How Old Was St. Joseph?

Dr. Brant Pitre discusses the ages of St. Joseph. Do the details we find in the gospels give us any indication of his age? This was taken from Dr. Pitre's The Hidden King: The Jewish Roots of St. Joseph
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[@TheBadTrad]

Absolutely fascinating! That’s why we love watching everything that Dr Pitre puts out! St. Joseph, Terror of Demons, pray for us!

[@TheBadTrad]

@YAJUN YUAN Our Lady absolutely remained a virgin.

[@marcihf217]

Amen

[@josephology3290]

Indeed! Amen!

[@BornAgainRN]

I am a Protestant, and I am planning on utilizing the arguments made in this video in a debate I have coming up. Thank you SO much for this Dr Pitre. This is invaluable!

[@ryanofsantanvalley4220]

God bless you for your ability to simplify such knowledge for us laymen. The Holy Spirit has truly blessed you. Hosanna in the highest.

[@idangnasagac7983]

Truly amen🙏❤️🙏

[@josephjude1290]

This was a real eye opener. I love having devotion towards the Protector of the Savior.

[@josephology3290]

How so? Did you think Joseph was an 80 year old widower with 6 kids before you saw this video?

[@blueskysunnyday6239]

I am always learning something new from Dr. Pitre! I highly recommend subscribing to his “Mass Readings Explained” through Catholic Productions. Excellent resource and well worth the time invested to watch them before Sunday Mass.

[@jeanb.5405]

I have always believed he was young. That Mary would need a man of virtue and strength alike to protect her.

[@michellearmstrong7903]

E j bell ,would god not protect her?

[@jeanb.5405]

@@michellearmstrong7903 Of Course God would protect her through His Angels and in a Humanly manner through Joseph. The Lord gives us to each other to protect one another. Husbands are supposed to protect their wives. But Joseph recognized that Mary was now the NEW Arch of the Covenant - She was carrying the Word made Flesh and Like God the Father had the Arch which carried the Word on tablet before the people - guarded in the Tent - Joseph would now be Mary's protector in life and Jesus protector as well because God came to us a as a baby relying totally on Human Love and Protection and Guidance as he grew up.

[@josephology3290]

@@jeanb.5405 Joseph is the New Uzzah of the New Ark of the New Covenant! #Josephology

[@The-Carpenter]

This is absolutely brilliant. I salute you, Dr. Pitre.

[@ChristianSaintSavior]

Very well-explained! Saint Joseph, please pray for us and intercede for today, in JESUS name, amen!

[@williamburych2136]

According to "The Life of The Blessed Virgin Mary", from. visions by St Anne Catherine Emmerich, Joseph "might have been as much as 33 at that time." (when he was engaged to Mary).

[@justinitsthatguyme010]

You beat me to it lol

[@MilanJibril]

And according to Mystical City of God by Bl. Mary de Agreda, Mary was 14 1/2 when the Incarnation took place. Nice

[@AA-by7xc]

Masonic?

[@josephology3290]

@@MilanJibril right, Joseph was 33 ("man", aner) not 80 ("old man" presbytes).

[@knightblossom8407]

This 10 minutes was packed full of information!! Thank you for clarifying so so much!

[@williamburych2136]

In the "Mystical City of God", by the visionary Sister Mary of Jesus of Agreda (Spain), she wrote "Among the number was Joseph, a native of Nazareth, and then living in Jerusalem; ... He was then thirty-three years of age ... From his twelfth year he had made and kept the vow of chastity ... All of these unmarried men (including Joseph) gathered in the temple ..."

[@lonelyberg1808]

I also read this book

[@rosemariekury9186]

Love this, I like to picture him perhaps in his thirties and strong since he was a carpenter. Also n those days there were a lot of robbers who’d have been on the road and he would’ve been very protective of Mary and Jesus. I like the way he was portrayed in Mary of Nazareth.

[@marcihf217]

True. I recently saw a video where the speaker was saying how Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus had to flee during the middle of the night. And I believe they had to walk close to 1,000 miles. If Joseph was an old man, he would not have had the strength to undergo such a long and strenuous journey.

[@josephology3290]

@@marcihf217 true, and old men didn't dream dreams prior to Pentecost per the Bible and per sleep doctors today telling guys over 70 hardly dream. #Josephology

[@jerryg3524]

Dr. Brant, what a fine biblical scholar! He goes right to the heart of the Joseph enigma and solves his real age. Also for me his is the best explanations of what the Apocrypha were; all explained in a simple cheerful way, thanks

[@josephology3290]

It seems the false Gospel of James was written (not by James) by Tatian the Heretic.

[@paulustarsus]

Top Class productions, Dr. Brant. Keep'em coming. 👊🇮🇪

[@helensabir8219]

This is what makes your faith in CHRIST even more strong. The only thing I am PROUD of is that I am a CATHOLIC.

[@lillianamongi5895]

Thank you Dr Pitre. Any information about Joseph is fine for there is very little written about him.

[@frjobv]

This is amazing, so long have I been searching for this

[@kwadwoboat6990]

God bless you Dr. Pitre 🙏

[@albertbenny431]

That was really nice. New knowledge

[@marcokite]

great video - St Joseph; ora pro nobis

[@yohanessunjoko2837]

Great lecture... I didn't hear this at school. It should be taught in course before first communion.

[@auchiethomas2560]

I was always always under than impression that Joseph was about 49 or so when the anunciation took place

[@josephology3290]

close....33

[@williamburych2136]

Also, she indicated that Joseph had not been previously married ... in fact, he avoided women.

[@marcelgilbert438]

St. Joseph was 33 according to venerable Mother Mary of Jesus of Agreda ; this is a must read.

[@filsamson7792]

Hats off to Brother Brad Pitre. Wow. Thanks for the knowledge.

[@peadarmacconnmhaigh4337]

Fascinating and informative! Thank you.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Thank you Dr Pitre. I've been reading your books and an interesting point I noted in one of them is that it wasn't strange for some Jewish men and women to take vows of chastity, even after marriage with the consent of the other spouse.

[@michellearmstrong7903]

Miracle worker ,what then was the point of getting married?

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@michellearmstrong7903 Have no idea, Im not that well versed in ancient Judaism. Id have to check Dr Pitres book The Case For Jesus. I encourage you to watch the latest clip by a channel called The Jewish Catholic, Daniel is in RCIA. He talks about this briefly in his latest clip yesterday. In it he explains Marriage as part of a covenant ratified by God.

[@JJ-nn8kr]

Michelle. Just for loving and as a mutual help. Why not? Many elderly couple do that now, so do many younger siblings too.

[@marcosmina9842]

Brilliant thank you 😊

[@kainosktisis777]

Thank you for that. I’d always kinda envisioned St. Joseph to have been a younger man in his 20s so it blew me away when I was told he was an old widower. 🤣 And now we have a clearer picture! 🤣 Food for thought…& I always appreciate your insights. Praying God keeps you & your family safe. Peace be with you! ☺️🙏🏼🕊

[@josephology3290]

Joseph was 33 when he married Mary per the mystics

[@rubynarapareddy4124]

Wow! Dr. Pitre, you are the best. A lot of conservative Catholics will be disappointed to learn that their traditional view of an elderly Joseph is not true. But we need to know and accept the fact of a young Joseph. 👌👌

[@sliglusamelius8578]

Why? I’m glad that he wasn’t an old man. Brant Pitre “proved” that Mary was ever Virgin in other videos and had no children with Joseph.

[@rubynarapareddy4124]

@@sliglusamelius8578 some time last year, while chatting about a picture of Mary with a young Joseph, I opined that Joseph was surely a young man. Cradle Catholics who were present were all up in arms. They were outraged by the picture as it was against tradition. They just wouldn't accept anything else.The intensity of the flare up still gives me goosebumps. I was thinking of them when I commented earlier. I must look up the videos you mentioned. Care to provide the links? Thanks

[@sliglusamelius8578]

@@rubynarapareddy4124 Thanks! Brant Pitre has a video called “Did Jesus have brothers” or some such. His book on Mary discusses her virginity. I’m sorry I can’t remember the name of it but it should be easy to google. God bless!

[@rubynarapareddy4124]

@Skelley-Priest Nothing could be further from the truth. But you are entitled to your opinion. God bless

[@josephology3290]

@@rubynarapareddy4124 tell them their "tradition" is a younger tradition (no pun intended) as the more ancient tradition is that of Joseph in the prime of his life as a "man" not as an "old man" as Dr Pitre shows from Luke 1 and which you can also see this tradition in the church fathers like Jerome and Athanasius as well as in the most ancient icons they had Joseph sporting a brown beard and brown hair, not white hair and white beard which came long after in Egypt due to the bad influence of that Gnostic false Gospel of James that got some traction.

[@Silent-N]

According to the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, St Joseph was 30 years and 3 months older than Mary (who was indeed a temple virgin, though the story is quite different from the one proposed by the counterfeit gospel that Dr Pitre debunks in this video). He had also taken a vow of virginity at the age of 12, and so he was especially pleased to learn that Mary wished to remain a perpetual virgin as well.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Utter nonsense. Mary and Joseph had quite a few boys and girls after Jesus.

[@sluggieify]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 No, your comment is utter nonsense. Mary never had other children and wheres you source, reference and citations to back up your false claim.

[@alhilford2345]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 : Welcome! I knew that this title would attract Protestants, so now you know the truth, don't you !

[@jon6car]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 If they had so many kids where were they when Jesus went to the temple to go teach and Mary and Joseph went looking for him? Why did Jesus give Mary to John if she had other sons?

[@scottirvine9749]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 And your proof?

[@josephology3290]

The difficulty of accepting the sublime mystery of their spousal communion has led some, since the 2nd century, to think of Joseph as advanced in age and to consider him Mary's guardian more than her husband. It is instead a case of supposing that he was not an elderly man at the time, but that his interior perfection, the fruit of grace, led him to live his spousal relationship with Mary with virginal affection. -- John Paul II

[@nchinth]

The most convincing argument is that there's no way an old man could have undertaken the arduous and risky journey with an about-to-deliver Mary to Bethlehem; and from thence to Egypt and back to Nazareth with a young wife and newborn!

[@adiaarau4463]

Yes men, tell that to Abraham too!!!

[@joseph_g_n]

@@adiaarau4463 Abraham had servants like Eliazer and fighting age men.

[@adiaarau4463]

@@joseph_g_n Yes but he didn't have the Roman Empire!

[@anthonypetrozzelli5429]

Excellent video! It makes sense that Joseph wasn't very, very old when he married Mary.

[@ALXandroATS]

So glad someone is finally giving Joseph the credit he deserves because he is truly the unsung hero of the Bible. One can only imagine the scorn, mockery and ridicule he must have endured from a public which most likely knew the child his wife was carrying was not his. Still, he went out of his way to be the greatest step father who ever lived. Christianity thanks you, Joseph, raising someone else’s child is never easy. Thank you.

[@munenex]

St. Joseph is rarely mentioned and it's good to get some info on him

[@joshrichards9121]

Thank you for that

[@aliceshaletdsouza8252]

Thank you Sir. God bless you

[@kent4833]

fascinating

[@dianat3836]

Thank you!!!

[@Gericho49]

On a similar note the Deuterocanon quoted (or referred to) in the New Testament are many Here's a quick list with the cross-references in the Protestant King James Bible (1611). Matthew 6:14-15 and Sirach 7:14 Matthew 27:43 and Wisdom 2:15,16 Luke 6:31 and Tobit 4:15 Luke 14:13 and Tobit 4:7 John 10:22 and 1 Maccabees 4:59 Romans and Wisdom, clay and the potter Romans 11:34 and Wisdom 9:13 2 Corinthians 9:7 and Sirach 35:8 Hebrew 1:3 and Wisdom 7:26 Hebrews 11:35 and 2 Maccabees 7:7 Revelation 8:2 and Tobit 12:15 [this one's not in the KJV, but worth noting, seven angels standing before God is not mentioned anywhere else in the Greek Old Testament] A quotation in the New Testament (or OT) does not make a work part of canon

[@hrd708]

Also word presbyteros not only applied to old man. Presbyter is used to call priest, yes even he is young as timothy

[@jamesndirangu1197]

From mystical writings e.g. Maria Valtorta's POEM OF THE MAN GOD, Mary of Agreda's MYSTICAL CITY OF GOD, Cecilia Baij's THE LIFE OF ST JOSEPH, St Joseph was 33 years old when he was betrothed to Mary.

[@patrickwhalen1715]

The book being discredited here is the only book that mentions Mary's mother Saint Anne. Would that not create an issue with the infallible teaching of the Pope?

[@ajamusic7322]

I learn so much from Dr. Pitre. I've read the Protoevangelium of James, and I wish I could ask him some questions about why it can't be reconciled with Luke: Luke both in the narrative calls Zechariah advanced in years, and Zechariah calls himself an "old man". Luke calls Joseph a man that would place him from his early twenties to his late forties, which means he could be getting close to be the age one is considered an "old man." And in the Proto, the author in its commentary doesn't call Joseph advanced or old the way Luke does Zachariah. Only Joseph speaks of hi.self as, "an old man." Could Joseph by speaking hyperbolically to make the point of the huge age gap between him in his thirties or forties and Mary who is around twelve? Couldn't Joseph also be in the twenties to forties age group and still be a widower? Also, while it states he has children, sons in particular but no mention of daughters, it doesn't mention them by name. It seems perfectly plausible that these sons are from a prior marriage that the mother died early, but are not James and Joses from the Gospels who are the sons of the other Mary, wife of Clopas. Then in the Proto, it doesn't put Mary in the temple at the time of the Annunciation. It says she returned home first.

[@josephology3290]

The false Gospel of James (aka Proto) was written by Tatian the Heretic it seems as Eusebius says he was the author of the Encratite heresy and the rebel student of Justin Martyr. Nutshell: there was NO MIDWIFE as the Proto alleges and Joseph was a "man" not an "old man" as the Proto alleges. Encratites had messed up views on marriage. It filters through in the Proto. Mystics likewise say Joseph was around 30, one she said he was 33 when he married Mary. Church fathers say Joseph was a virgin and ancient art show him as a man in his prime, not an 80 year old grandpa with white hair and white beard. How weird it would be if Mary's husband was 5 times older than her?! That would have surely caught the attention of Satan and the Pharisees who wanted to trap Jesus.

[@ajamusic7322]

@@josephology3290 which Eusebius writing can I find this in? I'm interested

[@josephology3290]

@@ajamusic7322 Eusebius of Caesarea’s The Ecclesiastical History, Book 4, chapter 29

[@alejandrowatson7667]

Thank you.

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Breaking it down Dr. Brant.... Haha. 🙏🏻👍🏻

[@jonloveland7781]

After looking into it a little the normal age of marriage for early Jews seemed to be between puberty and 20 years. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia it notes "any one remaining unmarried after his twentieth year is said to be cursed by God Himself". So while Joseph may not have been an old man like Zachariah he was still over the normal age of marriage when he married Mary and it sounds like he could have been well over the normal age. It still seems like he could have been previously married unless I'm missing something not in this video?

[@samueljennings4809]

I mean, he could still have been previously married, I think the point of the video is more that he was not in his eighties. He would be in his late thirties or early fourties at the oldest.

[@NMMD1531]

Thanks , Great Lecture. I agree!!! Please think about the location of Sha'ar HaAmakim in Israel. This is the ancient City of Gaba, Geva or Geva-Parashim. This city was founded by Herod the Great for his retired Veteran Calvary. Many tour guides point out that when Jesus was growing up in Nazareth, the same soldiers who tried to kill him as an infant were living several miles away across the Jezreel valley. There must be a good reason we don’t know much about Joseph. I suspect he may have died protecting Jesus as a youth against the old retirees of Herod’s Calvary. Someone would have told them about Jesus. Seems to me we should know more about St Joseph. Maybe we don’t because it’s intentional. If Joseph died in an altercation with Herod’s ex troops , most Jews would have been quiet in the Galilee . The wars of Varus describe the inhabitants of Sepphoris and Nazareth being crucified and enslaved after the rebellion against Rome when Herod the Great died. Thanks again!!!

[@juancarlosaliba4866]

Varus? You mean the Varus who was killed in the Teutoborg Forest battle led by Arminius?

[@NMMD1531]

@@juancarlosaliba4866 Yes! Varus was the governor in Antioch

[@ToTheeOBlessedJoseph]

To every single Church endorsed mystic or seer it has been revealed that: Joseph was a virgin. Joseph was Sanctified in the womb. He was early 30's when he married Our Lady. He had no biological children. This corresponds to what the majority of saints and Fathers have taught us. I highly recommend the books JOURNEY WITH JOSEPH, THE BOOK OF JOSEPH, and THE LIFE AND GLORIES OF ST. JOSEPH. Benedicamus Domino 🙏

[@Beanbag777]

Brilliant 👍 thanks

[@logosrhema5402]

Amen

[@NUKE.2024]

Wait a sec, is there a discrepancy? At 9:13 in video, Philo says a man identified as 'Aner' is < 49yo and a 'Presbytes' is< 56. At the 2:51 mark, the Protoevangelium says Joe was a 'Presbytes'. at at 7:33 the Luke Gospel says Joe was an 'Aner'. So, we should default to the Gospel and disregard the Protoevangelium (which is an apocryphal book) - correct ?

[@shinykg1932]

Thank you so much for this fact. I really want to know about the story of Lilly in the hands of st. Joseph.

[@JJ-nn8kr]

The (high) priest sought God’s help to choose the spouse of virgin Mary. All the eligible bachelors are asked to bring their staffs. The staff of Joseph blossom after the prayers and that is taken as the sign for whom is chosen by God. So goes the tradition.

[@michaelogrady232]

Joseph at 40 could still be a widower with sons and daughters. I believe the Protoevangelion contains the earliest traditions concerning Joseph, albeit poorly written, but still with a grain of truth. From what other source do we get the names of Mary's parents, both raised to the Altar, her mother being a great intercessor for the Faithful. The question I have is what is the source of Joseph's staff sprouting lillies?

[@magaman6353]

Interesting. If true, it meant St. Joseph was between 29 and 48 years old. Not pinning it down much though. I wish St. Luke had simply included his age. One would think he was on the younger side because Mary's parents, Anne and Joachim, would not have been disposed to giving their young daughter to a man up to 3 times her age. It would strain the natural order, knowing that Joseph would have to provide for her until she died, and he wasn't a rich man to begin with.

[@josephology3290]

Good point. Mystics say 33. Regardless, he was not 80! Or 90 as one other Gnostic apocryphal text says. That's an Eastern tradition that puts Joseph 5 times her age! #Josephology

[@Maria-us4ph]

Is there any video regarding hidden years of Jesus by Dr Brant Pitre?

[@asiaaviator5353]

Great talk! Please join our Josephology Facebook group everyone who loves St. Joseph!

[@joolz5747]

Awesome!

[@kitt765]

So interesting! But, it doesn't tally with what Jesus Himself has shown the saints about Joseph. And Jesus tells us that even though both Mary and Joseph maintained their virginity as they had agreed at the time of their marriage (Jewish law recognised this form of marriage), they did indeed love each other. It was so lovely to find that out, coz no one ever thinks about that & presumes they were only with eachother to do the will of God. God is so wonderful - making sure there was love & not just mutual respect (which of course there was)🕊💖

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

What is your reference for this please?

[@LoveRock50]

I don't think this is correct, as when I read the book of Mary of Agreda, it is written that Joseph was unmarried and he was a Chasity person

[@samcash7398]

In the book The Mystical City of God and the visions of the Venerable Mary of Agreda (a book deemed worthy of belief by the Church) Joseph is described as being a descendant of David, chaste and 33 years old when he was chosen by Divine intervention to be the husband of Mary. Joseph had chosen a life of chastity and was a little disturbed that he was to be a husband.

[@magaman6353]

You can't rely on that though. The Poem of the Man God et al by Maria Valtorta, gives umpteen biblical details BUT it's shot through with umpteen errors including ones against the faith. Being "worthy of belief" in no way means that the details contained therein are accurate, or even true. Private revelations are at best deserving of human faith, not theological faith.

[@mcsmith7692]

THE MYSTICAL CITY OF GOD, VOLUME 1, Chapter XXII THE ESPOUSAL OF MOST HOLY MARY WITH THE MOST CHASTE SAINT JOSEPH. 755. On the day on which, as we have said in the preceding chapter, our Princess Mary completed the fourteenth year of her life, the men, who at that time in the city of Jerusalem were descendants of the tribe of Juda and of the race of David, gathered together in the temple. The sovereign Lady was also of that lineage. Among the number was Joseph, a native of Nazareth, and then living in Jerusalem; for he was one of the descendants of the royal race of David. He was then thirty-three years of age, of handsome person and pleasing countenance, but also of incomparable modesty and gravity; above all he was most chaste in thought and conduct, and most saintly in all his inclinations. From his twelfth year he had made and kept the vow of chastity. He was related to the Virgin Mary in the third degree, and was known for the utmost purity of his life, holy and irreprehensible in the eyes of God and of men.

[@luisamedici5890]

Thank u Mcsmith76!🙏🙏🙏 Exxxxxxcellent! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@Ekim1740]

I think. They are making Joseph an Old guy like an archetype of the God the Father which is depicted as an old Man.

[@pearljoson450]

Great to know

[@MilesMariae]

Yeah Brant, but you know loads of the Fathers say Joseph was an Old Man. Does Brant reject the presentation of Mary in the temple then because it also happens to be first mentioned in the protoevangelium? Furthermore the thing from Lk is an amazing red herring. Zachariah as Presbyter is clearly running on the priestly connotation of the word in the early church . Furthermore Aner is a species and Zachariah could have called himself Aner without error just as a man today who is 80 is not oblidged to say "I am elderly" he can without error say "i am a man" just as a 25year old.

[@billyhw5492]

I think they used a different word for temple priests.

[@adelaidawallaert287]

🙏❤️

[@BronxCat]

30 or 33...when he married Mary

[@christopherroth1702]

There's only 5 chapters in James...the video sites James 8:x-x.. ???

[@jerrytang3146]

Wow! And I thought St. Joseph was an old man when he married Mama Mary.

[@blindfilipina]

😇

[@runikangar6733]

Praise the Lord,👍sharing,enlightenment on how old is Joseph…I believe that St Joseph was no longer alive when Jesus was crucified,otherwise he should be there...?

[@errolugdamina815]

How about Mary? How old was Mary when she gave birth to Jesus?

[@bammbamm12]

We do not see Joseph after the finding of Jesus in the Temple, so it would support an older Joseph - not necessarily an "old man" at the time of Jesus' birth. Being a widower, and possibly in his late 40's, he could have seen himself as an "old man" in comparison to a 14 year old girl. It also doesn't make sense in Dr. Pitre's presentation that the alleged heretic who wrote this book would have any concern over preserving the idea of Mary's perpetual virginity, or making an account for Jesus' "brothers". I have no dog in this fight (as they say), but I never thought of Joseph as old old, but possibly middle aged.

[@Fetrovsky]

Where is the full talk?

[@alephtav4254]

50 WAS HIDDEN THE NUMBER 🙏🙏🙏🙏 STRONG CONCORDANCE MY FATHER IS THE RESCUE.. JESUS CAME TO DELIVER US GOD BLESS

[@sleepinglioness5754]

This should be common knowledge in our faith. If Joseph had had children from a previous marriage, then why did only he and Mary go to Bethlehem? He could not have been a widower for very long because men needed wives if they had or did not have children. Otherwise...they would have starved to death!

[@Sean-lv6fx]

Excellent, I'd never heard this before. I'd assumed he was around 40+ years of age when he was bethrothed to Mary if there is any truth to him having children from a previous marriage. There are other apocryphal books which make similar claims about Joseph having children before he was bethrothed to Mary, such as the, 'History of Joseph the Carpenter.'

[@justsomevids4541]

St Mary of Agreda who got visions of Mother Mary reported that Joseph was 33 years old and that he similarly took a vow of chastity when he was 12. Joseph also remained a virgin

[@josephology3290]

Gnostic apocraphal texts written by heretics make this claim, along with a midwife being there, perhaps due to the heresy of Encratitism authored by Tatian the heretic. But the true Gospels and majority of church fathers and ancient artwork show Joseph NOT to be an "old man" but as the Bible clearly says a "man" betrothed to Mary...

[@asiaaviator5353]

Awesome! How does this apply to Simeon which English translations call a “man”? So then, was Simeon also NOT an “old man” as he is usually pictured?

[@samueljennings4809]

I think the difference with Simeon is that it's implied that he is older due to the fact that God "would not let him die until he saw the child". It isn't explicitly said that Simeon was old, but that praise about Simeon asking God to "depart in peace" sounds like he is very advanced in years and about to die.

[@josephology3290]

@@samueljennings4809 what's tradition say about Simeon?

[@sageseraph5035]

In my opinion, Joseph was probably in his late 30’s or early 40’s when he married Mary since when Jesus is on the cross he gives Mary to live with John. This would imply Joseph has already died. If Joseph died from old age, it was probably around the age of 60. Doing the math, Joseph was probably around 30 or 40 when he married Mary assuming Joseph died later into the earthly life of Jesus.

[@ibatan7243]

Agree with you. In those days both men and women used to get married early thus he had boys and girls (that people get confused and think that they are the children of Mary but they are not. They are the step-brothers/sisters of J.C.) from his deceased wife. Also, if he's was still a carpenter then he cannot be 90y or even 80y and still working in a such tough job.

[@Silent-N]

You are correct; according to the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, St Joseph was 30 years and 3 months older than Mary, who herself was 14 when he married her, making him 44 at the time of their betrothal and 45 by the time Christ was born. :)

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

@@ibatan7243 How pathetic. The Roman Catholic system will come up with any nonsense to convince people that Mary stayed a virgin all her life. Utter tripe.

[@sluggieify]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Keep your ignorance and blatant bigotry to yourself. You know nothing of the Catholic teachings on Mary. And as I asked in another of your ignorant posts. Please supply your source, reference and citations to back up your false claims.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@sluggieify He has no source to back up his claims. He is his own Pope making declarations on faith and morals. Pope Smeaton Lighthouse has a sad pathetic life that's why he trolls Catholic channels.

[@billyhomeyer7414]

Gospel of Mary Magdeline says Dr Pitre is 121 yrs old

[@MilesMariae]

I would say he was probably about 50 at the time of the annunciation.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

Based on what exactly? He was young when he got married and the annunciation was before they completed their full marriage ceremony.

[@williamburych2136]

According to the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich, in "The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary", St Joseph was never married and was about 33 tears of age at the time of his engagement. This agreed with the visions of Sr. Mary of Jesus of Agreda (Spain) in the "Mystical City of God".

[@DanielJohn2300]

I believe that he was a widowed father, with no intentions of marrying his betrothed wife Mary; because when the angel told her that she would conceive a son, she asked, "How will this be?" (Luke 1v34) That question shows that she was not expecting Joseph to marry her. If he didn't betroth her for the purpose of marrying her, then the only other purpose would be to guard her virginity, as it was a capital crime (under the Law of Moses) to end a girl's virginity if she was betrothed. Also, Joseph didn't find out how Mary got pregnant until after the fact (Mat. 1v19). If his intention was to father children with her, then it would have been inappropriate for the angel to visit Mary without also visiting Joseph at the same time.

[@jzak5723]

There is no indication whatsoever that Joseph did not intend to take Mary as his wife.

[@DanielJohn2300]

@@jzak5723 Maybe not to you, but to me, there is an indication; and it is the fact that God waited until AFTER Mary was pregnant before telling Joseph about it, and also the fact that Mary asked the angel "How will this be?" The future tense of the verb "will be" is significant. It means that she did not intend to "know" Joseph in the future.

[@jzak5723]

@@DanielJohn2300 The Scripture does say that they were betrothed though, which indicates that they were already in the first stage of the marriage contract according to Jewish custom. But I do agree with you that it is highly possible that Mary did not intend to "know" man, but it would have already been discussed among the two of them prior to the betrothal I would think, and Joseph must have agreed to it.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

I was literally only reading this today wondering how trustworthy it was.

[@kalotinamichelot8502]

Your information is incorrect, St Joseph was an older man, he had children from his first marriage, St James is the brother of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and we know That Our Sweet Mother The Theotokos only had Our Lord Jesus, so that means that St James is son of St Joseph. St Judas Thaddios, St Simion, Salomi we’re children of St Joseph, he had a total of 6 children. I’m Greek Orthodox and there is so much tradition passed down to us, st John the Apostle said there is not enough paper to write everything down on paper about Our Lords life !

[@samueljennings4809]

Joseph could have had James from his first marriage and still be free to remarry by his late thirties if 1) Joseph married and had a child with his first wife early on, and 2) his first wife died. So there is no contradiction. Some of them may have been cousins, but it was a blend of brothers/sisters and cousins.

[@stevecoyle1]

I read through the Apocrypha. Can anyone please point me to the scriptures that reveal this?

[@oliver8160]

When catholics refer to Apocrypha we do not refer to scripture. A protestant bible has 66 books whereas a catholic bible as 73 books. Catholics do not consider the 7 books apocrypha, they are known as deuterocanonical. So if you read through those 7 books, you will not find it. Also, they are all from before the time of Jesus (Old testament stuff) Apocrypha books are forgeries written in the 2nd century claiming they are books by the apostles. However, they were written to late to be scripture since all the apostles would have died by then already.

[@paulmiller3469]

Dr. Pitre cited the Gospel of St. Luke, and the words used to describe Zechariah and Joseph (assuming you were referring to the claim about Joseph's age with 'this').

[@sandrahermit3598]

Re-watch the video. It has the Scripture in it. I believe it's in Luke 1 but he is using the words from the Greek translation that refer to the ages of men.

[@SMOKINGKILLS-j2y]

So Joseph was around 90 when he married Mother Mary. 😍

[@samueljennings4809]

Hmmm, no. More likely between mid-20's and early 40's. How did you get "around 90"?

[@tyh3120]

Thanks ! Lots of Antichrists try to consfuse.

[@EzekielsWheels22]

By typology, Joseph should have at least been old enough to be Mary's father. We see Boaz praise Ruth for selecting him instead of the younger men, although he was not too old to father children. Ruth and Boaz is a resolution of disfunction of Boaz' line from Judah and Tamar (father and daughter-in-law) and Ruth's line from Lot and his daughters. Note that for Judah and Tamar, once she conceived, they never had relations again - an image of Mary's perpetual virginity.

[@Wall2000x]

Speculation.

[@tumbletoes909]

Excellent ideas! Really superb! The ancient tensions are all set for resolution eventually. Our Lord set about some of them himself.

[@tumbletoes909]

@@Wall2000x Typology is a serious invitation to speculate, and often a sound measure for a hypothesis, which is itself speculative.

[@jpvadakkekara7598]

29 when got married.

[@neilwatson2412]

How old is Mary

[@JJ-nn8kr]

Many sources conclude it as mid teens.

[@manorama12]

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[@josephology3290]

But some Byzantine Catholics and Greek Orthodox say Joseph was and elderly widower as part of their “tradition” - like this recent video below. How to reconcile this big difference? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpvUgmdmjMuYo7csi=OEMec1HOW4ifjrvv

[@josephb6652]

4:40 st joseph was not a carpenter but a builder...he himself must have worked in the temple of herod....and this is why he had the right to consider the temple as his father`s....and many other instances where Jesus mentions such works.

[@hrd708]

Why catholic sounds like protestant? Using one word to create theology? ανδρι is used to describe abraham in his old days. Read the Septuagint

[@heatherwhitehead3743]

Sounds like you just have a personal problem with Joseph being a widower and older.

[@samueljennings4809]

Lol, "the evidence doesn't support my personal belief, so the person making the argument must be wrong".

[@allglorytogod7054]

mystical city of God has lots of missing timelines...not apocrypha.

[@nonoyyonon8228]

I think he was like my age 47 because i looked so old already haha

[@rendangpete6498]

Proto-Gospel of james 9 [Numbers 16:31-33]

[@nhartigan72]

Why always so hard on Judas? He was an apostle, he had a job to do that no one would've wanted. We have no reason to believe that he wanted Jesus to be harmed in any way. He felt so bad about what happened that he took his own life. We may find him sitting on a throne when Jesus returns.

[@angelamalek]

The NT books were included based on veracity, but also because they were read regularly during Mass. Not all apocryphal books were heretical.