How One Change Broke the Ghost and Dark Type

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@FalseSwipeGaming
@FalseSwipeGaming 17 күн бұрын
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@GlowstickLamps
@GlowstickLamps 17 күн бұрын
No.
@bakunawa4521
@bakunawa4521 17 күн бұрын
Rather have Raid flavor of greedy than MSF tbh.
@brandontherabboat4850
@brandontherabboat4850 17 күн бұрын
Steel-types losing their Ghost- and Dark-type resists was the worst day of Bronzong’s life.
@Kubosarutobi
@Kubosarutobi 17 күн бұрын
And Metagross And Jirachi
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 17 күн бұрын
​@@Kubosarutobinah Jirachi deserves it for what he did
@DjilaliAlaouia
@DjilaliAlaouia 17 күн бұрын
why?​@@Nethaura
@nerddwarf
@nerddwarf 17 күн бұрын
​​@@DjilaliAlaouia Serene Grace Iron Head
@reccafire583
@reccafire583 17 күн бұрын
honestly just a bad call in general
@bdt2002gaming
@bdt2002gaming 17 күн бұрын
One of my favorite Gen 9 Pokémon, Garganacl, is as such in part because the Pokémon’s design philosophy feels almost tailor-made to address the type chart without actually making a new Type just for one Pokémon. A hypothetical “Salt” Type that hits Water and Steel for super-effective damage (Salt Cure) and also resists Ghost (Purifying Salt) sounds like one of those oddly specific solutions to something you might see in a ROM hack or some other place.
@catboysephiroth560
@catboysephiroth560 17 күн бұрын
We love Big Minecraft Man in this household
@knucklesskinner253
@knucklesskinner253 17 күн бұрын
I don’t know what to say other than I like and agree with this comment. Garganacl is fire
@jeremyperez1075
@jeremyperez1075 17 күн бұрын
I have a shiny Garganacl​@@knucklesskinner253
@zoruasnivy
@zoruasnivy 17 күн бұрын
Love your profile pic, ukelele pichu takes me back
@ragnaricstudios5888
@ragnaricstudios5888 17 күн бұрын
A salt type would be redundant due to the fact it’s a rock
@detectivemuffler8083
@detectivemuffler8083 17 күн бұрын
“And Flutter Mane for… existing.” I mean, that’s the most accurate way to describe banning that… monstrosity.
@poppyfrancis7338
@poppyfrancis7338 17 күн бұрын
It and Iron Bundle are just straight up the most insane "regular" Pokémon Game Freak has come up with. Just... Give a near unresistable type combo the perfect stats to do the only thing they want? And movepools that further enable them to boot?
@ogmechsftw
@ogmechsftw 17 күн бұрын
@@poppyfrancis7338 well, iron bundle has to use hydro pump so it's not as cracked. but yes
@GravityIsFalling
@GravityIsFalling 17 күн бұрын
@@poppyfrancis7338 It’s also one of the most inconsistent pokemon thanks to hydro pump
@hatyyy
@hatyyy 17 күн бұрын
@@poppyfrancis7338 its not near unresistable, its completely unresistable, theres nothing in the game that resists both water and freeze dry
@ragnaricstudios5888
@ragnaricstudios5888 17 күн бұрын
@@ogmechsftwimagine if it got scald lol
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 17 күн бұрын
Competitive relevance is cool and all but don't forget: They generally get some of the most BANGER designs in the franchise
@iamthestrong927
@iamthestrong927 17 күн бұрын
True!
@booradley6832
@booradley6832 17 күн бұрын
Furret and Pigeot declare normal type supremacy.
@sylvicx3437
@sylvicx3437 17 күн бұрын
TRUE! Ghost and Dark are some of my favorite types because of those amazing desings, I always loved those guys
@CArcherOwl
@CArcherOwl 17 күн бұрын
*Mimikyu has entered the chat*
@BluesKirby
@BluesKirby 17 күн бұрын
Ghostmons often get really solid designs, which irks me when TPC uses Gengar for the 80 billionth time when doing anything Halloween/spooky related. Guys you have a whole roster of ghostmons. USE THEM.
@cabrondemente1
@cabrondemente1 17 күн бұрын
Give Bug resistance to both Ghost and Dark. Most bugs enjoy dark places and they've been historically related to rituals and potions, justifying the Ghost resistance.
@baxterbruce9827
@baxterbruce9827 17 күн бұрын
Give Bug super effectiveness against Fairy while we're at it, it makes way more sense than Fairy resisting it
@aaronolson6736
@aaronolson6736 17 күн бұрын
Minus 2 weaknesses on Shedinja, Orbeetle, and Rabsca is strong for them all being designed as defensive, especially Shedinja with it's gimmick defense
@ZeroTheBot
@ZeroTheBot 17 күн бұрын
@@baxterbruce9827 ye, never really understood why fairy resists bug
@cabrondemente1
@cabrondemente1 17 күн бұрын
@@baxterbruce9827 They should be neutral to one another imo, they coexist in forests.
@SomeAsian
@SomeAsian 17 күн бұрын
@@cabrondemente1 Fairy and Bug should resist each other like Bug and Fighting do IMO.
@Gemini090693
@Gemini090693 17 күн бұрын
34:34 "Houndstone for Last Respect, Annihilape for Rage Fist and Flutter Mane for existing" I busted out laughing so hard
@TheOtherNeutrino
@TheOtherNeutrino 17 күн бұрын
You forgot to mention the lower tier gatekeeper that is Lokix. Held back only by its base stats, it combines Dark's spammability with STAB on the best utility attack in U-turn and the strongest priority attack in the game, First Impression. Tinted Lens severely limits defensive switch-ins.
@solaimanshahriar6202
@solaimanshahriar6202 17 күн бұрын
Imagine without the nerf how much more broken XY Aegislash, Mega Metagross, Dusk Mane Necrozma and Gholdengo would be
@tonberry2670
@tonberry2670 17 күн бұрын
Nah. Pre-steel nerf would have probably been bad for them. More pokemon would be able to resist their STAB moves so more mons could potentially switch in on them.
@sirmoony5633
@sirmoony5633 17 күн бұрын
No wonder why Steel was way better Gens 2-5 since it's way more of a defensive type anyway. LOL
@Aaronrules380
@Aaronrules380 17 күн бұрын
I don't know that XY Aegislash would care that much to be honest. It still has perfect neutral cover with sacred sword/close combat and a ghost attack if you want a more offensive set, and defensive sets relied more on gyro ball and toxic anyways and didn't always run ghost moves. Having more defensive utility probably benefits it more and lets it have an easier time setting up with stuff like substitute or swords dance which is probably more useful
@sylvrwolflol
@sylvrwolflol 17 күн бұрын
@@sirmoony5633I'm not really sure what world you're living in where steel isn't one of the single most dominant types in competitive play right now. There's like 14 different broken steels running around between various Smogon tiers and VGC regulations this gen.
@yeet8036
@yeet8036 17 күн бұрын
They meant that steel was even more broken than now,which is true​@@sylvrwolflol
@pokegod70419
@pokegod70419 17 күн бұрын
"...and Flutter Mane for.. existing." WHY IS THAT SO FUNNY TO ME im literally rolling on my bed laughing
@limitlessapocalypse2702
@limitlessapocalypse2702 17 күн бұрын
Anytime fluttermane uses an offensive move my router catches on fire
@spymander7492
@spymander7492 17 күн бұрын
"You took my only resists! Now I'm gonna get OHKO'd!" - Iron Patrick
@christianbuffum-robbins8904
@christianbuffum-robbins8904 17 күн бұрын
For Ghosts types, at least, it's largely because Pursuit got snapped out of existence
@This_0ne_Person
@This_0ne_Person 17 күн бұрын
Yep. Pre-gen 8, ghost types were being kept in check by pursuit. Now, without that and steel not resisting it, ghost is running around uncontrollably
@TunisianTesticleTickler
@TunisianTesticleTickler 17 күн бұрын
@@This_0ne_Person I was thinking instead of giving steels their dark and ghost resistance back they could give some steels an ability similar to thick fat that gives them resists to ghost and dark, I call it "holy armor"
@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736
@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736 17 күн бұрын
Yeah the removal of pursuit was a big mistake.
@JoshManDade
@JoshManDade 17 күн бұрын
Still don’t know why they did this.
@Hugo-yz1vb
@Hugo-yz1vb 17 күн бұрын
​@@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736Tyranitar caught a stray just by existing
@thel-iteralone4592
@thel-iteralone4592 17 күн бұрын
Amazing how both of these types share the same super effective coverage as well as a low amount of other types that resist them.
@Lord_Nexus14
@Lord_Nexus14 17 күн бұрын
Fairy was added not only to break dragon types and to actually give dark and ghost combo a weakness 💀
@YoJoRockThaBeat
@YoJoRockThaBeat 17 күн бұрын
Not Ghost. Ghost is neutral.
@cabrondemente1
@cabrondemente1 17 күн бұрын
​@@YoJoRockThaBeat OP means Sableye and Spiritomb
@RunningRenegade
@RunningRenegade 17 күн бұрын
^Facts. This individual is a fellow vet. @Lord_Nexus14
@MyLadyLuna
@MyLadyLuna 17 күн бұрын
​​@@cabrondemente1LMAO Spiritomb
@Lord_Nexus14
@Lord_Nexus14 17 күн бұрын
@@YoJoRockThaBeat I said the ghost and dark "combo", before gen 6, it had no weaknesses
@igeomagician
@igeomagician 17 күн бұрын
I love how until platinum this is just a "how GREAT was gengar actually"
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 17 күн бұрын
Gamefreak making ghost types in gen 1 have One line, that is all special instead of physical, and giving it a type specialist: My goals are beyond your understanding
@miichael_163
@miichael_163 17 күн бұрын
I mean the only damaging ghost move was lick, so I can understand that being physical. Everything else though... yeah...
@jasonmoscynski8170
@jasonmoscynski8170 17 күн бұрын
They were also Poison-type so weak against Psychic-type moves.
@M4x_P0w3r
@M4x_P0w3r 17 күн бұрын
@@jasonmoscynski8170 And they fumbled and made psychic immune to ghost by accident
@DeathLeprecon
@DeathLeprecon 17 күн бұрын
That almost feels in character for Gengar's devious nature. "I've got a high special attack, but good luck using stab with my typing!"
@Matpit18
@Matpit18 17 күн бұрын
Never thought I’d see the day where Fighting, a type with less than 4 resistances, would be valued for its defensive capabilities
@showdowncraft1659
@showdowncraft1659 17 күн бұрын
Turns out having Great Neutral coverage is very good. Now imagine ghost or Dark getting a Draco Meteor equivalent STAB
@wyatt4227
@wyatt4227 17 күн бұрын
Dark has knock off
@xx_squirtle8621
@xx_squirtle8621 17 күн бұрын
@@wyatt422798 power for one turn isn’t as bad as 130
@Monroah
@Monroah 17 күн бұрын
Honestly after the insanity that was Calyrex Shadow and Last Respects, it's only a matter of time. Well, for Ghost anyway. Because no matter how good Dark is, it's never getting a move above 100 that doesn't have a stipulation to it. Or another good special attack, while we're at it.
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 Күн бұрын
@@Monroah dark pulse has the same bp as shadow ball
@Monroah
@Monroah Күн бұрын
@@Blanktester685 Hence the use of "another," since it and Night Daze are the most used dark special attacks. But even then, those are the only big dark special attacks (unless a generation post-7 introduced one that I just forgot about) and don't go as insane as Astral Barrage
@rdxgamer1772
@rdxgamer1772 17 күн бұрын
im convinced that steel types losing a reist to ghost and dark was a product of GF thinking that would help balance aegislash while also premautely buffing it at the same time
@sirmoony5633
@sirmoony5633 17 күн бұрын
Imagine if the Fairy type didn't exist and that Steel still has the Dark and Ghost resistances, then Aegislash would be neutral to Dark and Ghosti nstead of being weak to them, making it's only weaknesses to be Fire and Ground. Pretty much like with how the Steel/Psychic combination used to function before the Fairy type.
@SilverAlex92
@SilverAlex92 17 күн бұрын
Nah, I think its because they thought making steel resist fairy and hit it for super effective was a worthy trade off, not a nerf. Aegislash is probably a foregone conclusion of this "heeey now that steel doesnt resist ghost and dark we can make a sick steel ghost pokemon!"
@tysonvienneau1830
@tysonvienneau1830 17 күн бұрын
It's feels right that the power of Ghost and Dark types are how much of an annoyance they can be with their tricks like ghost's defensive immunities and dark's diverse moves that cause issues to any team
@iiLH_hates_furrys
@iiLH_hates_furrys 17 күн бұрын
Metagross after losing the dark and ghost neutrality: 😢 *falls to RU*
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL 17 күн бұрын
But hey it’s back to UU in gen 9, even if only because of Tera
@albabimam1114
@albabimam1114 17 күн бұрын
@@goGothitaLOL its not because of Tera, Metagross hates Terastallizing. Its mainly because it got access to better moves in Heavy Slam, Psychic Fangs and Knock Off and it (was) a great Latios answer. Its falling off in UU recently though
@benross9174
@benross9174 16 күн бұрын
@@albabimam1114 back to RU it goes...
@albabimam1114
@albabimam1114 16 күн бұрын
@@benross9174 We RU players will eagerly welcome it back with open arms
@andrewyerian214
@andrewyerian214 11 күн бұрын
Why did they do this to steel types??
@ryukthedarkrai4259
@ryukthedarkrai4259 17 күн бұрын
Alt title: How Pokemon Broke The Ghost Type and Also Knock Off
@ItsJustKaya
@ItsJustKaya 17 күн бұрын
After 20 years they could overcome their phobia
@kinorey0261
@kinorey0261 16 күн бұрын
15:28 Darkrai using Dark Pulse in Revolution looks so badass, it fits it perfectly.
@danwg3368
@danwg3368 17 күн бұрын
As a lover of ghost-type Pokemon, I'm torn. I love that there's so many viable ghost options now, but it does feel a little bit over-saturated. Certain types (like ghost or dragon) would be cooler if they were less common IMO
@shoodychakras820
@shoodychakras820 17 күн бұрын
What options are there outside of pult goldhengo and gengar? Ghost has the fewest amount of mons and they’re either broken (aegi and calyrex) or just weaker variants of a diff ghost with few niches to separate them. Oh and I forgot sinistea is decent
@GlossArt
@GlossArt 17 күн бұрын
​@@shoodychakras820 it only feels like there aren't that many because the rest are banned or neutered. Ignoring the boxart legendaries there's houndstone and basculegion (if they had access to last respects in singles), annihilape, flutter mane and spectrier. For things with OU niches or just recently being discovered to be good enough for OU there's pecharunt, ceruledge, skeledirge and sinistcha like you mentioned. And then there are the dudes who aren't in this game but would be banned or OU if they were like marshadow, blacephalon, mega gengar, mega sableye and mega banette. Tera would also likely give even nerfed aegislash a niche again with the king's shield mind games it can do on top of that That's a lot of ghost types imo
@Cacus-Eva
@Cacus-Eva 17 күн бұрын
Gamefreak to Gengar: “Here, you get to kill Metagross and Skamory. And a broken mega.” *Steals his ability to float through the air when smells a delicious pie one gen later*
@primrosevale1995
@primrosevale1995 17 күн бұрын
Why? Look at the model it's clearly standing on the ground, not levitating.
@vanjagalovic3621
@vanjagalovic3621 17 күн бұрын
​​@@primrosevale1995Pls ignore the lore, movies, anime, manga and official artwork which features Gengar floating in the air.
@primrosevale1995
@primrosevale1995 17 күн бұрын
@@vanjagalovic3621 Most of the time it’s standing on the ground. Just because a Pokémon can levitate doesn’t mean it should have the ability. If that was the case, the Sinnoh legends, Milotic, and all fish Pokémon should have the ability.
@facade6927
@facade6927 16 күн бұрын
@@primrosevale1995Agreed. The other day some dude was arguing with me hella that Metagross should have levitate cause it can levitate. I told him just what you said but brother just refused to listen 😂 instead he started insulting me
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 Күн бұрын
@@primrosevale1995 its had levitate for years at that point, why change it randomly? also most mythical pokemon are visible floating in the air yet they dont get levitate?
@Hello_World_not_taken
@Hello_World_not_taken 17 күн бұрын
Good GOD imagine what havoc Aegislash could have wrought if it was Gen 5
@cheyanne2001
@cheyanne2001 17 күн бұрын
Instant Ubers, or even AG given how Steel worked in Gens 1-5
@justinnzamora5366
@justinnzamora5366 17 күн бұрын
​@@cheyanne2001*Gens 2-5. Steel didn't exist in Gen 1. Just thought I'd point it out.
@cheyanne2001
@cheyanne2001 17 күн бұрын
@justinnzamora5366 right, duh. Brain fart
@yeet8036
@yeet8036 17 күн бұрын
S tier uber threat
@cheyanne2001
@cheyanne2001 16 күн бұрын
@@justinnzamora5366 yes you're right, I had a fabulous brain fart my bad! (Also KZbin exploded my previous comment, thanks youtube!)
@somerandominternetdweller
@somerandominternetdweller 17 күн бұрын
They did Gengar dirty. The original final evolution ghost.
@mogalixir
@mogalixir 17 күн бұрын
Losing levitate is a bummer
@primrosevale1995
@primrosevale1995 17 күн бұрын
​@@mogalixir Why? Look at the model it's clearly standing on the ground, not levitating.
@noahberan6498
@noahberan6498 17 күн бұрын
It makes Oricorio Sensu better, so I'm all for it
@misterzygarde6431
@misterzygarde6431 17 күн бұрын
I do wonder why Steel resisted Dark and Ghost in the first place
@mogalixir
@mogalixir 17 күн бұрын
Because Steel was not supposed to have any good moves.
@Riawil2
@Riawil2 17 күн бұрын
Because GF is weird.
@thefloodwatch785
@thefloodwatch785 17 күн бұрын
@@mogalixir they wanted steel to be "the" defensive type because gen 1 in general was offense heavy. Later on I think they realized having one type with 11 resistances was overkill
@kailesperance1922
@kailesperance1922 17 күн бұрын
I think it’s because for Dark, many things used to combat crime are made of steel, and for Ghost, steel machines aren’t really living beings and therefore can’t feel fear.
@rossthemoss6827
@rossthemoss6827 17 күн бұрын
For ghost i think it was the was based on the old belief that iron warded off ghost and spirits For dark IDK maybe because silver and gold are commonly seen as able to ward back evil
@brett1908
@brett1908 12 күн бұрын
Last respect/rage fist is probably the most broken move gamefreak has ever released. 😂
@artimist0315
@artimist0315 13 күн бұрын
I honestly think dark's type chart is really balanced currently, maybe even on the weaker side, what makes dark so good in my opinion is more so the really good stabs it gets with knock off allowing it to do consistent progress even on resistances, as even old steel types would be threatened by knock off. In the end gen 6 nerfed dark more that it helped it with fairy types, it's just that the knock off buff was more noticeable due to the lack of great fairies. Ghost in the other hand is easily one of the best types in the game, in my opinion it's third below steel and fairy and above ground, water and flying, it only got two defensive answers and normal is so bad it's almost never seen in competitive, making dark the only option (which also explains why dark is so prominent right now, it's the only reliable answer to ghost). The type is only held back by its roster, which generally find themselves lacking in power, bulk or speed, as well as shadow ball being a somewhat weak stab option. Ghost honestly feels like a better dragon type right now, it has a similar number of matchups with 1 big counter (fairy and dark respectively), 1 defensive check and 4 resistances, ghost just has the benefit of having two of those resistances be immunities and not being as blocked by dark as dragon is blocked by ghost. In my opinion ghost should lose its bug resistance and be resisted by bug, this interaction makes the least sense and unfairly nerfs bug while the type is already struggling defensively. I think bug resisting ghost would make some sense, ghost powers are mostly about the target being isolated and spooked, which wouldn't be that effective against a swarm of bugs.
@ALDO_GOODENS
@ALDO_GOODENS 17 күн бұрын
The fact that Ghost type was physical before the physical/special split will forever baffle me.
@arcadiawhimsies
@arcadiawhimsies 17 күн бұрын
my favorite part is dark being special but once gen 4 came in, every already existing dark type move became physical
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL 17 күн бұрын
May as well two other similar types of the same coin, Ice and Rock (They’re more similar than initially realized, gameplay-wise anyway) High offense (both threaten 4 types), low defense (4 and 5 weaknesses respectively), both have more slow bulky mons than fast offensive ones, both resisted by Steel, both have an iconic move that more known from being used by anything but Ice and Rock types themselves, and both can’t even be saved by being paired with /Steel.
@rossthemoss6827
@rossthemoss6827 17 күн бұрын
The Saddest thing is at least one of those types have an identity Ice actually does really good when they lean into the strengths of an ice type, by making them bltizing fast or a way to to boost their speed while relying on the high defense they give most ice types. Rock can't even live up to being an amazing offensive type with how inconsistent their moves are, and with how ground pretty much just uses them better for the most part :(
@miikaroos3809
@miikaroos3809 16 күн бұрын
I've been saying for a long time that Ice needs defensive buffs. At least Rock resists some types, but Ice resists only itself. Make it resist Water and one other type, at least. Maybe Flying.
@Triviality
@Triviality 17 күн бұрын
Give Gengar Levitate Back :)
@Dingus_Mcbingused
@Dingus_Mcbingused 17 күн бұрын
They could make it its hidden ability
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 17 күн бұрын
Gengar gets Levitate back when Confusion becomes a viable strategy again. God gen 7 was just addicted to nerfs
@Werelight
@Werelight 17 күн бұрын
Give me levitate gengar or give me war
@DominiqueEugene-m7k
@DominiqueEugene-m7k 17 күн бұрын
I want my Darkrai’s Dark Void back instead man. I missed running around terrorizing players who weren’t ready from gen 4-5. Last game a played was Ultra Moon. Tried getting into Gen 8 when it came out, but I just couldn’t. The Pokémon designs aren’t as good anymore, the power creep was too much, the constant hand holding & easier routes the games take, nah I’m good. Idk even know what generation this “Nemona” chick is from, but after seeing her team & gameplays of how easily she can be swept, can’t get into Pokémon anymore.
@Werelight
@Werelight 17 күн бұрын
@ vgc smeargle memes
@monster3339
@monster3339 17 күн бұрын
dark and ghost have long been tied as my favorite types, so watching their ascent into godhood after having so long been stuck in a supportive role has been... satisfying :)
@GWFanSoftcoreBrony
@GWFanSoftcoreBrony 17 күн бұрын
I kinda don't mind the insanity of ghosts since it has always been my favorite type since the beginning.
@ianr.navahuber2195
@ianr.navahuber2195 17 күн бұрын
Imagine if Game Freak finally got their heads out of the gutter and made Bug Type genuinely meta viable
@reyth9887
@reyth9887 17 күн бұрын
Im loving these videos on the history of types themselves
@endthelag4490
@endthelag4490 17 күн бұрын
Hey FSG, I have an idea for a video. Why not make a vid about “Pokemon that were viable in tiers far higher than their own” or something. (Like RU Pokemon that were viable in OU)
@ChampionMarx
@ChampionMarx 17 күн бұрын
That's the quagsire theorem
@TheCoolguymanly
@TheCoolguymanly 17 күн бұрын
Quagsire Theorem video has got you covered.
@GreatDG
@GreatDG 17 күн бұрын
Lol the gengar in the thumbnail looks more like crobat
@Thelostrune
@Thelostrune 17 күн бұрын
I like how this is basically a sister series to Golden Owl's more game design oriented analysis of the types. Very cool seeing that kind of back and forth with different angles.
@TheStickCollector
@TheStickCollector 17 күн бұрын
You don't see Skarmory on video thumbnails often, Nice.
@aquenture
@aquenture 17 күн бұрын
02:30 wow darkrai existed way before darkrai
@OrlovKruskayev
@OrlovKruskayev 17 күн бұрын
For some reason “get sent to mega Rayquaza land” cracked me up
@SpencerDGoose
@SpencerDGoose 17 күн бұрын
I blame this channel for my insatiable appetite for history of Smogon despite never playing any Singles
@samuell8721
@samuell8721 17 күн бұрын
Dark is kinda already broken when GF create it to destroy the Gen 1 superb Psychic type. Spammable STAB just makes them better and better every Gen, especially when Dark type Got the Buffed Knock Off Ghost type will be busted even in Gen 1 if they have gave them more moves and make them actually deal super effective damage against psychic
@mogalixir
@mogalixir 17 күн бұрын
Dark type should not have the best version of all the non-hazard utility moves.
@ItsJustKaya
@ItsJustKaya 17 күн бұрын
Dark only had noteable TTar. Everyone rlse just used it as coverage and knockoff (which was bad) Gen4 made it useable for everyone and Gen5 buffed it. So overall Gen4 was best they ever did
@njivwathomassilavwe2056
@njivwathomassilavwe2056 17 күн бұрын
Ghost being physical in the first place was weird. Now we have Flutter Mane and C.Shadow to show how it should really work
@the_bookworm8281
@the_bookworm8281 17 күн бұрын
Ghost was physical in Gen 1 because the only move in that gen that dealt Ghost type damage (so no Night Shade) was Lick.
@Trelior
@Trelior 17 күн бұрын
​@@the_bookworm8281explain why dark was special, then. Every single offensive dark move prior to gen4 got shifted to physical after the split. It's nonsense.
@the_bookworm8281
@the_bookworm8281 17 күн бұрын
@@Trelior Looking at the available Dark type moves in Gen 2.... yeah I got nothing. lol I guess they don't want to screw over Houndoom or something idk.
@eduardoleocadio2678
@eduardoleocadio2678 17 күн бұрын
​​@@Treliorit's because, as stupid as it sounds, they wanted half of the types to be physical, half to be special. In gen 1 to gen 3, there were an odd-numbered amount of types, so you couldn't split perfectly, and physical was the atrribute given to the 8 types instead of special's 7 types in gen 1, and that gen's victim was ghost. Now, with gen 2's dark and steel addiction + shadow ball, you would think "well, surely game freak would tweak the physical special atrribute a little", BUT NO, what was physical and special on the gen before remained 100% unchanged, and they still wanted a new physical type and a new special type to keep the theorical perfect split of physical and special ratio. Tldr, steel OR dark was gonna get screwed, and dark was the chosen victim
@christopherballero866
@christopherballero866 17 күн бұрын
It should be noted that the utility of knock off is so good that none dark Pokemon like Landorus often carry it. Also Incenerior was left out of this video perhaps the best non-legendary VGC Pokemon even then it beats out a lot of legends
@kirbymontrey3897
@kirbymontrey3897 11 күн бұрын
incin is great in doubles sure but in singles (what this vid focuses on) its nothing more than any other random lower tier mon sadly
@GWFanSoftcoreBrony
@GWFanSoftcoreBrony 17 күн бұрын
I've always wondered if Game Freak decided to nerf Steel resistances purely because they created the ultra powerful at the time Aegislash, which would have only had two weaknesses if not for the nerf. Sure, Fairy was almost certainly a factor, but Aegislash would have been something else without those additional weaknesses.
@pinkducklett1051
@pinkducklett1051 4 күн бұрын
I like how a good portion of this video is "here's how Gengar got better over time" because for a while it just was the Ghost type
@hyperswag506
@hyperswag506 17 күн бұрын
Video 1 of requesting you to cover the Monotype metagame
@zeckemyro7031
@zeckemyro7031 14 күн бұрын
Fun fact! Every offensive Dark-Type move introduced in gen 1-3 became physical. They all changed categories.
@VerbalLearning
@VerbalLearning 17 күн бұрын
Hear me out: What if in gen 10 we give the Rock type a Ghost resistance? That way Rock types might have a chance at filling a defensive niche that steel types can't.
@DaQuestioningCrustacean
@DaQuestioningCrustacean 17 күн бұрын
I agree and was thinking something along those lines
@teddyhaines6613
@teddyhaines6613 17 күн бұрын
Most of them don't have the special bulk to tank many shadow balls even with a resist, and would still be in trouble from common coverage or worse, secondary stab from stuff like Goldengho.
@Yunobolt
@Yunobolt 17 күн бұрын
Because tombstones seal spirits or something, it could make sense and Rock definitely needs to be more defensive
@DaQuestioningCrustacean
@DaQuestioningCrustacean 17 күн бұрын
@@Yunobolt that's great logic and yeahhhhh rocks could definitely use more special defensive stuff, it's like they knew this with the sandstorm buff but then just expected sand for all rock type engagements
@terminawarfrance6104
@terminawarfrance6104 15 күн бұрын
It's the salt pokémon from gen 9 so it will make it's ability useless
@janswhatsupdoc
@janswhatsupdoc 17 күн бұрын
Keep in mind the Dark type in Japan is known as the evil type and we see that come to fruition
@B3FMandCProductions
@B3FMandCProductions 16 күн бұрын
Spectrier was so good that I remember people running Mud Shot on it for coverage back in Gen 8
@flenyoo
@flenyoo 17 күн бұрын
Alternate title: Why Metagross hated the jump fron Gen 5 to 6
@facade6927
@facade6927 17 күн бұрын
Not mentioning Mega Gyarados when it came to offensive darks and pokemon that resisted ash greninjas stabs in gen 7 is such an oversight. I mean, it's niche yes but it's still really good and definitely worth mentioning over the UU hydreigon. Not only was it a decent offensive switch to greninja, it set up dragon dances on its face. it's also one of the few pokemon that could single handedly wipe out hard stall teams which none of the other dark types except choice band Ttar could as its mold breaker ability lets it ignore unaware quagsire and clefable. Maybe I'm biased cause mega gyarados is one of my fav dark types but like still, it at least deserved a mention
@Nethaura
@Nethaura 17 күн бұрын
False Swipe Gaming
@KignDididi
@KignDididi 17 күн бұрын
the last time i was this early gengar was immune to earthquake
@TheFlashzap
@TheFlashzap 17 күн бұрын
Gengar losing Levitate was one of the happiest days in my life
@nicolasromani3523
@nicolasromani3523 17 күн бұрын
Gengar is slowly becoming my new favorite ghost type.
@lastnamefirstname8655
@lastnamefirstname8655 17 күн бұрын
dark types are my favorite type in pokemon, no questions.
@ZeroTheBot
@ZeroTheBot 17 күн бұрын
Dark and ghost types are goated
@雪者
@雪者 17 күн бұрын
Sableye & Spiritomb are watching from somewhere reading this
@EggscellentTree
@EggscellentTree 17 күн бұрын
They are goated​² @@雪者
@colindion4611
@colindion4611 17 күн бұрын
You forgot chi-yu in the gen 9 section.
@b.yoshisaurus9363
@b.yoshisaurus9363 17 күн бұрын
I personally am happy that picking pokemon of my favorite type and pressing the attack button is a semi viable strategy now
@TheDeathmail
@TheDeathmail 17 күн бұрын
To be fair, Ghost was always powerful.... that's why they had to limit the moves and the Pokemon....
@pikminscool
@pikminscool 17 күн бұрын
Ghost is hitting everything. Except normal and a resisting dark. A shadow ball is knocking the pins off everyone gen 8 onwards when the pursuit specialist quit.
@oravlaful
@oravlaful 12 күн бұрын
imagine telling a gen 2 player back then that, in gen 8, 3 of the best offensive types in OU are ICE, GHOST and DARK
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 Күн бұрын
ice was good even back then lol just not defensively.
@EggscellentTree
@EggscellentTree 17 күн бұрын
Dark type was made up for with fairy , but the knock off buff might made it overwhelming. Wish it stayed to only a few mediocre mons like in gen 3.
@kalzium8857
@kalzium8857 17 күн бұрын
Ghost is only kept in check due to its weak attacks. Shadow ball is only 80. Imagine how many ghost types will be banned, if we ever get a wide spread ghost fire blast or overheat.
@M4x_P0w3r
@M4x_P0w3r 17 күн бұрын
Poltergeist kinda counts, doesn't it? Sure, it needs an item, but basically everything wears an item except Paradox
@albabimam1114
@albabimam1114 17 күн бұрын
Poltergeist has a bigger issue in regards to how it can't be paired with Knock Off users on your team so your team overall is a lot worse. It also sucks that a lot of good ghost types like Basculegion, Aegislash, Mimikyu and Dragapult don't get access to it. Well I say sucks but this is for the best, giving the little guys something to work with. If only Moonblast received this treatment and not the other way arouns
@therealegr
@therealegr 17 күн бұрын
This video makes me wish Steel still resisted Dark and Ghost, Aegislash would still be broken anyways (at least in Gen 6 and 7)
@notfabio9858
@notfabio9858 15 күн бұрын
I love the relationship between two types. Even in game, though I tend to prefer dark types to combat psychic and ghost due to the resists. But if my team has a lot of fighting weaknesses I might pick a ghost instead
@Keegan006
@Keegan006 17 күн бұрын
Funny enough I was thinking about this the other day and it’s just me thinking about it the other day beicase they knew they made Agislash op and wanted to add in some new counters to it like removing steel resistance to ghost and dark allowing you to hit it for super effective damage with more types other then Fire and Ground. The only two from my memory who would’ve been able to hit that typing. Little did they know that would have such a more drastic negative effect
@a.v.y8331
@a.v.y8331 17 күн бұрын
for gen 9, I believe you're forgetting chi-yu, who's mostly famous for being an insane sun sweeper/breaker that has no defensive switch-ins, and even resists get 2HKOed. however, because everyone knows the sun set, no one expects the tera dark dark pulse nasty plot set that's arguably even more obscene, because there are flash fire and well baked body switch ins to the sun set, but the dark pulse set really has no switch ins.
@ragugod8267
@ragugod8267 17 күн бұрын
Dark is my favourite type so I love the video
@YamishiMizuandDracus
@YamishiMizuandDracus 16 күн бұрын
All metas begin in darkness, and all so end. Pokemon are no different. Darkness sprouts within them, it grows, consumes them. Such is its nature. In the end, every metagame returns to the darkness whence it came. For you see, darkness is the meta's true essence.
@danielcardozo9083
@danielcardozo9083 17 күн бұрын
Imagine a world where Game Freak waited one more generation to nerf steel and in Agislah’s debut is was not weak to ghost and dark
@gengstar09
@gengstar09 17 күн бұрын
It makes no sense why dark is SE against ghost? Don’t ghost thrive in the dark?
@senorjecansu1093
@senorjecansu1093 17 күн бұрын
Dark type is Evil type in Japan. Ghosts are easily susceptible to malice and hatred.
@Super_Top_Secret_Area
@Super_Top_Secret_Area 17 күн бұрын
Dark type is called Evil type in Japanese. Logic here would be that evil can corrupt spirit.
@chimuoma390
@chimuoma390 17 күн бұрын
@@Super_Top_Secret_Area The Reason Why The Ghost/Dark Spiritomb/Sableye Had No Weaknesses Barring Scrappy+Fighting Attacks Was Because They Represent Devils,Who Are Nigh Invincible To Everything But Resisting Them(Fighting Attacks,Humans Resisting Temptation),And Angels/The Power Of God's Grace(The Fairy Type)!
@gengstar09
@gengstar09 17 күн бұрын
@@Super_Top_Secret_Areathank you! I never knew that!
@justinnzamora5366
@justinnzamora5366 17 күн бұрын
Not to mention evil individuals can disrespect the dead in various acts.
@facade6927
@facade6927 16 күн бұрын
All that’s needed to neuter ghost types is bringing back Pursuit. I don’t really know why it was removed from the game. Sure it makes psychic types worse than they already are but there is no other option. You might think this would make Dark types even broken but they were never “broken”, at least as much as ghost is rn or dragon was before gen 6. Theyre good offensively but they at least have more common resists in fairy, dark, fighting types. Ghosts really are only resisted by dark as normal types are quite rare in the higher tiers, and if you’re using a normal type its for its offenses, not its defensive ghost immunity. As even Chansey and Blissey have fallen off tiers. At least Gamefreak had the foresight to not give ghosts a stronger special attack than shadow ball but even still, I think Pursuit would be a nice way to balance stuff again, as it always has been. It’s weak at 40 BP, it’s not like its a brokenly strong move either, and often times a ghost can just stay in predicting this and go for a coverage move. But pursuit is great to dissuade choice specs ghost types mindlessly spamming shadow ball. Either that or you give ghost resistance to another type.
@irisstarsterio
@irisstarsterio 17 күн бұрын
Surely this means Spiritomb stocks are rising right? Haha... Surely....
@whomgod420
@whomgod420 18 сағат бұрын
I take exception to saying Weavile was terrible in Gen 4 OU. It might not be good in MODERN Gen 4 OU, but it was the pursuit trapper of choice for many back when Garchomp or even Salamence were around thanks to choice band Ice Shard + Pursuit. It's bad because the things it was good against were banned.
@LoDart210
@LoDart210 17 күн бұрын
This is actually a fascinating video. Dark type especially has become ridiculously powerful. Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Prankster immunity, very powerful mons… Dark is almost too good. I know knock off can’t be nerfed because of technician but they gotta do something about that move. Really what needs to happen is better fighting types and better fighting moves.
@terminawarfrance6104
@terminawarfrance6104 15 күн бұрын
For knock off just remove the power boost from knocking put the item it will be strong as a utility more in single but i think in vgc too but will be way worse as an offensive
@MohamedMustafa-lx4qr
@MohamedMustafa-lx4qr 17 күн бұрын
I love this kind of video can you do water next it's my fav type
@blumountian
@blumountian 15 күн бұрын
I think it’s just about finding a new triangle of types. The closest thing to the fire-water-grass core is fighting-ghost-dark.
@Phantom742-f6i
@Phantom742-f6i 15 күн бұрын
But they took levitate away from Gengar, and I’ll never forgive them.
@connorowens5023
@connorowens5023 17 күн бұрын
JUSTICE FOR TORKOAL
@connorowens5023
@connorowens5023 17 күн бұрын
He deserves a video pls😭😭😭
@booradley6832
@booradley6832 17 күн бұрын
I'm genuinely surprised that Meowscarada isnt used more as a Gliscor check. You'd think they'd be rising in use concurrently. Triple Axel ice coverage for 4x effectiveness and Flower Trick against a water terra, slap on Knock off and a fourth of your choice(something strong vs steel, really) and you've got some serious coverage there. Or even skip knock off and go for sleep rest talk, why not.
@rossthemoss6827
@rossthemoss6827 17 күн бұрын
There is a couple interesting reasons on why Meowscrada isn't super popular despite matching up good on paper into a lot of things like Gliscor, Gold, Bolt and Tusk - It has to complete with ogrepon as a fast, offensive grass type. With ogrepon having stronger support moves, better bulk, stronger stabs, and swords dance making it better overall at breaking through opposing defensive mons despite its weaker coverage. - Zamazenta, Darkrai, Weavile, Booster Val and Pult's popularity make it have to decide between boots for longevity and not being so heavy on prediction vs scarf to be better into offensive teams and possibly beat/cripple Zama. also if your scaf gliscor will just protect to scout making it hard to actually force the ko. - And lastly it has a tendency to struggle to pick up KOs without other team mates/hazards softening them up first, since even with its great coverage its not too strong
@facade6927
@facade6927 16 күн бұрын
In addition to this, Meowscarada is just super frail so it can’t really be used to “check” anything. It can only do the revenge killing. Also some Gliscors run U-turn so it’s really unreliable as well.
@fernandoloyola6873
@fernandoloyola6873 17 күн бұрын
I love me some 50 - 50 Kingambit.
@karlpeterson3748
@karlpeterson3748 17 күн бұрын
BKC using FSG as a propaganda mouthpiece for his ghost tirade I see you 👀
@AlfredoPuente8
@AlfredoPuente8 17 күн бұрын
Ghost types being so offensive at least gaves the normal type a useful inmunity.
@blazie42069
@blazie42069 17 күн бұрын
Give psychic a type advantage against ghost so we can have a dynamic where both are strong into each other
@meta1429
@meta1429 17 күн бұрын
Something Something Flutter Mane. …except it wasn’t the Ghost Typing, it was something else that also could use a video.
@yeet8036
@yeet8036 17 күн бұрын
To be honest it's being ghost type helped Immunity to fake out is important and its ghost typing helped against steels
@meta1429
@meta1429 17 күн бұрын
@ I’m pretty sure it has to do with a type that made Mawile horrifying in Gen 6, part of what got Magearna banned to Ubers 3 Gens in a row, and S-Calyrex’s only choice of Tera Type to make it Mega Rayquaza Part 3.
@yeet8036
@yeet8036 17 күн бұрын
@@meta1429 I never denied fairy types impact,but it would be still op with mono ghost or mono fairy typing Also calyrex would still get banned from ubers without tera because there's no yveltal
@meta1429
@meta1429 17 күн бұрын
@ The part Fairy kind of gave a lot more leverage, sure it’d still be pretty strong and uber worthy especially Flutter’s stat distribution. But consider changing a X4 Ghost/Dark weakness into a neutrality and resistance when both those types are “broken” in the modern gen, not even Yveltal would wanna switch into a Tera Fairy Draining Kiss after a Nasty Plot/Grim Neigh boost.
@facade6927
@facade6927 16 күн бұрын
@@yeet8036I don’t understand what GF was thinking removing Yveltal..they’ve already seen how monstrous Calyrex shadow was in gen 8. So how did they think it would be a good idea to remove the one pokemon that keeps Caly from potential brokenness. Although it might not have mattered so much cause it can just terastalize now to beat Yveltal but still
@nsneddon24
@nsneddon24 10 күн бұрын
Easy ways to fix this problem: 1. make steel resist ghost and dark again then nerf Aegislash again 2. Add a new type that resists both Also just make Fairy resist ghost
@carsonmiller3409
@carsonmiller3409 17 күн бұрын
15:08 *gulp*
@dylanbuchanan6511
@dylanbuchanan6511 16 күн бұрын
Remember when there was no Ghost stab (basically) in Gen 1 and Psychics ruled the roost because of it? My how times have changed
@axearmor214
@axearmor214 17 күн бұрын
Perfect Cell: Spooky
@sham_noway
@sham_noway 17 күн бұрын
i think a good change would be to buff bug into being a defensive check for both of these types
@miikaroos3809
@miikaroos3809 16 күн бұрын
I think Bug should resist Fairy.
@ShakerSilver
@ShakerSilver 17 күн бұрын
Honestly there was something more interesting about the creative, defensive use of ghosts before they started just spamming Shadow Ball. Even if spamming that Shadow Ball can be satisfying at times.
@MariotheAnimator
@MariotheAnimator 17 күн бұрын
Bug should resist Dark Rock should resist Ghost (GameFreak even made an ability with Garganacl) Steel should resist Dark again (but be weak to Electric)
@terminawarfrance6104
@terminawarfrance6104 15 күн бұрын
Eletric is already decent don't think it need a nerf
@MariotheAnimator
@MariotheAnimator 15 күн бұрын
@terminawarfrance6104 Electric beating Steel is a BUFF
@terminawarfrance6104
@terminawarfrance6104 15 күн бұрын
@@MariotheAnimator i mean buff idk where my brain went XD
@grrman
@grrman 17 күн бұрын
The Knock-off buff was a MASSIVE mistake. I should never gotten buffed that much.
@miikaroos3809
@miikaroos3809 16 күн бұрын
The base power of 65 is fine, but the added extra bit of damage when it removes an item is a bit much.
@facade6927
@facade6927 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, I would’ve preferred a consistent 100 bp dark move with like a 90% accuracy or something. As without knock off the next strongest physical dark move is Crunch which is very weak. Knock off buff was okay, if it was only not buffed to 65 bp and maybe only went to about 50 bp, then it woulda been better.
@grrman
@grrman 16 күн бұрын
@@miikaroos3809 Item removal is meant to be a utility, not the go to move to hit everything REALLY, REALLY hard. If they matched it to thief's power, it would be okay. Nowadays it's basically "Oh, you're one of the bajillion mon's that gets Knock Off? Auto Include". Look at Nuzzle. 20 BP, still sees use. Why? Because it's a guaranteed Paralysis and a solid alternative to Thunder Wave.
@terminawarfrance6104
@terminawarfrance6104 15 күн бұрын
Nuzzle is just t wave but better no ?
@grrman
@grrman 15 күн бұрын
@@terminawarfrance6104 No. For starters, it's perfectly accurate, secondly, it's a damage dealing move, so it can bypass things like, "good as gold".
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