How Serious is the Sin of Female Pastors?

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[@mp1k3]

How can a female pastor be "the husband of one wife"? (1 Timothy 3:2 & Titus 1:6-7).

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Scripture is clear. I don't understand how egalitarians make sense of verses like those.

[@PastorCleveland]

Literally in the Greek: “a one-woman man” … so the question is literally how can a woman be a one-woman man?

[@thomasc9036]

lol...very easily? You can quote scripture after scripture, but the other side will do the same. It's all based on "how people want to interpret and prioritize" teachings.

[@bertrodgers2420]

true. although that scripture definitely doesn't exclude men who aren't married

[@thomasc9036]

​@@thejoshuaproject3809 That whole Tota Scriptura is meaningless. Sooner or later, we need to examine we need to use discernment on individual cases. For example, Apostle Paul commanded the Corinthian Church to expel the sexually immoral brother and have nothing to do with him. How many churches including conservatives churches practice this?

[@Hannodb1961]

For me, its not about how serious a sin it is to have female pastors, rather it's how serious a church takes biblical authority, and a female pastor is a serious red flag. Once you start scratching out inconvenient verses, you wont stop until there's nothing left.

[@DrGero15]

It started with head coverings and spread from there.

[@tonymercer7759]

Quite right

[@Packhorse-bh8qn]

@@DrGero15 "It started with head coverings and spread from there." You can't say that! Head coverings are off limits! (But.... you are absolutely right! Once you start excusing your way around plain statements, there is no limit.)

[@DrGero15]

@@Packhorse-bh8qn Exactly, if a clear command tied to creation can be dismissed as "cultural" than anything can be.

[@chessboxer35]

Amen

[@Drshakababa]

I’ll just stay with my best understanding of how I understand what God wants. There are verses in the scripture that imply women should not be pastors. That’s good enough for me. No discussion needed

[@Cousinbilly118]

What does the verse say exactly? We don't imply with the word. What is the context?

[@teresafarrell6457]

Amen.

[@thomasc9036]

One of commands of God is for men to be protectors. Women simply aren't protects and I know because I have a wife, two daughters, and mother. Although the Epistles clearly commands pastors/elders/bishops to protect the sheep, most American pastors and churches want "nice and non-confrontational" pastors/elders/bishops. I guarantee you that that's how the denominations like PCUSA became heretical. Too many emasculated pastors who just want to be "nice"....

[@zanykangaroo]

@@Cousinbilly118 1 Timothy 2-3

[@br.m]

@@Cousinbilly118 Bla bla bla. Yawn.

[@militaryminedid2011]

Pastor Everhard, thank you for sticking to your convictions and remaining biblical in an era within "Christianity" many put being "acceptable" supersedes God's word.

[@thereverendbates]

Amen 🙏

[@anthonyfava9367]

I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. The other heresies that derives from female pastors along with the horrible excuse for biblical exegesis to justify it further equates it to heresy.

[@Packhorse-bh8qn]

@anthonyfava9367 "I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. " No, it is not heresy. Yes, it's a serious sin, but it is not heresy. The Church historically has reserved that very severe word for teachings that directly attack the nature of God, or the Person and Work of Christ. This does neither, unless one wants to force a chain of ideas that eventually leads there. But by that standard, all error is heresy, which is patently ridiculous. It's only in the last few decades, as the church has become increasingly dumbed down, that that word, "heresy" has been flung around carelessly, at every idea we don't like. When we use words promiscuously, they lose their power. When very person who picks up a puppy from the side of the road, is a "hero", well, there aren't any true heroes anymore. When everything is "awesome", nothing can really be awesome anymore. Words matter. The word "heresy" should be used sparingly.

[@zanykangaroo]

@@Packhorse-bh8qn Feminism/egalistarianism denies Scirpture's clear inspiration from the Holy Spirit. What is that if not heresy?

[@Packhorse-bh8qn]

@@zanykangaroo No, it does not deny inspiration. It fails to submit to it, but it does not deny it.

[@kevinacres1699]

Behold to obey is better than sacrifice

[@tonycruisemusic]

this is why uzzah died because they thought they were doing the right thing but they disobeyed God

[@roberttrevino62800]

It borderlines on heresy. It overthrows the entire Genesis account and biblical order.

[@mastery4living187]

It is heresy. No question about it.

[@1517the_year]

@@mastery4living187heterodox, it does not effect salvation.

[@roberttrevino62800]

@@1517the_year ultimately, it proves someone does not have the spirit of God. You cannot read 1 Timothy 2:12 and allow women preachers unless you are “self warped, conceited, and unfit for any good work”

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@1517the_year Rebelling against God's government IS a salvation issue. Did God not cast Lucifer and the other sinning angels out of His ranks because they attempted to overthrow Him and make themselves the standard of morality? Is it logical to believe that God would trust a professing Christian with something like eternal life and a position even higher than Lucifer's if they won't submit to His authority? It is certainly not!

[@1517the_year]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 perfect theology is your standard of salvation I see! I thought it was faith alone but then again, what do I know! Your logic is poor and I’ll give you a reason. One characteristic listed in scripture for an elder in 1 Timothy 3:4 says that an elder must have children who are submissive of him. ESV. Does he lose out on salvation because he fails in this area? Your relying on human perfection and it’s quite literally, not biblical.

[@jc3isfree858]

Timely topic for me. Our church just recently made the move from EPC to PCA for these reasons, and others.

[@lou_-mg7mb]

Praise God. Calvin’s Institutes will be a help to your church Brother.

[@betty3107]

I have a hard time understanding how God's people have no problem accepting that God ordained man to be the spiritual leader for his family but will not accept that only man has been ordained for the spiritual leaders in the church Could it be pride?

[@8784-l3b]

Deborah was a Judge. According to the scriptures in Chronicles, a pastor/shepherd. Also she was married.

[@taebrown384]

Maybe just a different interpretation of scripture?? Not necessarily pride?? Only God knows a female pastors heart.

[@betty3107]

@@taebrown384 Maybe ❤️

[@prayersfordeliverance]

Yes, could it be Pride? NkJV, Micah 6:4, For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. God was saying, I sent you three Leaders. Yes, God sent a woman to lead. Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. The complementary roles and abilities of males and females bring balance, strength, and help to each another as they fulfill God’s purposes. Women and men (as man) were given the dominion mandate. Males and females (man’s houses) have distinct purposes and designs. Instead of asking if women should be in leadership, we should be asking how they are to exercise their leadership, given their purpose and design. What does the Woman’s purpose and design say about her leadership role? Blessings❤️

[@8784-l3b]

@@prayersfordeliverance you wrote: Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. There were some gender-specific roles on the Old Covenant, but there are none in the New. I wrote a free poastable essay on Deborah. A Judge could execute a man for his sin. There was no way to appeal or alter a Judge's verdict. This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. but false teachers and false teachings on this matter will not stop. Read time: 12 minutes should you wish a study at some point

[@chrismachin2166]

Complimentarianism not egalitarianism is the Bible message.

[@danwilsonpastor]

Curious how you get infant baptism from the Bible...?

[@philagon]

Curious how you limit baptism from the bible.

[@danwilsonpastor]

@@philagon Fair question. 1. Jesus got baptized as an adult. 2. All baptisms in Scripture are of adults. 3. A baby cannot choose anything so what is the point? 4. When Jesus gave instructions for baptism He said "Teach, baptize, teach". You can't teach a baby. 5. Infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling etc... were all brought in much later in Christian history when the church was well off the rails.

[@j.v.2064]

​@@danwilsonpastorCalvin, Luther, Knox, etc., accepted infant baptism... Were they wrong, or are you wrong?

[@danwilsonpastor]

​@@j.v.2064 no Scripture? Your argument is to deflect away from Scripture and turn to men who are supposedly more credible than I am? This has nothing to do with me or Calvin. You are supporting what Jesus warned about - teaching as doctrine things you can only prop up from men.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@j.v.2064They were wrong. The followed Augustine who was wrong. FWIW Augustine's bible was the Latin Vulgate which was put together from loose pile of manuscripts by Jerome. Problem is the Greek manuscripts were in error. FWIW v.2 Latin Vulgate was the bible of Jean Cauvin man in Geneva

[@sue.7494]

Thanks this has being one of my greatest struggle. Thanks love from Kenya.

[@yunowot]

You missed out one category which i think describes the situation perfectly: pure, pride driven disobedience. This makes it an issue of church discipline.

[@LionofJudah7771]

THANK YOU Matthew! That scale sure helps a lot.

[@arepadetrigo]

Although I disagree about infant baptist 🙂, I very much appreciate your take on the disagreement and I too believe we are brothers and one of us just happens to be wrong about that particular issue. There are some other things that sincere, genuine disciples of Jesus disagree on. One day, we'll all know. I also agree with your take here concerning women pastors and the slippery slope. Satan seems to use gender as a very divisive tool and I believe that women serving in offices that the Bible clearly denies them is one of Satan's strongest attacks on the church. Thanks for this well-spoken and thoughtful take on this divisive subject.

[@Outrider74]

If you violate the Scripture by stating “well it really doesn’t mean that” with one passage, you will eventually do it with other passages. And modernism does the same thing every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be st the head of the table, then it demands everybody else leave the table.

[@michaelicornelius]

But are Paul's letter actually scripture in the first place? When he said all scripture is ... there was only what we know as the Old Testament. Many of Pauls epistles contradict each other.

[@DrGero15]

@@michaelicornelius 2 Peter 3:15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

[@8784-l3b]

@@michaelicornelius I wrote an informal essay on some of Paul's teachings. He doesn't come out well. Free, if anyone wants a study.

[@tonimccoy9778]

So your opinions override the bible and the apostle Paul. The reason Pauline scriptures dont line up exactly with the gospels is that Paul's scriptures are dispensational..Therefore the scriptures do not contradict, they contrast..Toni's husband

[@Outrider74]

@@8784-l3b That means nothing. I could write an essay saying that modern evangelicals are the spawn of Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make it true. Funny, had St. Paul contradicted the other apostles, you would think that the other apostles would have clearly rebuked him. Yet you read nothing about that in either the Scriptures themselves or the early church fathers. Odd indeed...

[@Terrylb285]

Tell me what the world is saying today , and I’ll tell you what the church will be saying in 7 years. Francis Schaeffer.

[@43Danc]

Well done. I really appreciate how "tight" yet simplistic and complete your explanations are. Thank You Matt.

[@deniss2623]

You mean simple, not simplistic. In case anyone misunderstands you!

[@HonzaPokorny]

How do you decide what is clear from the Scriptures? If you interact with our more conservative brothers (people in our reformed camp), how do you decide who is right? If someone has a different opinion on what the Scriptures teach about exclusive psalmody, instruments, preservation of Scripture, frequency of the supper, etc, are they a false teacher?

Good point.

[@truthmatters82]

All sin is serious! " A little leaven leavens the whole lump". Gal. 5:9 Whenever we choose to ignore what is clearly stated in Scripture then know assuredly that the outcome will not be good. All disobedience is sin, and all unrepentant sin is serious and have consequences.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I see the female pastors issue as more of a symptom of heresy than a cause of heresy. I don't see EPC and ECO going down the same slippery slopes as the PCUSA, since they didn't start having female pastors as a result of liberalism, they simply inherited egalitarianism from the PCUSA and haven't been quite conservative enough to change that

[@_ZachB_]

Female pastor -> Homosexuality -> Apostasy ie. PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. Symptom or no, sometimes the slope is indeed slippery. Mandate female pastors, like the above denominations do and the rest are almost sure to follow. As far as I know right now there is still the possibility of a moral exemption from female ordination at the presbytery level in the EPC not so sure about the ECO. I can't think of a single mainline denomination that would allow me to be an elder and take a personal exemption from the ordination of women. Definitely not PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. How could someone be a member under such strictures, there is no chance to change presbytery or denominational views because you have no official voice to change polity if they won't even ordain/appoint you as an elder without compromising your morality. Best bet is getting as many lay people on your side and then funneling them out as quickly as possible.

[@danreichenberg5249]

I attended an ECO church with my wife for a while because it was the church she was part of when I met her. (First Presbyterian Colorado Springs) There is a lot of bad theology going down there. Especially when the women preachers get up to preach. Denying the authority of Scripture is denying the authority of Scripture, and it always leads to more and more errors and heresies. I can tell you scary stories!!!

[@jeffball6108]

The idea of women being relegated to a subservient role is abhorent in our society today and unfortunately as time has passed the church has submersed itself more and more into the muddy waters of secularism, to the point it is difficult to find Christ in some churches. Having been involved in pentecostal churches since my salvation (yes folks you can be saved in a pentecostal church😊) I have listened to many female preachers. Generally I would have to say it hasn't been a great experience. Scripture in many cases seems to be secondary to feelings. The other concern I have is there is often a very 'new age' feel to some of their preaching. Also, I don't blame women only, however there is no question female leadership has been an enabler to heresies such as homosexual ordination.

[@danreichenberg5249]

When the RPCNA examined whether holding to the acceptablity of women elders could be an acceptable exception, they ruled that it struck at the core of the gospel since it effectively denies inerrancy. I agree, and my experience is if you can learn to read the Bible so it is OK to ordain women elders, you can learn to read it so it allows for anything. The sky is the limit!

[@ChristyOFaghan]

"rebellion is as bad as witchcraft..." - 1 Sam 15:23

[@kwfinken]

I would put a category parallel to 'error' and below 'false teaching' that would be those areas that are unclear or disputable in scripture. I would also add that in the categories of "disputable" and "false teaching" it is not just one or the other is right, it is also possible that both who disagree are wrong. I would put egalitarian views in the false teaching category, I would put church structure in the disputable category.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

God's Word is NOT unclear about the issue. The real issue is you're trying to blur the lines on a subject that God says is black and white. The average atheist can read all of the passages and reach the same conclusion. God has never been unclear on doctrinal matters. Ppl simply try to rationalize them as being unclear in order to feign ignorance. When God says women are not to possess ecclesiastical authority, that's exactly what He means.

[@stephentruman382]

Very well put. I‘ve seen first hand the slippery slope that has lead to acceptance of accepting of homosexuality and other forms of sexual sin of the alphabet communities When I was in Leipzig, Germany. Especially among Lutheran Landeskirche. Germany is more egalitarian than the U.S., and especially the area that was formerly East Germany where I have lived for most of the last two years. I’ve also seen several false teachings, and errant charismatic excesses that have been brought to the local churches by women go uncorrected. The most aggresious example is back in June there was a women from California who called herself an Apostle Of Jesus Christ held a revival event in the building where my home congregation rented our meeting space. I spent the last 9 years in the Assemblies of God, and have served with Their World mission, and this is not the only issue that factored into my decision not to further go into the Assemblies Of God World Mission. Not only is this practice rebellion against the way the Church has been prescribed for us in the New Testament, but undermines the order of creation as well.

[@abc123fhdi]

some churches allow female deacons saying it's a service office and has no authority, but scripture does say even deacons should be the husband of one wife, just like elders and pastors. they try to say it's because the Bible is often taking the masculine form even when referring to both men and women but you can't apply that as being men only and men and women in the other instance.

[@GavinChmielewski]

In 1 Tim 3:11, the Greek word translated wives could just mean women. Which could mean that Paul is outlining the requirements for female deacons. It would be odd for Paul to include requirements for deacon's wives here but not the elders wives earlier in the chapter. The next verse would then be a prohibition against elders being polygamists'. Also, Paul already acknowledged that their is a female deacon in Rome, in Romans 16:1. He even speaks positively about her.

[@haiasinosdnah0813]

This was a great video… where does Evolution fit on that spectrum??? I view evolution as a Gospel issue because Romans 5 and original sin is butchered due to it.

[@tzgardner]

I watched a great presentation on this subject recently on KZbin. It's called "The Age of Things: Does it Matter?" by Kurt Wise

[@fabfrenchies1974]

Thank you for this message, I like to hear what I need not what I want.

[@glendagaskin151]

A sin is very serious according to God’s Word. He does not say that one sin is acceptable.

[@michaelclark2458]

I left my church over that after trying to reform it for about 6 years

[@Yesica1993]

Will watch later. But just off the top of my head, it's a very serious sin. It's a blatant and public flouting and usurping of God's authority.

[@kurtk8926]

Amen!

[@Yesica1993]

Addendum: Unfortunately, this issue has resulted in such hatred towards women, from supposed Christian men. (At least, that's what I've seen online.) That is the part that caught me off guard. I had no idea so many men in church hated women in general - in other words, hated ME - THAT much.

[@erc9468]

@@Yesica1993 It is unfortunate that there is that kind of thing. I think some men have gone a bit overboard. I think that the biggest problem is when just believing what scripture says is "hatred towards women" - theres alot of that too.

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

I do not think men are growing disgruntled with women due to these religious reasons per say. I think the issue is the horrible party and only fans culture that women out themselves in, which hurts young men looking for genuine love. As this culture becomes more and more accepting of casual relations young men are disproportionately affected by these effects like divorce and broken families, which leads to their pain growing to be bitterness towards all women. Seeing women pastors just reminds these men of the pride of the women who are immersed in this casual culture that hurt them @@Yesica1993

​@brijenell0201I am a man, and even I notice the hatred lately.

[@jericowatts9546]

Disobedience is as the sin of witchcraft!

[@rogueprincess89]

First off, I would like to say I appreciate your respectful tone when it comes to this subject. That being said, I would respectfully disagree with your conclusion. As a woman (Reformed, Calvinist, Presby), I have studied this topic in great depth and wish many more would do the same to come to their own conclusions. The Bible is not as clear as people would like to think about these passages. We read an english translation and, as such, it is also a type of commentary, and we miss a lot of nuance. The verses are usually cherry-picked out of context, and other verses that would tell them something might be a bit off with their interpretation, are ignored. Interpretive gymnastics as some would say. Paul was usually speaking to specific people, who were having a specific problem. And while in some churches he encouraged women to learn as students before trying to teach anyone, you only have to read the rest of the new testement to see all the women who were his co-workers: apostles, deacons, patrons, church leaders, etc. Even the church fathers (and all their misagonistic ways) admitted that women were apostles (Mary Magdalene and Junia) and leaders (Priscilla, Chloe, Lydia). In my view, when we deny women their rightful place next to men, we do damage to the body of Christ. As the Bible says: it is not good for men to be alone. So if there are no women voices in the church (elder board, etc), I see it as not good. (I know this will probably get some hate so I'll just say that if you want to comment, please provide the sources you've studied yourself that would affirm your opinion. Besides the Bible.)

[@marymorris6329]

I don't feel qualified to say sin. However I worked part time as a cleaner in a church of Scotland, and a regular congregant. The church of Scotland issued an edict to ordain a female elder. I was not comfortable. Having studied a little bit of scripture myself in the old and the new, but my conviction is the pattern is for men to be ordained, even in the new testament. I felt that that persons reasoning for ordaining women, was twisted to an apostle called Junia, and we are free from the law?? Paul seems to uphold some laws, and jesus had a high regard for the 10 commandments, and a new one jesua, asked,us to love one another. I was aware that there were female elders when I attended for all the years I was there. However, one day, after studying a wee module on christian theology, my heart was convicted that it seemed wrong, following the churches intention to ordain a woman as an elder. I backed off, informed the church minister that I would not be in attendance to the services, biblically put my point across. It wasn't received. I shook the dust of my feet and left. Within 3-4 months, my concience bothered me. I couldn't serve God and money, so I gave up my employment. I didn't feel spiritually safe there, I lost respect for the reformed church minister at that point. I moved church.

[@paulreilly4510]

Thanks for the clear teaching on these categories Pastor. My upbringing was in the UPC and I watched the trajectory "progress" ever downward. I have been in the C&MA my entire adult life (itself an offshoot from the Presbyterian church) but the denomination has committed to egalitarianism. Is there handwriting on the wall? My conscience cannot be quieted on this issue so far and I am wondering how this is going to work out. Unity at the expense of fidelity to the truth? One thing I must not do is walk a path without God's light in the way.

[@michaelicornelius]

God's light yet - but Paul says 'I do not permit ...' so it isn't God's word here but Pauls. As for the downward trend, in the mid 1800s Spurgeon said the downgrade of Christianity had already begun. He of course was a calvanist and that teaching was highly speculative.

[@conceptualclarity]

Has the Christian and Missionary Alliance also turned against wives submitting to their husbands?

[@paulreilly4510]

@@michaelicornelius It seems every generation has points of conflict between the body of Christ and the culture. I am sure Spurgeon was correct in that day just as we are seeing all things gender as the tip of the spear culture is attempting to skewer the body of Christ with. Thanks for seeing that this is not new. The issue about Holy Scripture is very important. How we view God's word says a lot about how we trust the power of God.

[@paulreilly4510]

@@conceptualclarity An answer to this question is as difficult to give as the question is to analyze. On the surface I have never heard a word spoken about it. That may be an answer in itself. I do recall a message I heard at least 10 years ago on the love & respect passages. The sermon was time weighted about 80/20 toward love. I can construe all sorts of meaning about the importance of instructing men to, and how to, love their wives. It is true, I need to hear and do it myself. But there is a clear message in the missing weight in the message. I give the benefit of the doubt to the weight of responsibility and leadership. Yet don't the "love & respect" passages and the "no male or female" both show that we all need instruction and grace?

[@conceptualclarity]

@@michaelicornelius it is God's word. I Cor. 14:37

[@andyontheinternet5777]

As a Baptist who studied at a PCA seminary, I would never call you a false teacher for having a pedobaptist view. Although I do think you are in error, I love my Presbyterian brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf]

How can there be any question about this issue? There are multiple texts in the Bible restricting women from BOTH speaking in the assembled gathering and from teaching the conregation or having authority over men. St. Paul makes it crystal clear that the Apostolic restrictions are NOT cultural, rather, they are grounded in: 1. Creation (Adam was created first). 2. Divine purpose (Adam was designed to lead, provide, and protect while Eve was created for Adam and child-rearing). 3. The Fall (Eve fell for the temptation of Satan and led Adam into sin. Paul indicates this is a warning that women are more open to Satanic false teaching). 4. The Law. 5. ITimothy and Titus specifically say that elders are to be men who manage their households well. 6. The salvific realm for women is stated directly as childbearing and household management. This indicates that salvation is NOT just easy believism but includes a God-ordered and God-ordained realm or purpose within the family. Modern Christianity has turned salvation into a personal Pietistic form of individualism. 7. A woman with an uncovered head in the gathered congregation dishonors her husband and competes with God's glory (the man). The woman is the glory of man. According to Paul this appears to offend the angels. Very few things are as clear and cross referenced as the Apostolic restrictions on women. Hence, for a woman to teach the gathered congregation and have spiritual authority over men is a serious sin. It also opens God's people to false teaching which should be abundantly obvious given what has happened in Mainline Protestant denominations.

[@battlesqueak5838]

Well spoken

[@shulamite6128]

100000 AMENS

[@Rkld34]

Why is that, what is wrong with women that they can’t preach to men??

[@christinerosenquist7657]

@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf well said. Women are the enforcement of Adam. There is a difference between the physical realm and the spiritual. The key word "sin" indicates the spiritual in this matter. Adam was already accountable for Eve. They failed in their relationship to be a help to each other. Woman should not work against the success of her husband or herself. We are created as mammals to be on this earth. Why would anyone work against their spouse? We are to fellowship with God. Take care of our family and fellowship with God. Man is held accountable to take care of the family and lead the family to success, including the children to obey their parents and the wife is to enforce and allow the man to take care of the family. So simple. The woman already has a job more than just childbearing, to also enforce obedience to God. So therefore, the man is held accountable to God to pastor and teach the younger men how to lead their families. God's word gives the job description, and it makes perfect sense.

[@pasoleati07]

Rev. Everhard, I am interested in your book "The Theology of Joy" but I'm having trouble finding a review of it. Since the library doesn't have it, I'd have to buy it, and so I'd like to first know the contents of what I'm buying - things like its theme and its intended audience, how accessible it is to laypeople, and the like. I have a lot of respect for you and so I'd like to check out this book if it is something I should read, especially as you refer to it as your "magnum opus." Thanks. (Randy S.)

[@MathildaMann]

Please can someone tell me if it's ok to sing praises to the " 14:43 "Roaring Lion" during worship. I have a problem with that but seems to be the only one in the congregation. Your views?

[@reformationfan]

Well said, I have seen allowing females pastors connected with the bible in its particular culture, so instead of the word of God as eternal truth it is subject to its time in history. This denies the inerrancy of scripture which I believe is at the heart of churches bowing to the culture.

[@michaelicornelius]

The Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts which we don't have, is the NIV, Message Bible, KJB etc etc are they all inerrant because they contradict each other. They all choose to translate words/passages based on their doctrinal position.

[@heartofalegend]

Hey brother, I recently encouraged my mother (professing believer) to visit a nearby EPC based on watching one of their services online and talking with the pastor. He's reformed and seems to reference Luther and Calvin, quite a bit. He's nearby where she lives, which is important because she's rather immobile and needs assistance getting to and from. I'm hoping this could be a good step for her, but your video made me wonder if I should be concerned for any reason. In the EPC, are there straight-up reformed biblical churches, or are they by definition problematic, simply for BEING an EPC church rather than PCA?

[@penglim224]

Would having a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus leads believers away from error, false teaching, heresy, blasphemy and apostasy? Does any church teach its people to build a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus?

[@completestrangeronline7284]

The way you feel about women preachers is the way I feel about people who teach infant baptism. But I don’t think those issues are enough to make it so that I cannot fellowship with either group.

[@willfull1604]

This is a false analogy. There are solid scriptural arguments for Presbyterian infant baptism (not baptismal regeneration) as analogous to circumcision even if you or I don't agree with them. The scriptures are clear. Women are not to be preachers or hold authority over men in the church or home.

[@jeffball6108]

Hi, can I ask what is the difference between infant baptism and Presbyterian infant baptism? Also, do you have a video on infant baptism?

[@jonasaras]

⁠@@willfull1604The NT states that physical circumcision has been replaced by circumcision of the heart, and NOT done with hands, (Romans 2:29, Col 2:11). Unless you baptize yourself, it’s done by human hands. There is no case in the NT of an unbeliever being baptized.

[@Yesica1993]

The difference being that the Bible is silent on infant baptism. I am not aware of any example of babies / young children baptized in the Bible, or any stating of it. The examples we do have are adults, or at least people able to understand what they're doing. In contrast, the Bible speaks directly against women being pastors/teachers of men. That is the difference. I would be okay visiting a church that baptizes babies, as long as they make it clear this does not save them. But I could not be a member at such a church. My former church (lost through Covid) baptized babies sometimes. But it wasn't pushed on everyone and it was always clearly stated that it was not for salvation. It wasn't very often, and everything else about the church and its teaching was wonderful. So I was okay with it. In contrast, I could not even visit a church where a woman was preaching. That's outright rebellion.

[@completestrangeronline7284]

@@Yesica1993 The problem with that is, there’s forward movement in the New Testament that suggests in other ecclesiastical contexts, women did have prominent ministry roles, such as Romans 16. And in 1 Timothy 2::12-13 notice Paul says I do not permit he didn’t say God did not ever permit a woman to speak or have authority over a man, the reason why Paul did not permit it was because false teachers were coming into the congregations and gaining control over weak willed women who were loaded down with sins. It’s quite possible that if Paul was writing to a church in America today, the question of whether or not a woman can minister for God wouldn’t even come up. We gotta use our heads and not quote texts out of context. So maybe an understanding of the culture and the context might bring clarity on these prohibitions. And if anyone wants to be contentious about this particular exposition, remember that you have to do the same thing if you want to justify infant baptism, there is no specific case in the New Testament where a baby is baptized, you have to look at the forward movement of the New Testament toward the baptizing of households. So there!

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Interesting post. Although I once was a pastor in a denomination that ordained women, and have attended other churches that are part of denominations that do, I have always leaned complimentarian. Like you, I haven't been fully persuaded by the arguments for ordaining women. And, although, it may only be associational and not causal, I find it interesting that so many denominations that voted to ordain women have gone on to approve practicing homosexuals, transgenders, and the like.

[@scp025]

I'm currently attending a church with female pastors, and while I came to accept the gospel, get baptized, and make many friends in the Lord in that community, I've felt increasingly convicted on this particular issue. Thank you for your clarity and thorough presentation here!

[@8784-l3b]

One still has to explain Deborah. The Judge was the primary pastor/shepherd of God's people at that time period. I suggest my short and free scripturally-based essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation

[@scp025]

@@8784-l3b Given the totality of scripture and the clear guidelines offered in 1 Timothy, it would seem to me that Deborah is an exception that proves the rule: a woman elevated to leadership as a consequence of the weakness of the men around her. Perhaps even a judgment from the Lord in the vein of Isaiah 3:12.

[@8784-l3b]

@@scp025 Taken from my essay below: THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers. Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel. -excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above) When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.

[@Tony-q1f]

Spot on. In a world where most men like to be mothered and are too scared to stand as men there needs to be a deep understanding of why women are not equipped to be pastors. It says in scripture that a man who is married is divided, on the one hand he wants to please God and on the other hand he wants to please his wife. There is a difference here in as much there is a difference between soul and spirit. Whenever I have heard a woman pastor it is for the most part touchy, feely, limp wristed wishy washy namby pamby emotinal rubbish. And yet the men sit there and soak it all up. Not wanting to sound offensive to women on this subject then opens the door to not wanting to offend anyone. If salt loses its saltiness etc etc..

[@jsharp3165]

I almost feel like the False Teaching category should have 2 tiers. There are matters like baptism and many others over which we have honest, scholarly, and prayerful exegetical differences that have existed for centuries. There are enough of them that they are why we have so many denominations. It is intentional but they are still held by godly, serious, bible-believing people. They are the very definition of "honest differences," even if - as you point out - somebody has to be mistaken. That's the first tier. They are quite different from opinions and doctrines that are either manufactured from whole cloth or borrowed from culture (or religious syncretism) and then given reverse-engineered bespoke textual readings. That intellectual dishonesty creates another category that - while possibly sincere - is in a different tier of falsehood.

[@James-q4l1m]

In God's eyes I don't believe there is a rating of seriousness of sin. Whether you be a serial murderer, or a white liar you will in both cases meet the same fate. If you are to follow a woman preacher you are following a false teacher, and your salvation may be in jeopardy. You may be following a male false teacher all the same, as they are seekers of power and occupy churches all around us, but in the case of woman pastors, it's just that much easier to discern.

[@daledickerson-r9u]

Yes, there are male false teachers, and we should be aware of and flee from them.

[@Altamau]

You are right on target pastor, stand strong! Women should also remember this; The Lord chose 12 Apostles to go out and spread the Gospel, to teach and preach. There is never mention of The Lord appointing women. Main reason is, they are a distraction, specifically for men. The hair, the bosom exposure, the tight clothes, short skirts, exotic heel, false eye lashes on and on to mention a few. The pulpit is to get fed with the word of God. It is NOT a stage! I will never attend churches where women are pastors. Oh yes, I AM A WOMEN. I go straight to what is written even if I have to stay home and do it. Stand strong against the evil sweeping the land. Blessings to you.

[@Rkld34]

You hate yourself if you can’t listen to someone who looks like you, and don’t men get distracted by worldly things like status and money, so women are not allowed to preach because they are a distraction to men?? What a stupid thing

[@Rkld34]

@@Altamau shouldn’t the people who get distracted easily by the ones god don’t approach? Since you are a woman, think about why god wouldn’t appoint women to spread his words, what is wrong with women that god wouldn’t chose them to spread his words

[@Jacqz-k9l]

I personally think that the Bible is very clear on this subject. As a woman, I’ve never had a problem with that teaching, in fact embrace it. It does not mean women are ‘lesser’ or ‘inferior’. We all have different roles to play in life & in our faith. 🙏✝️🇦🇺

[@kareizaamune429]

How do women play a role if they are not allowed to speak or sing? How does a woman communicate her opinions?

[@Rkld34]

Your god don’t even want you to spread his word, that means god doesn’t trust women with his word, why are you worshipping him

[@chrisanok9283]

​@@kareizaamune429scripture says they can trach women and children. Also, you show you ate filled with pride which many women are. What if i said to my employer " if i cant be thw boss, what exactly can i do fornthe company?"". That will show my employer i am filled with ego

[@brandonvaara4060]

The title of this video is a loaded question. If we were to go through the list of qualifications for elder positions, most male pastors would not live up to the standard. Yet they continue to practice ministry. Same people say women cannot teach men, even though they aren't qualified to do so either.

[@daledickerson-r9u]

None of us can actually live up to the Bible's standards 100%. If the man is not qualified, then he should not be teaching.

[@8784-l3b]

@@daledickerson-r9u And what are the qualifications for 'father'? Be careful of the teachings of Paul. ________________________________________________________ For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus

[@MrWatsonComeHere]

I believe this issue is in the heresy category. Heretical defined: of or relating to adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma : characterized by heresy; of, relating to, or characterized by departure from accepted beliefs or standards : Unorthodox.

[@cheerjim]

My PC-USA church is on it's fourth female pastor since 1993. What I've seen since 1993 is so many word changes, where the word changes in the readings. The word "man" changed to "people". Or "In His name," changed to "In his name." or "Heavenly Father" to Heavenly Parent," or changing "Kingdom" to "kin-dom." Few to no male Elders or Deacons. All of my grandfathers have been Elders in this historical old church since 1783, except me. And that was my belief against LBGQT. My entire family from 1796 are buried out back, and so will I, but I have attended a PC-ARP, and with more thought and prayer, I may switch to ARP after 75 yrs in the same church and pew. PC-USA is not going to change back to the good old days before 1983. Listening to you, Matthew keeps me sane, and a more line of my thinking, and certainly God's.

[@br.m]

Don't give up all hope.. Some churches have managed to go back to scripture and repent from allowing women pastors. So it is possible..

[@Rkld34]

So you thing God is a male and he made the Bible for men since you don’t want the pronouns to change so it includes both men and women

[@je3199]

Loove Audible. Just got your book, thanks for the info. Love the channel.

[@bradsmith4257]

I bring to your attention a channel on youtube called Word Speak 1048. The man did 11 video's breaking down bibically why women have not been called by God. I believe it's titled women in the pulpit. God is clear on who he has called and who he hasn't.

[@alanhowe1455]

It's serious because it goes against the Bible - and any disobedience in this area will lead to other, probably worse errors.

[@MrWatsonComeHere]

So, according to the continuum chart, is someone who has biblically come to a different position on say pedobaptism, end times, female pastors etc… a false teacher or just teaching a falsehood according to the contrary side? It would seem there would be loads of fingers pointing at false teachers out there. Or is it just a matter of difference or disagreement on theology?

[@hanskern]

Women pastors having authority over men in a church are a rebellion against God's commandment (1Ti 2:12) and this is a very serious issue. "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." (1Sa 15:23). There might still be some individuals being saved in such a church, but the church overall has gone astray.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

How does being a speaker of the Gospel give anyone "authority" over anyone?? Paul is specifically addressing the goddess Artemis of Ephesus cult feminist fanatics. If you can't figure that out, you are too lazy to be "preaching" anything.

[@Jeowyn]

​@Baltic_Hammer6162 Ultimately God can and does choose whoever he wants to spread his Gospel, which is one beautiful thing about him. It's sad so many men seem to hate women so much they won't even accept the Gospel from them.

[@Kathy-j4e]

Matt: I spoke to a PCA minister a few years back about being baptized as a child versus a grown up man/woman. Being an Evangelical Christian, I explained that a baby cannot make a decision about conviction, repentance, acceptance of the gift of salvation in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Why do they do this. They actually called it Baptism. That's it. That child is now a Christian. I wasnt getting anywhere. Okay, dedicate a baby, but explain that this is not believers baptism. This is done years down the road. I can't believe you are a part of this lie! Sorry, this is not about "Women as Pastors". I just kind of stuck my comment in there. Kathy

[@Cody-s9j]

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

[@8784-l3b]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

[@Cody-s9j]

@@8784-l3b people interpret the Bible to custom fit there needs like Pentecostal churches they interpret the scriptures that says the disciples began to speak in tounges they had never spoken before they don't explain the entire verse what the lord ment was they began speaking in other people's native language so they could spread the word of god 1 Corinthians 14: The gift of speaking in tongues is described as a spiritual gift that allows a baptized person to speak a foreign language they don't know. It's said to be a way to edify someone who does speak that language, and that the speaker is speaking to God, not people. 1 Corinthians 14:27 also suggests that speaking in tongues should be done in groups of two or three, with someone interpreting. This is why I don't attend any church but I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ

[@debras3806]

Can i encourage you, find a church!?

[@br.m]

@@8784-l3b Judges are not relevant.

[@joshuacarr1720]

​@@Cody-s9j so forsake not fellowship means nothing to you?

[@abc123fhdi]

what verse do you reference in your practice of infant baptism? Have you ever baptized adults? We see that John the Baptist baptized believers in the Jordan river by immersion. It's not indicated there is any other baptism anywhere in scripture. It's not necessarily a good idea to follow the practices of any church blindly unless it's biblical whether PCA, PCUSA, Southern Baptist or any other.

[@leviwilliams9601]

By your logic, women would not get communion because the Bible didn't explicitly say they should. We believe in covenant theology. For example, baptism in Hebrews to all the people of Israel escaping Egypt under the Red Sea. Children and infants were in that group. God works covenantly with his people. As a Christian man, who is married to a godly woman. All my children are Christians whether they like it or not. They can fall away, but they are Christians. For example, Jesus cut off all the Jews off the covenantal tree because they denied him. They were still Jewish though.

[@tonimccoy9778]

You know, I don't know how my Christian brothers can read their bible and not see there are 2 gospels..1 for Israel and 1 for gentiles.The lord in the gospels is obviously preaching to Jews and Apostle Paul to the gentiles.Acts 9 explains this clearly as the Lord Jesus speaks to Annanias from heavens glory..The bible is all written for us but not all to us..God bless..Toni's husband

[@TheRebeccaLivermore]

@@leviwilliams9601 thanks for sharing your thoughts. How do you reconcile infant baptism with believing preceding baptism in Mark 16:16?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@tonimccoy9778 There is only _1_ gospel that is in scripture, and the same gospel was preached to both Israelites and Gentiles.

[@EdilaLewis]

Patterson California where they have a church called the gathering and they're trying to get an ordained woman pastor so now I'm out looking for another church

[@anthonylangford7797]

No such thing as female clergy just females dressed up as clergy.

[@br.m]

The term is "impastor"

[@needmorebeans]

What are your thoughts on women being CEOs, Chair, Principal, Headmaster of Christian charities, parachurch organisations, Christian schools?

[@mike245401]

There is no sin in female Pastors. Lots of women in the Bible were prophets and prophesied. Example: Miriam: Moses' sister, she is referred to as a prophetess in Exodus 15:20. Deborah: A judge and prophetess, she led Israel during a time of oppression (Judges 4:4). Huldah: She was consulted by King Josiah's officials for guidance on matters of the law (2 Kings 22:14-20). Anna: A prophetess who recognized and praised Jesus at his presentation in the temple (Luke 2:36-38). These are just a few examples Phophet meaning: a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God. But sale them books man. Cause people can't read their own Bible in plain English!✌

[@michaelicornelius]

Well said, they forget that Paul says that the Holy Spirit gives gifts as He wills, not as Paul would will 'I do not permit ..' says Paul, the Holy Spirit says I will gift whom I will.

[@mike245401]

​@@michaelicornelius Exactly thanks for adding that!😊

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

This is an argument based on ignorance. Being a prophet is NOT the same office as being a minister, and God made that clear to Miriam. She thought that being a prophetess put her on the same lvl as Moses, and God struck her with leprosy so she could reflect on her arrogance outside the camp for a whole week. That is what female pastors are: spiritual lepers who pass their rebellious disease on to other ppl who are foolish enough to listen to them.

[@Lonesoul9791]

Can anyone recommend a reformed church in the Greenville NC area?

[@xAaeiynx]

Priscilla (with her husband, Aquila) has a church, in her home (Rom 16:3-5 & 1 Cor 16:19). Paul (the same guy who wrote the 1 Tim 2:12 verse) constantly commends her (and her husband) for her work (Rom 16:3, 1 Cor 16:19 & 2 Tim 4:19). Priscilla (with her husband) taught a man (Apollos), in Act 18:26, expanding his knowledge beyond just the Baptism of John. Anna (a prophetess & widow) spoke to anyone, in Jerusalem, looking to be redeemed in the Lord (Luke 2:36-38). 1 Tim 2:13-14 talks about Adam's authority over Eve but puts it in a "men rule over women" sort of way. If we go back to Gen 3:16 God tells Eve that Adam's authority over her is that of a "husband over wife" and not "men over women". So, when 1 Tim 2:12 says "women usurping authority over men" is really about wives, and that the husband is above the wife and not "all men over all women". As other verses and books of the bible repeats the "wives submit to your own husbands" commandment (Gen 3:16, Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, etc.). Makes sense as women will not be submitting themselves to men that aren't their own husbands.

[@75Cee]

What a solid biblical explanation.

[@mamboman2]

You have to look at the pattern that has been happening in many churches, once a church or denomination begins having female pastors, the ordination of gay clergy follows, and then full-blown apostasy and false doctrines.

[@Annie-u4n]

Is it the word pastor that is the problem? There were women prophetesses, remember Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Annah etc. The women pastors are people who go to school to study theology, to understand the bible and teach other people. I do not see anywhere the Lord speaks against women teaching, look at the context under which Paul wrote that women should not speak in church, otherwise if we take everything at face value, then we need to think again.

[@8784-l3b]

Actually the Judges were pastors/shepherds. So, Deborah. Wrote a free essay on her. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation

[@DivineDissident]

I find this video extremely problematic. 1. There is no scriptural evidence presented to back up the claims that female pastors are sinful. 2. He provides no evidence as to how women teaching = false teaching. False teaching has to do with the content of the teaching, not who is teaching. 3. The biggest problem of all imo, is calling something sinful that scripture never does. You would have to be able to prove that preaching truth and caring for the sheep as a loving shepherd is sinful just because a woman is doing it, which is ridiculous. 1 Timothy 2 & 3 is misunderstood, and I understand people being confused about women. But to jump from disagreement over what the scripture means to "female pastors are sinful" is a leap that the bible doesn't substantiate at all. It's simply assumed as wrong because people just read 1 Timothy 2 and 3 out of context, don't really look at the Greek and don't use the rest of scripture to understand this topic as a whole, taking into account everything the bible has to say about it. If anyone is interested in another view I have a series on my channel digging into this. What I do believe the bible does substantiate is that it is unbiblical to subordinate and stop women from using their gifts for the benefit of the whole church. It goes against the entire purpose of why gifts are given to believers in the first place. If you visit my youtube channel the first video is featured on my youtube home page.

[@darrellwatson1071]

For me, with female leaders in nearby churches, it is how do I fellowship, work together, pray, etc. with them, I am not the judge; I am to love God's people. I have seen good, Godly fruit come from some - not all - of these churches. We can pray that God will raise up men into leadership in those fellowships; in the meantime, I'm not throwing rocks.

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

I would also say women can not validly administer the Eucharist, meaning she is damaging the entire congregation. That to me is far worse than false teaching

[@mikegallant811]

Well let me put it to you this way friend, in all the time I have been in the Roman Catholic church and that was since I was baptized back when I was a little baby, but definitely at least since I received my first communion back when I was a little fella, I have never had a problem and I never will have a problem with women being Eucharistic ministers. And in one of the churches I used to belong to with my mom and dad, they even gave the Eucharistic ministers a nice little medallion that had the symbol of the Eucharist on it.

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

@@mikegallant811 Women can not be priests, hence they can not consecrate the blood and body. Women can distribute the sacrament in extra ordinary circumstances, but the Priest and Decon/Elders should always be the ones to distribute in any normative way.

[@mikegallant811]

@@WaterMelon-Cat well, all the Catholic churches I've been a member of have had both male and female Eucharistic ministers, that have given to communicants the Body, and where the church has done both forms, the Blood of Christ. And that is hopefully the way it will remain, for many long happy good years. In fact I hope the church never stops allowing both genders to be Eucharistic ministers.

[@andrewwoods456]

I would look at Albert Mohler's article on the case for theological triage or Gavin Ortlind's book 'Finding the Right Hills to Die On'

[@karendash3274]

I’m currently searching for a church to join in my area but even though Reformed Presbyterian is entered in the search bar, what comes up on closer scrutiny of these offerings is female pastors on their websites I just can’t enjoin myself to a church if they promote female pastors, celebrate Easter with the Easter bunny and egg hunts, or use Santa Clause at Christmas Until then …I will be attending your church via You Tube… until I can find a church in my area that is Biblically centered 🙏❤️😊

[@simeonyves5940]

If you are in the US, try the OPC or the RPCNA, they both utterly Forbid women from having any rank above Laity, and do not Permit any Celebration of Easter or Christmas at all, as they are Lords Day Only as per the 1648 Westminster Standards and Directives. They might be just who you are looking for. Hope that Helps.

[@karendash3274]

@@simeonyves5940Thanks for your help. I live in Ontario, Canada and although my husband is okay with female pastors, I’m not as I see it as a red flag as to interpreting scripture. I’m praying that we’ll be finding a church soon that we can be members of.😊🙏

[@simeonyves5940]

@@karendash3274 No Problem. You need to get your Husband to read 1st Timothy Chapter 2 immediately! women Pastors are absolutely Forbidden by Scripture, which means, as all Scripture is given by Inspiration of God (2nd Timothy Chapter 3) , God has forbidden women Pastors. You are 100% Correct that it is a Red Flag. I am ex church of England, and I have seen with my own eyes what happens when women's ordination is allowed, it results, Invariably, without fail, in total Apostasy! the church first stops teaching the 5 Solae, then they stop teaching the 5 Points of Grace, then they start teaching the lies of Rome, then they start permitting Abortion and Homosexuality, then they teach Universalism, and then they go so far as to deny that Christ ever Existed, and Denying the fact that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is explicitly warned against as a mark of an anti-christ by St. John the Apostle. women's ordination is the first step on a very slippery slope! so churches with women in any position above Laity are to be avoided Entirely! they are Disqualified. This is why it is Vital to search for a Church that utterly Forbids women pastors in their Canon Laws. The Church, for its Survival, must be utterly against women's ordination and must make it a hill to literally die upon, they must be able to say, along with the Reverend Brett Murphy of the FCE/REC "a woman will only be ordained in the FCE over my, quite literally Dead!, Dead Body" , it is that Serious. Because it Destroys entire Denominations! if even the church of England can fall, any Denomination can fall! Women Pastors, are, indeed, a massive Red Flag, and it is God Himself who has given you that Discernment through the Holy Ghost. Try the 9 Marks church finder, they cover Presbyterians as well as Confessional Reformed Baptist, so their may be a decent Presbyterian Church on there for you. Hope that Helps.

[@karennicholson4167]

I think it can be dangerous to grade sins in severity. Sin is sin and separates us from God.

[@blackukulele]

Thank you. The edges of this are appearing in my branch of the Presbyterian Church atm. BTW, about false teaching, I once saw a cartoon about Noah's ark. All the animals except the rhinoceros were at one end of the ark to avoid the rhino was at the other. The giraffe was explaining to Noah that it wasn't the smell, but the fact that the rhino held the doctrine of postmillennialism.

[@dedios03]

....uh its not a sin

[@truthmatters82]

Please explain.

[@tredinabrown2249]

​@@truthmatters82Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven. Psalm 85:11

[@arneherstad2198]

Here are two examples from Scripture with regard to the topic at hand: 1) 2nd Kings five. Naaman was a great captain in Syria, but he was a leper. An Israelite captive, a young girl, blurted out, "IF ONLY MY LORD WOULD SEE THE PROPHET WHO IS IN ISRAEL! HE WOULD HEAL HIM OF HIS LEPROSY!!!" Those words touched off a caravan of horsemen, riches and a letter to a king. But they were spoken by a female in low estate from an enemy country. Yet Naaman listened, obeyed, and was healed. 2) John chapter four: Jesus met a woman of low estate at a well in Samaria. After a short conversation, she left he waterpot, ran to the men of the city and called out, "Come see the man who told me everything I ever did; IS NOT THIS THE CHRIST?" The whole town came, and Jesus stayed with them two days. After he left, the men told the woman, "We no longer believe because of your testimony; we have heard him ourselves, and believe and know that this man is the Savior of the world." A girl and a woman of low estate, yet each were used by God to set off events that would echo in both time and eternity. Both said, simply, "Come and see". There's power in keeping to the spheres of authority that God has set in place for us. So let us work out our salvation with fear and trembling, "for it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

[@752brickie]

Where are you located? I am in western PA. Thank you

[@1978donavan]

Well put, great content, I think for future content you could perhaps speak about current women pasters and what they should do now, that they are practicing?

[@danielquinones8099]

How serious is the doctrinal heresy of Calvinism???

[@joycepartee7797]

Thank you for the Truth! I told some women that a woman is not a pastor! They did like the Truth! I Speak the Truth of GOD'S WORD! They Know the Truth and I gave the Scriptures! They have a woman Pastor!

[@johfu4705]

Hi Matthew! Think again, 1 Tim 2 and 1 Cor 14 have nothing to do with women pastors, these texts deal with the relationship between husbands and wives. Women were clearly preaching in Pauline churches, 1 Cor 11. Your and others definitions and way of doing church have been too much influenced by modern American culture.

[@Bruised-Reed]

It’s not as clear as many make out, but what is clear is the damage done by silencing half the body of Christ…the Bride of Jesus has been dealt a huge blow by dividing over this issue.

[@shaunhunterit342]

@@Bruised-Reed what is this damage you speak of exactly?

[@Bruised-Reed]

@@shaunhunterit342 silencing half the Christian population available to teach, preach, minister to would be rather large damage. There are parishes in the UK who chose to remain without a pastor rather than have a woman one. This is denying the spread of the gospel, growth of believers and ministry of the needy….

[@shaunhunterit342]

@@Bruised-Reed I think you're being overly dramatic

[@johfu4705]

@@shaunhunterit342 This is not a gospel issue as Matthew recognises, but it is unfortunate that many have made this issue a test for orthodoxy. I think this is unwise and unbiblical. The Bible is not black and white on this issue, one or two texts (that are misinterpreted by most) should not override the general witness of Scripture. And our way of doing church and definitions of pastor and preaching are very modern American fundamentalism and just splitting hairs which run into all sorts of practical problems. These conceptions are very far removed from New Testament Christianity.

[@stevenchicone9159]

In Paul’s day, the only people preaching the gospel were recent converts and rec’d the Holy Spirit. The only churches were home churches and some women had these; Chloe maybe? So if a woman had a home church in her home and people were coming to hear the gospel, she had to remain silent? If there is no man to preach then the gospel is not to be preached?

[@d.o.7784]

Have you ever given some thoughts about who put the books together that you today call it bible and adhere to it as sacred?

[@williambillycraig1057]

You nailed it.

[@andybasnight91]

Acts 2: 17. God poured out his Spirit upon all flesh. Your son and daughter shall prophecy. How come a woman that has the Spirit of God in her , Not Speak ?

[@bikerboy9010]

Christians do vary on the women pastor issue. There's a lot of Christians that believe it's a sin for women to be pastors, and there's a lot of Christians that believe it's not a sin for women to be pastors. The reason why many people have differing opinions about the women pastor issue is because it's very hard for people to determine whether 1 Timothy 2:12 is a cultural specific situation of Paul and Timothy restricting the women from Ephesus that were teaching Gnosticism from being pastors or a universal situation of God not wanting any woman to be a pastor of a church. The context of 1 Timothy is about Paul and Timothy ministering to the people in Ephesus, and Ephesus did have a huge problem with women that were false teachers teaching Gnosticism to people. A lot of information in 1 Timothy is universal, and a lot of information in 1 Timothy is culture specific. It's very hard to tell if 1 Timothy 2:12 is a universal principle or a culture specific principle. If 1 Timothy 2:12 is a universal principle, that proves how women shouldn't be pastors. 1 Timothy 2:12-14 says "I do not permit a woman to have spiritual authority over a man. For Adam was formed first. It was not Adam who was deceived. It was Eve". If for in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 means because, if the Greek word for for in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 means because, etc, that proves that women shouldn't be pastors since it's explaining the universal principle as to why God doesn't want women to be pastors due to the creation account. Some people use the "husband of one wife" argument to prove it's a sin for women to be pastors. 1 Timothy 3 talks about how pastors need to be the "husband of one wife". Some people think that when the Bible says that pastors need to be the "husband of one wife", it means they have to be men since husband implies man. The phrase "husband of one wife" isn't meant to be taken literally. If "husband of one wife" were meant to be taken literally, that would mean single people can't be pastors because husband implies being married, but there's strong evidence in the Bible how it's not a sin for single people to be pastors. Paul, Timothy, and Titus were pastors of churches, and they weren't married, and God approved of them being pastors, which is strong evidence how it's not a sin for single people to be pastors. The Greek word for "husband of one wife" is Mias Gunaikos Aner, which means one woman man, someone who doesn't struggle with adultery, etc. When the Bible says pastors need to be the "husband of one wife", it means they need to be people who don't struggle with adultery, who aren't players, who aren't womanizers, etc. Some people think that since the word "He" is used a lot in 1 Timothy 3 to describe qualifications of being a pastor, he means that women can't be pastors. 1 Timothy 3 says "he must not be quarrelsome, he must be the husband of one wife, he must be trustworthy", etc. The thing is all throughout the Bible when the word "He" "Men", etc is used, the situation applies to both men and women. When Matthew 10:37 says that "He that loveth a father or mother more than me is not worthy of me", the situation applies to both men and women. Proverbs 22:6 says "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from me". Even though the word "He" is used in Proverbs 22:6, the situation applies to both men and women. When Ephesians 4:8 says "God gave gifts to all men", the situation applies to both men and women even though the word men is used. When Matthew 5:28 says "Whosoever looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart", the situation applies to both men and women, the situation applies to men lusting after women, the situation applies to women lusting after men, etc. Some people use the argument how it's not a sin for women to be pastors due to Priscilla being a pastor. Priscilla in the Bible wasn't a pastor. Priscilla in the Bible was a ministry leader but not a pastor. I can't find any examples of women pastors in the Bible. It's very hard to tell if 1 Timothy 2:12 is a universal principle or a culture specific principle. If 1 Timothy 2:12 is a universal principle that isn't a culture specific principle, that would prove how it's a sin for women to be pastors. It's not sexist to be against women pastors. I don't think people who are against women pastors are sexists. I believe men and women should be treated fairly, shouldn't be wrongfully discriminated against, etc, but at the same time, the differences between men and women need to be taken into consideration in some circumstances. Men and women should be treated fairly, but at the same time, men and women are different from one another, and the differences between men and women need to be taken into consideration in some circumstances.

[@8784-l3b]

you wrote: I can't find any examples of women pastors in the Bible. I suggest my short and free scripturally-based essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@carmennooner2027]

My younger sister has always been a feminist. Once she became a born again, Bible believing Christian, she jumped in fully and completely, to the point where she took classes at The Bible Institute of Hawaii (she lives in Honolulu). When it came to the issue of the role of women, Biblically, she did everything possible to find a loophole. She doesn't want to preach, or even teach, so we can get that out of the way right now. She was against the archaic morals the Bible teaches, when it comes to the topic of women. She has been a Christian since the early 2000s, when she retired from her job in CA and moved back home to HI. Perhaps her exposure to the Silicon Valley progressive attitude she was surrounded by every day added to her feminist way of thinking. I'll never know. But she values God and His Word above all else, so even though she is still uncomfortable about that issue, she loves the Lord with all her heart and I know, without a doubt, that she is Heaven bound when the Lord calls her Home!

[@Szpak-123]

you wrote: When it came to the issue of the role of women, Biblically, she did everything possible to find a loophole. She should read my free informal postable essay on Deborah. Read time: 10 minutes A Judge could teach. A Judge could execute a man for his sin.

[@chrisanok9283]

​@@Szpak-123a judge IS NOT a pastor. Paul wouldn't have wrote a woman cant lead a man if woman can actually lead men. You have to believe Paul was sexist and unqualified or he is correct on what he said. Nothing in between

[@Szpak-123]

@@chrisanok9283 (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2

[@Fairford2001]

Well said, Pastor Matt! I agree with your conclusion that women should not be pastors. I don’t go to a Presbyterian church but rather non-denominational church. We have a board of elders plus a pastor who’s an elder. There won’t be denominations in heaven so that’s why I’m no longer part of one. I will admit having denominations now may help a person decide to go to a conservative vs. liberal church. I also disagree with infant baptism. But here’s the thing. You’re still my brother in Christ. I have learned a lot from you. God bless.

[@Weavileiscool]

I grew up Assemblies of God and thankfully they have stayed conservative outside of egalitarianism but I now see the biblical problems with it. And in reality head pastors being female is quite rare at least where I grew up although there have been multiple children’s pastors or youth pastors that are female and while I believe they are walking in a gray area that shouldn’t exist (just go to the main service), they along with non pastors who are female have preached in the main service. I find problems with that on many levels now but I’d agree that nothing they did would be heretical even though it is false.

[@felixtorres2502]

Very good young man and God bless!

[@thundershadow]

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. We must walk in the light of his word.

[@brianschmidt704]

Thank you pastor matthew for taking the time to distinguish between degrees of error. I see many pastors and people who claim to be knowledgeable calling all kinds of things heresy. Heresy is a very strong word and goes beyond.Just a different reading of scripture. Well I think that your church is in error on the understanding of calvinism and the end of time, I do not think it even rises up to the level of being a false teaching. Just a different reading and not a huge deal. I am glad that you were able to talk to that person in private and come to understanding and give grace to them.

[@Terrylb285]

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pale of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown ,and Jill came tumbling after.

[@chrisanok9283]

Sbows men are leaders

[@humbletheology6591]

Any thoughts on the ordination of ex-cons in relation to 1 Tim 3:7? Just as forbidden as women (however knowledgeable and able) or leeway to bend?

[@spartakos3178]

Paul was a murderer. However, he clearly was a new man. If a similar situation would present itself, the example is clear. The problem is demonstrating/proving such a dynamic change.

[@samoberholz9800]

I would suggest, also, that there is a posture of heart which dictates where particular persons fall on this “spectrum of error.” There are some who continue drinking spiritual milk who cannot explain this as sin anywhere else in Scripture outside of explicit passages like 1 Timothy 2-3. There are others, who perform such theological gymnastic, that could probably fall into Denial of the Scriptures, depending on their view of Inspiration. No one, not even teachers, can pass along what they have never received; we live in such an age where the standard is being lowered in a faulty attempt to maintain a sense of status quo. Let us gauge well-roundedly if their living example - word, deed, and faithfulness - reflects Christ, and if we actually desire to emulate such a pastor as they imitate Christ.

[@MrAbsentmindedprof]

If flatly denying the repeated, clear text of Holy Scripture is not heresy, what is the use of the word "heresy"? The Scriptures are plain throughout, in multiple books of both testaments, that only males are to be the instructors of the church. And the doctrine of the role difference between male and female is consistent from creation and the fall through Revelation. It is clearly one of the core doctrines of Scripture. Insofar as the EPC denies this doctrine, does it not condone heresy? And insofar as it does so because it believes in a sort of "egalitarianism" or "fairness" over and against the command of God as expressed in the Pauline epistles and elsewhere, does it not espouse a blasphemous view of His justice?

[@8784-l3b]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.

[@rickyblackburn-n9e]

I really like your videos. Thanks.