How RV makers and investment firms are censoring RV reviews

[@Kennardy]

Liz Amazing is fighting the good fight. You should connect with her. There is strength in numbers.

[@phillipc4865]

The manufacturers have tried to silence her. The industry has to change. It's pitiful.

[@nitro197rice9]

I am a RV tech at a major dealership. Thanks so much for your info. Please please please keep the info coming. In the past 2 years I have seen more techs come to my dealership starving for info on how things should be done in our industry. Together we have been getting better at our dealership and are changing our reputation for the better at our dealership.😊

[@undercoverrvtech]

That's awesome! So glad the videos are helpful. Thanks for watching!

[@omahaomaha8694]

Big truck big rv , less junk more journey , Matt’s rv review, Josh the rv nerd They have all sold out to corporate And this is just a few

[@REL3712]

EXACTLY why I stopped following all of them. They've become Infomercial channels. Sickening.

[@gdt5430]

Exactly, Spot On!! These are all fakes now, they took sponsors along time ago and have been beholding to the RV manufacturers and other suppliers for some time. I called out BTBRV a long time ago when JD switched from Ranch Hand to eTrailer and started pushing anything eTrailer sold. Matt, what a joke that is, Josh has a god he's beholding to now, LJMJ is not full time, they bailed some time ago along with many other "Full Timers" . It's all about the YT revenue for these people so the charade goes on.

[@2025willbebetteryet]

Yep, @BTBRV has become a friggin joke. I unsubscribed a long time ago. Hes a show off

[@BoostDeuce]

Josh is still fine as he is mostly just giving walkthroughs of the products he sells. But Big Truck Big RV is one of the worst. Its no wonder his viewership has gone so far down.

[@REL3712]

@@omahaomaha8694 you got THAT right.

[@robertstambaugh3495]

Hooray, honesty, and integrity. Finally. Thanks

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching!

[@markbivens277]

We the buyers need to push hard for a total lemon law on RVs

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

I am personally working on federal safety regulations where NHTSA no longer allows the RV industry to "self certify and self regulate". Yes, I got the email from them officially stating this fact. Hope, that will happen sooner than later but it is going to take ALL of us to push for this. Working on an Internet based petition to be able to present to the NTSB and to Congress to pass appropriate laws.

[@johnstangel8918]

Great video, Jacob. I just started watching a new channel, and he has 2 NDAs against G.D., and they have shut him up tighter than a clam on dry land. I also like to watch another brand ambassador channel, as you said, that is always getting to use new RVs to promote the G.D. line. I started watching them initially because they had great how-to videos now it's just fluff and stuff. I love watching AZ Expert because he does nothing but repairs and new product installs. I don't care about all the drama and B.S. with this manufacturer and that dealer. I just want to see how these things can be repaired and how they work.

[@genef1027]

There are enough other KZbinrs who have had published their G.D. frame issues that 'Silencing by NDA' by G.D. doesn't stop the conversation. G.D.'s argument (that the observed frame flexing is normal and necessary) hides that the actual flexing is higher than the frames can handle. It's a marginal design. The dynamic stress is causing frame failure on a more than an acceptable percentage of the large 5th wheel RVs. The G.D. large 5th wheel frames are inadequate strength for the observed dynamic loading of the frame, in an unacceptable high minority of those RVs. It's not only causing frame failures, it's damaging the attached sides, trim pieces, and loosening the floor panels. It's also damaging the slides and cabinets. Those pieces weren't meant to twist and flex so much. They will also fail prematurely. One KZbinr's G.D. Solitude was reworked at the factory with additional gusset plates and stronger welds, and the excessive frame flexing appears to have been resolved. He says the RV even handles better on the road now than originally. I believe the best thing to improve G.D.'s reputation is to retrofit all of those monster fifth wheelers with what they did on this one person's RV. Also, I've seen a number of examples of lumpy, low quality Lippert welds. I'm not surprised that some of the welds fatigue crack. Lippert needs to retrain their welders to higher standards.

[@reneeboyle9731]

Thank you and please keep the info coming!! We just bout an Alpine and after our first night I am now seeing the corners that were cut.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

[@debr628]

Liz Amazing + Rigor RV Repair + Cruisin with the Carsons = a dream team!

[@Squirrelmami]

Thank you, just subscribed

[@terremolander5243]

The RV industry is focused on profit. If you can't turn a profit, you won't stay in business too long. As consumers, we need to careful when and where you buy your RV.

[@ceimo856]

Grand design for example spends millions on advertising. People assume they are great. When you look into them they go cheap all over the board🙄

[@handcraftedmiracles1685]

​@@ceimo856I think it depends on the manufacture year and model.

[@stuartstuart866]

Some brand ambassadors are up front about it, and I watch their videos because they still convey useful information. Other You-tubers are less up front, but if you watch enough videos you can quickly spot those folks. People who are shopping for an RV should also read the forums, they can be quite revealing.

[@dannylayton1106]

Thank you

[@micheleobrien64]

You are gold in my opinion.❤ you have taught me so much! Thank you!❤❤❤

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

[@rvnut1133]

Unfortunately, a lot of naive and gullible people fall for the tactics.

[@abemorales6104]

Thank you for the update and knowledge!

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@joanndavis4843]

Kudos to you for helping RV owners save money on repairs and learning preventive measures to keep their RV'S on the road. I watch Liz Amazing channel, and all the bad experiences RV owners have are always RVs that were made during the beginning of Covid when the country was shut down. So, who was showing up for work to put these RV'S together back then? And with supply shortages everywhere, where were the parts coming from? The RV industry was making do somehow. And now that these very RVs are falling apart all over the place, it's clear they were making do with very little with nothing to spare. And RVs that were made when things were getting back to normal and up to the present, those RV'S are falling apart too. Instead of making RVs like they used to, all these manufacturers are doing is to just keep printing up more NDA forms! Pretty shoddy industry it's become 👇.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching and commenting! My goal with these videos is to put pressure on the RV industry to improve

[@Chatterboxis007]

I think it should be law that a new RV must be inspected by a NRVIA inspector. The cost of such said inspector be included in the price of the RV.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

No, this should be the responsibility of the potential owner. This way no inspector can be compromised by the RV dealerships or RV industry.

[@CeruleanSky1111]

NRVIA is not for the protection of consumers. They protect their association members...the manufacturers.

[@ediesouza6554]

Just wondering if you have heard of Liz Amazing you tube channel? I would describe her as an ambassador for rv customers. Customers whose brand new rv purchases ended up where a majority of the time their rv were in the shop longer than they were actually able to use it and they keep getting the run around from the dealer ship but mostly the rv manufacturers.

[@waynewalters5813]

She’s pretty awesome! Smart lady exposing the dirt on rv quality.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Oh I love Liz Amazing's channel! She was offered a brand ambassadorship by Tiffen to shut her up and she said no.

[@waynewalters5813]

Called integrity! Love your channel also. If you ever get a chance look at FWC pop up truck camper. Had mine since 2019 perfect for a travel fishing guy.

[@biasedaudio]

Thank you for this info, esp #3

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

[@BillFerguson-m7m]

It is all true…I have copy of scripts from the bottom to the top Forrest River Management to the common service department on what happened to me..Copy by an independent windshield issue on why my windshield was separated from the RV….

[@chrisgray3147]

The finger pointing game will never end with the RV industry. No one wants to be held accountable for their poor quality of work. And lack of competent, qualified and skilled individuals it takes to run a good business.

[@let_it_ride]

Big fan of your content. As per the report you mention agreed there is an agenda. However few unbiased 3rd party media companies are willing to report on this matter as they are afraid of litigation for Winnebago and that’s just a fact. So if you think about it, there’s few other media outlets who would be willing to take the risk. Did you happen to read Winnebago’s reply to the report? Vague, and not disputing of the specific claims made. Just a general, generic and corporate dismissal. Would love to see Winnebago sue them, however they won’t cuz they know they are at fault. So while the investment people might profit from Winnebago’s potential value decline they are also taking the risk none of the other media companies have been willing to take and personally I think that counts for a lot. As a member of the FB Group Grand Design Major Issues I’m glad they at least someone is trying to tell the truth. You should also join the group I’m sure Pete and Lisa would welcome you with open arms. Thank you and again great content

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Thanks for the shout out!

[@AlmightyG1969]

This man is not suicidal.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

What??? What are you saying here?

[@AlmightyG1969]

@@GDRVMajorIssues First day on the internet? He's calling out some big money players. He needs to be careful.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

RV industry is like the appliance industry. They want to sell you your next fridge or stove in under 10 years. Then there are the RV appliances, they just dont care at all 🤣. If i owned a big camp ground, I would open up a non warranty repair shop, good business these days. Best wishes to all RVers

[@DebbySmith-w6n]

Jacob, I love your podcast and. Your emails. I wish you would re investigate Brinkley's Z 3105th wheels.I see a lot of recalls and I'm spooked. About purchasing one

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for the request! I don’t have any review videos of this out yet, but there are 18 grades of that brand in my database from myself and other undercover shoppers. If you want to view the database and learn to assess the quality of any RV like I do in my reviews, you can take my RV shopping course and use my app to grade it yourself - undercoverrvshopper.com/rv-shopping-course/

[@undercoverrvtech]

I also offer consulting where I get on a call with you and we can talk through your budget, camping goals and I can review any RV listings you’re considering - undercoverrvshopper.com/book-a-consultation/

[@jerrytalley802]

Jacob, I wish you could use your influence to get the lemon laws applied to rv’s. What kind of world is it when they can sell a million dollar motor home that falls apart from day one? Thanks to Liz Amazing after the fact, and you before hand to help inform and protect the consumers.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

And maybe, "Grand Design RV Major Issues", FB site? Almost 5800 members and doing this 50-60 hours a week, for free.

[@SpykersB]

Interesting 🤔. Thanks for the deep dive. 🍻

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching!

[@SouthwesternTraveler]

Hi Jacob. Rv dealerships should be held responsible for some of this mess coming out from the factories. They haul them to a dealer lot and that's the end of it until someone buys it. It can sit a month, or a year in rain storms, cold, snow, hot sunbaking weather and NEVER be checked out FULLY be the dealer. Some rv's will sit on a dealer lot for a couple of years. Dealers do not check the seals on the roof, they do not hook them up to power/water or completely try and see how everything works, is anything wrong, any hidden problems like leaks, faulty wires, cracks, Dealers do crap to make sure every rv that leaves their lot is safe, reliable, and no underlining issues. Dealers know for a fact that those Rv's coming in to get sold are going to have issues,, some will have HUGE issues and they do not care!

[@jrdataminer]

There is no other industry I know of that is so protected by Indiana State law. Unjustifiably so, but no matter what state you have an issue with an RV, it is arbitrated in Indiana. If RV manufacturers were home builders, they’d be out of business or in jail or perhaps both. I’m not sure there is any other industry where their product has gotten crappier over the past few decades as they figured ways to squeeze cost and quality out of the end product.

[@JohnSterenberg-z7j]

Which Indiana State law or laws specifically protect RV manufacturers? If you’re referring to the arbitration agreement, that’s in the warranty written by the manufacturer and their attorneys, and which is accepted (unwittingly) by the purchaser. As to the comparison to home builders, look up lawsuits against D R Horton, “America’s Largest Home Builder”. Also, many products have gotten crappier as the manufacturer has shifted production overseas.

[@RVcampingandAdventures]

Fantastic video!

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

[@genef1027]

1/2 I've done more study of possible ways to lower the dynamic stress load on the G.D. large 5th wheel trailers (to not flex the frame so much). Please note that if the welds welds near the suspension are cracked, they MUST be repaired before modifying the suspension. Also, you'll want to determine if the shell of the trailer is tweaked out of square. That can be done by careful diagonal measurement of all the corners of the trailer (and observed with a 3D laser level). If any surface of the shell is out of square, some damage to the trailer is already done. One owner observed his shell was about 1-1/2" out of square (as measured on the diagonals), meaning the frame is 'racked'. At that point, the following components of the trailer are potentially compromised/damaged from excessive flexing: A) Frame welds may show thin spider cracks or may have large cracks B) the floor attachments to the frame loose C) the cabinets attachment to the shell loose D) the cabinets doors may be misaligned/racked E) the drawers within the shell (misalignment from racking) F) the shower insert attachment to the floor may and the shell may be loose and the drain connection to plumbing may be leaky G) the slides alignment may be racked H) the connections of the water tanks to the frame may be loose or cracked and the associated plumbing connections may be leaky I) the appliances attachment points may be loose J) the pin box, where the fifth wheel attaches to the truck's hitch may be loose K) the riser, where the fifth wheel moves from a lower to a higher level may be racked (often shows damage to the trim and/or the two lower corners of the riser) L) the ladder attachment points loosened M) the roof to shell sides seams and corners may be compromised/cracked from repeated excessive flex N) the roof membrane glued interface may be compromised (especially problematic at leading and trailing edges) O) the roof mounted A/C attachment to the roof may be loosened and/or the water seal leaky/cracked. Depending on how extensive is the damage caused by the excessive flexing, the trailer may be repairable or may be too much to be worth repairing. If the damage is minor or not yet observable, repairs may be in order, plus either A. gusseting the spidered/cracked weld joints (which will make those welds stronger, thus stiffening the frame to give it more strength margin). This is what was done for the trailer that I mentioned in my previous comment. [NOTE1: This may/may not be sufficient to mitigate flexing at the pin box or lower corners of the frame riser.] B. installing a more compliant suspension to reduce the frame flexing. [NOTE2: This reduces flexing everywhere, including at the pin box and lower corners of the frame riser. It's a more expensive but ultimately superior solution to reducing excessive frame flexing.] Some RVer's have already upgraded their suspensions and note a much smoother towing experience, sans the 'earthquakes'. Their trailers will last significantly longer.

[@genef1027]

2/2 I found two different RVer-implemented suspension upgrades to that end. 1. Full Independent Suspension (IS): An IS is the cat's meow for reducing flexing stress on the frame (and on every other part of the trailer). - MORryde has a sweet IS, though more extensive and expensive in its implementation than the other option. Two videos of the MORryde IS: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/ol7EnWVqfLqkY8k m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqS1ioN4d9iJlbM 2. An upgraded straight axle suspension with Roadmaster Comfort Ride Slipper Leaf Spring System kit. The following video is a 'comparison' of the Comfort Ride Roadmaster kit and the MORryde IS upgraded suspensions: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJbdg3Zro8eVj68 The person in this video thinks the Roadmaster kit upgrade suspension is 'better' for the average large 5th wheel RVer. His basis is that any good RV repair place can get replacement Roadmaster kit parts and install them if there ever is a failure. If the MORryde IS suspension fails, you have to drive the RV to the MORryde factory in Elkhart, IN to have the repair done (or find someone familiar enough with the MORryde IS suspension to tackle a repair on it). A second Comfort Ride Roadmaster kit video is shown here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJfXg4tvr9mGr6ssi=2tDGCVQCCyM0zwzI I hope the Roadmaster will provide enough margin against excessive frame flexing at the pin box and lower corners of the frame riser. I say this because the Roadmaster kit is less expensive to implement and uses off-the-shelf parts. I just don't have the hands-on experience to make that call for large 5th wheel RVs. What is 'good enough' to solve a 'marginal design' issue?

[@audreygullett3066]

The more I research, the more I feel like if you really inspect an RV before buying, you will not buy 1- ever. The industry seems as broken as the rigs they are selling. It makes me sad.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching and commenting! My goal with these videos is to put pressure on the RV industry to improve

[@tammybreiner3465]

Are RV inspectors certified to inspect park models?

[@patrickcantu8831]

I have Montana that has those pieces of square tubing below the slide outs that you said was a bad design flaw. You explained that a welder could come in and weld some reinforcement to it. Would you mind explaining to me how I could do that? What your idea for fixing that is?

[@N2it4Now]

Well done!

[@robertroth287]

Very interesting and informative.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!

[@Oldrush]

How are any rv’s not required to meet quality and safety standards? I keep trying to figure out a “quality” rv but the more I look the less I want. Seriously, they are all just wood storage sheds screwed to an equipment trailer and covered with a pond liner. As long as it looks like a fancy house inside people buy them. I will stick with my springbar canvas tent.

[@josejatip1303]

do you have some review or undercover inspection about the palomino pause?

[@440-6Pack]

Grand Designs big problem is how they treat their customers.

[@ZonaJim]

I've never been treated better by an RV company. They are great.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Agreed! So many people think that just because they were treated well that everybody is treated well. That couldn't be further from the truth. One Sr. Director personally told us they handle each customer on a case by case basis, with no explanation as to what those cases mean. It's crazy the stories that we hear on "Grand Design RV Major Issues" FB page! So many people being outright denied on their legitimate claims. They are being run through the wringer at every turn. As a community, we need to be able to acknowledge that others may not be getting the same treatment as us and that should infuriate us. But, for some, all they care about is themselves.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Just to add to my first reply, the big problem starts with the executive and senior level leadership at Grand Design and Winnebago. Plain and simple, Winnebago allowed this to happen as the parent company and then they extend the Grand Design CEO's employment contract for another 5 years. What a joke! Next is the absolutely horrible production of these RVs! Then, the customer service from the Retail Service Managers (phone and email support - not really managers) and their senior leadership who try to deflect and blame all responsibility back on the customer, treating them so badly that people just want to give up. But maybe that's the intent. The next big problem is once you get a repair appointment, it has been more than clear that the Grand Design Customer Support Center Service Department does not know how to properly fix these already thin compromised frames (less than 3/8" / 0.188" I-beams), proven by the numerous RVs that have had to make return trips for the same repair. This does not include all the other problems that were produced on the factory assembly line. Two of the tactics Grand Design and much of the RV industry uses is DEFLECT & DELAY! They deflect all responsibility back on the customer / owner and when that doesn't work, they delay the repair approval process and appointments to get said repairs. The Grand Design affiliated dealerships work with Grand Design on the DELAY tactic but we see through that and advise people to force Grand Design themselves to do the repairs since these dealerships are not equipped to do these repairs, let alone GD being able to properly fix them.

[@ZonaJim]

@@GDRVMajorIssues Are you a puppet for a law firm? Are you one of the ones that's shorting Winnebago stock as mentioned in the video? Are you Pete West? Just curious.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@ZonaJim A puppet for a lawsuit? I only encourage people to seek legal counsel when and only if Grand Design refuses to fix their poorly designed and engineered RVs. Now I will help anyone with information from my site or other research that I have done, if they do chose to seek legal counsel. I think you know this but you want to try your damndest to discredit me and it really is not going to work. The cat is out of the bag and way too many Grand Design customers have felt the impact of Grand Designs products and repairs that they have tried to fix.

[@tracymeskel2839]

I’m a Gand Design owner, and I have not been so happy with an rv manufacturer, Ever. It’s the dealership I hate! They sell you a $100,000.00 RV, and refuse to help you after you leave with the RV lot. Yeah, they offer you a warranty, but won’t get you in the shop for 6 months, or you take it in, and doesn’t come out for 8 months! Plus these RVs, are Not Built to live in, and most of us do. 😢 The manufacturer has backed me 100%, with my problems. But sometimes,their hands are tied. I’m having problems with my slide. But is it the manufactures fault, or did the dealership fix it properly, or not? My slide problem is, that the dealership didn’t look to see what caused the slide to pull away in the first place. They fixed the symptom, not the problem. The dealership is going to fix the problem. But they just can’t give free repair or exchange to everyone. If you have taken your rig to the desert, and camped on blm land, you probably had one hell of a ride, down those dirt rocky, bumpy roads. Plus 90% of people with RVs, don’t adhere to the, Cargo Carrying Capacity. Last year, at a Grand Design Rally, we had a guy weighing RVs for them. 98% were over weight. Is that Grand Designs fault? By the way, I’m not an influencer, I just watch KZbin, and am a Grand Design owner. I’m extremely happy with Grand Design, and their service, and customer service. They treat me like family, and they don’t even know my first name.

[@SpykersB]

Just keep in mind that the manufacturer builds the rv on a chassis that can barely sustain the weight of the rv itself. Meaning everything is built to minimal. Why? To keep it as light and as big as possible so it can be towed by a 3500 truck. Look at the cargo capacity of a lot of rv's especially the fifth wheels. 2500lbs max if your lucky. Well now add the water the propane, your food n stuff. So everybody is overweight, shocking! Stop buying these over sized rigs and the manufacturer will stop making them bigger crappier n lighter on a minimal chassis. Who's to blame? the idiots buying these rigs and the manufacturer for making these oversized rigs on a minimally built chassis. Want a big rv, go get it built properly on a chassis that can support the typical cargo weight n pull it with an HDT! 🍻

[@ceimo856]

@@SpykersBYep, Grand Design has the most law suites against them for frame issues🙄

[@kennyhaselhorst7332]

I have a Sandpiper made by Forest River I have cheap plastic rings on water lines that leak n they refuse to replace on there $, I told them I will tell everyone that I know about there refusal to install the right ring on them no reason they didn't do as new unless to safe them money, Warren Buffet is worth billions yet will not spend money to make campers better.

[@smore7633]

Good information 👍

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks for watching!

[@VARN-xn6ks]

Would love to see you inspect some popular truck campers like you have the 5th wheels and travel trailers.

[@Fumduck0001]

This! ☝

[@nealamesbury7953]

Yes, hard side, and pop ups

[@gdt5430]

It's not just Grand Design with Chassis issues. BAL builds a far better chassis but it costs more because it's built properly, these RV manufacturers all they can think of is profit and cutting costs and to hell with the consumer. If the RV falls apart going down the road and they die, oh well one less customer to complain about the RV quality. I hate to say it but the Federal Government needs to step in and start regulating the RV industry just like the Auto industry, these manufactures are completely out of control.

[@michaelraulerson3096]

2 types of R’s ! One that leaking and one that’s going to leak!! Only designed to last past the warranty and they have trouble even doing that. Industry doesn’t care about making something that lasts since you can’t sell something that last forever and expect the customers to trade in and buy the next model in a few years. Remember that most consumers want an RV not need an Rv so it’s not a must have. For the price you pay and the amount of time most people spend in their Rv you can stay in an expensive hotel and eat at nice restaurants for less! This is my opinion and since I have owned multiple rv ‘s from truck campers, bumper pulls and 5th wheels from back in the early 80’s I am biased. Current model is a 20 yr old 5th wheel. Actually built a lot better than new ones. Not saying it hasn’t had some issues over the years but fortunately for me my brother has a mobile rv repair business and I do a lot of my own repairs and upgrades too.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Great point! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@bobbyb.6644]

Follow the money ? Talk to your friends I. Beware of “ Influencers” ?

[@Whateverwherever]

Matt’s Trash pumps all for General RV.

[@bond008a9]

As long as the lobbyist can keep regulation out of Congress the RV industry will never change

[@jadams3210]

The KZbinr HBRV has been speaking the truth about the RV industry for the last year and has paid the price. He has been fired from job and black listed for speaking the truth about what’s going on in the industry. This is another dirty tactic by the RV manufactures to silence the critics.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

👍

[@mesocyclone2004]

NDAs are not enforceable unless you are higher up in a corporate structure. NDAs for either returned RVs or sexual assault are not enforceable.

[@Dave-zl2ky]

Many new interesting RVs are European and Asian. Not available in the US of course.

[@Teerey88]

W what can I do I need an RV now ASAP I can't go through years trying to get my money back through lawsuits and shit I'm going to lose 10,000 if i do as trade in can't afford that this isnt a trade in its a return of a faulty item

[@Teerey88]

I just bought a 2024 Forest River timberwolf 16 ml August 15th I want to return it and get a different one for my full value of money they will not do it

[@Teerey88]

I sent a certified four-page front and back letter describing how wrong they are what they should be doing and everything that's wrong with it to funtown and Forest River what song is that I checked funtown and Forest River before I ever bought the RV after I bought the RV and I see that everything is wrong with it and I'm looking for the owner of funtown then I see an article describing that they have a lawsuit against them for selling pieces of shit now this is our this is fun town and Forest River at the same time if I had seen that before I bought my RV I would not have bought the RV but of course I don't see that when I'm looking them both up to see how they are how they are before I buy the RV manufacturer out of RVs bullshit

[@mikechance3138]

RV's today are just pure junk. 10 years ago there were good ones out there. They got bought up by the trade bigwigs and shelved because they were too good. They were what people expected. I'll use my own experience with Sunnybrook/Mobile Scout RV as an example. They were purchased by Thor and then shelved, never to be seen or heard from again. Probably the best RV I've ever owned. As for the RV industry today....adios mo-fo's. I'll never buy another.

[@Ron-l1g]

Give me one for free and I will praise it 24/7

[@bradleysmith4630]

If they just did things right, they probably wouldn't be in this mess lmao

[@Mark-ry4ye]

Everybody has an angle and as usual it all about money. Capitalism always shakes out the losers in the long run. Unless of course this happens. “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” 😅

[@philip48230]

I really like your pod casts. However, you need to do your homework better. Lippert is privately held. Forest River is privately held. Winnebago & Thor Industries are publically traded.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Actually, Lippert Components, aka LCI is a publicly traded stock. www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/lcii Thanks for watching!

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Lippert is absolutely NOT privately held. Their stock trades under LCII.

[@jrdataminer]

Lippert is a public company. Forest River is a wholely own company of Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffett). Homework done. A+ for me!

[@AmJaxineer]

You're flat out wrong on your 1st assessment. There are several YT'ers that DO NOT have to sensor negative comments and are official ambassadors of the brand.

[@betterwithrum]

Depends on the deal and manufacturer. LizAmazing covered this last year so Jacob is mostly correct but some YT’ers have structured deals. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[@dearyvettetn4489]

Who? Name names plz. Support your statement.

[@flyhunt]

Yeah, who???

[@betterwithrum]

@@dearyvettetn4489 Changing Lanes KZbin channel is a good example. They are definitely brand ambassadors, Grand Design gave them a Solitude to test for a while they were getting their driveway fixed when their Momentum got stuck going up their gravel driveway. They have called out things here and there they didn't like about the Momentum a few years back and Grand Design invited them out to help design the next revision of their floor plans. In fact, the Red White and Blue full paint package on the Momentum is because of Changing Lanes. Let me also add, I personally hate Grand Design. I'm not defending them. They were terrible to their customers at the onset of the frame failure situation. We have a 2023 Ibex and while it hasn't been perfect by any stretch of the imagination, Forest River and Ibex have been good with after purchase support. Maybe a little slow but good.

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@@dearyvettetn4489 Changing Lanes for one. Chad and Tara have no issue calling out faults on their Grand Design Momentum. Not only have they been to Grand Design to influence floor plans but the Red, White and Blue full paint package one some Momentums was directly a result of Chad and Tara. They were given a small Solitude from Grand Design to use while their gravel driveway was getting regarded when their Momentum got stuck. So clearly they're brand ambassadors but also willingly to call out issues with their unit. They may not call out as hard as Jacob but they still do it. In contrast, Less Junk More Journey will never say anything bad about their Grand Design unit.