How Rotten Ownership Extinguished The Minnesota North Stars

[@atoz0to9999]

"Dude, Where's My Franchise?" is a hit, I hope they come out with more

[@Birenball]

Appreciate you!

[@steveostlie7575]

14:12

[@DanB-ez8fz]

@@BirenballIt’s a great series! Keep it coming!

[@ColdSnapVA]

@@Birenball This is great. I hope it's not ending soon--there's great material for the Hartford Whalers...don't forget to mention their amazing logo and theme song!

[@SpooksDinat]

Loving this Hockey History vid series! And the North Stars' 1988-91 Green Jersey is still my all time favourite jersey design!!!!

[@Birenball]

Thanks for watching!

[@tonymeehan7859]

I'm actually going to pick one up today from Marketplace, classic CCM 80's green

[@SpooksDinat]

@@tonymeehan7859 Nice!

[@JayCail]

@@tonymeehan7859 I wear my green north stars t shirt in NYC and get at least 5-7 "hey, cool shirt" comments every time Same with Quebec Nordiques shirt

[@tonymeehan7859]

@@JayCail when I brought it home, I was so pumped to own it! Man it is a gorgeous jersey! Got a green Whalers one earlier this yr, Verbeek. Once you have them, the colors are just awesome. Whalers is one of my all time favs

[@dourmoose]

Huge North Stars fan as a kid. Caesar Maniago, Gump Worsley, Bill Goldsworthy, “Moose” Vasko. Backyard hockey rinks and new hockey skates every Christmas. Minnesota was a great place to be a kid

[@christopherdonaldson8231]

Bill Masterton (RIP) on the ice

[@tonymeehan7859]

for me it was Meloche, was a huge fan, even painted my mask like his as a lid

[@BinaryRetroClips]

Awesome.

[@fratzogmopars]

Not so much now with the new imported citizens.

[@michaelleroy9281]

Former Blackhawk Moose Vasko

[@1982kinger]

Stars should never have left Minnesota

[@chiefkeef74]

Then they'd be as shit as the Mild

[@bridesblade5307]

@@chiefkeef74 Much better than the Mild N.S. were always able to punch back come playoffs the Wild suck.

[@tonymeehan7859]

@@chiefkeef74 the Mild lol

[@jdicarlo3654]

and Barons should have never left Cleveland

[@karlc2869]

​@@jdicarlo3654And Whalers shouldn't have left Hartford.

[@TheBorderGeek]

These NHL vids are why I'm subscribed.

[@AdamSmith-cq9pi]

The Stars have been in Dallas longer than the North Stars were in MN. That still blows my mind. My last North Stars game was 1991, game 3 against the Cup Defending Oilers. It was electric! I wanted season tickets so bad, but they moved before a early 20s kid could afford them. So I had Wild season tickets the first 4 seasons, had a blast. My seats were below the 1 banner raised in the video. The Norm Green chants and Bettman boos were deafening. lol

[@sammysmith9818]

Ha took my dad to that game. He was never a hockey fan till I took him. Your right, the place was rockin, my dad became a hockey fan and then they moved

[@humanbeing2420]

The mention of contemporary historical events in the introduction is a really nice touch. This is top notch content.

[@JUVI9596]

As a Winnipegger I understand this video very well

[@erikthorne]

Kub or City Bread? I prefer Gunn's myself and Metro Meats on Euclid for kubasa.

[@texasranger7262]

Jets r doing well now!

[@JUVI9596]

@@texasranger7262 in the season yes….in the playoffs 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@michaelleroy9281]

What about those rumors about the current Jets in 2024?

[@JUVI9596]

@@michaelleroy9281 the Jets aren’t going anywhere. They have the richest owners in the NHL It’s a million times different than the situation in 1996

[@rngfootball759]

Terrible ownership doomed the north stars. Such a shame the state of hockey has yet to have a stanley cup title.

[@yomammy13]

And terrible political leaders. State should have sold the building to green, and the Civic center should have closed. He was ready to connect to the Mall and expand the building footprint

[@yeetymagee961]

Pisses me off that Dallas took our team and won the Stanley cup right after they left.

[@nickdavies2415]

You love to see it

[@crosstatt7441]

I’m not from Minnesota, but there’s no guarantee that the Minnesota North Stars would’ve won the Stanley Cup Finals had they stayed. It’s certainly a possibility, though.

[@danbratten3103]

They would not have one the Cup in Minnesota in 99 because oil tycoon named Hicks would not have bought the team and dumped a bunch of money into the team for players like Brett Hull, Sergi Zubov, Ed Belfour, and more players.

[@MazeDaGr8]

Yeah that has to sting

[@yeetymagee961]

@@ETClipzz nah Dallas has shitty fans

[@MrGUnit27]

Loving this series! I'm getting my popcorn ready for the eventual Oakland/California (Golden) Seals episode. That franchise was a flaming hot mess

[@sportsmaster1364]

Wonder if they'll do what UrinatingTree did when covering that franchise, and connect it to the San Jose Sharks. Seems only logical.

[@Paul-qr5bq]

You nailed it! The move should have never happened. In fact, Gary Bettman said that if he knew then what he knows now, the North Stars would have stayed in Minnesota.

[@sjdrifter72]

Notice that all these relocations and expansions to non traditional markets all happened once that weasel became Commissioner.

[@anthonyemerson2965]

@@sjdrifter72I’m loath to defend Bettman, but with the exception of Atlanta and Arizona, most of these teams have been very successful economically if not on the ice.

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

I don’t think Gary Bettman is to blame for the North Stars leaving. The official announcement that the North Stars were moving was made about a month or so after Gary Bettman became the NHL’s first commissioner. However, I’m sure the move was a done deal prior to Bettman taking office. Gil Stein was the NHL’s final president before Gary Bettman became commissioner. For some reason the NHL referred to its top executive as the president before they created the commissioner’s position.

[@sjdrifter72]

@@veggieoilerfan2940 He is to blame for all of this. He became commissioner in 1992 and his mission was to expand to non-hockey markets. Instead of giving those markets expansion teams, his biggest failure was preventing teams in legit markets from leaving. The North Stars, Nordiques, the original Jets, and Whalers would still be around he had fought to keep them in their cities the same way he fought for his beloved Coyotes time and again from leaving Arizona. Sure they're gone for now, but unfortunately they will return around 2027 or 2028, this time with Auston Matthews captaining the team.

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

@@sjdrifter72February 1, 1993 was actually the exact date that Gary Bettman took office.

[@hhtptai]

I really like these hockey mini docs! It helps me out a lot as a new fan of the sport.

[@TheEsquireOfSportsFSU]

Oh yeah? Who's your team? Good to hear that.

[@hhtptai]

@@TheEsquireOfSportsFSU St. Louis Blues (hometown team) and the Colorado Avalanche.

[@TheEsquireOfSportsFSU]

@@hhtptai whew that's gonna cause conflict later LOL same division. But good to see a new fan!

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​@@hhtptaiWelcome new hockey fan!

[@richborn6700]

haven't I seen you in anime and wrestling comment sections to?

[@WarioSaysSo]

Loving this Hockey History vid series! They truly makes this channel !!!!!

[@paulvoron0930]

For someone who just started watching NHL in the late 2010s, these are awesome!

[@usa91787]

There was a bunch of stuff going on. One thing was that the Met Center had no luxury suites, walk up sales beat season ticket sales and Lester Bagley the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission chairman had his eye on selling the Met Center property at a price tag of $25 million. So when Norm Green came to Bagley and the commission saying they needed the luxury suites to compete financially at a cost of $11 million. The North Stars did not own the arena. They paid rent. But Bagley said if the North Stars want suites they have to build them on their dime. I felt that Bagley knew it was a deal breaker which would mean the commission could sell the arena. And it was exactly that. The arena ended up being sold for that $25 million. To the Metropolitan Airports Commission. Great. Soon after, the name was changed to just The Stars and once their lease was up, it was off to Dallas. There was a bit of a local scandal with a secretary filing a sexual harassment suit against Norm Green over a comment that she should wear some lipstick to improve her appearance. Fans were pissed. The team had finally become a really good team and went on to win a Stanley Cup with essentially the team drafted while here. There is some blame on all sides - fans, state government and the team. The fans for lack of support, the team for lack of a good product and the state government for not providing the team with the tools to build a successful team with those suites. Ironically, when they tried to demolish the Met Center with explosives they couldn't do it. They ended up having to finally take an extra heavy wrecking ball. It barely came down. It's still a sore spot here even though we have the Wild and a very nice arena in Xcel Energy Center. I went to games as a kid from the first year they started up to when they left. (Except for my 4 years of military service from 1984 to 1988) Oh, and it's Gilles Meloche (Mel- Awsh) and Caesar Maniago (Mah-Nee- Ah-Go)

[@jeffquast5162]

I still blame most of all the crap on Bagley and greedy sports commission and they were tryn to push Norm downtown to the dump Target Center to, Norm was gonna throw $50 mill of his $ to build bigger concourse n shops, n suites and skywalk to MOA lots hate on Norm but he always was talkn to the fans and bought me and my buddies plenty of beers at The Registry Hotel that he lived at!!!

[@jeffquast5162]

plus i had season tix last 3 yrs in 235 always chanting to get the "Electric Stars" over ther lol was at game 6 of Finals got to see Cup skated was cool but heartbreaking

[@davidalexander8996]

Sometimes I wonder if a Stanley Cup title could have kept the Stars in Minnesota, especially in 1991. Then again, the Wild having a two decade conference finals drought suggests that the move to Dallas may have only been delayed rather than prevented. More often than not, title droughts are due to dysfunctional ownership rather than so called curses.

[@crosstatt7441]

It’s possible. However, the arena wasn’t that well off.

[@michaelleroy9281]

No, they were dealing with the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission, who didn't help them out whatsoever

[@michaelleroy9281]

A Stanley Cup win wouldn't have settled their arena issues and a Mickey Mouse operation of an ownership

[@primetimecollector619]

This video series is the best!

[@NorthStarsForever]

So, The NHL awards the groper an open invite to take a franchise out of Minnesota, rather than punishing him for his harassment. I guess no surprise, look what theyve done to Chicago for much worse behavior by executives some 30 years later.....

[@david29k11]

yup

[@saucyrossy3698]

If it was even true. Lets stop pretending that a very large percentage of these accusations arent just attempts to extort rich people.

[@corstiger8704]

I’m a Dallas Stars fan. Have been since they moved in ‘93. I’m not a fan of cities losing a professional sports franchise at all, however, it’s difficult for a franchise to stay in a city when they can’t make money to pay players and staff. As a fan, it’s difficult to pay your hard earned money when the on ice product is sub par. The North Stars had both of those problems, and an aging arena was the third issue that couldn’t be remedied. Just like the second iteration of the Washington Senators moving to Texas to become the Texas Rangers under then owner Bob Short (who is a pariah in DC), Norm Green did the same thing to the North Stars by bringing them to Dallas. I will say this: I would like to see the number 19 retired here as a gesture of respect for the franchise’s history as a whole.

[@bridesblade5307]

Parking was twice the price of a ticket...fact!

[@michaelleroy9281]

Bob Short isn't a pariah anymore he died in 1982 but then he still could be from the grave

[@corstiger8704]

@@michaelleroy9281 yeah, anyone mentioning him in D.C. and the sentiment is not good whether he’s alive or, dead, or a zombie!

[@blackwidowsm]

Reality is Norm had an in appropriate relationship with a member of the Carlson family in Minnesota in Texas that’s equivalent to the bush family! Besides doing his best sabatage the franchise he intended to move them all along. But he was in hot water due to that relationship he simply wanted out of Minnesota. Thisxisxpsrtvthatvisxoften ignored besides the fiscal mismanagement and self intent at keeping people away from arena his questionable decisions. Dont blame Minnesota all this was Norms doing sometimes accountability hard to accept. Especially for an ownership that makes Donald sterling looks good. Take good care of the franchise Dallas it will always be known as Northstars you can takexNorth off laundry but it remains in spirit and culture the northstars are still nhl best uniform Star of the North. Dallas teams biggest rival was Boston they use to play in division with Boston buffalo Montreal was hard getting above fourth place that Adams division was best divison in hockey. Boston and northstars still hold record for penalty minutes in a game and Glen Donnie N stars coach offered to put a certain Boston player head in basket! That’s how ferocious that rivalry truly was. Not the pathetic central divison they later put them in. Thierc rivals were all on east coast only st Louis were much rivals. In Midwest. But no team had the true hatred as Boston and stars. Thatsxfriends was a symphony on ice of intensity.

[@KalmoK]

These videos are cool, love to hear about the history of fallen teams

[@second_story]

I really love these videos, they are fantastic, keep them coming!

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

I am a Minnesotan and I would have cheered for the North Stars if they had stayed. But today I am cheering for my new team, the Edmonton Oilers, against the Stars. I have a North Stars jersey, it is my only non-Oilers jersey and I really wish they stayed.

[@big_lolo_01]

Im on the otherside of the fence. Had the Stars not moved to Dallas I would have never gotten into hockey.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

@@big_lolo_01 They could have gotten the expansion team instead.

[@rileyholden-zc9ip]

Do you root for the wild as well

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

@@rileyholden-zc9ip Not really, I will watch their games but just doesn’t feel the same as North Stars

[@rileyholden-zc9ip]

@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija what made you choose the Edmonton oilers

[@mr.inferno8354]

It’s been over 30 years and Norm Green still sucks.

[@danbratten3103]

Wasn't his fault. If the fans were actually loyal fans like what the Mild have. The North Stars would have never left.

[@mr.inferno8354]

@@danbratten3103 team sucked really except for a couple of years in the 80s and that run in 1991 but honestly I don’t blame the fans for not wanting to see a bad team lose a lot.

[@crosstatt7441]

@@danbratten3103I can agree with that to some extent. However, he vowed, “only an idiot could lose money on hockey in Minnesota.” He sadly did that.

[@haljalykakik2384]

@@crosstatt7441 Right on about only an idiot losing money on hockey in Minnesota. It's like owning a casino and losing money, but I won't go there.

[@MGAF688]

You can't blame the fans. The fans love hockey. But there was a schism. It could have been resolved in a positive way.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

the 2000 expansion was cursed tho. the wild havent made it to the conference finals since 2003

[@TAFARockWarrior97]

That's the ONLY year they've ever made it that far, too. Columbus has only won a single playoff series for their entire 20+ year existence!

[@UserName-ts3sp]

@@TAFARockWarrior97 i know. im a jackets fan lol

[@SortaNonymous]

Yeah, the Wild haven't won much of anything, but that '03 season alone almost makes them look like the freaking Lightning compared to Columbus (although at least they'll always have 2019?) Heck, that whole three-year expansion blitz at the turn of the millennium may have been cursed. Nashville took a long time to go anywhere, and the Thrashers were such a dump of horrible ownership and luckluster performance that they dipped after just 12 years (and still haven't had much playoff success in Winnipeg).

[@tonymeehan7859]

@@TAFARockWarrior97 it would be nice to see the Jackets get a nice run

[@tonymeehan7859]

@@SortaNonymous Atlanta got nowhere b/c of those UGLY jerseys - God they were horrible

[@stevencooke6451]

Would like to have heard a bit more about some of the decisions that Norm and others made. Otherwise, it seems that the fanbase was surprisingly fickle and could not accept a losing team. BTW, I can't get over how small the average crowds were for expansion teams.

[@BravePip]

What I want to know is what happened to the Gund's lawsuit against the league. They lost money on the deal to found the San Jose Sharks after being told they weren't allowed to move the Stars, then when Norm Green was allowed to they Gunds said what the heck? I found an old issue of The Hockey News announcing that the Gunds intended to proceed with legal action against the league, but I can't find anything else. A lot of the Google results about a Gund lawsuit come back from a recent settlement from a US police department paid out to someone who's last name happens to be Gund.

[@Ibelikemj]

Can’t wait for the Hartford Whalers one that’s got to come out soon

[@tonymeehan7859]

Pissed me off so bad when they moved - Love their jerseys

[@MazeDaGr8]

Another team that won the cup almost immediately after leaving

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@MazeDaGr8The Whalers left Hartford in 1997 the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup in 2006, 9 years that isn't exactly right away

[@ThomasStevens-lk5ch]

The only NHL game that I went to was a Los Angeles Kings vs Minnesota North Stars at the Fabulous Forum in LA in the early 80s.

[@bufnyfan1]

When the North Stars started in Minnesota in 1967 (when the NHL first expanded with 6 new teams) they played at the Met Centre in Bloomington, Minnesota. The Met Centre was considered one of the best arenas in the NHL at the time. The ice was considered by visiting players as the best in the NHL as were the spacious dressing rooms, the lighting on the ice etc. Ultimately when the North Stars left the Met Centre was demolished and it took many attempts at implosion to bring it down as it had been so well built.

[@MNsportsnut]

It wasn't the money or fan support. It was Norm Green getting involved in Sexual Harassment that caused the North Stars to leave for Dallas.

[@danbratten3103]

Wrong. The fan support was a joke. The original owners almost folded the team, the Gunds almost moved the team to San Jose. The Twin Cities fans were a joke. Here's more facts. They almost lost the Timberwolves in less than a decade, as the T-Wolves original owners were also losing money, almost sold the team to a group from New Orleans. The Minnesota Twins were almost contracted because the little independent St. Paul Saints were drawing more fans than the Twins in the late 90s.

[@MNsportsnut]

@@danbratten3103 Timberwolves are a whole different story, NBA in general is nothing but Bandwagon fans. There's a reason Minnesota is the State of Hockey, 6 D-I NCAA programs, none in Texas. Xcel Center is full for High School State Tournament, you won't see that at American Airlines Center.

[@imthecloser111]

@@danbratten3103 Moving a hockey team out of Minnesota is laughable. You know absolutely nothing about the sport if you think otherwise.

[@danbratten3103]

@imthecloser111 @imthecloser111 and you obviously didn't watch the video because it mentioned the fan support not being very good. My family had season tickets for the North Stars first 19 seasons until my grandfather had a stroke and my father took a new job out of state. The facts are the original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s when attendance stunk. Facts are the Gunds almost moved the team to San Jose because attendance stunk. In fact they were dead last in attendance in 89-90 & 90-91. Even Lou Nanne admitted to the attendance problems in the Minnesota North Stars Memories book by Bob Sowers. You obviously nothing absolutely nothing about the history of the Minnesota North Stars.

[@danbratten3103]

@@MNsportsnut to quote Mike Modano on the fan support of the Wild "Where was that support for us (the North Stars)?

[@Imsorryman]

2:49 WHAT IS THIS SONG? I’m sure it’s a royalty free song, but it’s so good it distracted me from what you were saying when those extra horns came in.

[@bridesblade5307]

I am still very bitter about losing this franchise. The Wild are (ok) but the North Stars were known to be a different animal come playoff time no matter where they were in the standings. That 90-91 season was awful snuck into playoffs beat #1 Blackhawks then Blues and Oilers 4-1. Pitt was the better team we lost in six. Fuck! now I'm sad. Wild haven't done shit!

[@scottshorten9962]

that was a very good pittsburg team,how many 50 goal scores did they have on that team?

[@bridesblade5307]

@@scottshorten9962 idk? Ulf Samuelsson crushed anybody who crossed the blue line very punishing team. Mario and Jagr had a good series, they were simply the better team.

[@richardthompson6366]

John Casey standing on his head I believe?

[@bridesblade5307]

@@richardthompson6366 I hated UND but loved Casey.

[@josephsell4607]

@@richardthompson6366him and heyward got torched 😂

[@SortaNonymous]

It is kind of funny how they got really lucky moving to Dallas and being able to easily fit the Stars nickname into the Lone Star State. (Just dropping the "North" part because calling Texas "the North" is about as truthful as calling Minnesota warm.)

[@haljalykakik2384]

If you don't think Minnesota can get warm, come visit in August. We've got heat and humidity that will make you wish you were in Houston.

[@FischerPrice74]

It's a big contrast to when the Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are basically no lakes

[@FirearmofMutiny]

@@FischerPrice74 The Lakers moved to LA, where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee, where there is no oil. And the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City, where they don't allow music 🤣

[@zman3238]

Is that Danny Gladden and Jack Morris 13:54?

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

As an Arizona resident, I can understand the pain of losing an NHL franchise. This happened in my home area less than two months ago.

[@crosstatt7441]

Me too, as a Clevelander.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@crosstatt7441Cleveland? did anyone really know the team was there? their attendance was even worse than Oakland

[@crosstatt7441]

@@michaelleroy9281 I wasn’t talking about just the NHL. The Rams left Cleveland for Los Angeles and the Browns were deactivated for three seasons because the original organization went to Baltimore. Yes, both municipal governments and populations do play a role in arrivals, presences, and departures of sports teams. Owners have to be smart about their own financial situations, also. So, our OG Browns squad had a great attendance, but the city should’ve had money to run the stadium, in the first place! However, the owner should’ve had other ventures to enhance his money stream. I’m looking at the whole picture. As far as the Rams, I don’t know the whole story. With the 1999 Browns team, we are having stadium problems, and it’s best to keep the team downtown for business purposes.

[@TheBrutalDrummer]

Great video! Could you please do one on the Hartford Whalers?

[@hhtptai]

Oof. What a tale to tell.

[@MalWave]

IT'S A SERIES LET'S GO

[@NHL94Podcast]

Sadly, this team moved to Dallas one year too early to be included in NHL '94 😒 In a different universe, the North Stars franchise would have never moved to Dallas and Dallas would have gotten an expansion team.

[@LEETCH_2]

You can just play a hacked version. There's plenty now to go around, take your pick.

[@NHL94Podcast]

@@LEETCH_2 yeah there are tons of hacks for '94. I play in several leagues that have different teams and players 😀

[@lisasmith767]

Lost interest in the NHL when the Stars moved to Dallas. The biggest slap in the face in the history of professional hockey.

[@karlc2869]

The NHL was still cool until the aughts tho.

[@danbratten3103]

This video got a lot right, a couple of things wrong, and missed a couple of things. The attendance problems they got right. Which means, bottom line, the blame for the team leaving was fan support, or really lack of fan support. Blame also goes to the Metropolitan Sports Commission, a group who fleeced ownership of the Met from the original North Stars owners, who built it. The Sports Commision never helped with renovations at the Met. The Gund Bros. spent their own money adding some suites to the Met in the mid-late 80s. Later, Norm Green spent $20 million of his own money renovating the Met after the Commission refused to help. Now nobody would spend $20 million renovating a rink if he planned to leave 2 years later. Something wrong. The Logo change. The new logo was unveiled very early in the season they went to the finals (Green's 1st year as owner). They had the logo on the ice, on the boards, on programs. Norm Green was part of NHL owners on a league board called the NHL Vision for the 90s. The board wanted new logos, new colors, and new design jerseys. All of this was on full display the next season with the new logo and jerseys. Something missed. Lou Nanne. Lou was a former North Star player, afterward briefly coach and GM, then GM, and later team president. The man is beloved by hockey fans in MN. However, the guy was a horrible GM. Yes, he made some good draft picks (Modano, Neal Broten, Brian Bellows, Bobby Smith), but he also made some horrible ones like Brian Lawton. Lou drafted Lawton #1 in the same draft were he could have drafted Steve Yzerman or Pat Lafonte. OOPS!!! He also made horrible coaching hire decisions after Glenn Somner needed leave because of alcoholism. He traded away Bobby Smith after Smith set a franchise record scoring 115 points in a season because the new coach didn't like him and took him off the power play. That coach was later fired. The merger with the Barons and the success that followed made him look like a great GM. In a Sport Illustrated article in 90 or 91, titled Falling Stars, Lou is blamed for the many mistakes he made as GM for the team's downward spiral in the standings over the years. Also missed. While the video acknowledged the North Stars had to compete against the WHA St. Paul Saints. The North Stars also had to compete against the beloved University of Minnesota Golden Gophers hockey team. In the Sports Illustrated article about the team's upcoming move to Dallas, a fan was quoted saying "why pay $20 and watch the North Stars lose, when you can pay $10 and watch the Gophers win". Wow! That really sounds like loyal fans. Ultimately, the blame for the North Stars leaving belongs to the Metropolitan Sports Commission and the fans. If all those fans who said "Norm Green sucks" actually bought season tickets AND kept their season tickets, the team wouldn't have left. One little extra about the great fans in the so called State of Hockey. After the 89-90 season, when it looked like the Gund Bros. were going to move the team to San Jose, Channel 5 News and the Star Tribune did a poll asking fans if they would care if the team left Minnesota? 60% said NO they wouldn't care if the team left.

[@brianbachmeier34]

So true. I lived iin Minnesota at that time. The attendance was embarrassing and tickets were relatvely cheap. Loyal fans would have problem supporting the team.

[@ILoveMisty1985]

I always felt that the Minnesotans' familiarity with hockey was a curse as much as it was a blessing. After all, if the North Stars were bad then they knew it and chose to stay away, especially as there was plenty of hockey that didn't suck. I feel bad for the Minnesota hockey fans that lost their team, but as a lifelong baseball fan in Texas that got into hockey by watching the Dallas Stars the past few years, I am thankful the Stars are in Dallas.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

Dallas could have gotten the 2000 expansion team instead

[@haljalykakik2384]

@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija Yeah, then THEY could go 20 years without a playoff appearance instead of the Wild lol. There's still a strong connection to Minnesota among the Dallas Stars. Among others, their keeper, Jake Oettinger, is a native of Lakeville, Minnesota. I have a childhood friend who is one of his uncles. Naturally, my friend and his family are all Stars supporters.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

@@haljalykakik2384 Just imagine if Oettinger played for a North Stars team that never relocated.

[@sconnyjoe5262]

I grew up in MN during the North Star era. People just didn't go to the games or support the team unless they were winning. The Timberwolves almost left MN around that same time for the same reason as well.

[@Rockhound6165]

I never noticed that both the Cleveland Crusaders(WHA) and Cleveland Barons(NHL) both "folded" and moved to Minnesota. Also, when mentioning pro sports teams in Minnesota you failed to mention that before the Vikings and Twins came to be Minneapolis lost the Lakers to LA in 1960. And one thing you were incorrect on, when Masterton got injured, it wasn't before helmets. It was before helmets were mandatory. Some players wore hockey helmets as early as the 50's(previously scant few players wore helmets and when they did they were leather football helmets). It wasn't until Masterton's death that more players began wearing them and by the 1980's they were made mandatory for all new players and the practice of not wearing helmets was phased out. The last unhelmeted player in the NHL was Craig McTavish. You mentioned the great Gump Worsley, he was on of the last goalies to not wear a mask and even he wore one in the final season of his career(journeyman Andy Brown was the last official player in the NHL to not wear a mask). And incidentally, in the 1979-80 season the North Stars were the team to end the Flyers still standing 35 game unbeaten streak.

[@jasonanderson5034]

thats not impressive a 35 game unbeaten streak with ties so their is no guaranteed winner in games making it much easier to go unbeaten

[@Rockhound6165]

@@jasonanderson5034 then why wasn't it ever done before? Or since?

[@haljalykakik2384]

According to Gump Worsley, he did wear a mask. As he put it, "my face is my mask".

[@Rockhound6165]

@@haljalykakik2384 but he wore an actual mask for his last few games. There's a video of a game between the North Stars and Flyers where Gump is in goal wearing a mask.

[@haljalykakik2384]

@@Rockhound6165 Yeah he finally started wearing it during his final season in 73-74. I think it was more pressure from management/coaches to do it than anything.

[@ligadeportivau]

One of my old time fav Jerseys and name

[@fratzogmopars]

Hated to see the North Stars leave Minnesota. As a Blackhawk fan they were great rivals. I had a great time going to Minnesota several times with friends over the years to watch the Hawks play there. As a kid I didn’t have a Blackhawks jersey, I had a North Stars jersey, always liked those jerseys.

[@classic.cameras]

THEE Hockey State was robbed. This move would never ever have been approved of these days.

[@danbratten3103]

They weren't robbed. They didn't support the team. If the North Stars had the same fan support as the Mild gets, the North Stars would have never left.

[@stephenmagee3766]

Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the Cleveland Barrons were the original California Golden Seals ( they had a few names), so when the swindle was pulled and the ownership returned to the Bay area it was full circle ⭕ Were they not the San Francisco Seals, but move to Oakland before first game where they had more names than wins? Oakland Seals, Bay area Seals, California Seals, then California Golden Seals....😢

[@charlesjohnson166]

I never saw a boring game back at met center.those teams brought it every night.

[@bentonlott6272]

This mfer has the goofiest voice he should be voice acting for a children’s show

[@LordBitememan]

Good video. Also, was the presenter the voice actor who did Facebones on Metalocalypse?

[@DrTurdsley]

I was a kid when we lost the North Stars, my love of hockey died that day.

[@eshep71]

As of half a decade ago, Minnesota had one of the top fan experiences, so I'm glad that stayed true

[@ScottHammonds-k1u]

When i was lil kid i remember watching Minnesota north stars! Thats why dallas is my guys now!! 🤜

[@kootybear]

Around the 1350 mark, you can see Dan Gladden and Jack Morris walking by

[@MickBurkhardt]

While there were a lot of moving parts that resulted in the Stars relocation to Dallas, there is a lot more to this story than what the video mentions. Fans love to blame Green alone, but the fan base at the time was partly to blame. They were the dagger that ultimately led to the decision to relocate, due to low attendance. Green was the mastermind behind the Flames move to Calgary, and just like Dallas they were immediately loved and accepted, with both teams winning the cup less than ten years after their relocations. Calgary in nine years and Dallas with six.

[@michaelleroy9281]

Norm Green was not an owner of the Flames when in Atlanta Tom Cousins was the owner he sold the team to Nelson Skalbania, once in Calgary they were sold to a 6 man ownership group that included Green, brush up on your hockey 🏑🏒 history

[@MickBurkhardt]

@@michaelleroy9281 Learn to read and not put words in other people's mouths. I never said he was the owner of the Flames while in Atlanta, only that he was the mastermind behind their moving to Calgary. One doesn't have to be the owner of a team to push for relocation, ya hoser!

[@TheHatchet2]

I went to the first game that the Wild played against the Stars where the Wild shut them out 6 - 0. I remember the excitement in the air, and the people chanting "sieve" at Turco.

[@Jbonethekid]

Bill goldsworthy is on the hall of fame in my city of Waterloo

[@scruffybearbreaks8774]

This contradicts a magazine article at the time that stated after the Cleveland merger there were 2 owners. The owners got along fine for several years but when they started losing money they started arguing over where the team should be relocated. One owner moved half the team to Dallas and the other owner took the other half of the team to expansion San Jose.

[@jurgo_01]

My dad was at that game that Masterson died from. So sad. I went to a lot of games as a kid. Hockey is a great game.

[@jurgo_01]

Gump was one of the last holdouts do not wear a mask. What a mug.

[@sammysmith9818]

I still have and take very good care of my Dino Ciccarelli hoodie !! special occasions hoodie like Vikings games

[@Plauntskie]

Howie Morenz also died due to an on ice injury in an NHL game.

[@haljalykakik2384]

As someone who followed the North Stars religiously as a kid growing up in Minnesota in the 1970s--1980s, I just came here to say NORM SUCKS!

[@TrevorHamberger]

Retiring the fans Jersey was hilarious

[@hrislogically5014]

Got anything more up to date? Like the 'yotes?

[@jlip4308]

Get it right. Norm Green sexually harassed an employee who was the daughter of a Minneapolis dignitary and the sister of HS Mr Hockey and college Minnesota Gopher star hockey player who played in the NHL Joe Dziedzic.

[@crosstatt7441]

From what I understand, there were multiple victims. Hopefully, Mrs. Dziezic and the others have turned their lives around. Also, I feel so sorry for all whom he hurt.

[@jlip4308]

@@crosstatt7441 I was a season ticket holder when Norm bought the team. He would walk around the concourse between periods soaking up the attention while people chanted “Norm” He quit doing that after the allegations came out. The next season Norm changed the logo from North Stars to Stars. I have a commemorative puck with the Stars logo. The next season he sold the team and the moved everything out in the middle of the night. Attendance wasn’t sold out for every game but every game in their Stanley Cup finals run was sold out with ticket prices skyrocketing with every round. Blackhawk games were always full and rowdy being their big rival. Thank you for your kind response!

[@paulsonj72]

@@crosstatt7441She is a state senator in Minnesota and was majority leader until she stepped down for health reasons in 2024(as majority leader)

[@untexan]

To the Stars credit, they basically acted like they were an expansion team once they moved to Texas. They don’t have any North Stars banners in the arena and they never wear throwbacks from before they moved. The North Stars history technically belongs to them but they might as well give it to the Wild.

[@Ravehalfing241]

Masterson's, Goldsworthy's, and Broten's number banner have the North Star logo.

[@denberg3303]

The first hockey game i ever saw on tv were the finals between the North Stars and Penguins. I rooted for the Stars and until this day i always feel lots of sympathhy and love for them. Dunno how to explain but to me the North Stars always feel special and i wish they still existed. Couldnt they just kept the name in Minni so the North Stars could be still a legit NHL team?

[@michaelleroy9281]

So who is going to " force" the Dallas Stars to change their name, in 1993 there was no guarantee there was going to be an NHL team returning to Minnesota take that issue up with Gary Bettman

[@michaelleroy9281]

Usually franchise moves take a majority of NHL owners to approve a move that didn't happen here

[@georgenewman4464]

"Headline" @17:04 - "NHL Names 4 Cities For Expansion: Nashville, Columbus, Ohio, And St. Paul"? You might want to *count* those cities again. (The fourth city to gain an NHL franchise during the same era as Nashville, Columbus, and St. Paul was Atlanta.)

[@gburg9349]

North Stars wanted less than 2 million for arena upgrades state said no. Guess how much it cost to get the Wild? A hell of a lot more and they had to take down the Civic Center to build the X. Pretty stupid in the long run

[@kja9881]

That's what I always said.

[@FirearmofMutiny]

And a stupid-ass team name... And you wonder why Minnesota always bends over when it comes to using public money for a stadium. It's because it'll cost them more to get another team back than it would to just give it to them now

[@thatissonicK]

More of these. Houston Oilers please

[@jordancliff]

i wish the North stars stayed.

[@joshuahyder6580]

Please do San Diego either the chargers, clippers, or rockets

[@DanielH874]

Man I keep wanting to watch these but the narrator just kills it.

[@MrDuds1984]

Nothing beat a North Stars / Blackhawks game in the mid 80’s….Dino sucks

[@slavedaver]

Secord sucks!

[@michaelleroy9281]

I went to every Blackhawk North Stars game in the 70s most of them were sellouts

[@Pine_Barrens_NJ]

They had a great logo and colour scheme…

[@alexmee3524]

Bro sounds like he’s tryna sell me Slushie Magic

[@drewmillz1]

I always loved the north stars in the video game blades of glory..

[@BrianLennon-jk6rj]

I became a fan in 1991 when they played penquins in finals....my best friend has all the games on vhs tape....

[@BinaryRetroClips]

Bobby Smith #15. My all time favorite Minnesota North Star. 👍

[@AdamSmith-cq9pi]

I wore his number playing thru high school.

[@BinaryRetroClips]

@@AdamSmith-cq9pi Awesome👍

[@moshegeffen2051]

Can you do something on Houston arrows

[@KOZMOGRAFX]

"I know we did everything that we possibly could to make it work... and it didn't." Riiiiiight...

[@rickyleon4961]

Minnesota has wild technology there's still hockey there

[@michaelcolucci8237]

Minnesota needed the North Stars to leave to actually start caring about pro hockey. Blaming this move on poor ownership seems a bit reductive. North stars fans stil dont get their facts straight, claiming the Dallas Stars won the cup in their first year in Dallas.

[@bruceellenburg429]

The same thing that ruined Atlanta Thrashers, terrible ownership and management

[@michaelleroy9281]

And in their final season, they lost the building that they played in

[@sylvainbeaulieu6300]

Actually the franchises of Philadelphia and Oakland were at first awarded to Seattle and Baltimore but both pulled out when they failed to provide the money deposit at the deadline.

[@ChristopherHagee]

Then-Minn. North Stars spent 26 seasons (1967-1968 thru 1992-1993) in Bloomington, Minn. before transplanting to "Big D", City, Dallas in Tex. for 1993-1994 season

[@ChristopherHagee]

Speaking, Bloomington, Minn., former Metro. Sports Ctr., home arena, then-Minn. North Stars for 26 N.H.L. seasons (1967-1968 thru 1992-1993) could've played host to 1980-1981 College Basketball 🏀 season's Mideast Regional post-season tournament, but it was Indiana Univ.'s Assembly Hall, Bl'mngtn, lnd. which h'std it instead

[@dr.migilitoloveless2385]

I always liked the team name North Stars.

[@DJNAZZZZTY]

The North Stars always had a great physical team and were very tough

[@The_Apple_Fritter]

Raised in Edmonton, my first Oilers game was against the North Stars circa 1985. They became my second favorite team after that. The move to Dallas offended and upset me lol. I al not a fan of the Dallas Stars, at all.

[@dudermcdude9245]

It was an all time franchise name. Perfect for a hockey team. Some how they screwed it up. In a huge hockey state. Way to go Minneapolis.

[@Redmenace96]

Liked the whole video. If you are going to bother flashing stats, W/L or Attendance or whatever, make them readable. Hockey fans love stats.

[@aaronpoliwoda8054]

Norm Green still sucks.

[@danbratten3103]

Wasn’t Norm's fault. If the North Stars got the same fan support as the Mild get. The North Stars would still be there.

[@sjdrifter72]

@@danbratten3103 Stop defending Norm Greed. He is the man responsible for Minnesota forever losing the North Stars and later having to settle for the awfully named 'Wild'.

[@crosstatt7441]

@@danbratten3103You’re right, there were others at fault. I’ve looked into it. The people who ran the Met are to blame as are the Twin City governments.

[@crosstatt7441]

@@danbratten3103 Yes, others were at fault, but Norm doesn’t get a pass.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@crosstatt7441 Gary Bettman he became commissioner the same year, about the same time the moving circus was going on

[@Playsinvain]

I can’t watch it, but I’ll just throw out my belief….it was a Texas oil conspiracy to get the star. Fine. I quit hockey for 30 years after. But now I have an idea. Wild is a ridiculous name. Scrap it. Call the Minnesota franchise Minnesota North or Norse…and wear green and gold and put a big star on the jersey. Reclaim the uniform ….a star….and scrap Wild….

[@crosstatt7441]

You’re going to have to do what Winnipeg and Charlotte did. Also, we Clevelanders had to fight to get the “Browns” IP back. It won’t be gift wrapped.

[@barontaylor7139]

They moved to Dallas

[@michaelleroy9281]

Really ?

[@register1430]

Vintage clips great. Graphics great. Host voice, better, more toning down required. Do we need to SEE the host? Does not advance the doc. Give him the intro and the exit. That is enough. Backwards Ball cap ? Really?

[@Alan-lv9rw]

The story of the Hartford Whalers is similar.

[@yomammy13]

The one thing that was left out of the video is that the sticking point was that the wolves owners basically made it impossible for hockey to happen for the owner. They wanted the money from everything but the tickets. So harv and marv are just as culpable for the move as green is. MPLS lost out and could have cemented itself as the sports town for all four teams.

[@VlogPro000]

the minnesota wild as a consolation is not a happy ending lol

[@michaellord9745]

Maybe the Mild (and their terrible owner) can move to Dallas too.