Psychiatrists and the pharma industry are to blame for the current ‘epidemic’ of mental disorders

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Filmed at the Emmanuel Centre on 12th november 2014.
Drug pushers. We tend to associate them with the bleak underworld of criminality. But some would argue that there’s another class of drug pushers, just as unscrupulous, who work in the highly respectable fields of psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry. And they deserve the same moral scrutiny that we apply to the drug pedlar on the street corner. Within the medical profession labels are increasingly being attached to everyday conditions previously thought to be beyond the remit of medical help. So sadness is rebranded as depression, shyness as social phobia, childhood naughtiness as hyperactivity or ADHD. And Big Pharma is only too happy to come up with profitable new drugs to treat these ‘disorders’, drugs which the psychiatrists and GPs then willingly prescribe, richly rewarded by the pharma companies for doing so. In the last decade the use of antidepressants in the UK has doubled and in 2012 50 million prescriptions had been written for them. It’s a similar story for hyperactivity: the use of Ritalin has tripled with 800,000 prescriptions written by 2012. Even worse, argue the critics, the scientific and ethical flaws in the research behind some of these drugs have purposefully not been published. Meanwhile the real underlying causes of behavioural problems and human misery are often left untreated.
That’s the view of those who object to the widespread use of the ‘chemical cosh’ to treat people with mental difficulties. But many psychiatrists, while acknowledging that overprescribing is a problem, would argue that the blame lies not with themselves. For example, parents and teachers often ramp up the pressure to have a medical label attached to a child’s problematic behaviour because that way there’s less stigma attached and allowances are made. And psychiatrists and the pharma companies also take issue with those who argue that the ‘chemical imbalance’ theory of mental disorder is a myth. ADHD is a real condition, they say, for which drugs work. Research shows that antidepressants really are more effective than just a placebo, especially in cases of severe depression. Scientists are now working on a completely new kind of antidepressant for people who have endured incurable depression and anxiety for decades - with promising results so far. Human suffering will never be eradicated but evidence shows that pharmaceutical drugs have improved the lives of millions around the world.

[@maggie0285]

I'm a survivor of the mental health system. I was locked into a psych ward at 13 and my last and final therapist occurred at the age of 49. This therapist was beyond abusive. I'm 51 now and I can still have a good life and I'm determined

[@EBR1]

Good. You're better off staying away from shrinks, no matter how bad you may feel.

[@user-py2nz4qx8f]

So sorry you had to go through that but for sure you are OK. You should write a book . I have been writing one about my late veteran spouses ordeal in the System; he said it had kept him prisoner for twenty years.

[@teledoink]

@@user-py2nz4qx8fwriting can be very therapeutic for survivors of trauma! Even if the writing doesn’t end up getting traditionally published, or even if nobody else ever reads it, studies have shown that it’s extremely therapeutic to put pen to paper and get it all out of one’s head and onto that paper. Specifically writing by hand is, for some reason, a process that helps the brain sort these thoughts and emotions and help start to resolve them.

[@leighatkins22]

You poor bugger... I am so sorry for your experience of life. I am a big believer that every problem humanity has is due to the way we handle power - either ppl taking power which isn't their's, ppl giving away their power or ppl abusing the power they have. Ppl who like taking power from others are going to create systems that encourage ppl to give their's away and of course once they have it, they will abuse it. Many of us today are conditioned to believe from the start, that we must give our power away, to teachers, doctors, police, politicians, anyone in any position of authority, and it would seem that it is this conditioning that the pharmaceutical industrial complex relies upon in order to feed it's own disgustingly greedy belly. We can only heal when WE are in charge of our own bodies, minds and spirits, and I hope you finally have all of yours 😊

[@mindyjoyfullplay5340]

I feel you. I k ow there is nothing wrong with you. You can do and be anything you want to. I was put in hospital and diagnosed at 51.

[@jameswatkins2596]

Everything that makes us human ends up being pathologised.

[@onetwo19]

Yes, like diabetes and heart conditions and cerebral palsy. They just make us human right? So we should stop taking meds for those right? What a crock of shit!

[@nerd7432]

ONE TWO he means anxiety and mental stress.

[@Stratman389]

yes indeed. No space for individual differences in this medical model.

[@nemo-nb3gh]

Exactly . Take a look at the latest DSM-5 , the Mental Illness " industry " " bible " . In it every human emotion is now a sign of mental illness . They want us all to be cookie cutter , flesh and blood robots whose sole purpose is to produce and consume and they divert us with fluff tv and entertainment and give us false enemies here and in foreign countries to hate .

[@gamez2351]

@@nemo-nb3gh I know

[@littleboots9800]

This was my experience of being pushed antidepressants when I was at a dressing change with the nurse. Frustrated and upset with a non healing leg wound that was repeatedly infected and was not being treated as it should have been leaving it stinking and painful, the overwhelmed nurse fetched a GP into the room. She stood in the doorway as the nurse summarised why I was upset then paused for a moment before saying, "I could give you a prescription for anti depressants?" Approximately 90 seconds elapsed between her appearing and her offering me, (a patient she hadn't seen before and hadn't even looked at my notes yet,) antidepressants. I have to admit I lost my temper, I called her lazy and irresponsible and told her I knew exactly why I was depressed, it was this wound that stank, constantly leaked, was very painful and wouldn't heal. I didn't need antidepressants, I needed my leg fixed. Turned out the antibiotics I was given were the wrong type for the bacteria that had colonised the wound. An IV drip of the correct antibiotic and some oral doxycycline and it was fixed and I was no longer depressed. I could work more hours, the pain had gone and I could go out without worrying if ppl could smell my leg wound. If ppl know why they're depressed why would drugs be the first option? Why do we not attempt to fix the cause? Depressed because your spouse died? Why not bereavement counselling? Depressed because your drowning in debt and worrying about losing your house? Why not refer to Citizens Advice Bureau? What about the therapeutic lifestyle changes that have proven benefits to mood like exposure to pre noon sunlight daily, correcting the balance of omega 6s and 3s? Vitamin D3 supplementation? Strengthening social bonds?

[@annabell3385]

Exactly. Plus exercise and getting off the standard American diet.

[@LyndenAdaire-fi1yk]

Yes.

[@ruthie2222]

That is outrageous offering you antidepressants like that! She should be struck off!!!

[@nikosgreek352]

Precisely. Older generations knew the truth. Very few people actually need happy pills. Most people's "mental illness" is due to having a bad life and even worse advisors.

[@jonanderson4825]

Simple. There's no money in cures, it in treating symptoms. Treatment in perpetuity seems to be the mode. Or, they are simply in the "This Is How We've Always Done It" rut and that's the box they're gonna stay in.

[@jacklost4676]

i lost count of number of diagnoses I have had. I have taken every pill in psychiatry there is for my condition. all I searched was a meaning for my life. still struggling full-time. i hope I find peace one day. these pills take away your emotions, your values, your identity, your purpose in life and leaves you dependent upon a psychophatic institution.

[@anonkasper7937]

Start practicing abstinence.Cut out sex,masturbation, erections totally out from life.Let life energy build up it will take years to fill up completely to a point it becomes full and starts healing all body issues.Also secondarily get in a good diet and make sure your gut is clean

[@Karlaisabellc]

Same. & when i say i want to get off them because i genuinely hate feeling numb and like a zombie on autopilot all the time the doctor always suggests trying a different combination of meds.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Psychiatrists and their staffers have running you thru their Mill, in what is effectively financialization + depraved indifference!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@Karlaisabellc Doctors should include Cathexis Training!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@anonkasper7937 A better lifestyle, nutrition and physical fitness!

[@Slarti]

I have worked in big pharma and all I can say, that will shine light onto this issue, is that big pharma favours employing those with sociopathic tendencies for its directors. The consequence is that while there may be many good and honourable scientists in the pharma industry, those leading it are really salespeople and marketers being scientists only in name.

[@jtulley2839]

IN America we call them " Capitalists " and we love them :) Tobacco , ( once prescribed ) and ALL of the horrible " social experiments " these medications have produced is a moral sin . I am so glad this mess wasn't given to me as a kid . They are now literally bullying me in to getting my 16 year old on this , try saying no to them ~ :(

[@susiearviso3032]

Its true. The doctors need patients to make money. No psyche medications "fix" pervasive mental illness. Man can only help so much, but they cannot cure it. These doctors listen to what the patient has to say and then write a prescription. That's the best man can do. When I was 21, I had chronic depression, nervous ticks, social and general anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, and out of control thoughts. I had also been abused growing up. A friend of mine had an encounter with Jesus and it was the first time I heard about Him. After I saw the changes in her, I started asking Jesus to come to me and help me. I was miserable and had no life. Then on March 6th, 1977 I had an encounter with Jesus. I was sitting in a Church. In that encounter, I was in His presence and He poured His love over and through me like warm oil going into my entire being. I never experienced love like that and when i walked away that morning, I had a peace inside me that has not left me. Jesus healed me from all the scars of abuse and every symptom I mentioned had just fallen away from me. I was a brand new person and the change in me had a domino effect on my family and friends. Even my best friend's parents wanted me to come over for dinner so they could see if it was true that i was a Christian. They gave their lives to Christ along with my family. People were shocked at the change in me. That was 40+ years ago and I've had a wonderful life. If I hadn't met Jesus, I know I would be dead because I was suicidal before I met Jesus. You can call upon the name of the lord Jesus too and be saved from the penalty of sin. Just ask Jesus to forgive your sins and give your life over to Him. Don't wait. Its what Jesus has wanted, to have a personal relationship with everyone. The first Commandment shows us its what God has wanted with each and every one of us. God Bless You all.

[@JozeeWalz]

Yes this is extremely unethical, but who are the authorities that keep allowing this? Aren't they unethical too? (Answer is yes) My guess is authorities are bought off to keep this alive. Educating the masses is probably the only solution.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

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[@beataannanowak659]

I wish they would come up with a pill that would stop people from being violent. They only have pills for victims of domestic violence that are depressed and suicidal.

[@bobeden5027]

Healing the wounds of my childhood was the most powerful work I have ever done.

[@stevekaylor5606]

You produced yourself - as Marianne Williamson says!

[@capresti3537]

I am left with permanent neurological injuries from 20 years of psych drugs i never needed, now even off them 10 years still have nervous system damage.

[@juancarlosabad3298]

I am really sorry for you….one of my daughters has a similar experience/existance …she received electro-shock 10y ago ….she became a ghost…

[@capresti3537]

@@juancarlosabad3298 Sorry to hear that. Psychiatrists are insane criminals. Stay away from them.

[@capresti3537]

@@juancarlosabad3298 Sorry to hear that. Psychiatrists are insane criminals with no remorse.

[@Youngone78]

So glad I found this. I’ve been poly drugged for almost 15 years, all because I was suffering from ptsd from an abusive marriage. Never told how dangerous or addictive they were, and when I tried to come off I ended up in the worst hell I could have ever imagined, and considered suicide every day. Of course my psych just added more meds. Now I’m unable to get off of them, and unable to think properly, and to top it off I have tardive akasthsia. It’s absolutely horrific, and nobody knows how to help me. Fun fact- go to the hospital because of it, and not being able to find help anywhere, they admit you to the psych ward, and try to push the same drugs that caused it!! Psychiatrists seem to have no idea what they are really doing to patients, and leave you high and dry suffering in the end.

[@capresti3537]

psychiatrists just poison people with pseudoscience. basically criminals wanting to profit off vulnerable people.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Most psychiatrists are too lockstep to consider aesthetic training for people. Intending to reduce people to animals is key to making them into cash cows!

[@sofiabrasher6068]

Google a support group that helps take you off meds and a nutritional psychiatrist. I’m almost off meds and finally feel like myself again. I had to do a very long taper and take vitamins but I feel so much better.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@sofiabrasher6068 If you are allowed + able to contract with a Nutritional Psychiatrist - this should be a big help, since he would be holistic. Those in a Support Group tend to be very fearful and compliant - yet if you suggest ways to talent train and develop a dedicated Cathexis, they can be helpful!

[@bellakrinkle9381]

I'll be the first to say that most psychiatrists are poorly trained, and Psychoanalysts are still attempting to figure themselves out. Some practice without having been Board Certified - whatever that means! I think it's when they could not finish their own Analysis.

[@wetl2628]

Antidepressants work like this. Someone takes them because he or she is depressed. The psychiatrist asks him:" how do you feel now?" The patient responds:" I don't know, I don't feel anything anymore!" The psychiatrist: "see, they work!" Moral of the story: if you put a bandaid on a wound, the wound is still there but you can't see it. It's not because you can't see something it's not there. It's not the bandaid who heals the wound, it's te body.

[@dylanfultz23]

Exactly, well put.

[@Ilovedogsonly]

So trueeeeeeee

[@1munseedelaware]

The doc told my wife these antidepressants would help you with pain ,well because of those drugs she had alot pain and a mental breakdown, ended up at a behavior center and put on more of them ,she came home with no emotion , no expressions and alot of physical problems. She wished she only had the one pain after that , I have witnessed the side effects of these drugs on her and noticed some were exactly the same uncontrollable movements as her niece who has autism and is medicated with the same drug. I had to ween her off because the docs wouldn't and now she has stopped the uncontrolled movements and is talking like a human being again and feeling the love. Don't be fooled by these drugs or by anyone who tells you they will help you or you will regret it ! Listen to the people with experience and not the the person making money from the peoples misery because then your part of the problem.

[@onetwo19]

It took a while for doctors to find the right combination for drugs to help me and I am most grateful that I didn't just give up as you did.

[@marisedekock2543]

Well, it sounds like you diagnosed the whole thing quite well. Will you operate on your wife too when it's time for minor surgery- you make it sound soooo easy. No medical treatment required.

[@nerd7432]

ONE TWO you are fricken triggered clearly they didn’t work since you’re here

[@plumeria66]

ONE TWO Please come back in 10 years and let us know if your health has deteriorated and your brain has been altered. Because these are what the drugs do. Of course, you might just blame it on a new health issue. But it's related.

[@jackieo6882]

@@marisedekock2543 really? His wife had a horrible reaction to the medications and is doing better now being off of them. Are u a medical doc or in the profession somehow bc it sure sounds like it. You are a great example of what Will said about the idea of professional closure

[@williamvaughan1218]

One of the biggest causes of alleged mental illness is the rising costs of just trying to live in today's society.

[@LibertasOrationis]

I don't think you have faced down real mental illness.. why do you say alleged?

[@williamvaughan1218]

@LibertasOrationis I know from experience what legal prescription drugs can do to people. Antidepressants freely given out totaly wrecked my ex girlfriends mind, and as a result, I became a single father. I'm married now, but the damage caused we are still dealing with. These drugs can actually make people crazy and permanently alter your personality. They likely will not even realize it's happening to them and will tell you my doctor prescribed them so it isn't the drugs. Now, they can reinforce that argument with DNA tests tailored prescriptions. Normal people that may just be going through a difficult time in life, which can be very stressful turn to a doctor and become Victims of the for profit pharmaceutical industry.

[@mariebyrne2896]

I’ve thought that the medications people take are responsible for so much mental health disorders for a long time so it’s good to hear you confirm it. People usually start taking a medication for something relatively simple and it’s a downward spiral from there.

[@katieb2098]

Everyone who's had a hard childhood or that has been sexualy abused will meet the criteria for "borderline " that in itself is evil. . You were abused, now let's say you have a flawed personality. Better yet ,it's a disorder that makes people look at you as non human ,and their will always be a stigma. ALWAYS.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

True. The problem is always with the individual, never with the system in which the individual lives or grew up with. "Never question the status quo. It's always your fault. Now take these pills and shut up." ..

[@EmbraceTerror]

Yup! Label and drug the person who received the harm, but leave the harmer to harm more and again.

[@sabinagatti7978]

@@EmbraceTerror 🙏

[@vickygreenplate113]

I agree with that. We have a personality. Each of us have a background that created that personality. My family endured difficult things. They weren't without scars. That's said, I don't parent the way they did.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Take up agape love, and as Frederick Douglass said - work, work, work!

[@lachlansmith7635]

This video misses the whole point. Depression is just a symptom that has many known causes (too much stress, too little money, too little social contact, poor nutrition, feeling unable to change your future - they are the main ones). To heal the patient you need to treat the cause. Antidepressants work for situational depressed people BUT after 8 months max, the benefits decline. Whats left is an altered body which is not calibrated as nature intended. As a long term taker 13 + yrs I am learning the hard way how harmful these drugs are to take in the long run. Doctors ask patients to come off in 3 weeks when it takes 3 months for these biological systems to readjust - no wonder crippling anxiety and a return of depression is what often follows. If you go on these drugs and are off within 2 years you are one of the lucky ones. Depression is very rarely a life-long sentence, if it becomes a lifelong illness - you can put 90% of the blame on the drug for creating this abnormal brain function.

[@clausmehl8731]

God bless you.

[@gustavagenbacht6600]

Makes perfect sense to me, Lachlan.

[@chrislong1287]

Someone who actually put thought into what he watched. Balanced thinking is rare. It seldom one or other

[@Medietos]

Right, I got one "med" with a side-effect of suicide... and an spiritually oriented, idealistic acquaintance killed himself on anti-depressants. It took me 2 years of work and help in DAA to be able to get off them. Even sensible Drs had told me, I must take them for life, couldn't do without. When I quit, the black rings around my eyes disappeared, the bad red skin disease,the cramping pains over my lungs/back. And one easily starts to get lazy with the fatigue and don't do the real healing/change work. I am so grateful for my Creator, the members of DAA that helped me off. But the massive abuse damage on me is too great, complex and long-term for me to handle and turn around myself, it seems, and others aren't interested, knowing and attentive enough to see and get me. I could have healed 20, 30 years ago with proper support, instruction and therapy. Not some nice but ignorant, inefficient psychologist leading me nowhere.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

My anti-depressants were useless from the word "go". (Prescribed them at 16 in 1985). The most noticeable effect was that they later ruined my sex life by causing inorgasmia, from which I never fully recovered. The filth those sods put me on.

[@ceceliawhite620]

Oops! Did I forget to mention Dr. Breggin is a psychiatrist practicing for over 40 years. Has never prescribed a psychiatric drug to his patients and has not had a single suicide occur under him!! Check him out. There should be more like him. He has a genuine concern for his patients.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

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[@Medietos]

How did he do that,-giving every patient psych-therapy? And / or nutritional Balancing? I'd love to know. Also how he fared among his colleagues. A beloved MD said tome " These drugs are only to be taken for 1 week, after that, one should find out what the cause of the insomnia is"And: "you are not a patient one puts on drugs". MEd. Drugs are for ppl who don't want to do the work of healing.

[@jbird4478]

@@Medietos He doesn't fare well among his colleagues. He's seen as an outsider, and often not really taken serious. Apart from being very critical about psychotropic drugs, he's also vehemently against forced treatment, which is a very common thing in psychiatry. He's somewhat of a hero among people like me though, so called "survivors" of forced treatment in mental institutions. You're lucky with that MD. Many would convince patients they have some sort of imbalance in their brain and they need the medication. "It's like insulin for diabetes" they often say.

[@Medietos]

@@jbird4478: Thanks, and I wish that fine psychiatrist saw your positive comment. Do you know a way to help someone stuck in psych drugging that induces low-psychosis in paranoid "schizophrenic" induced by drug use 35 years ago, without interfering with his freedom, rights and personal choice? He is stuck and has been made severely burnt out by their deceptive make-believe and withheld actual psychical treatment and real support. Since I am a trauma victim from the same childhood as he too,(sister) he may not realize that i can have knowledge and abilities to help him despite being stuck in Co-dependency, sickness and imbalance myself, much due to lack of support and social interaction and meaningful company. He wants off drugs - but without changing life-style and doing the work it takes. The will power, faith, sense of one's real self, joy of life, courage, sec urity and confidence get twisted and weakened too, of course. Have you managed to keep your crown and have a life? Best regards.

[@jbird4478]

@@Medietos I am a paranoid schizophrenic myself, or at least that's what they diagnosed me as. I manage without medication, but I did still have two psychotic episodes since I stopped using them 10 years ago. While I was still using them however, I was psychotic pretty much half the time. Unfortunately, there is no known cure. Some people heal over time, but we don't really know how. As a relative, the best thing you can do when someone is psychotic, is spend time with him, and - importantly - avoid talking about his psychosis or delusions as much as possible. Just try to do fun things, divert his attention away from his delusions. The more attention you give it, the further it occupies his mind. And - if you have that possibility - take him away from his environment, e.g. go camping for a while. I don't know about quitting the drugs without changing lifestyle. When I stopped I did the exact opposite. I put myself under a strict routine of exercise, a healthy diet, cleanliness and rest. That takes a strong motivation and will-power. If you know something he loves doing, or would love to do, encourage him. Wanting to quit drugs may not do it in itself. It is a lot easier if you want something else that drives you to stop using. For me, that was simple. I had fallen in love and wanted a family. Others want to pursue a career, travel to places, or simply love playing soccer. Try to find what makes him spark.

[@mercys1412]

It used to be that pastors, teachers, friends and family were our counselors and people only sought psychologists for severe cases. Now is the opposite. Friends, family, pastors, teachers have no clue what is really going on with people because people are not going to them and instead rushing to the professional therapist who is detached from that person’s daily life and only making judgment calls based on theory, what the client is saying and what the industry wants.

[@ShatabdiDasQVGTA]

Yeah it’s really sad. It’s like you can’t rely on anyone anymore

[@brandyk]

​@@ShatabdiDasQVGTA yes and I think it becomes cyclical. Years ago when seeing a therapist for day to day problems or even trauma or serious problems had more stigma attached to it less people went n some instead opened up more with friends and family. Once there was less stigma people understandably felt they didn't want to be a burden on friends n family so they started talking to a therapist. Over time people got used to not hearing friend's problems or grief so occasionally when someone tried to they were not too good at it n both people probably felt they should see a professional for help. Now granted there are some things one would not want to discuss with even a close friend or family member n it's true they are not trained in psychotherapy but for the past 20 years at least true psychotherapy is not being performed by most counselors today. Not all but many people just need a good friend or two to talk things over with on a more personal n regular basis. Some people have this reciprocal relationship where they can share but so many people don't today.. that in itself is partly why they are depressed...even people with who have a few people in their life but it's superficial.

[@fllf3078]

Till we found out what the pastors were doing with the kids (esp boys).

[@dylanfultz23]

Yes, that’s why therapy and psychiatry in general are a useless and harmful pseudoscience. It doesn’t work period. Im tired of hearing them peddle the bs. I’m sure you all are.

[@9000ck]

Yes, people are more atomised and the power of religion in life is greatly diminished for a number of reasons.

[@glasgowkiwi]

What shall we blame for crippling sadness and madness? Don't blame the disconnection between people. Don't blame crony capitalism. Don't blame trauma and abuse. Don't blame unending growth on a finite planet and the resulting ecological nightmare. Don't blame sociopathic politicians and their interests in the arms industries. Instead, blame our brains and the curious mass malfunctioning that seems to be rampant these days.

[@jasonedenfield7189]

Great words...

[@laaaliiiluuu]

A common theme in society: Always blame the victim, never the abuser.

[@GreyOatmeal]

Here here.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Our culture must become Renaissance!

[@billybandyk0720]

@@laaaliiiluuu SPOT-ON!!!!!

[@WoRldLoveNow]

These men have hurt far more people than they have helped.good to see them admitting that they are dealers of bad drugs

[@edenwylie8917]

i cracked it. it's psychopaths. their condition is genetic and evolved around exploiting empathy through language. the estimate of 1% might as well have been pulled out of a hat as they can not be studied. there could be as many as 5% of them. they collect in positions of power as they outcompete others and it is clear to me that psychiatry is a field that is saturated with psychopaths. they can identify each other. there is only one conspiracy that matters and it is both ancient and global.

[@beataannanowak659]

According to the news some children in the U.S. foster care are on psychotropics

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

@@beataannanowak659 no one should One

[@mardishores4016]

It's not just psychiatrists. Primary care doctors are just as responsible.

[@mardishores4016]

@@edenwylie8917 not to defend psycopaths however does it occur to people that psycopaths have been brutally abused as children,? How can any child be expected to not play out what horrible things done to them as infants and children by parents, other family members, their friends, in a multi-generational dysfunctional family. Society is also responsible. Not defending psychiatrists. They are ignorant, as even other healthcare agencies are, because even THEY are often crippled by these drugs. Religion is also responsible Where else do people find an excuse for hatred of homosexuals, lesbians, sexism, mutilation of men and women's sex organs, advocating the beating of children, blah, blah.. Then being threatened to suffer eternal torment in hell, after horrific suffering hell in life. The so called Holy Bible does not portray 'god' as loving. No longer believe God exists. No good reason to believe in God. The bible has so many contradictions that it cannot be inspired by a god we are commanded to love. Don't believe in 'sin'. Thousands of gods for thousands of years. All humanity suffers.. then we look forward to being judged on some future date. Jesus supposedly said to people that there would be some still alive when the son of man would return with his legions of angels. So, does that mean some people are over 2000 years old walking around today?. Too many errors to be the inerrant 'Word of God. This life is all I have. No desire to 'go to heaven to be with family, or former spouse, or any one else. As I see it, I knew nothing before birth and nothing after I die. I'm okay with it. My brain and every other organ have been irreversibly damaged by these poisons. Told I had to be on them all my life for bi polar 'disorder'. Over 35 yrs on them. Have dementia, parkinsonian symptoms, tardive dyskinesia that has affected my facial muscles and diaphragm, intestines, muscles, on and on.. tried to kill myself from benzodiazepines withdrawal syndrome, depression, depersonalization, on and on. When I had cancer I was afraid of dying.. because of these drugs, I want to die.Am crippled for life. Bye...

[@8beef4u]

Kinda funny that the guy arguing for drugs is ceo of a pharma company lol

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

Not really he crazy not stupid

[@stevekaylor5606]

Too moneyed, lauded and hubristic to think!

[@joewash5942]

Of course. What would you expect?

[@psychiatry-is-eugenics]

Any debate about psychiatry talks about medication ; and a myriad of other bs Never talks about the fact that people are denied REAL HELP with basic needs

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

psychiatry is eugenics kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2axoZmEr8mqg7s

[@psychiatry-is-eugenics]

goertzpsychiatry - you want me to watch your videos ? For what purpose ? First psychiatrists I went to tried to get me to take medications that cause tardive dyskinesia . I know this because in my file it said that I was told that the medications would cause tardive dyskinesia . They lied - they told me - dry mouth - like the side effects would be no big deal . I would be dead or Worse if I let shrinks drug me . look at my name - PSYCHIATRY IS EUGENICS - you know that better than I do

[@slugwoman]

I totally agree, community is healing, talking is healing, food is healing when you're hungry, shelter is healing when you're homeless, livable wages are healing when you need to provide for yourself an others...psychiatry is truly eugenics

[@rodofiron1583]

@Psychiatry is eugenics So true. German psychiatry followed Rockefeller funded eugenics education and had proposed involuntary euthanasia programs BEFORE Hitler came to power. This profession needs to be avoided like the plague although there may be the odd one who is not a psychopathic sadist, like Dr Peter Breggin. The whole history of psychiatry is shrouded in evil and inhumane practices. Enough said.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

@@rodofiron1583 Too many doctors are control-seeking psychopaths who are just empty on the inside themselves.

[@movadoband]

a medical doctor who has never experienced poverty or negative discrimination would not be able to understand the depression of someone who has experienced these things, it's an arrogant point of view.

[@whynot7802]

How easy is that to talk when u dont suffer from mental issues..finally a normal comment over here

[@stevekaylor5606]

Hubristic denial!

[@DJOsocialOnline]

@@whynot7802 Everybody suffers from mental issues it's a very arrogant pov that they don't. It's also very arrogant pov how people in wheelchairs are pointed at as having it easier. most of us in chairs live with chronic pain and illness every single day. What do you think the natural result of that is? Depression of course. It's not an illness it's a natural byproduct of not having a day off till the day we die with pain and illness.

[@annabell3385]

Right, it is situational depression. A poor person doesn't need a pill, they need an opportunity to make more money.

[@Blonde111]

Excellent talk… my mom presented w depression as well as many other illnesses, was put on an antidepressant that supposedly had pain alleviation as well, she plummeted, wouldn’t eat, drink or take her meds. Was bed bound and slept all day. I became alarmed and immediately had her taken off. She is now back to her baseline, eating, drinking, taking meds, walking w assistance. These meds has so many side effects and should be absolutely contraindicated in the elderly.

[@leighatkins22]

Nothing that a pharmaceutical representative in the area of psychiatry could possibly have to say, will ever convince me that they have anything to contribute to my mental health, not after MY experience of their toxic brain chemicals...

[@theharshtruthoutthere]

Turn to bible and allow CHRIST to be your therapist, psychologist and psychiatrist. No man nor women fits to be one. All are sinners and without glory, all are tempted and suffer the same. All are expected to REPENT AND BORN AGAIN, to LIVE HOLY AND GO AND SIN NO MORE. All are weak in the daily fight between their spirit and flesh. All these therapist, psychologist and psychiatrist, this world provides, can do is: to deceive and steal. They deceived you through all these “diagnoses” and they steal your money, through all the pills which you “need”. In short: they poison your mind and your overall health, leaving you with neither one. Therapist, Psychologist and Psychiatrist = Field where no human soul, never ever going to fit of being an help, no matter the among of years spend in “medical schools” or the decree gotten from there. ALL of us are daily deceived, no matter the walks of life.

[@leoniddavidov5863]

Psychiatry is inherently criminal. According to the goals and objectives that it is intended to solve. Not breaking psychiatric rules is a crime. Compliance with psychiatric rules is a crime.

[@thereGoMapo]

there has to be more transparency and there has to be more accountability in the pharma and medical industry...

[@stevekaylor5606]

Financialization overwhelms accountability; transparency is wordy and Delphic!

[@billybandyk0720]

thereGoMapo; Accountability must also b levied against the Mental Health System/Industry (a.k.a.: Psychiatry/Behavioral Health).

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@billybandyk0720 Either give someone the talent training he needs - so he can develop a Cathexis or else it's 2nd Degree Assault!

[@annabell3385]

I think they created the HIPPA laws to protect themselves, because they certainly don't protect us. If you read the fine print, which I always do, they make you sign that HIPPA paper which states that they can basically share your information with anyone they feel like.

[@fllf3078]

The billions in profits are transparent.

[@alisonbrockbank6677]

It took me a very long time to get off ssri drugs. Several attempts were made over 3 years. I wouldn’t consider taking them again. They weren’t particularly effective either.

[@Stratman389]

First rule of psychiatry - do not question psychiatry, second rule of ........

[@fuckyoutubengoogle2]

Those shrinks are monsters.

[@paxdriver]

Summary notes: I don't know what's more horrifying, mental illness itself or the need for people to profit from the industry. Literally horrifying the more you witness from each.

[@mandlenkosihlazo977]

The latter is fueling the former.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@mandlenkosihlazo977 Yes, down-and-out people are given denouncing disease-like labels - to make them into long-term cash cows. With Canada's MAID program, non-profitable Mental Patients may be given lethal injections, beginning on 3/1/23. This is Germany's Tiergarten 4 Program, from the 1930s!

[@mandlenkosihlazo977]

@@stevekaylor5606 Thats the plan. These people have chosen money as their god. Anyone whom money can't be made from somehow has to be gotten rid of.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@mandlenkosihlazo977 Yes - money, the fostering of cultural degeneracy, dominance, hegemony - all for the British led Western financial oligarchy, their Davos billionaires, the EU bankers' dictatorship, the Military-Monetary Complex and their sycophants. Feudal hegemony, via a Unipolar order - without any sovereign nations is their god!

[@mandlenkosihlazo977]

@@stevekaylor5606 I wonder how China will fit into their sick plan..The Chinese seem to be focused on their own agenda of world dominance.

[@FIZZGIG-RARF]

When i was 15, my pediatrician gave me Zoloft because she got a kickback. Every time I went in and told her it wasn't working, she just upped it. I was on such a massive dose that I ended up cutting myselft because I couldn't feel anything. SSRIs don't help my downs, they just prevent me from having ANY highs. I was standing in my backyard after winning an award and i felt nothing. I finally stopped and that was one of the best decisions I've ever made! GPs should never be allowed to prescribe psychiatric meds!!!

[@covegirl06]

I am trying to understand how different people feel emotions and how drugs affect emotions. Could you explain more specifically what you mean by cutting yourself because you couldn’t feel anything? I’ve never experienced this so It’s difficult for me to wrap my head around. Are you saying that if someone punched you in the stomach, you’d barely notice the pain?

[@tudorrenegade7052]

I see psychiatrists managed to lie their way here. It's a sad show !

[@stevekaylor5606]

Into careers that make down-and out people into cash cows!

[@bb.w7450]

Psychology is a industry...in some cases of death..

[@yark618]

BB. W psychiatry, yes. Psychology doesn’t involve drugs.

[@swissmapping426]

@Zlar Vixen PSychiatry and psychology is pretty much the same bullshit

[@stephengitau1830]

They are not the same you cockwomble.

[@jacobytes6564]

@@swissmapping426 Psychiatry involves prescribing chemicals, psychology involves analysis and advice, without the drugs. Huge difference.

[@mardishores4016]

@@yark618 they refer you to a psychiatrist.lol (sarcasm.. not lol)

[@kittymmcdermott]

How did Wessely's wife get hold of the microphone so quickly? Something feels off about that pair, and about the whole set-up.* I think Mrs Wessely was demonstrating a behaviour that is more commonly described as "narcissistic rage" when she made her "contribution" to the debate. It wasn't a question; it wasn't really an observation. It was just a weird, entitled, brattish, self-righteous rant, completely preposterous in the context of a formal debate in which she was not even a participant. Her comment wasn't really about the patients, it was about their collective matrimonial ego. She wasn't sticking up for anyone suffering from depression, she was sticking up for herself. She'd call it compassion, I'm sure, like she has the monopoly on it. A subjective and erroneous view. She doesn't have the monopoly on compassion. And shouting people down while claiming the moral high ground is ... manipulative and shitty behaviour which would not be tolerated from anyone without her connections. I'm embarrassed for them both. He put his hands over his eyes in a infantile pose while she spoke, like he was a small child. Creepy. The chair was an arse. Why on earth was he going on about a bottle of Burgundy like it mattered? I suppose he thought it did. Dick. It would have been depressing to watch, only it was strangely comical, too. Wessely's pretence of empathy and concern was utterly transparent, yet it seems like 52% of the audience had, as Will Self pointed out, surrendered any objectivity in a desperate need to be "professionals in a field". Scary shit. If they can't follow the parameters of a simple debate without lying and obfuscating,without deluding themselves ... how can we trust them to care about those who are really suffering? How objective are they really going to be? How helpful? Or damaging? * I just realised that sounded like conspiracy theory tin-hat tin paranoia. Like Will Self, I don't think there's a conspiracy! I just think some very shitty people have got too much power. And we need to challenge them and change things.

[@MrsBonfire]

...like she had a monopoly on it. Lol. Pair of them ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[@mistral4303]

It was like a mother sticking up for her 6 year old son being called names by the neighbourhood kids. All a bit embarrassing to watch.

[@joybunny1980]

exactly how many were family members undecided that voted on their behalf

[@destinyluv8828]

😳

[@destinyluv8828]

You sound very passionate!

[@dunklaw]

People who went onto placebo after 2 months were probably experiencing withdrawal symptoms being interpreted as a relapse.

[@oopalonga]

I know I can't believe that numb nut made that point. . .if she can't see the possibility of withdrawal he definitely shudnt be a researcher

[@hiya1399]

Bingo.

[@rodofiron1583]

Precisely….it’s a fkn minefield

[@fllf3078]

the withdrawal is VERY REAL and very scary.

[@TheKetsa]

You can see the evil in these drug pushers.

[@acgillespie]

So damn evil and stupid they look evil and stupid. perfect for the jobs

[@edenwylie8917]

i cracked it. it's psychopaths. their condition is genetic and evolved around exploiting empathy through language. the estimate of 1% might as well have been pulled out of a hat as they can not be studied. there could be as many as 5% of them. they collect in positions of power as they outcompete others and it is clear to me that psychiatry is a field that is saturated with psychopaths. they can identify each other. there is only one conspiracy that matters and it is both ancient and global.

[@mandlenkosihlazo977]

@@edenwylie8917 Psychiatry is a pseudo-science.. Pharmacy comes from the Greek word "Pharmakeia"..It means 'sorcery"...Witchcraft. It's in the bible.

[@glitteryvieweraltray4369]

@@edenwylie8917 why did you type the same comment twice?

[@stevekaylor5606]

Psychiatrists are good with positivist assertions and implorations!

[@humanperson8418]

When Dr. James Davies stood up to ask a question, I cheered.

[@Sophiedorian0535]

"Symptoms have been taken for disorders in themselves". Yep. That indeed is the problem. And the motives are clear: there are no curative psychiatric drugs available on the market as of yet. There is only medication in the form of symptom treatment. It helps the pharma business to equate mental illness to specific à la carte clusters of symptoms.

[@Theworldisreal]

Sophie Dockx got the point..

[@FrediFromm]

True. But for today its just really help me live normal. And yees i mean work, sleep, new reationships etc.

[@onetwo19]

How is this different from meds for diabetes, heart conditions etc. I take psychotropic meds and they gave me my life back.

[@Hitit123]

@Galderik Don't feed this troll.

[@b.j.banditt206]

@Persons Name SPOT-ON U R!!!!!

[@williamf.buckleyjr3227]

Here's my question: How come no one gets cured?? These "chemical imbalances", my good doctors, are never....balanced, why is that?? And DO NOT begin your answer with "It's complicated" or "It's complex". First all, to determine an "imbalance", wouldn't one have to know what defines "balance"??

[@whynot7802]

Doctors say that its not a cure.its something to ease the symptoms and that u have to work on yourself and go to therapy. So u probably like to hear what u want cause u r brain washed by ppl who think they know better than actual doctors

[@mysty0]

@@whynot7802 generally when you chemically labotomize somebody the previously seen symptoms are gone

[@DJOsocialOnline]

It is the only branch of medicine that offer no cures.

[@DJOsocialOnline]

Generally? Well there is a huge placebo effect for any branch of medicine. I took anti psychotics for decades and they did nothing but harm me. And that is true for many cases.

[@SydneyDiva]

@@mysty0 but new, worse symptoms begin!

[@lordhough-smith1328]

I helped a few people off of pharmaceuticals, helped them handle their emotions and stressors themselves with no medication.. Then I met a woman who had just dropped all 8 pharmaceuticals at the same time, DON'T PANIC, I assisted her for over 2 weeks as her body flushed out the pharmaceutical toxins... Guess what happened! She lost 30lbs of weight(was obese), her tree nut allergy vanished, edema vanished, and amongst other troubles that subsided... DIABETES GONE! Follow-up studies revealed that at least 3 of the pharmaceuticals were the causers of hyperglycemia...

[@rosebudd1269]

Please send me your details

[@getmyvibe762]

how would you flush out all the toxins?

[@100consciouseternallightho6]

@@getmyvibe762 I saw a DVD that said to stop diabetes is to stop eating all processed foods. They are full of sugars and other toxic chemicals. Drink lots of water. Wash off all the sweat, don't let it dry on your body. Exercise a lot because toxins will come out with the sweat.

[@stevekaylor5606]

You also believed in her potential - which psychiatrists do not!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@100consciouseternallightho6 Physical fitness exercise is essential for everyone!

[@learningtogrowinChrist]

"They work because we have faith in them, we the people have faith they work" What a line

[@stevekaylor5606]

Positivist assertions!

[@annabell3385]

People on antidepressants are still depressed but think it would be worse without the pills. We have all been trained to "trust your doctor" since birth.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@annabell3385 Most doctors are technicians, who enact what they have memorized. They have to be prompted to become scientists and also arrange for aesthetic training!

[@EBR1]

Studies have actually shown that anti depressants are only slightly more effective than placebo. Look it up.

[@TheNikyca]

I experienced this when I was 13 years old. It took me a long time to recover... my life stopped for almost a decade after their "treatment". I used to be a happy sociable girl, i just didn't like their institutional way of learning. They got me into the mental hospital and i was forced to take multiple different tablets for 2 months, the last one being antidepressants and some other pills (second ones are nowadays used in horses) which they prescribed to treat my "emotional disorder". When discharged i tried to suicide with those same pills, i took about 120 tablets and ended up in a hospital thanks to my mom saving me I was in a coma for a couple of days. Since then i have been taken back to the psych hospital and been discharged a couple of times,I tried to suicide 2 more times up until i was 15. I was like a zombie, who wished to vanish from this world, and luckily over time i completely stopped using those drugs and would never wish to take any of these again! I cant really believe benzos or anything are so easily given to people and children nowadays.

[@nihil8436]

Exactly, these drugs make people ill and lifelong customers, as they never get better, if they don't kill themselves first that is.

[@stoiccrane4259]

Guinea pigs. They treat the kids like guinea pigs, label them, and drug them young to create a long-term consumer base.

[@jbird4478]

You're far from the only one. I've been given forced medication in an institution as well. I was kept there for 18 months, and so I've seen people come and go a lot. They almost always leave in way worse state then when they got in. They get in psychotic, they go out still psychotic but barely noticeable to the outside world because they're drugged out zombies by then. Out of the people I kept in touch with, only the ones who got of the drugs afterwards are doing good. The ones that kept using the medicine are still bouncing in and out of institutions.

[@dodo3366]

Hi Nikolina your story is important .Please continue to advocate for others trapped in this system.I nearly got trapped but didnt as I was a medical student and I also got lucky or maybe God sent an indian doctor who immediatly saw I was suffering from delayed grief.Lots of love

[@BL-sd2qw]

May I ask: why did they put you in a psych ward? You said you didn't like their institutional way of learning. You mean school? You said they put you in the psych ward to treat you "emotional disorder". What did they think you had? What is that "emotional disorder" you are talking about? Did something happen? Why do you think they thought you had an "emotional disorder"?

[@asoulalignedhowgodhealshis6682]

The people "treating" are usually sicker than the patients. They clearly don't have a solution for healing.

[@dewaynestafford5507]

Depression is derived from the erroneous mental conclusion that there is nothing can be done about current circumstances. The second drug dealer speaker has no clue.

[@yark618]

DeWayne Stafford nothing except pop some pills ofc

[@ryublueblanka]

That's a very general statement you made about depression.

[@ryublueblanka]

@Sparky Z Not only is that beyond the most ridiculous of generalizations but also in insane assumption! And Nazis?! Wow...you are brainwashed on top of that. Yeah the Nazis...histories fantasy and comic book boogymen with Hitler histories greatest cartoon super villain. People have been sad for 1000's of years...how do you know that?! And being sad is a normal human emotion! Psychiatry is one of the worst things going for man kind it has nothing more than a failed history of corruption and human rights violations. I am writing a book on this issue an am hoping to drop a bomb on the psychiatric big pharma industry with the book. Anyway... something you should really research and dive into is World War 2 Jewish Holocaust revision...good luck on finding much on KZbin about it because it's all deleted or buried under filters and censorship. 17 countries in Europe have made it illegal to investigate or even question this mythology. Did you know that the creator of the lobotomy procedure won a Nobel prize for it?!

[@arioneich8679]

@@ryublueblanka And yet it's an accurate statement. "Depression" is an ill-defined and nebulous term to begin with, and it comes down to mere semantics. What they want to 'diagnose' as 'depression' is simply part of EVERY normal life and part of the human condition; ever heard of a 'mid-life' crisis? It's an entirely NORMAL struggle for meaning in your life that doctors can not help you with. And there are many other terms for normal feelings about the situation of your life, that have been with us since the beginning of civilization and have been wrestled with by every great mind, from every great religion and philosophy, since before the ancient Greeks, all the way back to the dawn of human civilization. Believing that a pill from a doctor can give you the answer is, in my opinion, the epitome of foolishness and insanity, but there there has always been a 'snake oil' industry to capitalize on it, and there always will be, so let the buyer beware..

[@arioneich8679]

The second drug dealer has an ulterior motive (corruption and greed).

[@bb.w7450]

What happened to do no harm..

[@omarthearab81]

Doctors and Psychiatrists get certain commission for prescribing specfic anti-depressants which tells me that this can be so wrong.

[@ryankelly8077]

The Whole Year INN - lmao no they don’t 😂 that’s illegal AF..

[@onetwo19]

Do doctors not get commissions from drugs for diabetes or heart conditions or ALS ?? Don't you think that is wrong?You don't give a shit about those. Why are you only concerned about the psychiatric meds? Psychiatric meds gave me my life back! Do you care about that??

[@brittsouthworth1372]

@@ryankelly8077 actually they do. It’s legal. You can check and see online if your doctor has accepted commission. They can accept commission but it legally has to be documented

[@henrymorse4288]

@@ryankelly8077 you

[@henrymorse4288]

Why take drugs that don’t work?! Why take drugs that don’t get you high? What is the point of the farce of dealing with this “ alleged “ depression “ . None of these men have anything to say. They deal with the natural not the supernatural and thui them into

[@rondadunlap1188]

As a healthcare professional I strongly disagree with throwing a pill at mental illness. We live in a very difficult society. Full of toxins, child sexual abuse and rapid changes in technology. Housing is unaffordable for many families. Many families split up, illegal drug use, lack of strick moral rules and on and on. There is a great deal of anxiety and depression and with good reason. However, the drugs that you think are ok to treat these symptoms are the problem. They have horrible, horrible side effects and this is a topic you have not covered. It would be better to be dead than suffer the long term side effects of almost any of these drugs. And in addition, many of the anticonvulsants you are prescribing and treating depression with have actually increased the rate of suicide for these depressed patients. No you don't have the time to actually deal with the problems so you medicate them with poison. You will never convince me that this is a solution.

[@mardishores4016]

Yup!

[@brandyk]

Excellent post n you being a healthcare professional gives it even more credibility than me.

[@antipsikiyatriKizi]

Healthcare system shouldn't have been clapped.

[@bobeden5027]

I could not think my way out of depression, I had to FEEL my way out!

[@stevekaylor5606]

Did you take up aesthetic training - like the Emphatic Talent Training of Howard Glasser and Peter Breggin?

[@foltyn_noah]

I thought my way out By believing it doesn't exist and I was right

[@sneakypress]

They are all very good at steering the debate away from the most important point, “poisoning by pharmaceutical drugs” !

[@DJOsocialOnline]

The guy in the tan suit lost me when he said suicide rates are dropping. They have never been so high.

[@SydneyDiva]

Ironically, suicide rates are growing with increased use of neuroleptics?! How can 'professionals' not see the correlation?

[@DJOsocialOnline]

@@SydneyDiva absolutely!

[@Nors2Ka]

Just a reminder that you are commenting on 5 year old video. And yes, I'm replying to 4 month old comment.

[@DJOsocialOnline]

@@Nors2Ka and the info on a five year old video is still relevant.

[@DJOsocialOnline]

@@SydneyDiva Many of these drugs for depression have on the warning paper about side effects: "Increased risk of suicide" you don't need to be a genius to figure it out do you? I'm not into whacky conspiracy theories as a rule but something just smells about it other than the big money though i know that would be motive enough. But if you want to control the people en masse what better way than to give drugs that alter their brains and minds?

[@walleyehunter1541]

Where is the discussion around proper nutrition, Chinese medicine, chiropractic care, Naturopathy. etc etc.

[@whynot7802]

Ummm its bullshit

[@walleyehunter1541]

@Galderik you first

[@stuffstuff137]

why not what about proper nutrition

[@hiya1399]

BigPharma cant make money off of those modalities. This is why it's ignored

[@muirgirl]

Those interventions require complex supervision, tapering, and an individualized holistic approach. That is not convenient for these selfish and impatient Pharma reps! Plus it is not a way to make a fortune.

[@nicolemurphy2629]

Will has it all sussed Agree with every word The best way to cure depression is too go for a 1-3 hour walk.

[@brandyk]

Well I wouldn't want to say that so.e meds or specific meds are not helpful to some people and the benefits outweigh not only the risks but the side effects both short n long term but there's also no doubt in my mind that the lack of physical exercise for most kids n young adults today is just another one of the many reasons why they have more incidences of anxiety n depression. Of course it's just one but something that is relatively easy to fix.

[@electricjellyfish375]

Completely unethical and evil.

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

Have to aggrge with you

[@swissmapping426]

Theyre satanic

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

I told the one who trsfed me that cause they never listedd to me

[@cjwill9920]

No behaviour or misbehaviour can be a disease

[@ponytales707]

Excellent and to the point. Thank you

[@stevekaylor5606]

No behavior or misbehavior may be construed as a disease - except for Mental Health professionals, who are still being allowed to use the DSM-5 to hand out disease-like labels, then drugs!

[@user-ql3ot2dk2t]

Psychiatry is an absolute crime! Crime in essence, according to tasks that it is intended to solve. Not a violation of psychiatric rules is a crime. Enforcing psychiatric rules is a crime.

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

Psychrsiasit stole My childhood and took My family member away from me

[@healthyone100]

i'm coming off zoloft and zyprexa the last 2 months and my depression has worsened along with suicide feelings but i still want to stay off its hard!

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

@@healthyone100 are you okay are you still alive?

[@healthyone100]

@@koalafromtomorrow5656 yes i'm still here i still fighting as hard as i can!

[@SeanConneryPimpShlap]

​@@healthyone100 Keep going, man! I don't know if this will help you, but I was really helped by reading "The Depression Cure" by Dr. Stephen Ilardi. Omega-3 supplements, bright light therapy, cycling and walking, connecting more with trusted family members, and the Mediterranean diet all did a lot to pull me out of a depressive episode.

[@WindydayHK]

DSM is a clear judgement of human's thoughts and feelings. try to give a "guideline" or "standard" to all human.

[@mikerawcliffe1718]

Thank you so much you you saved my life

[@martinzacok4374]

DSM is bullshit as a garden hole!!!

[@joylesliereimer5368]

Its politics to repress the people.

[@Native722]

A psychiatrist aruged with me about taking these nasty meds, straight up blew me off I told him about the nasty side effects. I should've told them to F off and left and never come back.

[@areuarealman7269]

I told mine today if you up my meds again I'll be in your bedroom forcing him too do the same thing and got kicked out of the clinic oh well.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Just say: I'm training to develop and dedicated mental and emotional cathexis - which is what Mental Health is!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@areuarealman7269 It is possible to Resign from their "care!"

[@capresti3537]

Tell them to take their own drugs.

[@badairdaynewyork5859]

Psychiatrists are far too likely to subconsciously use the vulnerable for their own sense of self, self-aggrandizement and gain. That makes me avoid them.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

Yes. I was told recently that in the 80s psychiatrists could get kudos by diagnosing schizophrenia, like notches on a bed post. Schizophrenia was rampant in the 1980s.

[@capresti3537]

They do it consciously knowing the harm they do others. Its done for power control and profits.

[@stevekaylor5606]

As cash cows!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@douglasfreeman3229 The DSM-5 is a big part of their justification! James Davies has a video about this.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@DAWN001 I was never aware of university students calling majors as cash cows. I guess people are more honest with their informal conversation - this makes it even more egregarious, when psychiatrists + regular doctors rubberstamp disease-like labels, force neurotoxic drugs/ECT, cause Tardive Kinesia and long term financialization onto underlings - all the while claiming they are Helping people. This has also been degrading the culture in the U.S., Canada, Germany, etc. - since reducing down-and-out people into animals is yet being accepted! / Yan, have you seen my other comments and replies here, and to James Davies, Peter Breggin, the CCHR, etc.? Yours, Steve Kaylor; B.S. Psychology, CCHR member / P.S. The people who are being allowed to run the Mental Health Industry are 100% ethical via Standard of Care, yet completely immoral. During my conversations with them, they reply with positivist assertions & implorations. When I point out what this Industry is effectively doing to people - they reply with emphatic smears and blazing indignation. I continue to write to the Mental Health Committees of the NY Legislature + write to Breggin et.al., while participating in CCHR FL Baker's Act videos. I'd love to debate some psychiatrists - they are too ideological, hubristic, moneyed or controlled to bother guiding patients to develop a dedicated cathexis - which is what mental health is. All I would need to do is expose what they're doing in 1 or 2 debates!

[@sm7657]

I think the most important and critical skill after learning how to walk and use the restroom - IS to be able to detect GASLIGHTING -- because if we did learn it then THEY who GASLIGHT would not be able to get away with it …. After spending years and years reading about GASLIGHTING , I can start to detect it and withdraw from these people . (Surprisingly all the doctors who GASLIT me were WOMEN -- so much for supporting feminism and female solidarity …)

[@waltdill927]

Psychiatry is constantly working outside of its element -- mental health and pharmaceutical solutions are fantasies contrived by the patient and the profession. I have never been diagnosed with the same condition twice by any competent medical authority, yet I know that I am not normal; after a while, you realize that as patient, you know vastly more than the psychiatrist about your "problem". It is this: You are saner than you think, and the doctor is not sick enough. It is a strange and beautiful kind of art, really.

[@stevekaylor5606]

The construct that distracted or depressed people have a Chemical Imbalance was made up by Gregory Bateson - husband to Margaret Mead! Jeffery Schaler cut to the quick with: " Show me the Chemical Balance Tests! "

[@No-xs1no]

Based on your profile pic, I'm guessing you're histrionic.

[@marym7547]

That reminds me, I must read this book properly that I purchased... 'Cracked, Why psychiatry is doing more harm than good' by James Davies. Why is psychiatry such big business? Why are so many psychiatric drugs prescribed?

[@laaaliiiluuu]

You answered your question "why is psychiatry such a big business?" with the question itself: Because it is a big business!

[@jmd42jmd46]

My elderly mom now has tardive dyskinesia. Chronic foot, mouth, and head movements. She was put on Clonazepam for sleep and Amitriptyline for bladder pain. Her brother was put on Seroquel for sleep in another part of the country. I heard his voice on the phone and there was no emotion in it. He sounded like a robot. These drugs ARE overprescribed in America. What is wrong with "just giving them a pill"? SIDE EFFECTS. Our suicide rate has gone way up instead of down so makes you wonder how well all the diagnosing and medication is really doing. I am seeing a huge number of younger people being diagnosed with some kind of mental illness. I am also witnessing people today gossiping by diagnosing their coworkers, or people they don't like at a party with some kind of mental health "disorder". "She is bipolar" because she gets upset one day at work when normally easy to get along with or "He has explosive personality disorder" because he raised his voice at a party. It's as if people want to think that nobody ever gets angry or upset. Isn't the default for survival often some kind of fear? Fight or flight? No, it's not fair to blame everything on the parent, but it isn't fair to blame a person who has moods as mentally ill either.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

I still get dyskinesia in my legs and arms 20 years after coming off meds.

[@mardishores4016]

It affected my diaphragm. I cant even breathe normally. And twitches in my mouth. The akasthesia is the worst. I tried to kill myself several times on benzos.

[@calliecat1191]

I agree

[@annabell3385]

You are so right. The Positive Thinking movement, or pressure, ostracizes anyone who can't keep a good attitude about life and be grateful even in the face of horrible illness and loss. This isolates the suffering and crates a gap in communication. If the suffering we're able to discuss problems with regular people, instead of just doctors they have to pay, it would raise awareness about a lot of important issues, imo. People usually can't discuss anything serious at the risk of being a "downer." That's what I have noticed, anyway.

[@brandyk]

​@@annabell3385 you are very astute. I experienced this in my own life at around 40 with friends I had for 10-20 years and of course it was very hurtful to lose these friends, many of whom were related.. Now when you're already down,losing all of your friends at that age will leave you doubting yourself for sure bc of course fhey will not say this is the reason, they probably dont even want to admit it to themselves. They were all reasonably good people in many other ways and people are innately looking to view themselves as good people. But I was always able to grasp on to that part of me that knew better. Knew that I deserved better and it was their failure not mine. Over the next 10 years I read articles or comments on an article just by chance at times,not actively seeking them out about people who lost a spouse or child or got cancer later in life and friends that they had not for 4-5 years but like me 10-20...some even 30 slowly distanced themselves to the point where the friendship ended though maybe not even with an actual ending or disagreement. Now clearly these people likely didn't do anything so bad as to lose friends after so much time but their friends were emotionally immature n triggered themselves by sadness n fear of their own mortality n that of their loved ones. They also likely had that wanting to be happy n upbeat all the time syndrome lol. Look nobody wants to be around someone who makes mountains out of molehills or always seems to talk about problems with no appreciation of the good things one has n can't seem to ever find anything better to discuss but that is not what I'm talking about. I mean people who have time specific trials n tribulations in life that others likely have or will have at some point as the sun doesn't shine on the same dogs ass everyday but instead of friends n family being there for them they really aren't. So many now turn to medication n so called professionals n this is only getting worse as it's more n more common for people to not even have actual friends anymore in real life

[@uneannesanslumiere1]

Declan Doogan did you consider that your patients who seemed to 'improve' on Zoloft then were given a placebo may have 'relapsed' because they were actually experiencing withdrawals from the drug?

[@eva-marialocusteanu3621]

exactly! just like after taking party drugs you feel low and you re supposed to hang out with friends they day after (common knowledge) - I'm surprised no one else mentioned this

[@DarthMadV]

Yeah! What a dickhead! ... Your comment needs to be liked more, this is a very important point!

[@johnsondoeboy2772]

@@DarthMadV Agreed!!!

[@as-xb6gv]

Exactly!

[@koalafromtomorrow5656]

I know shatah spot on its withdrawal

[@juliem92116]

I feel badly for the Zoloft pusher. He's either so wrapped up in getting his massive paycheck and bonuses or he's so happy that he's never experienced these crappy drugs and sadly believes he's doing something good. I hope he can get some one on one talk therapy soon before he needs to start taking this crap.

[@forestspecter693]

Zoloft is particularly crappy because it can lead to permanent diarrhea as a "side-effect." Patients then go on to spend the rest of their lives being sick and probed at both ends. Who has been happy living on the porcelain throne?

[@kite6864]

I read that one time... to ask your psychiatrist if they take any of these drugs

[@kimjohnson8471]

@@kite6864 mine one time was honest with me and admitted he was on more meds than me!

[@timblock3483]

Zoloft is poison. Even the name is ominous.

[@beannamated]

@@kite6864 most do. MDs and healthcare workers are the highest drugged professions. MDs also have the highest suicide rate. See Pamela Wible MD for statistics and stories of suicide in MDs and med students.

[@nidarahman9600]

"What we have to advocate for is the right drug for the right patient at the right time." Or, we need to take a few steps back - how did the "patient" come to have this label attached to them. Could structural and political issues have played a role? What about adverse life events? There is a wealth of evidence which indicates that economic recession periods increase overall suicide rates, higher rates of psychosis are found in low socio-economic, unstable areas and childhood maltreatment is related to a range of mental illness cutting across the DSM diagnostic criteria. Focusing on the "patient" and their "illness" conveniently sweeps these issues under the rug, when they require our urgent attention.

[@marcusfenske2284]

Well put. By the end of 2020 everyone will have an "ia" labeled to their soul.

[@goertzpsychiatry9340]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2axoZmEr8mqg7s

[@edenwylie8917]

i cracked it. it's psychopaths. their condition is genetic and evolved around exploiting empathy through language. the estimate of 1% might as well have been pulled out of a hat as they can not be studied. there could be as many as 5% of them. they collect in positions of power as they outcompete others and it is clear to me that psychiatry is a field that is saturated with psychopaths. they can identify each other. there is only one conspiracy that matters and it is both ancient and global.

[@jazzyk4046]

That's too much work and many people, especially in modern, "soft" urban societies love convenience. It's convenient to blame it on "mental illness" and do nothing about the real situations behind it then to actually do something about it and practice high moral aspects such as patience, grit, and perseverance... Having an abundance mind instead of a lack mind and so on and so forth. It's easier to put a technical alien name to that natural human emotion, saying it is genetic and cannot heal, and that you'll just need to take xyz drugs for life and you'll be somewhat "okay".

[@psychepeteschannel5500]

@@edenwylie8917 You know, you could be right. That is a conspiracy that does not require crazy thinking. It is a natural process for psychopaths to converge around positions of power. And they are briliant and ruthless... and it also makes sense, that they would naturaly want to first control the field that would be the biggest threat to them.... I am shocked by this, but it seems possible.

[@hopefully2224]

Zoloft was prescribed to me as a new mother. I felt like an emotionless zombie!! That drug is evil. Disgusting!

[@snowps1]

One dose made me suicidal in 20 minutes!

[@kevinroy1736]

lexapro did the same thing to me

[@fllf3078]

You are the product.

[@robertloughran6740]

My fathers life was utterly destroyed by his Doctors continous presription of ever increasing doses of zanax and other drugs

[@capresti3537]

Psychiatrists destroy lives for profits. They're dangerous criminals.

[@capresti3537]

@HistoryBuff Of course not to protect themselves from lawsuits.

[@kaiyin3842]

I can’t agree with the title more! Psychiatry is evil!

[@bellakrinkle9381]

And World Leaders are not?

[@MajorKlanga]

Not one mention of diet eg over - consumption of sugar, additives and lack of vitamins and fibre.

[@Phin13760]

👍

[@alalouis1]

The FDA certainly has multiple persons who sit on approval panels that are stock holders in the drug companies whose products they review and approve

[@summerrainyt7429]

More people need to see this video. The threshold for any diagnosis theses days are so low, and psychiatrist are nothing but over-glorified drug dealers with little to no real understanding of human behavior that they have to follow a "standarized checklist" to force people into boxes. Most "diagnoses" are given based on "observation" alone, in other words prone to the personal interpretation/biases of the psychiatrists themselves. Ceratinly not very scientific, and gives way too much power to a single individual to judge whether someone is "normal" and/or needs to be confined against their will. The over-use of psychiatric terms and so-called increased awareness for mental illness has ironically "normalized" mental illnesses. Feeling suicidal after an extremely traumatic event? Go on anti-depressants. The psychiatric industry and pharmaceutical companies are extremely profitable. They feed on the masses that want a "quick fix" and believe they are "sick" and need something external, outside of themselves to fix themselves.

[@user-ql3ot2dk2t]

The worst thing is that the prerogative right to diagnose gives psychiatrists a terrible, uncontrolled power over a person.

[@Sarablueunicorn]

@@user-ql3ot2dk2t They have more power than a judge. With a phone call they can send cops to your place and lock you in against your will and remove all your civil and juridic rights. They will also force medication on you so you "comply" and later will send you the bill for locking you against your will and treat you lower than an animal.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Your "standardized checklist" is the best term I've heard for what hubristic-pathetic psychiatrists do. They put people into boxes handed down by DSM-5! Have you seen the James Davies' video on this contrived DSM? / If people are unable to enlist in aesthetic training classes, they can talent train themselves!

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@user-ql3ot2dk2t Psychiatrists are actually in a controlled environment - and refuse to think about what they are effectively doing to people!

[@annabell3385]

The way that these mental illnesses were created is also outrageous. About twelve guys made up a list of behaviors that they thought were undesirable and called that illness. That same list is expanded on periodically to create subcategories.

[@valeriefarley5174]

One of the speakers defending himself mentions " We dont know where depression comes from". Then youre not listening to your patience: depression comes from brain damage, excess of immobility, excess of stress, lack of compassion from social groups, childhood trauma...how could someone who makes THAT much money in this industry "not know where depression comes from". He also mentioned it COSTS Billions of dollars per year... I think what he is leaving out is that it costs the patience collectively billions of dollars per year. .

[@LibertasOrationis]

You are correct, we do know why it occurs.. and we do actually know how to resolve it also.. I am starting to think that the medical profession are just blindly ignorant.. because the answer is right in front of us..

[@polycrase]

There's your answer. Unfortunately so many of us are missing this connection. No such thing as brain chemical imbalance. It took nature hundreds of millions of years to develop the human brain. Do you think it came up with a chemically imbalanced apparatus? All human emotional problems come from what we do or do not do to each other.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

And what we do to ourselves: Self-talk, nutrition, exercise etc.

[@Yatukih_001]

How does a duck explain psychiatry to another duck? Easy answer......´quack´.

[@stoiccrane4259]

@21:28 The guy admitted pharmaceutical companies don't understand the causes or mechanisms of depression, so how can they create a solution to a problem they don't understand in pill form?! That guy is a con if I've ever seen one!

[@ceceliawhite620]

They should have had Dr. Peter Breggin MD. On the panel. He would have been on the right side arguing against Psychiatric drugs!!! I believe it’s true that pharma is the enemy in mental health!!!

[@onetwo19]

Obviously you have never been severely ill with a mental illness. The meds gave me my life back

[@ceceliawhite620]

Actually I did have a very serious episode of depression and anxiety a few decades ago. I did research on both those and found alternatives that did not include psychiatric drugs. I had a son that ultimately lost his battle with depression after numerous (psychiatric treatments, drugs). If the drugs work for you I’m glad for you. I don’t want to debate with you. My only objective is to equip people with what I’ve learned from professional doctors and public health and safety warnings published. Psychiatrists generally only treat depression, and anxiety and other mental disorders with medication. They don’t try to get to the underlying problem of what is causing these disorders. I hope the best for you. I’m sorry you suffer with depression. It can be very debilitating.

[@deathtrip8167]

Cecelia White they can not treat even depression be sure... did your child suicide?

[@ceceliawhite620]

death trip yes he did. He was prescribed several antidepressants over the course of 4 years. Some nag work on a short term. The body seems to become resistant to one being given then they keep upping the dose til they find the right dose of drug. If you suffer or know someone who dies please check out Dr. peter Breggin. He talks extensively about the hard the drugs can do. He’s quite a remarkable Doctor. I wish I’d known what I’ve learned since my sons death before. I am devastated and my life will never be the same. I’ve made it mg mission to try to help those I can in whatever capacity I can. Meds may work for some but I think not for most. I believe depression and anxiety stem mostly from environmental circumstances. That being said, Empathic therapy and good old fashioned human relations.😊

[@bb.w7450]

Group therapy and listening to music relaxing help me...more then the drugs ..

[@whynot7802]

Thats on u. Not on others.

[@dapoodusanya1232]

@@whynot7802 Another undercover psychiatrist sited.

[@Medietos]

No healthy diet and good habits?

[@montelo555]

We're friends from now on.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

Same here. My favourite tv shows on video and listening to my favourite bands helped alleviate my depression more than the psychotropic crap the mental health authorities convinced me to take.

[@urakhai5966]

Agree with everything Will Self says except for his belief in so much good faith among psychiatrists and pharma. There is evil and cynicism there.

[@danrothman6129]

Psychiatrists have come forward and admit that these drugs are thrown at the symptoms where they can only see what sticks for a while.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@danrothman6129 Unlike Peter Breggin, almost all psychiatrists do not think to enlist someone in aesthetic training classes - so he does not develop a cathexis, which is what mental health is!

[@azzarrax]

20:14 The "relapse" were almost certainly withdrawal. Very misleading.

[@marianafaria6960]

Hummm.. maybe there is a clear definition to relapse.

[@susanscott6287]

When u withdraw from these dangerous phsychotic drugs you must do it slowly Of course you will relapse if you stop taking them altogether They have gone into your system altering your whole body and mind I believe the body to a certain extent heals itself but sometimes you have to have intervention It’s a game of Russian roulette What we put in our body affects it What we eat causes a lot of physical problems I feel that a lot of peoples mental disorders comes from their childhood If the psychiatrist is not sure what is wrong the favourite diagnosis seems to be personality disorder I am sure there are exceptions where certain drugs can help certain cases I still think it stems from your childhood Children get abused physically mentally and the docs are so quick to pump you full of these damaging phsychiatric drugs

[@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman]

Once a psychiatrist prescribed me an anti-depressant. I never felt worse in my life, couldn't sleep and felt like shit, even had suicidal thoughts all day long. After 10 days I couldn't even lift from my bed, and not because I was sad, I was literally incapable of doing that physically, and the guy wanted half a minimum wage to see me again and change my medication. I simply stopped taking that shit, and realized that I needed to be a man and face life head on. It cured me because it made me realized that the fault was in my own thoughts, not in any chemical imbalance. I read a lot of stoic philosophy since then and now I consider myself more stable than the average person. What you can't cure with your own thoughts, no medication can cure. You can alleviate your pain with some drugs, I loved to drink, for example, but that's it. I even stopped drinking, because now I consider every drug that affects my brain as pernicious. The truth is that besides antibiotics very few drugs have any kind of curative power and we delude ourselves otherwise. On the other hand I already had a "esquizoaffective" girlfriend, and I know how crazy she was. So I do believe in mental illness, but I also saw her chugging daily more than 10 pills, of 6 different medications. Amplictil, aipri, rivotril, rohidorm, paxtrat and ritalin, and they never helped her. She still had crazy mood swings, psychotic symptoms and what not. Two times she stopped taking all medication, and while she got worse on one side, becoming insanely anxious, lacking attention to do any intellectual activity and not sleeping, on the other side she improved as well, becoming more adult and easier to handle, as strange as it sounds. She broke up with me many times during her mood swings just to implore to get back in the next day or next week, until I realized it would never work, so I broke up with her and my word was final. Her family spent a fortune on her, and even I spent a lot of money to no avail. She was sick, I don't know what she had, "esquizoaffective" is just a word that doesn't mean much, she was crazy. But what became clear to me is that helping her was beyond the power of anyone, no religion, no boyfriend, no medic... Nobody could help her, and those medications and doctors put a heavy financial strain on her family, so I doubt they made her life better in any way. It was better if "treatment" didn't exist, so her family wouldn't be shamed into seeking it just to have a sick daughter and an expensive bill to pay on top of that.

[@jazzyk4046]

Sigh. I feel you. What you experienced happens to my family member that I dearly love, too. Since a child I just watch him as he further deteriorates in life. He's been drugged since school and now he's way into his forties. Can't do much as he's very much reliant upon the parents who will not on any circumstances let him off his "medications". Yes, psychiatry has huge appeal to gullible parents too, it seems.

[@Sarablueunicorn]

And I believe you are brazilian, which already makes me believe the woman's craziness was being caused or aggravated by you. What I've learned from men who call their exes crazy and psycho is that they are way worse than them. It's spelled "schizoaffective", by the way, but of course you didn't know because you didn't seem to care much about her issues or her medication. 😉

[@sm7657]

You are fortunate that you tried the evil drug and got off of it right away . I lost my whole life on drugs and $$$$$ lost and in debt similar to your ex-girlfriend

[@sm7657]

@@Sarablueunicorn I think you are assuming too much here -- about the guy and his ex girlfriend …

[@GreyOatmeal]

In the older days, affluent families would've simply taken care of their mentally ill in the home, provding for them out of mercy until they no longer could, unfortunately resulting in institutionalization. The scary thought I have, is that it could've worked better or minimalized harm, in comparison to some of the "solutions" we choose now.

[@ivareriksen8311]

I was locked in for 3 months and was so damaged when I came out. My personality was all gone.

[@joeschmo5699]

Excellent around 53:00. Will Self's rebuttal of Simon Wessley (sp?). Just nailed it. "Doing a comic turn" to win the crowd over. (a standard psychopathic strategy). Will sobered everyone up, including the mindless crowd, very quickly. It takes a sharp guy to have the wits to point out, in real time, what just happened. Very sharp.

[@gtiming7490]

+joe schmo I have spent months investigating treating social anxiety naturally and found an awesome website at Kevs Control Plan (google it if you're interested)

[@sureseam]

The drug mentioned by Will Self was: Seroxat. In the US market it is Paxil. GSK were very heavily fined ($3B+) for mishandling of statistics, and, oh yes, suicides were a big part of that picture. Wessely willfully mishandles research to reach his conclusions; perhaps he should join the BDA.

[@bb.w7450]

I'm 54 today had to save myself thank you.Just like many others like me..

[@bb.w7450]

Nobody followed up on me or others like me...but you call it research...but when your research doesn't go your way you hide it ...truth as it..

[@warrenbienz6607]

I was given Mirtazapine for sleep by A GP along with 3 pages on what to do if you feel like suicide.

[@magetaaaaaa]

They tried to do this to me too! Had a sleep study, they didn't find anything so they chalked it up to anxiety and tried to prescribe me meds. I just said no.

[@kathygritzmacher90]

OMG

[@MRayner59]

Interesting discussion. Here in Canada, it’s far more common for anti-depressants to be prescribed by GPs that are unqualified to make a proper diagnosis. Of course, that doesn’t prevent them from liberally doling out SSRIs following a cursory discussion usually lasting just a couple of minutes. Getting to see an actual psychiatrist takes ages; even “urgent” cases involve waiting times of many weeks, more routine matters up to several months.

[@onetwo19]

I agree but do you see that the people commenting here believe psychiatry is in its whole "evil"? Psychiatry gave me my life back and the people who work in the field are for the most part very caring.

[@capresti3537]

@@onetwo19 Psychiatry destroys lives not save lives. How can psychiatry save anyone's life? was there a heart attack a stroke? pneumonia?. No there isn't. Mental problems are not illnesses. The people who work in psychiatry are criminals who destroy peoples lives with fraud every day turning normal people into psychiatric victims.

[@stevekaylor5606]

@@onetwo19 They are very good with crocodile tears - then triage modeled custodial debasement!

[@billybandyk0720]

@@onetwo19 Don't fool urself, buddy. U will experience negative effects from the meds that u insist r "helping" u.

[@barneyronnie]

Psychiatry is a pseudoscience and there is ZERO clinical evidence for the serotonin hypothesis. The DSM-5 is a bunch of 'made up' mental conditions. 😮

[@TarverdiyevRafael]

Most of psychiatrists either narcissistic,sociapathic or psychopatic.

[@stevekaylor5606]

That's why they can't or won't step outside of their conceptual framework - and find ways to train Cathexes!

[@snafu22]

i was given three different mental illness diagnoses by three different doctors all prescribing different meds and they were ALL wrong, i had Heart arrhythmia not a mental illness that a lowly ambulance officer found and correctly diagnosed. he laughed when i told him that doctors said that my heart beating at 236 bpm was anxiety or panic disorder or major depression. And so did the ER doctor and the cardiologist and the electrophysiologist. .

[@capresti3537]

Lmao, psychiatrists are sick in the head. They should take their own drugs.

[@johnnyfortpants1415]

Absoliutes disgrace to say SSRIs are no more placebo than psychotherapy which has twice the effect size with with none of the side effects.

[@ryublueblanka]

I have to say this moderator was great. That woman's question was great...mushrooms... MDMA... marijuana...these are our treatments. It's no wonder the good drugs are illegal

[@laaaliiiluuu]

And the question did not get answered. I am not surprised. Drugs that help longterm are not wanted.

[@tomgeorgearts]

The host put me off from the very start: "I'm assuming that none of you suffer from social anxiety phobia..." Oh yes, mental distress is always someone else, a medicalised 'other' who we, the sane, talk about with the benefit of our super-rational intellects. All you have a right to assume is that everyone in the audience knows what unhappiness means and is thus connected with everyone for whom unhappiness has disabled them in some way.

[@krphenomenon]

+Tom George It was a joke for the audience. Now, would someone suffering from social anxiety phobia sit in a big crowd?

[@tomgeorgearts]

I often do, yes. It's not like someone with social anxiety is neccessarily totally incapacitated. Many of us cover up, or find ways to cope despite the fact that things are often not easy for us. I know it was a joke, but it felt like an unenlightened one.

[@kingloads]

+krphenomenon Social anxiety doesn't necessarily manifest as a fear of crowds. It's very personal to the sufferer, but would more likely manifest as anxiety about a specific kind of interaction (talking on the phone, asking a stranger a question, eating out, counting change while the line behind you watches). A severe sufferer may just avoid people altogether, but my point is that there is minimal triggers in a quiet audience with the focus on the stage.

[@eyesopen66]

good point! IMO😊

[@mastertheillusion]

+Tom George Depression is not 'unhappiness'

[@Hy-jg8ow]

So, basically they don`t know whats the etiology (what causes the behavioral traits, modes of thinking and feelings they cluster into "symptoms" yet they insist classifying as and declaring to be actual physical illnesses) or if there is one, yet they make actual drugs to combat it - on what freaking basis? Thats like me saying to someone confused, that look, I have no clue what your confusion is caused by, but drink this glass of gasoline, it may help - surely enough, after the person drinks the gasoline (or I force him to) will probably become so sick (or dead), that he or she wont have the capacity to worry any longer about the earlier confusion. Therefore I will declare gasoline a cure and confusion an illness...and call death or even worse effects as merely side-effects. Even assuming that there is an etiology but not yet found is incredibly pompous - they made no advance in 50 years to that effect, yet they never even consider the possibility, that most if not all so called "mental illnesses" are rather having social (poverty, unjust economical, political and cultural conditions, persecution social control of, deviance via medicalizing them), personal/psychological (failure to reach a goal or fulfillment, failure to express oneself, financial ruin, toxic relationships, general problems in living, learned helplessness, traumas, lack of coping skills, etc) or ethical (lack of self-control, lack of principles and compassion, the moral outrage of *others* for socially disproved ways of thinking, feeling or behaving, looking at life differently than the cultural sacredness categories and norms demand, like pessimism, philosophical nihilism, etc) "etiologies". It seems to me, that psychiatry takes away both the social, psychological and personal-philosophical dimensions of our human differences and conditions and reducing them into "symptoms" of a supposedly brain disease they have never actually proven exists yet for which they manufacture physically acting compounds - which can not possibly "cure" something, they themselves admit not knowing what mechanism of causation have. Social control and deviance policing masquerading as medicine.

[@MrAndrew535]

Hypetia May I say, as a critique, Extremely passionate and exquisite! In fact, I will add in addition to your superbly well-made points that not only is there a complete absence of what constitutes an authentic human against which to determine psychological deviations. If they do not know what constitutes natural, how could so-called doctors possibly know what is unnatural? I also take exception to the fact that depression is regarded as a mental aberration while no consideration is given to the possibility that it may be an appropriate response to how one interprets the morality, for example, of the social norm to which you refer. That being the case, it is no more appropriate to medicate depression than it is to medicate thirst. So we live in a society which chastises and ostracises individuals with standards, with the obvious consequence of normalizing narcissistic-sociopathy. Which is of course, precisely what has happened. there are obviously other factors, like the demands of competition within industry and the effect that has on such sociopathic narcissistic personalities who collectively and passively conspire to ostracise the aforementioned with standards. I will also add, that how ever uncomfortable, depression from an anthropological perspective, has proven to be socially advantageous as an emotional survival mechanism for the human species, being instrumental for its necessary population incursions into distant lands in order to expand the human footprint and gene pool. Often at times when there were no immediate climate threats associated with other expansion periods. So the probability of the human species being here today without the aid of depression is extremely low.

[@JuliaHelen777]

Just coming by to say: "I love your comment" In addition; It was all fun & entertaining while Freud & Jung were at it but man, are we not at times to pass over it? :D

[@MrAndrew535]

Thank you, Julia.

[@onetwo19]

If you are dying of an illness and doctors offer you the best medication available are you going to say no....unless you can tell me the etiology of my illness, I don't want your help. And you will die.

[@onetwo19]

Your comments is borderline retarded.

[@dewaynestafford5507]

See his social engineering programming, calling actual effects side effects.

[@feederdiaries4862]

DeWayne Stafford yup. People ask, “where is the proof they hurt people?” And I always say it’s right on the bottle under “side effects.”

[@edenwylie8917]

i cracked it. it's psychopaths. their condition is genetic and evolved around exploiting empathy through language. the estimate of 1% might as well have been pulled out of a hat as they can not be studied. there could be as many as 5% of them. they collect in positions of power as they outcompete others and it is clear to me that psychiatry is a field that is saturated with psychopaths. they can identify each other. there is only one conspiracy that matters and it is both ancient and global.

[@dijellicoe3185]

The DSM used to be a pamphlet now it’s volumes and growing.

[@plumeria66]

So sad. I know of a guy who is a shell of himself. He suffered from PTSD at 12 years of age, went untreated, and as an adult was put on Lithium. He never sought psychotherapy. From a high school homecoming king, Ivy League graduate, lawyer, to a man who has been brain damaged, can't hold down a job, can't feel sadness or happiness, and suffers from the side effect neuropathy and Graves' disease. Lithium made him bipolar so now he can never get off it. It has damaged his brain and health. Talking to him takes a lot of effort because he doesn't relate to humans anymore.

[@jazzyk4046]

😭

[@sm7657]

I believe that

[@annabell3385]

I heard something about that being put in water.

[@kathygritzmacher90]

Prayers

[@anonymousdoe3755]

Same but no bipolar or graves diseases and I'm off that for years

[@sofiabrasher6068]

Don’t take these medications!!! Go to a nutritional psychiatrist. Please. The answer is nutrition not chemicals.

[@kareendeveraux1847]

Yes, the processed food lacks of vitamins. Too much carbs and sugar causes inflammation, causes diffuse brain damage, depressed mood and so on.

[@ProlificThreadworm]

Nobody went into the root causes of illnesses, particularly the nutrition/toxicity side.

[@MRayner59]

ProlificThreadworm Perhaps because that would have been a complete non-sequitur to the issue being debated which was diagnostic inflation, not the cause of diseases.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

@@MRayner59 But over-diagnosis comes in big part from diagnosing false causes. Much of over-diagnosis would disappear if people were actually treated for causes and not just symptoms.

[@remotefaith]

Do explain it to us then 👍

[@jdemeulenaer123]

Prozac is absolutely useless...why do people buy that crap..?

[@mistral4303]

I found what was said about trained counsellors being brought in after a disaster very interesting (see 44:10min). The speaker said that they had shown that those seeing such a counsellor in that situation are twice as likely to develop a psychiatric disorder than those who did not see a counsellor.

[@Roman.Joshua]

Gaslighting self-fulfilling prophecy. they don't have an illness, they are showing symptoms of psychological abuse.

[@rosieb471]

…it’s like it compounds the problem.

[@Scaler81]

it's a legit thing backed by psychological theory. During trauma, the broca's area of the brain shuts down which is needed for speech formation. So practical help is recommended right after trauma (water, blankets, telling the person they will be ok etc) rather than talk therapy which can cause further traumatisation. But the interesting part is that he gives this as an example of iatrogenesis (a treatment without meds) rather than an example of iatrogenesis with meds. To me this screams projection

[@snowps1]

I just love that Pharma guy saying that 1 in 4 Europeans met the standard for mental health issues. The standards that his industry created...

[@Afura33]

@kennyduthie7292 Damn that's really a lot :/ this is like almost 20% of the whole population :/ , so 1 in 4 takes an antidepressant.

[@Afura33]

@kennyduthie7292 Thanks for the info, this is so much. Antidepressants are literally thrown out like candies these days, it's sad to see and I can't believe how many people still think that they are safe to take, everyone who tried to come off of them will understand what I mean by that.

[@MyGeorge1964]

Here's the thing after an incident which took me to the A&E, the doctors decided my BP was too high. A month after, I managed to get an appointment with my GP. After the GP had tested and prescribed me with high blood pressure tablet She asked if I had any other complaints?! When I told her that I had a very serious arrhythmia a few years before she said, "oh yes I saw that..." followed by what I thought was complete BS. I was about to tell her all the other symptoms when I noticed the glasses (specs) she was wearing to read the computer screen was not on her nose anymore. It took me so much by surprise that I couldn't decide what to say. So I didn't. My conclusion, she must have read the A&E letter and just prescribed the standard smarties. Done!