How Roberts Ridge Impacted SEAL Team 6

[@JHillNC]

John Chapman is the ultimate hero. Left for dead and left behind and fought valiantly on his own. I wasn't there and will not judge the failures that happened during the fog of war. I give my respect to all those men.

[@wolfiemum461]

Mod?

[@Coltys.fishing.adventures.]

Ard bastard

[@HotSalamiandBacon]

Chapman put all those seals to shame that day, the seals really showed how “not elite “ they actually are.

[@jimpowell2296]

@@HotSalamiandBacon Really? Waist deep snow, the helo down 1 seal dead dangling by a rope off the end of the helo. Chapman and the navy seal team leader were very close to each other. Both firing in different directions at the enemy. Outnumbered by terrorists. 4 other seals I believe were in the battle being shot at from 3 different locations. And here you are calling ST6 out. You do know that one seal and eventually Chapman received MOH’s. There is plenty of info on you tube and in the book. The Air Force would not give Chapman the MOH till 2018. 16 years after the mission. Be careful who you accuse and why. Would you have the balls to do what they all did? Dereliction of duty on the Air Force Brass.

[@hunterwilson6703]

3 men against 20+ combatants in placed in bunkers, and a hard cover. He wasnt left they got separated. Because he wanted to push ahead of his team. And not move with them. I watched the footage he put himself in that posted so don’t blame it on his squad

[@joejohnson4183]

The sad part is the Navy tried to block Sgt. John Chapman's MOH unless Britt K. Slabinski got one . I find this disgusting and without honor and don't see what Slabinski did to deserve the MOH . And if rivalry was the reason this brings disgrace on the Seals . They should have stood together to honor a fallen warrior , Sgt. John Chapman immediately rather than fight his truly deserved recognition and honors .

[@jimpowell2296]

Where did you hear that. The navy has zero to do with the Air Force. Besides the air force had the video which was shit by an Air Force plane. You tell the Navy seal he doesn’t deserve the MOH. We’re you there? Are you a vet?

[@joejohnson4183]

@@jimpowell2296 To begin with the video was taken by a CIA drone not the Air Force and it is an established fact the Navy blocked Sgt. Chapman's recommendation for the MOH because it would have shown that the Seals left a man behind . It is not hard to find but if you cannot do your own research than find someone that can because it is apparent you have a computer just maybe you can't do a very good search . And no I was not there anymore than you were and WTF does being a vet have to do with what went down . Even a child could see the Seals abandoned him and I guess you would have done the same . By the way read Slabinski's MOH recommendation and see if it does what the video shows , hero .

[@HotDawgzzzzz]

@@jimpowell2296 Reports during the USAF CCT's MOH processing was the Navy would not support it, as its entire premise invalidated the Navy version of events, unless the USAF supported the SEAL TL having his previous Navy Cross upgraded to an MOH.

[@jimpowell2296]

@@HotDawgzzzzz have you heard the SEAL team leader tell his story of the mission. He was with Chapman part of the time. He has nothing but praise for him. I believe he gave him credit for saving his men. The Air Force had the video that was shot by an Air Force aircraft showing Chapman’s heroism. Yet you think the Navy has the power to tell the Air Force who to select to receive medals. The author of the book “Alone At Dawn” says that the Air Force is very slow in acting to give out medals. He has no idea why.

[@gladiator_games]

@@jimpowell2296by other tier 1 operators on KZbin

[@friscostreetstories5403]

Never have we caught on film the making of a posthumous Medal of Honor. Thanks sir for your intense fighting spirit to help your men RIP.

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

There has been though. There was UAV footage of randy shughart and gary gordon that was never released, members of delta and 75th both talk about seeing the footage of gary and randy trying their best to fight off hundreds of fighters

[@charlesl5226]

If you have not you need to read, alone at dawn. The whole story and details that are told in it are just absolutely mind blowing. From the command element to the team lead.

[@F110mech]

That book should be mandatory reading in our public schools!

[@-KMA-]

I’ve read this book and I can never forget it for a million years, it is imprinted in my brain, the details

[@hikmatullahhussainee1615]

I also read the book Alone At Dawn. John's patriotism & heroism made me cry.

[@JonSan73]

I have been pacing myself to read this book. John’s valor and personal courage is inexplicable RIP 🇺🇸 is a hard read specially after watching the video.

[@hippycracktalksmack]

Just dug up the audiobook, I read Razor 03 and he gives an interesting look at the 160th perspective of events but barely touches on Roberts and Chapmans ordeal. Glad there’s a proper account of it

[@tonyfknb3896]

Chapman got abandoned by the Seals. Seals didnt want him getting a medal of honor because made them look bad so when they couldnt stop it, they gave their boy the MOH

[@charlesbukowski9836]

what do you mean?

[@tonyfknb3896]

@@charlesbukowski9836 what do i mean? I mean watch the video then research it and listen to podcasts that cover it. The Seals tried so hard to stop Chapman getting a MOH because it made them look bad. An Airman saving there ass as they run away and leave him for dead. Then the 2nd MOH was going to be hush hush so the world didnt know Seals left a man behind, called an airstrike basically on his position and he still got back up continued fighting to his last mag, after already killing dudes with his bare hands. Those Seals were bitches then. And the one in charge always told a story that wasnt true but when the video came out he switched up fast. The.Navy was ok with Chapman getting a silver star but when it was upd to a MOH they through a fit and did everything to stop it. They ran from the fight. Well 2 never even moved up the hill. Then that 1 guy left his ass when he charged into the bunker and needed him the most.

[@jimpowell2296]

@@tonyfknb3896 you are angry. The Navy has zip, zero, nada to do with the Air Force awarding medals. Pretty simple. Listen to the interview of the books author.

[@tonyfknb3896]

@@jimpowell2296 brother do some research. Major politics went into that shit. And it was all under jsoc. But long story short everyone agreed he deserved the 1st moh but when video came out and shows seals leaving him and he gets up continued fighting preventing a heli from getting rpgd they wanted to award him another. Thats when there was major pushback because made the seals look bad. So thats why the coward that ran away and left men got a MOH too. Dude lied his ass his whole career and then when video came out changed his story fast. But do research man. All i can say. Lot of bs happened that op. The pilots did interviews on podcasts, there is ex sf that has talked about it. You can listen to the team leader seals interviews before and after video when he changes shit. They talk about the moh politics and all that transpired in interviews or podcasts as well. There is books. Rangers have interviews on it. The f16 or f15 pilots have done interviews from that day. Documentaries and shows on it still that you can watch. So im not just pulling this out my ass man. The Navy only awarded their man a MOH to save face. And they tried everything in their power to make sure Chapman didnt get that 2nd one. But truth always finds a way. Just up to you to research it now. I did.

[@jimpowell2296]

Command Master Chief Britt Slabinski, who at the time was a Senior Chief in DEVGRU Blue Squadron, was the Team Leader of Mako 30, said Three-Zero. MSgt. Chapman, at the time TSgt. was the USAF Combat Controller of Mako 30. CMC Slabinski has a very good reputation in the Navy. I say Navy not just SEAL Teams to prove a point. CMC Slabinski was a ‘Force-level’ Command Master Chief when he retired. He worked all over the place outside of DEVGRU as a Senior Enlisted Adviser. Why do I bring this up? You don’t get into positions like this, let alone half a dozen of them continually by being an untrustworthy liar. So lets get to the grit. Mako 30 was under an incredible amount of enemy fire from all directions. They had already lost 1 team member from Mako 30 when their Chinook was hit by an RPG , causing Petty Officer Neil Robert to be thrown out of the helicopter. At this point, the protocol was for the helicopter to retreat from the area. However Sablinski who had tactical control, overrode protocol. He ordered the helicopter to put them down at the summit very close to where Roberts had been ejected. If Slabinski was so dishonorable as to leave behind Chapman, why would he risk his team and go back in when he didn’t have to? He could have let the helo leave, following orders and been completely in the right. This element right here totally proves Slabinski’s meddle. Common sense would tell us there is no need to even contemplate anything further. But I digress. The incredible amount of enemy fire I talked about before took a toll on all members of Mako 30. Roberts was already dead. Chapman was down and not ambulatory after his charge on the bunker. That left Slabinski and 4 other DEVGRU SEALs. All 5 of them were wounded, 3 critically so. Slabinski thought Roberts and Chapman were dead, so he made the decision to break contact and try to escape in the direction of Mako 31 which was further down the mountain. Command Master Chief Britt Slabinski should have no shame. Chapman was down. He was unconscious for 5 hours. We know this because the Predator had eyes on him the entire time. The same Predator….the entire time. Why did I highlight that bit about the Predator you ask? Yeah this is the part that no one is talking about. The Predator in question was overhead throughout. Now to the follow on mission. The QRF, aka Quick Reaction Force, was launched quickly after Mako 31 called ‘No Joy’. QRF was from the 1st Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. They had little info to go on, just that someone was missing. So many things broke, that this was all the info they had. The QRF about Razor 01 and Razor 02 went in to Mako 31 and Mako 30 respectively. Razor 02 was hit as soon as it touched down near the same bunker that ate up Mako 30. A Chinook helicopter with 12 Rangers and 2 Airman met the same fires that the 6 member of Mako 30 took on. The same amount of incredible fire. RPG’s, Mortars and Machine-gun fire. So much so that the QRF needed air support in a dire fashion. They initially turned down an F-15E with 500 pound bombs. They were 100 meters from the bunker, so 500 pound bombs would have resulted in killing the Rangers too. Wait a minute! The Predator is still up there. The QRF USAF Combat Controller has been talking to the Predator the entire time. The Predator has 2 Hellfire Missiles. QRF decides to call for the fire. The Predator puts its first Hellfire down, its off target however. QRF asks for the next one and they get it, the next Hellfire destroys the bunker. Keep this in mind for later, the QRF didnt know Mako 30 had 2 casualties possible still at this summit bunker. The Predator, never said a word. The QRF from Razor 01 joins up with the Razor 02 Rangers and they make their way up to the bunker. When they get to the bunker, they find 2 dead friendlies. They would turn out to be Roberts and Chapman. The big whoop here? Chapman was inside the bunker. Did the enemy capture him or find his body and bring him in? Well the Predator saw him fight his way into the bunker. Considering the fire the bunker brought on the QRF, Chapman had to have been dead. It would have been nice if the Predator could have shared that info with the QRF, because they initially thought they killed both Chapman and Roberts. Chapman regained consciousness and started fighting the bunker again. He was an absolute stud! Talk about a hard MFer right? Why didnt the Predator communicate this to the SEALs in Mako 30/31 or to the QRF? And here is where the real cowards come in to play. It was a shift change. The Predator made several shift changes to different pilots. They never bothered to do turnovers. So when time came for the QRF to ask the Predator to put a missile into the bunker, the pilot never had a clue. And they didnt pass any word to the QRF. This last part is the real controversy. This video took over a decade to get out and took alot of pressure from another veteran Combat Controller to get peoples attention. Dan Schilling, a Combat Controller and friend of Chapman, was a veteran of the Battle of Mogadishu, aka Blackhawk Down. Why didnt the video come out? The USAF was ashamed that is why. I first heard about there being video from a Predator in 2002. The rumors talked about Neil fighting it out on the ridge. Which was true but there was no video of that. The Predator didn’t take notice of the ridge until after Roberts was likely already dead. Everyone knew there was a video but, it didnt come out because of the secrecy behind the units that made up Mako 30/31, or so they said for a long, long time. Slabinski didn’t know what was on the video until he saw it on the news. The SEAL commander of the initial mission, Commander Hyder never knew about the video until he saw it on the news. Captain The Predator unit should be ashamed. The entities that spread fake news about CMC Slabinski leaving a man behind should be ashamed. The entities that made up news about NSWC blocking a medal should be ashamed.

[@mvubu6823]

Matthew Cole is a blessing.... Just outstanding

[@jeffg3975]

The mission was a shit shoe from the very beginning. Slabinski had more than enough justification to cancel the mission. As a former SOF team leader myself, I’d rather face disciplinary consequences than hand a folded flag to my teammates widow. That’s what it comes down to. I don’t give a shit if God himself told me to occupy that mountain top. The team comes first. I have sympathy for Slab but he didn’t deserve the Medal. Not even close. NSW should be ashamed of themselves for how they managed the situation with Chapman and AFSOC. Had it not been for the leaked drone footage we would have never known the truth.

[@nvsnake1489]

I won't say how the SEAL teams retaliated was right or wrong, but I completely understand how enraged they were learning one of their brothers had his head nearly cutoff. To the SEALs at that point, honor and mercy were thrown out the window.

[@paddylight737]

I’ll say it, it was very wrong, but it’s also very easy to understand the state of mind that got them there

[@CaesarCassius]

Indeed the SEALs were not a unit ready for war, their reaction was very immature and dishonorable. They are a disgrace, and yet continue to brag about themselves inspite of all their battlefield failures. It was not surprising that they tried to discredit the real hero, Airman John Chapman, in order to cover up their own shame.

[@hankrichardson9057]

Well to me it reminds me of when the native Americans were scalping the Brits, but the reason why the native Americans started scalping people was because the Brits was paying anyone that brought in a body or some proof of killing native American people, women and children, so then the native Americans started scalping then they didn't start it their enemies did so they returned the same treatment they were getting

[@orlandohenao1318]

What do you expect?......america did bombed all over Afghanistan...civilian or militan the bomb doesn't choose who is the victim.

[@MrGunwitch]

These guys should've been above 'retaliation' though, they're supposed to be professionals. As deplorable as mutilating Robert's corpse was, he was already dead and nothing was going to bring him back. Psychological ploys like body mutilation etc. are a sign of weakness, generally only the inferior side in an asymmetric war resorts to such things.

[@HarryHafsak]

Just finished reading Alone at Dawn last night. Wow.

[@zac3392]

One of the most heroic stories ever… RIP CCT John Chapman.

[@jeff3229]

Amazing book

[@Arbiter710]

@@zac3392 I never even knew till recently that Chapman was attached to a CIA paramilitary team

[@zac3392]

@@Arbiter710 I don’t think they work with CIA; this battle he was imbedded with DevGru in JSOC…

[@Arbiter710]

@@zac3392 it was another Chapman that was a green beret that I’m thinking of

[@Za7a7aZ]

I noticed a significant change when it comes to seal teams...not so very long ago these teams had a myth status and their missions never sdurfaced to the public. But now their identities...if retired, when i am correct... and many declassified missions are all over the internet. Who gave the green light for that to happen.

[@joesgotya9930]

I mean Obama and Biden didn’t exactly set the standards for opsec after the Bin Laden raid. Lol That’s when the movies, book deals, podcasts and video games exploded with SEAL culture in everything.

[@hiramhaji7813]

Obama and the treasonous admirals

[@Slippindisc]

Maybe they’re not the top of the line unit anymore? Edit: that’s not to say they aren’t good, just that once your tier 0, black ops, secret squirrel spook unit gets exposed or too exposed, maybe you keep them, and create a new unit to fill that role? Why wouldn’t you?

[@sinbaon2154]

Almost As If A Public Perception, Is The Best Form Of Deception?

[@stephencarlson6028]

Navy recruitment hahahaha

[@klk1900]

The pilot confirmed no mutilation. But keep in mind the USAF bombed the hell out of his position so most likely someone made up that story to cover up the fact they bombed his position. But Alan gave a chilling detail about riding out where the vibration of the helo had his wrist shaking and he was wondering like “is he alive?”. But he said clearly the damage the bullet did he had no chance.

[@rickynutter7726]

There was. The ISR feed proved it.

[@franniba]

Reading the book Alone At Dawn shows how it was a bogus mission from the start.

[@AngloCelt88]

Neil Roberts fought alone against dozens of insurgents for at least 30 minutes in thigh deep snow. I'm not sure where Cole gets the nerve to say that he died pretty quickly, I'd bet thirty "seconds" against one person would be more than Cole could ever come close to being able to handle.

[@Iyengar7]

Thanks for speaking the truth. I hate cole more than his father hates cloe

[@adriansanabria9528]

Neil roberts died upon impact.it was John Chapman who rack his chest rack dry.all the other cct's who where all over that ridge line heard everything that went on.

[@11bravo1789]

Lets be absolutely clear. SEAL team 6 Left john Chapman for dead. Period.

[@Sub-Zero-392]

Nope. Stop the lies!

[@hornetgags]

@@Sub-Zero-392 Yep. Slabinzki lied...initial AAR he stated he checked Chapman for a pulse and confirmed he was dead...drone footage shows he never went near Chapman then changed his story that Chapman's laser had stopped moving so assumed he was dead.

[@craigstarling4704]

John Chapman is a total Badass !!!!

[@MarcoDollenz]

I was a childhood friend of Neil Roberts in woodland CA 1970`s, I learned of his fate recently, sad

[@thetelemarkdaydream8896]

Should be named Chapman's Ridge.

[@jimpowell2296]

Why, is his death more important than Roberts?

[@tihseht472]

​@@jimpowell2296why is Roberts death more important than Chapmans? See how the dumb shit you just said could be flipped easily. It's pretty obvious he means to AWARD Chapman for his proven heroics not to mention the seals covered up but that's whole different story but yeah it could/should be called Roberts Chapman ridge for all I care may they rest in peace.

[@scottmoore1289]

Loving Dave's shirt, strength of a grown man and a baby

[@dave_parke]

The eyes are the groin of the head.

[@mcguiz]

Interesting that there is never a mention of the Aussie SAS when the Roberts Ridge story is told in the US. This from the US Military Journal: Two Australian SAS teams, calling air strikes against the ring of attackers, saved the rescue group that was under intense fire from mortars, machine guns, and small arms. Spectre AC-130 gunships dumped 105millimeter fire into mujahideen positions while Apaches shot up enemy vehicles moving toward the fight along the narrow mountain roads twisting up steep valleys. Hagenbeck told the press that the “hilltop was surrounded, but we were pounding them all night long. We thought when morning came they were going to do a ground assault. They were poised to overrun the [U.S.] position. We gave everything we had to get those guys out.”

[@wolf7el356]

There have been a lot of SAS augmentations that have attached with Red Squadron DEVGRU, but they never get talked about because DEVGRU Operators love to take all the Glory for all their tactically inefficient failed missions.

[@CaesarCassius]

You are talking nonsense. The truth is that when I was a Navy Seal , I was flying my F-14 Tomcruise on a mission against Afghanistan when ten or actually twenty Al-Qaeda fighter jets tried to attack me. I immediately blew them up.

[@natowaveenjoyer9862]

@@wolf7el356 LMAO you wouldn't know what a failed mission is if it smacked you in the face.

[@joesgotya9930]

There were multiple AFO teams in the area calling fire missions on AQ positions in support Mako 30. The 3 leading AFO teams India, AFO Juliet (from Delta Force) and Mako 31 lead by a DevGru member call sign “Goody” .. Sorry but the SASR were not that pivotal in this operation lol

[@mcguiz]

@@joesgotya9930 lolll

[@kalebhowatt6380]

It's simply incredible on how resilient the human mind and body are.

[@jamesgormley5126]

There needs to be a movie made of this. Alone at dawn an incredible book!!!!

[@NotThatGuyPal.]

If my teammate’s head was almost cut off best believe I’m going after scalps too. “The righteous shall rejoice when they are avenged; they will wash their feet in the blood of the wicked”

[@JJ_SDWR]

Boy, it's interesting reading the comments from all the Free-Thinkers who lash out & get emotional because they heard somebody say something somewhat unflattering about a specific military unit. Folks, HERO WORSHIP IS BAD!

[@wolf7el356]

It's a lot of Bootlickers who never served that think they're doing something Honorable by kissing up to SEALS. People seem to really struggle with comprehending that Matt is an investigative journalist who interviewed several hundred SEALS both active duty & retired & this is their account of what the issues are within DEVGRU. DEVGEU Operators themselves were the ones who told Matt these stories & were the ones who told them that they feel their culture has gotten completely out of control due to a lack of accountability. People think Matt just pulled this stuff out of thin Air without realizing that several dozen DEVGRU guys many of whom are still currently active duty reached out to him & gave him information to put in his book.

[@natowaveenjoyer9862]

The cynicism that regards hero worship as comical is always overshadowed by a sense of physical inferiority.

[@joesgotya9930]

A lot people forget it was the Mako 31 DevGru team leader “Goody” and his element that destroyed one of the pivotal AQ positions early in the operation. The fighters had a entrenched DShK position pointed right down the valley where US helos would of flown into. This DevGru element killed all fighters and completely destroyed the position. The Delta Force AFO cell leader Col, Pete Blaber gave Goody much praise. I have my own criticisms of DeVGru and SEALs in general, but there absolutely are some cases where the SEALs pulled off some very talented and professional work in this time frame. Goody is a legend in the JSOC community and after Anaconda he would later be among some of the 1st JSOC operators to go hunt AQ in North Africa and all over the Levant.

[@gquinones1836]

The book “Alone at Dawn” talks in depth about this mission and the incidents that occurred. Very detailed, highly recommended.

[@stevebanning902]

The brazen attitude of the seals is what got them in trouble. It's said that they didn't speak with any of the troops on the ground who would have been able to tell them that particular mountain ridge was much more fortified than intelligence lead on.

[@GkGSparks]

Chapmans' Medal of Honor is the only recorded MoH gallance ever recorded. There's an entire drone video of it.

[@devondecore4074]

The very nature of these units are to do the dirty work that is needed to fight an enemy that has no rules of engagement. No one here has any right to judge these men. Have they gone too far at times? Perhaps, but most people in first world country’s don’t have to see how ugly the real world gets. They need to fight with the gloves off and when our country relies on them consistently like we do it clearly changes them to a point where anyone not in these units can recognize. Understanding how ruthless you need to be with this type of enemy is hard to do on the sidelines. Kill them with kindness or pacifism, is not an effective military strategy and people who don’t except that don’t have any notion of what the world is like outside of the walls they live in.

[@stevebanning902]

Mutilating dead bodies serves absolutely no purpose other than enraging the enemy in the same manner that robert's situation enraged the seals.

[@APK-pn4qh]

Amen. 😎

[@joshuafonzi7291]

Bunk

[@fuddyruckers3]

The Seals were pretty cowardly. If they followed Chapman's lead they could've taken the mountain easily. Instead they ran away and hid until the Rangers and another CCT showed up to save the day, getting some of them killed as well. That's why they're overrated. They can't function in actual combat. They like to kill people while they're blinded with flashbangs or in the dark with night-vision. Without their precious technology they are honestly worse than the normal infantry.

[@longtabsigo]

And this team 6 mindset and lack of leadership and spine, led to two of them murdering a Special Forces soldier in Mali….fst6

[@ScoobyShotU]

Easy to talk shit in ur comfy house thousands of miles away from conflict...

[@longtabsigo]

@@ScoobyShotU what makes you think that has anyfuckingthing to do with my comment? Team 6 had serious issues, if you don’t think murder is a big thing, then it is you who is being milquetoast. I paid my dues in 5 combat tours, in 2 of them I had to, in some way, untuck what seals fucked up. I speak from personal experience. I’m waiting to hear your bona fides.

[@jfg1104]

@@ScoobyShotU exactly! Well said

[@rp4712]

@@ScoobyShotU Tony DeDolph choked out and killed Green Beret Logan Melgar in Mail because he threatened to report the SEALs for money laundering. He’s been given a criminal charge, along with another DEVGRU operator and 2 marine Raiders. TF you on about?

[@INoticeTooMuch1]

@@ScoobyShotU do you even know the story of what happened in mali? The seals and a couple marine raiders wanted to break into his room. Restrain him, tie him up and strip him naked. Then they were going to get a Malian guard to tie his belt around his neck and pose for pictures so they could blackmail him. Basically making it look like he was involved in some kind of homosexual BDSM activity. The green beret had apparently told other people that he was tired of the seals immature behavior and attitudes. So he had probably told them to their faces at some point and they wanted revenge. If they went so far as to attempt to do something this bad and accidentally killed him in the process it’s probably a good guess they were immature Assholes and the green beret was in the right to criticize them.

[@daveh9551]

There is no such thing as "War crimes", just counter terrorism. You dont win battles or wars playing by THE rules. That simple. Neil was a HUGE presence in not just Team 6, but throughout the entire community of NSW. I remember him from when I was in Coronado and he was an ultra professional. He always wanted to be prepared and have as much gear as necessary The very last thing I remember him doing was pocketing some extra supplies at gear issue while the supply guy was walking ahead of us issuing gear. The guy is talking and Neil is just saying "uh huh uh huh" while walking behind him taking stuff from the containers . It was hilarious. He was beloved by the community and back in those days we weren't friends, we were and are brothers. So, when that happened to him it wasnt a team mate who was dishonored, it was our brother. People to this day do not understand how it was back then. You backed your brothers play, no questions asked and you said nothing. Of course those officers went for a ride because its the Chiefs who drive the teams, not the officers.

[@tanny786]

well you still lost the war your so called counter terrorism failed Afghanistan's terrain is a grave yard for super powers

[@vitigaymer1053]

​@tanny786 well the Taliban/Al Qaeda/ISIS killed on average like 2 SEALs a year. Whilst the SEALs killed many more than 2 militants a year in Afghanistan so they def got their get back.

[@jakelachance4408]

The Government wasn't trying to win a war. They were trying to keep the business of war running. Don't blame the warrior for what the corrupt politicians do.

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

​@@tanny786Such an idiotic sentiment. The war wasn't lost, the reconstruction was. They're the ones who have to suffer with it, not us.

[@jimpowell2296]

@@tanny786wrong the politicians lost the war. Have you ever served?

[@michaelreed9805]

When the enemy does this to a team-mate...they better watch their six...it's going to come

[@razdaz02]

Alone at Dawn, is a fantistic account.

[@siggifreud812]

What was the "lesson learned" from Neil Roberts "falling" out of the Chinook? (was it a "freak accident", due to the RPG impact and the resulting "funky" flight attitude of the Helo that threw him out, OR was he not following a particular protocol, which would basically mean it was his own fault)? I never saw anything confirming exactly why this happened.

[@BillyN31]

The special ops guys don’t have to be tethered to the helo like say the crew chief. The pilot probably did an evasive maneuver and he fell

[@siggifreud812]

@@BillyN31 thanks Billy; I had/have no idea what the "SOP" is during ingress/egress.

[@brandonbogue6740]

RPG hits inside the helo, lot of oil and hydraulic fluids spraying the deck of the helo; coupled with evasive maneuvers by the pilot.

[@kxkxkxkx]

@@BillyN31 yes, they do... That is why there is a crew "chief" and everyone follows their instructions ☝️ Roberts unclipped his snaplink early and that's why he was the only one to fall out...

[@XRakkgruntX]

@@brandonbogue6740that’s what I was told also by Neil’s brother Sean.

[@jeffdarnell7942]

Neil Roberts was the first SEAL killed during the War on Terror, after 9-11. Or that I know of.

[@iiiiii3300]

Do I see DnD 5E on that book shelf

[@anthonylewis1980]

And people wana talk shit because team 6 cut savages up with hachets .... after hearing this story I don't blame them. RIP Niel Roberts and those lost that day

[@WTF....1982]

Seriously! It's War! These guys are not robots. I would have felt the exact same way. Also, fighting brutally like they did had a huge impact on the mindset on the enemy. All learned in Vietnam.

[@anthonylewis1980]

@@WTF....1982 have a good fourth brother 🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@JJ_SDWR]

And for every local they hatcheted, 2 or 3 new insurgents wanting American blood, meaning more Americans dead in the long run.

[@anthonylewis1980]

@@JJ_SDWR I didn't say it was a good tactic it's obviously not the way to go for many reasons . I'm just not going to judge them or call them criminals for their actions .

[@JJ_SDWR]

@@anthonylewis1980 well, if they're guilty of a war CRIME, then by definition those involved are criminals. The question is whether or not it was justified considering what they dealt with at that point. I won't knock anyone for their opinion on that one way or another, but I guarantee there were Americans KIA years after this by folks who saw their family/neighbor etc killed by Americans in their country (deserved or not.) In hindsight its hard to feel like any of these deaths were worth it but that's why they say it's 20/20.

[@rnp497]

Read Not a Good Day to Die - it covers the whole Operation Anaconda

[@joesgotya9930]

Greet book, but Alone at Dawn is the more accurate account of what happened regarding Roberts Ridge. I don’t think Sean Naylor had the insight at the time regarding what Chapman did. Very few people knew.

[@F110mech]

The John Chapan story was a major integrity check for Navy SEAL brass and they failed that check miserably!

[@314rappin]

Unless civilians are harmed I have 0 problems with them doing things. When you fight with rules and regulations dictating what you do you're bound to fail

[@whata86]

Can someone explain why John Chapman was left behind. I’m not hating and have never been in the military. Just want to know what happened. Did they think he was dead? Was comms not working. Did he not respond back. Just curious. I’m going to read alone at dawn . Just don’t know if anyone had more info. Thanks !

[@butter_akbar2688]

One of the Seal team 6 members came to my school today.

[@DanielSmith-lv5ed]

Professional gambler/ai programmer here. Bored of time right now but was over there around that time period. There were shinanagins in those days. Aint gonna go into depth but can always look back and say " so thats why they did this" "so thats why they did that" but ill always know i kept it real. Its sad because the political arena will destroy everything to grasp power. Some people if you ask them for a bottle of cold water theyll go get you one

[@DanielSmith-lv5ed]

My bad, wrong time period

[@johnmontemiranda5102]

Very deep conversation, i believe that one topic not toched

[@nicktomei7642]

When your dealing with an evil like they saw. There’s only one thing they will make them understand. War is primal.

[@michaelhiggins9850]

People can talk a lot about war afterwards and say a lot about it . For the guys that was in that war in situation , it was do or die , no rules for your enemy has got no rules except for getting you and your team killed . In those seconds you got to do or die , no time first think about it , bullets don't think . War is one off the most ugliest things on earth , to talk a lot of bs afterwards and owers to spend on the subject doesn't help any . All of the men and people that lost their lives can't be brought back , its not a playstation game and should be prevented . Respect the dead for they payed the ultimate price .

[@Merica333-e6r]

War is war and u cant win by being nicer than your enemy...

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

Only SEALS call it 'Roberts Ridge'...... the rest of the world that understands the COMPLETE Story calls it 'Chapmans Ridge', because Chapman OWNED that battlespace, alone, critically injured and fighting for his life against insurmountable odds. *John A Chapman is the Hero of that day.*

[@adamgajewski81]

I'd have figured how to air drop wood chippers for them.

[@davidschaadt3460]

Feet first.

[@jesseolson3142]

So what? Their teammate was almost beheaded so they wanted some revenge. So? I hope they got some.

[@FredVanAllenRealtor]

The begining of the end of unqualified repect for Seals.

[@LK-bz9sk]

Men go kill the dangerous enemy…..No not like that.

[@Mike-fj9si]

I highly doubt devgru never got ops before 9/11 yeah I'm sure delta was preferred but I'm sure these guys have run quite a few missions that are classified

[@michaelwoodall9022]

John Chapman = True Badass

[@seantbr2019]

He must have been covered because Alan Mack rode on the MH47 next to Neil Roberts on the way back to wherever they were going to and he says that he was not mutilated he was shot in the head though so who knows what's true

[@raphmaster23]

I think they should have a picture of Chapman in that thumbnail as well.

[@MikeMaulhardt]

PO 1st, Neil Roberts, Woodland, CA

[@karlney8769]

Chapman is a legend!

[@stevewillis5692]

This is exactly why we have lost every war since WWII. We have to fight nice. If you're fighting a war that you intend to win you fight nastier and dirtier than your enemy. Phycological warfare is a big advantage to use against your enemy. And if you're not willing to fight this way to win the war then don't start. The war to begin with

[@chrisingram5777]

There still jv to delta!

[@jimpowell2296]

Did you serve? Pretty bold statement. Who took out Bin Laden.

[@Mikecarr6204]

Delta was busy that night

[@BasedSif]

this book is so good.

[@sirtango1]

Here is the link to the video of Roberts Ridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaCufp2KpsmHj9Esi=rooRMxb6TrrkEoNy

[@GATOR_MCLUSKY]

you keep everything internal thats the culture in all proud teams

[@nicknickerson2124]

You’re accountable to the troops to your left and right.

[@chadgesell1274]

The problem was that it was once again a Shit Show from the get go from Higher Up making the "Right/Wrong Decisions"! There was soo many Signs from (what I read) the get go that this Operation was not on Time, Time Retraints, too many Technical mishaps, not enough Support. I mean it seemed like the people making the call was forcing this tragedy to happen. Just like putting Our Service People in Danger in some Shithole Valley with Mountains all around and ask them to Survive...smh These Higher Ups need to have been Relieved of Command and Kicked out of the Military before they even Implemented these ideas. I am Forever Grateful for the Extraordinary Sacrifices that Our Men and Women make to Protect Americans and others from Evil in the World!

[@Kghost0311]

Let's about how this was tactical f up by trying to land on the X

[@vettevegas]

Talks about the Medals of Honor.

[@CaesarCassius]

Indeed the SEALs were not a unit ready for war, their reaction was very immature and dishonorable. They are a disgrace, and yet continue to brag about themselves inspite of all their battlefield failures. It was not surprising that they tried to discredit the real hero, Airman John Chapman, in order to cover up their own shame.

[@rossthomson1958]

What were some of their battlefield “failures” exactly?

[@King_Koolkaine]

@@rossthomson1958Operation Red Wings could be considered a failure.

[@kdiddy7076]

It sounds like these officers are also of the opinion that the death penalty is not a deterrent. I would suggest that ultra aggressive tactics definitely have a psychological effect on the motivation of the enemy. FAFO

[@josephsmith6777]

Finding out just how fd up the dam neck guys got is very disappointing

[@ojsimpsonofficial]

Good stuff

[@doublemgslix884]

Chapman wasn't left behind!!!they got separated watch the video listen and watch closely! The seals didn't leave him

[@GATOR_MCLUSKY]

yaw can pull up the footage of the aar when they went up to document all enemy bodies and american equip,ment in place give ya a better idea , its worth wathcing

[@davidraper6178]

Huh! I'm glad you knew what was going on,

[@Mr.mike..125]

Don Shipley you call everyone out!!! Call out your son✌️

[@leehess6335]

Hey what ever they did those guys those operators but I’ve never been in that position if they were not told to go do something they were not supposed to do. Breaking the rules every time you’re sending these guys right into the line of fire and these guys knew that but you see a friend a teammate died in a brutal way because of the brass and the war just started so guys that were on the special operations I’m sure they had a different mindset meaning they signed up for this but the stuff that hasn’t been going on for years yet so these guys probably did not have their self prepared mentally to deal with that type of stuff that’s A natural response if you’re out shooting a gun at the gun range I’m just giving a scenario and you and your best runner shooting and some guy just comes up and kills your friend for no reason right in front of you and you got your gun in your hand what are you gonna do you’re gonna empty that magazine on that guy and I’m sure if he’s with somebody he’s going to get it to I’m sure it’s not something he wanted to do but in your mind it’s like walking into your bedroom and somebody sleeping with your wife you are not right in your mind your brain is not thinking clearly and people have got locked up and went to court and won I think it was Texas this guy I had this guy working on his farm and he walked into the barn and caught the guy trying to rape or raping his daughter he killed kill that guy with his bare hands he beat him to death 😱🙀🤯🤯

[@Coltys.fishing.adventures.]

Sea turtles should never have been in a land war. Ever.

[@scottinohio701]

Chapman-------Nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Sub-Zero-392]

You weren't there! Nuff said!

[@twotatanka5396]

So he’s sayin they went for scalps. Never heard about this hope there’s more info

[@tr7b410]

The mission statement, when an obvious suicide mission needs to be addressed. Wasting a valuable asset=SEAL TEAM for some stupid non-essential mountain top should have forced the mission planners into the weeds by a higher authority.

[@vettevegas]

Dude, they landed on top of 2+ bunkers. They never did an IR scan? Epic FAIL.

[@LittlehorseReynolds]

I remember back in the day when I served in the airforce (not special anything, just regular.) that these stories would never make it to the public. Wish it was still that way.

[@lordsatan1473]

Get some!!!

[@reggierico]

To hear Mr. Cole infer that the team members of Seal Team 6 were seeing combat for the first time I believe is a false statement. They had been involved in combat operations for over 20 years throughout Central America, the Middle East, Africa, Bosnia, et.al.. I ran into a Seal Team 6 plank owner, original member, during Operation Just Cause in Panama in 1989. He had been in numerous operations in the past, including Grenada in 1983, when Seal Team 6 was in its infancy.

[@stevebanning902]

None of those things were real war. Those were operations against small clandestine 'militias'.. basically a walk in the park for any american trained unit. This was a full scale, multi country effort war where sourrounding nations were training and sending millions of fighters and resources into the battle to fight against the americans.

[@chumpobumpo]

I mean, he is implying it’s the first sort of operation where ST6 would be purposefully engaged in large scale, combined arms, ground direction. I doubt many of the members who served in Granada would still be around in 2002. Prior to Afghanistan, the closest experience they had was Bosnia, and their focus was not to get in firefights, but scratch and grab missions. I don’t think he’s implying ST6 weren’t well trained and elite, which they obviously were, it’s just at that time, this sort of operation wasn’t their MO, and in the battle for budgets and recognition from the DoD, they needed a “win”.

[@biggshow1045]

Bm2 was my cousin and we've been told 3 different versions. Sending 5 seals to do anything other than hits. How do you commit war crimes in a war. I think every morning they should show the world trade centers collapsing. Why should we have laws on war when the enemy follows their own laws. Guys like you think you know everything about what was going on. Let's talk about Maersk Alabama and 5 other ships . Bring that one up. Capt. Philips has alot of money.

[@buffhorses3632]

I respect everyone who fights for this country but goddamn dude the amount of stories that are coming out about the seals lack of professionalism is just nuts.

[@F110mech]

Yeah, they tend to have a trash reputation wherever they go.

[@AGfrom83]

The mandate of tier 1 guys changed post 9/11. They went from hostage rescue, to kill/capture. Then after the enhanced interrogation program went down in flames, suddenly there is no real incentive to capture the majority of targets either. So these guy were being instructed to go out and kill people. Who are we to tell them the way they should have done it? If they were deliberately killing people they knew were noncombatants, they should go to jail. No question. But if a guy is shooting at them one minute, runs away and throws his weapon because they are gonna catch him. I couldn't care less if they shoot him. Because he's just gonna be trying to kill the next guys he gets the chance to. As far as scalping goes? I don't give a fuck either. I have no idea what it feels like to have one of my friends killed like that. I'm not gonna tell people who have, that they are erong fir getting revenge. Or that they are getting revenge the wrong way.

[@chitownlivingston7007]

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your point of view, this isn't unique. Happened in almost every war we fought... Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan, the Civil War... to my knowledge... I can't speak to 1812 or the Revolutionary War. Anyone knowledgeable on these latter two?

[@Chris-xv7wd]

Thank God for CAG. Powell should had disbanded ST6 after Grenada.

[@charlesbukowski9836]

why?

[@Chris-xv7wd]

@@charlesbukowski9836 because they are celebrities not soldiers

[@natowaveenjoyer9862]

cringe

[@Chris-xv7wd]

@@natowaveenjoyer9862 cringe? You must under 25.

[@natowaveenjoyer9862]

@@Chris-xv7wd I'd rather be under 25 than subscribe to "burn it all down" cynicism like yourself.

[@deejay2294]

It showed Seal Team Six will lie, it's literally the 1st of many lies told to hold up soldiers that don't deserve it, while censoring the soldiers that do. To the point they talked on a great man's grave for 15 years It's hard to have the same respect for the teams after John Chapman and Reed Wins

[@scp1070locker-be6um]

prophet roberts challenged all religious leaders to a debate to prove he is God of earth

[@SaintsUnited144K]

Nothing new really. Plenty of false prophets have led people astray. And there are many more since your post... Jesus Christ is the Son of God, there is no other person by which we can be saved.

[@bradleytrainor7856]

Rotting fish start stinking from the head. The initial problem at both Robert's Ridge and the later Redwing Operation, which were arguably both SEAL team failures, started when high level Navy Officers gave orders about SEAL team deployments. High level Navy Officers are sailors not land combatants. This is a fundamental problem: navel based infantry units. Too many people in the chain of command lack the training and experience to make wise, informed decisions about the deployment of what is essentially combat infantry.

[@cxptainfordo275]

Pretty sure Roberts didn't even make it on the helo originally, tl just booked it without accounting for team, than when they came back for him, they left another man behind, than when they came back again 4 rangers died....but the navy thinks slab is a hero who deserves a moh gtfoh

[@RANKRANTGENX]

ST6 was and will never be JV to any SMU. It’s because JSOC is headed by Army and Marines that the were not first in line. No disrespect To the D boys there anybody else but that’s just reality. Seal team six has far more DAs and any of that.

[@ninadesilov1415]

People forget all special ops fight on on gorilla an terrorist terms

[@josephsmith6777]

The bent up rifle of roberts is in one of the dam neck team rooms

[@nickm1986]

Not to be too technical but the phrase isn’t blew smoke but pop smoke

[@johnathonmullis4234]

I didn’t understand why the seals grouped up after they dismounted their helo. Chapman did a wonderful job and should have gotten 2 MOH’s. I don’t know why the seals left him but what happened to never leaving a team member behind? I heard their CO bought them all tomahawks to use in their missions. I’m sure they wanted revenge but they’re supposed to be professional’s. Once the command encouraged war crimes there was no reeling the seals back in. If murder and mutilation is acceptable then what isn’t? It’s funny looking back at seal team 6’s CO lecturing the seals because 3-4 had positive drug tests. I can almost understand self medicating to deal with the traumatic imagery and stuff they were being required to do. The seals should be disbanded and the other spec ops guys get the missions. Leave naval special warfare in the water. Just saying

[@Overitall805]

At no time in all the history of war has it been like we in America choose to fight now. Our leaders (politicians) don't fight to win wars , they fight to stay in office, get votes, and look good doing it. In this dynamic, we handicap ourselves. 10 out of 10 times our enemies do not play by the rules we impose on ourselves.

[@joshkitson7926]

I honestly believe that nobody who spends their life in comfort writing books is not allowed to have an opinion on any of this shit

[@jonanderson4755]

Luckily nobody cares about what you think people should or shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on.

[@anthonylewis1980]

I agree 100 percent!

[@SMerucy888]

Such a narrow way of thinking. If people aren't allowed to critique the bad actions of others, then no one is going to be held accountable

[@waveygravey3575]

I honestly think you should lead by example and shut up

[@anthonylewis1980]

@@SMerucy888 and who the hell are you to judge these men's actions as "bad" you have no idea what it's like to recover a friend's body that's been decapitated.