How Nullifier Actually Works: Explained in 17 Minutes

[@beneaththeveil]

Corrections/Updates: As of 7.35b the Nullify active now lasts 4s instead of 5s so has a 40% uptime instead of 50%. Units under the Nullify active are now also slowed by 10% for the duration. As of 7.37d the Nullify active now also purges the invisibility associated with Windranger's Scepter effected Windrun. 3:55 - Nullifier does not prevent an ally from cycloning an enemy as that is considered a debuff, where Nullifier only removes buffs. That's on us for not realising the same spell can be considered a buff or debuff depending on who it is cast on. Thank you to users mikawesseling320 and shortcircuited5069 for the correction. 13:45 - despite saying that Repel is dispellable: it isn't actually dispelled by Nullifier. Spells which pierce Debuff Immunity and also dispel the target such as Doom's Doom, Winter Wyvern's Winter's Curse and Shadow Demon's Demonic Purge will all dispel Repel. Thank you to user A H for this one that slipped us by. Game continues to be hard. Please do check the description for all item and hero ability interactions with Nullifier. Shout out to zzadrianzz who popularised this style of DOTA 2 content. You can find our full playlist of DOTA videos from various creators that explain how items and mechanics of DOTA actually work from Adrian and other creators like ZQuixotix, PainDota and BalloonDota as well as links to their channels by looking in the description as well. Good luck and Happy Gaming!

[@synnnavamananda8859]

Shud also tell how shadow blade counters it

[@beneaththeveil]

While you can disjoint the projectile if you go invisible before it collides with you and you aren't detected in some way already: we'd never suggest Shadow Blade as a viable counterplay to Nullifier. The players that we've seen in pubs don't need more reasons to buy a Shadow Blade. In fact, we think there's an unhealthy reliance on Shadow Blade in the pub scene and people would actually gain MMR if they broke their reliance on it and learned better fundamentals of positioning.

[@AH-vc3hb]

Repel DOES get dispelled by shadow demons ulti though

[@beneaththeveil]

@@AH-vc3hb Incredible catch! Realised already that Demonic Purge dispels all skills and items through BKB but hadn't even considered it pierces the Debuff Immunity of Repel to ultimately dispel it outright. Well done. God damn, game is hard.

[@iutubsacs]

Much respect for calling out people that inspired this type of video. Chivalry is super rare on social media.

[@supreetmavintop1829]

you dont know how hard i was trying to find information on this item... thank you bro.

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad we could help!

[@kentwithaperiod]

literally. "applies a debuff" tf does that mean.

[@Ari-ek1dx]

​@@kentwithaperiodif you can read u will understand it crazy

[@supreetmavintop1829]

@@kentwithaperiod exactly

[@cynicsoul6451]

Ever had a game with raidboss built bloodseeker (aghs scepter + bloodstone) where he just can't seem to have his hp get lower than full? Chances are, he's probably had a huge stack of hp barrier from his aghs scepter effect and will keep stacking up barrier from his ability overheals up to 50% of his max hp. This makes Bloodseeker so tanky while continuously dealing lots of dmg. With nullifier, you can immediately bring that barrier to zero and keep him from stacking up hp barrier for the duration of nullifier. From there, use every hp regen reducing spells or items you have to keep him from regaining hp from his thirst and bloodstone.

[@beneaththeveil]

Damn, we thought we'd gotten all of them once we realised we missed the Jingu Mastery buff. We got the Bloodrage being dispellable but didn't catch the Bloodseeker Scepter, mainly because we haven't seen Bloodseeker at all ourselves lately. Great pickup! Appreciate you sharing!

[@danielrojaszea3952]

bro i just lost a game to an undying bloodseeker with insane amounts of shields we were able to bring down everyone but him. i didnt know or think about this, thank you this information will certainly benefit my gameplay.

[@beneaththeveil]

@@danielrojaszea3952 that's what we love to hear! Improving in Dota is all about learning all these niche opportunities for counterplay with items when an enemy invests way too deeply into a certain archetype

[@cynicsoul6451]

How I discovered this was actually kind of accidental. You see, I was playing support Veno and I took up on the role of providing as much enemy regen reducing items as I can. Having already built Vessel, I then look up to see which item I can build that will also reduce enemy regen. So there was Skadi and Shiva's Guard to pick. Obviously, Shiva's was the more reasonable choice as a support so I immediately bought the Helm of Iron Will as it's one of the components for Veil. It was my mistake as I didn't noticed that my Offlaner already has built his Veil and on his way to build Shiva's. So instead of going Shiva's Guard, I now have to find another item that I can make out of this Helm of Iron Will. At first, it looked like Crimson Guard was a good choice as it does offer some defensive aura but it just feels underwhelming for a low str support hero like Veno. That's when I decided to just go with Nullifier as it would at least make a lot of the enemies' defensive item buffs nullified. To my surprise, it works so well against the enemy Bloodseeker that just hit his Bloodstone + Aghanim's Scepter timing just around the same as my Nullifier timing. Bloodseeker with such build ia obviously still very hard to deal with all his spell lifesteal and fast Movement speed. But without the benefit of having his stacks of hp barrier from his Scepter, he is at least manageable and much easier to burst.

[@beneaththeveil]

@@cynicsoul6451 It's hilarious to me that you stumbled across an item counter simply because you didn't want to waste gold on a component item you'd already purchased. That's a shrewd dota player right there

[@AltdRP]

As a 14 years veteran immortal of this game, i would like to thank you for explaining it to everybody so that more people would buy this, hopefully my teamates will buy more of this item because it’s also one of my favorites

[@beneaththeveil]

It's one of ours too!

[@olgagaming5544]

One my fav item is boots of bearing so my team can run faster when chasing someone xd

[@xIcarus227]

One thing I don't see often but works in my Legend bracket is buying nullifier early-ish when you need damage. The best example is PA, if I see that the enemy team has good physical damage and no undispellable saves I don't even think about getting Deso but get Nulli instead. That way I solve the following problems: 1. enemy supports can't save themselves, I can genuinely feed on them 25 min into the game and they can't do anything about it as long as BKB is on 2. I get good damage, definitely not as much as a fully upgraded Deso but it's comparable early when not upgraded 3. I get good protection against physical damage, meaning PA is even less likely to die from physical damage 4. I can put the brakes on certain enemy core heroes such as MK, because his Jingu mastery buff is dispelled by Nullifier which makes him super sad in the midgame And the best yet, you force enemy supports into awkward itemization choices. Imagine their pos5 has their first defensive item half-done and they see you with a Nulli. Do they finish the item? Do they get baited into getting Linken which you can pop very easily? Super underrated in my opinion.

[@beneaththeveil]

Exactly! Nullifier can and should be purchased as soon as you know you can kill heroes within the 5s window it gives you. For every hero, regardless of attribute group: Nullifier is in the top 5 highest raw damage gains in the whole game. Only 5 less damage than a Deso once you've gotten 30 charges on it. It's insanely good for damage and then it's tied for 4th highest source of armour gain only behind Shiva's, AC and Helm of the Overlord. It so, so good.

[@xIcarus227]

@@beneaththeveil totally agree, thanks for completing! Such a good and slept upon item.

[@hewhoisnotentirelysure4000]

Damn! Jingu is actually dispellable?!

[@beneaththeveil]

@@hewhoisnotentirelysure4000 yeah, can't dispel the debuff counter on yourself but you can dispel the buff he gets which gives him bonus damage and lifesteal. Very big

[@Gustangela]

Yes. Nullifies and WD are broken.

[@robindegu7294]

At the risk of my current spam hero being nerfed/banned… wanted to share that shadow demon ult is essentially a better/more flexible/upgradable version of nullifier

[@beneaththeveil]

That it is! It also purges Debuff Immunity which a commenter pointed out solved our issue of why we couldn't understand why Nullifier didn't dispel Repel. Demonic Cleanse pierces the Debuff Immunity, therefore purging Omniknight's Repel. We already knew that it pierces BKB, but hadn't put it together that Demonic Cleanse is the only way to dispel Repel due to the debuff immunity that's part of the spell.

[@divinehatred6021]

i dont think shadow demon wins enough to be nerfed

[@beneaththeveil]

@@divinehatred6021 He's seeing much more play (and winning) in the pro scene than he has the last few years. I think if anything is going to change with him it will be to Disruption.

[@Doflaminguard]

​@@divinehatred6021SD was played as a save hero instead of a damage hero.

[@KapitanMeyour]

I need more of this item breakdown video. Nice one!

[@beneaththeveil]

More to come for sure! Make sure to stick around :)

[@kexle8768]

This is a great video! The hardest part of getting back into the game imo is figuring out item sense again and all the interactions between reworked items, I def want to see more videos like this!

[@beneaththeveil]

Couldn't agree more! As the years go by, the game seems to get more and more complicated. It's what makes the game beautiful, but we can fully understand why it makes it a nightmare for less active players

[@yomama8327]

when i learned you can nullify an active eul tornado i was mind blown

[@lalazao]

the best video ever! very freaking good! please do more break downs like this!! you are amazing

[@beneaththeveil]

Thank you for the kind words

[@SuperMaxxxey]

this is very informative i used to think this item became useless after they removed the mute. thanks now i know how to deal with soo many buffs when i play carry.

[@beneaththeveil]

Yeah! It's a great item! I had a game as Juggernaut last night where we were being wrecked by a mid Timbersaw. He went Wind Waker and Aghs so I was forced to go Nullifier. He wasn't too pleased when he realised I knew the counterplay and ended up going Linken's, which was a mistake because the Swift Slashes from Jugg's Scepter purge the Linkens and he stays on top of the target. We eventually won but it was a hell of a slog to get there.

[@Undead94100]

There are a bunch of additional dispellable buffs that can be removed by Nullifier, although the impact from doing so varies a lot. These are: Alchemist's Berserk Potion (Shard) Ogre Magi's Fire Shield (Shard) Primal Beast's Uproar (the buff itself, not the stack counter) Slardar's Guardian Sprint Bloodseeker's Blood Mist barrier (Scepter) Clinkz' Strafe Drow Ranger's Gust movement speed bonus Gyrocopter's Rocket Barrage Phantom Lancer's Phantom Rush Sniper's Concussive Grenade self-knockback (Shard) Spectre's Dispersion active (Shard) Keeper of the Light's Recall (Shard) Lina's Laguna Blade supercharge (removes buff that provides 10/15 Fiery Soul stacks upon cast, but 7 regular stacks will still remain) Shadow Demon's Disseminate (when applied as a buff) Warlock's Upheaval attack speed bonus (talent, only when lingering outside of Upheaval's radius) Beastmaster's Primal Roar movement speed bonus Chen's Penitence (removes Chen's bonus attack range buff and attackers' attack speed buff, but attack speed buff will be reapplied when a unit with Penitence is being attacked after Nullifier's duration is over) Lone Druid's Savage Roar buff (Shard) Snapfire's Lil' Shredder Vengeful Spirit's stolen armor and damage buff (talent) Mjollnir's Static Charge

[@CleopatraRizalda]

Now you can add falcon rush of Kez.

[@TheMrRgon]

KZbin brought me here so I'll leave some hopefully helpful feedback. 0. Firstly the video is good, the production and visuals are high quality and it shows that you have a good understanding of the game. 1. The title & video length. As someone who believes he understands how nullifier works its hard to see why an explanation would take 17 minutes which made me think I must be missing something, this is an ok expectation to create for a viewer but I don't believe the video delivered. I feel one of the reasons for this is because this video involves a lot of specific hero counter ideas that also go far beyond nullifier which is fine but not what I was expecting. 2. Padding, a lot of time is used up to create long formed full sentences for every point which are not really required for the viewer to understand the idea, for example at 4:27 it takes almost 20 seconds to say that it works on crimson guard. I understand the idea that you want to tell the viewer that there are other items but a simple mention would do. 3. Presentation, this connects to the last point in that some things can be showed to the viewer or simply mentioned and when accompanied by a good visualization it can do a good enough job to convey the message without a full description. For example incorporating a tier-list (or similar tool) for heroes and items makes it easy for the viewer to understand which of those are important, which are nice to have and which are not affected. It also it makes it easy for the viewer to check back without needing to guess the timestamp for each item/hero. The image used for the heroes does not accomplish this goal because I don't know why I should care if I'm debuffing a movement ability or a right click buff I just want to know if its a good purchase. 4. Nullifier, this should have been the focus of the video but it feels that the tips and actual unique behaviors (such as bkb) are barely mentioned. After watching the video I can tell you which items and heroes the works well against, but, I have no clue of: a. When to buy nullifier as far as build order. b. Which heroes/positioned are best suited to buy the item. c. How do I use the item in a team fight. 5. Mechanics, I really like the bit at 6:28 showing the projectile and giving the simple suggestion that you can buy a blink and use it at melee, this is a very practical suggestion that might be obvious when said out loud but the average player could have easily missed it. I would have loved to see more stuff like this, for example talking about how Nullifier applies a debuff continuously so should I always use it at the start or wait? Does the hero/items change that choice? 6. Counters, understanding how enemy heroes can counter Nullifier can help me as a player to look out for these counters and recounter them. This point is never really addressed in the video properly. Overall this is a good video but if I'm being honest I would have stopped watching at about 7:00 if I didn't end up watching as a critique so I'm hoping this can help you moving forward.

[@beneaththeveil]

Wow, this is a really well thought out comment. Thank you for taking the time to provide a critique. It's appreciated. We're sorry you didn't feel the video delivered on the expectation you had coming in. We design these videos for new players to the game so aim to be as in-depth as possible while also trying to keep videos as brief as practical in order to respect peoples time. We had to make some concessions in this video due to length so chose to utilise the description for the full breakdown of all hero interactions and focussed on highlighting the most important use cases. In hindsight: we could have done the same with items and realistically cut the overall video length down to ten minutes. We appreciate your other suggestions regarding tier lists etc. When scripting things out, we try to keep in mind that some people can hear something and understand it immediately, while others won't understand until they see it. Especially so if English isn't their first language. Due to this, we try to keep in mind when we can say something and immediately move on and when it's relevant to pad the script out a little so there isn't dead air while a supporting video plays out. I can understand why that's a pain point for you though. As far as structure: we try to design each video so that we explain the item in isolation up front and then in the back end we go into the details about what it works against and what counterplay there is. This is because some viewers will click on the video wanting to understand the item in isolation and then leave, while others will want both how it works in isolation as well as in context. We try to satisfy everyone by structuring our videos in this manner to serve both audiences. We mention up front that due to the prohibitive cost of Nullifier it should generally be purchased by core heroes but in late game scenarios there are times where support heroes can end up purchasing it too. As mentioned up front as well it should be purchased when you can feasibly kill an enemy within the 5 second continuous dispel window where they would otherwise use a spell or item to prevent you from killing them. We thought this succinct explanation answered when in a build order you should buy it and how to use it in a teamfight, but perhaps we should have belaboured this point more and explained you should purchase it once you have the items or abilities that enable you to kill a hero within the 5 second window of the continuous dispel. Or perhaps we should have again repeated these ideas at the end of the video to remind everyone who watched until the end. The reason counters aren't really mentioned is that there aren't that many counters. It's literally just BKB which supresses the effect, Linkens which absorbs it, a disjoint through items and spells that Blink or Hide the hero (Banishments, Tusk Snowball etc.) and Anti-Mage who can reflect the projectile (despite the fact Nullifier also purges his Counterspell if he activates it after he's nullified which is a weird and fun interaction). Lotus Orb doesn't stop it but reflects it back at you too so for a hero who has purgeable effects themselves playing with a Nullifier into a Lotus Orb we felt it was important to briefly highlight too. Again, we appreciate your critique and hope you appreciate that we felt we had addressed the majority of your questions, but perhaps just didn't present it in a way you understood - which is on us. We hope you stick around and continue to provide feedback. It's always helpful to have an outside perspective and outline where we didn't deliver on the things we set out to.

[@rayyanzaidi3323]

Dude you are amazing, I was looking for this information for so long and You helped me. Thankyou

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad we could help!

[@linkin-70]

@@beneaththeveil helped me tools a new player I am

[@VenomRaven]

I've been waiting for a video just like this for the last couple of years. Thank you so much!

[@beneaththeveil]

You're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it

[@Majician]

As someone who’s been playing for a long time, THANK YOU for making a such an awesome vid to explain what the item does. Usually always bought it late game because ‘damage’ with something else…..But now I have a greater idea of what that is. Thanks again.

[@beneaththeveil]

You're welcome! It's always good to go back to the basics and learn more about the game. We get caught out by things all the time. The burden of knowledge is ever growing ;)

[@IceKangChang]

This level of explanation and analysis truly deserves some love

[@beneaththeveil]

Much appreciated! More to come for sure!

[@samueljames8654]

I think for windrunner you should mention that at 25 windrunner gets windrun can not be dispelled as an option. as you are viewing this more from the perspective of a late game item the fact that a talent nullifies the effect is not ideal

[@beneaththeveil]

There is text at the top of the screen that mentions there is a 25 talent that makes Windrun undispellable alongside the fact that the invisibility from Aghanims Scepter is not dispelled by Nullifier, only the base effect is. To be clear, Nullifier isn't an item that can only be purchased in the late game. It can be purchased at any point in the game where you already have the items and skills to kill a hero during the 5 second window the enemy is being constantly dispelled. A hero like Slardar for instance might choose to purchase a Nullifier immediately after Blink Dagger if they're confident the only thing stopping them from killing enemies after a Blink - Crush initiation is some item or spell protecting a hero that has a dispellable effect

[@iutubsacs]

Great observation. But bear in mind that level 25 is *not* lategame for medium MMR and above. It is more like ultra late game. Its just us low MMR plebs that get 80 percent of our games go into min 50+

[@beneaththeveil]

​@@iutubsacs Yeah, lexicon around early/mid/late/ultra late game is super fluid in dota and entirely depends on the rank you're at. We try to avoid it as much as we can and refer to either in game timings or levels as much as we can. It's unavoidable at times though.

[@doublehelim]

Loved your video. Very detailed and exactly what i was looking for. Subscribed :) Keep it up!!

[@beneaththeveil]

Awesome, thank you!

[@FranzFries12]

i always hav dust, if i want to remove dust, i just change it to nullifier

[@beneaththeveil]

That's fair! Though purging invisibility isn't the only reason you may want Nullifier. Force Staffs can be very annoying to play into as well as Ghost Scepter and Aeon Disk. But if all you're dealing with is Glimmer Capes then dust or a gem to choke out the enemy map vision are more than sufficient.

[@frances2191]

more or less new to dota. this is great, super informational and understandable :^) if you have time, a quick conclusion/summary/rehash of the entire video at the end would be really helpful just to repeat the main points. Thanks again! earned a sub for sure

[@beneaththeveil]

Will consider it in future. Thank you! Always hard with longer videos to justify adding more time at the end with a recap, but appreciate it

[@frances2191]

makes sense! Thanks for the reply :)

[@lucasng4203]

Amazing video, really enjoying these types of videos, great info

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad you like them!

[@joffrey13]

love this kind of content. Hope you can make more Item and Hero detailed guides.

[@beneaththeveil]

More to come for sure! Got a list of videos that we're working away on. Always taking community suggestions for sure. We make sure to read every comment :)

[@carlookamura6395]

Thanks bro! Been trying to get full info on this item.

[@beneaththeveil]

No problem 👍

[@Stannis452]

I never used Nullifier, I've been playing DotA 2 for 3 years, and I'm still learning, but this video was extremely helpful and I'll give the item a go when facing one of the heroes you guys mentioned

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear we've opened your mind to the item :) Hope it provides some wins for you

[@StupidDanimations]

The fact that a player needs to find a 17 minute video to explain how to use ONE of hundreds of items in Dota2 explains one of the game's big problems. Imagine being a new player.

[@beneaththeveil]

While we can appreciate the sentiment: the complexity of the game is what we believe to be one of it's points of appeal and the reason so many people love it

[@imoL_]

I see no problem here,lol.Dota is ALWAYS about learning.U cant know everything and its fun!

[@fullmil3]

also the reason the game is good tho

[@SecretWebiste]

Back to LoL for you...

[@Gundamkun]

Watching a 17-minute video, searching for guides, and forming your strategy is part of the fun of this game.

[@RotiHK]

As a relatively new dota player that started last October, I wanted to say thank you for this video. My MMR is around high crusader/low archon and it's crazy how almost nobody buys nullifer at this elo. I learned a lot from this!

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear we helped :)

[@someoneinthesky9784]

everybody gangsta until that 0 death support shadow demon casts 12s of demonic purge at you for not ending the game earlier.

[@beneaththeveil]

Exactly!

[@lardoram]

Thank you fir the helpful info! I never see this item bought in my games and i think its in part to people not quite understanding the item

[@beneaththeveil]

Exactly! Glad we could help

[@ashwyn93]

Thank you so much for this video! i learned so much as a veteran dota player

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad we helped :)

[@Skrill_72]

Earned a sub, please more high MMR content like this

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear! Certainly have a few things in the pipeline already

[@daedaluxe]

This item is mental, some PA used it on me and it cancelled my ghost scepter and self euls and got shrekked

[@beneaththeveil]

Yeah, the constant dispel is insanely strong. Especially against players who aren't aware of it's full potential and unknowingly itemise themselves into being perfectly countered

[@siratmohaiminulislam8677]

instantly subbed. your explanation is just amazing.

[@beneaththeveil]

Thanks and welcome

[@BlueRice]

I never knew whqts nullified items do. Wow thanks. This items is actually amazing

[@beneaththeveil]

It is!

[@jonocana8925]

The amount of information in this video deserves a sub and a like! Thank you, dude. this is very informative for a herald like me. LOL!

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad it helped! You're very welcome

[@takdre5546]

Wow I didn't realize Nullifier could this be powerful in this meta. Truly underutilized!

[@theflame9]

2:15 Omni 2nd skill “Repel” does protect all positive buff from being removed from itself or if cast on ally. E.g Omni repel plus guardian angel plus ghost scepter (3buffs) if nullifier is cast on this target it retains all 3 buffs.

[@theflame9]

also 13:52 repel is undispellable by nullifie, is only dispellable if its strong dispel which nullifier isnt

[@beneaththeveil]

Partially correct! Repel does protect from Nullifier due to the Debuff Immunity which is part of the spell, which we had overlooked in testing due to the huge amount of testing we were doing in researching for the video. Strong Dispels however, can only currently be applied to allied heroes. We added the note about no buffs requiring a Strong Dispel to remove at the start of the video in order to future proof this video just in case Valve does to us what they did in 7.33 and drastically change a core mechanic like they did altering Magic Immunity into Debuff Immunity. What you need in order to remove Repel is a skill which pierces debuff immunity AND dispels. Three examples of this are Shadow Demon's Demonic Purge, Doom's Doom and Winter Wyvern's Winter's Curse.

[@ranamoeni6595]

tnx for ur high quality content, learned a lot 🙏

[@beneaththeveil]

Happy to hear that! Be sure to stick around :)

[@shivwinrai]

Gargle for clear voice though. Content top notch. Ty.

[@beneaththeveil]

@@shivwinrai Phil just has a naturally husky voice. It is what it is. Appreciate the intent behind the advice though

[@ixaac6547]

Very Informative, more of this plsss!!

[@beneaththeveil]

Thank you! Will do!

[@nunyabusiness8000]

Great video. Looking to get back into dota so this is an easy sub

[@beneaththeveil]

Delighted to hear. Welcome back to the beautiful game ☺️

[@recnelizgaming]

new subscriber here. very nice content. even i play dota 2 since 2013, some items ng mechanics of the game i cant even understand cuz no time to try it now.

[@beneaththeveil]

DOTA 2 is a complicated game. We aren't surprised that those who don't nerd out about the game like we do don't know all these things. We're constantly forgetting and relearning things as the years go by. There's just so many interactions and exceptions.

[@Kashiwa-no-ha]

The comparisons are well made, thank u for the effort.

[@beneaththeveil]

Thanks for watching!

[@shinoa8994]

thank you so much man for this information, I'm new to this game and i find it annoying to fight supports that has any items that can prevent them from dying in the last second and escaping. gonna sub to this one

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear we helped! Welcome aboard

[@lull9075]

did not see if anyone commented about it, but Snapfire's Shredder is dispellable too! Works good when facing late-game physical Snapfire

[@beneaththeveil]

Good catch! Sneaky spells not being listed as dispellable strike again. Well done! Will add it to the description with credit :)

[@screechza]

If there is a salesman of the year for this product called nullifier: U will surely ended up getting such an ENORMOUS bonus, since u convinced me to buy this for almost every game

[@beneaththeveil]

glad to hear

[@zo9fg]

ur channel is underrated and im glad youtube algo picked this vid up

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad you think so! We've been pleasantly surprised at the reception for sure. Thank you for your kind words :)

[@Corbeauxx]

Just a note, Windrunner's windrun ability has a talent that makes it so that it can't be dispelled.

[@beneaththeveil]

Yes this is true. At 14:19 the note left at the top of the screen does inform viewers of this

[@MGMultiverseGaming]

Thanks for the awesome video.

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad you liked it!

[@MGMultiverseGaming]

@@beneaththeveil I loved it. Keep up the good work!

[@bipultamang7061]

Most underrated item on lower-mid bracket games no carry buys it at late game when support are flying around using wind waker and force staffing to safety and ghost sceptre the sht outta it

[@beneaththeveil]

We saw far too many games being lost late game due to cores not buying the item which spawned the whole video. It gets crazy out there.

[@Котейка-к1ы]

Idk if someone mentioned it, but PA's Deadly Focus state (from her Coup De Grace ulti), which is a buff that makes her next attack critical, can be dispelled with any dispel. Nullifier too :)

[@beneaththeveil]

In our testing, the Deadly Focus buff wasn't being dispelled. We know the bonus attack speed from Phantom Strike is purgeable though, as listed in the video description.

[@cjcolon507]

@@beneaththeveilit did dispel PA Ult crit, but they fixed that 2-3 patches ago so you cant dispel PA ult unless break is active on pa

[@Tirishhai]

Just a side note, i think the tooltip for deathseeker has the dispellable tag cuz it used to make the target ethereal, they often forget to remove these things rightaway

[@beneaththeveil]

That explains it! Thought it might have been a carry over that wasn't edited out

[@hassaanz]

Thanks. It helped me decide that I should buy nullifier on my Mid Lich to get out of Guardian bracket

[@beneaththeveil]

Best of luck out there, soldier!

[@the13thTTPD]

the Mute effect was peak

[@naxoif951]

Great video! Hope more item will be feature! thank you

[@beneaththeveil]

More to come for sure! Thank you :)

[@mamamiomima1408]

Another important interaction - Nullifier doesnt disspell Shadow Blade. Problemm with Grimmstroke - if he have a shard and target is stunned/silenced or controled in any other way and Grim himself cant trigger use. Nullifier bassically disspells everything from that hero, which is counter intuetive and can lead to lost fight

[@beneaththeveil]

Nullifier doesn't dispel Shadow Blade, correct. The invisibility on Shadow Amulet, Shadow Blade and Silver Edge is only dispelled on death (Shadow Amulet invis dispelled by moving too). If Grimstroke has shard and applies Ink Swell to a target who has the Nullify active on them: the Ink Swell instantly detonates and the target still receives a Strong Dispel. Unsure if this is what you were explaining or not :)

[@litkakashi]

i just won a ranked game vs a superfed necro because I bought a nullifier after watching this video thank you so much

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear ☺️ always love to hear when people turn games around that are insanely lost because they applied some knowledge we provided them

[@allaroundyou1058]

nice series, can you also create a video for armlet?

[@beneaththeveil]

Yes Armlet is on the agenda. Life got in the way for a bit but we'll be back with another video before Armlet

[@jvanrood]

10:15, nullifier significantly reduces sniper's own shard knockback (similarly to force staff), but your own knowback is unchanged since it's a debuff on you

[@beneaththeveil]

Good to know! As someone who never plays Sniper but plays against him plenty I've never really become that well acquainted with the nuances of the grenade. Appreciate you letting everyone know

[@makkar7]

Very informative clip. Good job sire!!!

[@beneaththeveil]

Thank you!

[@ljumbergking]

I love to punish Necro in nace game I never know how this itam work. Now I know thx for video👌👌👌

[@beneaththeveil]

You're welcome! Nullifier is the best item to make a Necro player cry :)

[@Kryptnyt]

I was surprised to find out that Templar Assassin's Refraction is in fact not dispellable. Thanks for the video this is exactly the kind of thing I needed after not playing in so long

[@beneaththeveil]

There's definitely a few spells out there that are dispellable which seem like they shouldn't be and aren't but feel like they should be lol. Glad it helped.

[@iutubsacs]

They are not but they fall so quickly to rapid DOT like Venomancer or Ogre Magi.

[@лікуючийпротектор]

finally i'm going to learn about that item, i've never really understood how it works and never bought it since i started game and since my 500 mmr (i'm 6k now), but i play only sup roles so its not that bad, i guess...

[@beneaththeveil]

Sometimes as a support this item can still be just what you need!

[@lettusse5561]

This information would have definitely helped me in a number of games

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear! I've certainly found myself in the same situation at times

[@Mr_Fr34ky]

This item is actually so useful. They need to fix the description. You can finally kill annoying heroes with insane stat stacking abilities and passives.

[@beneaththeveil]

Very true. Valve usually comb through some of the spell and item descriptions and refresh them with each patch but there are some like Nullifier which have slipped through the cracks.

[@richmigga7443]

how is this guy only has 2k subs ? he is dedicated n making my rank immortal 9999999

[@beneaththeveil]

We were under 500 about 9 days ago. Everybody seems to be finding us now :) Glad you find our videos helpful!

[@King_Bitcoin]

FUN TIPS: if just 1hero have ghost scepter or ghost scepter skill buy nulliffier but if the 1 player have euls, forcestaff, glimmer, aeon disk and ghospter/ skills buy BOTH nullifer and revenant

[@beneaththeveil]

Revenant's Brooch is another way to pierce through the Ethereal state for sure! But if you can kill a hero in the 5 second window of the Nullify active then there's no need to get Revenant's Brooch as well.

[@CommonConnoisseurs]

Breath the Veil on a roll ⭐ very sick

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

This is the stuff right here! Can't wait for more!

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear! Hope to see you around more in the future!

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

@@beneaththeveil Can't promise you that I'll comment every vid from now on but I know for sure I now have another informative dota channel to look forward to 👍 Edit: Your old stuff are solid ngl

[@beneaththeveil]

@@imfinishedgrinding638 All good! We have plenty of people who happily watch each video from the shadows so you're in good company. Glad to hear you're enjoying all the information we have to offer.

[@NorwegianQvirr]

Went weaver mid yesterday against a pugna. Struggled to keep him off the tower and it eventually fell as i rotated. I did win the lane relatively speaking (landing a kill on him at lvl 4/5) but went a relatively early nullifier to counter his self banish. Pleasantly surprised when I saw his next item purchased immediately fail him as my nullifier instantly removed his eul’s and later messed him up badly when his wind waker didn’t allow him to relocate across a ledge and thus his positioning cost them the fight 🎉

[@beneaththeveil]

Well done! Always satisfying when you see enemies keep investing money into items you already deal with through your itemisation. It's just free MMR they're donating at that point

[@NorwegianQvirr]

@@beneaththeveil best part? He was a true gent about in post game, both calling me out for being annoying af and saying wp haha :)

[@beneaththeveil]

@@NorwegianQvirr aw, so wholesome. Got to treasure the positive interactions with strangers in this game hahaha

[@NorwegianQvirr]

@@beneaththeveil they’re definitely not more prevalent than their counterpart 😅

[@hirotohayato4309]

This item was so OP when it still has the effect to mute hero, you can't use any item so combo with orchid and the one got debuff will surely dead, it even pierce linken back then too

[@beneaththeveil]

Yeah it was pretty nuts hahahaha. Have seen people claim the item became useless once the mute was removed and it's like... "Do you even know what it does? The mute was just a bonus" Dota is much more interesting when heroes aren't buying the same 6 items every game because those items are hideously overpowered. Much more interesting when there's completely different builds depending on your allies and enemies

[@SSC604]

I thought that the strong dispel on aeon disk dispelled the nullifier active effect. I guess I was wrong because I always waited until aeon disk activated before I used nullifier.

[@beneaththeveil]

Yes once you realise the Nullify effect is undispellable it massively adjusts the way you play with it

[@slick8098]

You are doing gods work, please continue

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad you think so! And doubly glad to know you enjoyed the video

[@tanerbaubec]

thanks for the video! would have loved to dive more into all the abilities the nullifier dispels but maybe it be a very long video. Does Nullifier dispel Sven's ult?

[@beneaththeveil]

You're welcome! We would have too but the video was already too long. Nullifier does not dispel his ult, only Warcry.

[@Doflaminguard]

Usually, ultimate transformation type ultimates arent dispellable.

[@paomendoza8744]

How to reach that FPS? So smooth! What is your machine’s specs?

[@beneaththeveil]

I9/RTX 4070

[@affanhasby822]

The might rush linken so always be aware you should prepare another single target spell to break linken. And also wait their bkb timing window. Everything could happen in 5 seconds in a late game.

[@beneaththeveil]

Exactly :) Need to be mindful of the few counterplay options

[@bragot]

Nice video! Can you do one on Armlet next? 😎

[@beneaththeveil]

Will put it on the list!

[@JovanKK]

Awesome content man Instant subs, thanks

[@beneaththeveil]

Thanks for the sub! Welcome! Glad you're enjoying

[@JovanKK]

@@beneaththeveil Can u make a video about drafting on ranked? Some tips maybe about how to learn about hero counter etc? Thanks in advance

[@beneaththeveil]

@@JovanKK It's something we'll consider, but it's a very nuanced subject since the only players who typically get any sort of counter drafting in pubs is cores against the support picks and the last pick against 4 out of 5 heroes. If the drafting order changes and goes towards captain's mode it's something we'll consider, otherwise we'll probably talk about it more when we make hero specific videos and what heroes they don't want to draft into.

[@JovanKK]

@@beneaththeveil Awesome, waiting for more content man, thanks!

[@pickin7654]

The worst part for Nullifier is that, it should have able to dispel or disable Wraith King ultimate as it mention the passive is dispellable. However we did tried using it against Wraith King, he still get reincarnated.

[@beneaththeveil]

There's a misunderstanding of how Reincarnation works at play. There are actually several effects going on simultaneously. When Reincarnation triggers, Skeletons are spawned, there is also a slow applied to all enemies and then Wraith King reappears. The slow applied to enemies is dispellable, which is what the tooltip alludes to.

[@Ilovefriesnosaltpls]

The passive is not dispellable because its not a buff. Its a passive. Youre supposed to use BREAK to disable passives. But WK ult is made to not be breakable.

[@meiliu6231]

Hi, great video. What about nyx? Can nullify work against any of the hero's abilities?

[@beneaththeveil]

Hey there! No, Nyx Assassin's abilities can not be dispelled in any way.

[@markshelor3991]

You'll never see it in competitive, but Packrat Meepo with Nullifier has about 1 second downtime.

[@beneaththeveil]

Oh wow, you're right. That's legitimately hilarious. It's a shame CDR stats from items like Octarine Core don't spread to the Clones otherwise you'd get near 100% uptime

[@adithyashenal1132]

I realy didnot played dota from years. I searched about Nullifier years ago, i mean before atleast 5 years 😅. Now youtube suggest me this video, Good old days🍃

[@beneaththeveil]

Perhaps this is your sign from the universe to come back? ;)

[@Jlewis0201]

Amazing explanation

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Dionini]

You earned a sub

[@beneaththeveil]

Welcome!

[@gabinoang357]

I like this kind of content of yours, to guide newbies like me. On how an item work. If u dont mind, can u make some hero skills too. 🎉

[@beneaththeveil]

There's a guy called Adrian who dives deep into particular hero skills and explains how they work. We've made a playlist that heavily features his videos along with some other creators explaining lots of specific mechanics of dota, whether that be a game mechanic, skill mechanic, or item mechanic. You can find the playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PLH44R6CnLKaIa3FGcQwuifUw6AheM0AKG If you'd like to go check out Adrian specifically, you can find him here: www.youtube.com/@zzadrianzz Make sure to tell him we sent you :)

[@lazylonewolf]

My issue with it is when to get it on heroes that don't usually build Radiance, or have high damage but lack attack speed, like Slark my main Pos 1 for example (yeah yeah he might not count for the 2nd point).

[@beneaththeveil]

It's understandable, but really depends more on the enemy team than it does your hero. As a carry: your non-negotiables are essentially a farming item and BKB. Then from there all you have to figure out is when to get Nullifier, which is solely based on "Can I kill these heroes with just Nullifier and BKB either on my own or with 1/2 allies?" If the answer is yes then Nullifier is your first worthwhile pickup and you cajole your supports into smoke ganking with you once it's finished to speed up both your and their GPM. If Nullifier isn't the immediate answer, then you need to figure out what item you need to get first before Nullifier, such as Blink on Ursa to be able to close the gap and actually hit a hero, or Mjollnir on Bloodseeker to give you additional attack speed alongside your first skill to make use of the damage. For example, had a PA yesterday go BF, BKB and then try go Deso into a mid Pugna. By the time Deso was finished the game was over shortly after. Decrepify constantly stopped PA from feeding on heroes because she couldn't dispel it. Thus, even once Deso came online it barely built up any charges and subsequent damage, leaving her with less damage than if she had just bought Nullifier. Once you have an item to increase your GPM and an item to defend yourself somewhat, that's when you immediately start considering if Nullifier is worthwhile or not.

[@jarmago7750]

Bruh, you deserve more subs!

[@beneaththeveil]

Thank you! We're sure they'll come with time

[@mezonei]

if u ever see nechro in the enemy team always build nulifier i usually play pa and my build is usually bkb deso nulifier khanda basher and phase boots sceptre aswell ur crit will reach above 2k and u can one shot dagger supports if u have deadly focus as u have khanda

[@beneaththeveil]

Yes, we agree that Nullifier is a must buy item against Necrophos. Regardless of whether it's a good Nullifier game against any of the other heroes or their items

[@cowsareperfectcowlover6420]

oh wow hey from Christchurch! Surprised to see a fellow Kiwi here, youtube recommending good stuff!

[@beneaththeveil]

Kia Ora! Nice to see a few locals coming through the comments section :) Your username gave me a good laugh, being from Canterbury checks out ;)

[@cowsareperfectcowlover6420]

@@beneaththeveil HAHAHAHAHA I can see why you'd think that! I'm actually a city nerd boy through and through (obviously, dota player)! Do love the moo moos though! Have a good weekend mate!

[@rafaelybanez4729]

POV: only buy nullifier when necrophos fat

[@beneaththeveil]

Nullifier is definitely the king of aggressive dispels when it comes to dealing with Necrophos!

[@matanderi6572]

U can also buy revenants brooch, makes your attacks magical and u just strike into his ghost form

[@Ben_diez]

What weather do you use in this video, looks so beautiful, nice info btw

[@beneaththeveil]

It's the DOTA+ Spring terrain :)

[@Slamion]

You can dispel repel by shadow demon ultimate

[@beneaththeveil]

Yes, we had viewers point out that dispels which pierce debuff immunity will remove Repel. Winter's Curse and Doom will both remove it as well :)

[@thecowcanon]

Great video!

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!

[@hellnickyable]

Great vid, while nullifier is great to be used as a counterplay. but the current gamestate makes nullifier less desirable. this is because items such as aeon disk or euls will still gives you the dispel despite it being immediately removed by nullifier. so for example, you got hex'd and you'd get chain stun. if you have aeon disk and bkb, nullifier is practically useless since the moment you're down to 70% hp and proc nullifier, you'll be able to use bkb and get out of that chain-stun. nullifier IS the answer/ counterplay to people who doesn't respect your burst damage or doesn't buy bkb. That's why we rarely see nullifier in pro play now since heroes that are countered hard by nullifier like necrophos is not picked that often. and to counter heroes like MK's jingu, darkseer's surge. pro player usually prefers using euls/windwaker or just disengage (with bkb and whatnot) from leshrac.

[@beneaththeveil]

We'd definitely agree on the current game state making Nullifier a less desirable option in general. It still for sure has it's place in the right games, especially in the pub scene where things are far more chaotic and less cohesive. Your point about Nullifier's relevance in pro play is totally valid in terms of the safety of the dispel giving the opportunity to cast BKB and then back off in a co-ordinated fashion: but that's a wasted resource that then has a route for reasonable counterplay and forces the team who have the Aeon Disk and BKB on cooldown to be more passive and give more of the map away out of respect to the cooldowns which is an advantage to the team leveraging the pressure of the Nullifier. This is an incredibly interesting but also deeply faceted aspect of the game that goes swiftly over the average player's head though. It's funny you mention Eul's and Wind Waker. We're actually working on a video for those two items now. It's the natural follow up to this video as they do all the aggressive dispels Nullifier does, while giving all the defensive dispels that BKB and Manta Style etc. give. Along with the 2.5s invulnerability to disjoint projectiles like you can with Blink Daggers and straight up just avoid huge ultimates like Thundergod's Wrath or Reaper's Scythe which any other item in the game cannot guarantee but can try to save from. They're a killer set of items that are even more complex than Nullifier is. This was the natural first step to save a bunch of explaining in that one video. We appreciate you stopping by, it's clear you're a very knowledgeable player - definitely not our target audience ;)

[@gutsglory3625]

I always buy it and pair with skadi whenever dealing against razor and bb.

[@beneaththeveil]

Glad to hear :)

[@kannonfrost665]

thanks for the info

[@beneaththeveil]

you're welcome!

[@asyfer729]

What the best timing to buy nullifier my brother? after having 1 core farming item? or after getting 1 defensive item like manta/bkb?

[@beneaththeveil]

Great question! It totally depends on what your hero needs to function and what utility your team already provides through their abilities. In very rare cases, you can get it first item after boots if you're an offlaner for example and you have two supports with setup skills and you just need nullifier to stop a potential Force Staff or Glimmer save. In most cases though you will want at least a BKB first to stop the enemy from disrupting you by using their spells to shut you down. For carries they always want farming item + BKB before Nullifier at the earliest, mid can do one or the other depending if it's a good game for them to scale through farming or not. Nullifier as a fourth/fifth/sixth item totally varies depending on hero lineup and what items are coming out. It is often not a good Nullifier game until Aeon Disks and the like start being purchased, so monitoring enemy itemisation is key in order to understand how to optimise your Nullifier purchase window.

[@abhishekpawar5126]

Jugg + Nullifier = 🔥

[@beneaththeveil]

Can be very strong for sure

[@KayShawn_Maybor]

4 minutes into the video im already sold on getting nullifier for second item on ursa (turbo)

[@beneaththeveil]

it's a good item on Ursa in particular for sure. He's prone to being heavily kited and Nullifier shuts down a lot of those options

[@KayShawn_Maybor]

@@beneaththeveil me on yesterday's game trying to chase clockwork and underlord T_T

[@shmelvinjoestar3586]

Nullifier also dispels bloodseeker's aghanism scepter shield btw! I would say it is a hard counter to BS

[@beneaththeveil]

Correct! We had a viewer point it out to us last week and while we'd copped the Bloodrage being dispellable we'd completely overlooked the overheal shield. A nice piece of counterplay for sure

[@normalguyishere]

nice tutorial! THanks!

[@beneaththeveil]

You're welcome! Glad it was helpful :)