How Palpatine EMBARRASSED Vader During a Sparring Session - Star Wars Explained

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[@inquisitorgarza312]

Alternative title to the event “Old Man beats a Quadruple Amputee Traumatized Man in a Laser Sword Duel.”

[@TotalTech2.]

1:19 Anakin was *100%* *Right* here. The reason that the Jedi got wiped out was because they had become stagnant. And in Legends when Luke became Grand master, he corrected this error in judgement. He allowed Jedi to carry blasters, form attachments and even encouraged finding new applications for the force that he had never thought of. This is why Legends Luke is the *GOAT* Like father like son, I suppose

[@user-xu5xj3ym4k]

nah that's wrong, Yoda was right about weaponry. The Jedi council was set back because they failed themselves by allowing Anakin to join so late. Had nothing to do with becoming stagnant, literally the opposite. They should have stuck to their old ways that kept the sith in hiding like cowards.

[@williamdewitt3769]

Legends is so much better than cannon now

[@TotalTech2.]

@@williamdewitt3769 Oh yeah. Big time.

[@hiroxmachina]

Ezra and Cal used Blasters as well. They were FAR greater Jedi then the Jedi of the Republic. The Jedi were obsessed with trying to be on the moral high ground, hench why their downfall was so swift. Honestly, it was embarrassing

[@aang6631]

That is why the Sith have the correct view (but wrongful execution). "Peace is a lie." is the first line of the Sith Code. Peace creates stagnation, and in evolution stagnation means another species will overtake you. And you will be destroyed. Peace is a lie.

[@Jordanthomas95]

Fun fact: when Palpatine and Vader sparred again later in the Hidden Empire comics, when Vader was stronger, they were evenly matched.

[@ninjaflashboy]

was it just a sabre duel or was there force moves involved? cause i feel like one little quick shock of force lightning would floor vader in his sub par suit.

[@Jordanthomas95]

@@ninjaflashboy just sabers. But Vader can block lightning with his saber you know, and he’s tanked lightning before. He only died in ROTJ because he let go of his hate.

[@sashaleigh6655]

@@Jordanthomas95 He can't block the lightning he's tried before and it just went past it lol, and no, he really can't tank it, his suit is designed so he literally cannot

[@Jordanthomas95]

@@sashaleigh6655 he was extremely conflicted/weakened when that happened. Palpatine even said so

[@sashaleigh6655]

@@Jordanthomas95 There's been multiple times, right after he got out the suit, and around his prime, with minimal confliction in Star wars (2020) #6, and no diff at that, he can't block it at all, he never has succesfully blocked it without damage for more than a couple seconds

[@okamireader5]

This is mere weeks after Vader's transformation into a cyborg and shortly after making his first Jedi kill after the downfall of the Jedi Order. Vader is nascent, new, a neophyte in the Dark Side, still getting used to his cybernetically-augmented crippled body, and using a lightsaber not yet suited for him in spite of making its kyber crystal bleed. He's had very little training or instruction from his master in the ways of the Sith and in the Dark Side of the Force. So of course he resorts to his old jedi training in their first sparring session. This, along with all the aforementioned facts, made it child's play for Sidious to disarm and humiliate Vader. Vader was barely able to kill Jedi Master Kirak Infil'a in order to take his lightsaber from him, and he did with messy and enraged violence that caused much destruction around him, instead of it being surgical, precise, and decisive, as some Sith would surely be able to do, a perfect example of Vader's raw power in the Dark Side and how it needed refining Vader did indeed refine his power and skills in the Dark Side and with his lightsaber, to the point where he was more machine than man, making his movements robotic yet precise and undeniably powerful. Especially in how he fought and killed Jedi in the years that followed. This comic wasn't just about Vader's sparring sessions with both of his masters but the contradicting philosophies and natures between them. Obi-wan sought to instruct and nurture Anakin into a worthy Jedi Knight Sidious intended to break and reforge Vader into a terrifying Lord of the Sith

[@Firenbrimstone]

I think its pretty safe to say Sidious was successful in his mission.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Very well said.

[@thalmoragent9344]

​@@Firenbrimstone Oh yeah, most definitely

[@joejoyce8031]

“Very few can safely wield, and skillfully wield a lightsaber” don’t tell rey or Finn tho 😂

[@hachi666roku]

Laser sword…

[@goatkiller666]

And also, Palpatine told Vader never to touch him with the Force, on pain of death. Kind of a big handicap when one side is sparring, and the other is risking his life by going all out.

[@krzosu]

The answer is - there are many aspects of the dark side that can augment the user - like using his rage to up his strength or speed - sure one can use force lightning but it doesnt mean thats all he has at his disposal - sidious wanted him to use more than the blade itself. and he could still do both - fight sidious using the darkside but not directly.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

I’m sure Sidious would allow Vader to try and touch him with the Force during a sparring match, especially since Vader would never succeed in doing so. Sidious is so far beyond Vader in both the Force and lightsaber skill that Vader could never land a hit on the Emperor in a fight, whether with the lightsaber or the Force.

[@goatkiller666]

@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain -Meh. Vader touched him with the force once. And palps made his suit vulnerable to lightning for a reason. And eventually, when he didn’t care if he died, Vader managed to pick up Palps and toss him down a shaft. Canonically, Vader was 80% of Palps’ power (if you believe midichlorians are a thing), so he was close enough that Palps had to take precautions.

[@seanhewitt603]

The cabinet you throw at your enemy With the force is not the force... it's just a cabinet you use the force on.

[@ninjaflashboy]

yeah it was probs part of the fact that if vader really wanted to he could have killed sidius with the force. i mean if not crippled to like 1/3rd of his true potential. not to mention his suit was designed so that he could never ideally wield force lightning the bread and butter of the dark side. Sidius never wanted an equal in vader just a good 2nd in command who could never truly challenge him so theres a lot he threw in to the suit and how he treated vader after his extra crispy dip in the lava to turn him into basically a servant. and not touching him directly if it was a teaching moment was to teach vader to reach out with the dark side and use his environment throwing anything and everything towards his enemy in pure rage. - Just a guess ideally probs not what sidius meant. much easier to send a coin or sharp object at an opponent when they are preoccupied fighting you with a sabre.

[@andreaspedersen3952]

It has to be said that the emperor probably feared Vader. I'm sure I read somewhere, that Sidious always made sure that the suit was flawed. To always be a burden to him.

[@ninjaflashboy]

you are correct the suit was flawed dramatically so. it was even extremely weak towards things like force lightning giving the emperor a permanent advantage on vader.. but vader did have an option later down the line to upgrade to an even more advanced suit would have made him unstoppable like a beast. but he was to scared as it would have required basically taking out all of his current life support and to be suspended in a bacta tank while it was being done. so he feared the suit and also that if it was taken away and his pain and discomfort and anger caused by his current suit he also feared he would lose his anger and power in the dark side. basically vaders fall to the dark side made him incredibly weak and fear and anger controlled him for pretty much all of his life after mustafar. like don't get me wrong he was stil a badass beast in his own right but far from what he was destined to be.

[@FrostedSeagull]

Treachery was the way of the Sith. Plagueis stupidly trusted Palpatine/Sidious. Darth Sidious learned from his Master's mistake. In fact. SIdious didn't sleep, ever, apparently due to the way he murdered Darth Plagueis.

[@Fire-kid20]

Keep in mind that palptine knows that Vader is the chosen one and it’s his destiny to defeat the emperor . Besides Vader , palptine feared death 💀.

[@OWmyDragonballz]

@@ninjaflashboyWeak? Lords of the sith states that his connection to the force is stronger than ever with the pain and hatred in him.

[@DirectorsChoice]

The expanded lore cannon books point out the flaws and inconsistencies in Vader's suit. As Sidious killed his own mentor and also abandoned Darth Maul when he stopped being useful. Pain and hate and anguish make a stronger Sith but at what cost. Do you think the rule of two siths worked for or against the Sith?

[@Destroyer94100]

I think people forget that Sidious was actually a master lightsaber duelist so it makes perfect sense that he would easily defeat a still recovering Vader with a saber.

[@user-xu5xj3ym4k]

they could have shown this in the 3rd movie, but they cut 90% of his saber fighting out.

[@brandonwatkins1206]

It’s the single largest flaw in the writing of him, to make him a master of all forms. It’s just so stupid and lazy writing.

[@user-xu5xj3ym4k]

@@brandonwatkins1206 also making him the most powerful Sith ever. Yah sure, Bane would need 5 seconds to beat him in a saber duel, Reven was far stronger with the force as were several others. Lightsaber dueling is a complete joke in later era's.

[@eho6380]

​@@brandonwatkins1206Palpatine was trained by Plagueis and was chosen to be his successor. How in the world would Plagueis let that happen without him mastering all the known lightsaber forms? The Sith would have been wiped out if Sidious didn't know this.

[@brandonwatkins1206]

And plagius learned to be a master of all 7 forms too? Fighting whom? Yoda is 900 how come hes not a master of all forms? Its just shit writing@@eho6380

[@Johnny-wu4iw]

Last time Vader used the force against sidious he was wanted he’d kill him if he used the force against him again … so what was sidious expecting Vader to use if not his lightsaber ?

[@dterm8526]

What?

[@B3an01]

@@dterm8526basically vader hit palpatine with the force in his rage when he just got in the suit and palpatine told him he would finish what kenobi could not if vader touches him with the force so he basically is not allowed to use the force in his sparring match

[@krzosu]

The answer is - there are many aspects of the dark side that can augment the user - like using his rage to up his strength or speed - sure one can use force lightning but it doesnt mean thats all he has at his disposal - sidious wanted him to use more than the blade itself. and he could still do both - fight sidious using the darkside but not directly.

[@dterm8526]

@@B3an01 thank you

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

I’m sure Sidious would allow Vader to try and touch him with the Force during a sparring match, especially since Vader would never succeed in doing so. Sidious is so far beyond Vader in both the Force and lightsaber skill that Vader could never land a hit on the Emperor in a fight, whether with the lightsaber or the Force. Palpatine ordered Vader not to touch him with the Force or be instantly killed for his arrogance, but fighting is the exception. Sidious would not bother training Vader at all if he was going to restrict him from ever using the Force in their sparring matches.

[@Gor85]

This is excellent lesson. Sidious taught him perfectly. Lightsaber is a symbol. Vader used sequences taught him by the Jedi,by Obi-Wan. This was young,very unexperienced Vader. Great lesson from Sidious. May the Force be with you too

[@blaketindle4703]

I wish we had gotten to see Sidious sparring against Dooku!

[@mRibbons]

Awesome explanation by Kenobi. I wish we had more examples of his wreckless youth that turned into the sage we know.

[@Danny___Riot]

I think it’s pretty cool seeing Vader spar with Sidious! It’s something we’ve never seen before and it’s also something I’ve always wanted.

[@Sunstar808]

Now you know why Vader said I must obey my master. Sidious would kick his butt if he didn’t 😅

[@humoyun6036]

This fight was couple weeks after Analin vs Obi Wan on Mustafar, later Vader became strong sith and fought again and their fight resulted in drawl🤡. After that Vader easily killed Palpatine in the dark dimensiom using his force lightning which was red in color and red lightning is something only god of dark side "the Son" used

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Gotta say I like these sorts of moments. Simple deep dives into purpose and intention. “Sure we could make better weapons with Kyber Crystals, but they wouldn’t serve our purpose as protectors.”

[@cernfoxtail6305]

Such a powerful Holocron today, makes me wonder now about the kyber blaster. A Sith Lord assassin with a force powered sniper rifle oh my

[@goatkiller666]

I am not thrilled with how they’ve drawn Siddious.

[@BookishEmperor]

He's supposed to look creepy

[@goatkiller666]

@@BookishEmperor - But he looks creepy in a particular way. And the comic doesn’t show that way.

[@an-animal-lover]

​@@goatkiller666I agree. Save for a few angles here and there, I don't like how he's drawn in any of these comics

[@goatkiller666]

@@an-animal-lover -Yeah, they get the ‘ugly’ part right, but her ugly in a particular way in the films that isn’t represented in the comics.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 188 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@Bostuguinhas]

Qui gon is such an overated jedi, He died like shit in episode 1, how people like this dude, im not even saiyng He isnt strong hes Just shit

[@dterm8526]

You have asked that for 188 days?

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@dterm8526 when one seeks, one must have the will to seek, no matter the length of the journey. May the Force be with you...always.

[@huanhoundofthevailinor2374]

Another day still no luck don't give up you will get that video yet lol

[@bourneytCODMroadto600subs]

Give this man the VIDEO ALREADY.

[@rodgill9376]

I see and understand both sides of the topic. But if I had to choose which was in the right, I'd have to go with Palpatine on this one. Palpatine is saying that the force is one's greatest weapon. With the force, there is almost unlimited (no pun intended) possibilities on what you can do with them. Heck, you can bend the elements if you could. Again, while Palpatine is indeed an amazing lightsaber duelist in his own right, he HATES dueling and lightsabers in general. He believed that the Sith were beyond such weapons. The only reasons he ever use them was to mock the Jedi. Beat them at their own game. The other reason was the have fun with it every once in a while too. But one can do far more damage with the force than a lightsaber ever could and its kind of hard to argue with that logic. In a way, this is kind of similar to Maul. Like Anakin, Maul barely used the force in lightsaber combat. Once he came back, Maul started to use the force more into his combat style. Ironically enough, Maul as a user of form 6 should had been doing that from the start.

[@glasses685]

This is why I laugh at people saying Vader was capable of defeating Palpatine at any point. Any version of Palpatine stomps any version of Anakin/Vader (and I'm not counting imaginary "full potential" versions). Sidious is OP.

[@dterm8526]

For sure.

[@BookishEmperor]

Which isn't a point against Vader. Palpatine is just stupid OP. Unless you're EU Luke, of course.

[@J10005]

Mortis Anakin?

[@georgecrowcroft9260]

@@J10005 Anakin on Morris was just regular Anakin, using the power of Mortis. If the fight happened there, Sidious would boosted too. The result is the same.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

I couldn’t agree more. Palpatine/Sidious is a being who cannot be defeated in a fight, nor can he be outsmarted in any battle of wits. It was only a very small, simple thing that eventually defeated him. But power-wise the Emperor is unmatched.

[@ayatokzorro]

This makes this Vader fight in the Obi-wan show amazing. Vader, having just been embarrassed by Palpatine, is now trying to break Obi-wan in the same way. That's why he burns him and buries him under stone, to show Kenobi that the dark side of the force is his weapon now.

[@TheJasonBorn]

I mean, that is one take on it. But maybe try not forgetting that Anakin always paid far more attention to his saber skills, than to his force abilities.

[@stevefrench7036]

Darth Vader: '' I like lightsabers, it might be the only thing familiar, comforting, fun an... Darth Sidious: oh we're having fun eh? Let me shatter your last piece of joy. ''

[@franciscoguzman1510]

Anakin was never a full fledge sith, just a fallen Jedi

[@adamthompson7932]

"Master Skywalker.. why are we not subcribed?" ppsshhhnnnnn!!!

[@jmgerraughty]

Anakin: “Why aren’t there more variations in lightsabers?” Kenobi: “Because DeviantArt does not exist in our galaxy.”

[@venkelos6996]

I would think that this is after the little "if you touch me with the Force again, I'll finish what Kenobi could not" speech, so maybe Vader was hesitant to Disney his Emperor? And to be fair, I don't feel that he ever REALLY changes. I've always personally seen Vader as more a duelist who can also use the Force, than a Dark Lord of the Sith who also handles a saber well. The Force was for terrorism, and making points; I'm not even sure Vader could channel it into his mechanical limbs, to augment his strength, or dexterity, at least not how other powerful Force-users do.

[@edstringer1138]

He channel it into his body ,stumps and all. Then the limbs had super strength and speed themselves

[@spotify80]

One either uses the entire disposition of the Light, or the entire disposition of the Dark.

[@DarthArachnious]

The Sith did perfect the Lightsaber. Otherwise Obi-Wan would still have a battery pack on his belt.

[@Force-Multiplier]

How is this *one* commic episode better than almost everything Disney has ever done with the Star Wars IP after Revenge of the Sith?

[@kristiawanindriyanto5765]

ROTS- Vader (pre-armor) still fought like a Jedi, focusing on lightsaber combat

[@hello-4229]

what a great video and comic writing

[@newhybrid101]

And people thought Vader would beat Sidious,i always told them he had no chance

[@gamintrucker1016]

Some people underestimate how powerful Darth Sidious is.

[@Daniel-wy3tc]

He could have beaten sidious. But there was no point think about it, Vader was hated by the officer class no sooner had he killed sidious would several admirals declared themselves emperor and the empire would fall into civil war. Vader knew without his popularity as anakin there was no way to win over support especially when all that would do is draw the attention of the emperor. Only the less intelligent would turn this into a silly top trumps scenario.

[@jordanpruitt3500]

I loved seeing this video when it first came out

[@RT42069]

Obi Wan with lightsaber nunchucks would be something to see

[@georgecrowcroft9260]

To me, it makes complete sense Palpatine taught Vadar more about Lightsaber combat. How else would he improve so far past Anakin despite his new limitations and without the war to hone his skills?

[@oceanbytez847]

personally i don't think he improved in lightsaber conbat. He just fought much weaker enemies who stood no chance. Force wise he is definately a force to be feared.

[@ezraisaac2163]

​@@oceanbytez847those "weaker" enemies survived order 66

[@thewarner2139]

@@oceanbytez847 Except right after being put in the armor, he literally went up against a weapon master who is factually stronger than Obi-Wan or any Jedi he had faced up until that point. And later on, his dueling skills reach a level that surpass Palpatine. In canon, Vader does exceed Anakin in every aspect.

[@El-Mac795]

Would be amazing if they did a film or series which was just about sidius and vader in the early years.

[@iluxa-4000]

"One of the greatest light saber duelists out there" As if Sidious isn't. That guy is also one of the most insane duelist known

[@BladeCrossEXE]

Kenobi invented Saber Nunchucks!?

[@BookishEmperor]

Yep

[@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627]

More like a rope dart but yes

[@DrownedInExile]

Fascinating! But I'll just say the same thing I said on an old video, regarding some forgotten Legends Jedi that did use blasters. If the Jedi are serious about being protectors of the galaxy, then they have to be prepared to use any tool, any weapon at their disposal to achieve victory. Be it a saber, a blaster, a cannon, a rocket-launcher, starfighter-mounted torpedoes, etc. For all the training and discipline required, a lightsaber is just a tool in the end. Different tool for every fool.

[@Skarbro]

Oh man, what a great video! I got chills watching that. 🙏🏻😎

[@sharkythe1st1]

When Vader is pushed to the ground and humiliated by Palpatine. Vader should have used that humiliation as an opportunity to fuel his rage and receive the strength to quickly strike back at Palpatine.

[@BookishEmperor]

He was told in another issue not to touch Palpatine with the force ever again or he'd be killed on the spot.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

@@BookishEmperor I’m sure Sidious would allow Vader to try and touch him with the Force during a sparring match, especially since Vader would never succeed in doing so. Sidious is so far beyond Vader in both the Force and lightsaber skill that Vader could never land a hit on the Emperor in a fight, whether with the lightsaber or the Force. Palpatine ordered Vader not to touch him with the Force or be instantly killed for his arrogance, but fighting is the exception. Sidious would not bother training Vader at all if he was going to restrict him from ever using the Force in their sparring matches.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Vader could’ve tried, sure, but even that wouldn’t be enough to make any difference. Palpatine would’ve just deflected it and beaten him down once again. I think Vader was just so shocked to be beaten and humbled so quickly and easily, despite being one of the most gifted Force users and lightsaber duelists ever. That moment made Vader realise just how little he stacks up to the Emperor - Palpatine is unimaginably powerful. Vader then knew that the battle was lost, there was nothing he could do against the unassailable force of nature that is his master: Darth Sidious.

[@sharkythe1st1]

@@BookishEmperor Yeah, takes place right after Vader is informed that he killed Padme in Revenge of the Sith right? I meant, he could of struck at him in a way that wouldn't of actually injured him, but it would of told Palpatine that Vader is worthy as his apprentice.

[@sharkythe1st1]

@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain But why would Palpatine insult him then? Saying he's not good enough when he actually is but it's just that Palpatine is way more skilled than Vader.

[@kaidorade1317]

“We have noticed that many Acolytes have not subscribed to our Order.” You could always take them by Force as the Jedi do

[@samsonthemighty19]

Stupendous just to confirm are we getting that Ulic Qel Droma Bio and Power Scaling video in the same way you did Count Dooku, Satele Shan, and Arcann in previous videos sometime next month? Your friend and Patreon Samson

[@MoistSock22]

Obi wans quote reminds me of Din djarin(forgive my spelling) when he was learning how to use it before he just GAVE IT AWAY.

[@jessesmith9317]

can't say 'unrivaled' if he lost to Kenobi twice

[@Daniel-wy3tc]

Kenobi had plot armour

[@yourknightmanny]

*_NO, THE GALAXY BELONGS TO ME._*

[@Sudestbrewer]

Obi-Wan's lesson was pretty badass.

[@robertdenicola6409]

gotta say this seems pretty lore accurate in my opinion 😊😊😊

[@goatkiller666]

Wasn’t there a gun that Jocasta Nu used briefly that used a khyber crystal in it, before it melted itself?

[@TheStupendousWave]

Yep

[@vnep5743]

Now I have to know.. Does the emperor tell Vader "do not under estimate the power of the dark side."

[@WRL13]

so the rumored Lightsaber Nunchucks are real, except as a concept by Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[@funnature8679]

The lesson in the video as a True and natural Jedi translation to "the chosen one" is basically use your own benevolent emotions like feelings of Justice(like plo koon), compassion, fairness, or "driven by the feeling to save children" to augment your powers of light, and use the force 100% of any way to turn the tables as the true hero, and of course use the plasmablade with it.

[@thomasparque7834]

I think the Jedi and Sith should main be a lightsabers but each order should disallow kinds lightsaber-like weapons if they are not too dangerous to the user like the light-whip. And instead of full on blasters they should have the hybrid lightsaber and blaster. For it is not really the weapon that matters it’s the user and their will to use them that is the key

[@julioxstaticv3782]

Ezra crafted a lightsaber/blaster hybrid

[@lordofpain3476]

So , you see . The jedi had a gross misunderstanding of the force , and it's natural place in the galaxy . Only Lord Sidious fully understood the force.

[@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627]

You were halfway right, then shat the bed

[@richv1893]

Kenobi and Siddious challenged Anakin/Vader in different ways, both with similar messages but with clearly different meanings.

[@markblackburn2343]

Skill with the blade unrivalled except for Obi-wan, Luke, and Sidious.

[@127mfan]

The Jedi's views on the lightsaber being a symbol of their role as protectors while noble is also naive. Only a tiny TINY fraction of the galaxy has actually seen Jedi. Most people simply think of them myths or war propaganda. In short, the Jedi can only show off to the privileged or lucky...

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

The Jedi have no control over other ppl's perceptions of them, nor do they try to control them. They simply live out their philosophy and let their actions speak for themselves. Most ppl haven't seen a Jedi because they weren't in the business of promoting themselves.

[@127mfan]

@@decepticonxhunter4850 You're right, they don't. But that still doesn't change the fact using the lightsaber as a protector symbol to others is basically pointless.

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

​@@127mfanits their tradition and discipline. You are lucky to be born with a high midichlorian count, but your skill in lightsaber combat is only determined in your efforts and commitment in achieving your goals. It is more fairplay

[@127mfan]

@@ketamineheadyoda2248 Traditions can be changed or added onto. The Jedi order back then only had Form I. But they noticed it wasn't great in 1 vs 1 duels. So Form II was made. But that wasn't great against blasters, so Form III was made. And so on. The point is, changing and adapting is nothing new to the Jedi Code. And who says lightsabers are the only weapons that require skill and commitment?

[@thalmoragent9344]

If this same session happened a decade later, the result would've been very different. This is a new, young Vader not readily prepared for his new life as a Cyborg Sith. One who only had jedi teachings to draw on, with no knowledge on Sith combat yet

[@Jordanthomas95]

It did happen again in the Hidden Empire comics and they were evenly matched

[@oliversaunders2967]

Vader became evenly matched with palpatine 5 years later and after seven he was expressed to be better than palpatine in a 1 v 1 duel. However vader would still lose in a 1 v 1 if it was all out with the force allowed.

[@Sephiroth144]

Obi-Wan must've read some NuklearPower, cuz he totally was going to make (Laser) Sword-Chucks

[@superninja109]

Wtf I didn’t know the emperor knew how to use a lightsaber

[@TheSamuraijim87]

This training session does give us a discussion of what is the core of Darth Sidious' view of the lightsaber. That it is merely a symbol for humiliating the Jedi. This is in turn, the viewpoint of physical combat he inherited from Darth Plagueis. We know that Sidious never thought much of Lightsabers on a personal level, and he focused himself on his Force mastery, which was again, a habit he inherited from Plagueis. And yet, many other Sith have viewed the lightsaber as their primary weapon - Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Darth Bane and others. Likewise, Kenobi's view of the Lightsaber - "This weapon is your life" - is completely antithetical to the viewpoint of a Jedi Consular. I find that this interaction is much more characteristic of Darth Sidious' habit of constantly deriding and humiliating Vader for what Sidious views as Vader's failures and weaknesses, rather than what the Sith as a whole believe. Awesome video.

[@dylanh7600]

At this rate the only thing caon vader does is gets embarrassed

[@andrewblack293]

Sorry Darth bean loaf! First time here and I subscribed!!

[@rafagames6355]

Obiwan didn't became uzui tengen because being flashy is against the jedi code

[@jedigeek442]

which comic is this?

[@GKMNova]

Does anyone know? Would love to know as well

[@GavinSeymour-cd8qq]

IMA SILLY ACOLYTETEEE

[@megaman37456]

Obi-Wan: It's not about power it's about how people view us. Ezra Bridger: OR how about functionality?

[@lukesidewalker2998]

Unless your Rey. Then you can just wield it flawlessly the moment it is in your hands.

[@seanhewitt603]

Sidious envisioned an entire empire (except its collapse), and Vader, a turncoat henchman, just does as he's told. Some chosen one, obeys his masters to death. Yes Sir, right away sir, by the way, your death is warm now, shall I serve you? Jolly good sir!

[@dannybodros5180]

Meetra Surik: "I want to build a lightsaber." Arren Kae: "Ah yes, the lightsaber... a Jedi tool and a Sith weapon. And why would you such trinkets?" Meetra Surik: "Because I feel naked without it." Arren Kae: "Then listen to me: a lightsaber - any weapon - only achieves worth in how it is wielded - in the effort, the struggle of one who holds it. Such a weapon does not make a Jedi or a Sith. And at times, it makes them much, much less than they are.

[@richardsuggs8108]

Sodious is correct about the true power of the force.

[@189Moncho]

Sidious was right the force is the true source of power

[@joshuahenderson3444]

it's like I said before he was not fully a trained Sith he still carried the fighting techniques of a Jedi which is one of the reasons why he lost to Obi Wan on Mustafar bc he has not yet fully mastered his dark side powers but now that he is crippled and handicapped it made it more harder for him to retain the same level he once had as Anakin Skywalker with his force potential cut in half he was 80% less than his former self

[@WRL13]

if my original character was to duel Sidious, he would go in using no lightsabers, as a way to, ironically, mock the Sith.

[@clarkisaac6372]

It would be fun if somebody went to film it.

[@keithwarren2226]

A great lesson for Lord Vader 😮

[@God_emperor_Doom]

Obi Wan Kenobi is truly Majestic he is the Jesus of SW universe

[@vivi44]

The whole light saber thing is because writers know certain things like saber pikes or saber whips or saber wrist blades are superior and if they start having characters show up it creates a massive power creep especially if they start using saber shields and light-saber resistant armor, reverse blade grip fighting styles, shoto forms, among other things all seen in the extended universe and original book series. Easier and lazier to keep peddling the same thing with minor variations, after all, having a story line requiring a pay off is hard these days for disney.

[@gabrielboorom2683]

1. The Jedi were utterly pathetic. Why defend those who do not reciprocate? 2. Anakin was always trying to be like The Jedi when he clearly was nothing like them. Literally everyone who sparred with him seemed to get that. 3. Every faction or small group that goes against The Empire just seem to be reacting blindly as a result of The Empire's existence. They never seem to have a greater goal than "Empire bad, we good because we resist". To what ultimate goal? Crawl into a hole like Yoda to be left alone?

[@robertagu5533]

A saber rope dart.. ALWAYS thought that'd been awsome too.. though where Kenobi was wrong... People always only really use 1 dart/knife, OR 1 weight, with say a similar like a Kasurigama or scythe an chain... There's no OTHER blade or hammer thing or multiple chains.. an far as difficult weapons go.. such real world weapons often take MANY years just to learn how to proficiently use. Even MORE to a lifetime to use as an actual fighting weapon. Figure wouldn't be much different then learning an extremely sharp rope dart. Its literally same thing

[@frededwards5931]

I guess Vader listened because his fight with the third sister he barely used his saber

[@aaronsmithjr.5505]

yeah…wow.I choose the sith. Especially after 2:23 “We don’t want to be powerful, we want to stand tall against the dark!”….. Right because it makes sense to stand tall against the dark by not being powerful. YUP Yuperoiiine that makes sense.

[@vemberx7689]

what star wars comic is that? i need to buy it

[@chetno6877]

Skill unrivaled because of order 66 but what if anakin was trained by master mundi

[@jw1415]

Awe, let the old man stretch his legs, he's earned it...taking over the galaxy is monotonous...

[@SmoKKz0r]

Great video, ty..

[@hiroxmachina]

Trying to be high and mighty was the reason why their downfall was swift. Cal, Kanen, Ezra and Luke are the prime example of what Jedi's are supposed to be.

[@davidsmith7962]

Sidious was a cruel master to Vader.

[@user-yq9im9dk9z]

Make an update on Starweird

[@DeWetBarnard777]

Yet so powerful, why discard your saber when fighting Yoda mmm?

[@butterflymage5623]

So that anakin trained by quigon what if?

[@pedroroque829]

Vader is so weak is funny

[@callumbedward93]

You should make a video on whether you think Luke could beat Count Dooku in a battle.

[@bigbraintoothiccc5788]

Ik a lot of people joke about how Kylo and Rey are weak but they surely have a lot of potential in the force right? I mean look at their bloodlines. You should make a video on that

[@kingshadow8782]

Heck Yeah!

[@xanatoselite6078]

If he can’t defeat kenobi how can he defeat defeat sidious

[@2partys1tyranny]

meanwhile, over at Lucas films, it's revenge of the accountants with the ousting of all darksiders who would look to destroy the original concept

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

Remember: Only Bruce Lee can wield lightsabers attached to chains. Lord Vader ... have I ever told you about the musical about Ani O KIee the Sharpshooter, and how anything you can do, I can do better?

[@raulmacias647]

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