How Rick Rubin Almost Ruined Eminem's Career

[@Zxlxya]

Idc about Eminem rn Kendrick cooked Drake

[@vuyaninogwanya9784]

😂😂😂😂🦾Dot went crazy

[@TinyMeatGaang]

Right? It's been an hour and nobody is talking about it. Like wtf

[@kriskenard]

That part

[@hectorlagos8937]

idk man, every Drake diss since Adidon feels kinda underwhelming 😂 dude had nothing to fight back, and Pusha seemed to have more ready to go. This feels more like WWE than UFC version of rap beef

[@pokesprout7469]

Then why you here

[@flickerygems7779]

thats why dre and em are made for eachother man. no other producer or rapper can bring that chemistry that those two can

[@unibeastbeats]

google Mark and Jeff Bass and be amazed who where behind the eminem we all love.

[@vercettib_251]

I'd like to hear Em and Just Blaze again

[@martian78]

Gangstar and also Eric B and Rakim also had great chemistry. I’m sure there are more producer/rappers with great chemistry like Em and Dre.

[@steelliving8785]

Lies

[@murderedrhyme]

@@vercettib_251 TOTALLY YES!!! Fly Away was a such good song

[@peterbadami4872]

Why does everyone forget about how good Em and The Bass Brothers chemistry was?

[@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky]

Yeah Superman and sing for the moment. Great production

[@GeneralJLC]

THIS! Em needs to make another record with those guys.

[@jesuscantu6855]

Musically they were great but unfortunately the vibe was always depending on the drugs. The brothers mentioned that in a interview that they understood why em walked away because it was feeding into his addictions.

[@lordhoweproductions3733]

I miss the Bass Brothers days

[@BoogerwolfJones]

they get high when they work and em isnt cool with that. theres no beef

[@TPD]

MMLP2 is outstanding. such an underrated gem

[@eddthewordsmith]

It’s 90% cringe. Couple great songs. Tons of terrible ones.

[@warrenmcgreevy4590]

I agree

[@Biggcatx]

​@@eddthewordsmith What's cringe about it

[@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky]

Man those beats were so terrible I couldn’t even appreciate Em’s rhymes

[@Biggcatx]

@@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky what beats specifically

[@GhostRider-mm6ky]

That's horse shit Marshall mathers 2 was fire I love that album

[@elemaire86]

It's mid by Em's catalogue. Some of those songs are some of his best (let's say top 100 songs) but the album as a whole was mid. Recovery as a complete project is better. MMLP2 probably comes right after.

[@elemaire86]

The production on it wasn't great or rather it wasn't Eminem enough.

[@nelsonmercadojr2749]

@@elemaire86recovery his best album after the first 3. It’s not even close

[@elemaire86]

@@nelsonmercadojr2749 agreed

[@OrphanJrdn]

Me too

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

Em can rap over any beat, we know that. The only reason MMLP2 is still looked at favorably is because Em was rapping at a phenomenal level. Most ppl can look past the beat selection.

[@twonobiwonmusic9982]

Dude most of them beat was fire

[@taylorfenton3960]

MMLP2 was a masterclass in technical rapping.

[@gintoki_sakata__]

​@@taylorfenton3960i still go crazy when i hear evil twin or groundhogs day

[@Pear_slingshot]

Eminem lost it when he stopped using those kinda beats

[@alialii2525]

Mmlp2 technically best eminem album and even Eminem writing was crazy all the track get like 5 minutes at least

[@MsJackie25]

Eminem produced most of his own biggest hits. He's an underrated producer, who writes his own lyrics. He produced "The Eminem show" himself, which went diamond, his most streamed, most famous album to date. He also produced for other people, and wrote a lot of Dr dres songs for him. Luis resto is Eminem's main producer not Dre like a lot of people are brainwashed to believe. Dr Dre has a lot of ghost producers and uses mostly samples where he just takes someone else's music Tweeks it a little, stamps it, puts his name on it and takes all the credit. The bass brothers and Eminem on production is what made his first 3 albums classics not Dre. Whenever your listening to an Eminem song check the song credits for who produced it, you'll see what I mean. The bass brothers (F.B.T) made the best version of Eminem with their production

[@leo5781]

Mel-man

[@IamBrixTM]

Interesting

Only a true EM fan knows about the The bass brothers. The Slim Shady LP is still 🔥Listening to Brain Damage now.

[@francostrong202]

But all the best songs off of MMLP are produced by Dre…and besides, there’s more to being a producer than just “making beats”…

[@MsJackie25]

​@@francostrong202 Music is subjective. Eminem and F.B.T (bass brothers) produced most of that album 8 out of 14 songs Eminem has production credit on including the song"stan". The others were mel man and Dr Dre which a lot were samples. The song"kill you" from that album, Dre and Mel man produced. The beat was stolen and Dre ended up getting Eminem sued for copyright infringement. The first album the song"my name is" Dre sampled from labi siffres song "I got the".

[@DillPickle-bw4xq]

Rubin didn't "almost ruin" Shady's career, he brought a different perspective. God forbid an artist does something different. Crazy most people just shit on Eminem for these albums not being the same as his old ones. I bet if he sounded like old Eminem they'd say that he needs to "get with the times." I think this channel needs better narration and stronger argumentative aspects if you truly feel that Rubin "sabotaged" Eminem.

[@evilsworn2901]

I agree Em's been different after he got of the drugs

[@bunnyluver2176]

​@evilsworn2901 ppl say a lot of crap about drugs and mental illness but they can take the mind to whole different dimensions in a good way

[@evilsworn2901]

@@bunnyluver2176 time to break sobriety

[@Merlaut715]

I'm not sure if you're bias or looked over the fact that Recovery had a different sound too. Imo this video's on the mark.

[@aspartamekillsyaknow9019]

RR is overrated

[@Auditore2510]

Mmlp 2 is a legit great rapping record it's a timeless classic

[@DERRTYCHYBO]

No

[@Cartman-Official]

No

[@RICO_SUAVE_86_]

Hell no

[@Auditore2510]

@@RICO_SUAVE_86_ elaborate with ur stiff brain

[@resonancetides7196]

No, my poor Stan.

[@caberknight9013]

say what you will about Revival but MMLP2 is easily the best post-Eminem Show album he's put out and is in my personal favorite album he's put out. I think lumping it in with Revival and blaming Rick Rubin is a real flimsy way of looking at it

[@smaaron_j_46]

I agree, MMLP2, from the songs I’ve heard, sounds way more focused than almost every single track on Revival. Even Don’t Front which isn’t even a main track on the album.

[@fatedsculpture2596]

I Would say my favorite after the Eminem Show is MTBMB both sides but I definitely respect having MMLP2 as yours. Aside from Revival and Encore I think his other albums are pretty solid overall.

[@caberknight9013]

@@fatedsculpture2596 100% agree, MTBMB is a very close imo

[@stephendavies7355]

Relapse. Top 5 Eminem imo

[@Spectrum0122]

Your bias is showing

[@CMCmakesmusic]

mmlp2 is an amazing album

[@therealhatchet]

I came here to say that just myself. Look revival sucked, but MMLP2 was some of his best material in the last 20 years like some of those songs are still on my daily playlists to this day! Not to mention everybody hates new m&m but kamikaze / music to be murdered by and side B is all fire. FIRE!

[@Kuristophã]

Headlights is my favorite song the album

[@CMCmakesmusic]

@@Kuristophã nice pick For me it's either Evil twin or brainless Generally the album is packed with good songs

[@theoptimalspark8198]

@@Kuristophã *hears song in head* *cries*

[@theoptimalspark8198]

@@CMCmakesmusic Groundhog Day was a hidden gem for me, didn't love it at first but love it now. Legacy is great

[@harukiba-curetaurus]

I loved the MMLP2, it’s still in my top 10 favorite

[@tyc.miller]

It's a shame these two didn't work out. MMLP2 is probably my favorite Eminem album.

[@turtleanton6539]

It is great but eminem show and mmlp for me. Mmlp2 could be 3.

[@warshallwathers7971]

@@turtleanton6539MMLP2 is amazing

[@bigroman1355]

That's crazy that album had 1 good song

[@PokeIsland]

@@bigroman1355 least obvious bait

[@jaes1812]

Mmlp 2 had one good song which was legacy. The deluxe bonus songs were cool too. But the normal mmlp 2 is my least favorite album by em.. fuck rick ruben lol

[@ratioxcmcsa263]

Mmlp2 has some of Ems best work tbh

[@mjtubeme]

- So Much Better - Rap God - Survival - Legacy - Headlights - Evil Twin

[@Merlaut715]

@@mjtubeme Yep, the songs that weren't produced by Rick Rubin. I like "Rhyme or Reason", but not the other songs he had a hand in.

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

Ngl, parts of Revival were so bad that I thought he was trolling us. I’ve been waiting over 6 years for him to tell us it was a joke…and that the real album is coming out soon

[@smaaron_j_46]

He made Kamikaze confirming Revival was a serious effort 😂

[@alexallen6286]

I don't get ALL the hate that album gets. It's got it's misses, but believe and offended are absolute bangers.

[@fredyalvarez1434]

@@alexallen6286 maybe offended but believe only has a good beat other than those songs everything else was horrendous

[@loganleatherman7647]

@fredyalvarez1434 Did you forget that “Castle” and “Arose” are on Revival?

[@alexallen6286]

@@loganleatherman7647 you said it before I could say it!

[@Megaman.ExE7]

Eminem blew up at the perfect time, because I don't really see another white rapper being able to achieve the levels of success that he has anytime soon

[@Megaman.ExE7]

@@apaaaa Yup, also formulas change; hell I don't even want to listen to Eminem *now* because his raps are super dated and there's no more _pain_ in them

[@joshsmith6207]

Writer #1 is the only one who has a chance in my opinion. His track “the prologue” and “having fun” are fucking nuts

[@Antron7000]

Mac was getting there

[@Super_Broly]

Id argue Mac Miller was the better artist. Eminem is an amazing rapper, but some of his beats and songs can get a bit whiny/not hip hop

[@mechfrza]

Its easy. All they need is a Dre cosign 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@warshallwathers7971]

I still blame Rick Rubin to this day for what he did to _“Revival”_ (he also ruined Linkin park’s album 😒) imo if Eminem just did the production himself and kept ppl like Rick away so he wouldn’t have had his opinion skewed on what the album should’ve been or sounded, we would’ve gotten a way better project than what we got, because the subject matter was never the problem. Edit: Also, MMLP2 was an amazing album!

[@aidanthomas2510]

Rick also produced MMLP 2 and that was way better. I don't know what went wrong with Revival. In saying that there were a few hidden gems on there. Castle & Arose are 2 of the best songs he ever did imo and it's a damn shame they were so far into that album, a lot of people probably didn't hear them because of that. Got no doubt they would have been a lot bigger and more fondly remembered if they weren't. I also like Bad Husband, Walk On Water (I never got the hate behind that song), River and I don't mind Pink's hook on Need Me either.

[@PenneySounds]

LP's best albums were under Rubin. Revival was Em at his most thoughtful and mature.

[@Ethan-Entah]

Minutes to Midnight, A Thousand Suns & Living Things are all very strong albums and contain some of my favorite songs. But they are not their best albums, I love them, but the 1st 2 ARE LP's best albums & it isn't close. Revival gets more hate than it should, although there are 1 or 2 track where (much like A Thousands Suns) where I wonder how they made it to the album.

[@PenneySounds]

@@Ethan-Entah Linkin Park got far better on their third album and even better on their fourth. The first two albums were too influenced by studio meddling.

[@Drewan27]

@@PenneySounds now that’s cap. LP would have never been as big as they were without Hybrid Theory and Meteora. Those albums are monoliths.

[@Yazan98_]

MMLP 2 is great album

[@T.Maximus]

Corey Taylor put Rick on blast about how lazy he was.

[@tronicreal4]

Lets not blame Rick for Revival tho. Theres alot that goes on into producing an album, alotta pple involved. Lets not just blame Rick Rubin for all of it but great video as always man.

[@RealiveSoul]

Justin Timberlake? Rapper? Man ...what

[@MostCharismaticEver]

He said in "hip-hop" and "artists". He never said rapper.

[@RealiveSoul]

@@MostCharismaticEver mhmm

[@nategz9875]

I would like to hear Eminem do a whole album with Mike Dean (Scarface's producer).

[@moxictasculinity]

This is one of the rarest times I have seen someone attach Mike Deans name to Scarface. A lot of people nowadays call him Travis Scott or Kanye West producer.

[@loganleatherman7647]

@moxictasculinity Was just about to comment that. I associate him way more with Kanye and Travis

[@kier1800]

I was gonna say travis scott too😂😂😂😂 damn thats a deep and goes waaaay back, scarfaces producer has longevity and has evolved with the sound. Mike dean is known for working with travis scott and kanye😮

[@kier1800]

@@loganleatherman7647 word. Scarface from getoboys is like such a different lane from travis scott today, well mike dean has evolved with the times compared to rubin.😂

[@doubleznixz]

Eminem’s DJ, The Alchemist may have production of his new album.

[@henplay7399]

Mmlp2 was good Stop the Cap 🧢

[@hammuel188]

It wasn’t selling like that

[@oogatz1917]

That doesn’t make it bad. It’s one of my favorite em albums

[@codyshorrorcollection]

@@hammuel188it sold 4 million right ?

[@teewhyeee]

@@hammuel188 it's a classic and sold 792,000 first week - whatchu saying?

[@jaes1812]

Nah it was terrible and every rick ruben track was absolute ass

[@NoirNameless]

I’ll never understand why Em, knowing him and Dre make gems when they work, doesn’t work almost exclusively with Dre at this point. I like Rick, but Em and Dre have proved time and time again they’re incredible when they lock in together. Really hoping this next album has more Dre production.

[@SloppyToffee]

I agree but I think it’s the thing of to much of a good thing could turn out bad. Atleast I think that’s what em thought, especially with how he said in one song that everyone wants him to work with Dre and others want him to work with new producers so Em has to find the middle ground. I personally would love a bass bros track or a Mel Man track with Em

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

Dre has had ghost producers for decades now

[@embis3824]

Well with the new album you got your wish

[@XvXMONSTERXvX]

Dre is such a major recluse to the point his name is more popular; the legend of him is more popular than him the actual person. theirs also long been rumors that he hasn't actually produced the songs he claimed he did when at death row. studio engineers did the work and then put his name on it cause he was out due to drug habit but they needed his name to help promote.

[@doubleznixz]

I think Em wants to give more modern producers the spot

[@magicgiony1017]

Honesty mmlp2 is my favorite album of all time. Songs like bad guy, legacy, so far are storytelling masterpieces. I might be biased but give it another listen. Bless

[@paul9589]

Bro I watched one of your videos now I can't stop, a new fan as of today 🤙🏾

[@hiphopmadness]

Appreciate that man ❤️🔥

[@drumd00d]

I had no idea about this story, aside that Em and Rubin worked together. Very informative, I loved the video! Keep it up

[@CeaTeeReviewz]

Theres a mistake at 1:06. Mmlp2 is 2013 not 2014

[@mmurph617]

0:08 I'm nitpicking, but are we calling Justin Timberlake a rapper?

[@retr0JT]

😂😂

[@blakjay011]

I saw that too, & calling Em the most successful rapper of all time... I love Em but really??

[@mmurph617]

@@blakjay011 don't try to change the subject underneath my post. This isn't Reddit. Make your own post about that.

[@ryanb01]

@@blakjay011by numbers he is

[@jimbodice2672]

​​@@blakjay011 Yes.

[@mjtubeme]

I swear MMLP2 is so underrated!

[@Bengal_Razor]

I Love Rick Rubin.. ❤ His Vision and Approach, coupled with his Experience ans Passion for Blending Jenres is why I Admire his Input and Contributions to Cutting Edge music.. 👑😃👑 🕊🕊🕊

[@retlaw190]

People need to stop saying Rick Rubin doesn't know how to work a board or play instruments. That's such showbiz myth shit

[@alexik15502]

As a fan of both rap and metal/rock, mmlp2 is fs in my top 3 Eminem albums, i felt like they worked together very well on the album, plus Eminem's rapping on it was probably his best ever rapping. The disaster happened on revival, but mmlp2 was really dope.

[@justingil27]

Rick rubin’s book is really good

[@brodieyake7735]

I was literally just in the middle of writing a comment about how Slipknot hated working with Rick Rubin, and blammo. There's the clip of Corey that I was in the middle of quoting.

[@rjdiggs738]

That’s why you should always watch a video in its entirety before posting a comment.

[@brodieyake7735]

@@rjdiggs738 a hurrr durrr thank u

[@chodysseus420]

One of Ems best songs is "Bad Guy" MMLP2 is crazy

[@RetroBerner]

Em's issue is that he isn't hungry anymore. He can't talk about struggling with drugs, women or recognition since that's not his life anymore Rick isn't much of a producer, more like a reducer. He reduces a pile of ideas down to the basics, amplifies the good while minimizing the trash. But if you show up with nothing but a pile of trash, and you minimize that, all you get is concentrated trash. Rick never claimed to be a miracle worker.

[@SirMaski]

MMLP2 is great. It was different than his past work, even including Relapse and Recovery (I'd personally say its the bridge between the middle era and modern era Em) but I enjoyed hearing him fully embrace the lyrical side of him while still maintaining some of the energy he had previously, something he does lack sometimes in his new stuff.

[@NinjaxShadowXx]

MMLP2 was good but Revival was so terrible and I definitely blame Rick Rubin and everyone around Em involved with that project including Rosenberg. Like who thought any of those beats sounded good? Who thought that the album needed those pop artist features? It is the weirdest Eminem album for sure. Felt like no one actually cared to make something good. Thankfully Kamikaze after was amazing.

[@MrThankman360]

MMLP2 is a dope album. And there are some fire tracks on Revival.

[@jthebox2105]

MMLP 2 was a great album and was actually received very well. It didn’t hit the popularity that Recovery had but I think most fans appreciate MMLP2 much more. The reason Revival failed was because Em decided to go woke. You can see on the track record of almost everything that went forced wokeness and it failed miserably. I do agree though I think Dr Dre’s style works more with Eminem. Em is extremely technical with his lyrics so having a producer who is a perfectionist helps with that. Rubin is more free flowing with his approach.

[@chivescucumber9764]

I think Rick Rubin did a great part being involved in MMLP2 which I believe to be EMs last great album and I still enjoy it till this day but what the hell was Rick and everybody around Em telling him during the creation of Revival?

[@Whatyoumeanyoudont]

Mmlp2 lackluster? Who believes that? That’s my favorite album of all time

[@cmshadyy]

yeah this video is some bs, revival was mid but mmlp 2 is an A tier album, people just be saying anything.

[@twonobiwonmusic9982]

@@cmshadyyyea I feel like mmlp 2 was s tier

[@Merlaut715]

I wouldn't say lackluster either, but MMLP2 is mid to me because of a lot of the production.

[@LongIslandbaseball55]

MMLP2 is even one of ems number 4 albums by harsh critics standards.

[@yanahakai]

Love the channel watermark! 💚💗💙

[@futbolchefs]

“Heavy duty like diarrhoea” - this whole era in a rhyme. 🤣

[@VanerShan]

MMLP2 is my favorite Eminem album idgaf what everyone saying. This album is incredible.

[@knotdone5292]

100% agree. It was an actual masterpiece

[@DanJohnson05]

I really enjoyed Berserk. I think it would’ve been really dope if I would’ve had the Beastie Boys on that track with him.

[@nabri-nfg3262]

Bezerk was my favorite em song

[@elliottstevens7168]

That song is ass

[@allenlavine1351]

I don’t understand the hate for that song it’s great

[@blackscorpion-h8i]

MMLP2 is quite good in my opinion and I don't hate Revival.

[@sfjbro8501]

My favorite Rick Ruben being out of touch story. He produced a Black Sabbath album and brought them a bunch of vintage tube amps to try out to try and "capture" their old sound and they were like wtf bro these amps aren't good and won't make any significant change.

[@PoopFrogg1]

Think I’m the only one lying person who loves the work they did together 😂

[@AFROBostonWriter]

That’s why when I heard Em’s Music To Be Murdered By; I swear I wanted cry. I screamed off the top of my fucking lungs 🫁--WELCOME BACK SLIM SHADY! Finally an album I didn’t have to skip all the way through.

[@westmemphisthreestillunsolved]

Really? IMO that's his worse album. MMLP2 is a classic.

[@Merlaut715]

Agreed, imo MtBMB's his best album since Recovery.

[@Jayhawk223]

I actually really liked Revival. I was at a point in my life where a lot of those songs/lyrics really hit me.

[@playablecharacter3871]

Reuben is a goof, professional rich weed dealer kid that paid for some of the studio time so he thinks he's a mogul type goon

[@SefanoMilan]

MMLP 2 was a top tier album. You can play it from beginning to the end and maybe 1 or 2 songs out of 21 is skipable. Other than that the only criticism is why the deluxe songs was not included as they are 🔥. But I guess there will always be criticism no matter who produces an Eminem album.

[@PalaceDude]

Just so we are clear, MMLP2 is a classic. It has much more highlights. But I agree with a lot of points on this one. Rick Rubin did almost trap Em in my least favorite of styles.

[@wespe1717]

The Best Album is SSLP Because it was a poor eminem without money He really make songs and you notice the hunger and how he feels like a normal person and not like a star

[@ElevatedLevetator]

I just cant help but feel like the humour on that album has aged terribly. The ironic, hey look at me im so edgy and dont give a fuck. Kinda like NOT jokes that everyone used at the time. Oh your new shoes are fire! NOT! Hahahaha. It just sounds so dated now

[@b-l7555]

EM was doing his best with bass brothers productions.

[@magnafide]

1:10 all that hardware in the background, and they're using Reason? That was probably the problem.

[@pommdizzle2219]

MMLP2 is a dope album, Survival on the other hand when listening to it now n days was maybe to conscious for its time. Rick Rubin in my opinion is just a taste maker. And a damn good one

[@PCWonlinevideo]

great commentary!

[@MostlyPeacefulRioter]

MMLP2 was my favorite Em album after the first 3 of course.

[@frankthebutcher6679]

What they are saying MMLP2 is off tho. That album is really cool and lyrically it's incredible.

[@MykGryff]

This is an insane take. MMPL2 was 🔥 because of Rubin.

[@Quakeinc14]

Rick even stated that sometimes the magic doesn't happen and that's ok. You cant rush a masterpiece. You just have to be open to the signs that are all around you.

[@AARYA-ux2ep]

MMLP2 is the best Eminem album of 2010s. And also I don't think it matters but Fantano's highest rated Eminem album ever

[@therealbigmak3283]

Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one!

[@ScottyMuzik]

This is the video ive been waiting forever for. Rick Rubin and Skyler Gray.

[@azzurriblue65]

MMLP2 was an incredible record though? Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Rap God, Headlights, Evil Twin? Not to mention Rick only had his hands in on like four tracks for MMLP2 and maybe the same or less on Revival… Revival was a dud, for sure, but I dont think that was Rick’s doing or influence.

[@IAmNeomic]

Rick only did the beats for a few tracks, but he was with Em in the studio, putting everything together the whole time, so the whole album has his little touches.

[@azzurriblue65]

@@IAmNeomic I don't think Rubin oversaw the entirety of MMLP2 or else his touches would be on more than those four tracks. IMO

[@IAmNeomic]

@@azzurriblue65 He (and Dre) was the executive producer on the album. They both sat in on the entire recording and mixing process.

[@azzurriblue65]

@@IAmNeomic But if you dive into the individual credits for each track, it isn't like that ,at all. But whatever

[@bishop7954]

You're wrong. Rubin & Em are an INSANE duo. The problem was Eminems shit flows and lyrics on revival.. MMLP2 Ithought was his best album since the eminem show.

[@IAmNeomic]

Revival actually has some decent tracks. The issue is that because of all the political discourse going on at the time, and how burnt out everyone was about it when it came out, a lot of people just didn't pay attention because they didn't wanna hear more political bullshit. Albeit there's only like 3 tracks on the album where he mentions anything political, but the American flag on the album cover and Eminem's BET cypher against Trump didn't help. Thankfully, he got the message and stay away from politics in his music now, for the most part.

[@chrisaugustine6591]

Keep them coming tho bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Super_Stoner]

though*

[@tomazroses6022]

MM2 Was pretty good.. I like Revieval.. Great 📹.. Respect.. 💐 💐 To the Greatest 👑 🐐. 🇸🇮. 🤘🏻

[@harveyomusic]

Maybe Rubin really gets his perfectionist mindset on when it comes to producing rock cuz god damn there no better, perfect produced album than Smashing Pumpkins’ Siamese Dream.

[@mikeygraves16]

I've been a fan of Em's since his first album came out, but I always find myself so confused over the hate for Revival. I thought it was really good 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@bruh1640]

probably because it was a different sounding eminem. that everyone wasn't used to or prepared for. i honestly like how em sounds completely different in each of his albums. framed,castle,in your head, believe, chloraseptic, walk on water, tragic endings are my favourite revival songs.

[@bett431]

Most people like an artists for specific things, Revival tried to give everyone something to like which ends up meaning that one person who is a fan of one specific thing likes maybe 2 or 3 tracks. And an Album where you like maybe 2 or 3 songs, and someone else likes 2-3 completely different songs, will still have you two agreeing that only 2 or 3 songs are good, which makes it a subjectively bad album.

[@Merlaut715]

Remind Me, Heat, and Need Me are the only Revival tracks I don't like. Rick produced the former two. Need Me should've been on a Pink album.

[@Spectrum0122]

cuz youre bias and wont listen to other criticisms

[@mikeygraves16]

@Spectrum0122 Are...are you being serious? See I learned long ago not to make confident statements like that about a person I've never talked to or met, because usually you don't just end up being wrong, you also end up looking stupid asf 😂 I said i had been a fan of his since his first album, just like I'm a fan of a lot of other artists. Being a fan of someone doesn't mean you pledge blind loyalty to them. I won't "listen to other criticisms"? You're right. Because I'm an adult who doesn't need someone else's opinion for me to decide if I like something or not. But on top of that, here's where you look like some immature, naive teenager: I literally can't stand 'Encore' 'Relapse', 'Kamikaze', and both 'Music To Be...A & B'. I think they're pretty much garbage 🤷🏽‍♂️ But yeah, you hit the nail on the head bro...I'm so biased 🤣🤣🤣

[@ryansorensen801]

Really interesting take. Well done.

[@ballzybro]

Nahhh, MMLP2 was the last time that Em put out a truely creative album. Brilliant piece or work

[@Haddonfield63]

I love MMLP2. Not a fan of the beats and production so much but I love the album overall still

[@rickyrichreacts9667]

It’s crazy to think it’s been over 22 years since Eminem dropped his last classic album- the Eminem show

[@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky]

Some ppl will say recovery. I personally liked relapse. He was dark and hilarious on that one

[@jessicarichter6436]

⁠@@WesleyWilkins-qf2kyI’m one of those people. Recovery absolutely is a classic to me it really helped me through similar struggles he faced & it’s full of motivational bangers start to end no skips. Plus it was last album all over MTV, the radio & KZbin here in UK also was during his Era making 🔥 with Wayne on No love & drop the world, he bested 3 goats on forever, huge hits love the way you lie & monster with riri, rapgod def a classic single. Love kamikaze album too. Relapse def is cult classic amongst fans. Eminem show is Ems Magnus Opus but it isn’t his last classic by any means to most hiphop fans around the world.

[@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky]

@jessicarichter6436 The only em albums I really just haven’t cared for were MMLP2 and revival. Largely because of the production. I like recovery. He had some club type hits on there. 25 to life is my absolute fav on there. But relapse.. songs like same song and dance and stay wide awake.. and the other more darker content. Even beautiful

[@semird615]

The rock influenced sound worked for Em sometimes. White America is in my top 5 favorite Em songs.

[@JoDyMa]

Literally everyone sleeps on MMLP2 and Revival. MMLP2 is just fantastic, and Revival took time to grow, but the lyricism is absolutely incredible throughout the entirety x

[@robertwalkley4665]

It's really difficult being an Eminem fan where the stuff that's most successful tends to be the stuff I dislike. MMLP2 is terrific, and the tracks Rhyme or Reason and So Far are great.

[@jimbodice2672]

MMLP2 was amazing.

[@PlaAwa]

a minute or so in and i'm suddenly inspired to listen to two eminem albums.... eventually

[@DedicatedSpirit8]

I enjoyed th MMLP2... Revival had 1 track i really like... Guts over fear .. but thats about it. No offence to Em. Idk why people talk sh about relapse. Relapse flows are legendary. 3am? Stay wide awake? Everything on that album was sick af

[@TwoWrights]

I'll admit, I've been a huge fan of Rubin's since the 90s, when I realised he produced a lot of my favourite music from my whole life. He's a big reason why I got into audio engineering and eventually producing music for others. I got his book the week it came out. I read about 40 pages and gave up. I realised he's a wishy washy hippy with no real knowledge to impart on anybody. He was lucky and was around the right people at the right time. He was willing to put his efforts behind pushing a musical culture that had not been presented accurately on recordings at the time. He made a lot of exceptional albums letting artists be artists. He's not a music producer, he's a musician producer. But yeah, The Creative Act: A Way of Being is an overly pretentious and utterly useless guide to living your life in a creative way. If you watch a couple of long interviews with him, you'll hear the entire book in them.

[@BrandoCliftDean]

I loved Marshall Marhers LP 2!

[@apartmenta4439]

This man really said Justin Timberlake

[@festernassociates]

Marshall mathers LP 2 was awesome

[@KevinSousa-hn8tj]

Im tired of pretending MMLP2 isnt a near masterpiece

[@underscorejojo]

Berzerk sounded so weird to me the first time I heard it. It sounded like 3 songs on top of one another and I didn’t really understand what I was listening to :p

[@Kind_w0lf]

MMLP2 WAS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@fr1zl]

MMLP2 was fuckn 🔥

[@Minivanmusician]

The problem wasn't Rick. Em didn't know who tf he was then. He had seen success as a mature artist doing emotionally infused music and seemingly reinvented himself but he decided to say fuck that and rap with that accent, try to make radio friendly songs, rap a million miles a minute and (as per the norm, rap about rapping) and "lost himself" along the way. He eventually landed on the 'rappin about rappin and being the greatest' content and that's where he's been since. For two giant segments of his career, he had no consistent identity and no beats can fix that.

[@GeorgeTheRapper2]

Wait Rick Rubin can’t make music like AT ALL? They just pay him to tell people if he likes something or doesn’t like something? Somebody fire him, I’m a big Eminem fan but almost all of Revival was trash.

[@DevonIsMad]

Linkin park went to shit after Rick Rubin as well

[@Whateverhandleisavailable]

I agree with people saying that Rubin isn’t a guru. He just happened to have some good ideas with some really good musicians. Some people just get that lucky

[@michaelmyers4943]

I respect the contributions of Rubin to rock AND hip hop, but I've been saying his work with Em was lackluster at best. They peaked with MMLP2 (not even all of it) and shoulda left it at that tbh.

[@rorystrain6981]

burh what. MMLP2 a classic

[@Dave-ug4cd]

MM2 sold 3.8 million...

[@knotdone5292]

Bro those tracks were on point. I don't care what any of you say