How Not to Suck at Anti Submarine Warfare in World of Warships

[@sacredwolf8424]

Note: Halland, Smalland, Friesland, and any other DD's with the rocket assisted depth charge launchers included in their ship model *do* use these launchers when you use depth charges. They launch somewhere between 1.5 and 2 km in front of your ship instead of being dropped off the back or side of the ship. Please like this comment so we can get this information circulating.

[@nordlawt8242]

Is there any hedgehogs yet?

[@simonkevnorris]

I think there is only those three. Not sure about Vampire II as I don't have her. An aiming circle e would be nice.

[@Sandman253]

@@simonkevnorris Vampire II appears t shoot bombs almost verticle and they drop arround the ship, maybe Draring id similar.

[@robbe3334]

to add a littler bit to that. depth charge balance is all over the place atm blyska got better depth charges than the halland

[@Testacabeza]

Awful mechanism, there is no grid so you have to guess and guess a lot.

[@Mr_Secondaries]

STEP ONE: LOOK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ASW ABILITIES ON THE SHIP YOU PICK. Make sure your ship has depth charges OR airstrike depth charges.... That said, Zoup's advice is dead nuts on point.

[@dy031101]

"Do the destroyer thing you normally do." Which, in my experience watching my teammates, typically involves suicide charges far ahead of the rest of the team, hoping to score torpedo hits against enemy cruisers and battleships before they die within the first three minutes of a match. Yes, they often succeed and sometimes even sink an enemy battleship or two, but after those three minutes the enemy destroyers will have the free reign to stealth torpedo what's left of my team. Them going after submarines, foolishly or not, tends to be of little consequences to me already. Submarines just means I (playing battleships primarily) am gonna get stealth torped more often anyway 😅

[@abik8847]

Time to leave the game

[@iamfodder1017]

How not to suck.....as soon as you see a sub in a battle...shut your computer off and don't come back for at least a week.

[@pcsproshop8972]

Good advice! I would only ADD one thing; remember they can use REARWARD firing torps! all torps take some distance to arm, so above & "danger close" is actually better than giving them distance to both ping & for them to arm. not sure of the actual distance, yrmv. fs & hf

[@SirCorbyOES]

Simple request explain the following 1 why do surface ships have to use up a repair to break the acoustic lock. The homing torps in real life were defeated by a a cut soup can inside a punctured garbage can and 250 foot of cable. 2- why can't acoustic search locate a submarine. I can find a torpedo subs are more noisy. 3- Why not give them their own operations to run and keep them out of the base game. 4 - give the player the option as to playing with subs in game or not.

[@masterofthedeathwing2839]

i dont understand how to do "anti submarine warfare" my experience so far, is being surrounded by empty sea, then getting the notification "a sub has locked on" then you get spammed by homing torps, and then you die, and absolutely no one spotted shit.

[@ugaladh]

I think #5 is the most important. Subs aren't as much of a threat as the enemy surface ships, don't ignore everything else to panic about a sub.

[@steeljawX]

I'd argue the only time to panic about a sub is if they've placed themselves for a torpedo crossfire with one of their DD's or torpedo CC's. . . . can't dodge that one, but they really aren't too big of a threat. I watched a BB "speed bump" a 2/3 health sub to death as it was coming up to the surface....or rather it surfaced into the BB and it apparently counted as a ram of sorts and the sub lost that fight.

[@charlescdt6509]

Next episode, Cap builds for the new metta. Keep up the good work.

[@TK-fk4po]

Their spotting of you when you are trying to cap but can’t get near to them to kill them is SO annoying.

[@sr3473]

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play

[@barneymm2204]

A strange game.

[@giano427]

After the rocket plane changes...I don't know how much of a threat CV's are the DD's now a days. Unless the DD player is sleeping, it's very hard to land a strike.

[@TGNXAR]

German rocket planes have an easier time with the much shorter delay, but then the AP rockets overpenetrate and tend to do very little damage.

[@Pantsugrenadiere]

Well rank VI CVs rocket delay is somewhat manageable with something like 3s , especially with DD players being less smart at this rank but still even if the dude is going in a straight Line you won't be as efficient as before and may fail sometimes For rank VIII and X it will be even harder and sometimes impossible to hit the DD reliably except if it do a mistake like you caught them beached and even then they have enough Time to correct their mistake and limitating the damage. So now CVs the most reliable way to deal with DD are torps and HE Bomb So things like a Kaga that already wasn't using her rockets anyway or an US tech tree CV are still Big threat to DD even if they Lost their most effective way to deal with DDs, meanwhile CV like the japanese techtree has become less efficient than german CV against DD. But overall CV are still a threat against them because of the Crossfire they Can provide and the spotting, the thing is tho is that most CV doesn't have a really reliable way to deal with them (except maybe some CVs like Loewenhardt and its really précise DB) and now have to rely more on the team than before. So if you're CV and a DD rush you and you have no Ally close to you, you are very likely to lose if the DD player know how to dodge (except if you're a GZ or a german CV with secondary build)

[@billwalker9509]

I'd. Like to see something on 1. Tactics on when/when not to use DC to erase a sonar ping. 2. Inability to spot subs with hydro.

[@rodneyyawn4711]

If over the sub with Depth Charges, slow or stop ang deploy depth charges. Good way to kill sub.

[@calenelenotso-mau7848]

I have noticed that the game turns in to sub hunt after most surface ships are gone. Boring! ✔

[@Ultrajamz]

I feel like if CV does some time scouting, subs can be found easily

[@barneymm2204]

@@Ultrajamz if surfaced.

[@Ultrajamz]

@@barneymm2204 they can be found at operating depth from planes

[@TGNXAR]

@@Ultrajamz Have to be within 2km from air.

[@barneymm2204]

@@Ultrajamz Thx.

[@Swarm509]

Lost a lot of ranked games as a BB because the DD's would go off sub hunting instead of capping, contesting, or spotting.

[@old_guard2431]

Good advice. Would be nice if your team would cover you while working a sub, but this is not that kind of game.

[@anthrax2413]

Anti submarine warfare is everyone going to WG and showing their contempt for this awful and boring class

[@jsr9617]

Thanks for the advice. I've gotten 10-12 depth charge hits on a sub and not killed it, maybe because I wasn't leading enough so the charges detonated far away from the sub and did less damage.

[@axil7146]

How not to Suck : WoWs Submarines - Don't have them in game or have them in their own mode

[@g-helios5077]

Thanks zoup!

[@metallord999]

I find a lot of the time playing BBs is ranked its just a case of waiting for the sub to be detected and send both waves of bombers if the other BB does the same the sub dies then and there, get later in game were the DDs have durped out early and its a case of you will never find them and its a constant stream of torps.

[@Swarm509]

Always be dropping your planes if they are up and the subs are far away from you. Even if you only do a bit of damage you can make them dive deeper, run, or just get distracted. Once I am up close brawling with a BB in ranked I tend to hang on to at least one wave in case a sub is detected lose, I can drop on him to try and save myself.

[@outfit5103]

Not every bb has asw though which is a major issue

[@MiNameisJager]

When approaching a sub, approach from the sides. It is their greatest weakness. They only launch their torps front and back but not their sides. The best they could do is ping you but the angle is too sharp for the homing torpedoes to connect

[@TheEvilJade]

Can you do another video more about anti sub warfare with the 10.9 update please. You are the only Wows youtube to talk about this subject.

[@freetolook3727]

Why is it that when something new is introduced in World of Warships, it makes one of the ship classes less fun instead of making the game more fun?

[@Testacabeza]

Because nobody, even the creators, seem to understand they way these classes (CV and Sub) disrupt the beauty of the surface ships dynamics.

[@CelestiaLz77]

@UCWFpfiFzxGVg99qDF3cEbkw yeah beauty in setting BB's on fire.. get rekt. I love my subs. See ya in game bud

[@Testacabeza]

@@CelestiaLz77 You are probably the right target for the subs...

[@darthvictor5824]

Another danger to chasing subs is that they can surface and blast you with torps at point blank range. This is how I managed to dev strike DDs and CLs.

[@larsn97]

Yep, that is why it is not a good idea to pass over them with a DD to lead your Death Changes. A good sub player just surface to operating depth and strikes you with 4 pingt torps from behind you. Staying over them and not infront to lead is way safer. Also there are definitely some important tips missing. First you can and should shouting subs at Operating depth. Death Changes deal also little damage to a sub on the surface (this is helpful if you Fight the in close range in a Cruser).

[@TGNXAR]

@@larsn97 Depends on how close you are to the surface, but, yes, this is a danger.

[@bradbrooker9656]

thanks Zoup, im one of the ones that does not like subs. I have no interest. If they come to randoms (or when) it might be enough for me to quit. I have played and loved the game for a long time but recent events make me think..........

[@joerobershaw5713]

If you could, make a video on airstrike having trouble with it.

[@MrJJSimonds]

I have zero interest in subs. They have no resemblance in any way to what was happening in WWII... not that the ships we have are that close either, but the basic "battling it out" is there... I have not and will not play subs. I also wish you would not promote them. but I suppose you gotta make a buck...

[@ted5567]

Wg something must be done for soviet, german and italian bbs because without asw what they are supposed to do ? Not to mention they are supposed to push and and brawl and tank.

[@jasminewilson3614]

an idea on the opposite side of the coin with the sub on your team that i have tried a couple of times in co-op and might work in other types of battle is to use the sub as bait. havea bb or a cb targeting with a dd spotting while the 2 or 3 enemy ships are trying to target or even while attacking the allies sub. the sub pings close enough around a couple of targets and then dives as deep as possible to get out of there and maybe even pinging along the way to lead the enemy into the trap. picked up n this a couple of times with bot ships in co-op. dont think that is what they were actually doing but it was pretty close

[@DarkflameAmv]

i've actually had more fun hunting destroyers sitting in smoke. using the hydrophone reveals their silhouette which i can then land a ping on. Sucks for them cause they'll have to waltz out into the open to evade the torps or try to deal with me and my cruiser support.

[@ugaladh]

I've seen this done once, sub chased the dd out of smoke,

[@TGNXAR]

Some new gameplay options.

[@joselitostotomas8114]

Let them come to you: Beware that subs have rear facing torp launchers Also a sub can kill a dd by ramming and still live.

[@TGNXAR]

The German subs at T10 lack rear facing launchers. I have no idea why, other than historical accuracy.

[@benjaminhall7092]

What do you do as a battleship player. How do I fight them?

[@vincentl9396]

Yes, they will come to you but can't see them and then "BOOM" dead by their torps. I suck as dodge their torps always get hit by them.

[@stevenvaughn8431]

How to fight subs Step 1- uninstall

[@567davefair]

They need to prevent subs from these point blank drive by blitzkrieg style attacks and make the torpedo arming time or distance further!

[@567davefair]

it is COMPLETELY ridiculous that not EVERY ship has a countermeasure of sorts to deal with submarines! And when did WWII subs have homing torpedoes anyways? If they are going to give such an advantage to the sub players than why not give battleships and cruisers without depth charges some sort of consumable as a defensive device or as a distraction to reduce the effectiveness of torp strikes?

[@Ultrajamz]

I tried subs one and wasnt sure how to recharge battery? I thought it would recharge upon surfacing

[@sirtogii5216]

They do, but only if you're fully surfaced, not at periscope depth. Also it's a slow process.

[@Swarm509]

@@sirtogii5216 Exactly this. Even if you sub has a snorkel it doesn't do anything at periscope depth. All periscope depth seems to do is allow for the fastest submerged speed and reduced surface detectability. I usually just use it when planes are around when moving to the frontlines, or around caps.

[@Gooberboy]

If anything, it seems almost like subs are at a disadvantage in most matches unlike the gods I was afraid they were going to be. I have yet to have a ranked match where a sub was even close to having a real impact on the outcome.

[@TGNXAR]

I've had several, generally by being the sub that spots every DD trying to cap the center, for some weird reason.

[@captbumbler5356]

good advice.

[@viarnay]

Subs are a piece of cake to sink they even can ve gunned at periscope depth and the asdic is way much powerful

[@robinsanchez25]

1 thing I learned is you can be torpedoed at periscope depth, learned that the hard way LOL.

[@antoniolyu7811]

Quick answer: Do not play this shitty game anymore

[@Swedje]

I have to be honest i prefer from behind :D

[@jkmohawk]

in my t6 pan euro, I have failed to evade the subs torps every time. pinged 3 times in 20 seconds

[@Grazysworld]

But Groningen can't torp nor cap so that would be the sub hunter

[@richardbell7678]

In co-op, subs are a bit of a disappointment. A tactic that works in co-op much better than it should is to sink all of the enemy surface ships and then cap for the win. I am glad that enemy subs are more of a threat in ranked, as they are not very effective in co-op. Even friendly subs are not that effective. The surface action is brutal and short, with too few enemies lasting long enough to be sunk by the friendly subs. I have had two matches where I exceeded 100k of damage with the tier X Balao, but I have had many matches with less than 20k damage and even a few with zero. Subs are not very rewarding to play in co-op.

[@HardWithStyle97]

I know a good strategy: 1 sub in enemy team? Hope you're lucky he doesn't pick you as the victim. 2 subs? Insta-quit. Not exceptions.

[@remenents100]

"How not to suck..." - Uninstall and play a game thats worth your time. ;P

[@seanlucero4240]

Wow new vid. Cool. I thought you quit

[@goatranchgaming2922]

how can anyone suck at ASW even BBs can delete the subs really quick

[@shortbusbillsfan8609]

Step one don’t play a ship with out ASW step two I’m Just kidding remove them that’s the best counter the 98.9% would be happy

[@reftouswarships6731]

0:43 like dds don't have enough on there plate

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

Submarines... The EBRs of WoWs... lol

[@ninjavampirealphawolf6793]

Well my GK was burning all the time now i cant run from home torps too from subs gg lol

[@srirambharadhwaj3070]

*Sad Grosser Kurfurst Noises*

[@mowtoll]

That day it comes to random i uninstall the game

[@usha777]

The first 1:38 is unneeded BS, just get to the video title. Other then that good vid

[@Testacabeza]

Got my new Ibuki. No ASW on it. FFS WG!

[@bretrudeseal4314]

This video didn't age well.

[@rickfortier8664]

If the 'C' in CV gave us the term Cancer being applied to the carriers then I postulate that the 'S' in Sub must be for Syphillis!

[@diegobasanta2]

Too many potatos dds players. All dds died in 5 minutes = Submarine party...

[@CelestiaLz77]

Am i the only submariner here? Ive been waiting for this. Now this is a challenge. I love challenge. Love sinking dd players. Its rewarding and funny.

[@arhatsurywanshi6741]

first

[@markukrainetz5058]

DDs are supposed to be sub killers. As a sub player, I actively avoid DDs.