How Pharaoh's Guards Fare Against Seleucid Cavalry Roster in OG: Rome Total War?

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@seraryu2904 4 ай бұрын

Phalanx moonwalking is a chronic disease.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.

@camulodunon 3 ай бұрын

what's that

@seraryu2904 3 ай бұрын

@@camulodunon When a phalanx is shocked (usually from cavalry), they will sneak back. It's like a moonwalk, so I put it that way. Sometimes they move like that all the way to the end of the map.

@sheepisfortheweak6164 Ай бұрын

@@seraryu2904 Even worse when they move forward out of your line

@tldr7159 4 ай бұрын

These tests hurt to watch sometimes. Like they´re really cool, the concept is super fun. But the way these Pharaoh´s guard are used is horrible, they get so bugged like facing the wrong way when they otherwise would have beat the armoured elephants. I saw the "stop" button be used once in one the fights, not sure if that counts as "tactics" but its often useful to do in game as it makes your pike units lower their pikes again, its often smart to do multiple times when facing cav/ele. I know tactics are not allowed, so guess the test is fair. But just seems so stupid that the guards are facing the wrong way, or to the side while the ele is on the left of it just flanking it. I wish it would be allowed to just click attack on the ele if they face the absolute wrong way.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Actually, after several seconds from the impact the unit is allowed to attack. I think that is the case, when you saw the "stop" button used. Also in those Elephant fights, it is the unit that performs badly, even if the player orders them to battle 10 times, they remain facing in the wrong direction :)

@tldr7159 4 ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 Ah okay fair enough then, guess micro is just needed then because they are so bugged those pikes. But ye i guess dragging a line to face the ele is "tactics", oh well still just seems silly - like if they´re gonna lose they should lose fighting smart not like that, thats just...ye makes the game look bad, but ye guess its just the engine then thats not too good. And thanks for the explanation about the "attack" ye that could explain why they lowered the pikes, sometimes when that doesnt work thats when i used to press "stop" as that could help get them to lower the pikes, stop and attack etc.

@napoleoncomplex2712 4 ай бұрын

@@tldr7159 I guess it does serve the purpose of showing what can happen to units that are left unattended in a busy melee. Not the first time I've been busy micro managing an important manoeuvre like a cavalry charge going in, only to realise belatedly that something else has happened on the other side of the field and now my entire flank is running away. That said, kind of hard to miss an elephant attack.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

@@tldr7159 Thanks for the comment. The difficulty with remaking the formations is that it would make the units a bit more difficult to compare. How fast one reacts? Is the formation optimal etc.? If these were just individual tests I would fully agree with you :)

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

@@napoleoncomplex2712 Thanks for the comment. Yea, imo it is rather nice that there can be surprises if the unit is left to own devices, and that ofc depends on the unit too :)

@Parakas15 4 ай бұрын

Pharaoh's guard. Elite hoplite infantry with elite pike stats. No shields meaning every missile heavy army is just going to rip you to pieces. They probably got unlucky versus the armoured elephants but that's just how janky phalanxes can be.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yea, the RNG plays a role in these battles :)

@Fl0r1daMan 4 ай бұрын

It bothers me that the spears weren’t facing the right direction against the elephants

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yea, me too. But that is because of the unit. They were ordered to attack several seconds after the impact but this is the result :)

@hammer3721 4 ай бұрын

Viring Pharaoh Guards vs Chad Heavy Spearmen.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment :) Could you elaborate a bit, I am not sure I quite understood?

@hammer3721 4 ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 Pharaoh Guards: 8 victories. Heavy Armenian Spearmen: 8,5 victories. Heavy Spearmen are the real deal. 🗿

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

@@hammer3721 Ah, thanks for the clarification :D Indeed.

@scale6873 4 ай бұрын

Curious to see the (armoured) war elephants almost instantly routing but the regular ones not

@CommanderNissan 4 ай бұрын

The armored elephants won this one. Honestly I’m surprised, typically they do worse than the regular war elephants.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

I think the War Elephants routed, and I guess do to rather heavy casualties sustained quite quickly :) Thanks for the comment.

@lifeman99 4 ай бұрын

you should try and do this with silver shield pikemen against roman units

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That is actually the plan when this series is complete :)

@jpkim-dv2um 2 ай бұрын

Only one case that "armoured" elephants are harder than war elephant.

@qualityoldgames7721 2 ай бұрын

Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.

@CommanderNissan 4 ай бұрын

One of these guys will get a perfect score, surely!

@timcornah9815 4 ай бұрын

Gotta be Spartans. They don't rely on armour like other elite phalanx units so the AP Mace's of the catas won't be such a big deal. And they have enough morale to outlast eles. I'm curious if other elite phalanxes (I'm thinking Royal Pikemen, Sacred band, Silver/bronze shields) can clean sweep as well though - they do rely more on armour and have less morale than Spartans so I really don't know!

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Let's see if Spartans or Royal Pikemen could do it :) Thanks for the comment.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

@@timcornah9815 Those will be interesting tests :) Thanks for the comment.

@tldr7159 4 ай бұрын

@@timcornah9815 Sacred band surely will win all 10 I think.

@rorschach1985ify 4 ай бұрын

Man this was the rare occurrence where not only do Armored Elephants do better then their unarmored kin, but even the normal Elephants did a better job then they did. Really Humiliating.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Agreed on that :D Thanks for the comment.

@Mokronable 4 ай бұрын

Listen we all know that pikes will beat the majority of these units...We're just here to see the carnage!.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

And that is the also a partial reason for the vids ;D Thanks for the comment.

@sheepisfortheweak6164 Ай бұрын

Pharaoh's guards really are just not very good for a late game unit

@qualityoldgames7721 Ай бұрын

Yea, considering the requirements they are rather a lack-luster unit :) Thanks for the comment.

@tldr7159 4 ай бұрын

Beating elephants is a lot about causing massive casualties real fast, if you do that they will route like the war elephants. Also its kind of ironic that the combat tutorial guy warning you that its a bad idea to charge pikes from the front with cavalry is wrong when its about catas. Catas directly into pikes into using their AP maces, and they decimate, especially if you run through the unit a bit, if you got 2-3 cav units you can make really good breakthrough on pike units, run through them and then start smashing. Especially also since the pikes will be so messed up.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Fully agreed on that, and it is a bit surprising. :)

@chralexNET 4 ай бұрын

I haven't tested it myself, but I would think the result would change drastically if the units were deployed in coordination with other pikes in a sensible formation. That is because I think the most damage is done as soon as the unit of pikes are encircled, and at least when I play I try to place lots of pikes next to each other so they cover their flanks. If you'd like to you could try out the same units but in this formation: V V V / == \ Just to see if that would change the outcome. where V = cataphract and =,/ and \ are pikes. The == is just a single pike unit.

@qualityoldgames7721 4 ай бұрын

@@chralexNET Thanks for the comment. Yea, that would certainly affect the results. An interesting idea. I will add that to TO-Do list :)