How One Player Redefined ROB in a SINGLE Day

There is undeniable proof that New York's Zomba made an incredible run at Smash World Tour Championships with Rob. It's also amazing how Zomba made Rob's backair viable for him during his bracket run. Let's take a deep dive on the statistics of Zomba's matches to see how he made Rob's slow move work for him!
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Did you know that Zomba has entered six tournaments of at least 200 entrants since offline tournaments returned in April 2021. He has achieved or beaten his seed at all six of them. Do you think that Zomba should be seeded higher? This stat and more from Zomba's PGstats.com player page: www.pgstats.com/ultimate/player/Zomba?id=S370802&minEntrants=200&online=offline&timeFilter=CUSTOM&timeValue=2021-04-01%2C2022-01-06

[@kupopuffs420]

He should be. There needs to be more data and of course humans aren't perfect

[@feraligatrmaster9918]

Definitely. It’s probably hard though because the attendees vary a lot from major to major.

[@Emul7ifier]

Well, it seems pretty simple. If a B student starts consistently getting A's, then they should be called an A student.

[@Nards_1997]

What does the seed mean?

[@youareaspook5897]

@@Emul7ifier yeah but what really matters is his stats against the top players in tournaments - winning 5 nationals is still less impressive than 1 world title in any sport, including esports

[@DermyOP]

dude came out of nowhere and beat some of the best. sounds like an anime plot but I guess quarantine boredom got people grinding

[@victormujat4710]

Zomba's been on the come-up for a while. The guy won a massive online tournament literally week 1 of Ultimate's release and he's been slowly getting better and better ever since. A breakout run like this was only a matter of time for him.

[@gatsby7808]

He beat raito when he was like 14 lol

[@ShinyNumber1]

Zomba has been an insane WiFi warrior since Smash 4 and has been grinding a lottt. It’s not surprising to me that he’s doing good now after so long

[@silvesta5027]

Similar story to Spargo. Zomba is another younger player who has always been pretty good. He was a great Wifi player in Smash 4 and now in ultimate is ranked no.2 in NY behind Dabuz. Since he’s travelling more and entering more events, he’s improving exponentially, just like Spargo is. Both of them reached a new level during quarantine

[@jorgfe7060]

that's like half the top players now....some 15-17 year old who good out the get go

[@JulianBliss]

I don't think that every time the backair doesn't connect is a "whiff" sometimes you're just trying to use it for spacing, saying to the opponent "ok you can't be here right now, go another way"

[@kipper1668]

What would be a better term for it?

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

@@kipper1668 area denial

[@RokkieSparrow]

@@DroppedMyMarbles marbles

[@BuenDiaaa]

One question, is area denial also supposed to be less punishable than a whiff?

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

@@BuenDiaaa i would argue by definition a whiff is a mistake that leaves you vulnerable yes

[@fupalover]

I never seen any ROB use bair like him. Really amazing how the meta of a character is never set in stone.

[@obsidiancrow450]

Zomba was insane. Watching him blow up CEO was amazing then just destroyed the world champion ship. Definitely the best rob when it comes to cheesing stocks as well.

[@chad762]

Bro I was so upset when he cheesed kola on last stock

[@cheekychomp1235]

not really

[@savage8315]

Good for zomba tbh, gald to see young players pop up, and always fun to see new faces that look this solid. Hopefully he keeps going to majors and improving.

[@ishmael9435]

He’s not rlly new tho

[@feraligatrmaster9918]

@@foks0054 He did get top 8 at CEO the week before.

[@ishmael9435]

@@foks0054 tru

[@busk0966]

So sad that it took over 2 years for rob mains to find out they had a bair 😔

[@ze_glitchy_gamer7629]

Rob is my fav, his back air does have a bit of a windup but it looks and feels as strong as a dropkick.

[@BlassTD]

It’s hype to see Zomba get a documentary style video I’m a zomba fan

[@adamo.g.2543]

Is there somewhere where you can see the chart of all the ariel in the game (frame data) that was used in this video with each square being labeled with the move?

[@brysonmcfaull1218]

Amazing content! I love and appreciate analysis like this that puts numbers in context, or takes a close look at something specific

[@Sky_Firez]

From nowhere to 4th at SWT. What a statement.

[@feraligatrmaster9918]

I wouldn’t say nowhere. He top 8’d CEO, and had solid upper bracket major results before SWT. This just made him more of a household name.

[@SomeTallGuy203]

Dang the quality of content this channel had is still mind blowing has yet to be match, I miss these guys

[@Crim-uw1fy]

Been close friends with zomba for about 7 years now, so proud to see how far he’s come :)

[@tammyw4985]

Please tell him I said hi. I've been maining rob since I started playing smash bros 2 years ago and he is why I still use him. My name is Jeziel.

[@amphicyon4359]

EL DIABLO!! Nobody would have predicted Zomba at 4th. Huge run from him

[@daniel-tl5sh]

Awesome video. Smooth narration and great graphics!

[@WaxxyVanderquail]

Dude this is actually super sick to see I used to be in an online crew with Zomba back in the smash 4 days, (Final Stock was the name) and it’s super cool seeing how he went from a kid that’s pretty good at online smash, (I was the same) to beating dudes left and right and getting a whole move named after him. Good shit Zomba. You’re almost making me regret quitting smash a couple years ago. This might actually get me to come back soon. I kinda miss it.

[@mute_cebu_]

Great content. Side note: I've heard the "Br1" of Br1 AV is pronounced "Bruno," because he's from Ecuador. It made sense to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. 😅

[@cbgheel]

1 is "uno" in spanish so Br-uno lol

[@aidandixon6028]

We don't talk about Bruno~

[@jamesrobin2857]

This video was really well done! Subbed for sure!

[@AmiiboDoctor]

The powder blue on white thumbnail works very well, good job.

[@zachmac3824]

Sick analysis, hope I can find this sort of content for tekken

[@wileydewitt4486]

What an incredibly well made video. Nice job

[@kid14346]

This is thebliving embodiment of, "You have to be lucky every time... I just have to get lucky once."

[@BreatheManually]

9!

[@wooptyfrickendoo6203]

We coming back to this Classic after Zomba's win at Genesis X. That Zombair was huge vs Sonix including a game where Zomba took all 3 of Sonix's stocks with thr Zombair.

[@benmitchinson9831]

super well edited video! thumb's and subbed

[@JustAJauneArc]

I don't play or watch smash and the competitive scene at all but this was entertaining as heck to watch!

[@mcdobby1298]

I knew nothing about these sets. But this video was super entertaining I just couldn’t put it away

[@HexenDarkside]

I haven't been following Smash for a long time, but this is interesting. ROB has always been my main since his introduction in Brawl and it's nice to see he is getting the hype he deserves and especial his back air - it's always been one of my favorite moves. I'm no pro player, but it;'s surprising how often it's slow startup catches people off guard in more casual play.

[@subjecttochange9320]

Thanks for doing what you do man

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

I'm surprised it took so long for this move to be commonly used by ROBs because Corrin's back air which is essentially the same thing (just slightly faster, slightly weaker, and better range) has been used for a long time. Not saying this in any sort of demeaning thing, it's just interesting to see how similar moves work in different character's kits.

[@SethLovestoTalk]

What a well done video, Jon Bois would be proud.

[@Eragonnogare]

As much as seeing a Rob succeed is cool, I refuse to accept back air being renamed "El Diablo" lol.

[@woahjuice.]

zomba ran my LCQ pools that tourney, did not know he was going to make greatness in the next few days 😳

[@BeatDropperPS3]

When Zomba clutched it out against Shuton I was hyped to see him move forward in bracket.

[@Ridlay_]

Yea that run and overall Zomba’s recent performance is insane. And R.O.B. kinda sick ngl.

[@deviantartguy0]

My fave move is throwing a top at the ground, backstepping, then when the opponent single mindedly goes for the top I'm already hitting them with my side b. Even if they get and throw it in time I just reflect the top back! It's also good for controlling the space right in front of the ledge. People forget it hits when spinning in place.

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

So happy you talked about me gunners down air...its disrespectful how bad they made it

[@nintentwins1867]

Do we really want to count his set vs Shuton in any sort of data given the underdog boost was on?

[@aidanm625]

i’m very much of this opinion that zomba likely would have won anyway, it still sucks and we likely won’t ever know for sure, but you can’t deny that he still could have won anyway

[@davidc.]

Yes because whether you like it or not it counts

[@sagetarus1]

@@davidc. OP: "Should we count it?" You: "Yes, because it counts." Why?

[@ObiAlmighty]

Underdog Boost doesn’t make you a better player, even if Zombo did more damage on hits, he still had to play the game himself. Honestly Underdog Boost is too minor of a boost to really brush off the entire game for. And it’s not like either player was ALWAYS down a stock. So I believe it still counts as a win for Zombo.

[@expic3954]

Imagine if the back air was still like it was in SSBB.. that would be insane

[@worldsboss]

I’ve mained R.O.B since Brawl, and the current iteration of him is just absolutely perfect to me. Gyro is undeniably his best move (imo, even better than down-tilt), but his back-air is an absolutely essential part of his kit. Despite being slow to start up, it’s surprisingly safe and essential as a mobility option.

[@tiebex]

Any more info about this melee player reaction data @3:54 ? Is the study public somewhere? Or is there an article about it?

[@somekinnn]

It seems really sus honestly. For games like DBFZ, pro players who have gotten top 8 in EVO will be adamant about how a 17f move like Z Broly's grab is unreactable with only new players who think they're hot shit in that game calling it reactable. A lot of the time when you think you're reacting to these very fast moves, you're actually reacting to the situations those moves would be used in and predicting its use, and then unconsciously assuming you reacted to the move itself. Using just frame data itself is very misleading in general, as how the animation actually works is the most important part. Something like Z Broly's grab in DBFZ is 17f startup but he only noticeably lifts his arm up around 4 frames into the animation, so you have 13f to actually react to it which might be impossible even with insane reactions and only focusing on the grab which is just going to lead to you getting opened up by other, normally reactable moves. Something like rob's back air which is more clear about what rob is doing during the early frames could be reactable, if only barely and requiring great reactions still.

[@zeophalanx1751]

@@somekinnn appreciate the analysis.

[@GreenTheGrape]

That Roy should have countered the back airs. It would at least be better than waiting for death tbh

[@user-lq4ct6dr5m]

You know things changes when you got a move named after you , like wobbling in Melee

[@brendang747]

LETS GO ZOMBA

[@GyromiteN64]

"this does put a smile on my face"

[@wolfie-_-ranger7932]

I love these underdogs that get popular all of the sudden, does anyone still remember the reaction to Peanuts Little Mac for the first time?

[@simongail8428]

This reminds me of the time daigo only used shoryukens randomly in SF

[@martinluther123]

El Diablo dude. We should get names like that for every good back air in the game lol. There are so many tbh. What would we call Roy's Bair?

[@NonRandomUser]

Zombair all day, every day.

[@Justinbyleth]

I asked for senior quote ideas and Zomba told me to use “Call it El Diablo, call it the Zombair”

[@t00nbink]

Let's go Zomba, R.O.B. still is my favorite smash character ever to play as so I'm happy he's getting so much attention in the Ultimate meta. I like smash 4 R.O.B. more with a focus on grabs but I get why he kinda sucked compared to now.

[@vinegreen3242]

what did we learn? spam the killmove till u win

[@mlindquist8942]

new rob meta is turning on underdog boost 👍

[@nya69]

he plays fairly similar to lucretio in bair use, just with better neutral n less tech

[@sawderf741]

Robo-punch.

[@BlackCatCards]

ZOMBAIR

[@krelekari]

Title implies R.O.B needed redeeming 😎

[@randychavezjr6050]

That fantastic voice 👍

[@ZmanVlog]

Don't sleep on R.O.B. :)

[@liamhilhorst752]

How he redefined the character: Spamming bair even when it's not working until it does. What a world we live in...

[@TheHolyToaster]

We call him the Bair Witch These clips are found footage

[@bananaman9284]

The giga chads refer to it as "the devil" I CAST YOU OUT

[@juliantotriwijaya9208]

R.O.B in Smash: "fast god-like fighting" *anime ninja speed* R.O.B in real life: "infiltrate western gaming market!" *slow grinding noises*

[@FlaskFlash]

EL DIABLO

[@Legend0fBarry]

Put some respect on my man Lucrecio

[@tycani]

it’s so weird to hear walt talk about ultimate and not melee

[@cam-ix2cl]

cool video

[@trevorschumann4549]

so ur saying i was playing like a pro when i pick rob and only fish for back air

[@digitalunity]

They call him R.O.B. because that's what he'll do to you

[@Geloon]

Viva ROB

[@kennythekid130]

Now, I have been using Ganondorf against my brother lately, and he cannot seem to beat me. We think we know why, and we think it puts Ganon at the top of the tiers. I will be brief. Ganondorf has his air forward. We call it 'The Punch.' It has that special hitbox like a sword, hence it goes right through anything except an attack with that same type of hitbox. It does 17% max, is relatively fast executing, has basically instant recovery on a barrier cancel, and is quite massive, killing at rather low percentages.

[@aaronole77]

this feels like a copypasta but at the same time i don't recognize it so maybe not?

[@ayrtonpavot3096]

@@aaronole77 The Punch

[@cheesewheel]

@@aaronole77 This guy is the one who says "I can beat anyone at smash bros."

[@13wayz70]

the zomBAIR

[@nintendope8837]

Jokerback air ≈ Zombair

[@b1gandch33sy]

context as to why its called the "El Diablo"?

[@Scrimbus_McBimbus]

Zomba made me enjoy watching Rob gameplay

[@fcnelson8875]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m here for Walt talking about ultimate. But, hearing him talk about ROB and ultimate in general may take some getting used to.

[@givecamichips]

Wait, this isn't about CPU beating Ken in EVO.

[@nintendope8837]

Oo interesting

[@Drowsyspace128]

Everyone i play with says rob is weak, i am glad that they have now been proved wrong. I am still bad at playing him but he is still my main

[@stebopign]

is this about wadi?

[@dog3504]

So no TDFW credit?

[@Trapping_ackbar7]

I like ROB

[@raosthegray7090]

Ok but I’ve been complaining about rob since it was released

[@AdmiralA]

did walt make this?

[@vexzel5550]

I've always said it RoB is busted 2 Projectiles, 1 that auto charges Amazing aerials Amazing recovery Amazing attacks/special attacks Reflector His grab can bury Solid weight He has a option for everything The only con is that's he doesn't look as cool as some of the others But if we're talking frame data and hitboxes This character is BUSTED

[@JustLazer]

Don't forget his size is a pretty big con too. Might be top 5 bulkiest hurtboxes.

[@C-mereSSBU]

This goes to show that it's always a good idea to re-approach a character even if you already main it. I like to take a week off from the game and come back, look at my frame data again, asses which options I'm sleeping on, and hit the lab. I'm a Yoshi main and there's always new egg throw angles, setups, and confirms to explore.

[@razzerraw1108]

WADIII???

[@azuremoon4372]

Insert underdog boost joke here

[@meathir4921]

Risk versus reward is skewed towards the reward

[@YTTHEGAMINGGUY]

If roy would have gotten out a counter he may have won

[@grasseater7374]

WaDi is gonna be PISSED.

[@cool-wf9cr]

Could i get good at smash if i buy it for the first time now

[@DavionLane]

Just play steve or rob 😀

[@HoshiArt]

rip lucretio lol, he's been preaching bair and bbs since 2019

[@madolce]

zomba wins !!

[@stephenschuster3555]

BUT he is big

[@septicsanssam9892]

people get mad at me for playing Rob, and this is exactly why.

[@someordinarydude9147]

I don’t foresee this being viable for a long time though. Rob is a character that you rapidly improve playing against. Pros will adapt quick.

[@lewissteward65]

Underdog boost that all I’m saying

[@feraligatrmaster9918]

Zomba is the one who reported the problem, and he beat Kola with it off.

[@burnpisces7733]

This video is cool. But under no circumstance can a player understand and react to a 13 frame attack

[@drewsclues5394]

Time to watch ROB vods???👀