How Overwatch 2's Ranking System Works: My Thoughts

[@TeslaScience]

I could be totally wrong with my reasoning in this video, these are just some possible conclusions. Some comments have suggested that my MMR (hidden rating) could be higher than my in game rank so the game is matching me with higher ranked players. This could explain gaining ranking despite having a negative winrate. I am still hesitant to make that conclusion because this information is not available. Winrate and stats are often really intertwined. Winning games often provides better stats than losing games but not always. Even if I am wrong about what I say in the video, it is a good idea to be mindful of your stats and increase the value you are providing on your heroes. Apparently it is possible to rank-up more than 3 ratings with a solid winstreak as pointed out by a comment below. I want to add, most people probably realized this but you will be placed possibly 1000 SR lower in Overwatch 2 than your real ranking from Overwatch 1. This will adjust back to your actual ranking after a few rank adjustments. Your hidden ranking is still the same as before and if you play consistently, will soon match your actual rating. Not the main topic of this video but this definitely causes some confusion.

[@rikijaz]

+1 on this. I placed silver 3 and jumped to gold 4 (4 ratings) in my next placement. I went 7-3 as moira and was consistently +30% higher damage / healing stats compared to the other supports.

[@harryknoblauch5113]

blizzard dev confirmed in twitch chat for group up podcast that winstreaks are something heavily taken into account. Didn't say if it needed to be continuous or not, but it means that stats might not matter

[@phatthrak]

I'd also add that when you did jump 1 tier with negative winrate, we dont know how much sr you actually gained there. You could have effectively gained anything from 1 to 100 sr, if each tier is effectively 100 sr - as we just cant know how close to the next tier you were at that point when you hit masters 4. but whenever you just see a jump in a tier, it feels bigger in general than what a change of say "5 sr"would have been

[@suikie2648]

I agree with you. Recently, I've been losing a lot, like going 7-10+ most adjustments, but I still have been sustaining and ranking up. I can't imagine why this would happen if the new system didn't weigh stats more heavily than win-rate. It also goes with what they said when they announced the new system about how they wanted it to focus more on the players average skill.

[@tamooz6649]

To me the system feels more complicated than before, I used to be a plat player on support. I went 7-3 or possibly 4 I dont remember but I placed Gold 5, it makes sense since I havent played comp besides the placements for years. I might be worse but Im gonna try to improve my support :)

[@IqzcFX]

keep playing, i was master albeit back in like season 8 or something got placed in silver 4 and now im diamond 1

[@ssxecho]

I did 7-3 and placed bronze 1. I was Gold/Plat in OW1.

[@ltghost_9]

I followed your advice, and it's spot on. I was stuck at Silver 1, and I tried to improve my stat rather than playing clueless. I am currently Plat 2. It helped me a lot!

[@governmentghost01]

One other reason could be because you were on a brand new account. That's why your had such large jumps. An account with 1000+ hours played in bronze/silver is likely going to climb much, much slower

[@wm8401]

I appreciate you sharing this and the time that went into it.

[@revenge3265]

I was consistently climbing but for whatever reason, I went down a rank and then didn't rank up after going 14-9 that should've been at least 100 SR positive. Like I went from diamond 5 to Masters 4 very easily but it feels like the game is personally limiting my SR despite consistently performing well now, which sucks because Support is already one of the harder roles to climb in IMO since carry potential is nowhere near the levels of DPS/Tanks. Also, matchmaking feels incredibly inconsistent. Either my team stomps or the enemy team stomps. Very rarely does a loss feel preventable and a win doesn't feel guaranteed. Matches feel a lot more lopsided despite the almost complete disappearance of smurfs.

[@12GAGE_tx]

The system placed me in silver 5 to start and then I immediately went down to bronze 1. I’ve since gotten much better with Moira and often find that I out heal everyone on both my team as well as the enemy team. I’ve also recently maintained that healing while out damaging most of the lobby as well. It’s interesting how the stats per 10 minutes make a difference as I do find I die more often than I should when I feel like we are getting out damaged and I get over aggressive out of frustration. I was super confused as to how I could “outperform” on both dps and healing and still be stuck in one rank. Turns out that I could have the highest damage and heals but it means nothing if I die for it too many times lol (duh). This is going to help me stop bouncing between silver and bronze so much so thank you Tesla!

[@CharlieLiuPhotography]

It's interesting seeing this as I have had a very similar experience myself. I've seen some of my friends stay in the exact same rank even winning 7-0, so it made no sense to me. I think there's a lot to just winning that the game looks at.

[@hahah2804]

Im pretty sure it focuses also on how well your aiming is, damage, damage taken etc

[@rohanking12able]

@@hahah2804 but why not just tell us

[@bombdememo]

This just proves the competitive ranking system us weird. Maybe we just need to get used to it. I do wish they were more transparent about it. I’ve been playing Moira up until plat but then I started to struggle a bit. So I started playing mercy and brig along with Moira if the comp wasn’t working. I was 7 wins and 6 losses yet I went from Plat 3 to Plat 2. I was bewildered. I for sure thought I was de-ranking.

[@maciejasz78]

Skill assessment based on performance only muddies things up. We have no clue how it works, but your results can be explained without it. We know there are actually 2 parameters the system tracks. There is the MMR and there is the SR. MMR is hidden and tracked internally, SR is what translates directly to your rank. At first the system assumes you are bronze 5 and you start winning consistently. That causes not only the MMR to rise but also the uncertainty factor to rise, because the system detects it was wrong about your initial rank and the longer you win consistently the bigger the initial error is proven to have been. This causes the steps at which MMR increases to also increase. This is basically how ELO works. But there is probably an artificial limit on SR increase. And because of that limit your SR starts to lag behind your MMR. Your MMR probably rises higher, but SR increase is capped at 3 ranks and that discrepancy between your SR and MMR also increases. This is why you still ranked up from Master 4 to Master 3. Your MMR might have decrease at that point, but your SR was still lagging behind and had to be adjusted to a higher value to better align with your MMR. If you add some performance based skill assessment on top of all that, then we are completely in the dark.

[@nufrontier]

So based on your wonderful assesment Tesla, it seems to me that the game is trying to encourage players to stick to a main character, improve their performance on that character, and see results over time. I tested this myself too as I main Sigma and was able to rank up based on in-game performance, but as I swapped over to different tanks I either deranked or remained the same. This was likely due to the fact that my performance on those specific tanks wasn't high enough in relation to Sigma's (MIT is important for tanks), and as a result the game assumed my performance suffered, hence the derank. Also, thank you for your video!

[@edb36mar]

THIS EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME, because I was locking queen at the start of some games.

[@justr3th]

Winrate doesn't seem to determine much of anything. I've also been tracking my winrates-- 7 and 3, placed S3, 7 and 3 again, G4, 7 and 3 again, G3, 7 and 4, G2, 7 and 3, G2 again, 7 and 5, G1. I've been performing very well in my games, but it seems like it would rather me just farm damage than get impactful picks to rank up

[@Chloroo]

stats really matter - this is not good for people with unique playstyle that still lead team to win, like they can die a lot by doing strange pressure or so

[@samb5018]

Omg, thank u so much. I was trying to figure out more of this

[@Weay.]

This explains why my dps rank out of placements was higher than my support rank out of placements even though I went undefeated as support, I lost 2 games on dps but it got a better rank

[@firmament29]

Thanks for your sharing and guidance. It gives me a great direction about what I need to achieve for griding out ranks, especially from stats perspective. :)

[@halley1888]

This helped a lot with my motivation, thank you! The "your team being bad doesn't mean you can't do a good job" is really uplifting since I was stuck in bronze for a long time with that kind of "well this game is a wash" mentality. I'm a Mercy main but Moira is a really close second and I adore both. Having the 10-12k healing and 5-7k damage goalposts to aim for really helps a ton with the latter and I'll adjust to what I think I should aim for with Mercy!! Mostly my deaths are my biggest issue.. right now it's sitting at 7 per 10 and I've just hit gold, which I was really proud of after assuming I was around silver. Thanks so much for your hard work and explanations, Tesla!!✨

[@INTlyoshik]

This theory looks inspiring. I definitely feel like ranking system changed, I was never gold on support, my average SR was 1600. But now I'm gold 4 doing my way from bronze 5 (77 wins). I used to play QP, but yesterday I gave a try for ranked, from last ranked session i went down from gold 4 to gold 5, and yesterday having worst winrate across the season(4-5 losses between that 7 wins) I got my gold 4 back. Now I'm feeling after this vid i want play ranked more.

[@suitablestrawberry687]

Is this why the game partially hides your win/loss information (only highlighting wins, limited replays), to subtly obscure win rate and decouple it from rank? A lot of people would assume ranking simply correlates to winning games, but if it isn't then ranking is now very opaque for the players.

[@Doomthepixarkid]

I think further analysis of stats (healing, damage, and deaths) through all ~120 games would help spell out your case of stats/skill-based ranking system

[@hfs5732]

I def think stats have a high significance in your placements. I lost most of my tank placements winning around 40% of my matches. However I had really good stats each game 30+ kills 5 deaths. I placed gold 5. However on dps I won around 70% with average stats but placed silver 5

[@RealLifeLuca]

I don't know if you will answer this but I hope so. The new "Game Reports" show your stats and avg. 10min.. is the avg. the players on your rank? Because I did look at mine and it was not the same all modes / comp / and current season. For example it was at 6.1k heals per 10 but if I looke at mine it's at 11k. I hope you understand me. Keep up the content ;)

[@ianeuh]

thank you this is great!!

[@rundas2141]

So this is the root of the DPS Moira problem. If they can climb just 1 rank by going full DPS Moira, you know they will. Coupled with the queue times and possible issues with matchmaking, the pieces have fallen together.

[@GaussianEntity]

They still have to win the game though and the biggest issue with dps Moira players in low ranks is that they lack the game sense to switch between dps and heals.

[@rundas2141]

@@GaussianEntity Tell that to the DPS Moira

[@devadiva8178]

Adding some data, I had like a 40-something win rate on Moira from bronze 1 to silver 3. Not a huge gap bc I don't play much comp, but I had two rank ups with this. My stats were very good at bronze but I was losing a lot, got 2 rank ups, then I got a single rank up going 7-8 I like that this theory rewards me trying to improve my microskills and such, and it makes every game worth it, like "dps diff" oh well I'll try to hard carry then !!!!

[@SarntRoos]

I have a ton of questions as I’m a new OW player, don’t feel obligated to answer, maybe someone else can give insight. Here’s my situation and then questions to follow. Never played before until OW2, fresh account, instant bronze 5 after first set of placement matches, reached silver 2 at the end of season 1, loosing 3-4 per rank placement, getting a tank on my team with only a few hours in comp or no rank yet is normal, since season 2 I have been hovering around bronze 1-2. Do they take accuracy into consideration? I’m a dps main - Soldier76, Reaper, Sojourn so what should my stats look like if I want to rank up per 10 mins I’m guessing that I need to focus more on my personal performance and stats versus getting a win? Does playing more make it harder to climb in rank? What all game stats go into rank adjustment? Time on objective? Objective kills, time on payload? Accuracy? More points towards next rank if playing a better team? The game acts like it wants me to stay at a 50% win rate because I’ll go on a 3-4 game win stream then a 3-4 game losing streak. Thanks for the video I will start my own state tracker to help get more details, thanks

[@brosephjames]

It's theoretically possible to climb with a negative win-rate without performance based SR. Since your true rank is a hidden MMR only blizzard knows and tracks, and is what they use to matchmake (theyve admitted all this), by the time you climbed to Masters 4 the MMR probably determined you were definitely high masters/low GM, and was putting you in games like you were, and a 41% win-rate in hidden MMR ~Masters 1 games could equate to ranking you in Masters 3 and possibly lowered your MMR, your winrate goes back up, and your MMR and Rank stay aligned as you climb to GM5. Just a theory.

[@TeslaScience]

That could definitely explain why I ranked up there with the negative winrate. I hope I'm not spreading misinfo with this video but whatever, I already stated that this is just my thoughts. What I still don't quite understand is people stuck at a certain rank with a positive winrate.

[@TheTheatralik]

@@TeslaScience Wouldn't that just mean, that they are underperforming while somehow still winning games? The matchmaker sees their MMR dropping, but the SR has to stay the same since they are obviously still winning. Or different view, they might have underperformed before the previous rank adjustment, so the MMR changed downwards, yet they are performing on average while winning the next 7 games. Just means that it evens out, no? Could just be, that the SR is a bit behind because performance and winrate don't always match up.

[@Aelu351]

You could do a little project :) like playing with an account A on plat 3 and win 7-0 see the results with stats, then play with Account B on plat 3 and try to do 7-7 and see the results, and in the end doing it with account C and trying to get to 7-14

[@TheoEclipse]

Now I'm stuck in Gold 4 and I keep getting these awful tanks and DPS that don't know what they're doing and I feel like no matter how hard I heal I can't do enough to help us win the game when the other team has a more competent tank and DPS. No matter how hard I try I keep getting on these losing streaks and I just don't know what to do.

[@BenutzernameXY]

Look his Bronze to gm and learn

[@BenutzernameXY]

Learn*

[@jeffkaplan7635]

i looked up for this video because i went on a win streak using only symmetra and almost every game i had higher/equal damage compared to the other DPS, but from gold 4 i moved to... gold 4. this is really confusing

[@b4ooks233]

I made a new account won my 50 quick play games with only 2 losses went 7-0 in support placements and placed gold 3. Your K/D ratio means everything no matter what role you play. I finished my placements on dps and placed diamond 4. I believe it’s places you off stats rather than wins which is a little weird.

[@CrixGuides]

How are you guys finding people to play with? Just curious

[@jorbasaur]

I main Moira & I’m consistently gold in healing and outdoing everyone in kills and damage but I just don’t ever win games. I do everything I can to make sure I’m healing 10 fold more than everyone else and still getting more kills than everyone. I’m frequently the best player on BOTH teams at the end of every match but I just don’t feel like the game recognizes that I shouldn’t be ranked so low, I just am because I never have teammates that are on the same level as me so I’m always put on losing teams. It’s my favorite game and I love it so much but it gets so frustrating and I never know what else I can do to win. Argh.

[@greenecarlos93]

well wouldn't it make sense to give the average stats per rank if this is the case people would have a set goal that way versus mystery queue

[@SuperScopeRawks]

I think its all still based off win loss its just we cant see which is why it gets confusing. Its hard to believe that something like damage would have a big impact on ranking up because then Mercy would never rank up.

[@princessbaeex]

right that’s what i was thinking what about people who play mercy? 🤣🤣🤣0 dmg no ranking up💀💀💀or very slow and you have to win all your games

[@whysoserious8177]

Nice Vid an the road series is realy nice to. Help me a lot with Moira. And in the last days i had a lot of fun with lucio.

[@RelexGG]

I think rank up max tier is 5 in lower ranks as I went from bronze 1 to silver 1 and then to gold 1 after I got placed bronze 1 by the bug, then rank ups were not more than 3

[@mooksschmooks]

I had over 160 wins on support last season and remained silver 1-3 for most of it, my main mission always having been to outheal every support in the game. Due to your Bronze to GM video and this one, i learned one very important thing. Heals are DEFINITELY not everything, not even half of it. Ive been trying my absolute hardest to implement getting 10k heal/7k dmg/>6 deaths per 10 mins. And i think today i finally realized, that although moira is my absolute favorite hero (400+ hours on her in ow1 and ow2 combined and hardstuck in silver), she might actually not be for me. It's sad, upsetting even that i cant master her, even after 400+ hours on her. But its no fun to not be efficient enough for the team to carry it to wins. So off to zenyatta i guess lol

[@khloeychunli]

Your link Twitch and twitter not working ;(

[@iAronn]

if certain hero's can rank up more quickly by focusing on certain stats couldn't major testing be done over time and every hero would eventually have an actual "fastest way to rank up with x hero" I feel like this could be abused no? like if you duo queue both on healer. Lets use Moira and Kiriko. You tell your kiriko that you are going to focus on damage so you tell your kiriko to focus on healing more, meanwhile the way kiri ranks up is by cleansing debuffs (not real just example) so your kiriko uses the suzu less for the invuln and completely focuses on cleansing. This is a really shitty example but idk I feel like this could alter the way people play a ton and could really end up being abused

[@trevormoulton1334]

Clearly damage and heals/10 are very important, but what about elims/10min? If you are doing lots of damage but not finishing anybody off, I wonder if rankings would look favorably on you or not.

[@soyunbonus]

Super insightful video. Thanks for your opinions!

[@JBMetalProductions]

So far i've found that Open Queue works much better than role queue most of the time. Its the way Overwatch 1 did it in the beginning, and it honestly just feels better overall. The Role queue is filled with 1 tricks that a lot of them aren't even good at the role they're playing lmao. Open queue, if people are ass at DPS they can just go tank and the matches will be easy pz.

[@rgrsthhj]

agreed

[@natrium0_0]

AMAZING VIDEO , BUT i got ranked more then 3 times in one cycle,i went from no rank to bronze 1 in one cycle

[@ShelloSongz]

Then how the fuck do I rank up with Mercy? This system is pure bogus.

[@BombzofJager]

This just lowered my win rate because 70% of my deaths are chasing after players WAY out of position and trying to save them. Now if they die they die…..

[@Temenaattori1]

I stay silver 4 and it's ends everytime in same rank event that i get with Lucio at least 12-16kheal and 3-6k damage

[@ajhammerquist3317]

hi, Could anyone tell me Moira's current healing ability stats, ie: Biotic spray, linger overtime, etc I am a returning player and have not played in some time... any tips or strategies would also be helpful. thanks!

[@Aelu351]

The hole Rankup System rlly is strange, im plat 3 and mostly play with 2 friends that are dia 4, so im playing in a higher SR lobby than my SR is, but still i derank and rankup as much as my friend do. so im not sure if the lobby sr still has impact or when it does how strong the impact is. i hope they will give us the information how it works exactly soon :) thanks for your video and your thoughts

[@edb36mar]

Oh I'm surprised you didn't put this one toghter, it's factoring in all of you, you know how in ow1 it would show your "Group rating" it's factoring in how y'all should be performing as a wholw, ehich goes into some wanky danky shit not even I can comprehend tbh...... I just know it's factoring in all of you based off contex clues and playing the game for the longest time.

[@horticulturalist7818]

Here I am with a 62% wr across 95 games and I'm still in bonze 2

[@horticulturalist7818]

So looking at what you're saying and my own stats I need to get a little more healing in and die less

[@dbaxter604]

Ranks messed. Was gold 3 for dps. Been playing sombra and shutting down whatever the problem character is non stop, getting support pics consistently, countering dive, u name it..... i get deranked from gold 3 to silver 3 despite going 7 and 2 on the last round of my rank up. Ya my dmg isnt that high but im making a huge impact.

[@dbaxter604]

I ahould add i was plat dps in ow1

[@TeslaScience]

Stats aren't great at determining overall impact sometimes. This new ranking system might be enabling certain playstyles over others just because they pull better stats.

[@47battles]

So what if I get stuck on a shit team and I don’t get my usual good stats , I get punished for that that’s crazy

[@Fid0TV]

Do you think the Kiriko's important stats are the same for Moira?

[@TeslaScience]

Not really sure about the exact numbers but Kiriko does less damage and around the same if not slightly lesser healing. Kiriko's playstyle is similar to Moiras so I would expect similar deaths.

[@qImToxic]

Ranked up from silver 3 to gold 4 in open q, so moving more than 3 is unlikely but not impossible as it seems.

[@creepiona5460]

What about MMR? maybe it put you in much higher avg sr games due to your consistent high winrate. But since you cant see enemy sr very easily anymore you wouldnt notice.

[@TeslaScience]

Hmm this is definitely possible. The issue is just that I have no idea what rank I even am when it goes up by three every adjustment.

[@rodrigoduarte181]

Love the times when Samito's break your argument about Moira and you show some weird list of weird people, go talk to him agaim, provides good laughts. And yes OW2 is a mess and Moira is OP AS F¨CK

[@ashketchup247]

I think it has to do with how much you out perform your teammates. If the other healer on your team gets 1k dmg and 3k healing and you get 3k dmg and 7k healing you'll rank up higher

[@BobOrKlaus]

RIP mercy players lol

[@amoiramain3965]

Is it possible that you could have gained more sr that you lost? So that's why you ranked up with a negative wr

[@cosmicfreya]

I wonder what this looks like for mercy🥺

[@ruckus420]

I just don't understand. I have all these stats. It's rare that I'm under either the dmg or healing in 10 mins stats and I still lose most games. I got myself up to gold 5 but now i'm slipping back down as I'm loosing 9/10 games i play despite having these recommended stats. You must be doing something else as you play, some GM instincts you have that can't be inputted as stats.

[@OneKingX]

It's basically all about Stats

[@iiwavesii4151]

I recently won a majority of my matches on tank and had ONE afk because I had something important to do and I went from silver 5 to BRONZE FUCKING 2 mind you no I do not disconnect frequently this ranked system is extremely flawed and I will not be returning to this game as literally all of my motivation to play ranked or the game at all has been destroyed by this rank placement.

[@BCD10]

I’ve been going up two tiers every time with a 50-60% overall win rate. I’m stopping at 19 losses for the season though lol. Has anyone been ranked down? If so how many tiers? 20 is a lot of losses. I’ve played almost 6 hours and haven’t gotten that many

[@princessbaeex]

only 1 rank down

[@kindchicken786]

Also it would be nice to see the rank distribution % for ow2 season 1 cuz i swear the average rank is prob like high diamond/low masters😂

[@CALYPSOxc]

I don’t know if you will see this but I hate this rank system first I win 7 lose 4 don’t rank up then I win 7 and lose 3 still don’t rank up but before that I’ve lost 5 and won 7 and I rank up doesn’t make any sense

[@FreeThinkerSquad]

Anybody else rank higher in overwatch 2 than overwatch 1, I placed lower but the comp matches up to my normal sr felt easier and when I hit my peak the games still felt easy

[@BlackbeardKNAC]

I dont get it at all. I went 7-2 and was placed in bronze 3. I mean was it my performance? Is a win not a win? I can't control who they match me with. If I win I win, how the hell can I win harder?

[@ayobrittany]

Great video

[@papicongaming1543]

I loss 4x for my first ranking. I got my first rank on silver 1.

[@Wuirox]

On open Queue i won 7 i lost 10, i stayed in in plat 1 then I won 7 i lost 8, and i got diamond 5 :o

[@anilogo682]

Screw performance based climbing! It disfavors counterpicking, shotcalling etc.

[@DantesflameX]

Omg can you tell me what I’m doing wrong ??!!

[@bretttrevino6385]

Honestly I am not a analyst yet, but your data visualization is rough. Its super just hard to digest that graph.

[@ghostofuchiha3807]

You should bump up the volume of your video before you upload, its hard to hear you. The ad alone is like 20db louder than the actual video lmao

[@Oserium]

I went from bronze 3 to silver 3

[@Raistlin2k]

In early overwatch you had one tricks with under 30% winrate ranking up. Mercy "massress" stat padding to gm anyone? My OW2 Tank ranked silver 4 after "placment" 7/3 wins got silver1. Then i lost 3 matches wher my team got absoluty stomped with me at fault! I am 100% sure i did not play any think near silver 1 but a very high ssr(masters+) wher i did not belong at all. Directly after that i got a very close game win. 1 more close win 2 close loes. In the end i won 7/8 to gold 3. I think the system even don't show your real rank. Is trys to do some trickery to avoid toxcisty. And on top of this it even does some wild stuff to find you real rank. I played tank on the silver 1 tank account of friend who is new to ow2 and i could hard carry 3 matches with out any sweet.

[@HulksterHogan]

"Having gone from bronze 5 to GM in 3 days" HOW?!? You must had a full three days of doing nothing but playing Overwatch.

[@rgrsthhj]

What about kills per 10? is this completly irrelevant?

[@AzzziRok283]

Game finally uses data from your matches, comparisons your stats in match with others players and teammates. So if you even losing, but you playing better than anyone in match and better than usually, so your rank goes up. Better than it used to be, right? Before you could be suck in all matches, but if your teammates winning while you throwing, you getting +25 points each match. Awful.

[@asaraphym802]

I dont know....im silver and avg 19.89 elims/10, 9.3k healing, 5.6k dam, 7.2deaths

[@AlySoSweet]

I’m sorry but…you rarely lost more than twice each update so saying win rate doesn’t matter just seems untrue. Second of all as a new player, not knowing how the game prefers me to play a certain character is pretty shitty. I have less than 60 hrs in the game so I know I have a lot to learn. I tended to have high healing games (10k+) and like avg dps (4k-6k)on Moira when I play her. Why should I get punished for that (not ranking up) when healing is apart of her role as a support player? It would be nice to know what criteria I needed to meet on each character to know what was considered a good game. If I go 21/2 with 18k healing and 6k dps that seems great to me?? I have games where I legit don’t die at all or have single digit deaths with double digit elims/assist consistently (even when my team gets rolled I still play pretty well in term of kills v deaths and heals - dps is lower because I’m trying to keep my team alive) but I’m stuck in bronze 5. And I went from bronze 1 to bronze 5 in one update and have remained in bronze 5 for 5 updates in a row and I legit don’t understand what I need to do to climb because there is no indication in game. I play solo primarily. I have 53 wins/ 81 losses. Which is not great and I know that. Playing with friends hasn’t really helped. My avg/10 mins is 8k healing. Not sure exactly what it is for dmg. I think it’s 6k. Again, I’m brand new. I have a lot to learn but this system feels impossible to me. And I’m tired of being hardstuck and not knowing what to do because I’m legit trying my effing best and being placed in bronze 5 over and over again effing sucks.

[@TeslaScience]

Sounds rough, If you'd like, I can review a game of yours and see if I can offer some advice. Just provide a replay code if you want!

[@AlySoSweet]

OMG thank you! I just wanna be able to climb. Right now I'm not moving at all and I don't know what I'm not doing correctly other than losing more than I win. I know I have a lot to learn in terms of how to use the Heroes to the highest advantage - but I still feel like I'm good enough to at least climb a little. 31SCAG (This is a loss and I'm playing two heroes that I'm not really strongest on but I'm trying to improve.) NTKNZJ (This is a win but any tips to improve would be appreciated.) Thanks again! 😇

[@AlySoSweet]

Oh! My IGN is AlySoSweet

[@TeslaScience]

@@AlySoSweet Hope this helps! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2XQY4WqaLahncU

[@LeLe-bo7cs]

I have 2 thought on that. 1) the system seems to have its positives , as you are GM and the system brought you to GM in a fast way, the rank you belong, which greatly saves the nerves of alot of metal rank player. Smurfs are no fun to play against, and you def want the games to be even. 2) i have my problem with systems who judge you by "performance", because performance, or the way how you bring performance to the table, changes, has no clear definition and is very fluctual. To give an example, if you had a way to play moira that involves dealing 0 damage and 0 heal, but it brings you and your team a 80% winrate, and the system would judge you based on dmg/heal stats, the system would actively trying to prevent you from climbing, even derank you, despite you winning the game. In short, the only goal in Overwatch is to win. Therefore the system should only judge you based on that, how good you are at winning.

[@BenutzernameXY]

You have no high winrate if you dont perform (high heal, dmg) so you are totaly wrong

[@SeaTea1111]

I’m for real not sure if my account is bugged or I suck……or the teams…idk. I always play Moira and normally always have the most heals on both teams and dps is on par with dps or even in some cases exceeding. Even have a few times winning 7 in a row with great games and still B5…don’t get it.

[@shy_waffle]

Me too but with Ana

[@giannis_tar]

omg looking at your stats I realise how trash I am at this game. I’m masters 3 and I think I have a bit less than 10k breaking per 10 and around 6 deaths and only 58% win rate. I need to watch more Tesla to improve (in my defence, I haven’t played in 6 months and I play on a meh PC)

[@redbarchetta]

I don’t think there’s a max of 3, I just went up 7 ranks after a 7-1 session.

[@kindchicken786]

The ranked system for ow2 is just straight up worse than ow1. It feels like in ow2, if you lose your first few games in a split, then theres pressure to win the next games just so you can stay the same rank, if that makes sense. It just feels horrible. I think they should bring back ow1 sr, but if they insist on having divisions, just make the divisions visible to you and the other players, if that makes sense.

[@skoldiersoup8409]

Okay so the problem is all you old gm's obviously not going. To struggle. Did you solo que in qll these games or did you play with friends? Nothing will change my mind about this ranked system being total fucking garbage

[@nopenope3416]

Your overall win rate, therefore mmr or sr or whatever its called in that game, was high. You have an high overall win rate alongside high overall stats. Your total healing per game was high, but your total dps per game was low - when you started. You slowly crept divisions due to your win rate. When both your healing and dps per game was high - when you kicked it into gear. You quickly crept divisions due to your win rate and overall stats. It calculates your overall win rate and your overall stats per game compared to other people of your role, on their and your team, each game. If you have an low overall win rate but high stats per game, the game will keep you around that division until your OVERALL win rate increases. As you are against people of your win rate in your games you should our preform them each game and win more before you continue to progress. Basically, if you dont have a good overall win rate, even when you have amazing stats every game, the game will keep you there until your win rate catches up with how you are preforming each game. The problem is that there are plenty of people, just as good/bad as you in your games, with the same overall win rate and getting the same overall stats. To climb, you need to be playing like a Master/GM/Top500 player to get out of the elo you are in once you are stuck in your rank. Even if you are playing like a Diamond player every game, but your overall win rate is low, even with high overall stats, BUT you are in GOLD/PLAT, that means you are being put with people who are preforming the same as you in Gold/Plat rank. If you are put with people preforming the same as you in your rank, even though everyone is playing like a Diamond player in GOLD, you will have to play like a Master/GM/Challenger until your negative overall win rate becomes positive. That's why people get stuck. Now, there are some SOLUTIONS: 1. new account. If you are truly playing like a Dia player every game stat wise then you should surely get to that on a fresh account. 2. play like a Top500 every game. If you play like someone who has 1000's hrs put into the game then you can unstuck any account. 3. cheating. DO NOT DO THAT. IT'S SCUMMY. yes the game is rigged against you so that you are more likely to purchase skins. 4. boosting. DO NOT DO THAT EITHER. IT'S JUST AS SCUMMY. bringing your Diamond friend to a Bronze game is awful for everyone else. 5. Buying a new account. NO. DO NOT DO THAT. A bronze player playing in a TOP500 game does not work and is the sign of a dead game. This game is easy. But, once you are stuck the game will keep you stuck until you overperform against people in your rank by a lot until you get a positive win rate. But, if you already have a positive overall win rate, but instead just don't have superior stats to others in your game, then you are the main problem. My personal experience: I got placed in G1 7 times in a row with a positive win rate that slowly crept down towards the end, frequent POLG, good healing stats and okay damage stats. I was two weeks new to the game. I've hit masters+ (or equivalent) on most games including League of Legends. I intentionally tried to get from 10k healing with 10k dmg (per 10mins) to have 20k healing with whatever dmg (per 10mins) - I demoted from G1, which I got 7 times in a row, to G5. I got titled, dropping from G5 to S5. I started to play like I used to, I promoted from S5 to G5, to G3, and again to G1. The game, before the 7 G1 I was placed in G3 to begin with. My quick play game win rate and stats were just as good as what I got in my G1 games. When you are placed with people who preform the same as you, EVEN IF YOU ARE PLAYING LIKE A DIA PLAYER EVERY GAME, in GOLD, climbing is VERY DIFFICULT and you need to outperform other DIA players in GOLD to climb which means you need to play like a Masters/GM/Challenger quickly before your win rate drops. I used one of my two accounts, from back when I played StarCraft2, which never had an Overwatch game played on it ever. I am now in GM. Unless you have had a similar personal experience I would advise AGAINST using a different account as then that account will also be stuck until you are better at the game and are genuinely preforming like a DIA player every game.

[@BenutzernameXY]

You are wrong he is right. I jumped from gold 5 to 1 as a new Player (Never touched ow1) Just with high dmg and low death with a 7wins and 5 loses

[@nopenope3416]

@@BenutzernameXY Give it a week or two.

[@Elastik56]

Good video, however I must give it a thumbs down because you're a Moira main.

[@0UTHD]

Really insane to see this... And I can agree with most of your points and you speaking out what I felt about the rank system. My best SR on OW1 (2 years ago) was 4122SR but I declared my self as a master player. I got ranked in Bronze5 after winning 7 out of 9 🥳🥲😂 The games on pubs were crazy intense while my ranked games were really cringe... Mmr and the shown Rank still influence it a lot... But im sure I skipped a complete rank tier in one step. I was bronze5 but I got silver directly. Im sure u can skip more than 3 tiers... I came to the conclusion that high damage and less deaths are two of the main factors to rank up while winning or losing doesnt count that much. Right now I am in Masters and still deranking tiers with a high winrate. And also if the winrate is negative but the games were insane I recieve upranks... Im not a fan of this because Im a genji/tracer player - it forces me to farm dmg on tanks instead of flanking and getting a heal pick for example. So I went soldier and farmed the tanks down and trying not to die - it felt bad and I did not win a lot but I ranked up from master4 to master1. But overall I thank you for the video because I was wondering what was going on and you nailed also my thoughts here

[@0UTHD]

Update 2 weeks later: I still won more than I lost but got stuck on masters or even deranking to diamond. After playing for like 40h this season I think the system is starting to recognice very slowly that im at least decent in the game. I had harder matches, my winrate got worse and I still ranked up to GM. I got destroyed a lot and couldnt compete on this level and I am master now. The games feel better but it was an up and down. Till yet I dont understand why I am stuck at the rank while winning and ranking up while losing. Something weird is going on but overall I think I am a Master player and I am in Master right now. I wish I could understand :D On one side I think the rank system is not too bad but on the other side something is hella broken

[@Jahkeems]

It's kinda dum. It's like you're being rewarded more for going out and playing your own game than playing your role and enabling others to do well. Annoying.