How Professions Should Improve In World of Warcraft: The War Within - Feedback For Developers

[@SoulSoBreezy]

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[@dragovianknight]

Not being able to max out skill points, because so many recipes are RNG drops (and despite playing multiple alts all expac, I've fished up two recipes in bottles, both of them for inscription), killed my interest in crafting early on. While I like that people can sell these recipes, farming the AH isn't fun, and shouldn't be the primary way to learn new recipes.

[@k9tirion927]

The problems is that if everyone can learn everything fast it is worth nothing. Professions kind of need a scarcity element, if the current model is the right one is of course debatable.

[@jasminhubanic7065]

My man i spent around 1-2mil on recepies in season 1 for knowledge points, all part of the game :D

[@bronm3369]

I feel crafting items for profit is so painful since other players have to provide soulbound materials and there is always 0 crafting orders. One of the most negative things was discovering that even If I have the soulbound material, I can not place a public order for a big ilvl item, I have to find someone and then send them a private order? Really inneficient and annoying. I was big into professions previous xpacs but this is just extremely complicated for no reason.

[@monkieassasin]

This is actually the main reason I quit retail in DF. I’ve always had a heavy focus on playing the AH and making gold while I waited in between queues for pvp. I feel any fun in that had been ruined by this system

[@pauldacon828]

The professions in shadowlands took 13 seconds to level and then the absolutely only thing they were any good for was making the same legendary base item 9000 times in order to become proficient enough to make a decent level rank of it. It was beyond lame.

[@pauldacon828]

Who cares how difficult it is to find somebody to craft an item for you anyways? The profession system is so fun and rewarding in dragonflight, you should just level up a profession and learn the skill points and make your own gear. The new region-wide Auction House makes it incredibly easy to buy all the materials you need without spending a fortune.

[@monkieassasin]

@@pauldacon828 i think the issue w/ the crafting system is the crafting order aspects of it. The actual profession changes, like specializations and knowledge points, are really cool. I dig those changes. The only issue I have w/ the professions themsleves is catch up is a bit painful if youre behind, but other than that its good. Crafting orders though could be done away with and the entire system would dramatically improve. At least the everything being bop portion.

[@MrBlazer688]

DF changes to professions are the thing that allowed me to go from a 200k gold on my account overall to 6mil , so in my opinion, as someone who loves the aspect of economy in any game , the profession system has never been better, and crafting items for profit has never seemed this good before.

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

My wife and I were talking about this the other day. I really like the fundamentals behind the profession changes in DF, but I think they should change their philosophy on the specializations just a bit. Basically, I think they should really decouple progression through skill level from progression through the specialization system. In most professions, you get to a point where you have unlock recipes in the specializations in order to progress your crafting skill level. My hope is that specializations become less about strictly dictating what you can and can't do and instead become about making crafting in that particular area better and easier. Then, add some top level recipes as a "capstone" only - but you can reach (and maybe should) max crafting skill without touching these. I also think leveling a profession should yield knowledge so that by the time you've maxed it out, you have maybe 40% to 50% of the specialization trees done. Currently, maxing your skill is like 20% to 30% of the grind. I'm hoping the design shifts to where when you hit max level profession, you're fully competent in an area of your profession with further knowledge grinding being to round out your crafting.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

My experience in the other professions is a bit limited, but iirc an early patch made the other trees accessible at much lower levels, negating the requirement to get outside recipes from drops or renown, to continue leveling. Recipes at the capstone sound okay but the early thought that comes to my head is that I wouldn't be allowed to "spec wide," which worked out very well early on because then people didn't care much about quality and wanted a wide variety of items. By the time one would spec deep enough to learn one of those epic recipes they just may regret it.

[@jwmoffat]

Some great ideas! I'm hoping that they can add to the crafting order system such that it's feasible to keep leveling your skill in it even without the help of players. Which is why I love the "brute forcing" idea, along with the NPC work orders they were thinking of adding. Even maybe world quests that help reward you with harder to find materials for yourself if you mine a certain number of nodes or craft a few pieces of NPC gear to start learning how to make it.

[@orange-micro-fiber9740]

I never used crafting orders. There were never any orders up for me.

[@MrM4DD0gg]

Fair play soul, glad your content is influencing a company this big......something to be proud of

[@ChrisTallant]

This is funny that you brought this up now. Was just talking about this with some old podcasting friends and guildies and how professions flopped hard this expansion (and yes, I'm aware this is my opinion, and I'll explain why.) Due to how in depth all the variety of multiple options and different paths, and even when one finally does start to make something, the different ingredient ratings and such just made it strange for someone not knowing how to do it. I made the point "I shouldn't have to go outside of the game to understand how to do basic fundamentals of crafting - such as Herbology." and that's the biggest problem, I have 25 alts and not a single one of them use professions in DF because of the Brandon Sanderson novel you have to read to understand how to get going with the variables and crafting order and spanking parts and whatever. It's too much and no one cares.

[@shawnc292]

I think thats not a problem with professions its a problem with teaching them. I love the new complex systems but I think the fact that you have to engage in EVERY SYSTEM to make anything decent is kinda a feels bad I would love some more utility that dont need quality/finishing reagents/rng gods to be worth anything

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Personally I enjoyed the complexity and think that now that we've gone through an expansion with this sort of system, version 2 with UX improvements and limited respecs will help greatly. This version was VERY unforgiving. I don't blame people for being turned away because they didn't want to make a mistake.

[@ChrisTallant]

@@SoulSoBreezy If there were just more ways to understand what each thing did or implied even… that would be handy. I agree with you entirely, the tougher things should wield the best results, I just don’t know if the cost of admission is that damn high though.

[@willythemailboy2]

@@ChrisTallant They really do need to take the CraftSim addon and add that as baseline functionality in the game. Improve upon it as well, such as real time reading AH prices for accurate profit predictions.

[@ChrisTallant]

@@willythemailboy2 Looking into this now…

[@alexfdezpal]

Professions woked at an individual level for me. As a casual I leveled the main leatherworking spec and reached max for all the main mail patterns. That has allowed me to craft high level pieces for myself with new patch releases. It totally failed on a social or goldmaking level though, it was impossible to catch a public order and at some point I just stopped doing the weeklys or trying to do anything with it since I had what I “needed” for me.

[@WilliamVosseler]

I’d like to see a permanent catch-up mechanic for knowledge-similar to how the seasons allow an increasing amount of crests/valor/etc per week. If the systems can show that, for example, I’ve had Blacksmithing for 52 weeks, I ought to be eligible to order 52 treatises… and if I forget or blow it off, but want to jump in, I’m able to do it without feeling like I’m 52 weeks behind. Obviously it would be expensive to order 52 tipped treatises, but that’s between me and my WoW Token, isn’t it? This would obviously not apply to someone who is jumping in on week 26, let’s say, to prevent someone from swapping and quickly maxing professions to follow gearing trends, but would make things a little less punishing for missing a week or 40. Thanks for all you do, brother 🙌

[@XrystalBelle]

I personally found professions in Dragonflight my worst experience. In fact, apart from the one or few profession specific quests I never got to craft anything nor trade as I maxed out before reaching the last zone where everything seemed to be. I rarely played shadowlands so not sure if the process was the same there. But… in all previous expansions I progressed my professions during the levelling process. I found this impossible to do in Dragonflight as I never found any crafting tables in the zones I was levelling through or accessible via flight path. I used to gather and craft and sell throughout my levelling so that not only was I max level when I finished but my professions were at a reasonable level too. I hope the next expansions work on this some more so that.

[@justinfulton1056]

In my opinion, I believe the system is a 7/10. As far as a catch up system, make the artisans mettle account wide (currently sitting on 9k on my main), also add in an option to trade in some mettle for knowledge points.

[@BlindseerJB]

Would be nice if crafters could make some sort of ensemble kit that would let them take, lets say all the pieces of the turtle scale set and turn them into a cosmetic ensemble they could sell on the AH. maybe even allow them to gather greens and if they get all the pieces, craft it into a cosmetic ensemble as well.

[@ectogamut]

I started just ignoring crafting once it became it’s own complex system and will continue to do so unless they go back to how it was before DF

[@ScytheNoire]

Player coming back to WoW after 5 years away: He said words I know, but I don't understand what he's saying. Crafting sounds complicated now.

[@TheAkashachi]

To me personally, I would rather the whole "quality" levels system to just be gone. It just feels bad to not get a max rank item and it created a resource bloat where you had all those different quality levels on materials you needed to worry about. Just focus on crests for recrafting and focus specializations on saving resources or creating additional items instead of quality based progression.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

I hear ya, but that doesn't seem to be part of the conversation - removing quality is tantamount to going back to a pre DF system and so far that's not the direction they're going

[@watchonjar]

@@SoulSoBreezy and thats the problem DF crafting burned so many people. They need to not do another covenant and just accept when thier ideas dont work. All we ever really aksed for was relevant crafted gear. The trees, crafting orders, the new attributes; all these did was concentrate gold in the hands of afew players and make crafting frustrating for everyone else.

[@DevesTechnet]

Yep, I dont use the system because I am not guaranteed to get what I paid for. When I ask for a specific item, I want that item specifically.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

You can always ask for a guarantee, it's a question of whether the crafter is willing to do it and for what extra price if any.

[@DevesTechnet]

Yeah, I will hold my breath on the honesty factor in wow. Really? This is the entire problem Soul. I KNOW you see it. Everyone else does.@@SoulSoBreezy

[@Azazel-zv4fy]

Just started playing again a week before 10.2 after finishing at the end of BFA. As a player who has had resonable level tradeskills int he past - not bleeding edge, but good enough to make gear for my own and friends characters and sell a bit of stuff on the AH, I look at the current tradeskill AND crafting orders system and just say "fuck it" - too busy, too complicated, too far behind. I don't want to spend hours researching any of this out of game, when I'd rather spend my limited spare time when I'm not at work or doing stuff with family etc actually playing.

[@kje912]

I would like to see a section on the crafting orders where you can advertise things you are able to make, particularly if they are very resource intensive. This would matter more if older expansions get included. For instance, I tried selling some of the MoP JC mounts on the AH but never got a buyer. In the current expansion its similar with the toys and pets. If people don't know something is available they won't request it crafted.

[@watchonjar]

you mean like an ah

[@Vomgnar.]

Returning player here. I couldn't even figure out how to make spiced bread. The level 1 stuff, that should be easy. I'm not googling how to make spiced bread..

[@SentimentalApe]

Hey man, that's awesome that your voice is being heard to any extent, congratulations. I don't have any input into professions because I just got back into the game, but thank you for advocating for the players. EDIT: I will say, Blizzard should figure out how to get what players need in the UI rather than relying players to download addons because that is a barrier to access.

[@autumnleaf2263]

I agree on the clearer in game tool tips. I didn't understand what I was specing into and ended up regretting it once I knew what I was targeting.

[@cam2designs]

I hit a brick wall with professions in Dragonflight. You should be able to learn new recipes at least every 10 levels from a trainer. Grinding rep for recipes or having them drop in dungeons only is severely limiting for the casual player. It takes ridiculous materials to make gear that can't even match what I've gotten from other sources. I used to love crafting back in Cataclysm and Pandaria. Now it seems pretty useless.

[@avan5352]

I didn’t like professions this time around. This is the first time I gave up on it.

[@WeaselDancingTime]

NPC work orders for crafting with skillups as rewards is the best fix.

[@bethannduprey5245]

Thanks for sharing Ridge with us! I am hoping to get some for Christmas gifts. It is good to hear developers may listen to your input! I always enjoy your take on all thingss WoW.

[@litebkt]

I leveled up all of the professions and never could get personal work orders. I used trade chat, talked them up with my friends and guild. Not a single one except from my alts. We need some way to advertise like a bulletin board or something. It would also be nice to have crafting tables in more than one location.

[@kalyshajohnson7589]

Your alts can send you personal work orders for the weekly

[@christopherrobin4619]

Older alchemy and vanilla crafting recipes build on each other. that lvl 5 shirt or boots or potion should be an reagent for the next tier level craft. ie a lvl 5 health potion should require a lvl 4 health potion to craft.. so newer crafts need materials crafted at lower levels keeping those items relevant rather than just making them vendor trash. thoughts?

[@reddenedone7270]

Work orders for legacy items. A rule to provide a certain percentage of the mats or the cost of the mats. A link to the AH within the order screen so you can instantly buy the mats required.

[@julianabson7870]

I play on a smaller EU server without any public works orders, but used to sell tons on the AH in previous expansions. I dont understand the advantage of work orders over AH and don't see artificial NPC orders as a legitimate fix.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

I'd argue that the advantage is the value of that piece of gear is preserved without wasting resources. I think of Shadowlands and earlier expansions - people making tons of gear that'd oversaturate the market. Prices would go down, resources felt wasted.

[@boomhauer09]

I like the "brute force" idea to quality, but I feel like that could be put on the requester to help with that, too. What if: in order to request 5 star quality, you have to offer highest quality materials. Don't have the highest quality? Then have the ability to put in the extra material to make up for it. Is that a fair ask? How can this be exploited?

[@SoulSoBreezy]

I think it'd be an unnecessary step for the client. If I'm trying to save on gold I'd put up a public order with as low a tip I can get away with and count on a high level crafter to take care of it for me. Brute force is mostly a mechanic for the crafter. "I REALLY want to pick up work and am willing to take up this order," which is what brute force allows. So no exploit; I just don't see clients caring about it on their end.

[@LazloArcadia]

My biggest issue with the way the crafting system works in wow is it is a completely new mechanic with each expansion, and is not consistent across all content.

[@orange-micro-fiber9740]

It's hard to determine what's profitable without addons. I think that's a huge flaw for the game.

[@know_Name]

the real problem is what do i do with my extra profession skill point thingys... like wtf HALP

[@oktobershawn]

I am maxed out in tailoring, and have 126 extra knowledge points.

[@lightningx_X]

one thing that currently is missing in the crafting system, is that if you are building something more complex, you can't enter the recepy of your individual parts (if your profession can craft them). You need to go search for the recepy for that item, etc. If you could enter that one item, then exit it, returning you to your main recepy, well that would be a great improvment ;)

[@James-kv3ll]

As soon as I had the desire to respec my points (that are time gated) and I couldn’t, I just gave up on professions entirely. It’s so dumb.

[@williamcolgin1987]

Blizzard needs to make a crafters skill panel much more transparent for clients. Clients should be able to verify a crafter's skill level, specialization trees, inspiration percentage on specific items, etc...

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Not opposed, but what for? Shouldn't it be enough to know you can make a quality request?

[@watchonjar]

@@SoulSoBreezy but alot of items cannot be max rank crafted even with max rank mats and maxed out specs.

[@williamcolgin1987]

@@SoulSoBreezy Currently a crafter can just lie about his crafting ability if they want. Clients currently have to just go on faith that a crafter actually has that 43% inspiration and can even hit rank 5. They just cross their fingers and hope they wont have to get 10+ recrafts to get that max rank item. The way the tables work currently for high level crafts, you can't set a work order to rank 5 so the verification of skill is already voided.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Sure you can, you just might be asked to pay extra for the crafter to use an insight, and if they refuse, move on. No foul play at work.

[@mabonhunts]

In my opinion, the option to max everything out should be there for EVERYONE if they want it.. Having to rely on other players in order for you to skill up is crazy, if I want to level a profession to help out my army of alts then I should have the option the max everything out to benefit myself. I don't do profession to make money or help out random people on the server I want then to be for ME so I can get ahead. I want to be able to do it all myself without having to rely on other people, and that option isn't there right now. To be clear professions should first and foremost benefit they player that has the profession and being able to sell stuff should be secondary. So that if I want to level up Leatherworking so I can make gear for my Hunter and I could care less about selling stuff I should be able to do that. As it stands right now you can't even reach max level on your professions without help from other players, to me that is just wrong. Random people in wow are not your friends and they're in the profession game for themselves NOT to help anyone out, and I found ALOT of them can be very toxic. So we need to make professions soloable.

[@chadjohnson8527]

Are they even worth doing this late in df if they are going to be replaced in11.0?

[@banjiroxtr3237]

I don't usually comment but I wanted to be a part of this conversation, I play casually, and gave always tried to get into crafting, but was never able to bcuz it was either super degen goblin mode, or simply not worth it bcuz every patch crafted gear was way behind i could get even from m0 for cheaper, until DF came! Aand the spec system was based on knowing which random unconnected nodes helped you craft each piece of gear, so i tapped out once again! Until this patch, were i managed enough random points to craft in my hunter a Bow of the Dragon Hunter rank 5, with embellishment, and thd stats i wanted, AND I FEEL SO HAPPY I did it starting the patch, so that will help me farm for quite a while, i wish it was clearer, so i wouldnt be so behind in knowledge points for giving up, requiring 2 sparks for it was ass tho, and needing sparks to craft anything not only means you wont get full crafted gear soon, is this really necessary? Maybe only require it for heroic/mythic raid ilvl? Or having only gear that go in tier pieces slots require them so you can go with crafted wrist, waist, feet, etc. Also, no, the treasures we had in 10.1 and 10.2 with knowledge werent catch up points, they were pity points, nobody caught up with 10 extra points, that's like, a week and a half late into 10.0.

[@ayasemisaki8309]

a change i wanna see to professions is that we begin using old content mats for creating new expancion items. such as maybe ghost iron ore or copper ore. like 1-5 ores from old expancions to give that extra BAM to the gear. old mats dont have to be forgotten :)

[@FreedumbHS]

First thing they need to address is the Eve Online problem of people starting later with gathering professions just not being able to catch up in profession knowledge even in principle, due to hard weekly caps. In DF this was particularly egregious since they only put the caps in when some no life people already had a huge lead in knowledge. I cannot even imagine how much bank those gatherers made compared to people who started literally only one week later but 50 knowledge behind (forever) already

[@jace9763]

Okay Soul - you asked for walls of text - so incoming!!! I utilized professions more in this expansion than any going back to Wrath when my hunter chose Engineering to create their own weapons and ammo. I felt like Blizz made a lot of progress in letting us make gear which was useful at the time we could make it, and the ability to recraft to improve it later felt great. I no longer felt like all my efforts to get better at crafting were ultimately wasted until I could craft the "best of the best" - and even then, hope I still needed it. Disclaimer - I didn't really have much more than a passing interest in work orders - largely due to the lack of available public orders on my server - so I don't really have a dog in that race. I mainly use it so my alts can place orders with each other for the extra knowledge points. What I have been wanting for a while is crafter specific items which cannot be gotten anywhere else. These clearly can't be power based for reasons covered in a number of other places - so that leaves transmog appearances. I would like to see each crafting profession be given items which are unique to the profession and only affect appearance customization. Transmog hunting is the activity which adds more life to the game for me than any other activity post-story content. You can even tie some of this to the current raid and dungeon dynamic by following the current trend of having these recipes drop from several sources including world content, raids, dungeons, etc. 1. Armor crafters could create entire sets of transmog outfits (one piece at a time versus crafting the entire ensemble - that way you can target specific pieces if you're not interested in the whole outfit). 2. Weapon crafters get much of the same with unique weapon model transmogs. 3. Enchanters could continue to craft new, unique visual effects like weapon enchants, shoulder and head effects. Make many glowy parts for armor, weapons and even mount effects! 4. Inscription is a bit of a head scratcher for me as it's the profession I've engaged the least with. However, creating patterns or instructions which are used to apply unique markings to gear or mounts, or alter the dyeable color scheme of gear are a few ideas. 5. Alchemy is a no brainer to introduce a dye system to gear. They create the dyes that can alter basic color schemes of gear and mounts. Combine dyes with special patterns/instructions from Inscription to get even more intricate or custom options. 6. Engineering can definitely lean into creating mount appearances and customizations. Perhaps go as far as creating a "socket" system for mounts so that mount attachments can be added. 7. Jewelcrafting can follow suit with others and create unique gear appearances or mount customizations of a more "blingy" nature. Adding crystal effects or gems to mounts, or a specific set of armor neutral appearances which are more blingy in nature would be a cool way to go too. All of these creations should be easily sellable/tradeable to maximize the economic benefit for the crafters. Just some ideas of where the whole unique, customized transmog for crafters approach could go. I'm sure some of this might take a bit of effort, but we've already seen leaks of the upcoming mount customizations from delves, so this may not be as far off as it seems.

[@jreliford34]

I can't really say I'm a returning player because I genuinely try this every year, with every expansion but there comes a point when I lose all interest, but I would say currently there is only one profession in WoW; farmer. I originally created my first alt so I could craft items for my main way back in vanilla. As time progressed, it was nice having multiple alts on which you could level professions without having to spend too much time away from your main. Now to level any profession to even be remotely useful or profitable, you've got to take that character through multiple faction rep grinds and raid level content and I don't know if Blizzard knows this but, not everyone raids anymore. I haven't raided since Cata when my guild dissolved due to deployments, divorces, and faction changes. I did get enjoyment out of being a supplier for raiding guilds. With all my alts crafting I made plenty of gold simply selling items and mats and found a way to enjoy the game again. I had high hopes for this expansions focus on professions. It seems like the ideas are there but the execution is hanging out with Raid: Shadow Legend. Why are the auction house and Artisan's Consortium two different entities? Why can't we place orders on the auction house and omg why can't crafter's post BOP orders? Why are there recipes learnable through rep vendors with mats locked behind raid currency? Years ago I distinctly remember pushback on changes being made with the reasons being they didn't want to make the game harder for many to appease a few. I think I used to be a part of the many and didn't realize it. Because right now, I'm wholely aware I'm part of the few; the few still trying to find fun in this game but am not having much luck. Raid gear is for raid content and should be hard to get. I get that and I've preached that. But my professions?? If I can be honest and blunt for a second; I'm spending money as we speak to move all of my character away from my server group because the level of toxic reached a max YEARS ago. So maybe one day I will raid again. But I should at least be able to keep my characters professions up without having to raid.

[@carlton1979]

For public orders, on my server, it is more or less 90% scams on crafting market. You can either force providing all components, or you can force a minimum price to buy on market. For example, when you place an order on crafting market, artisan's consortium buy resources for the market price + commission. if the order is cancelled or not fulfilled consortium sell back the reserved resources. The other option is to established a global market to mitigate the scamming. Easier said than done.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Not so certain making additions like adding the market cost of missing items to be effective. We see what we see because frankly, those players are trying to scam others. Forcing clients to provide all the resources is simply easier and functionally is the same thing but with a few more steps. I get that there's a certain convenience in say, allowing one to quick buy all the components they need from the AH while in the Crafting Order menu. I think there's a discussion to be had on that front. Personally I feel that there's a small preservation of roleplay to go to the AH yourself, fetch the items and retain that "feel" of placing your purchased items into a crafting order.

[@JamesEtallaz]

Great video. As a crafter that quit WoW after being burned by the insane costs of leveling up legendries in SL, I'm trying to get back into DF professions but it's still overly complicated and not worth it IMO. Casual players can more easily just turn in some crests and upgrade gear they already have. Maybe the middle ground would be to make crests a REQUIRED ingredient in crafted items , rather than relying on an NPC to simply trade in crests for gear (which to me has always sounded lame, and a cop-out system). Make crests an ingredient required to craft gear and make crafting great again.

[@watchonjar]

Honestly dont bother the DF system is them doubling down on the most annoying and unclear parts of that system.

[@JamesEtallaz]

@@watchonjar it's a shame that there are ranks in crafted gear. I much prefered the vanilla way, where you simply needed a certain amount of skill to craft a specific item. It felt much clearer and made more sense.

[@JakeSezz]

5:19 The catchup pain is real. I didn’t play heavily for like 6 months and don’t even wanna attempt to catch up now. It’s kind of a bummer, as I enjoyed it at launch.

[@clogs4956]

Being a member of a tiny guild, all I’ve been making are xmogs, weekly items for crafting points, and the occasional high-level kit for my VDH and Bear. The RNG/M+ receipt drops are also really off-putting for a filthy casual. I’m not even going to start on what I think about public work orders… SLs was the only time I maxed all professions with my alts and made legendaries they could use before the end.

[@DarkScreamGames]

1) More work orders. I don't love the idea of NPC work orders, I think giving players more reasons to order from each other is better. If there must be NPC orders, tie them to real effects in the zone, world events etc, Where crafting the thing maybe buffs the guards or helps with some meta-objective to trigger a rare spawn. 2) Keep item ranks for mats, and equipment. Make progressing thru the ranks take LONGER. Ditch item ranks for consumables though, better mats can just give bonus multicraft or some such. 3) Continue knowledge/skill progression through the expansion. I was done progressing in 10.1, 10.2 adds only recipe drops, it feels like the system died. 4) Catch up system is not needed, Just better guide players to one-time knowledge boosters, Do more with the "special trainer" concept, add one shot quests, etc. DF was missing that bit from Legion and older where professions felt like part of the story too. 5) Catalyst via crafter. I'd like to see the catalyst object go away, and for tier conversions to be done via crafting order, at whatever the catalyst charge rate would normally be. 6) New gathering profession, logging. Writhebark is basically being used as wood in recipes already. I think it would just help to spread out the gathering game a bit more, and later they can add a carpentry type crafting profession when they're ready for player housing :)

[@CrabCrow]

I really just found the whole system confusing and obtuse. Never thought I'd be too casual for crafting but here we are lol

[@FreedumbHS]

I agree, it needs to be simpler, not even more complicated. The biggest issue is that some of the intricacies of it are literally impossible to glean from any explanation available in the game. You need addons (whose authors also just had to experiment to find out what the hell is going on) to find out how you're gonna be able to get that craft at the desired quality. Imo they need to drastically simplify the quality thing

[@benderWestlund]

Get rid of rank system entirely and reduce number of different materials AND rank system of materials

[@jamesbibb5193]

- One of the pain points for me is when you're ordering a piece you need to have the mats. I don't know what the mats are... It would be good if the crafting system was attached to the auction house so I can hit "buy mats" or something similar. Alternatively it could give you a small shopping list item or something and you take it to the auction house to achieve a similar experience - There also needs to be catch up mechanics for specializations. - There needs to be more information presented to the user.. I want to make a R3 Draconic Vial.. I can't... what is the best course of action? All it would take is a small tooltip or information panel. - You should be able to get the max rank item via a public order without relying on inspiration. The current iteration of public orders may as well not exist outside of none ranked items. You can keep the as-is solution but a crafter should be required to have the requisite skill / inspiration level before they can accept an order. This creates a sense of "fomo" for those who don't have the requisite skill and motivates them to engage with the game whilst also bolstering public order use. - You should be able to create a contact list at the crafting order interface - any public crafter I use is lost to space and time unless I add them to battle net etc. Make this easier by having a tab "favoured crafters". - Create an advert tab on the crafting order interface. Spamming in chat is archaic, make a pretty tile interface similar to the guild recruitment interface - players can click onto the tile and interface with that crafters skill set AND possibly add them to their favored crafters list. - Building on above, you could *maybe* create a incentive to use favored crafters - none power level impacting, maybe reduce mats as you repeat custom.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Tip: on your first point, you can track recipes (even from crafting orders) and they'll show up like a shopping list on your quest tab.

[@jamesbibb5193]

@@SoulSoBreezy I didn't know this, thank you. This should be more obvious I think!

[@reyhster]

From a crafters/gold makers perspective, the current system is WAY too grindy. If you go all the way on one character to get a good amount of skillpoints and recipes, you've used months to get everything. And now imagine you want to try play an alt, and also want to catch up your crafting on that character. Now you have to use months to get everything set up. Is it doable? Yes. Is it fun? No. Or, atleast not for me. I was pretty excited for this new crafting system, and put alot of time into setting it up, but now I'm burned out. Just the thought of getting my crafters up to speed dreads me. Also, the regionwide auction house thing has also made things worse where you have to camp the AH way more than before to get things sold. And on the other side as a buyer, you have to spam click just to buy something. And from a raiders/M+'ers perspective, I do find it nice to fill out gear slots that I am missing. Although, the system is kinda hard to understand if you just want to craft gear for yourself and/or friends/guildies. And I would assume non crafters find it very confusing with the reagent ranks, and their value, based on the amount they are tipping (not including scammers and cheapskates). So all in all, I went from using the crafting system and AH alot, to now just barely doing anything.

[@kingdomheartsguy44]

I'm hoping they add more fun stuff. Engineering doesn't feel good without ceaftavle mounts and robots, like blingtron

[@chadjohnson8527]

I wish engineer could make accessory for mount to replace need of yak having repair tmog kits they make to put on any mount

[@mattmarinovich5143]

Crafting orders will likely go down this season because of the 250 flight stones requirement to combine the new sparks.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

I'm confident most players will be able to put together 250 flightstones every two weeks

[@stevedoktor1766]

On the surface region wide crafting orders sounds good, but I could see it just compounding the problem. If it could ensure balance between many crafter servers with many work order servers it would be a home run. Without that though, you risk just raising the numbers. 100 crafters trying to fill 10 work orders is the same as 1000 crafters trying to fill 100 orders.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Some professions would likely suffer through that while others like JC probably wouldn't

[@stevedoktor1766]

@@SoulSoBreezy yeah it’s a shame there isn’t a way to create a level playing field across the board. My prot pally has had so much trouble with the current system that his smithing STILL isn’t capped.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

A shame, the refined ore market is extremely good at the moment

[@YumYum820]

The system worked for me, if I could ask for something new its to have a board where crafter can post their professions to and potential customers can look up what they want and order it accordingly, that way neither has to spam trade chat Also use the overabundance of knowledge points into fuel a "discovery inspiration" where you're able to get those hard to find recipes

[@autumnleaf2263]

I just want crafting to have more cosmetic stuff not tied to player power. It gives me things to target all expansion long instead of just this patch.

[@highpriestessmoon]

I like where they were headed with professions, but I think they could be done better. Since they are going in the direction of account wide things I think they should allow us to be able to know all professions on one character (maybe just account wide professions). I hated that I wanted to be a gatherer on my main, but had to do the renown to get the recipes on my priest to do alchemy and jewelcrafting. I would then love if they made it so professions dont reset completely each expansion. I would like if we had to use old gather materials in the new recipes too. Then that would make older items relevant again, and maybe give new players a reason to even want to do professions in old expansions while they level. Bonus if they added player housing, and made a construction profession.

[@kimdeuel]

I only learn crafting recipes for transmog and use on my alts. The current system just feels weird to me for personal use because it takes so long to grind out the points on each crafter to make cool looking things. Because of that, only my main has a profession fleshed out. I hope it will get better with the warband bank. Hopefully then I can at least put reagents and finishing resources that I create myself through professions into my warband bank so I can just add them directly to the recipe as needed.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I like engineering for its utilitarian use of explosives, it's interdimensional travel things for each expansion and places like Tanaris and area 52 ECT. I like the gliders and blingatron who can give instant money to new players who just click and use it to jumpstart them if they are new to the game. Furthermore, I don't want more cosmetics, I want more useful or interesting items that do things not just look pretty. Like the black market AU radio or perhaps an Auction NPC that can be used anywhere named "Transaction Auction Regional Dimensional Integrated Seller"

[@benderWestlund]

Have yet to see one public order…. Professional influencers and folks who can who play all day got them….. how about getting rid of orders all together? We could just get on auction house and buy and if the cost too high, we could go to trade chat, now a crafter has to sit and spam trade chat to try and get customers instead of just putting stuff on AH… how is this fun? I used to have an alt army to cover all professions, now the time sync is so great, I have yet to max out my LW…

[@nighteed02]

I think you have some good ideas here. My issue with the current system is so daunting that it discouraged a part of the game I used to enjoy. I liked being able to place bulk orders and "brute forcing" a high level in my desired profession. I would say I liked the WOD system where you could craft components to learn the recipes you wanted daily. The current systems I don't fully "get." They seem more weekly and sporadic. Maybe I would be ok if you could learn at least two new high tier recipes a week.

[@benderWestlund]

Get rid of three rank system to advance my crafting knowledge, why force me to craft more of one item of things NO ONE wants

[@zephy64]

On the subject on not providing all the material for a Work Order. In my server the population is so small there are never any work orders available. To be able to complete my weekly quest I need to have my alts generate work orders. To make sure no one else bothers with them I don't provide materials or much gold. The problem isn't people who provide 0 materials and no gold value we all know to ignore that. The issue is people who provide no materials and some gold value. It makes it look like a legitimate order until you realize the want something that is 5k in materials for 1k which you might not know without add-ons to evaluate the value of the materials for the item.

[@rdsturgill83]

I think they need a button to unlearn the talents for professions much like how they got it for talent points that away if anyone makes mistakes they can unlearn it unsure if they have it now or not I haven’t fully used professions yet

[@Evertell]

I just want to be able to grind professions again. Make knowledge points more accessible or farmable for those that have excess time. 3-6 points for a weekly quest should be closer to 10-20 per week with an increase in requirement or change it to a 3 point daily quest. World knowledge quests would also be a nice bonus to crafters in addition to gear we no longer need or rep we no longer want. Also remove consumables from the AH and make them work orders only. That would be a good way to get people to use the system that just seems barren currently. UI improvements or recommendations on how to max craft an item would be nice as well. Also increase the cap on crafting to above 2 professions. One thing FFXIV does in spades is allow you to craft and gather everything on one character if you put in the time to grind it out. Wow should really catch up to a system like that.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

I remember I wanted to be a carpenter, and ended up being looped into every gathering/crafting profession to make that happen and in the end I loathed the experience cause I was investing so much time into jobs and job quests I didn't care about at all.

[@Evertell]

I get that if you don't care about the other professions. But your talking to an omnicrafter that is lv 90 in everything in FFXIV. I found it frustrating but thrilling to be able to gather and craft anything I want on one character. But I know its not for everybody.@@SoulSoBreezy

[@Radcliff-1026]

There really needs to be a way to make money with your professions for those of us that don't want to compete with the 'pvp' nature of the auction house and crafting orders. A better npc market that will just buy your wears, a board were we can just fill orders for npcs for gold, or a market that buys our stuff for a percentage of what it goes for on the ah. Just something that doesn't feel like pvp for making money. Would also really love to see the old world skills get the dragonflight treatment as well as cooking and fishing.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

The "NPC" market is already sort of a thing with the weekly quests that rotate requirements. The devs also talked up ideas like fake NPC work orders appearing at your profession table. IMO I'd be loathe to see professions lean too far into "PvE" territory, I'd forsee a weird disruption of the market where a significant amount of materials is gathered, processed and ultimately turned into vapor because it's being consumed by NPCs and not used by players.

[@timgersh6787]

Maybe ok public rank orders but its like if rank goal is filled you get this extra tip

[@foxinfreefall]

I think when people talk about profession catch-up, they're talking more about skill points than knowledge. Because knowledge is easy to come by, but after a certain point, skill is not. Legion, BFA and Shadowlands all (eventually) gave us profession WQs that allowed players to catch up and eventually max out their skill. At the moment, the only "catch up" mechanic like this for Dragonflight is the Darkmoon Faire - which only awards 1 point once a month.

[@Drager00]

The barking/trade chat needs massive improvement due in part to non-crafters not understanding at all about what crafters can and cant do. Yes on clarity, I understand that all the elements of craftsim can't be implemented in the default UI but some elements need implementing. The work order system is a massive mess even being on a massive server, it still feels bad. An easy catch up would have been the weekly dirt KP being a total cap that increases week by week rather than being something you just fully lose if you didn't do it every single week. A catch up system that requires the player to put in some playtime is imo the way to go rather than the one time pick ups at start of a new patch.

[@ChangesOfTomorrow]

My wish is for an easy way to figure out where to put points to reach quality 5 in certain recipes. All these guides and add-ons, yet I still don’t get the results I wanted

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

They need to make all the weekly profession knowledge far faster to get (at least the gathering ones... missing out on points because RNG requires you to loot 100 herbs on all your alts sucks). They should also make the Dragon Shard of Knowledge items more common, or let us buy KP at an increasing price of Artisan's Mettle. First point is 5 mettle, and every mettle from that point is 5 mettle higher. That'd mean 10 points is 275 mettle, 20 is 1050 mettle, etc. Realistically you'd only really be able to buy 30 KP this way, and it'd be damn expensive by that point, but it'd help over the course of the expansion with the relative rarity of KP.

[@harkenrebirth]

I would agree on the region wide work order thing. A couple of weeks ago, before the 10.2 patch. A friend was trying to make one of those Drake token things to make a higher ilv wepon. But. I couldnt help him. Even when he had me on real id. Because he playes on another server. As alliance. I play on horde. So that is something they would need to look into. Personal work orders should be cross realm.. and cross faction. --Another thing is that they would need to make sure that there is an option in the game itself. That you can hide work orders that ask for YOU to supply materials. Or that blizzard has their own special gold calculation thing to grade the price of an item that is being crafted. As some of these people tend to ask for basicly free items. Oh. I want this item made. Here 50 g tip... But the mats cost 4-5k gold. Fuck that shit. An option to hide work orders that expect YOU to supply the mats. Like the addon."No mats, no make". --THen we also have to take into consideration the amount of workd order charges we have. That is something that was a massive mistake on blizzards side to take it from 12 max.. per day.. i think. To 4.. max. Like. Seriously. Are you not wanting people to do work orders? I was making some gold from work orders before that change. Because i was making those 1 knowledge point items from Inscription. Then just.. 4... like realy? 4.. Killing the gold making market. Since now you cant just go in and do as many as you can. --But they should also do something to combat the crafters spamming the chat with stuff. Instead of having people use the crafting table to find them. And also let people decide what ... um.. Rank that item is going to be. BY also making the higher rank cost more to make. As in Bigger tip. Maybe lets say ... Blacksmithing a rank 1 item has a mandatory 1000 tip depending on the item that is being made. Making it range from 1000 to maybe 5000. For rank 1. And then rank 2 is 2000-10000. Because some of the prices are just.. idiotic. 100g for and enchant. or potion, flask and so on. They are paying for the service. Because they themselves dont want to waste time with it. --But... There is 1 major complaint i have with gathering proffessions. Herbalism especialy. The wholle Seed thing. I have right now 50 of some seed. But the problem is that you dont find those dirt piles or whatever they are called to plant them. Not the seeds from the Emerald dream. But the ones you get when you gather herbs. There is no way in lets say Valdraken. Where you can just plant them. And get the materials. I literally spent today 40 minutes. Gathering herbs. Every herb node i came across. I got 4 seeds.. But i didnt find even ONE plot where i can plant them and get the mats from them. Even fi they add a daily cd pot in the capital where you plant a seed and then get the thing after a couple of hours. That would work as well. At least having some use for them. otherwise they just ... take up space. --Another use for the Artisan mettle would also be nice. Like ... Allowing you to purchase knowledge up to half of your highest knowledge character. So it doesnt become. Oh. Your main has 150 knowledge points. And you can buy points up to 150... 75 as a catch up would be best idea. And it would also let your main buy them and send to alts. OR... A token that lets you get double the points like we have wtih the Renown thing. Geting double. Or tripple points up to a certain treshhold. So you can quickly get up to that specificl level of crafting and gathering.

[@Jtrinidad-q2w]

Racial profession In this expansion they are way to powerful, a goblin alchemist make gold more easy that any other race with alchemy. So will be better if they take down all racial with +2 or +5, insted make some changes. One option will be (a goblin for example) if you're a goblin and have alchemy, you can pick up an old book next to the trainer (one time) that give you +10 points to your alchemy (you have it in 35/75 will be then 45/75) for old content and give you 5 knoledge power for the current expansion. Or you can have a one time quest per character that allows you to choose your racial profession (you can only change race to receive the quest again). Knowledge points There is only one pick up treasure per zone. But archeology can loot 2 or 4 items BoE that need one especific profression to start a quest (simple quest, like go there and look behind a rock) and gives you 1 up to 5 knowledge points. That gives a more slow start to profession but gives you more chance to catch up if you started late, and archeologist can make gold. Recipes Lets take a profession wich max level is 100. Trainers can give you recipes to level 1 to 40, archeology can loot BoE recipes to level 40 to 60 (common recipes), 60 to 80 (rare recipes) and 80 to 100 (epic recipes), raids can drop a recipe for 90 to 100, and pvp can sell you BoE recipes for 60 to 100. Renow can give you recipes for 60 to 80. Fishing can loot BoE recipes but more for cooking. With this you can make archeology to have a chance to be useful and fishing too. Work orders The base cost to publish is the same 50, and always last 5 days. If you don't have all materials don´t worry, just select wich materials you would like for you order to be make, put your tip for the order and post it. The work order will take the base cost, your tip and the cost for the materials in the current cost of the auction house (will be like an instant sale from the AH, with no need to go to the mail box). In this way you don't need to carry all materials, just have the gold for it, and all work orders will have all materials to work out.

[@kelvinmartins]

I've been messing with professions since i came back to the game back in Legion and was really excited with the update DF brought... but the lack of clarity and super rare recipe drops really pushed me away from it. And the trading chat (either spam for sales or to buy) isn't for me also. I really wish i could just put a work order and get my rank 5, but i can only get rank 4 if i'm really lucky. Also, i really liked the skill rank recipes (and gathering) we got in BfA and Legion. Wish we could get it back, at least for gathering. Not a fan of the quality of ores, herbs and leathers/scales

[@shrift4902]

Make weekly repeatable if you missed it previous week. I think this should be for every other weekly

[@patrickelmasian1079]

What if SOME of DF perks followed ur character and alts? I personally would love to not have to re-farm the same skills in the next expansion , for instance mounted gathering and faster gathering speed. I've also suggested that alts with the same professions should either share some skill-ups or level their gathering points faster. Maybe the new feature of warbands will address this I hope!

[@marksr1907]

The profession point thing is soooo baaad. You don't have the points or "skills" you need until the item you wanted to make is obsolete. A totally failed profession system in dragonflight. Someone has used work orders? ROFL. Certainly finding someone in chat works but work orders? Total Fail because of the point system and ranking requiring max points to make best quality.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Takes some understanding but you definitely didn't need max points thanks to inspiration playing a big role early on

[@GeorgeNoX]

If i ware to start my professions just now, it would take me such a long time to even get to a somewhat decent level. It takes so much time to get all those nodes filled up, even if you focus on the most important ones first. And there really is no notable catch up which honestly sucks to even trying to get into professions late in the expansion

[@adjacent-smith]

Im curious if anyone deep enough into the game to understand any of this finds crafted items useful? Also why can't items just be crafted and sold on ah and buyers just slot in the boe portions of the item?

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Short answer is economic collapse. Imagine if there was no made-to-order system with crafting orders and everyone was able to post their crafted gear on the AH. We'd see SL levels of saturation and a quick race to the bottom with crafted gear. It'd be great for clients who would enjoy high level epics for at best a thousand or so gold. But I imagine many crafters would feel like they did in SL - lots of effort only to post gear at a fraction of the cost.

[@sgstuff-q8e]

@@SoulSoBreezy I don't agree with this take as this is (broadly speaking) how posting crafts on the AH worked for the last 15 or so years and it worked decently until SL tried to shake things up. Personally I would prefer what OP suggests with the only tweak being they can keep the mat requirements as they are. The change would be the buyer must have the soulbound items in order to buy - then when they collect the item from the mailbox those soulbound items disappear from their bag. I would much prefer this to barking for business and spending my game time hanging around Valdrakken. I understand Blizz wanting to encourage player interactions but I don't want to be forced in to it. Just let me post my crafts and then go off and adventure in the world! Or browse the AH at my own pace to see what I might like to buy. Who knows, I might come across something that is a decent upgrade even if not BiS, for a decent price worth considering. Right now I have to know exactly what I want so I am not wasting the sellers time and then, because I want to keep my engagement to a minimum, you know I am only making contact for a BiS craft. The new system has completely put me off using professions for goldmaking. Like another post said, I also used to enjoy maxing out everything across chars and now I have only one thing maxed out on my main and that was more to pass the time rather than intentionally working for it. Sad.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Going off the experiences from my server, I'd find myself regularly posting and reposting my wares hoping they'd sell. I'd be buying or farming materials hoping they'd be worth whatever I'd eventually post my items for. The competition would be tough because I'd also be limited to only a few items my profession could sell because the epic recipe was restricted to the crafter themselves. SL for example was a rollercoaster of disasters and repost wars as I tried to sell base legendary base pieces at either ridiculous prices or under the vendor material cost. I didn't like having to spend so much time reposting auctions. Gear on the AH is an upfront investment for me as the crafter and that's quite a bit of risk with no guarantee. Cut to DF, I get that I have to be present in the capital to make sure I'm selling things but 1 - I'm making to order and the client is providing mats, so there's zero risk, no cost or burden to me. 2 - at a glance I can tell if there's traffic in trade chat whereas before I was just posting and reposting to the void. And having something made has been FAR cheaper than in previous expansions cause with a click the game tells me exactly what I need to get, I get it and offer what I think is a reasonable tip, not the other way around. My time spent in town is profitable, where at worst I'm reposting high quality ore to the AH which'll still end up moving pretty quick. I think you and I have different goals in mind. I have multiple alts doing professions but only maxed out one profession off one character. Everyone else is a skill level 60 or so specialist with less than a hundred knowlege points but they're great at making or gathering consumables for certain markets so I can have a profitable alt up and running in less than an hour. Again though, this's my behavior as a player. My alts are just producers and the fun/roleplay of being a crafter is left to my main.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

catchup, catchup, catchup! Professions are good but Catchup is needed greatly, and for there to be instructions on HOW to catchup.

[@revannia]

DF killed all my interest in professions. I used to like maxing all of them but I don't think I even have my main's crafting profession maxed, let alone my alts. I hate the different quality for mats - they take up too much bag space. The interface is too big and clunky. The sorting and filter system sucks - the old version was much better and easier to find things in. The system is overly complicated and just not fun anymore for me. It's like they tried to copy FFXIV's old system (they got rid of high quality materials for a reason) but did a much worse version of it.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

I wonder if for The War Within, they will add a new type of Work Order; A Warband work order? Guild work orders are nice, but a Warband work order would be better for your alts.

[@willythemailboy2]

I hope they go beyond that and *simulate* war band work orders. That is, if I'm on one character and want to craft potions I can just access my alt's professions to make them without logging over to that alt at all. Of course I shouldn't be able to level my professions that way, but accessing already known recipes should absolutely be a thing.

[@Zwow007]

the no mats orders have got to be the most obnoxious thing they have added i legit had to get an addon to have it not show orders with missing mats cus 99% of the time its an order with no mats for like 10 gold. And while I do want catch up for skill points I'd rather have more ways to earn levels in my profession aside from crafting spark gear after a certain point because per week you can get like 9 or a bit more profession points from the quests and like treasures/mob kills. And unless you have an alt army to waste sparks to craft gear it's very difficult to level these professions. Skill point catch up will happen if you are consistent with doing all the skill point activities per week because at some point a lot of crafters once they get to the point they are satisfied with will only do 1 or 2 skill point activity and the gap will close.

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

Hope you do a video on why most rares in DF have failed too, mate

[@jkb2016]

What about knowledge points in TWW crafting? Reset to zero, start distributing time-locked KP from the start? Where's the evergreen in this?

[@frankyisadikted]

Gathering sucks, take skinning for example: if I kill a rare I want his skin to be worth more than a random mob. Mining: if I go to a hostile elite area, the ores should be worth more, same with herbalism. Basically I want a risk/reward curve for gathering. Both chill farming with a movie on the side aswell as a difficult zone to navigate with goodies behind packs of difficult mobs. Will this lock the best resources behind players with higher gear? Suggestion: profession dungeons! Have a heroic dungeon with gathering nodes everywhere and a big loot pinata at the final boss. Have an NPC at the start that can scale the loot and dungeon difficulty with player's proffession skill, but scales your gear so that players that are only interested in professions dont feel held back by hard-core raiders and mythic+ enjoyers.

[@00Fiddlesticks00]

they should steal how proffessions work from Elder Scrolls Online. I hate that there is no reason to lvl old recipes

[@Noridin]

Instead of your brute force option, recrafting should be allowed instead of pumping base resources to boost inspiration.

[@ericstockley]

Can we have Tiered payout system for WOs? It should have 3 to 5 Tiers the highest payout giving the player highest quality. I'm also for a system that gives multiple crafters a chance to make an item and whichever produces the best quality "Wins" the WO payout and the ones who don't "Win" get back their reagents. either system is FBM but both in my mind are fair. It really comes down to execution and difficulty to implement for the Devs. The Tiered system seem the least complex in my mind.

[@progenitor2903]

The spec prof thing is needed bad, but 10 every 7 will be lacking. By the time you realize, oh shit I threw these points into the wrong node/s it might months down the road. So you could have decked out a whole tree just to find that tree sucks and you have 120 points invested in it. It's not an instant oopsie type of thing. Plus, touching on LW and BS if and only if you wanted to be proficient at crafting had to have 2 different toon for each to a weaponsmith and armorsmith, mail worker and leatherworker focused. The point investment to special in both takes you most of the xpac if you wanted to do them. I get the concept of "specializing," but I shouldn't have to have one toon grind out to be an armorsmith and then a different toon grind out weaponsmith.

[@timgersh6787]

The majority of my alts are alch and they all have rank 5 blue gear and the tool, I get a lot of value but I did invest millions in it. Going forward I would like that to matter, if new players feel like its punishing them well fine because the other way I feel like is punishing me for making such a big investment

[@YTLGames]

They can get rid of the rank 1 2 and 3 horse shit. There is no need to over complicat it.

[@isiseungella4688]

No rng. A way to find/advertise crafter's recipes: trade chat works only work if you are playing at the same time AND have time to spare instead of playing (I focused on AH retailing and we need more such recipes vs crafted ones). Lack of work orders. Only orders were scammers: mat cost not covered. No boe recipes locked behind specific content: those interested in a content aren't necessary crafters and vice versa. I don't do pvp but I sell on ah every pvp crafted item. Never used overload. Catch up heavy but only if you are under a certain level or what was the point to spend time on that profession if someone arrives later and maxed out in a day what took you 3 months. More variety in prof weekly quests. Same tree across various prof vs each prof has a totally different way to max out hats. Add former expansion orders even for AH sellable item: ability to order a transmorg made. I used my prof only for what could be sold on AH or for alts. I play odd hours so trade chat is either not an option or my only prime time for group content. I cannot find the right crafter and buyers don't know I have maxed out several crafts. No crafting requiring dungeons or out of the way: let the buyer do the legwork because their 1 silver tip doesn't pay for it. It was far too complex for many (elderly, disabled, casuals, new to game) so most abandoned crafting or never ordered anything as loot is better even for my alts with maxed out profession! Add the ability to make bundles: add a free enchant or sell a full set. This system isn't designed for low servers, casuals, newbies, shift workers. As everything is made more friendly gaming, prof went the opposite way: you need a degree in crafting!

[@Rearnold1987]

I may be in the minority here but.. I hate Dragonflights profession system. It ruined all of them for me. Hated gathering and crafting. If I’m picking up nodes while on my mount close together I run out of vigor pretty quickly Taking off and landing so many times waiting for Vigor. Farm for an hour and eventually I’m just stuck on the ground. I HATE what they did too Racials. Tauren should get faster Herb/mining. Worgen Skinning Etc.. But now it’s dependent on Deftness. I Hate Professions now. Hate the new system. I use it as a basic for some xp while leveling but otherwise I’ve dropped Professions entirely. Dragonflight killed professions for me. I’ll just buy and sell a token if i want gold I guess.

[@Jat8003]

I so agree on your point on "cheap asses" posting orders with little to no mats with a very modest commissions. Seen orders where the missing mats can total 15k and the commission is 500g. All mats should be in the order. Also the Altar of Decay have to go!! Every1 and their mother wants Slimy Expulsion Boots and Toxic Boots

[@willythemailboy2]

My server has orders for 1000g items with a commission of 5g. Dozens of them, mostly listed by the same 4 or 5 characters.

[@orange-micro-fiber9740]

I like gathering. I don't like crafting. I also don't like how slow knowledge is gained.

[@shawnc292]

I think not having all the mattes is fine but just let crafters filter work orders better.

[@MakeshiftMartyr]

I wish they would get rid of the spark system. I want to be able to craft stuff, not wait for even more time gating.

[@nickolasshults4131]

Yes I wish it was explained a little bit more. I just came back and was lost in this.