Why Palpatine HATED Darth Vader's Lightsaber Form - Star Wars Explained

[@chrishealton3830]

Starting to think palpatine hated just about everything about Vader. Couldn’t get him to abandon his Jedi ways. Specifically the fixation on his saber. “This weapon is your life”

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

Sidious did pretty much hate everything about him.

[@kennylindsay-zy4zi]

Im actually glad that anakin and vader killed palpatine ​@@SkinnyEatWorld95

[@Fist3ee]

​@@SkinnyEatWorld95yeah because he always knew that Anakin was in there all along and plus when he revealed his identity to him there was no point in faking it anymore

[@phillipmonroe3205]

a lot of what i've learned from this channel is that palpatine basically hated everything about Vader

[@ultimagaming6035]

Yea, vader wen from being the golden child of the sith, to the gum on the bottom of lord palps shoes, all in the blink of an eye. Palpatine could never get over his frustration with anakins loss to obi.

[@chrismlone]

He never got over vader losing to a nobody Jedi like Obi-Wan.

[@beentheredonethat5908]

Yes he did , once vader was his lesser, Palpatine hated everything about him. Vader should have fixed his suit, he never did , he kept himself weaker to Palpatines force lightning , he was supposed to be getting reast and finding ways to over throw Palpatine, yet he never did. As powerful as vader was, his self hate and weakness made him useless to Palpatine and the sith, and Palpatine feared dieing and leaving the sith I'm such a broken man's hands.

[@Thebroshow13]

Does anyone else notice that when Vader fights , he fights with one hand similar to Dooku and he only uses both hands if he’s losing a fight .

[@jeffreyherndon5259]

I noticed that, also I think that in ROTJ he used one hand when he was on his back on the Death Star II as Luke was going crazy on him.

[@evos469]

Yeah that's because Dookus style is excellent form provided you don't allow someone to live to learn to defeat it.

[@Thebroshow13]

@@evos469 cool , I use to practice fencing 🤺 and we used one hand holding the foil , similar to how Dooku used one hand .

[@DarthSagius]

Vader utilized his power and reach in unison to keep the preferred distance between him and his opponent for ensured control. The Sith use The Force amid saber combat as well, which also tends to work better when one's opponent is several paces away. Should your target gain too much distance from you, a simple Force Pull negates and chips away at their resolve. When one sees and feels the futility in their efforts to obtain any advantage against you, the greatest weapon is then at your full command...their fear.

[@gustavedelior3683]

Yeah, he doesn't often do a two handed strike and when he does it looks powerful but also looks a little awkward.

[@joeswanson8181]

Palpatine really said "Throw hands" 😂

[@firstlast8258]

Rated E for everyone

[@AYAKXSHI]

“Throw hands pretty boy this is the bamboo forest not a dojo

[@joshuahenderson3444]

I think one of the contributing factors to why Vader lost on Mustafar was bcuz of the fact that he still fights like a Jedi and not as a real true Sith despite breaking away form the Jedi Order and being bestowed the title of “Darth” bottom line is despite all his power he wasn’t as trained in the dark side as he had been as a Jedi Knight, Vader was powerful but i think besides his own arrogance as to why he lost was bcuz Kenobi was too familiar with his skills in fighting style and knew Anakin all too well yet was inexperienced as a new Sith Lord and lacked the potential knowledge and wisdom he could have had before until after his injuries

[@dionysisnance4204]

He just was still upset that vader was trapped in that suit after obi wan high ground

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

He put him in that suit or should I say I put him in it

[@ethansanders5706]

I always find it funny whenever someone suggests that a sith fight with honor. Like, dude, their whole thing is to be unfair backstabbers, why in all the galaxy would they ever play fair? Or the sith that calls Malgus a traitor. Duh, he’s an evil dude, did you forget what side you’re on?

[@beentheredonethat5908]

They still have a level of honor to what they do. I know it seems strange but even dirty thing they di to each other once they are master and apprentice, is set up prior , it is an understanding.

[@jasonabrams639]

Palpatine, though powerful, was ultimately a coward. Why else would he restrain Anakin and make his suit with design flaws if Palpatine was so certain Darth could not stand against him? Sometimes it seems that cowardice is a very powerful Sith strength.

[@fantaientertainment4163]

I mean, fear is part of the dark side.

[@chubbieracoon___1677]

fear. pretty much all of the sith were fearful or paranoid that their apprentice was unworthy to carry on the sith legacy. bane for instance was worried zannah wouldn’t live up to his expectations and become stronger than him to carry out the rule of two

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[@arthurfrayn7619]

True: he was a betrayer and thieves often think everyone are thieves. He was the opposite of Bane of multiple levels.

[@TheStellarmanCo.]

Vader atbFull Power couldn't handle Palpatine, Palpatine was the Darkside he tapped into it in a way Vader NEVER could

[@overknightacention39]

So this is why Vader uses the Force to throw things at Luke in Empire Stricks Back.

[@mortalitydoesstuff8965]

(spoilers but the show has been out for a long time) Between this and Obi-Wan ruining him with a bunch of rocks in the Kenobi series

[@jonbodhi]

Jedi want an honorable duel, Sith want to WIN!!

[@EAcapuccino]

Walk before you can run. 😅 At this point Darth Vader was still an - infant Sith Lord - so to speak.

[@ssyn6626]

Something I appreciate that the old and even current Star Wars does with Vader and Palpatine, Palpatine will say or do something to Vader and then sometime later Vader will repeat this to one of his opponents. The barrage as said here and in the first and second force unleashed games Palps call Vader Broken and in the second Vader calls the Star Killer clone broken using the same lines.

[@lordofpain3476]

Any Sith that begs for mercy , is not a Sith at all . Just as any Sith that asks for assistance , isn't worthy of helping .

[@miguelangelhernandezsolis7849]

Any sith if it's in danger he will act like a coward That is part of the dark side

[@jakealter5504]

Unless said begging for mercy is really just them begging for death like when maul begged palpatine for mercy after palpatine beat him

[@tomspectre6329]

when dueling with my friends, i employ form 2 makashi, with flavors of djem so and vaapad mixed in. i am undefeated.

[@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051]

You talk about vaapad like it's real 😂 dude if you want to have an aggressive form learn to use makashi and Ju-yo together perfect balance between parrying then bringing down the hammer

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Darth Sidious was very insightful with how the Sith have truly move beyond the need of the Lightsabers and this should have been the case as well with Vader as he was the most powerful force user in the history of the Galaxy and he would have been unstoppable if he directed his training to just his force abilities.

[@docholliday4546]

I don't think so..

[@jonbodhi]

He pretty much did just that in the Obi-Wan series against Reva. He NEVER drew his saber, and when he felt like dueling, HE TOOK ONE OF HERS! Epic!

[@AmorArdet]

6:57 lookin like JoJo siwa ..or gold dust from wrestling back in the day.... just looking fancy ASF 😂😂

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

I like Palpatine’s Sith combat teaching style because he shows you better then he tells you when in practise & I respect that a lot 🔥.

[@tromedlovdrolmai]

So then, Why did Sidious choose to fight Maul and Savage with sabers rather than just kill Savage immediately with the Force, and take Maul immediately? Why risk a battle throughout multiple rooms of Mandalore? Why risk being spotted?

[@overknightacention39]

He was toying with them. He saw them as a threat to his plans just not in a fight. This is why at the being of thr fight he simply Foce pushes them but never uses force lighting, he wants to have fun.

[@frankiesanchez2319]

to prove his superiority, he even says it in the video, the sith want to show their superiority

[@totski999]

Because sometimes everyone needs a distraction, he didn't need to use his saber, but he felt like it, because hell, why not?

[@troylawson1902]

He was toying with them lol he wanted to have fun and also teach them there place.

[@jonbodhi]

Ego! Justified, as it turns out.

[@WhoTfIsNe0n]

Imagine if Vader focused on his force abilities more than his combat skills 😭

[@masterexploder9668]

Yeah, most important for Sith is victory, they are ultimate combat pragmatists, unless rage clouds their judgement. Palpatine sneers like a maniac when fighting, but in truth he's a very calculating fighter, eager to create new opportunities and exploit them for maximum shock and awe to overwhelm his enemies. It seems he tries to teach Vader how to think outside the box, instead of relying on just one method of fighting and then making questionable decisions like jumping on High Ground Kenobi. He also established a clear hierarchy: Vader lives only because he's useful and Palpatine was nice, he could be smoked at any time.

[@a.d.clarke4990]

0:24 Yoda, Mace and Sidious: “Oh really?” 😂

[@Gor85]

This is very powerful. I can imagine everything. Palpatine tought Vader properly. Battle,how mto use dark side and to conquer his enemies. And Vader learned it. Very powerful. May the Force be with you too😊

[@DMBLaan]

For the record, I don't hate EVERYTHING Disney Canon has done to Star Wars. I like a lot of the small moments, like this interaction with Sidious or the addition of the inhibitor chips in the Clone Troopers. The stuff I hate is the big changes, like what they did with Luke in the Sequel Trilogy, and the inconsistency in the story Disney is trying to tell with their Canon extended media, which is imo worse than the majority of Legends stroy telling

[@jonbodhi]

Some of the Vader comics have been excellent. ‘Fortress Vader’ is a standout.

[@pkbtpiccolo]

0:15 where i can find that music in the background????

[@Althar9809]

The way jedi/sith perceive combat makes me think of the japanese/mongolic way to perceive combat (like in the game Ghost of Tsushima for example) Samurais fight for honor first and then for victory while the Mongols fight to conquer and that’s it, every method of conquering, as long as it is effective, works fine. I’m no historian but that’s how I see it!

[@christopherhyatt7650]

This guy is the king of stretching 3min of actual content into 15min of repetition and inferring

[@joshuabrady6974]

Then you can move on to something else rather than bitching.

[@reginaldshort8486]

Mustafar Vader could’ve used the force to crush Obi Wan. Kenobi was above average in force power while Vader was practically the force made flesh.

[@jonbodhi]

Exactly Palpatine’s point. He fought like a Jedi, against someone who KNEW his moves by heart, plus he let himself get unfocused. He WANTED to out-fight Kenobi. Ego was his downfall.

[@masterexploder9668]

He could throw lava at Kenobi, jump somewhere else, sail to a safer spot or at worst just call it quits to fight another day. Sometimes discretion is a better part of valor, especially if you are facing a High Ground Kenobi.

[@k.mcdaniel8378]

Great video!!

[@TheShadow14150]

Sidious: you fight like a Jedi!

[@jimdo9797]

I have actually missed that sith use more force, the a jedia does.

[@kainslegacy7]

Woulda liked to see Pal try that against an older, wiser and stronger Vader. Wonder how easy it woulda been for him then?

[@aster4jaden]

Sidious is right, the Dark Side is the Sith's greatest weapon.

[@August3B]

Had Anakin not been injured he would've smoked him

[@AmorArdet]

Facts

[@timian210]

not in this moment but eventually yes

[@12bigredd]

he is a Sith Lord!!! he hates everything lol

[@krxwnvxk3432]

To sum it all up, “Vader still fought and thought like a Jedi when it came to dueling” as well as depending solely on his lightsaber instead of the dark side of the force.

[@rayloc420]

this was really good

[@jordanbranden506]

*Jedi cutting down droids* Droid: "Oh look, a Jedi!" *Sith force-choking one Jedi* Random Person: "*WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!*"

[@Moarlatz]

I just realized this exploit, Jedi or Sith could just wait somewhere camouflaged for their opponent to walk by then once they're distracted with a conversation. or they don't even need to be distracted but it would help. Any force user could ignite the lightsaber on their hip and then push it into their legs within half of a second, before it could even be reacted to, it would already be over.

[@almightyproductions9657]

The problem with this is several innate and trained defenses all force users have would trigger/warn the target giving them ample time to stop it or otherwise get rid of the lightsaber. And anyone strong enough in the force to overwhelm those defenses quick enough would have much simpler and quicker ways of killing.

[@starkilr101]

Probably the only lesson he ever gave his apprentice that didn’t involve using Imperial officers as pawns to test loyalty.

[@DarthGandalftheBlack]

Darth Sidious is probably the worst Sith Lord to ever live. He constantly damaged himself and his plans because he was obsessed with control. He alone is responsible for Vaders failure to embrace the dark side. He never should have purposefully hurt Vader with the suit. Had Palpatine given Vader the best possible chance with his suit, he would have been an absolute monster. Probably the greatest Sith Lord to ever live. Palpatine only has himself to blame for his failure.

[@jonbodhi]

Palpatine didn’t really WANT Vader to succeed him! He planned on sticking around…forever!

[@josephalonzo1059]

No, Vader's own interests are what stopped him from fully and truly embracing the Dark Side... The only part Sidious played in Vader's failure to embrace the Darkness is by not telling/explaining/showing Vader EXACTLY WHY he needs to embrace it fully... If he did that, especially since there are some forms of force necromancy the sith used, then Vader would have fully delved into and embraced the Dark Side because it would have given him the means to resurrect Padmé... That obsession is what stopped Vader from doing what Sidious wanted him too... All Darth Vaderkin Skywalker wanted when embracing and unleashing his inner Dark Side was a way to bring his wife back from the dead... Like literally do your own research and check up on the studies Vader did in all the sith texts/holocrons as well as visiting old Sith temples... I know for 100% fact I'm so correct here, that if you prove I'm wrong and site your information source so I can check it out, I'll figure out your address and send you a blank check with my signature on it that you can fill out everything else yourself to cash

[@dcherry76]

I’ve always believed that Anakin should’ve paid a little bit more to his force abilities than the lightsaber. He’s the chosen one, which is potential being unlimited.

[@layniebear1237]

thanks for another one!~

[@stylevstar253]

You don’t even need to watch this video. The entire reason is explained in the thumbnail. “You fight like a Jedi” is why Palpatine hated Vaders initially form. Then end

[@joshuafranco1570]

Great video.

[@SammichAran-cg6rd]

Huh I’ve always wondered why Jedi didn’t use the force more often But this also makes me like the Obi-Wan series less since in the show he uses the force more often

[@andy2200]

Darth The Goat Sidous.

[@TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf]

Finally we see some lightsaber instruction. In legends Palestine does zero training for vader in regards to combat

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Vader trains with Israel

[@jimmyramos1989]

@@Hello-bi1pmwhat?

[@TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf]

@@Hello-bi1pm That would explain why he’s so cruel, murderous and genocidal

[@stuartgooding7295]

Who was the chosen one , ..sidues or vader??? ..vader always knew ...he was stronger than his master ....but needed to byed his time .....he needed his son to be there to see it "" ..his sute never held him back ....from his full potential....only luke did ...

[@noahblevins9569]

Vader was the chosen one, but he was not stronger than his master. Sidious built in a weakness to sith lightning to his armor. He needed Luke to overthrow him, because Luke had the same potential Vader did BEFORE his body was so badly damaged. With training (in secret) Vader could have taught Luke how to kill Sidious. Palpatine had the same knowledge, and wanted a more powerful replacement for Vader.

[@sukinsyn6387]

stroke?

[@jonbodhi]

His suit TOTALLY held him back. One jolt of force-lightning and that fight would be OVER! It’s how Sidious killed him, after all.

[@kingshadow8782]

Amazing!

[@drakethesnek6429]

Palpatine was teaching vader niman.

[@JakeTheStakeNowIn3D5024]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE NAME OF THAT MUSIC THAT PLAYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO IS CALLED! I LOVE IT SO MUCH YET NO ONE TELLS ME WHAT IT IS!

[@bigseven8227]

2:56 I've never heard the phrase "chin clipped" before. I tried to look it up and I got no results

[@TheFlamingKing2023]

*Jedi or not he’s still a badass*

[@johntrevy1]

So the Sith way is basically "Strike first, Strike hard, No mercy"?

[@drakethesnek6429]

Anakain beat drallig with the force, not his lightsaber. This is according to the RotS game, which is canon.

[@alexschmeling2655]

I think vader may have actually learned better under a sith academy, rather rhan be of rhe rule of 2 era. Take darth scarborus for instance, incredibly skilled with a blade as well as sorcery and ancient rituals. He encouraged dueling and culling of the weak students. Darth vader coukd have become a truly dangerous warrior under those conditions

[@superiorfelixgameing8067]

What issue it this need to read it plz

[@plasmisarcadia2204]

Palpatine as far as Im aware has never dueled Vader when his mastered the lightsaber form he created. If Palpatine fought Vader as he was in the height of his ability to Duel, itd have been a VERY different story.

[@masterexploder9668]

Palpatine is still faster than Vader and a better Force user, so that's where issues really begin. Lightning is often quoted as a big danger to Vader, but it should be only an issue if he tries to tank it with his face, he could absorb it with a lightsaber. It's not foolproof method though, Palpatine could blast Yoda's lightsaber from his hand by using a quick bolt of lightning.

[@Dakblasta]

I swear you’ve gotta be making stuff up just to have something to talk about at least sometimes

[@shadeofshattered3]

Wait didn't bane die because his apprentice challenged him like that

[@valzicplayz3845]

I mean Palpatine if you gave Vader a better suit he could fight more like a Sith.

[@dixoncider186]

My god I'm starting to believe people know more lore on shows than actual politics I'm worried about are future damn near makes me suicidal

[@thomasparque7834]

Palpatine was right break Vader out his Jedi view for in a way Jedi need to more willing to using the Force in battle maybe not to same excant as the Sith but they need it to help survive, though he was very wrong to be so dimissive of the lightsaber and only use as a tool of insulting his enemy. The Sith always need a lightsaber either to fight a powerful Jedi, would be Sith or something ELSE.

[@thomasparque7834]

The Jedi should always use their weapon to protect themselves and others but they need to limited and just let members choose which best though be very good with a single blade for they in a way forgotten, in other ways the Sith too, that its was not the weapon truily matters its the wielder that it is important.

[@masterexploder9668]

He just wanted Vader to become a more sophisticated fighter than just charging at people and try to hack them into pieces. This tunnel vision led to all his limbs getting chopped off instead. For someone with such a Force potential, you would expect more from Anakin as a Force user.

[@PJOZeus]

His dueling more so than his lightsaber form Has no issue with his movements Also, as much as he's right, one Vader initiated the duel and two knows he's weaker than sidious and would lose that force battle

[@kingshadow8782]

Hello there!

[@larryroberts3598]

General Kenobi

[@kingshadow8782]

😮

[@donaldalessio7580]

I have a question why would Sidious even care doesn't he hate the lightsaber Darth Vader gets the job done why care

[@cchavezjr7]

I think you need to learn the differences between "Deluded" and "Diluted".

[@VaderXkb]

Cause it's modified...cause he could change his sabers length...cause it was nothing like his

[@georgec5769]

Then why did obi use the force to throw rocks at vader on the obi wan show?? Clearly thats not exclusive to sith.

[@XanderFrederick]

5:34 Vader v Reva the Third Sister. She wasn't worth Vader using his own blade.

[@jonbodhi]

One of the greatest moments of the Disney era. She had NO chance! He was just amusing himself!

[@shayr.3412]

​@@jonbodhi That's an asinine take.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 476 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

Give up

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@Emperorandydarklordofthesith I follow the Will of the Force and it wills me to continue. For I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. May the Force be with you...always.

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

@@samuelrobles3737 then u will soon pay the price for to lack of vision he’s never going to do it

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@Emperorandydarklordofthesith Perhaps. But one must be mindful of their thoughts but not at the expense of the moment. And in this moment, I do the bidding of the Will of the Force. For I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. May the Force be with you...always.

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

@@samuelrobles3737 the force doesn’t exsist I find ur lack of faith districting now u will stop this cus u know he will never do it

[@JosephKleingebbinck]

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[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@tweso1499]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@glasses685]

This is why I laugh at Anakin fanboys who think Vader ever stood a chance against Sidious. People talk about the suit's weakness to electricity, but Sidious can beat Vader very easily without even having to use Force Lightning. Or even a lightsaber.

[@sleepyking4558]

Buddy this took place pretty soon after Vader just got his suit. Vader got dramatically stronger in the many years afterwards, and did completely eclipse and surpass Sidious in skill with a lightsaber. Get some basic critical thinking skills then comment.

[@firstlast8258]

Darth McConnell

[@JohnG44]

​@@sleepyking4558and yet sidious dominated vader for 20 years vader needed Luke to distract him if not sidious would had wiped out vader.

[@Ethan-wr2os]

​@@sleepyking4558Vader's lightsaber abilities NEVER eclipsed that of his master's and there is no evidence of this whatsoever. Why did he want to recruit Luke to his cause to overthrow Sidious if he his dueling abilities had surpassed his master's? Vader only ever got to 80% of the power and skill his master had. I say "only" but it was clearly still a lot, of course. Apart from his master he still went unchallenged, until Luke

[@sleepyking4558]

@@JohnG44 Again suit + lightning = vader kept in check. Basic critical thinking skills

[@roninkahn4033]

Says the guy who just uses rhe forms during a duel like a rock paper scissors match, which clearly didn't go to well against someone like mace windu

[@JasonWoodman]

What is up with a commercial every 2 mins. This is my Star Wars go to page but if I am going to have a commercial so often I will stop being a subscriber.