How Psychiatry Lost its Way | Interview with Robert Whitaker

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[@gilrose12345]

It is not just Psychiatrists, but Nurse Practitioners, Psychiatric nurses, general practitioners, Neurologists, PA's who prescribe 90% of these toxic psychotropic drugs. Social workers and Psychologists sit back and can't comment on the person's destabilization and misery due to these drugs. Selling out for $$$. A patient for life.

[@micuzzu]

100%

[@nicolelambic]

True, but were it not for psychiatry teaching/spreading these mistruths and the disease-model DSM, etc. - these other specialties would not practice in this way, no? ETA: I've also seen plenty of psychologists and social workers and therapists, etc., totally 'bought in' to the medical model of psychiatry, even working alongside psychiatrists, telling their clients things like "therapy will work better if you're seeing the psychiatrist and taking your meds" (this was my own experience w/ a therapist in a mainstream psychiatry practice).

[@mindyjoyfullplay5340]

Well said.

[@gilrose12345]

@@mindyjoyfullplay5340 Forgot to include Nurse Practitioners who in many states dole out scripts like M.D.'s in many states. Also in like 7 states psychologists are allowed to prescribe these toxic drug compounds.

[@Native722]

That is true, they've all been fooled now they are passing down those lies to patients

[@colleenc4621]

“I can’t imagine going to medical school just to be able to prescribe drugs at a rate of 4 individuals per hour.” Definitely sums it up. As a pharmacist I agree with everything he’s saying

[@victoriagrahm3915]

Our medical industry has become a Cartel for sheer profits. It’s disgusting. Obamacare was really to destroy individual doctors and their ability to give true care and healing and put everyone under the “hospital administrators” tying the hands of Docs and mandating profits over care and true health. Docs Nurses Pharmacists etc are now just involuntary drug pushers for this Cartel. And in this psychiatry field case. Absolutely ruining so horribly people’s lives.

[@gilrose12345]

A typical PharmD. knows tons more than any Physician- but they are now just cogs in the system- helpless to say anything to the GODS.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

It's all about their income level now. Doctors used to give you their time. Now it's all about profit, flashy cars, nice homes and good schools for their kids. Rare to find one that actually "cares" about anything other than potential litigation.

[@susanjohn3]

Psychiatry as practised today is a criminal torture of the weak. Hats off to you for calling a spade a spade.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Standard of Care, lockstep psychiatrists!

[@MariaJose-wr1fm]

Psychiatry now is pure abuse of power. It is torture, it is true.

[@simsim5919]

Hardly the weak, try putting up with forced antipsychotic injections you have to be very strong to endure it and not commit suicide. You know nothing.

[@simsim5919]

Its not torture of the weak that is judgemental but I agree it is torture, and usually the strong are tortured as they want control and power over the strong.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Same for "gender affirming care." Which child or adolescent might benefit from any of it? Extreme, extreme rarity.

[@gracegrace1896]

It’s hard to enjoy this when myself and my family are the ones suffering and stuck in psychiatry-especially my son 28 years old. They forced overdosed him of Haldol injections and stuck him in isolation to die. My husband saw him dying. We weren’t supposed to see it. We did and I had to argue to get help to stop his death. He has also been held on the floor and kicked in the head by med techs in a psych hospital. Last year he lost his right eye when they forced haldol injections AGAIN and put him in isolation for two hours. He tried to get off his med his way last year and that is what landed him in a hospital. Now he’s on even more drugs. And when he was in there they kept introducing more and more drugs (as usual) and he had reactions to them all. He’s extremely sensitive to these drugs. Yet they blame the patient for his behaviors after poisoning him and causing the hallucinations and agitation and aggression. Which, after having been abused multiple times in psych hospitals, is a normal reaction when he is in withdrawals and they’re coming at him with injections and restraints and more. I don’t know how to get him free. There is no help. There is only torment. I’m trying to taper myself off Klonopin. Have been trying since 2017. It is all evil. I have so many traumatic experiences now because of psychiatry. It is a trap and it is pure evil. We need help. God help us. I cannot live a normal life. The life has been sucked out of me through their drugs, trauma of seeing my son suffer, their intimidation of me and gaslighting when I am advocating constantly for him. I feel I’m facing the mental health mafia. We need help.

[@REGjr]

Schizophreniform decompensation is essentially Stockholm Syndrome in reverse. That's why schizophrenia most frequently presents around the age of leaving home. You are obviously a Munchausen mother. I was unmothered by your kind of morally enfeebled irrationality. No accountability for yourself and once your scapegoat flew the coop psychiatric institutions and the pharmaceutical industry are your new scapegoats. As your proxy his life is indeed threatened. BY YOUR UNQUENCHABLE NEED FOR RECOGNITION VIA THE SECONDARY GAIN OF THE CAREGIVER ROLE. You need to leave your kid alone and stick to slip-and-fall con artistry.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Such horror. Please pray so hard and so much. Get away from then no matter how bad it gets, stay away, keep your loved ones away from the hospital.

[@MsCarmel55]

Look up Surviving antidepressants and start there.

[@kiwi5162]

Resources.: Now I See A Person Institute.............Dr. Peter Breggin his website, all his books especially "Toxic Pyschiatry". LOVE. God Bless

[@famnfren]

That's tough. Look for (pro-bono) lawyer and fight your case, good luck!

[@singstreetcar5881]

The biggest mistake u will make in ur life is going to a psychiatrist. Pls avoid these people at all cost

[@r.w.4311]

Most doctors, too.

[@Eliokd]

Which i knew that before... on the way to healing hopefully...

[@shashwatpriyadarshi972]

Please don't say that.I was in pathetic shape mentally in 2012 when I finally went to a psychiatrist and have been on medication ever since.Medicines may not have completely cured my problem but they have definitely made my life manageable.Even my father used to mock psychiatrists and psychiatry being an internist himself but now after seeing my condition he is forced to eat his words.So please weigh your words

[@Eliokd]

@shashwatpriyadarshi972 I'm sorry, but I have been severely harmed by psych meds and still haven't recovered. I'm glad they are helping you. All love towards you ❤️

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

Psychiatry is helping with the suicide rate getting worse. There is no scientific evidence that suicide heals anybody.

[@drirene57]

2 Harvard psychiatrists, Chris Palmer and Georgia Ede, report that they have more success in treating major psychiatric disorders with a nutritional diet (low carb, low processed foods) than with current psychiatric medications.

[@drirene57]

-Saturated fats from animal products were essential; all hormones and all cells in the body (especially the brain) need animal cholesterol as a basic building block.

[@MindShiftChronicle]

They are going against the current and if Chris Palmer was not affiliated to the most prestigious psych hospital of the US- mc Lean and Harvard University. I'm not sure if his ideas would be seen and heard. There's just so much politics in medecine that's patients-- and visibly also psychiatrist don't know what to believe anymore( since studies seem to be biased).

[@drirene57]

@@MindShiftChronicle It’s easy to see that processed foods with a lot of chemical additives are unhealthy. Produce & grains are sprayed with glyphosate and other pesticides. Cut down on these poisons and the body can heal. Low carb diets eliminate a lot of toxic food. Ruminant animals with 4-chambered stomachs (cows, lamb, deer) are able to process out a lot of these harmful substances that may be fed to them.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MindShiftChronicle Careers, finance, hubris!

[@drewott8162]

This is a great interview. To add a bit to it, I think that what doesn't get mentioned enough, is that the 1980 move toward a disease-model of psychiatry, is openly called "neo-Kraepelinian" psychiatry by its practitioners. Emil Kraepelin, of course, was the inventor of Nazi eugenics, and was the teacher of the better known Ernst Rudin who actually carried out the vast eugenics campaigns of Nazi Germany. American psychiatrists of today -literally- refer to Kraepelin as the "Patron Saint" of their profession, and unironically call themselves Neo-Kraepelinians. Kraepelin wanted to rid the world of, "poets, dreamers, gypsies, and Jews." Psychiatrists of today consider this man a hero, and are not taught that he invented Nazi eugenics. It is one of a million things that young psychiatrists are not taught.

[@elizabethabbott2982]

That is just wild! What a bizarre connection. You should write a book or make a movie about this. It certainly explains how things have shaped up the way it is going nowadays.

[@stevekaylor5606]

The Tiergarten-4 Program from 1930s Germany - copied now by the MAID Act in Canada, using lethal injections!

[@MindShiftChronicle]

Dr. Ewott, it seems you have some knowledge about this. While it's true that Emil Kraepelin made significant contributions to psychiatry or so we are taught-- the rest of the story is never taught! Personally, I entered this field with idealistic and nye-naive aspirations to serve the underserved without the whole context and i didn't understand why psychiatry was so criticized by other fields in medecine before this. However, upon beginning residency, I was confronted with the stark realities of the profession. Residency has led me to experience the greatest personal and professional crisis of my life. Currently, I feel trapped in residency due to trauma responses-- freezed in residency-- due to the field, doubting my ability to complete such a challenging specialty and earn the title of psychiatrist. These doubts persist even after four years. Despite advocating for a paradigm shift in the profession, it appears unlikely to happen. What advice would you offer me in this situation?

[@drewott8162]

@@MindShiftChronicle before I answer your question I must tell you that I just had a great laugh. My name is Drew Ott, not Dr Ewott, and I’m amused that you thought I was a physician, because I’m actually an incorrectly-diagnosed “schizophrenic” who’s been fully recovered without meds or a shrink for 6+ years now. However if you can keep listening, you’ve actually asked the right guy, as I work in marketing, and I’ve been thinking about psychiatrists career issues for 10 years, as well as lurking psychiatry forums where they discuss money and career. You have two big career obstacles ahead of you. The first is getting your starter job in a group practice that is usually a pill mill where you will have little say over how patients are handled ethically. Your main metric will be “customer lifetime value,” and most likely your employer will encourage you to overdiagnose since that’s how you get customers. Most psychiatrists are scared to “make the leap” to a solo practice, because they’re unsure how to run a business. Let me encourage you that this is the easiest “leap” in the business world, as there is supposedly a mental health crisis, a shortage of psychiatrists, you have a legal monopoly on drugs, and you’re backed by billions of dollars of free propaganda money by the pharmaceutical industry. It is the easiest business to start in the entire world, so I’ve always been shocked to see psychiatrists discussing how scared they are to go out on their own. Once you go out on your own, your new obstacle (the second one) is going to be liability. If you want to run a practice based on ethics, you are going to have to walk a tightrope regarding legal liability. Anything you do that’s outside the “standard of care” is something a patient can sue you for if something happens to them later. For example if someone comes in saying they’re sad, and you don’t recommend them antidepressants, and then they complete s*icide, their family could potentially sue you. But! If someone comes in, says they’re fine, you diagnose them with depression and prescribe antidepressants, and THEN they complete s*icide, now you’re safe from lawsuit because you were just following the standard of care. By being an anti-psychiatry, ethical psychiatrist, you’re basically up against lawsuits in a big way because you aren’t protected by your profession’s ridiculous control of the legal system. It seems to me that some psychiatrists such as Dr Josef are able to pull off this new business model. Focus on de-prescribing, tell patients the truth, actually listen to them, and actually help them. It’ll be a little riskier and you’ll be carving a new path, but as far as I can tell, it’s the only way possible for a psychiatrist to fulfill their aspirations to serve the underserved. I would also say, if a patient doesn’t have any reason to come back and keep seeing you, tell them that and accept that you may lose a customer. The fee-per-appointment business model of psychiatrists is abusive when the psychiatrist doesn’t inform you that you aren’t required to keep returning. If this means you might make $250k a year instead of $400k, so be it. Hope that helps! And I’m glad you’re watching these videos on KZbin. If only you could help wake up your peers.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MindShiftChronicle Dear MindS, If you become a co-thinker of Jeffrey A. Schaler, Caroline Leaf, Robert D. Whitaker, Howard Glasser, Josef Witt-Doering, John Rosemond, Gary Greenberg, James Davies, Peter Breggin, Peter Gotzsche, the former Thomas Szasz, the CCHR, Niagara Falls Reporter, Tavis Smiley, Amy Chua, Madan Katara, Julia C. Christensen, etc. - you can help effect a complete change from the dank reality of what Psychiatry is effectively doing to down-and-out people - to instead bringing forth their best potentials!

[@nicolelambic]

The man, the myth, the LEGEND...Robert Whitaker!

[@Cheesygarlicccc]

🎉

[@kassi4837]

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEL* 🎉 ^--^

[@shawnleong3605]

He truly needs to take on those monsters

[@3aeren]

the is a dr and an awesome mma fighter, what a gun!

[@JCatBIC]

It really is a vulnerable tribe. Robert Whitaker is one of my heroes. Thank you for giving your time to do these interviews.

[@stevekaylor5606]

He and Dr. Josef!

[@katherinelalli776]

By rights, tapering oversight should be an option for anyone who was lied to about the safety and effectiveness of the drugs, not just those with resources to pay out of pocket. We need class action lawsuits.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

I had to face it on my own. I still see a doctor and lie to him that I am taking the meds because they are foreceful and he keeps saying I am worse because I need higher doses so he keeps upping my dosage. Imagine if I was taking it. Therapist tells me that pretty much therapy won't work if it's not accompanied by drugs. In fact some are even reluctant to give theraphy. I get horrified that if people dont have out of pocket money, they cant even get anyone to even talk to.

[@lindasantini5618]

Amen to the idea of class action lawsuits! The APA is evil, in my opinion. They know they don't cure anyone but they like the big profits and staying in control of all mental health care. It's disgusting.

[@THEROOTMATTERS]

JUST WATCHED AN INTERVIEW WITH A MAN WHO RECENTLY WROTE A BOOK ON HOW TO TAPER OFF OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT ANTI-DEPRESSANTS AND MENTAL ILLNESS PRESCRIBED DRUGS. I AM STRUGGLING TO RECALL HIS NAME OR NAME OF BOOK. IT IS OUT THERE, MOST LIKELY NOT DIFFICULT TO LOCATE IT

[@THEROOTMATTERS]

THE AUTHOR HAS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH TAPERING AND ITS DIFFICULTIES, THUS HE PUT IN RESEARCH TO PROVIDE NECESSARY GUIDANCE.

[@melvyncarrot4741]

Gaslight, taunting, and pushing all the blame on patients for a medication they never asked to be prescribed on from the first place when thing goes south and worst of all, "forced" to be taken off the medication either on a fast to virtually no taper schedule,leaving us as patients suffering the agony of mind torturing withdrawal symptoms, we are literally at the mercy of some unethical and greedy doctors. I'm glad we have some doctors like Dr. Josef, who comes out and speaks up. Medical systems across the globe need to do something.

[@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166]

Yes! Peter Breggin makes good videos too.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Disease-like Labeling is adolescent usurpation! @@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166

[@HappyQuailsLC]

They not only ignored the patient's reports of the drugs causing a problem, they responded by raising the dose.

[@stevekaylor5606]

They did this to Patricia from OH!

[@pandabun2053]

I was prescribed Zoloft ...after two weeks on the drug I developed homicidal and suicidal thoughts ....when I disclosed this to my so called doctor, he raised the dose . From that day on I never trusted a psychiatrist.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Her compliant was considered reason to double her dosages!

[@smallisbeautiful2808]

Also, can someone please explain why both medical doctors AND psychiatrists completely ignore oral/dental care? I mean, shouldn't the fact that an odontogenic infection can cause inflammation in the brain be enough reason to administer Augmentin and to make dentists, dental hygienists, periodontists, and oral surgeons part of the psych hospital and medical hospital staff???

[@kamaliancirranoush1916]

They only care about and “treat” symptoms. If they find the root cause they lose a patient.

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

I can't take any penicillin drugs because of severe reactions. Dental care is not available for me. I'm very careful with my diet and brushing my teeth every day. Dietary issues are the cause for every single illness and disorder.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Hospital medical staff barely exist now - each of the hospitals in Niagara Falls have 2 physicians/shift. The ERs are included under this staffing - yet more staff is hardly needed, as long as disease-like Labeling and drugging is the Treatment!

[@gracegrace1896]

Just started listening. Will try to Finish tomorrow. I need sleep. I’m so much very overwhelmed. When will people be able to get real help such as deprescibing clinics and when will we be seen as real people and given help to get off these brain damaging poisons. And every day I see the havoc it is causing in our society too. Why do most people not understand?

[@kiwi5162]

Also recommend KZbin interview and book titled "Your Consent Is Not Required", Rob Wipond. LOVE. God Bless

[@stevekaylor5606]

Lockstep, dogmatic, moneyed psychiatrists being exposed!@@kiwi5162

[@faithf5846]

I grew up I’m the 60’s early 70s with my mum always on antidepressants & other mental health drugs. I wish I could go back as a doctor to really help my precious mum. About 9 years ago my kids stepsister had a beautiful baby and I heard she was suffering from post postpartum depression. I warned anyone who would listen this could be serious and should not be left to a young father and her “doctor” (I believe the doctor was her primary. ) a few weeks after being p prescribed antidepressants she took her own life. Even though I was detached from their family I was mortified. I remember myself going through a postpartum and Thank God did not have to go on antidepressants from a doctor that could have been clueless. Since then I believe hormones, such as progesterone can help with postpartum and other types of depression. Hormones can be 1 life preserver even for one poor soul that is suffering.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mozart's sister did not suffer from depression - since her aesthetic Training was Prenatal. Her mother was a violinist, who constantly played Leopold's music! / All of us can take up Talent Training, as offered by Peter Breggin, Madan Katara, Howard Glasser and the Sukuki School of Violin!

[@9000ck]

trainee psychiatrist here: the best psychiatrists, the wisest, are specialists in psychotherapy. the drugs are crap, especially long term. i used sertraline myself with initial success, but after a few years the sexual side effects led have seem to have culminated in PSSD and chronic anhedonia. the only thig that has worked a little for me is psychotherapy, exercise, gardening and meditation. a good psychotherapist is worth their weight in gold.

[@lindasantini5618]

As a trainee psychiatrist you won't be taught to cure anyone, just suppress patients' symptoms until they die. I used the "orthomolecular" approach to taper my relative off of THREE DAILY antipsychotic drugs. It took 4 months but his mental health was restored.The APA has been FIGHTING restorative treatment for at least 80 years. Now I know a second approach that is also wonderful. -Linda from YT, "Linda Van Zandt's Mental Health Recovery Channel."

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

I still haven't found a decent psychotherapist.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Have someone pound a bongo drum, while a group starts clapping, stomping and laughing {PBS T.V., 2006}. Happiness + physiology are being triggered together, which the subconscious mind takes literally. These are Laughter Yoga like classes - where you will soon develop a mental + emotional cathexis, which is what mental health is! / Howard Glasser and Peter Breggin also have aesthetic Talent Training classes!

[@MindShiftChronicle]

Psychedelic based psychotherapy ;)

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MindShiftChronicle PI Podcast 50 is good on this!

[@heide-raquelfuss5580]

Psychiatry of death. Look it up. Psychiatry was allways a ticket to being damaged.

[@stevekaylor5606]

A Mental Health Industry of menticide, then death!

[@brendansmyth5053]

Thank you for all your work Robert Whitaker 🙏🏻 I’m 5 years PAWS and you’ve helped me so much. I’m doing amazing now but the first 2/3 years were hell. Thanks again.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Whitaker is also a wrecking ball - like Gotzsche!

[@nicolascamacho319]

Thanks for your book Robert... it was a life saving event to read your book. To rec9gnize how evil is the health industry and their drones.... away with those destructive cocktails of poison given by psychiatrist.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Robert, Josef, Peter Gotzsche, Peter Breggin, James Davies!

[@marylinemaillot3242]

​​@@stevekaylor5606and Thomas Szacz

[@1summerflower]

Healthcare sure has a dark side 😓

[@stevekaylor5606]

Also the accountant run ACA, with its 110,000 statistical categories, $400 premiums and $13k Deductibles. If there's going to be treatment, the doctor has to call ACA to ask permission to treat, yet is often asked for "more information!"

[@SofaKingShit]

The most knowledgeable expert in the world on the subject of a patient's level of pain and the nature of the discomfort is that patient themselves. 99% of doctors seem to have forgetten that in this Age Of The Expert.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Yes - the pain reported by a patient. For neurotoxic psych drugs - patients often go-along-to-get-along, by saying that these are "helping!" @@SofaKingShit

[@wednesdayschild3627]

One doctor told me if someone has say a phobia of flying, they still had a condition instead of a human fear. People now have to be perfect.

[@swingtag1041]

Those f****** put me on Prozac for 6 years and it precipitated an addiction to some other types of substances that I don't want to mention here because everything is monitored and judged by the eye of sauron. It wasn't until I hit rock bottom and started reading the books by Abraham Hicks that I realized my thoughts were the causes of my emotions and my emotions were the cause of my actions. And my beliefs are just thoughts I think, so to change my thought patterns I need to change my beliefs and that takes practice and discipline and some time but it works and it did, and now I'm a free man.

[@capresti3537]

So it wasnt the Prozac it was your thoughts?

[@user-he6rs8xi7u]

​@@capresti3537right over your head

[@DiogoSantos-ix5sl]

Thank you so much. This channel is so valuable, it needs a bump ❤

[@micuzzu]

This makes me so mad I can only watch so much at a time 😫

[@lenorepaletta9267]

DSM book of fairytales.

[@brandyk]

Yes there very difficult to get thru so you have to find the right time n place to listen to and then have an immediate outlet to journal,talk to someone, exercise or just beat a pillow.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Reductionist - Freudian labels revved-up to justify neurotoxic drugs + ECT, then securing many as cash cows! @@lenorepaletta9267

[@stevekaylor5606]

DSM book of empirical + suggestible tinkering! @@lenorepaletta9267

[@estelled389]

Dr Whitaker is another God send . 🙏

[@stevekaylor5606]

Peter Gotzsche, Peter Breggin!

[@allencollins6031]

How they lost their way? $$$$$$$$$

[@stevekaylor5606]

Corralling sad people as cash cows - for their psychiatric-pharmaceutical co-franchise!

[@kiwitraveller6451]

I so love you guys and all those that are speaking out about what is happening with taking psych drugs and benzo's etc...we are getting a new Dr here in NZ for my son because the other one there was a conflict of interest he threatened my son years ago and will not give on a lot of issues but in saying that the other Dr is older and stayed in his view am guessing with the staunch view of meds and psych way of doing things...will be praying...10 years coming up and no change, no getting better...I even asked a nurse what is the definition of getting better and he walked away...you guys with Dr Peter Breggin and others are legends as mentioned...❤❤

[@heathersmith6177]

Anatomy of an Epidemic and Mad in America changed my life! Aa a counselor and psych patient since my teens, his work has validated my experience and given me a look behind the veil. I am so grateful for his work and your work Dr. Josef! God bless you both!!!

[@florencekirsch]

My head is exploding with ideas. I’m a licensed counselor and have worked in community mental health for years. Here’s a big thing: psychiatrists stopped being therapists. As that happened the field opened to other professionals who are disposed to caring about life events, feelings and all the thing’s associated with surrounding stories that make up a person’s life. Psychiatrist have become remote, detached figures. I tend to recognize psychiatric nurse practitioners. I think this is because they are better listeners and more current and aware. I also wonder if there are significant difference in personality and priorities in mental health counselors and psychiatric versus a person who leans toward medical careers. Multi-factorial issue.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Ethical, Standard of Care psychiatrists - for their Rules Based Order!

[@MindShiftChronicle]

You make a keen observation. Essentially, you're questioning whether there's a disparity in behavior between someone with a three or four-year degree versus someone with a 12 to 15-year degree. In essence, doctors are akin to soldiers, trained to think within a certain framework and discouraged from questioning the system. Would you risk being expelled from residency for challenging the system? Who would shoulder their $300k medical debt? This is compounded by financial and insurance pressures to swiftly diagnose and medicate. Nurses and therapists don't have all these pressures!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@MindShiftChronicle Great insight MSC! If doctors are too intimated to think about what they're effectively doing - then the System must be Changed top-down! Have you seen Psychology Is Podcast 50, with Jim Gottstein?

[@kmjansen]

This conversation answered so many questions I’ve always had, even if it was just by realizing you guys have the same questions that are as of yet unanswered. Robert Whitaker is a hero. I love that you said your professional history would allow you to defend yourself in court if you got called. Congratulations as you’re the first psychiatrist that has courage.

[@ComeAlivewithMK]

I would love to see a journalist investigate how many suicides in this country have a history of antidepressant exposure-whether it be short term, long term, tapered to sudden and rapid withdrawal. I would put money on the fact that most suicides today as well as the increase in suicides is directly and absolutely related to antidepressants. But money is more important than human life so I’m sure we’ll never see that investigation not to mention the fact that big Pharma owns our information highway.and too much money is at stake -the criminal priority of putting profit before people and human life is sickening. And how warped the mental health establishment has become is beyond mind boggling. And if the pharmaceutical agencies believe there could be an inkling of this to come out, they’ll just use more coercion to silent any form of dissent or information that doesn’t support their narrative. This is some of the most egregious criminal activity out there. Harming people in the name of helping them and profiting from not just the negligence of but purposeful destruction of the whistle blower whether it be the ethical doctor, outspoken family member or “difficult” patient. How we got here is group think at its worst and reflects a side of humanity that can make one easily lose hope in how we will ever get out of this mess especially now that we’re sunk so deep in. Whitaker and this doctor are small but brilliant rays of hope-it would behoove us to support them and follow their lead. But it will take us coming forward in numbers speaking out collectively to change it, I don’t believe there’s any other way.

[@capresti3537]

Its unbelievable this destruction of humanity is even legal.

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

No actually, psychiatrists now say that people aren't committing suicide. They now say people are dying of natural causes because it's easier than excepting they haven't seen the actual suicide attempt. psychiatrists also continue to deny that all medications have no relationship to suicide. They all say that it's the people being non-compliant to their treatment protocols or mixing their drugs with other drugs. Excuse after excuse after excuse. and still no accountability held for so many suicides.

[@capresti3537]

@@SuperMichelleDJ They just say its their so called "mental illness".

[@Original_Flanno]

A good friend of mine ended up getting very sick. He had bizarre symptoms like stuttering vision, extended episodes of pacing, inability to initiate normal tasks, nonsensical thoughts etc etc. He ended up going to the hospital and they wanted to put him thru as a mental patient, but he said he really didn't think it was a psychiatric issue. After he was bounced around a bunch someone finally listened to him and reservedly offered a trial of steroids. Turns out he had some kind of encephalitis!

[@stevekaylor5606]

A physical, medical cause!

[@dustygatrell-ru7tg]

Did the steroids help his symptoms?

[@Original_Flanno]

@@dustygatrell-ru7tg Turns out it was all a lie and he's likely bipolar!

[@dustygatrell-ru7tg]

@@Original_Flanno it would actually make alot of sense to be honest tho. What medication was your freind on ?

[@Original_Flanno]

@dustygatrell-ru7tg he wasn't on anything, I don't think he even went to the hospital/doctor.

[@SofaKingShit]

Psychiatrists are proud of ignoring mere externalities in a person's life. Whereas the patient experiences externalities their are in fact their actual whole lives.

[@Ste2023]

very true

[@stevekaylor5606]

Yes, just grab a symptom or two, instead of figuring out a few external problems - then the DSM label, etc.! @@Ste2023

[@JenniferKay-jz3py]

This conversation was brilliant and so important. Bravo Dr. Josef and Robert Whitaker

[@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166]

I just love Robert. (Watched many interviews of him) But you was a great interviewer, too. Probably one of the best Ive seen interviewing him. You are concentrated and polite.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Josef!

[@mariekejansen7658]

Thank you for speaking up for us : WorldTaperingDay

[@judyposner6199]

a great interview. Whitaker is so authentic. Bravo

[@RS-hs5lq]

I read his books many years ago. Along with Peter Breggin's work, his books have been a major influence in my perspective about the mental health system and more critically, the psych pharma industry.

[@robertsands8137]

I am a psychiatrist of 45 years and have never practiced this way. Fair analysis, however.

[@flyingfig12]

I wish that somehow all the prescribers could be given the drugs laden with side effects (not the good kind) and see how they fare and leave them be.. do not listen to what they have to say afterward.. leave them on their way with all the horrific side effects. Shame on them!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Long term Mental Patients live 25 years less than the current Life Expectancy {down to about 75 by now}!

[@jackiegerspachhas4237]

Thank you for this!!!!

[@darbydickey]

Revelations 18:23. …for your merchants were the great ones of the earth and all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. The word “sorcery” in the original Greek is actually pharmakeia. Where we get the English word pharmacy. Think about it.

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

Absolutely spot on!

[@stevekaylor5606]

The Archangel of Light feigned helpfulness - Lucifer!

[@dustygatrell-ru7tg]

Yup.

[@coreywiley3981]

26:50 such good point and observation about the attitudes about criticizing psyche meds.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Neurotoxic drugs!

[@CynthiaMcG]

I'm fairly certain that my CPSD is not mainly from childhood trauma but abuse at psychiatric hospitals. I have been to one non-abusive one that I was sent to that normally takes care of well-off people.

[@cyclamengarden]

What a great interview! Thanks so much!!!

[@mariaa6918]

Absolutely amazing talk. Thank you so much.....

[@deberebor]

We need to stop saying "side effects" and start saying "additional effects."

[@capresti3537]

more like direct effects

[@kristinmeyer489]

Imo Truth on this subject is a public service. Thank you for these videos!

[@futures2247]

such an excellent and important discussion.

[@kirsinaldini2004]

God bless your heart Dr. Josef

[@kristinmeyer489]

6:50 So sad that this experience is so prevalent and common. Mine was in being surrounded by people who treated me like they were doing me a special FAVOR by treating me this way! Its revoltingly perverse.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Much like adolescent usurpation!

[@KFlow-ox2yi]

Wow amazing information Thank you both

[@stefanosprokopis6974]

Psychiatry should be renamed Drug pusher should be the new title.

[@Ste2023]

frauds

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Absolutely

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@Ste2023 The sincerity via vaulted research + positivist assertions, with crocodile tears can yet fool many!

[@jackiegerspachhas4237]

Same thing happened to me with a doctor!!!! Don’t care about you!!!!!

[@heide-raquelfuss5580]

They do not care indeed. Only $$$.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis!

[@bilygates2509]

And they feel no remorse at all

[@stevekaylor5606]

Psychiatrists are with Standard of Care ethics - not the morality of what they're effectively doing to people!

[@bilygates2509]

@@stevekaylor5606 the training they received is unethical with all the respect to the doctors.. the bottom line is money and keeping people in the mental health care system for life

[@MindShiftChronicle]

As a future psychiatrist, I increasingly feel disheartened by the current state of psychiatry. Despite the demand for treatment and support from patients, there's a pressing need for change. It's saddening to learn that fear is preventing many individuals from seeking help from psychiatrists.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

The psychiatric industry is profit driven and turned me into a drug dependant zombie. My issues, by and large, came from childhood trauma (poverty, mother addicted to alcohol and nicotine, etc) and married to a man with autism (not diagnosed until 2009, despite seeing 30 + psychologists/psychiatrists from 1980 (what a coincidence)). Instead of advice to leave dysfunctional relationship, with two children and stressful job, I was doped up on prescription antidepressants. I met 3 "good" ones, but, it is the most disgusting industry. Ninety per cent of my issues were (and are) situational.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

* I got off the final antidepressant in 2011 (from 1991). Last one Effexor-SR. First an MAO (Aurorix?), then SSRIs including Zoloft, Citalopram and probably others along the way (memory issues, many of those years forgotten). Never heard of PSSD until now. Explains a lot.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Psychiatry is a Labeling and drug dispensing Industry! @@carolynbrightfield8911

[@carolmmatthews54]

My Benzodiazepines started 2x daily, but at one time in AM 1982 til I left wrk angry ended up in a Hospital. Stressful Job & neck issues typing & phone same time. Been a mess. Today 6/10/2024 starting to get thru Psychiatric mess, when I settle on a GP hope to move forward

[@khattizz2140]

I work in a psychiatric inpatient facility, where we have people presenting in acute psychosis. Many of these patients do not get better without treatment, in fact, they end up admitted involuntary due to discontinuing psychotropic medications. Maybe you both should volunteer and work in such facilities? Or, provide your contact information so we can send these patients to you so that you can offer the non medication treatment and then give us your outcomes. Where can the population find you?

[@REGjr]

Psychiatry had clearly lost its way well before DSM 3. The self-interested ruse that refrigerator mothering doesn't cause autism comes to mind. Harry Harlow made monkeys autistic by feeding them from a wire mother and allowing them to seek comfort from a cloth mother (but no real monkey mother). When these monkeys matured they did not want to mate. Harlow found a way around that and I'm unsure if any of the unwanted baby monkeys of unmothered (autistic) mothers survived, and remember specifically one was killed by his mother eating his fingers off his hands. They may have been less filicidal toward daughters though I don't think the experiment replicated the human social phenomena responsible for the four times higher prevalence of autism in males (maternal daddy issues). This is strongly analogous though to social pressure on developmentally challenged women to secure their futures not entering the dating pool as women who don't want to be mothers. The recklessness of subjecting their unborn children to a "genetic" risk of unknown severity speaks to their developmental immaturity (magical thinking) and taught (environmentally acquired) uncivilized moral savagery. Clear (to me anyway) the so-called "dark empath" = one part autistic low cognitive empathy + one part autistic high affective empathy + some circumstance like unwanted (particularly single) parenthood or intellectual disability. Regardless of disability surely few are better-positioned to abuse more-mercilessly than single parents of only children. Babytrapping monsters like my mother are in-part one consequence of Medicine obfuscating autism's etiology. Guess what else? Diogenes syndrome is adult autistic regression in undiagnosed untreated ASD L1 without intellectual disability. Think about it. The Collyer Brothers (hermits of Harlem) were autistic. Nietzsche too. That wasn't schizophrenia or dementia coming out of his bedroom to which his sister took him out of the sanitarium and CHARGED PEOPLE ADMISSION to listen in her living room. Diogenes self-neglect is a psychiatric sequela of the maternal emotional neglect that causes autism. The deterioration of executive function is a neurological sequela of pruned motor neurons, which are themselves a sequela of neglect. The genome's been sequenced for over a dozen years. Behavioral heritability within families will of course appear "genetic" to people who take no accountability (like the refrigerator mothers who ANNOUNCED they were ASD's etiology when they stopped bringing their children for treatment rather than wanting to find out how to be better mothers). Quite clearly the kids who stop making eye contact do so for finding no delight in their mothers' faces and echolalia is the perseveration of failures to flatter her into games of simon says. Continuing to point to genetic aftermath trying to misrepresent it somehow as an etiological perturbation is as preposterously obscene as o.j. continuing to look for the real killer but far more unconscionable.

[@SamStone1964]

Would you apply most of what you say above to narcissism as well?

[@kareendeveraux1847]

⁠​⁠@@SamStone1964That's actually more the description of narcissism, not autism. There are overlaps, though. Narcs have no empathy and autistic people have trouble showing it. People tend to mix up a lot with this topic. Also vaccines do not cause autism, yet, they may cause symptoms that look like autism, for example. Huge confusion what is autism and what not, even among professionals. Some of them are on the spectrum and don't realize it. 😂

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Exactly. In my observation and anecdotal experience, there is a genetic predisposition of the inheritance of autistic style of behaviour. Some people just are not "into a heavily social, must appear empathetic, support the latest cause and conformist lifestyle" that has become increasingly the expectation of our society. How they are raised will influence their ability to interact with the broader society. So much of the rise in autism lies in lost nurturing (as well as diet). Babies as young as 3 months in day care. Look at the studies of babies in orphanages in Czechoslovakia (? Country) in 1980s. And then we're supposed to believe the nonsense it's all genetically predetermined to relieve the parent's guilt.

[@kathya1956]

My sister has had cancer twice and recently got scare. She couldn't handle it, begged for benzos. I think she's been on them a long time.

[@eldoradose]

Psychiatry never knew the way. They see a car but never notice the driver, so they confuse a cause with an effect. They see all car accidents on the road, they name it and sell different kind of oils or fuels to fix the problem.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Snake oil salesmen - in a consortium!

[@uteritter4293]

I was diagnosed with disthymia in the end. It means that your will I can not get it out of mý thoughts.

[@kareendeveraux1847]

Mh... can you lose something you never had to begin with? "Has lost its way"...

[@Ste2023]

drug companies in America made tonnes of money 💰 the Doctors got xtra work . the suffering DIDN'T stop It GOT WORSE .

[@stevekaylor5606]

Money and careers - for what they're effectively doing to people!

[@kellyschroeder7437]

What a shame. A doctor prescribing meds only to 4 people in an hour 💔😪 ……. Way sick and sad …….

[@lindasantini5618]

4 patients per hour = 4 times as much income

[@stevekaylor5606]

Perhaps 6 patients!@@lindasantini5618

[@stevekaylor5606]

More cash cows!@@lindasantini5618

[@junkettarp8942]

Not funny, This is serious.

[@ancabostinariu6550]

Correct and one can be cast out if one does not follow the rules

[@stevekaylor5606]

Cast into a fear caked dullard!

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Amen

[@kimlec3592]

Patients know best...

[@replaceablehead]

Imagine living in a world where we needed large scale studies to coherently describe alcohol intoxication.

[@emiliaabeyta159]

Rest In Peace Investigative Journalist Evelyn Pringle.

[@Ste2023]

what did she investigate

[@250txc]

16:00 -- The people who go along with whatever BS is pumped to them by whoever, are followers. They do not have the smarts or drive to go on with their lives.... Sheep for a no better word...

[@Janevelyn]

I sure hope some heads rolled over the lies of the study!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Indictments and more - for 2nd Degree Assault and more!

[@kristinmeyer489]

When you reduce me, simplify my life to suit you, use force on me to screw my life up, as if it doesn't, and stigmatize me for leverage, it doesn't translate that you care about my HEALTH at all. Call me crazy. You already ruined my life calling me names.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Brand sad people with disease-like Labels...

[@MindShiftChronicle]

Leaders of opinions while watching these two talk: " You fools, you think we don't know about that. You think we haven't thought about that? Of course we did. The issue is that you don't understand that this model works and is financially viable. Who cares if patients and psychiatrists are equallly confused? As longvas the money comes in. You fools!"

[@icedcoffee8561]

The entire school of psych.. never found it's way. It's unscientific, you prescribe different things until you give up, usually not following any sense. I treat myself successfully, meanwhile, everyone I know is switching meds up multiple times every year.

[@EVOLr]

I think we need to leave it be, because the only way to truly believe those drugs taken long term is to just experience the trip and learn for yourself. People are gonna be people.

[@EVOLr]

It really saddens me to say that , but I can’t control anyone into thinking what I believe. I continue to leave it all in GODs hands. Believe me HE knows what He’s doing. Hard lessons to learn for sure. Thanks as usual Dr.Joseph. You are truly a God send for individuals as I.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental confusion and Disassociation need to be ended!@@EVOLr

[@stevekaylor5606]

The FDA is involved - so neurotoxic drugs keep getting modified and renamed!

[@kholoudagha8150]

What if u have psychosis and loose insight , how come to stay without medication ??

[@capresti3537]

Who makes that judgment of lack of insight?

[@heide-raquelfuss5580]

Psychosis can be cured. Not with meds. But with healthy nutrition, sunlight/daylicht, working outside. Get rid of sugar, sweeteners, high carbohydrates, toxic oils, dressings, fastfood, restaurant food, soft drinks, to much coffee, alcohol, drugs, meds. Walking in nature, hiking with people who have your best interrest in mind. Also healing your gut biome, oral biome. Stop using toothpaste, mouthwash, silver fillings, rootcanals. Stop using chemicals in your house for cleaning, persinal hygiene. Using only basic natural products. Get rid of toxic carpet, curtains, cushions, wallpaper who have fire retardants. Get rid of molds in the house. Stop using pesticides, fungicides, insecticides. Look up also> Dr. Peter Osborne ( hollistic and a biochemist on nutrient deficiencies and more ). Dr. Erik Berg. Dr. Ken Berry www.doctoryourself.com. Or... www.doctoryourself.org ( i do not remember ). >>> DR. ANDREW SAUL. Also, persons with psychosis have often toxic relationships causing them big emotional harm and traumata, ptsd, cptsd... Big losses, grief, sadness, hopelessness, chronic frustrations, caused by people, events are a big issue. Having poor living conditions... I hope this helps. SUCCES❤

[@SuperMichelleDJ]

Who decides that it's psychosis?

[@user-3282]

I went to a family doctor with low mood. Had ADs prescribed immediately, endoscopy performed (I had stomach ache). Not at ANY time did the GP ask about my personal life or stressors. In hindsight it was 100% symptoms because I had recently separated and about to divorce causing huge worry and anxiety. I was therefore convinced by doctors that there was something wrong with my brain, not my life. There were no tests done to rule out anything actually medical that could cause depression e.g. thyroid etc. I don't think I'd ever trust any doctor again on anything psych or lifestyle related. Any medical treatment would also have to have to be in response to a clear unequivocal diagnostic test of evidence. Most of psych is bogus and unfortunately GPs are coerced by these narratives also. They medicalise literally everything.

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Relationship - kinda of a laugh and about infuriating. Whether medical or psych. My encounters w psychiatry was always quick. Quick listen and just prescribe “in the dark” 💔😪💔😪

[@hellboystein2926]

Dr K is probably coming from quite an different point of view, but he also states that: 'Medicine gets better every day, we can take out an organ and put a new one in, but not so much in psychology: there we are loosing the war!'

[@Ravenscaller]

We finally came to say that your depression is NOT caused by a lack of Prozac deficiency of the brain. Anxiety isn't caused by your not having enough Xanax and so forth.

[@futures2247]

lost its way? its way has always been terrible

[@kristinmeyer489]

Psychiatry's power comes from 1) lies, 2) the state, and 3) stigma. Without stigma, the coercive methods they use would seem nakedly barbaric and traumatizing, as they are.

[@JesseRMapulaJr]

Here’s an idea just ban all psych meds altogether and make these drs accountable for their actions against patients being abuse there needs to be change in psychiatry and psychiatric treatment inside hospitals I got attacked by a security guard at UCI hospital and charged with assault against a peace officer but after he struck my right ear I blacked out and he continued hitting me a nurse who witnessed it happened quit I later had to plea quilty to this charge but only had to do few days in jail

[@carolmmatthews54]

Eventually too many relatives & drinking, smoking

[@ry9348]

❤🎉✌😇🕊

[@1littleway]

I don’t think doctors like to see people suffer. They are taught to fix, ie; give a pill and no longer therapy

[@user-3282]

The unhealthy alliances and conflicts of interest in one big circle of pharma, bought academics, the pharma-funded FDA and regulators, the courts who make decisions based on FDA guidelines rather than facts, keeps this whole big charade on the road.

[@realnoid7839]

MIA was Ok. Dr Peter Breggin sounded great. Then came his Churchillian “finest hour” Judy Mikovits bs interview. When so-called skeptics go off the rails during a pandemic.

[@carolinesteward6213]

Do you realise you have TWO DIFFERENT of your debate here on u tube? This one has far far less views. And wat I’ve said on the other one in comments is what you are saying here Now I know cover up.

[@annmonaghan3456]

Thank you for sharing this valuable information, I'v been a huge fan of Robert for many many years, also of Dr David Healy, I'v learned so much from them. Living in Ireland, i can see the chaos these drugs are causing to so many people and watching children being put on them also is heartingbreaking. We had a beautiful Dr here who advocated against the use of Psychiatric drugs and therapy (ECT) and in 2008 led a campaign to introduce a Private Member's Bill in the Seanad to prohibit the involuntary administration of ECT to patients without their consent. Sadly he passed away nearly 13 years ago. Both Dr Corry and his wife Dr Aine Tubridy wrote 2 books. Going mad, understanding mental illness and Depression, an emotion not a disease. I'm sure Dr David Healy would have known them. I was lucky enough to attend some of Dr Michael's lectures years ago, both Dr Micheal and Dr Aine are sadly missed by the Alternative Health commuinty here in Ireland. www.irishtimes.com/news/death-of-outspoken-psychiatrist-1.853727 iahip.org/page-1075836

[@stevekaylor5606]

CCHR FL is taking on the Baker Act there. Parents are not being informed when their child is sent for a Psychiatric Evaluation!

[@Iforkyamomnsheligmaballz69]

Whitaker looks so old after Izzy knocked him out Not surprised why he got chinned by DDP