Shovelhead in Japan, a clutch hub puller I got.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Good job 👍

[@smithgroove945]

Yep case solved Chief Mech👍

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

You bet ya

[@daveco1270]

Good to know. Ive used those claw style pullers before but only to pull off an old Triumph rotor that was going in the trash (so I could put a new one on.)

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😎 👍

[@robertaviles7073]

That bike loves u guys😅

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

It better! lol

[@junkazama9149]

nice great information keep videos coming

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks, will do!

[@vangoodwin7335]

The real beauty of any motorcycle's clutch over a four wheel vehicle is it's durability when sitting in the "friction zone"! Automobile clutches get hot and torn up where a motorcycle's clutch will withstand the abuse- AS LONG AS IT'S IN PRIME SHAPE. Great work Red, that clutch should last several thousand miles from the care you and your Dad put into it. The older bikes had much better and stronger parts than the modern ones. Gotta Love old scoots. With Love and Respect, You are in my prayers Hoka Hey

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

And the older ones are so much easier to figure out and work on!

[@gregorykucera4235]

I sure am glad you saved that I would have tried to save it as well my friend Great job,Have a nice day.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks!

[@johndcunninghamjr4111]

I really hope you two get that bike done in time ,it would be grate to see you and your dad ride together. I truly think that would be awesome. Peace

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

I hope so too!

[@user-hz6rf6po7z]

So true majority of people would have missed that. I’ve seen improper tools used a lot working on cars for 50 yrs😎Dave H

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yep, some things you really gotta look for to see!

[@db13401]

Made my own hub puller ....after I bent my first hub.....thank God I had a hydraulic press and patience

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Good stuff!!

[@richc767]

Propper tools not only make the job easier they prevent causing damage and costing a lot more to repair. Nice work getting the hub straight.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

So true!

[@snakeboren4814]

Awesome Red Angel.... Goddess !!!!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😃😃😃

[@snakeboren4814]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC Thx. ...U ROCK 🎸 !!!!

[@warrenp2022]

Thanks for the knowledge, I have a hub in my collection that suffered from a three jaw puller. I kept it in case some smart person knew how to fix it. Now I can try my luck and hopefully have another good spare.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Glad it helped! When we were doing this, I held the puller down in the press while my dad worked the wrench. So you may need an extra hand if you try fixing yours.

[@warrenp2022]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC Thanks. Extra hands are hard to find around here, my cat and dog friends don't have thumbs. 🤐

[@hippytrev7452]

well spotted Red ... cheers

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks Trev 🍻

[@ckthompson7928]

First thing my grandpa taught me..... There's a tool for every job. He taught me that at 11 years old, by starting his 68 Mercury and having me pull a plug wire off the distributor. Lit me up. He grabbed a pair of plug wire pliers. As he pulled each wire and showed me what good Blue spark looked like. Burned it into my mind so well.... At last count I'm almost $250k into tools. Nice work.... Looks like your dad is a great teacher. Here at the H. O. B. T. ( House of Broken Toys) We're always broke , we always reuse and "customize" whatever we need to make it work right. Being broke and owning a Harley is an art form.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Being broke and owning a Harley seems to be a class all in itself hahah. I enjoy my broke bike, biker life though.

[@ckthompson7928]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC I got no complaints either. I can't say that for the rest of the people in this world.. I see good in alot of things people don't..... I give it a new home, maybe a new purpose..... I love it here at the House Of Broken Toys..... No money, just makes you more creative in the shop.... CUSTOM IS CUSTOM.... Working is working. .... Enjoy your sled and keep the dirty side down . 😁

[@user-wg7dx7er8w]

Hi 👋, Well done, Your father has a wealth of knowledge, he should write a book, 📖 hints tricks on maintenance of your Shovel-head,

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

He probably could too!

[@pipersall6761]

Oops. Things happen but you did a great job straightening it!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks!

[@robertgwinn8406]

Cool.. I like seeing parts of bikes

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Me too 😏

[@sparkplug-ne5wi]

good job and yes use right tool old parts are getting harder to find these days

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

True that

[@waynemetevia7983]

Maybe whoever used the claw puller did so because they just didn't know any better or like you mentioned that was all they had. Thanks for another great video! Always enjoy watching.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Could be!

[@ecrusch]

Good job and great tip. Using that Arbor press and an adjustable wrench was genius. Nice work, Red' Dad. And, Angle, you have a keen eye. Peace.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks!

[@davidcoudriet8439]

That was a really good one. Excellent fix.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks 👍

[@markh.harris9271]

another excellent video Red. Say hi to O.U.T. ; keep learning from him! wealth of knowledge ride safe! marcus

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

hi mark, and thanks.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks Mark! Happy riding 😃

[@tommyteague4326]

Thanks 4 the info!! Loved it!!❤

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

You're welcome!!

[@tommygreer9921]

I don't have an Arbor Press, must get one thanks Red Rider cheers

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

They are a very handy tool to have.

[@dick3872]

As always, very helpful. Thanks Angel.😎👍

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

You're welcome!

[@user-di8cy6yv4o]

Sadness is sad. Using the wrong tool is the most common story. Just as often, people like to use a small crowbar, "Locksmith rigs", (слесарные монтажки, монтировки, фомки...) "Mounts", and there are completely different consequences... My thumbs up for your father's experience :)

[@davidsheppard1133]

I saw a new way to tighten up an adjustable wrench too, so it will hold on better . Why haven’t I ever thought of that! I will use it next time for sure. I learned something new today. Thanks Red and Red’s dad! What’s your dad’s name Angel? God bless!

[@Hard2Handle999]

Me too two also...

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

His name is Bill. And thanks! Glad you got something out of it.

[@mattmattes3913]

If the clutch hub key has two .020 45 degree corners on it. I made the die that made wire, Col-Fin Speciality Steel Corp. drew the wire & Standard Horse Nail Co. made the key. All from here in South Western Pennsylvania. It's a small world.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

🤔 I'm not too sure what you mean. Maybe you can explain it for me cause it sounds interesting! lol

[@mattmattes3913]

​@@RedRiderCanadaBC Hi Angel, the clutch hub key is a woodruff key. You know, the half moon key that goes into the mainshaft. You'll notice, if your key has it, has a pair of .020" 45 degree corners on the woodruff key that goes into the mainshaft first. If so, I made the die that made the wire that made the key. Ours shop is half general machine work but the other half is custom shape carbide wiring drawing dies. You've used Allen wrenches, well if they're Eklind, Holo-Krome, or Bondus (the ball driver style). I make the die , that makes the wire, that makes the wrench. The smallest Allen wrench I produce is a .0275" Hexagon. They're used for 00-90 & 0-80 set screws also used for setting the idle (lack of a better Word) on pacemakers. It's pretty cool to go to a hardware store or look in a catalog and see a tool that you had a part in making, and its all over the world. And all from a little shop under a 2 car garage. A soon as my computer skills enter the latter 20th century, I'll send ya some pictures of both shops. It was a great place to grow up.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks for the explanation!! Yea the at is pretty cool 😌 Some pics of the shop would be awesome! Sounds like a great setup there Matt.

[@paulfreespirit]

In the long run, it always pays to use the correct tool in the first place!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

👍

[@upsidedowndog1256]

The first thing about HD maintenance I ever seen done was changing the friction material on that hub. I was in A&P school and a dude brought one into the sheetmetal class to rivet it on. Compared to my old Japanese dirtbike parts it looked like quite an agrarian part with an archaic method of attachment. Not sure if he did any part of it right. I doubt he had the right puller. School was expensive!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Haha yea students living on ramen noodles probably don't own a lot of fancy tools.

[@chipmartin7608]

Yes, there's a point in making a video, and yes, we will ask you to see this stuff.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😏 👍 Glad you liked it Chip

[@markmcdeavitt3092]

Great video also helpful if your swap meet shopping

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yes! Don't buy a bent hub.

[@janeriksrensen3662]

Thanks for sharing🏍

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks for watching!

[@janeriksrensen3662]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC ♥️

[@tonycurtis6898]

Thank you

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

You're welcome

[@caseyarchuleta5513]

Great & important info. Thanks!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

You're welcome!

[@mikerapp8163]

Wow, some hack had his way with that hub. Terrible. I pulled my hub once to fine-sand the grooves out of all those fingers. If not totally smooth the clutch plates will bind. Good job trying to true the flange.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yea some hack had his way with a lot of things on this bike...

[@richardhagan2964]

The other thing rookies do is grease the clutch bearing to much and soaks in to the fiber disk

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yep, no good!!

[@mbspillane9684]

Excellent knowledge!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks for watching!

[@erich44magnum]

I approve this message…

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

I approve this comment 🫡

[@matthewmutch7853]

THANKS

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Welcome!

[@jamesfox2857]

Tree " Jaw " Pullers are Meant for areas with usually a side to pull from , a plate is not a side item to be pulling b on the edges of , it bends = plate metal is not a pulling point unless you are pulling frames and then you have specific ares to hit to reform the shape such is supposede to allign to and frames are usually all channel or bax framed , so you end up with at least three sides to pull from at once or independantly , but flat plate metal is limber and mu8sty have even flat pressure and close to center for best results , looked like they thought maybe it was a problem and may have had to replace it and or A Road side job to get back going , the latter sounds more reasonable but i am not the prior owner either

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

There has been lots of sign of shoddy work being done on this bike, so I think they just didn't know what they were doing and maybe didn't care to figure it out.

[@jamesfox2857]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC ahhh , i seee , a real shade tree mechanic , gotcha

[@bagrnut]

I wonder who's got the rivet tail expansion tool if you wanted to replace the clutch material on the hub. Good tech video Red.

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

got one of those too.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

👍 👍

[@aromalito63]

Big SHOUT OUT TO DAD

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

🙌

[@teddysickels1857]

Nice catch Angel and an even better fix. No telling how hard just that hub assy by itself would've been to find without having to buy another entire set. If im not mistaken, I thought I noticed a few gouged clutch fingers and im sure that you and the U.O.T. did also but just incase you didn't you might want to polish those out while you're there for smoother engagement. Keep the throttle twisted and the rubber side down TX Ted

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

The clutch fingers have grooves in them for holding the bearing plate springs in place.

[@teddysickels1857]

@RedRiderCanadaBC Angel, if you stop the video at 2 minutes where you're holding the clutch hub with your left hand and if you look at the hub finger your thumb is on I think you'll see what I'm talking about, they may not be actual grooves that you're talking about it could be just the wear on the fingers that I'm seeing where they've been polished from the stackup of the friction and steels moving back and forth. I just wanted to point those out while you were in there incase any of those plates were catching so you could polish them for a smoother engagement.

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

the fingers on that hub aren't grooved at all. just a little discolored. and this was before it was cleaned.👍

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

@@teddysickels1857yea I took another look at it and it all looks good. Thanks though 😁

[@teddysickels1857]

@RedRiderCanadaBC better safe than sorry. It's not always easy to see things by just watching the videos, but wanted to point it out while you were in there so you could double check. Hopefully, you'll be getting some springtime weather soon so you can get that throttle twisted and the rubber side down. TX Ted

[@charlesbrown9567]

I think you may have just told me one of the problems with my panthead, thank you.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Hope it helped!

[@russellalford5684]

I have a 1980 going back together I will do a close inspection on it now that I hasten this video...😮

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Good luck with your project!

[@michaelfraser5723]

I have one improper tool, that i can't get rid of, but there were three improper TOOLS at school, also

[@michaelfraser5723]

some might call them 'friends', but for me, those tools will always be my enemies

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

🙃😂

[@ronniegaloot7986]

I'm primitive and use a hammer on the hub nut in the past..a harmonic balancer work's also..

[@ridingonruby3287]

That's probably something that I would have done anyway that you could figure to get it off. Now I would buy the tool or rent it home Depot rents a lot of tools that you could use and even parts stores rent a lot of these tools that you need

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yea these Jim's tools are nice, but not cheap.

[@aquahombre]

I just replaced my with a 5 finger clutch hub, much smoother

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Nice!

[@vidvidbiker]

I have found you can use a two arm puller like that but you just get it up to tension and then shock the hub with a sharp knock and it pings off. If you use the puller only then, you have to crank it up so far that it damage the hub the same as yours was. Proper puller is the way to go if you can but a 2 arm puller and shocking it can get you out of the pooh😊.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

👍 👍

[@sylvainbougie7269]

Don’t care about the content, just here for her. Signed Rick.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😏

[@sylvainbougie7269]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC as in Rick and Morty

[@pull-my-finger-1]

Cheers from Courtenay

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Hi 👋

[@kevindonohue9519]

It always burned me when bolts are all stripped out, stripped threads,,, just stupid stuff

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Yep, no shortage of stupid stuff on some of these old bikes

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Is it just the lighting, or are the studs grooved from the clutch plates? If they are, are you going to dress them down or replace them to get a smooth release? It will definitely work mo'betta' after this good straightening!

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

I didn't take too close a look at them just yet. But we will likely clean em up if needed.

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

the fingers on that hub are in good shape, just a little discolored. this was before it was cleaned.

[@garyehrhardt3136]

Good stuff kiddo

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Thanks!

[@jjrider6758]

Wow !.. Unless that back plate is made of soft mild steel, whoever used that incorrect puller to get it off the output shaft must really have wound some pressure on !..

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Right!!

[@shadyvito]

I'm 53 yrs old and been around tools my whole life. I've never seen anyone use pliers to tighten their adjustable wrench. I feel like I was robbed and wasted a lot of time over the years.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Hahah it definitely works when needed!

[@lawrenceforbes5172]

Wow - good call! L

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

👍 👍

[@johnjaco5544]

The correct puller don't cost that much on line

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Probably not anymore than having to replace this part!

[@benderbender1233]

g0 red g0!!! 🤟😘🤟

[@benderbender1233]

p0ps isa wizard!!! 😉🤙

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

He sure is 🧙‍♂️

[@benderbender1233]

@@RedRiderCanadaBC ✌😉

[@stonebrakerstudio8238]

😊

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

🙂

[@chriscadman6379]

Hello.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Hello!

[@69007assassin]

Hey Angel hope you have great riding weather up there all summer! 🤘😎🌴🏖️

[@Hard2Handle999]

There is a tool I would like to get and would like to know if anyone here can please tell me the name of it and where to get one... The tool measures the paint thickness on tanks and fenders to determine loss of original paint due to age and to locate repaints and touchups...Thanks All...Cobar in Nebraska...

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Never heard of that before! Maybe someone here will know.

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

this might be what you're looking for; www.fendersplendorpaintmeter.com/

[@kirkvaughn5513]

You have a video that shows how your dad fixed your turn signals with a old flasher. Instead of of the module. Help please. My 93 needs this the module is 250$ dollars have a flasher for old truck though. Can you link the video please and thank you 😊

[@o.u.t.olduglytroll3712]

reds dad here, here's that link; kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn3MZJt7oJZofqssi=q8sKsSh6yTLB5Zhn

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Sure!! Here’s the link: Quick Solution for Harley Turn Signal Module Not Working kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn3MZJt7oJZofqs

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

That video is from the early days of my channel and is kind of drawn out, so you might want to fast forward to the 7 minute mark and skip A LOT of talking haha. Also, I used two signal light modules on here (one for each side) but I think you can get a single module that will operate both left and right signals.

[@kirkvaughn5513]

Thank you very much 😊

[@davidcoyote8921]

👍🐾

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

👍 🐾

[@user-ll9zd2dh6h]

Nice Taiwanese arbor press.Always breaks right there in the corner when you hurt their feelings

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

The press is a very handy shop tool!!

[@kevinoconnor2921]

Ya know who uses the wrong tool, every time? Meth Heads. I had a customer who took apart a brand new 2020 HD Fatboy with a pair of channel locks, & put it back together. While putting it back together, he thought it would be a good idea to retro-fit an air filter from a late '80's Buick attached it with drywall screws, made a restrictor plate out of the lid of a "cat food" can & punched holes in it with a screwdriver & attached it with drywall screws. EVERY bolt head was rounded off, and when the bike didn't run right he wanted HD's warranty to cover everything he messed up. Also then admitted he got really "tuned up" on meth and decided to take his BRAND NEWmotorcycle apart. HD didn't warranty any work, & it cost him $4,500.00 to correct his "Trip Out". 🙄-True story.

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Wow... Some people shouldn't own bikes.

[@kirkyoung5266]

👍🙂🇨🇦

[@thomasgillette6559]

Wow. Yeah, you can not use specialty tools for cars on motorcycles. For that reason alone. I hope you. Guys get it right

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

We did! Thanks.

[@wolfman3970]

😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😊😊😊😊😊

[@jamesfox2857]

RED !!!

[@user-lv2kd6od6d]

🤣😂I had this biker dude across street get in my azz about that made me go buy the right one pointed out the same bentness from the bullshit t puller … outstanding info….😎🔥🦾

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

Lol yea it pays to have the proper tools

[@thedirtyknobs]

😊

[@RedRiderCanadaBC]

😁