How Our Brains Turned Fools Woke - Dr. Iain McGilchrist (4K) | heretics. 33

Iain McGilchrist believes that the different left-right hemispheres of the divided brain are stoking the culture wars and leading to a deluded world. He is a psychiatrist, writer, and former Oxford literary scholar. McGilchrist came to prominence after the publication of his book The Master and His Emissary, subtitled The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World. Today, he speaks of how art and beauty are fighting a losing battle due to the traits of one hemisphere of our brain.
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Chapters:
0:00 Dr. Iain McGilchrist Highlights
0:50 The Two Sides of the Brain
4:50 How each side controls your body
6:20 Our Brains Feed the Culture Wars
9:20 Left is Bad At Understanding Others
12:35 Trans Confusion
16:40 This is Narcissistic & Angry
17:40 Can We Teach Compassion & Nuance
20:50 Problem with University DEI ‘Woo Woo’
24:50 Woke ChatGPT, AI & Richard Dawkins
27:20 The Fixed vs Growth Mindset
29:50 Colleges Won’t Accept Different Views
33:20 Sapir-Whorf (Weird Language)
36:50 Language & Swearing in the Brain
39:50 Americans, Sarcasm & Tourette’s
42:50 The Changing Nature of Offence
44:50 Identity Became Sacrosanct
46:50 Trump & Anti-White Racism
48:50 We used to allow jokes about race
52:50 Socratic Method & Freudian Therapy
55:50 Blaming Others
58:50 Left vs Right on Power
1:00:50 Self-Analysis
1:03:40 We’ve Lost The Art of Interpretation
1:04:50 The End of Our Civilization
1:08:10 Two Heretics Iain Admires

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Hit like, subscribe - and comment below (this is a bloody good episode, Iain is amazing)

[@ellie698]

I'm looking forward to this. I love this new channel of yours Andrew. And I'm telling people about it 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@ellie698]

Please interview wonderful heretics Tom MacDonald, the independent rap artist and, and this is BIG.... Jim Carrey

[@sabbracadabra8367]

Are we heading for a clickbait apocalypse? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHINGGg

[@jodea2017]

Lots of love from Israel, Andy❤

[@scarba]

Wondering why this wasn’t on your podcast first? I always listen there first then come here

[@annieodowd6066]

I’m a teacher of English literature. Sadly, the Humanities are reduced to a sad and very dull post modern lens of deconstruction. All is seen a-historically and without contextual nuance. 😢

[@chasingthesun-bi6cx]

I did a postmodernism module at uni and failed miserably because I thought it was all complete bollocks and all of my essays and lecture contributions reflected that.

[@Kak2R_]

@@chasingthesun-bi6cx a great badge of honour you have there!

[@1d3m1g0d]

It’s far easier to deconstruct than to construct. What took aeons to build and refine can be reduced to ashes, as if we were never here. If you hear tribalistic ideas, know that they will resolve in warfare and ultimate regression to our native and most primitive societal state.

[@tomgreene1843]

A sad tale indeed ....look at music !

[@tamsinthai]

Bit like classic books with 'a reader' printed on the front. 'Hmm. how can we dumb them down even more'? Despicable.

[@shirleydanby4123]

Sometimes i just think im going mad. Am i just in my 40's becoming more cynical and finding change hard. Or am i actually witnessing, the decline of our society and communities. Who hasnt realised theyre laughing less and quicker to anger. Its quite distressing and its a constant battle to reflect and try in staying true to ourselves and our principles.

[@dandee6331]

You are being water boarded by Post Modern Marxist ideas....we all are. You are not going mad it's a feature of the simulation dubbed the Politics of Pardoy.

[@HarryBuxley]

I think many people feel the same way, being brought up liberal and would have always more or less supported radical "stick it to man"/"overthrow the status quo" type activities, and still do actually, in many aspects, it's quite jarring to then be placed on the other side where you are defending the status quo or traditional views. I don't think your going mad.

[@jimb9063]

Yes indeed, far less patience seemingly, which leads to quicker irritation.

[@janettedewar6617]

'The decline of the brain.' Woke is making worm-holes in our brain. Soon will come the mark of the Beast because it will be the next norm.

[@m.p.7075]

I always think of my grandmother. She died at 98 and in her last few years she said that she felt that she had lived too long because of how the world had changed. How come I feel exactly the same in my mid 40's?? It's an extremely depressing situation when you can remember how things seemed to look in the 90's. Maybe I was just young and naive.

[@triggered577]

"The less you know, the more you think you know" ...

[@johirsty7392]

Isnt that the truth!!

[@GordonPavilion]

Classic Dunning Kruger syndrome

[@-ucanthandledatruth01-12]

Narcissism and delusion are this social paradigms true currency

[@ohnoitisnt]

And all the nerds wont ever give a straight answer because its always 'complex'!

[@Neuren123]

You do not know what you do not know.

[@arleneevans6342]

I'm in my 60's and I look out at my community and think "has the world gone mad or me". Nothing makes sense to me anymore. There is no laughter on the streets anymore. That's what I miss most of the 60's & 70's women would laugh over garden wall or standing in circles on the street gossiping, children running and laughing up and down the streets. Laughter after pubs close and that really loud sch.

[@juliesheard2122]

I agree. At 69 I feel alienated even from my children.

[@antidepressant11]

So an Israeli, a Palestinian and Joe Biden walk into a bar ...

[@brianna094]

​@@juliesheard2122I'm 30 and I don't speak to anyone in my family. The family system is broken by design and it's affected everyone. I just keep laughing 😊

[@robertandrews6555]

The last thing the glob a lis t cabal want is a sense of "community" where people talk to each other.

[@jamieshannon9019]

It's not you buddy, it's definitely, them

[@voices_vary]

Learning to play a musical instrument--especially piano--will very much help people think independently. It wires the brain differently.

[@sanniepstein4835]

The public statements of musicians don't necessarily confirm that.

[@garybranch807]

You are right, but only if attend to music in a certain way. Music crosses both hemispheres, it complex to comment here, but is what I found as a pianist that when I discovered the work of Iain McGilchrist everything made sense, but it was because I was attending to music and the piano in a certain way. Other pianists would not agree, they may attend in a different way to the piano and music. the point is there is no one way or right way, just authentic and honest in discovery.

[@karenleemallonee684]

Very interesting! 🤔

[@ascgazz7347]

“Differently” isn’t “better”. Yours, an autistic, AdHd, ex-musician.

[@Dave5400]

I like the sentiment, but respectfully disagree on technical grounds if I understand correctly where your comment is coming from. The two hands play different things on the piano, true, but they need to play as one in order to be a competent musician. Melody in one hand intertwines with the harmony of the other, even in something as musically complex as a four part Bach fugue. Tempo and rhythm in each must also match, as must the dynamics in order for the music to make sense.

[@allthefunofthefair]

Iain has an incredible mind - he’s a true polymath - and yet remains humble. An extraordinary person.

[@stephenphillips4984]

But his attempt to interpret wokism as the conflict between the left and right hemispheres is plain wrong. Academics tend to explain new phenomena in terms of their own disciplines and McGilchrist is no exception to this tendency. He is trying to fit a complex social phenomena to brain activity. So simplistic!

[@kinglear5952]

I agree. He is amazing

[@christinestone391]

My "brain didn't turn me woke". My brain did however recoil at the loss of logic and reason.

[@MissBeeeBeee]

💯🎯Same here. Loss of logic, reason, and the possibility of rational dialogue.

[@AndyJarman]

And variety of intellect.

[@jeanalice4732]

For a minute there i thought I was the only one losing my wits .

[@tchocky71]

I second all of the above and applaud you for articulating it all.

[@techpriest6962]

Same, I'm a very Logic Oriented person. Which is why I am so disgusted with the ideology.

[@ellie369]

As a boring accountant myself, I feel the need to protest at the derogatory remarks of your, otherwise, magnificent guest, Dr McGilchrist. I am now traumatised and intend to seek psychiatric help. I am ONLY JOKING of-course and agree with the comment about British irony and humour being lost on some (but not all) Americans

[@tbwatch88]

tally ho!

[@aliciameeks]

“Things which speak to us intuitively, speaks to us profoundly.” -Iain McGilchrist 🙌🏻 Beautifully said!

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

ooop quoting something that sounds profound but is in fact totally vacuous ....... oh low and behold its a jordan peterson fan. i god damn knew it.

[@danw5760]

​@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate do you use science for the basis of all your knowledge?

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

@@danw5760 nah i use google bro.

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

@@danw5760 nah bro i use mister T

[@danw5760]

@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate thank you for your contribution... "Totally vacuous" springs to mind...

[@user-so3kx5sv8r]

I applaud the way Andrew is managing his choice of guests and the deceptively simple approach he takes to draw them out. Am loving this podcast

[@oo7tease]

Yeeeesss spot on, He goes in like a wide eyed child, expecting to learn something , he is very clever classy young man

[@zoltanrudolf9413]

The English speaking countries are in so much trouble it is terrifying.

[@damonmelendez856]

Maybe the reason they don’t fight/ preserve their culture is because they don’t value it? As natives, maybe their culture is trash, who am I to judge. You can’t respect someone if they don’t respect themselves. They are pathetic, really, imo.

[@judithcressey1682]

It's the effects of 'the long march through the institutions'. 'Live not by Lies' Aleksandr Solzenhitsyn.

[@Jungleangie]

Not just the English speaking ones. The entire western world is affected, especially the German speaking countries as well.

[@jeanalice4732]

It's basically a grand White genocide. Wonder who's behind it and why?

[@dai19721]

arab speaking countrys are doomed then .....cos they wont fix their selfs... europe has democracy.

[@jerrymoore838]

My brain thirsts for these sorts of conversations. Thank you

[@AndyJarman]

Your brain or your heart?

[@jerrymoore838]

@@AndyJarman Both, thanks

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

@@jerrymoore838 hey if you like rich people saying a whole lot of nothing to each other but using a lot of long words then go subscribe to everything jordan peterson

[@janillingsworth7478]

Oh my goodness I am so relieved. Recently I have been so aghast and bewildered by things such as the gender ideology, the banning of books like Enid Blyton's Noddy books, being told I can't make jokes or laugh at the juxtaposition of incongruencies. I suddenly thought that as a retired woman of 75 I had lost touch with reality in society. Suddenly I had sleepily stumbled into a whole new world of rules, angry people, of being wrong and of everyone having to be the same! I noticed too that people are inclined to believe in and discus in dichotomies which is more of a left brain mode, right and wrong black and white, left and right, winning and losing. I have been saying to my grandchildren don't worry about what you know as it relatively unimportant compared to what you don't know. Embrace your not knowing, be glad you have become aware of your not knowing and step happily forth, like the fool in the tarot on a journey into the unknown. This is fun and this is exciting. As a child there was a joke we thought was hilariously funny. You pulled your eyes down at the corners saying, Willy's mother was chinese and then pulling your eyes up at the corner saying Willy's father was Japanese. Then one eye pulled down, the other eye pulled up saying "poor Willy!. We never thought there was anything wrong with Asian eyes just that they were different and what was funny was how our faces looked when we tried to make our eyes look Asian. Nowadays this would be deemed racist. In the early 50s I was given a child's story about pirates. It was called, "Pieces of Eight". I never read past the first few pages because the "n" word was frequently used. I recently found this book and was somewhat aghast at how frequently the n word was used as common palance. My Dad had taught me that the" n" word was derogatory and the correct word to use was negro. He also told me that negro was a Spanish word meaning black. He told me that there were many derogatory words for races like hun, chink, abo, hori (for Maori people) and that we were not to use them. I was very interested in this phenomena especially when Howard Morrison (a Maori singer) had a funny song called Mori the hori. So I learnt there are many nuances. He was teaching me about good manners and acceptance of difference. This sudden change in language, of what is correct to use or incorrect to use does sometimes bring up in me a sadness of loss and often defiance. I think changing the words in an author's book is outrageously arrogant and offensive. The missionaries did a similiar thing by cutting of the genital on Maori carvings which are sacred ancestors. My father complained that homosexuals had stolen a wonderful, joyous word and spoilt one of his favourite poems, The Piper, by Seamus O'Sullivan.; "and all the world went gay , went gay, for half an hour in the streets today." I am an artist and when people have asked me what is the meaning of a piece of work I say what do you think and feel when you look at it. Because my art is an expression of me in process. Whatever the viewer thinks, feels or percieves about my painting is true. It is their meaning that is relevant. I also love the notion that our thoughts and understandings are not fixed. Our truth changes. My former husband was bewildered by my constant changing of my ideas. He would say, "but last week you said the opposite to what you are now saying". To which I would reply jokingly, "last week I lied." Meaning is always changing because it arises out of process, out of experiencing and discovering the new from the journey into the unknown. I think we are becoming subjected to bullying into stagnant, judgemental, and boring lives. This was a brilliant interview Andrew. Arohanui from me in Aotearoa New Zealand .

[@TheFiddle101]

A decade younger than you, I have gone through the same thought processes. We were taught that political correctness was a good thing, and it is, but the pendulum has swung so far the other way that we are all becoming confused and frankly worried about what we can say. For women, saying that there are only 2 sexes, can have serious consequences as a fair number of them have lost their jobs for saying this.

[@EllaGreenn]

I love your comment!

[@janillingsworth7478]

@@EllaGreenn thank you so much.

[@janillingsworth7478]

@@infiniteshoeblack thank you. We do need to keep being authentic and not bow down to idiotic fad ideologies.

[@janillingsworth7478]

@@TheFiddle101 It is outrageous that you can lose your job because you say a scientific fact. Having some common sense and pragmatism would be good. The fortunate thing about being old is we are not having to fear the job loss blackmail.

[@JamchesterBoozle]

Iain McGilchrist is such an impressive bloke, very eloquent and good thats he's so intellectual but also with a good sense of humour!

[@mimig6511]

He is a delight

[@gulli72]

"We used to say: 'They may take everything from us, but never our humor.' And it happened so." -- Hagen Rether

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

i think people are less full of humour these days because we live in pretty awful and frightening times. not very conducive to humour. there was some starvation experiment done during the second world war or shortly after i think. to test what insufficient food does to people. and one of the people involved afterwards mentioned how after the test when he was able to eat properly again, he knew he was recovering when his sense of humour returned.

[@Namelbmert]

@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate Aha! This is why Tofuist leftists are nuts! You are what you eat!

[@isaklytting5795]

I've listened for 12 minutes, and have already found myself saying, "that is SO true!" about ten times! I really appreciate his perspective and his insights. I feel they make a lot of sense, and are very a pro pos to the place we currently find ourselves.

[@DerekBoyes]

I've watched stacks of McGilchrist videos and I am just 100 pages off finishing his magnum opus - The Matter With Things. He is always fascinating to listen to and I'm often in awe by his words. This interview was one of the most enjoyable, he comes across much more relaxed and humorous, which I think is also testament to Andrew's ability to make his guests feel so welcome. Thank you to both of you! Now I really must go to bed - it's 1:42am and I have a ticket to see Dune part 2 at 11:40 tomorrow morning! :)

[@EllaGreenn]

Oh, I could listen to this man for hours or days. Are those videos on YT or did you buy them?

[@DerekBoyes]

@@EllaGreenn They are on KZbin and on his website :)

[@equinnox70]

Enjoy Dune 2!!! I saw it last night and it was magnificent!

[@nickleby77]

You sound like we could be friends. Not enough people reading good books and watching good movies in the world today.

[@rayne6737]

@@nickleby77Well the movies today aren’t worth watching for the large majority so you must be talking about the older movies.🍿

[@voices_vary]

What a fascinating guest. Thank you for hosting him.

[@sarasamson5922]

Thank you for another great Heretics interview. My experience with 'right brain / left brain' began in the early '90s, when my dominant right hand became injured at work a week before beginning a college drawing class I didn't want to cancel. My project became a series of dual drawings, one with each hand. I decided I couldn't earn a living as an artist, so for 20+ years have been working (on computers) in biotech operations. Increasingly anxiety-ridden, I decided to start drawing again, with the left hand only, in 2017. I wanted to 'develop new neural pathways'. I later resumed painting, only the left hand, through the Covid years. It has made a difference in how I think, perceive my surroundings and problem solve. Now I draw and paint with both hands on the same pictures. However, I've become increasingly indifferent to technology and am exploring more creative, non-technical options.

[@dorasneddon774]

This is very interesting and enlightening. Thank you for describing your experience - food for thought and creative, right-brain action!

[@wpridgen4853]

Hey there! I too use both hands, born left hand dominant for fine motor skills and right hand dominant for athletics, I started training both hands in the opposing discipline about a decade ago as a form of self exploration.. I concur, there is definitely a mental shift. Good to know I'm not the only ambi out here..lol

[@Pneumanon]

"People who have no functioning right hemisphere tend to see people as either robots or zombies". That was super interesting considering the preponderance of robot and zombie related media over the last decade (and beyond), and how repetitive our mainstream fiction landscape has become.

[@MissBeeeBeee]

Excellent interview, Andrew!! Please bring him back. ✌️ As Peter Boghossian said: “We are living in uniquely stupid times.”

[@tomgreene1843]

Well said!

[@vivienneb6199]

Bog is uniquely stupid

[@elioxman8496]

The two most important things people are not taught today are humility and kindness.

[@ph8077]

The woke destroy cancel careers & people's lives with customary self-proclaimed humility & kindness.

[@patrickbarrett5650]

When we had industry and could see the results of our labour we were tired but had something to show for our efforts. Now, the only results we can experience are the effects we can generate in others. Hence we generate hatred, jealousy and suspicion to prove that we can have some effect on the world.

[@MH3GL]

Very insightful. Never thought of it this way before ... Thanks. 👍

[@martinliehs2513]

That is an observation that deserves some attention. It appears to me that the whole "woke" enterprise resides in big institutions and corporate headquarters. On the other hand, if one deals with trades people, farmers or truck drivers that are isolated from bureaucracy, there is a completely different mindset.

[@ruthlewis673]

Thanks for that, deeply insightful.

[@drwhatson]

​@@martinliehs2513The Woke enterprise is encouraged by financial incentives, notably by the WEF Corporate Equity Index.

[@user-dn7iq6li9u]

20:26 That's a very good point - I found a lot of times that in my university days (I was a humanities student) tutors would just shoot down students' interpretations/conclusions, with a "that's wrong" and then either move on, or come out with something that was not obviously any more valid, rather than asking how they came to that conclusion, which would have been more useful for all concerned, regardless of who was right or wrong.

[@jenniferprice950]

I could listen to the two of you chat all day. Wonderful Andrew 😊

[@Alicja237]

Dr Iain McGilchrist is my favourite person to listen to. Great interview, thank you!

[@sovereignbrehon]

@Andrewgoldheretics I am so thrilled you're interviewing Iain. He is magnificent!

[@shelleyscloud3651]

That’s the perfect word for him - MAGNIFICENT!!! (& bloody lovely with it!!)

[@Lilbit-mr3lq]

Wonderful chap. I miss listening to people like him.

[@EllaGreenn]

Absolutely!! This was one of the best interviews I've heard in a long time.

[@Narsufin]

Looking forward to this. Everyone should hear and read Dr McGilchrist.

[@ChrisOgunlowo]

Just beautiful. Thanks for hosting Iain. Aside his incredible and unquestionable scholarly work, I often hold him in the same esteem as biblical prophets warning people about an impending apocalypse. And he speaks and writes with such lucidity and grace that you don’t want him to stop talking or writing. Great conversation. 👍🏽

[@MackerelCat]

One of the best episodes yet Andrew. Great guest. Really good chat.

[@theBadger1986]

What a wonderfully insightful and witty interview! I really enjoyed your guest, what a truly wonderful man. If only we had more of these in charge of the world right now...what a beautiful and truly loving place it would be. Thanks Andrew!

[@NPC-30]

I honestly blame social media the most. Facebook used to have only likes, youtube used to have ratings. Now it's either like or dislike, thumbs up or down etc. People are being conditioned to think black or white.

[@aldebaranredstar]

I know there’s irony here in that I gave you a like to your comment about likes. 😂Yes, the up or down vote reminds me of the Colosseum.

[@amaryllisequistra]

Agreed, but another way to say it is, people are conditioning themselves with their choice of media… choose different inputs to get different outputs (to use the language of the machine)

[@thegreathadoken6808]

Maybe you could equate this to a boxing analogy, where most fighters fight with the left hand forward right hand back, the right hand for these fighters is the power hand, the knockout hand, but the left hand, presumably controlled by the right brain hemisphere, is the jabbing hand, the setup hand, the one that finds the openings for the power hand to follow through.

[@tgcole4372]

OMG this conversation made me feel so sane!! Thank-you Ian and Andrew xxx🥰

[@desd1932]

I think im not the only one when i say this but when texting became a thing way before social media. I found texting to be frustrating as texts can be misunderstood words get taken out of context. Sometimes it could start a small arguement.

[@AndyJarman]

Lol.

[@dorasneddon774]

Predictive text has become more and more nonsensical and driven by stereotype, I've noticed. The smarter the smart phone, the dumber the predictive text becomes!

[@dorasneddon774]

@@infiniteshoeblack it always seems that way to me... And most people I know! 😁

[@I.Reckon]

"When things speak to us intuitively, they speak to us profoundly". It is not always advantageous to dissect and analyse our ambitions and desires.

[@cinford]

1st time hearing of this delightful, pleasant man, thx Andrew! How lucky his students must be to hear him speak...wow! So refreshing to hear such a clever person explain things so joyfully without any arrogance 😊 he seemed to really enjoy your company too Andrew!

[@tchocky71]

What a fine and beautiful, edifying interview! Congratulations, Andrew Gold! This one is priceless, as your Heretics work tends to be! I didn't even know Mr McGilchrist's work before. Now I'm a fan. The interview is of the calibre that makes me want to transcribe the entirety so I can remember all the gems scattered throughout.

[@silakompromisu]

This is the first time I've seen an interview with Dr. McGilchrist, having admired his theory of the hemispheres and their switching dominance since 2019. So good to finally hear him speak!

[@MrPedur]

Stick and stone can break my bones - words can never hurt me. It causes pain to experience broken expectations. Expect little from others and live up to your promises for a harmonious existence.

[@alexforget]

We used to worship the center: productive heterosexual family with great values and generosity. At the top was the man/woman who sacrify himself for love and truth.There were also place on the margins for the strange and things that didn't fit perfectly. Now we are in the upsidedown world were we are forced into worshiping the strange, the uproductive, the ugly, fat, trans, etc. Things will flip back up again, hopefully with a better understanding of our roots.

[@galathoughtart]

As an early childhood educator, I was often in a position to teach the words and meanings of the language we use about gender. I like the answer given that we need to develop response based in compassion.

[@garymelnyk7910]

“One knows at last what to think about”. Wallace Stevens. The most profound observation. Meaning……..because there is always more thinking to be done, we can never know what to think about!

[@mollienight]

Wonderful interview, Iain McGilchist is a compassionate man. We need more like him in positions of leadership, although notions of leadership is probably anathema to people such as Iain.

[@C_R_O_M________]

He is a leader in his own way.

[@happinesscoding]

Here is to beautiful, balanced conversations. Thank you!

[@bobdillaber1195]

Yet another wonderful and illuminating conversation. So privileged to be able to see and hear this. Thank you!

[@theshrubberer]

I loved this so much and agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Iain's insights on what is broken in society today. Btw ...the Israeli linguist you wanted to recall is Guy Deutscher , I love his book The Unfolding of Language. Good job Andrew. I can relate to your career frustration over the producers discrediting or refusing to let you present because of your identity. I am a photographer and digital artist and have seen how competition in the arts are sickeningly biased to the biography of the artist rather than the submitted work itself.

[@dancuk1975]

Quite possibly the most fascinating discussion I've heard in a long time.

[@deejay8ch]

Good stuff. The cutting edge of neuroscience multiplied by biologically informed, balanced insights related to philosophy, sociology and even theology. So good. Many thanks.

[@lunapachamama915]

Thank you for bringing the wisdom of the wonderful Ian McGilchrist to your channel. The master and his Emissary is a masterpiece and ought to be in school curriculums!

[@mesmerandmarie]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! What a pleasure to be in this company for an hour or so.....if you don't mind me saying, I have felt so lonely in the way I perceive the world the last few years and listening to Dr McGilchrist has been such a pleasure...planning on a PhD in fine art in the next couple of years and have been thinking 'not to' due to being highly an intuitive....but this gives me 'fire' again!!!! Much appreciated!

[@user-dl7qu2fx6x]

Good interview, Andrew. A piece of constructive advice given in good faith: you tend to 'gabble' just after you say something you're not certain about or that might be contentious. This is where the best interviewers pause and stay silent, allowing their guest to speculate/add to the conversation. The places where we are most uncomfortable are where the most interesting stuff comes from. It's a difficult skill to acquire but try it - your conversations will be far more interesting if you do.

[@MarciaMatthews]

Dr. McGilchrist makes sense!

[@carolspencer6915]

Good afternoon Andrew and Iain Tears and smiles indeed. Truly grateful for all of this, in short. Thankyou. 💜

[@amss2282]

Thanks enjoyed the interview undertaken with much decorum and respect 😊

[@conectariumastrologia3582]

Amazing channel. Two very smart people talking! Congratulations for your work, Andrew! I am reading ‘The master and his emissary’. This was another great way to hear about it!

[@dhammaboy1203]

Great choice of guests AG! McGilchrist's The Master & his Emissary is exceptional!

[@Daz62_06]

Excellent interviewing skills Andrew, you have made such progress.

[@robertwhiteley-yv1sy]

Ian has changed my life so much. His realisation about how the hemispheres interact with reality throws so much light on the human experience that it’s probably one of if not the greatest discovery none to mankind.

[@kt4774]

Excellent conversation. Thank you.

[@2frogland]

iain mccgilchrist is a beacon of knowledge amongst a few others in a world when this is sorely needed

[@niblogrape]

That was brilliant, Andrew. Brilliant!

[@M123OCT]

The depressing irony of such a wonderful conversation is that those who really need to listen to it never will.

[@stellafalconer6715]

What a fascinating interview, Andrew! One of your best; I learnt so much from this conversation where you both had much to contribute - thank you so much, and I also now have more books to add to my wish list (oh no!)

[@EsseQuamViderity]

We are making ourselves ADHD with our phones

[@Parmesito]

Yes!!!

[@mattpoynton3285]

Yes, I absolutely agree.

[@tamidawn8383]

Spot on!

[@jittmet7766]

And youtube commercials!

[@mimig6511]

We do seem to pathologise everything: a bit nervous about going to a party: social anxiety, feeling sad about an event: major depression and then medicate everyone. Years ago we didn;t want labels and denied them,,,now we want a label and demand labels. Anxiety depression and other mental health concerns are so debilitating and more than feeling a bit sad or bluesy. I am out of my depth in figuring out the world at this stage. So interesting to listen to academics and intellectuals talk about these things.

[@loreleifuffybutt]

So interesting, Another great interview.

[@TheOverlordOfProcrastination]

It’s heartening to know that not everyone has lost their mind.

[@soapboxsewer421]

So glad I found this channel. Just the kinds of discussions we need. Civil, thoughtful and intelligent. Thank you.

[@karenhartman9774]

My anthropology linguistics professor said, “A problem that can’t be solved in one language can often be solved in another.” If only everyone could get the significance of that fact. We need our differences!

[@rossduncan4431]

Andrew, I agree with you and would say this is one of your best interviews, if not the best! Thank you. Iain is a wonderfully articulate, intelligent and interesting man. Please line up a second, third, fourth interview 👍

[@dionbram]

This was a very interesting conversation, I really enjoyed it.

[@elizabethfluke5838]

See life more like a melody"...This inspired me. I had a breakthrough where I have been stuck in my thinking from the discussion on right/left hemisphere brain function. I think I'll listen again to get a better grounding and see what other gems can be found.

[@I-Dophler]

Critical Takeaways for Video: 00:00 - Left Hemisphere Dominance 01:00 - Dispelling Hemisphere Misconceptions 03:00 - Attention Shapes Perception 05:00 - Hemisphere Controls Body Sides 06:00 - Reject Oversimplified Worldviews 09:00 - Embrace Humor Importance Midnight - Address Gender Education 15:00 - Evaluate Left Hemisphere 18:00 - Emphasize Humanities Importance Insights: 43:02 - Respect Swear Words 45:32 - Maintain Proportion in Decisions 57:06 - Avoid Toxic Behavior 01:03:22 - Appreciate Art's Power 01:04:43 - Understand Civilization's Cycle 01:07:02 - Explore McGilchrist Website

[@tbobtbob330]

"We need to build the humanities into our education system." EXACTLY how we got to where we are. It's people who really "think for themselves" who are so easily led to grotesque and tyrannical ideologies. I spent most of my life being very libertarian, but the older I get, the less faith I have in humans to not turn absolutely monstrous. I think my newer way of thinking was figured out thousands of years ago, and religion has been the compromise that optimizes freedom vs. conformity.

[@ferdi5407]

This episode made me subscribe! Thank you BOTH!!

[@pinkysdream6055]

Wow, great conversation!

[@OnTheFlipSide]

Once again Andrew you nailed it, so proud to witness your progress. I never heard of Iain McGilchrist before today, and I LOVE HIM!!!!

[@voices_vary]

If I think back to my elementary school class, half of them were "on the spectrum" probably including myself! The thing is, I remember everyone so well because they were different and unique. Today, they label everyone and put them on meds to make them just like everyone else. It's horrible.

[@excession3076]

People can only be unique and different within a society when the wider borders are clearly defined. Some things have to stay constant, some things have to be broadly agreed on, some things have to be the same for the vast majority. That leaves space for individuality.

[@Khayyam-vg9fw]

These days, people are all nails to be hammered down.

[@voices_vary]

@@infiniteshoeblack I was tested as being almost completely right-brained. I've been very successful and very grateful for everything I have. I had little or no support from my family, but just kept imagining that I could do good things.

[@voices_vary]

@@infiniteshoeblack So many "spectrum" kids are actually just late-bloomers. Often they start to bloom in 7-9th grades or so. I'm so sorry you were labeled and may have thought you were--in some way--broken. You were not!!! You were just different from a lot of ordinary kids! That's why I loved teaching art to young high school kids--they were blossoming as thinkers and people.

[@marcodallolio9746]

Of course we must crush deviancy and difference! Especially when it comes to giving amphetamines to kids, that's very important to me, so they can manage to focus on homework and I can finally feel safe mental illness is being eradicated. Difference is weird and makes me uneasy. I want everyone to be predictable and harmless

[@BalloonInTheBalloon]

this was one hell of an interview. Extremely interesting!

[@kimdavid4406]

Wonderful conversation!! So interesting!!❤

[@theopenmindtherapist]

Winnecott talked of 'reparenting'. On the journey to reparenting, our clients go from dependent and blaming children, to teenagers who are learning to flex their own wings, to adults who accept and see things for what they are in the here and now. I see this development, not in all cases, but in many, as essential to learning how to be an adult and cast off the victim mentality left with us and nurtured by popular cultural memes. The job of the therapist is not to blame the parents WITH the client, but to hold the space for the client to explore where they got stuck and how to grow and move on from that place.

[@pelqel9893]

I think kids growing up with too much screen-time and not enough "real" socializing has indeed made them disabled.

[@pelqel9893]

@@infiniteshoeblack Poor kid! I guess tablets are becoming a substitute for interaction and play? Not good at all.

[@Pneumanon]

Jonathan Haidt has a recent presentation on that exact topic which relates to his new book The Anxious Generation.

[@ph8077]

You mean "special?!"

[@britlit7]

What an excellent interview. One of your best so far. Thank you.

[@brotherurth1625]

Explains so much, great and informative interview.

[@tensaijuusan4653]

We have severly underestimated the harm done by DEI / woke insanity to the social fabric.

[@ogazm1865]

"I don't want to get bogged down in that discussion" : )

[@VesnaVK]

Seemed like a copout to me.

[@-ucanthandledatruth01-12]

@@VesnaVK It is a normalised form of denial which sets a TERRIBLE example for humanity, but yet, they claimed they are the prime candidates to lead humanity....delusion. Type in "*acism and narcissism" by Richard Grannon

[@-ucanthandledatruth01-12]

Evasion has been social defensive instrument for them throughout generations

[@arthurchinaski3736]

Them?@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12

[@DannyWJaco]

Compliments for the superb audio and video quality. And, for not having long introductions and small talk at the outset.

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Glad you liked it! I get shouted at for that usually

[@johnl5316]

DEI has been shut down in FLORIDA...

[@fionagregory9147]

I call it DIE

[@markdelepine2772]

I've read both of the big books and they were both eye openers and deeply confirming of how I am and what I value. To get a condensed review of literature from so many disciplines relevant to what to think about who we are and what we're here to do is priceless. I've gotten a lot of value from joining Channel McG too. Reading other people's reviews and reflections on what this man has written from many different informed positions is also enriching. Thank you Ian and thank you Andrew for the witty conversation.

[@PDT7]

I love the way Iain replies “very, very odd” to the Dawkins related question 😂

[@commonwunder]

The main issue with the West, unlike most other cultures... is the prevalent mindset, that despises tradition. The zeitgeist is 'constant change' for constant changes sake. Other cultures understand tradition is an antidote to anxiety. If mixed with religion, the anxiety level is diminished even further. Humans have usually desired all kinds of traditions as innate coping mechanisms. Not many Westerners would have considered the idea possible seventy years ago, that religion in the West would plummet as drastically as it has. With it, a lot of certitude gone ...and much new anxiety shouldered. Even small changes in a fixed, traditional society, have widespread repercussions. Societies are finely balanced entities. Modern Westerners particularly, can't grasp the magnitude of this reality. The rate of change in the last seventy years of Western history, is too expansive for most historians to even grapple with. This is because... there is no actual societal advancement. If anything, Western society has been stagnant for the last seventy years. A consent conveyor-belt of new consumables to buy, is not a true substitute for real social change and advancement. One effect of this constant, urgent need to demolish all tradition. Is the elderly no longer feel welcome in their own society. Throughout most of human history, the elderly were venerated. For their wisdom and experience. The West has turned this trend on its head. That's why a societal shift like 'woke' is so upsetting for the 'not so young'. or those with a more conservative, traditional outlook. It is a 'trite' trend, it is social advancement 'lite'. It is change for changes sake. Those that adhere or even cling to traditional values are deeply despised. This is the true virus that has captured the West... a sort of decadent need, for the excitement of anything... as long as it is new. A complete boredom and utter hatred of anything traditional and with it, its anti-anxiety producing properties.

[@cumbriatreesurgeons8943]

Wow, that's impressive . You do know that you are richer in real terms than Gates or Soros - you have wisdom, they have to make do with excess of money. Mind you, a more equitable re-distribution of both commodities would be useful.....

[@aldebaranredstar]

You’re making an excellent point about the hatred of tradition or the turning away from tradition in our western culture. However, I disagree that western society has been stagnant for 70 years. For me personally the most important thing has been the introduction of concepts from the Indian tradition-for example, the acceptance of yoga, meditation and other facets of Eastern thought and traditions. Sanskrit is an Indo European language, and we are related to that tradition. In my view, the Iliad and the Odyssey are different facets of the same story told in the Indian epic the Mahabharata. There are many similarities between these epics even though one is considered western and therefore despised, and the other is considered non-western, and therefore more accepted.

[@lena-Ramone]

I can tell you arent generation Z or woke 😂 phew 😂 . Id love to add more points but its bed time now ❤

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

When adults act like children what hope do the kids have

[@stuartmann589]

Fascinating episode. Thanks Andrew.

[@Dani68ABminus]

Thank you both for a great talk!

[@slbe9721]

Buy Dr McGilchrist books, You will not regret it.

[@m.p.7075]

Andrew is so right with therapy in Argentina. They love it. My partner is still speaking to her therapist weekly 5 or 6 years after leaving the country. Watching how it affects her mood every week has hardened me against the idea of ever getting involved in the process.

[@AndyJarman]

Interesting, any thoughts on why that is? Peron was an advocate of totalitarian ideas (the Austrian painter's brigade) and rather ironically there was a huge influx of Jewish refugees after the war? I remember in the 1970s the pope was wrestling liberation theology over there too. Their new President is hilarious, possibly a reactionary?

[@sunnyday6465]

Wonderful guest, thank you.

[@thekeytoanything]

Dr. Iain McGilchrist is the one that gave me the key to understand what I am doing with my brain and how to interpret others.

[@JohnGlen502]

It's not Dunning Kruger, it's conformity and the fear of being perceived as a bigot.