Can women be pastors or deacons?

“Can women be pastors or deacons?"
Dr. Stephen Wellum answers in Honest Answers | Episode 72
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[@MarcoCuauhtemocMejia]

It’s a simple question that has a simple answer, no.

[@daviddavenport9350]

Only simple to you and the Taliban, Marco!

[@_NEW3RA_]

THANK YOU!!!! This dude went allllll around the world.

[@flamendless]

Answer is in 8:10 Thanks me later

[@BusyBodyVisa]

People are so scared to speak the true word of God due to political correctness they have to shroud their answers in layers and layers of explanation

[@pearlfigbordu7500]

People still need to know why he concluded at that. So that they have full understanding of it. So they do need to watch the whole thing.

[@Balonishell]

Thanks!

[@charismaadugyamfi760]

thank you

[@bigbuss7419]

We live in a microwave world where we want the answer now instead of seeing the whole view, of what this gentleman is saying here.... I understand he took the long route. But it's best to see the whole picture leading up to the truth. Instead of get getting to the point to quickly. Special when it's the word of God. Thank me later.

[@joecormier6720]

Everybody always wants to explain it in a way that makes them feel good and where they can accept it, instead of just taking the word for what it says.

[@justchilling704]

Joe Cormier You’re being redundant.

[@crusader4god773]

Correct; people like this guy wants to be (authorofconfusion) to many have watered down the gospel to make people comfortable.

[@zeldagamer5651]

Amen Brother

[@jaco7675]

Joe Cormier We are God’s design, His creation. It seems that many of these answers are parsed in a culturally “palatable” fashion, with US as a starting point. Wrong. We’re here and live at Gods good pleasure. Time for us to fall in line with what our Creator intends.

[@SuperBoopeep]

He’s being sensitive to women with sincere questions, yet being firm in the truth. A no wouldn’t answer the why, how, what. He did good.

[@sherrieashbrook1234]

The answer is clearly “NO” in the scriptures!

[@brodocbetty4856]

Scriptures ?? What about the womens emotional feelings telling her to preach.

[@cryptojihadi265]

@@yj3111 he was being sarcastic, ripping on all the women that claim Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit told them to violate God's word and all the cucks telling them, "you go girl!"

[@weldy1795]

The answer is yes.

[@sherrieashbrook4318]

1 Corinthians 11:3 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 1 Timothy 2:11-12

[@moerivera6659]

@@brodocbetty4856 So you’re putting your feelings over scripture?

[@zico739]

Short answer: no.

[@nixthelapin9869]

I’d say yes to the deacon part. Romans 16:1 refers to Phoebe as servant, but that term also means deacon (which he refers to in the video). Deacons aren’t a leadership role, it’s a servant role.

[@atestring1379]

Short answer : YES!!!!!!!!!

[@Closetorouter619]

@@atestring1379 no

[@atenzlonzo3294]

@@atestring1379 no is shorter

[@Les-i7e]

What about bishop Salome. Who's icon was erased by Constantin.did not fit in with so called Christian values. As your leader said go and spread the word Duo duo. Two by two and I don't believe in a male dominant bible

[@joewright9879]

The short answer, according to the Apostle Paul, is no.

[@Vagus32000]

Third John was written by the Apostle John

[@freddhernanadez2230]

The answer is in the WORD of GOD

[@ambivertical]

According to the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul.

[@mv3380]

@@sjs9354 The Apostle Paul clearly named Phoebe as a deacon.

[@julsrique9148]

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church at Cenchreae, that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well. Romans 16:1‭-‬2 ESV

[@high5eric]

when in doubt always follow the word of God.

[@connorfowkes2475]

I agree with this. It gets hard now a days because I think that the word of God is not as plain as we want it to be..... But it will always be the gauge in which we are in pursuit of holiness. We can disagree on issues such as this but cannot loose sight in the word of God and in the mission of Jesus. That is key and can lead us to a different call but will not lead us to a different kingdom. But in anyones life we must make sure our pursuit is not contrary to the holiness of God's word and the mission of Jesus. That may not have made sense but to explain, I'm all for women as preachers but understand that there is a line in which we must be careful. For those who are for more traditional approaches I can understand as well but their is a line that can easily be crossed. We must not taint the message of the gospel but rather let it take root in the lives of others through the story of the bible. Not use it for simply personal freedom contrary to spirit and we can not use it to control or oppress people contrary to the spirit either! I hope this made sense! Thanks for reading and pursuing the word of God!

[@connorfowkes2475]

@Dan Sutton I hear what you are saying. My opening statement is more to the comment of just follow God's word and your response adds to what I was trying to get at. I love having theological discussions but also know the best forum is not online as we ca not be in a clear back in forth but any place that can edify and people can hear/ share ideas I love. Any how what I meant by my comment is I agree with the statement of follow Gods word but the thing is it turns out a lot of times it is not follow Gods word it is follow Gods word the way I follow Gods word and it will be okay. That is why I said it is not as clear as we want it to be. To you you feel really strongly and clearly on subject matters such as this and it is clear you have done your research and read your commentaries ect and that is where following God's word has lead you. However there are others who by following Gods word reading other commentaries, reading other works of Paul and stories of Jesus that have been lead to a different stance than your self on subject matters such as this. So what I was trying to communicate in the terms of Gods word is not as clear as we want it to be is when people make the comments of when in doubt follow God there is usually a preset theological thought behind that. When someone says follow God when in doubt they are saying it with what they believe it means to follow God that is why these comments are not as simple or as clear as we want them to be. That is why I went on to say people can dis agree yet still follow God's word. Again I agree with when in doubt follow God's word and that the scriptures are the foundation but because we have have different traditions, experiences and reasoning we may not all see or agree on every concept of religion.

[@connorfowkes2475]

@Dan Sutton again again we agree on the most important stuff being Gods sovertinty! We also disagree on other things which is okay! Appreciate you sharing!

[@connorfowkes2475]

@Dan Sutton Good thing im living into the two greatest commandments. Scripiture is beautiful and Gods word and I love it. I follow the God of the bible and the trinity so if you follow the trinity then we do follow the same God! If you do not see it that way thats fine we just have different heremunitical and theological perpectives but i hope people can see through these comments and through topics such as the one at hand that God is bigger than ourselves and that there are different viewpoints out there that can be simitaneously rooted in God and different from your own intrepretation!

[@logicfortruth5831]

If you follow Messiah your are following the word made flesh, the word is the law. If you follow Messiah(Yeshua), you are following the law, if he's in your heart, you have the law in your heart. The punishment for sin is death, grace is your pardon from death, though its not a free pass to go on and sin.

[@Promiseland2024]

Totally agree. As a woman, as a child of God; my only goal is to walk in God's truth. Not the fallen world's truth, not the truth of those that bypass scripture because they have a private agenda....but the truth that is proved by scripture! God Bless!

[@erichetherington9314]

EVERYBODY that reads and interprets scripture has a "private agenda." Everybody.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

@@erichetherington9314 No they don't. They have a bias, but that isn't the same thing at all.

[@erichetherington9314]

@@georgechristiansen6785 Of course it's the same thing. A "Bias" is just another term for "an agenda.'

[@georgechristiansen6785]

@@erichetherington9314 No it isn't. A bias is a preference and/or presumptions on brings with them when examining something. An agenda is actively planning and trying to accomplish a particular outcome. Someone with an agenda has a bias, but not everyone with a bias has an agenda.

[@erichetherington9314]

@@georgechristiansen6785 I agree with you, and indeed when I wrote my last post, I figured you might make that distinction. My initial response was with regard to 'purpose 1228"'s comment above about people who "bypass Scripture because they have a private agenda." What makes this tricky is that bias and agenda are so closely linked. I assume she meant anyone who doesn't think the Bible is full ONLY of truth (and not full of folly and myth and violence, etc) has an agenda, but she reveals her own bias: Namely, that people don't agree with her about the Bible are purposely out to destroy it (or something like that). Seems to me an agenda is the plant rooted in bias; if I tend to discount much of the Bible (and based on study and research, I perceive this is a valid approach), that is, I suppose a bias. But it leads naturally to my ACTIONS of protesting the viewpoint of people like her (and other fundamentalist types). Hence, i may now have an agenda, but it is a set of beliefs, reflected upon, and then acted upon (and not a bias of which I am unaware). The word "agenda" seems to connote "nefarious plots" but in fact, my agenda could be described as doing my part to alleviate ignorance and foolish readings of a complex text, like the Bible, as opposed to just swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

[@uslanja]

Isn't the scripturally defined requirement of a Deacon being the husband of one wife? So how can a woman be a Deacon?

[@trovelemmanuel5627]

Exactly. How did he not mention that? Pheobe being mentioned as a servant emphasized function. Paul's mention of deacons was referring to an office. That's reserved for men.

[@lizfair5157]

What is a deacon? WhT is a pastor? What is a minister? What is a preacher? WhT is a priest? WhT is servant of God? What is a missionary?where did these terms com from? Be a follower of Of God which Jesus taught. Love one another. Why ?? Because God use who God wish to spread God ,s work.

[@malikkerr4750]

@@lizfair5157 they came from the Bible in regards to church order and offices in the Church. They are biblical but you are right to advocate for us all to follow Christ and to not get caught up in titles but God does have order especially for corporate worship and he does want leadership in his church. That’s like saying why does scripture talk about apostles etc… they all followed Christ they just served in certain capacities which does have biblical foundations. God bless!!!

[@robertguidry2168]

@@trovelemmanuel5627 what if the emphasis was on marital fidelity and not on gender?

[@trovelemmanuel5627]

@@robertguidry2168 You'll have to explain to me how it maybe marital fidelity and not gender. I'll be interested in hearing what your view is.

[@biggareid]

this is a topic that most modern-day churches seem to ignore. God has a divine order and it is beyond time and culture. Leadership or headship was always been reserved for the males (high priest, Rabbi's, Officers, General's, etc) and there were no rebuttals for centuries until the 20th century. Now we live in a society where you can be and do whatever the heart desires to do while also ignore God's divine order in favor for emotionalism and sensationalism.

[@mhh8072]

Amen bro!

[@erickamoore2491]

No rebuttals? Respectfully, it’s ironic how you talk about history and conveniently leave out the many times women have challenged this stance throughout history. Our generation is surely not unique in that regard. I also seriously don’t understand how people who hold vigorously to this teaching seem to forget Deborah. Esther. Mary. Abigail. Priscilla. Etc.

[@erickamoore2491]

Joan of Arc. Queen Elizabeth. Mary Queen of Scotts. Queen Victoria. Just off the top of my head.

[@prophetic_dreams_and_visions]

@@erickamoore2491 Deborah was a prophet primarily

[@patreese4616]

@@prophetic_dreams_and_visions "And Deborah, a prophetess,the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at that time". Judges 4:4. She judged Israel. God appointed her. Amazing how God can change a narrative if he desires to. She is the only woman in scripture named in that position.

[@setxapart5505]

Huge lack of patience in some comments. Foundation and background are important, and I appreciate the whole context being laid out - instead of a "fast food" explanation, which can be dangerous.

[@TheSaintberzerker]

The Apostle Paul answered it in a single sentence.

[@setxapart5505]

@@TheSaintberzerker There's also a scripture that says "Do not look upon the wine when it is red". Have YOU ever seen "red wine"? Oh, I sure hope not - based on that single sentence!....OR.....is there a little more to that passage of scripture? Actually, Paul had a lengthy elaboration to both the Corinthians and the Ephesians, covering both men and women. Not only that, but there are plenty of folks who use the likes of notable, biblical women like Esther, Ruth, Tabitha, Rhoda, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of Christ herself, to roll over the notion of what the topic at hand is, and using their influence as a chance that maybe women can possible preach or teach......assuming Paul was mistaken by his own feelings. Paul's account alone makes absolutely no sense without knowing what God Himself FIRST has established. Paul wouldn't even speak of such things without first knowing the Genesis account of the order described by God. Paul doesn't make rules or laws on his own. He elaborates on what is already in place. If we go by a "single" sentence, then it would appear as if Paul is overstepping the authority of God. Let's keep in mind the folks...based on my original comment...that only look for fragments and not the whole. The Bible is a whole. Without the old, you don't have the new. Without a foundation, you don't have a building. If someone is absolutely FRESH to the Bible, and that "single sentence" is all they hear or read, then all they have is a rule - spat out by some random man.

[@rbarzola7756]

"fast food" explanation LOL

[@MrKingcarella23]

@@setxapart5505 very well said. I am sometimes tempted to give one word answers without context to certain things but a lot of biblical questions require longer answers and deeper context as to why something is the way it is.

[@elijah4840]

I’m not disagreeing that there is some lack of patience comments, but friend, look in the context of our modern times. With the rise of social justice affecting many churches negatively, people want the word of God proclaimed. I agree, I love context! But he should’ve answered “no” first then gone through the other info. It’s like if you live in a culture that believes in cannibalism, I hope you wouldn’t wait 10 minutes to tell them it’s wrong... I understand short attention spans is an issue nowadays, but trust me, a lot of the comments I’ve seen are people who want men of God to stand up and proudly proclaim the truth. From another perspective, it looks as if he’s laying down soft and cushy mattresses for 10 minutes to hopefully not offend any woman with his answer of “no”. That rubs people the wrong way because the world is pushing for women preachers like never before, the church needs men who can give context, but also men who will stand for the truth, even if the truth will make them look like a sexist in the eyes of the world

[@ManuelAPerez-pp2yd]

Is not about feelings is about obedience to what the scriptures says.

[@ronaldstimphil7039]

Thanks, Dr. Wellum. One of my best seminary professors. Wife Karen was very kind to my wife when she worked as a nurse at the hospital where my wife delivered one of our children. Great man and woman of God. God bless them.

[@donnamills2008]

Amen brother glory to the word of God

[@TheSaintberzerker]

"NO, in the Biblical sense"? What other "sense" is there? Should have been a 20 second answer.

[@weldy1795]

The answer is yes.

[@beberico3970]

Exactly

[@katydid1600]

Jackie, it took me 10 seconds.

[@kayj8480]

Forreal

[@sids5002]

Shouldn't even be a question. If the answer is no, then god is sexist, and therefore an awful being. Luckily, god is a myth.

[@james-bv7bm]

Paul also says that anyone who is divorced can not be a leader in the church, and anyone who has a sin they don't repent from should be kicked out of the church. It's interesting the rules people choose to follow and not follow.

[@Terminus_El_Camino]

That's not *quite* what he says, but I would agree that some (many?) churches are far too permissive in how they handle divorce and church discipline.

[@PrettiMiki]

I was just thinking this. It's funny how he speaks of understanding in the "context of today," and explains how we view these titles in the modern day, but then takes the scripture literally.

[@rauldhulecalvinist48]

I speak on can women became pastor ?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2epZ2xseslrmZY

[@PrettiMiki]

Steven Irizarry lol. Sounds like you’re upset that I don’t agree that Timothy’s opinion in 1 Timothy 2:12 holds more weight than the evidence and legacy of Christ’s ministry of loving and encouraging women to spread the gospel as seen in Matthew 28:5-10, John 4 or even Romans 16. Or maybe it’s the fact that you have no authority to prevent women like me from preaching that’s got you so upset....

[@PrettiMiki]

Steven Irizarry Steven Irizarry Unlike you, I didn’t come to a KZbin page to argue. You wrote that entire essay in response to a sentence from me- rebuking me and calling me lukewarm, as if you’ve ever met me. Meanwhile the truth is that I came to this video to continue running from my call, only to find peace with it. I would like to thank you, as well, for your adamant condemnation continues to solidify the legitimacy of the female voice and perspective in today’s church. Also, you seem a bit confused. Since I do read and study my Bible, I would suggest scripture to refer to, but it’s clear that your conservatism will prevent you from seeing an alternative perspective and studying the text in the context in which it was written for the deepest meaning and understanding. So a few thoughts, for this last post of mine on this thread. 1. Please define what you’re actually rebuking. You’re mad about women preaching, but still say that it is not exercising spiritual authority. Pick a position. You seem to just be vindictive against women. 2. The ‘many’ in the verse you paraphrased includes men too. Be concerned about the stick in your eye and not the speck you think you’ve discerned in mine. 3. You cannot bully or guilt people into repentance. Your tactics are directly against Jesus’ example of love. Your judgment is gross and you are an example of why the church is dying today. You stand on a platform of self made righteousness. Sad to see. I reject everything you’ve said here, for many reasons, but primarily because you’ve given me examples of why you’re correct using only church doctrine and protocols. Christianity was illegal until almost 300 years after Christ’s resurrection. I wonder how many women were actually suppressed in that time, not just the ones we know of, where we were considered nothing more than walking wombs. Considering I’m actually in seminary, your pieced together argument is laughable because of its disjointed nature; lacking facts you choose to ignore because they don’t fit what you’ve been taught is truth. I would share the writings of women who defended the church and were killed for speaking out, in its formation, such as Perpetua and Felicitas and Mary Magdalene, but you would simply write them off, because just as their voices were ignored and suppressed in ancient times, you and your ilk tend to do the same. Mary was a trusted disciple who even comforted Peter and Andrew, at their request, in the early days after Christ was crucified. There’s a reason the church split after the first 8 ecumenical councils. The Eastern churches believed that as the Western churches sought to ‘define’ the faith further, it simply resulted in persecution, ie the Catholic Church of old, trickling down into the splitting of denominations we have today. Elders, bishops, etc came from this- which is irrelevant to to what I’m discussing. These titles are a result of power hungry men, seeking to justify their contempt thru twisting God’s word. You speak of the Greek word meaning servant. Ironic- because we are ALL servants. Your argument reminds me of Jesus’ words in Matthew 18. I still find it hilarious that men choose to focus on hierarchy to satisfy their egos. Finally, I pose the same questions you posed to me- do you actually read your Bible, or are you simply a record player for what your leadership has taught you? You clearly take into account that only men made decisions in forming the Bible, our beliefs and the perspectives you hold dear. So how then, can you ignore the logic that women, created as help mates, have a valid position in helping men in all- living life and understanding our spirituality? I have no quarrel with the argument of man being in leadership of women- but only in the context of marriage. Jesus walked with women from the beginning of his ministry- Mary, Joanna and Susanna. He clearly valued them and their perspective enough to teach them and learn from them. How do you justify ignoring women in today’s context? Or are you so biased that you approach the scriptures to justify your perspective, and do not allow the Word to read and change you? I chose to attend seminary at the urging of the Holy Spirit, confirmed by my Baptist Pastor, Apostolic Uncle, who is a Pastor and I attend a church who reformed their Baptist beliefs that women cannot preach, after decades of supporting this argument. I pray that you too, can un-harden your heart and release the anger you’re clinging to and exchange it for truth. Hopefully that’s not too sugar coated for you and you can refrain from rebuking strangers with misspelled colloquiums and incorrect doctrine on KZbin.

[@marvinthemartian6788]

I’ll be the first to admit there are standards in the Bible that I wish weren’t there. They force me to conform to His will, His plan. But, ultimately it was my plan that led me astray. There is a way that seems right to a man, but it’s end is the way of death- Proverbs 14:12

[@8784-l3b]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described. God ruled Israel through the Judges. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

[@livinlovinleo9496]

I knew the answer was no because I read scripture for myself however I appreciate the time he takes in explaining. Christians must get to a place of “speak the truth in love”. Because sometimes new believers need the extra care the extra time the patience and explanation. Which sidebar is a fruit of the spirit - patience. The answer is still the same but the way we explain the scripture to someone just might set them free. Just as it says! ✝️🔥🙌🏾

[@sofiahartleymusic]

Do you use a veil to cover your head when you go to church? Certain scriptures were written specifically for that time being and people’s present situations. If I were to follow every single practice for woman given by these two disciples, we would to start wearing veils, and sit on one side of the church separate from men. Read 1 Corinthians 11. The Jesus I read on the Bible and have a relationship with tells me I am the sanctuary, I am made to declare his praises and shine his glory, with my life, testimony, with preaching and caring for/to others. So many woman are gifted with communication and leadership skills, God gifted them for a reason. So many people are loosing their lives without a Savior, the point is, the gospel needs to be preached, whether it’s from the mouth of woman or a man. We are to preach and LEAD people to Christ wherever we are, the building called church is just a place we go to encourage and be encouraged.

[@livinlovinleo9496]

Sofia Hartley the word is clear on this matter. Either we submit to it or not. The Bible specifically says Gods word does NOT change. Not for anyone at anytime and place. Culture doesn’t change it. Not one single place in scripture does a women get called to be a pastor or a preacher or a elder of the church. YET it does say we can TEACH younger women the ways of leading a Godly life and the word of God. We can lead Bible studies with women and children. Men are to lead the entire body at church. You must ask yourself why are you not accepting what God has said in His word. Christ is the Head Husbands submit to him wives submit to husbands. That is Godly order. We either submit to Gods Plan and order for our lives our not. You cannot take scripture out of context. Using your argument that some verse were For back then is completely wrong. Because ALL verses were for back then and that would mean NONE of them apply to us. Please think who tells us which verse we get to pick and choose that remain? That doesn’t make since. And how then do we agree on those scriptures? That would confuse the body and God is NOT a author of confusion. All Of Gods word applies yesterday today and forever. It does not change. Not even if we don’t agree or can’t understand it. Pray to the Holy Spirit that you align your life FULLY with Gods word. Ask Him to reveal the truth to you. Not you reveal the truth to it.

[@sofiahartleymusic]

I understand submission and that is what I practice at home, being submissive to your husband, has nothing to do with being forbidden by God to speak, preach, or lead. Woman can be submissive, and yet practice their gifts and talents given by their Father. The word of God never changes and never will, and that’s why I believe God has called ALL of us to go and make disciples, not just men. Just wanted to give a different perspective - we are the sanctuary, if we are the sanctuary, than we must go, we must preach, we must lead people to the Lord. But when I come home, I feel blessed to have a husband who is my head, and Christ who is the head of all. God bless you, and I also hope you’ll find a VOICE in the Kingdom of God.

[@livinlovinleo9496]

Sofia Hartley I am a studied educated teacher of the word of God. I love the word. I love studying it and aligning my life to mirror it. I have a question you must ask yourself. Why submit to your husband then? The same apostle that wrote about submission wrote about women having g authority over a men in church. Why are you picking which applies to you and which doesn’t. Honestly? Please think about that. Submission is a historical concept as well. Men leading is a part of patriarchal historical concept as well. Yet now our society is trying to move away from that. 1 Tim 2:12 is clear. Men are the pastors. They are the teachers of the word during church service. Why is that not ok with you? If you read every place a person is called to lead the entire flock men are called up. Why would the creator of Women leave us out and not call us up IF he willed it so. Also yes Matthew 28 applies to ALL of Gods children. We are called to spread the gospel to all people and all nations. Everyone can do that without being a pastor. As I mentioned I do that all the time weekly at a bible study. Verse by verse understanding the full truth with women. I’m blessed and loved doing it. And I blessed to teach my children about their faith. Teach them how to study the word and understand it correctly. But here we are talking specifically about Church service. The pastor of the church. That’s a mans role. Just like it’s a women role to carry the child and birth him or her. You don’t see men crying out to God I want to make a baby! So final thought I’ll leave with you. Again you are picking which scriptures apply to you and which don’t. That’s very dangerous my Christian Sister. It opens the door for you to ignore other scriptures. Please please remember what 2 Tim 3 16-17 says. It reads that ALL scripture is God inspired. ALL each and every word. And as we mentioned before 1 Peter 1:25 says The Word of The Lord REMAINS Forever. So either you believe the Lord and what He says or you don’t. Trust me I know it’s hard. My husband is a preacher. And if ever the Lord calls him to lead a church my flesh wants to preach to. Because I too am gifted in communication. YET I lay down my flesh and align it with the word. I will use my gifts where God has ordained them to be used. Leading my children and teaching WOMEN the word of God. Both are my calling and my hearts joy! Please pray in it. And Listen to preachers who really TEACH the scriptures because it’s the truth that will set you free! you and I aren’t the only ones who see this differently. One day the people of God will stop looking like the society around us and start being images of our Savior Jesus! God Bless! 😘✝️🙌🏾

[@sofiahartleymusic]

LivinLovinLeo disagree! Anyways, God bless you and your husband, and you do for the Lord!

[@Razaiel]

“I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.” Romans 16:1-2

[@andrewk798]

She may or may not have had the official title. The word can be translated 'servant' also. This argument does not hold up against the qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus.

[@Razaiel]

@@andrewk798 If that may have been mistranslated, I wonder what else has been mistranslated...

[@christianmotley262]

@@andrewk798 so, you were there, right?

[@andrewk798]

@@christianmotley262 such an unchristian and ignorant reply. Maybe we should abandon the whole Bible because none of us were there? Abandon creation? I wasn’t there. Abandon Jesus? I wasn’t there. Just think about your comment

[@christianmotley262]

@@andrewk798 I don't happen to be a Christian pal and to call me ignorant out of hand, I guess that's how Christ -like you must be. You seem to be the ignorant one preferring how something is translated according to your bias,

[@shenanigansofmannanan]

This is even more relevant today...than it was when it was posted.... Thank you Brother.

[@BusyBodyVisa]

People always want what they can't have. As a man I can never enjoy nursing a child, God has reserved that role for women, just as being a pastor of a church is reserved for a man. The problem I see is not enough men are stepping up to be pastors so there's a void of good leadership in many churches nowadays.

[@8784-l3b]

Deborah was a Judge over Israel. A Judge was, in part, a spiritual leader.

[@ronaldevers5992]

"Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?" Answer: There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation. The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them. There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14. Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity. Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15). God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.

[@rayflo2592]

Ronald Evers you could have just said “NO”

[@shaec-ham5184]

@Ronald Evers as a woman I couldn't have stated it any better than you. I'm in total agreement with. Until the Holy Spirit reveals to me something else, I'm in total agreement. I was just telling a friend of mine this same thing. We women can be an Evangelist, Prophetess, and a teacher. To hold the Apostleship or Pastoral offices. . . NO! There is a divine order to all things. Can we have an apostolic anointing? Yes! Other than that I just don't think we should pastor because it's not biblical. Now God can call whom He wants. The times we're living in the priesthood is profaned, but not all.

[@ezassegai4793]

Simple answer is No

[@barryblackwood6050]

Thanks for your efforts in My understanding on this is that the logic seems adequate unless you know & take in to consideration... A. More of the whole council of scripture in context. B. How Pharisees as teachers using the Hebrew traditional ways to argue scripture to come to an Halchic decision of interpretation of scripture. Paul was applying these & if ignored or not understood; interpretation of Paul's intended meaning is mistaken as per 2 Peter 3:17 C. The order sequence of the Greek in some areas has been somewhat manipulated to arrive @ the English translation to suggest differences not actually in the underlying text,....and @ times opposite to what has been given. D. At times the definition of a Greek word is utilised from a range of accurate meanings to only suggest a doctrinal preference in the reading stance. These can been shown to cause disharmony when the whole body of scripture is taken into account. Like women can't speak in an assembly but women are also said to be involved in prayer and prophecy which seems to require verbal audible communication. E. Letters generally are written with an understanding of the recipient's cultural reality, so every issue is not necessarily written out like a treatise for us in the 21century. The letter is personal & there are common comprehensions of the issues involved without writing in great depth when addressing them. Paul's letters are often responses to needs of the community. If we need to go outside scripture when necessary to rebuild accurate cultural context to grasp a hold of what is going on, we should carefully set about to do it. It may be absolutely necessary to maintain any chance of understanding what the letter actually means. The aim being to arrive @ sound Bible exegesis. 1. Paul himself would not have qualified as a teacher being without a wife as he clearly states, in desiring those in faith to stay like him..single although they don't sin if they do marry. 2. It is traditional for the time to refer to scripture, which was only the OT as Paul wrote these letters with the readers expected to either know or ask for the greater context of the short reference given. In regards to the reference to Adam & Eve it is the argument to squash the incorrect disruptive pagan eons story of Creation being circulated by gentiles women coming into faith in this assembly but unaware of how God the Father created. The subject of the Creation Story is in view in & has nothing to do with which sex is fit to teach and if it is applied as such neither men nor women would be fit as one was deceived & the other willingly ate. The subject is about teaching God's Word with accuracy & stopping discord in an assembly & in the Greek, the women doing this are called to learn in quietness peaceably just as much as it could be translated silence. The following are links to scholarly research presented independently of denominations. Some of the church history documentation referenced is certainly faith changing in a great way. I recommend looking @ the Early Church History Home Page embedded video series 5 short segments of approx 15 minutes each. houseofdavidfellowship.com houseofdavidfellowship.com/downloads/1Sep129g9d7/ houseofdavidfellowship.com/downloads/15Sep12g987h/ I recommend looking @ the KZbin series of ACTS & then ROMANS or listening to it MP3 as well and perhaps you may start to see more of God's Will on the road to Emmaus too! . It will release any person from the inconsistency & 'unsolvable' , that comes about from not reading an Hebraic ANE document in context of Hebraic thought of the 1st Century. The many cultural influences of the time period are also more revealed now that digitisation of ancient Greek documents & translation of same as well as full translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls bringing new essential information to our faith in Christ are available to us. Praise God. These can be found on KZbin kzbin.info/aero/PLCWtXJuFwsXYNspdFs6l2lMpvcb0NbWZ1 The website focused on OT www.torahclass.com/teacher/author/tom-bradford/old-testament-studies Be blessed Kind regards in Christ FJ

[@barryblackwood6050]

Hello Ronald just wondering if you have looked at my earlier reply. Not sure if you have. God's word can proclaims a lot of doctrine in translation. The Greek in 1 Tim can very adequately & accurately be rendered as quietly peacefully as in good learning behaviour in the classroom. You correctly state no educational status is required, so the argument about women not being educated & therefor not likely to be useful in teaching is fallacious in fact. Verbal education was the norm as the parchments or papyrus were so expensive that many only had access to them verbally anyway. Through out the Bible it is hearing and doing the Word of God that is the instruction and yes some where in a better position to do that as being able in reading and writing but your argument reduces the influence the heard Word of God has on the heart inspired by the Spirit of God. The restriction for women having authority to teach over men was naturally restricted in this instance as the assembly was in in disarray due to arguments between those understanding Truth from the scriptures because they had heard and believed the Truth and those in this assembly; specific women who were proclaiming the Greek belief of eons as the creation story. This was not a letter that was notated to be circulated to all assemblies either so generalising may be a mindset you have brought to the document because of earlier training. Paul specifically gives the reference to the Adam and Eve story of the true Creation by the Father to not just show the intense ignorance of these women of scripture. You may not be aware but Paul being a Pharisee trained under Gamaliel used the classic argument style of the religious Jew to bring forth a halachic decision. Typically in this format the Rabbi (Paul ) puts forth his reasoning by referencing a short portion of scripture re: Adam and Eve and would have expected his listeners to either know the whole referenced story ( not just a verse or two ) to keep contextual alignment and if they did not know...the expectation was to find it out so they would understand the Rabbi (Paul's) halachic ruling decision. Paul as a disciple originally of Gamaliel had to memorise the whole Hebrew Bible so that is another reason Yeshua chose him to go and proclaim the Gospel to the Gentiles. He didn't have to carry a whole Torah role everywhere he was one ! Be blessed Brother in finding and doing truth, Kind regards in Christ FJ

[@josharendse4575]

No need to even listen to this video, he is just trying to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt, if you really want to know what God’s word says n not mans interpretation, then read 1 Timothy 2:11 through the end of the chapter, then read Hebrews 13:8, and if u say that Gods word has to change with what society wants, then that’s between you and God, but if you read his word, you’ll find his answer

[@rlane5558]

josh arendse Amen

[@mmttomb3]

Amen!

[@c.l.e.a.n.nation]

Man lol, I started skipping through the video like, is this click bait?

[@sjs9354]

giuseppe mendoza Paul said that for compromisers. They always use that excuse to bypass the Word of God. Paul was the prophet to the gentile church. God lead His prophets, told them what to say and even spoke through them in prophecy. Paul’s Words are in my Bible just like Moses Words. My whole Bible is the Word of God.

[@looking4god578]

I agree brother.....listening to him you come out more confused with his back and forth. How can he teach unless he is sent ( by God). He needs the Holy Spirit in order to make it plain.

[@Vazkez31]

1 Corinthians 14 : 33-40 1 Timothy 2 : 11,10 If this was written about any other commandment, and labeled as such, there wouldn't be any issue. When Paul addresses women not taking authority in 2Timothy, he takes us back to Genesis. He therefore isn't just saying something about women from that time, but from all time. He uses the woman's taking of leadership in the garden as an origin and example for the man to stand up and righteously do what he was MADE to do. Different roles at home and in church, but equal in Christ. God bless you all.

[@1Jesusismyworld]

Vazkez31 Amen, Amen, Amen!❤️🙏🏾😇

[@arlenejulius9247]

Very well put.

[@wdd2234]

Nicely put👍

[@brotherreggiesmithofbredov2066]

Preach!!!!! 🗣🗣🗣

[@TheJs4567]

Romans 16:1-4, I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacons of the church in Cenchreae. 2 I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me. 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4 They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.

[@jaysahara3884]

1 Corinthians 14, 33-40 . Let your women keep silence in the church...

[@jax43]

Let men do it all...women are to stay home cook clean and have babies and wait on a man hand and foot. Like slaves. Since men seem to think women are so worthless. I will not speak in church, testify or witness to others. Let the men do it all....See how long the church stands. Technically there are more women that attend church than men. So to all women: DON'T DO ANYTHING....BE SILENT AND SAY, NO, WHEN TOLD TO GO OUT AND WITNESS, SAY NO, WHEN ASKED TO TESTIFY, SAY NO, TO TEACHING SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASS. SAY NO, TO TEACHING YOUR KIDS...I BET THE MEN WON'T LAST 6 MONTHS. lol WOMEN JUST SAY NO...!!!!

[@simeondutoit6545]

What's with all the people in the comments demanding a quick answer? As if this topic has not caused a lot of hurt and confusion. It demands careful examination. If you do not allow the space needed to carefully discuss the truth and what the Scripture means, then you are not acting in love. This answer seems as sure and comprehensive a one as you are liable to get in the space of a ten minute video, and it is delivered with quite a bit of awareness of why this question is important. Pay attention to the needs of love rather than getting into such insensitive huffs.

[@pgtips4240]

@Fubzilla I agree, it's not a question of love, it's a question of objective biblical truth. The bible very simply buy explicitly says NO. There is not even much point of a video because this is simple biblical truth. If someone is hurt by this it's because they are out of touch with Gods truth. If someone is led by the spirit they do not get hurt by Gods precepts they humbly obey, they surrender to Gods will.

[@pgtips4240]

@X.X. X.X. Black is black, white is white, not because I said it but because it is objectively true. Invariably, people who have made up their minds to be disobedient with start to argue that black is grey and white is light grey. Its crystal clear in the bible and in practice that women are not to preach. The devil quotes and interprets scripture too, but the Holy Spirit will lead a humble believer into all truth. You know it's the truth because the word says it and you will also have the inner witness of the Holy Spirit. Also, if you have true love for God you will not do things contrary to His will. Love rejoices not in iniquity. Love rejoices in truth.

[@sjs9354]

Simeon du Toit Right, It shouldn’t take a 10 minute video. The Bible couldn’t be more clear. The answer is NO. How long did that take? God is love. God is also the judge of those who do not keep His Word. The Bible says that Jesus loved the rich young ruler. But the next time we read of the man, he was lifting up his eyes in hell. To take away or add one Word is to have your name removed from the book. God don’t compromise because of silly ideological ideas. Themessage.com Return email notifications are not available at this time.

[@deewight3991]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sledge1960]

Buddy, if you're saying that we lay aside ordained doctrine 1 Tim. 2:12, in the interest of some twisted worldly concept of 'love', then you have a real problem. Get over your feelings, if you're led by your feelings you're not being led by the Holy Spirit.

[@ldebrobander]

Not according to God's Word. Remember: Eve was deceived and Adam was not. I am a woman, and this has absolutely nothing to do with equal rights. It has to do with God's order in the church. I think the body of Christ is failing to remember that Christ is the head of the church and we as members comprise the body. Man has no right to usurp authority over Christ. But it's happening all the time, everywhere in the churches. And that is in direct disobedience to Christ himself. He is the head and Savior of the body. but if we go back to the Book of Genesis, let's not forget the curse that God spoke over women. It is a womans in nature, because of the Fall, to want to dominate and usurp authority over men. It's a control issue. And when women take leadership positions in the church they are in direct violation of Christ's teachings. I hope somebody gets this. Blessings 💕

[@barryblackwood6050]

Hi Lois this is a little of subject but I thought you may find it ouf interest. In the Hebrew the woman was made as the Ezer Kenidgo which is like the one who helps him by opposing him with strength to keep him on God's Path. Eve Hebrew name Chava failed in the role by choosing to listen to another gospel from Satan and disobeying a food command & losing her holiness. In Christ the image of men and women is renewed and that is why when we are faithful to Christ both male and female in marriage become one again. The image when it is degraded is a woman lording it over a man and belittling & misguiding but in the true image, deep mutual respect between husband and wife allow for the wisdom that God imparts to the woman by the Holy Spirit (not satan this time) for her husband's benefit to be forthcoming and received in a mutual way. This is true submission and love to make an actual one flesh & spirit before God. Blessings FJ

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

Barry Blackwood you just said a bunch of words that meant nothing. Provide scripture or don’t say anything about the subject. Gods word is the only truth, man is deceived always only his word can sharpen is

[@edbenjamin5136]

Yet Adam sinned knowingly, and that somehow qualifies men to shepherd? Actually, the bible indicates that Eve was the lesser transgressor because she was deceived, whereas Adam received the direct command from God and chose to rebel. And thus, her eyes were not open till he ate, and through him sin and death reigned. Given that Paul fears the men and women of the church will be deceived - there is no indication women are more prone to deception than men. Indeed, men are often the false teachers. The ethic is that all should received instruction in quietude, sober-minded, and without anger or division so that knowledge of God replaces old wives tales and pagan ways.

[@Chism_Music]

1 Timothy 2:12 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

[@hyacinthmcdonald8595]

@daniel what do you do behind the curtain , stop been a hypercrite and liar , too much going on male pastor , what did Jesus says the woman of samaritan ?? did she keep quite , dont forget Mary stripture experience with Jesus taken out ??? why men like you against woman ??? am sure Jesus would have the finally say to Paul , the Paul hear one word , that paul cannot agurement against Jesus words!!

[@Chism_Music]

@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 You need learn your place within the church as a woman. If you are a follower of His Word, follow all of the Word of God and not just the parts you want.

[@hyacinthmcdonald8595]

@@Chism_Music are you saying that Jesus should told the woman include the woman at the well and mary the 1st see Jesus alive to keep her mouth shut ? and the woman who did adultery should be stone to death , the men say she should be stone to death , same goest to you Daniel you would say the same things, that why men hate woman that good keep up

[@Chism_Music]

@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 Even the woman at the well Submitted unto Jesus giving him water for drink when he asked of her. The woman sharing of her experience with Jesus has nothing to do with teaching the Word of God.

[@Chism_Music]

@@hyacinthmcdonald8595 You are mistaking the sharing of experience with teaching the Word of God. A woman can share her testimony or her eye witness account, but to teach the Word of God is a no. For Eve was deceived by the serpent.

[@glennmacdonald1627]

God makes it clear "I am not an author of confusion" ... "Put your Trust in God and not in man" ... "Take heed that no man deceive you."

[@johnjohnson1657]

#1 Rebuttal: "That was for that culture of the time." #1 Fact rebuttal and invite: Show me one single verse that states or eludes to "when the culture changes the Word changes." Go ahead, I'll wait.

[@normanpelley]

While the ministry of women is essential to the church’s proper working and health, only men are given the responsibility to serve as pastors and elders. Although Scripture is quite clear on this point, there are many individuals, churches, and denominations that choose to disobey the Lord’s will in this regard and allow women to function in pastoral and teaching roles. But God’s church will be blessed and will honor Him only as it follows the plan He has revealed in the Bible. The clearest biblical teaching on this issue is found in 1 Timothy 2:12: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” This command comes in a section of 1 Timothy which teaches about the functioning of a local church. Some people believe when the apostle Paul wrote that a woman should not “teach or exercise authority over a man,” he was conforming to a unique situation in the city of Ephesus or to the cultural value system of the time, but that is not the case. Notice in the next verse Paul refers back to God’s original design for man and woman: “For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve” (1 Timothy 2:13). This proves God wants His created design of male leadership and female submission in the family to extend into the functioning of the church. On certain issues, the concerns and goals of the modern feminist agenda are in agreement with God’s standards. For instance, they agree women should not be discriminated against in the workplace but should be afforded equal opportunities with men. They also rightfully condemn violence against women. At the same time, however, the modern feminist movement frequently contradicts Scripture regarding the roles of women. For instance, some of the key goals of feminism are to protect a woman’s right to abort her baby, to affirm lesbianism, and to promote the idea that there is no distinction between men and women’s leadership roles in the family and the church. These contradictions with God’s Word are not incidental but evidence a fundamental error in feminist philosophy which can be traced back to the original fall of mankind into sin. The events recorded in Genesis 3 explain how the feminists’ opposition to God’s plan began. When God created Adam and Eve, He designed a productive and perfect balance between the nurturing leadership of a man and the supportive following of a woman in marriage. After God created Adam, He said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18). A few verses later we read how God created Eve: “So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.’ For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:21-24). When Adam and Eve sinned, God’s perfect plan was perverted by the depravity in the hearts of men and women. Adam sinned by stepping out from under God’s authority when he ate the divinely forbidden fruit, and Eve chose to reject the authority of both Adam and the Lord. One of the consequences of their sin was the corruption of the complementary relationship between man and woman. Genesis 3:16 records what the Lord told Eve: “Yet your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” The desire Eve would have toward Adam is not a good kind of desire but a desire to conquer or overcome. You can see this in Genesis 4:7 where the same word describes what sin would do to Cain: “Sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it” [emphasis added]. From that time on, one of the expressions of sin in women would be the tendency to break out of God’s intended supporting and following role. At the same time, men’s sinful tendency would be to neglect their responsibility to love and lead their wives, dominating them instead. God’s perfect plan can be implemented and enjoyed in marriages and churches only when sinners receive new hearts of humility and obedience. It is only when men and women submit to God’s way that they will experience the greatest blessing. The differing roles of men and women in marriage and the church should not lead us to believe there is any kind of inequality personally or spiritually between the genders. In the Word of God the principles of gender equality and women’s submission exist side by side. Genesis 1:26-27 reads, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’ God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Men and women are created equally with a likeness to God. They share dominion over all creation and are both commanded to rule over it. The second chapter of Genesis contains a more detailed recounting of the creation of Adam and Eve in which we see the divinely ordained functional ordering of leadership and submission between man and woman. Adam was created first (2:7), and Eve was created later in order to be a complement and helper to him (2:20-23). It is this creation order Paul mentions to support God’s intention for male leadership in the church (1 Timothy 2:13). This is the reason why the roles of pastors and elders are limited to men in the church.

[@johnjohnson1657]

@@normanpelley I see you deleted the "get a clue" portion...I assume after you realized I wasn't against your position, actually for it...hence, me asking anyone to provide one single verse that says when the culture changes the Word changes...you see Norman, I assume, they can't. Which means they can't rely on the ignorant reasoning that "that was for that time back then, we're different now, women can preach...bla bla bla..." You see Norman, I side 100% with the short book of a response you gave. Sometimes we pause before we reply...saves face know what I mean...

[@coolwater55]

Are you saying cultural edicts in the bible are not to be followed? Or are you implying cultural edicts of bronze and axial age apply to today? The "word" has many contradictions and dichotomies within what the pearl of Jesus message and sacrifice. Which "words" do you follow to the letter in the bible?

[@kccox8516]

John Johnson Mary told the disciples, "He has Risen." The most important message of all Jesus gave to a woman. They've might of been three woman, regardless, the words our faith hangs on Jesus gave to Mary. Then, the disciples didn't believe what she, or they said either. Thanks be to God.💞

[@krawllins]

The 10 commandments change because the culture changes.

[@geness9676]

Answer: NOooooooO!

[@crdesignz9941]

@Kevin Vang Wrong. 1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. The answer is NO!

[@amyprays2564]

Blesses be the Lord in Heaven. Though the comments are full of arguments on what to do, what not to do. He will yet be praised and glorified forever more.

[@claytonjoseph7145]

Very honest and enlightening, I don’t think he could have been more honest to himself and God. I don’t agree with everything he said ,but truth be told he was honest ,careful, comprehensive and perhaps most importantly,he did not use the scripture for his doctrinal position .open minded and candid

[@sparrowchurch4445]

What part of his teaching do you not agree with? What do you mean he did NOT use scripture for his doctrinal position. Of course he did.

[@403patriot3]

My pastor will be on a sabbatical ‘till mid-August...he has a ‘woman pastor’ filling in for now, i think i’ll be attending another church until he returns

[@berthaoliver5752]

If you think that way you don't trust your pastor, and that is so sad

[@ms.blessed2784]

Your Paster may not be called to allow a Women to lead his service in his absence.

[@jinkazama2555]

kick rocks@@berthaoliver5752

[@TheRealBoyscout]

God really has called me to your videos the amount of revaluation he is giving me I can't even sum up words how thankful I am I pray that I grow more in Christ not for gain but to make Jesus more please someone pray for me that I stop smoking to be more obedient

[@katydid1600]

Dillon MONTANA Were you able to stop smoking?

[@uncletejugmailcom]

Amen.

[@kong.615]

No! People now a days afraid to hurt someone feeling..

[@cc-cy]

kongsorninaxy...the apostles only responding and operating to patriarchal culture and context. I would gladly sit under and learn from sincere females preachers.!

[@sharonjohn316]

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, GOD'S WORD IS VERY CLEAR. THANK YOU.

[@Lotaya2009]

@John 3:19 most correct on that indeed

[@alassmann]

@John 3:19I perceive you a Pharisee, Paul was writing Timothy about a cultural issue the Greeks worshiped women as gods they were leaders, Paul was trying to change a culture, plus this was 2,000 years ago, your religious ignorance is typical

[@pnutbteronbwlz9799]

@@alassmann your right in, and there’s much more than just your point here.

[@ddover49]

@@alassmann You are correct. He's ignorant of the historical cultural context that Paul was addressing, where in the mystery cults women held positions of authority that men were not allowed, and some women in Ephesus were attempting to bring that system into the church. And they had the cult of Eve which Paul strikes down in saying Eve was deceived, not the man, and Adam was first, not Eve, which is the opposite of what the mystery cults taught.

[@perspectivesglobales3967]

And the answer is YES, woman can be pastors, deacons, or whatever needs to be in the church. Marie was even the mother of the Son of God, no man could have been that....😉 So by faith and using our brain we accepted the Bible is inspired by God. Let's continue like the, faith + brain, continue to read and understand it. In the whole Bible there isn't a clear condamnation if slavery. But we add texts and by faith + brain, we understand slavery is wrong....let's continue like that to everything we read. We are all one in Christ, Gal 3:28, and 1 Cor 12. Jesus said that who wants to be important in heaven needs to serve the most people possible.....woman and man can serve all, so they will be important......don't let people manipulate you because of their desire of power, control or manipulate.... Faith + brain, and serve Jesus.

[@trayonivy9539]

Women cannot pastor over men or have authority over a man thats scripture Jesus being born of a Virgin is something different friend we got to stick with the word the Bible is not going to change for nobody 💯!!

[@denislavvladimirov4977]

that's exactly right!!! praise the Lord!!! what i heard was nowhere left or right from the truth... thank you brother for making this publicly. may the good Lord help us all take up our crosses and step into our callings in the power of true love!

[@ronaldking94]

How can a WOMEN be a DEACON if as it says in 1 Timothy 3:12 it says LET THE DEACON BE THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?

[@brotherreggiesmithofbredov2066]

@@ronaldking94 preach!!!! 🗣🗣🗣 Romans 3:4 KJV. Let God be true, but every man a liar!! These jelly back spineless preachers/teachers, who are not worthy to be called that, many have compromised Christ’s doctrine, and preaching doctrines of demons to please these stiffed necked people who many left God’s body. Paul said it clear as day, if I’m a pleaser to man, i cannot be a bondservant of 👑Jesus Christ!!! Amen to what you pointed out in love my dear beloved brethren, it’s so sad, and that’s why Hell 🔥 it’s filled with so many lukewarm Christians and many shall follow if they do not repent, turned back, and obey the laws and commandments of that Holy Consuming 🔥 God who will judge with no emotions period!!! Hebrews 10:31 KJV. For it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!!!! 🥺🥺🥺

[@TheJs4567]

@@ronaldking94 Romans 16:1-4 16 commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4 They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.

[@TheJs4567]

@@ronaldking94 GALATIANS 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@when_time_runs_out1462]

@@TheJs4567 Most translations including KJV says 'servant" while some others say "deacon or deaconess" Servant is one who serves or a devoted and helpful follower or supporter which can be male or female. Deacon derives from the Greek word diakonos which has 4 basic meanings "servant", "waiting-man", "minister" or "messenger". Deaconess derives from the Greek word Diakonissa which is a title of honor that is used to refer to a deacon's wife. Since the text in Romans 16:1-4 doesn't state that Phoebe was married than she's not a Deaconess. Also since she is not a man, according to 1 Tim 3:12 she cannot be a Deacon. So the KJV of "servant" is more accurate.

[@horse3357]

Amen Thanks for the insight It truly helped me pinpoint a few things I needed clarification towards

[@cathysplayliststanley9831]

What does 2 Tim 2 verse 12 reads what it reads is what GOD said not his opinion on what GOD she be saying g and meaning I can stake my life on this about you believe christ is white and his birthday Dec 25 something that not even written, whoa to the inhabitants of the earth Rev 12

[@kathleenmoore9534]

@@cathysplayliststanley9831 I'm being really, really serious. Are you drinking?

[@utubemedward1]

Bible is clear; Apostles; Pastors; Elders; Bishops are reserved for men.

[@eagledescending5766]

The Scriptures are very clear for a deacon's stature and capacity in 1Timothy. A deacon is to be the husband of one wife--period! It's not really fair for the video presenter to breakdown the Scriptures to degrees of authoritative holding between the male & female genders. I mean, does he really think the Saint Apostle Paul would have even cared about that?! But that's what happens when you combine the Scriptures with modern-day values and educated guesses. It's either you know the Scriptures or you don't. "Nuff said!!!

[@pgtips4240]

1Ti 2:11 - 1Ti 2:14 (CWSB) 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

[@alyas8357]

X.X. X.X. Acts 21:8-24 Who did God send to prophecy to Paul, while he was staying at Philip's house? The answer is right there, plain as day.

[@emmacapella]

@@alyas8357, was this within a church context or a one on one basis?

[@emmacapella]

@@alyas8357, it is quite obvious from the passage that it was not within the church context that the women corrected or taught the men. Let's just be guided to follow the Bible based on context and not always generalize.

[@alyas8357]

Emmanuel Umoren Your right.

[@johnsierra2001]

I am Russian Orthodox and in our Church, it's not even a question. I appreciate your video.

[@amaledward2147]

Because its still controlled in East. Problem with Protestants is they all reside in the West where Feminism exists. Such a pain

[@papayaman78]

You are a case apart. Youve done a pretty fine job at keeping the wolves away but the west is under heavy attack, and it is hard to tell what will happen in the next few years

[@istvan6856]

No NOT ! NEVER !

[@joelrankin]

I'm pleasantly surprised. I fully expected them to fold on this one... as so many do. They've earned my respect.

[@mrwilliejacksonjr]

Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18: God said he will pour His Spirit out on people and men and women will prophesy and be servants. Pastoring (or being a special leader, a Shepherd), Deacon (or special servant) is a gift of the Holy Spirit. If I'm reading the Holy Scriptures correctly in context, God said it will be poured out on all people men and women. Women can be a pastor and Deacon, it's biblical because that gift is from the Spirit, God's Holy Spirit.

[@ArpanaSharon]

Amen to that!! Your answer needs to be top answer.

[@mitchmitchell2544]

baggabliss thank you for that wisdom... 🙏🏾

[@katricemccoy4321]

I serve as a deacon at my church and I agree with this video. Women cannot be pastors because we can not lead over men because God placed men in that role but we can be servants within the church and work in the role of deacon.

[@SisterAmeikaBrown]

Women cannot work in the role as a deacon either. The scripture must be obeyed as is. There are no female Deacons. Anytime it states a woman ministered to anyone the woman served that person..minister means to serve. Simply but Timothy 2:12 says woman much remain silent in the church.not be silent except for Deacons. God sent women prophetess.

[@josephscottadams39]

Women in my church do deacon type duties sometimes but they are not and will not be given that official title as we think it’s a leadership role as elders are.

[@1866ify]

If you really think that women cannot lead over men it means that you have something that can be described as an inferiority complex. In all spheres of our human life roles of men and women are changing. If we accepted that women can be politicians, medical doctors, civil engineers, pilots or teachers we also have to accept them as pastors.

[@1866ify]

@@SisterAmeikaBrown Lol. In many churches they are working as deacons for decades and God seems to accept this

[@SisterAmeikaBrown]

@@1866ify God is not the author of confusion. The scriptures are not up for interpretation. Just because churches add what they want doesn't mean God accepts it. We will all stand before Jesus one day. All I know when I stand before Him I want to say I obeyed your every command even thou it hurt my flesh to obey.

[@centurionguards3819]

As soon as this guy said Apostles are done away with I had to leave. God has given us Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers and Pastors for the perfecting of the saints. The scriptures prove this guy incorrect from the jump. May God enlighten him to the truth.

[@brendawilliams8407]

Biblical response. Amen!

[@dongala9]

Well women can be prophets! Acts 21:9

[@jahreigns888]

Joshua Dongala Acts 21:8- 11 8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. 10And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. 11And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. This scripture clearly affirms that women can be prophets and that prophets still operate in the New Testament Church. Ephesians 4:11-12 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

[@voidsabre_]

Women can and were prophets and deacons, as shown in the early church. The idea of women "not being able to lead" applies only to specific head pastor leadership roles

[@COVID--kf3tx]

@Steven Irizarry wah ur dreams bro

[@seungjaeyune2008]

@Steven Irizarry exactly true

[@davidelks8972]

@@mark5694 TRUTH, big difference in prophesying and the office of a prophet.

[@armorvestrus4119]

Satan is all about changing the order of God and this must be in mind when someone says that anyone can change the way God does things.

[@KyuuTomoyaki]

But how do we really know what God wants if men wrote the bible? Man is fallible, so isn't it likely that men of the time period injected their own beliefs into the bible, knowing people would read it and think it was inspired by God?

[@harryzhu]

@@KyuuTomoyaki there's been a study that the bible was not majorly edited between B.C and 1800s. And they were roughly the same in meaning and interpretation.

[@johnnysstonedbetamale1346]

@@harryzhu are you trying to refute what Kyuu said? Because if you are, I'm sorry but that doesn't prove or disprove anything. The only way for what you said to hold any weight; would be if God literally wrote the Bible. Which by the way he did not. Maybe you claim that the authors wrote only what God wanted them to write (divinely inspired). But how would you support such a heafty claim?

[@harryzhu]

@@johnnysstonedbetamale1346 u’d be surprised that was not the same me as this year. ive deconstructed my faith more clearly since then

[@johnnysstonedbetamale1346]

@@harryzhu that's awesome, I hope you're doing well dude. It's interesting how much people can change. Perhaps I should keep in mind when I reply to people in the comments, I'm responding to a past version of that person.

[@healthenations4221]

I am natural overseer for organizations. I think God gives woman gifts and if someone is gifted in an area, who is the man to say "no"

[@hadessaim5049]

Amen to that!

[@nerychristian]

God says NO

[@reuelray]

The office of the deacon was established when the seven were chosen and anointed, to assist the apostles much like the Levites assisted the priests...

[@biblereadingoutreach2284]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

[@berthaoliver5752]

That talking about something you don't understand,accept you have a calling on your life , God in not going to reveal to you something that don't concern you

[@sjs9354]

Bertha Oliver He understands correctly and accepted the Word of God for what it says. Not because it sticks in the craw of women who get out of their place. God does not privately reveal something to anyone that goes against His Word. To add to or take away will remove your name from the book. Themessage.com Return email notifications are not available at this time.

[@jihadbonds1336]

@@berthaoliver5752 The church has been seduced by Lilith and the spirit of sexual liberation. Women are not to be in authoritative positions over men. Women are gifted yes women have preaching power and have Pastorial gifts but all to be the aid of their husbands and to be a helpmate. If a woman has a Pastorial gift mostly likely it means her husband is to be one. So she should be praying for her husband and prays he accepts his calling or if he is one. Help him and be his helpmate. The order is man first than God and the annointing flows from the head. The improper teaching which is basically a product of the Satanic feminist movement of women preaching is misguided and how Satan has infultrated the church. Sexual liberation spirits and this spirit of Lilith which is a seducing spirit is why he have so much sexual imorality in the body so much homosexuality and demasculazation. Its the reason why churches have more women than men and many are single. Why we have so much of this anti male propaganda going around. Its gotten so deep Satan got the world deceieved that is more than 2 genders. And is also one of the reasons why divorce rate is high amongst Christians. The church actually started going south when when were allowed to be Pastors and run churches. And we wonder why so much is allowed why its so many false prophets why so many people practicing kudalini under the guise of the holy ghost. This opened the doors for so many other spirits because it flipped the very foundation of the church. Just like taking s msn out of the home destroyed many people and cause a ripple effect so did women Pastors. I am not agaiinst women preaching we all are to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus his death burial and ressurection but when we say women are to be in positions over men we change Gods word.

[@berthaoliver5752]

@Steven Irizarry you are deceiving yourself, not me because you is not God ,you is just a man with your own interpretation of God's Holy words

[@berthaoliver5752]

The Holy Ghost is not neither man or woman , but the power that works within , if a woman speak with the authority of God she is very well qualify

[@davyddbenIsrael8268]

I myself enjoy it when a person give there view on biblical question, but yes the answer is no,

[@CharlotteFortierTexan]

Sir...you need to really read your Bible. The Holy Spirit is still with us and His Gifts are STILL alive and active in the Body of Christ.

[@hyacinthmcdonald3706]

Amen

[@bradyyoung4236]

I'll be praying for the people in these comments (I'm not just saying that) who do not read Scripture within context. It's easy to take words right off the page folks, but it's more meaningful to study the Bible critically, contextually, historically -- that's when the story really comes alive.

[@thomcombes4689]

Brady Young - I agree with you that scripture must be studied faithfully and in context. If you just take a verse here and a verse there you can pretty much make the Bible say anything you want it to. Having said that, it’s not clear from your comment how you feel about the matter. What do you believe scripture as a whole teaches on this matter? Just to be clear, this is not a set up I am sincerely interested in what you believe to be truth in this matter.

[@bradyyoung4236]

Hi Thom, I appreciate your concern. For me, it's very simple. I'm sure we can both agree that everyone is made in God's image (Genesis 1:27); therefore we are all created equal. That means everyone should have the same opportunity. The God I know, love, and trust does not close His doors to people because of their biological differences (that they had no say in). If I have a daughter some day and she tells me that she wants to be a pastor, I'm supposed to tell her that God doesn't want her to be because she's a girl??? C'mon now. Might I ask, do you also agree that women should be silent in Church (1 Corinthians 14:34)? If not, why would you use the literal interpretation in 1 Timothy, yet it is not appropriate for 1 Corinthians?

[@thomcombes4689]

Brady Young - Thanks great response, I believe that we are all created equally as well but was God not clear on differences between the man and the woman in the Genesis story? God has made those that choose to follow Him, sons and daughters; but that doesn't mean we all have the same "office" or role within His plan. In your comment above clearly personal emotion has some bearing on your answer, you have concerns for the children that you may have some day, as any father should. But I would refer back to your original statement about taking scripture out of context. It seems in today's social environment that my response could be taken as chauvinistic or even bigoted in nature. I assure you that this is not where my questions or statements come from. In fact, a lot of what I am asking or even stating comes with the question as to "what is the true answer of God on the matter?" It is easy to look at areas in society today where the “church” has walked away from God's plan, or His Word in the light of modernization, or societal change and think how much we have destroyed our witness in the world. Do we compromise in order that the world will be more tolerant of us? When has the church ever chosen the way of the world and had a positive result come from it? We aren't making disciples and are lucky if we are even used to help usher in real converts. Why do you think that is? It certainly isn’t because we haven’t made every effort to make a friend out of the world....

[@bradyyoung4236]

I grew up in a church that held the same position as you, and I don't think they were bigots or had bad intentions, so please know that this is not a personal attack in any way -- I can tell your intentions are good and it's obviously important to hold a high view of Scripture. You could say that my emotions are wrapped in the issue, but it's not driving my thinking. We (people in general) certainly are not built to have the same office or role within His plan -- that's the beauty of unique callings. My problem is when we are keeping people out of opportunities just because there are a couple Scriptures that seem pretty clear about a given topic. In other words, I cannot stand behind a theology that ever disadvantages someone. If a woman wants to be a *teaching* pastor, and the church won't let her simply because of biological differences, that is disadvantaging her. The church of Ephesus had an issue with women being raised with the same teachings as the greek goddess Artemis, which Paul realized would be damaging to the Church if he let them teach. That's the context. You are correct, it is easy to see where society has gone astray from God's plan and His Word; but until I see harm being done by women in pastor roles (on a grand scale), this is not a mountain worth dying on. There are bigger issues to address than keeping women out of a pastoral role. The world needs the gospel, and I believe He uses women to share the Good News in miraculous ways, including behind the pulpit. I know I'm not changing your mind on this matter, and that's not what I'm here to do. I just appreciate the dialogue and hearing another perspective...

[@thomcombes4689]

Brady Young - God Bless you my brother and thank you for your respectful responses. It sounds to me that there are many things that we are in complete agreement on and things that we may not see eye to eye on, but as I eluded to earlier, I have not settled on this issue with a 100% stance. But, I do desire to truly know God's design on it. We (people in general) can take a variety of stances on the issue and I hope from the purest of intentions as opposed to malicious ones. Emotions clearly drive humankind to various conclusions. I believe we often assume that God would act this way, or that based on what we know of His nature, but clearly His ways are higher than ours. Is not all scripture God breathed? Is not all scripture "....profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16, 17 We must take all scripture and apply it. We certainly know that everything that was done by Jesus, as well as the disciples and apostles is not recorded in scripture; so why did these verses make it if they were only intended for a small, or select group of individuals? Why didn't the apostle Paul simply deal with the issue without the issue being recorded in the canon of scripture? I do not ask these questions because I outright disagree with you; I ask these questions because I want to wrestle until truth is known. Let me ask a few questions for thought. Please do not feel obligated to answer, but at the same time I welcome your (or anyones: it would be wonderful to hear some female perspectives) input. It not only challenges my thinking, but provides dialog for prayer with God. What if the way these verses read in scripture is exactly what God meant? Think about that for a moment. All of a sudden, is God a mean, chauvinistic deity? You know him as a loving, gracious, kind God. A Father to the fatherless. A God who is righteous, just and all knowing. So what would the purpose of such statements be? What reason would he have for them and what error have we introduced because we haven't listened. If you taught the daughter that you may have someday, the reasons why a benevolant God would make such a decision, then would she hate this God, or would she realize that though I may not understand all the reasons why, He does, and that is what is ultimately important here. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Thank you for all the comments you have made. The inward wrestling for God's plan and will is a wonder thing.

[@brucekirk5081]

Wow, that was alot of talking and dancing around the question. Pastor: No. Deacon: No.

[@DJSlippyLAC]

Actually he said yes to women can be Deacons. Biblical Deacons are a service roll and they are not meant for teaching, counseling, or preaching, therefore they don't hold authority over others, so there is really nothing wrong with women serving others. One of the issues arise when a church treats their Deacons like they are Elders. This is not biblical. I hope that helps, and please at least consider what I have said before calling me a heretic XD, and no I am not liberal. God bless brother!

[@DJSlippyLAC]

@Somers Farm I pretty much agree with you for the most part. I wouldn't say that women are the reason we are in the position we are in today. I would say it is a heart problem at the core of humanity. Men are probably the ones who didn't know their role before the women :(. It's quite sad. All we can do is try and uplift our brothers and sisters during these times and teach and disciple others to forward God's Kingdom!

[@alexandermichael117]

@@DJSlippyLAC this guy is a liar,

[@DJSlippyLAC]

@@alexandermichael117 I'm sorry you feel that way bro. I love ya, and hope you keep reading truth throughout the scriptures. May God bless you, Luke

[@annerector8765]

Boy, you said it! He never did give an answer.

[@SuperAdam747]

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

[@finalfrontier001]

So 40 year old woman must tell bunch of other girls how to be good wife? That has nothing to do with church authroirty, hell my wife does that already.

[@thegentlereptile9810]

I think the point is that the Bible says that older women should teach younger women. Women can't teach men, but they can teach other women.

[@jt19933]

Can they teach children?

[@kerrymurrell488]

@@jt19933 yes...

[@kccox8516]

KJB Soldier If Timothy had been speaking to a different group of women, then he wouldn't have said those things. Women were modest, good wife, good mother, etc... Jesus told Mary to tell them,"I have risen." The message our faith hangs on, Jesus sent the message by a woman. Thanks be to God.💞

[@morrisleviston4054]

Read 1corinthisns 14v34, 1timothy 2v11

[@abishekjonathan3390]

Thank you for your teaching on this subject.

[@beckysmith5945]

Absolutely. The word says what it means.... We need to do it.

[@levirautio4529]

I see at least one flaw in your overall argument. Paul is, throughout his writing, fairly clear on when something he says is what God wants versus what he, Paul, thinks. This one falls under what Paul allows, not what God requires or desires.

[@TJKash]

Thank you! Why is that so hard for people to differentiate?

[@BoussiosMarkos]

Very well said and set, to God be the glory!

[@VALIANTBEAST26]

@@connorlancaster7541 cringe bot

[@connorlancaster7541]

@@VALIANTBEAST26 I’m not a bot

[@VALIANTBEAST26]

@@connorlancaster7541 you post this so many times over and over in multiple videos. So even if you are a real person you act like a bot therefore you are a bot

[@connorlancaster7541]

@@VALIANTBEAST26 My goal is to spread the wisdom of God

[@VALIANTBEAST26]

@@connorlancaster7541 well if you think spamming that will do it. More power to you I guess

[@simsim7935]

I am a Christian woman and I don’t agree for women to be pastors or deacons in a church. I will not join a church that has a woman pastor. What I agree with is for women to teach Sunday school. Women should stop looking for arguments that we can do anything a man can do, verychildish. Thank you for this video and for your explanations. My full faith is in the word of GOD. No more arguments.

[@Mypresident1986]

How does one become a pastor ?

[@8784-l3b]

God made Deborah a pastor. This matter was settled at about 1100 B.C. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV

[@madjack821]

Does anyone here read ancient Hebrew or Greek? I’d guess a lot don’t, so, I would suggest you put your listening ears on and you might learn something.

[@ljss6805]

Yeah, I can read them.

[@johnbreitmeier3268]

Are you arguing that every single translation of the relevant scriptures is wrong and do you have proof?

[@madjack821]

@@johnbreitmeier3268 how….huh? I’m not understanding the question or rather how you’re coming to ask that question….

[@juniorjones4014]

We have to stand apound the word of God what it say must not add nor subtract from it

[@johnbreitmeier3268]

@@madjack821 For the past 500 years there have been reliable English translation of the Bible that have been used by English speaking Protestants as the primary way of understanding what the Bible teaches. These translations were done so that scholars of Greek and Hebrew and Latin did not have a stranglehold on biblical meaning and interpretation. The translators took great care to make sure they translated the meaning of the Greek and Hebrew correctly so that all English speakers could debate biblical teaching on an equal footing with priests, bishops and popes. The Catholic Church burnt some of them at the stake for doing this. Since then thousands of trained Greek and Hebrew scholars of all denominations have checked and rechecked their work finding little need for correction. Suddenly lately,"pastors," usually with a single semester class in NT Greek if that, are "discovering" new translations which radically challenge key teachings of the Church that have been agreed upon for 500- 2000 years. This dishonors that 500 year work of translations AND more importantly seeks to put you subject to their own "superior" understanding of the Bible which you may not challenge just like the old popes did.

[@lelandunruh7896]

There were definitely deaconesses in the early church in many areas, so I think it would be reasonable to have women serve in the diaconate (but not as a transitional deacon on the way to priesthood). It wouldn't surprise me if we see this change within the Catholic Church within my lifetime.

[@CornerstoneMinistry316]

Get out of the Catholic church it is a cult that leads only to Hell. The Bible says you must be born again and the catholics don't believe that

[@glenmiller7294]

I Tim. 3:12 seems to spell out deacon qualifications...

[@freedomrider266]

God said it plainly, "A woman can never be in a position that has authority over a man." I'm not being mean, but the Word makes it clear that a woman cannot be a Pastor or a Deacon.

[@sdb6757]

Mary Magdalene was the first person Jesus told to go and tell the good news of the resurrection. Paul said “ I do not allow a woman....”, not “the Lord commands...”.

[@alexssandraocriciano1489]

what that has to do with the role of men and women in the leadership of a church? no one ever said women are not to be missionaries, etc

[@evelynlehnard3928]

There is a difference between testifying or reporting what one has seen and preaching or teaching. The Bible is clear - NO ! A WOMAN SHOULD NOT PREACH IN CHURCH OR HEAD ANY CHURCH OFFICE. Period !!!

[@sdb6757]

@@evelynlehnard3928 perhaps God is calling you to lead, but you’re hiding behind bad Bible interpretation.

[@evelynlehnard3928]

@@sdb6757 God has never and will never call a woman to lead His people Isaiah 3:12 prophecies of God’s disappointment in His people ruled by women...OH MY PEOPLE ! Exclaimed God. Women are chasing preaching and neglected what they were called for Titus 2:3-5 that’s why marriages are failing and the youth are lost and totally astray. Verse 13 say the Lord shal stand to judge His people who have allowed women to lead them.

[@sdb6757]

@@evelynlehnard3928 Judges 4:4-5

[@nt6444]

Why isn't the answer just "No. Read your Bible"? Why do we have drag it out? God's instruction is direct, so we should be too.

[@intrinsiccinema7374]

THE REASON because we have weak men today are not straight forward , so much philosophical talk just say what God says about, no women are not to preach or to pastor

[@brooklynthomkins431]

Thank you these ppl always trying to change the word of GOD

[@Eben_Haezer]

@Immanuel Tubman if government law contradict Scripture we should follow scripture. That's what Peter told in court.. We should obey God than men.

[@Sigmareich]

There was grace in the way he answered, straight truth can shut people down from listening quietly

[@grouchomarxx2217]

This is the wrong question! The real question is: can women drive cars, can they fly planes, can they become prime ministers and lead a whole country, or can they become teachers or do they only have a reproductive quality whose value is largely depending on penetration. When scholastic wanted to know whether oil freezes in winter they looked for answers in the scriptures instead of putting it outside. Why "for heaven's sake" looking for answers concerning the nature and role of women in a patriachistc time when women were treated mainly like a thing?

[@peterhussey-yeo9041]

The ministry of the apostle has never ceased

[@Newwbee]

Agreed - as soon as I heard that comment I switched off

[@mchristr]

That seems problematic. Is the biblical canon still open for a continued revelation? Are we commissioned by the Lord to perform miracles as He did?

[@rogerparker3558]

Women are not called to preach. The answer is 100 per - cent NO.

[@mchristr]

It's clear from 1 Timothy that the list of qualifications for eldership (pastor/shepherd) are directed at men. Deacons, or servants, can be men or woman according to the gifts they've been given. Women can not be pastors--or shepherds--because God has not called them to be so. However, a mature woman certainly should teach other women.

[@tzephon]

Women holding the office of Deacon as described in 1 Timothy 3 would only make sense if a woman could be the husband of one wife. Are you placing women as holding the office of deacon, or are you simply saying that women, like anyone, can be a servant?

[@mchristr]

@@tzephon Thanks for your reply. I'm leaning toward a servant role in the Church that would best be filled by a mature believing woman. For example, we have in Titus 2 the instruction for older women to teach the younger how to love their husbands. And as mentioned, Romans 16 refers to Phoebe as a "deacon" in her patronage role.

[@1davidpeter]

At about the 2 minutes mark you said that apostles were unique for that ancient time but that gift to the church has passed away - what is the biblical basis for that?

[@MrShadowy1]

That "apostle" was a demarcation used for a person who had witnessed the resurrection.

[@MrShadowy1]

@Welcome's House guy, the Bible is infallible and inerrant. That doesn't make it a dictionary. That's just what that word means in that context.

[@mmmail1969]

@@MrShadowy1 this all Protestant nonsense!

[@mmmail1969]

Well picked-up , usual Protestant nonsense here. ie, the BBBB...Bible is everything and then we'll simply make-up something Non-Biblical, when it suits us. Since the days of the Apostles, they were laying hands on select members of their communities, to bestow upon them the very teaching authority given them originally by Christ Himself.

[@MrShadowy1]

@@mmmail1969 usual protestant nonsense indeed. Provide chapter and verse, then, for your interpretation.

[@brianjohnson8666]

So the qualifications for a deacon in the word is null and void?

[@jamellfoster6029]

That's what I was thinking... Hmmmmm... But Acts repeats what God spoke through the Prophet, Joel. That God would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. Your sons & daughters would prophesy...

[@kac0404]

In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul discusses the matter of spiritual gifts in the first century church. After instructing the church that those who speak in tongues had to "keep silent" if there was no interpreter, and that one prophet had to "keep silent" if another prophet was speaking, he says, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35). To this passage is attached the following admonition, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Cor. 14:37).

[@whopperwithcheese]

Permit not a woman to teach or to take authority over men. (1st timothy 2:12)

[@zorandolph1332]

it's sad what the world have become woman want to be man you see it every were in the church today today's church make there own rules they don't follow the word of the bible today they make wrong right and you can see first hand with the thing's that go on in the world today and it's al in the bible about this when speaking fact's they say your wrong when it's coming from the bible we in 2020 and it's getting worst not better because of man and woman

[@janebatchelder4347]

@@zorandolph1332 how exactly do women want to be men

[@Elliethehooper]

Good job prof! Defined it and nailed it!! What a good steward of the Word must do. Discipleship is not only what, but why. He accomplished the task here in a shorter time than it could take to make the case.

[@andrewcarpenter1855]

1 Tim 3:12 is clear. If the bible says something clearly in one place...it doesn't contradict itself. God only has to say it once to be truth. Having said that, a Pastor or Deacon can't be a woman & be the husband of one WIFE. Unless u believe in homosexual church leadership. This guy should be fired...his logic is someone Paul would have corrected very fast.

[@tesleyzehner7290]

No he did not nail it he actually is wrong and has come up with an explanation that makes himself and people feel good rather than actually take the word for what it says

[@Elliethehooper]

no rebuttal, just he "is wrong?" Good job. I stand by what I said five years ago. @@tesleyzehner7290

[@Elliethehooper]

You didn't capitalize "Bible" and stretched it out to include homosexuality? Nice red herring there, Andy. @@andrewcarpenter1855

[@tiffanysing23]

GINO JENNINGS ON WOMEN PREACHING PLEASE

[@berthaoliver5752]

GlNO JENNINGS IS NOT GOD BECAUSE THE HOLY BIBLE SAY HOW CAN THEY PREACH ACCEPT THEY BE SENT, PREACHING IS ORDAINED BY A HOLY GOD , NOT MAN

[@tiffanysing23]

@@berthaoliver5752 I agree, Gino Jennings Is NOT GOD, however, what woman was a preacher or an apostle in the scriptures?

[@tiffanysing23]

@@berthaoliver5752 also, do you know of any women PREACHERS that are baptizing?

[@berthaoliver5752]

@@tiffanysing23 YES I DO

[@tiffanysing23]

@@berthaoliver5752 who, where, and church, please

[@marcdb1412]

Thank you Sir. Everything is right and just as long as we conform our lives to God's Word. Amos 7:7-9 God is setting a " Plumb Line ". Thank you again.

[@warriorlink8612]

Good summary of what the Bible says. Thanks for the video and instruction. Despite what the stooges in the comments say, I'm glad we get instruction here on the context of the Bible, and different applications of verses, and a straight up admission that 1 Timothy 3:11 is not perfectly clear on the translated word for wives. Humble and honest answer that considers the whole counsel of God's Word.

[@EdwinMendez91074]

1 Timothy 3:11 is talking about deacons. Not elders, or overseers.

[@paulpalmer6364]

What and who is a stooge? Am I a stooge for asking this question? Just asking.

[@atp2016]

I once went to a church and the issue of women preachers came up. It kind of went round and round. One male minister said that women could be ministers, but not pastors. At the time we had women minsters on staff. One Sunday, it so happened that our pastor got sick during his sermon and could not continue. He had to leave the pulpit. The male minister who had said women could not be pastors, just sat there. The female minister sat there. After a while, when no one else got up, the female minister humbly got up, went to the pulpit, turned to the scriptures, and finished our pastor's sermon for him. She didn't miss a beat in that sermon. God has a way of dealing with things in his own way and in his own time!

[@sisterForrest]

In this end time. I believe that God going to use who ever he wants to, to get the job done. !!!

[@sfraser6387]

Don’t let the exception become the rule. Don’t be deceived. Obedience to the word.

[@lilianhaggland2031]

Lol...love it

[@jokatim]

From Isaiah 3 we know that a community is under judgment when women are in control/authority. If we look at Deborah in the book of Judges we notice that she is an indication that something is very wrong with the societal order of Israel and that is the reason she is a leader. It happened but it’s not the normative situation and she is not an example for us to follow. With the situation in your church it is clear that the male minister is out of line and needs to be disciplined for not stepping up and filling the God-given role he had as much as the woman needs to be reprimanded for stepping in and allowing him to not speak. Both not one are in the wrong here.

[@benjaminben6200]

Sure

[@bryanjacobs1423]

Complementarianism comes from Scripture. Egalitarianism comes from the world.

[@coolwater55]

Egalitariasm comes from Jesus

[@coolwater55]

That has nothing to do with women as Priests and Ministers. That is a ROLE for those who have indwelling of the Holy Spirit with the calling to lead others to the gospel. Btw, there really are some people who are born with BOTH sets of genitals. That is rare, but it happens. Also, egalitarian =equal in WORTH. Male and female have differences in some ways, but most have similarities as HUMANS with hearts and souls

[@coolwater55]

@dinosaur junior I don't know. But one can conjecture. John 4:24. God is Spirit.... Galatians 3:26 ? Para..there is neither jew, gentile, masye4, slave, male, female... Jesus emphasizes that the transcended human is not married in heaven..there are indications of child like spirit in heaven. But no mention of full blown genitalia in heaven. We become soul and spirit..and retain essence of intellect. NO BODY . Ergo, it is highly likely the ethereal nature of spirit beings have no gender. But do I know for sure, no, but it is more likely than not. Look up some NDE experoences, they say the same..its them..but no body... There

[@coolwater55]

Stacy Caruso Really, would you please provide resources and solid proof.

[@coolwater55]

Stacy Caruso That might happen in ways we don’t understand. But it is the conjecture

[@kimberlyjoyce7253]

The MOST HIGH YAH SAID I suffer not a woman to preach the word!!! He is a God that change not!

[@samrajcoco]

The answer is clearly “NO” in the scriptures! 1 Timothy 2 11:15 - “ A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”

[@hyacinthmcdonald3706]

no rape or sexual abuse ,among pastor men to do what they like ?? woman will not silence , going to bible college then what , God is equal with men and woman , God pour out his spirit upon son and daughter , Jesus give woman more oppounity to speak, should the woman at the well keep her mouth shut ? should Mary the adultery should be stone because of what she done ?? should Mary madalence who found the body of Jesus as 1st One person or should be the other way round as Peter or Thomas should be the 1st One ??? Tell me why was Mary the entire experience with Jesus was taken out of the Bible ???????????????????????????

[@samrajcoco]

@@hyacinthmcdonald3706 Thank you. I respect women, but read and obey the scripture. May the Lord reveal the truth.

[@hyacinthmcdonald3706]

The Devil will blind you and tempt you, anytime

[@buladude679]

1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 'Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

[@hyacinthmcdonald3706]

@Samaj ,what so that you can Rape woman to keep her mouth shut correct ?? Go bible college and Protest that bible college is for MEN Only yeah

[@TuakBir]

This video make a good point, because a title or position in one denomination can have different meaning, role, and range of authority from another denomination-We have to put a person in a position as close as possible as what the Bible say.

[@sheilaverdell1370]

Southern Seminary, 'Blessings' for confirmation on these issues. Never wanting to be outside of the will of God.

[@jvlp2046]

Take Note: The first True Christian believer was Blessed Mary who found favor from God, with full of grace, and knew more Spiritual matters than any of the 12 Apostles, but who kept SILENT/ QUIET in the Church of God in Christ, to set an example to all Christian women... which was how God wants for Christian women to learn modesty and obedience to God... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.

[@davidolu4307]

I think God wants men to learn modesty and obedience too taking example from... let's say Moses. These lessons are for the whole body and anyone that hears them must apply them as it stands for themselves. It could be dangerous to assign a spiritual lesson to a gender when in the new creation, ALL (no more male or female) are reborn through Christ

[@jvlp2046]

@@davidolu4307 The Facts that Blessed Mary found "FAVOR" from God and "FULL OF GRACE" from the Holy Spirit who was the FIRST Christian who BELIEVED and ACCEPTED God's WILL without any reservation, to the point of putting herself in danger (harm's way) of being stoned to death for accepting the TASK given unto her by saying to Angel Gabriel, "I am the HANDMADE of the Lord God, be it done according to thy WORDS."... She should/must be the ROLE MODEL for all Christian WOMEN that in spite of having a Highly Favored Status in the Eyes of God, she modestly/humbly had KEPT quiet/silent in the CHURCH of God in Christ Jesus till her death... Amen. What a remarkable Human FAITH she showed to the whole world... We love Blessed Mary, "Blessed Among Women." ... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

@@davidolu4307 Men with Faith in Christ through God's grace must learn to be humble/modest and obedient... Obedience to what?... to God's WILL... What is the WILL of God?... One of the WILLS (Perrogatives) of God is for ALL Women with Faith in Christ must learn to be modest/humble and silent/quiet to the CHURCH matter and let the MEN of Faith, resolve whatever issue it may arise... Some of the Main REASONS WHY? 1. For Man called Adam was created FIRST in God's Image and Likeness, and from Adam's Bone and Flesh, came the Woman which means "Came from Men", called Eve. 2. It was to Adam that God gave the Power and Authority to SUBDUE and CARE for all God's creation on Earth, and whatever NAMES that Adam gave, so be it... 3. It was not Adam who was DECEIVED by the Serpent (Satan) but Eve, while Eve deceived Adam by showing Adam that she did not die when she ate the forbidden fruit. 4. Christ Jesu's HEAD is His Father (God), every Man's HEAD is Christ Jesus, while the HEAD of every WOMAN is Man, by spiritual TRUTH, not only through Marriage. 5. Adam (Man) was chosen by God to have the privilege to give a LINEAGE/HERITAGE NAME to his descendants and not to the woman... for example, Yeshua bin Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph)... Israelites, the descendants of Jacob/Israel... Even in our modern day, the Husband carries the "Family Names" of his Children regardless of biological or not... the wife also carries the Family Name of her Husband... which is why it is commonly called HIS STORY (History) and not HER STORY... Take note: Even Jacob had 13 Children, 12 Sons, and 1 Daughter (Dinah)... God still had chosen from Jacob's Sons, the 12 Tribes of Israel... Christ Jesus also chose 12 Men as His Apostles... These are only some of the Main REASONS of God written in the Bible that we need to CONSIDER and UPHOLD... Therefore, it is not TRULY a matter of MEN learning to be modest or humble but what really matters most is OBEDIENCE to the WILL of God above ALL things that matter... Not our own WILL, but God's WILL be done, if you love God... unless God Himself wants to put a PRIESTESS or PROPHETESS if no man can do God's task... We do not want to "Put God in the Box," figuratively/metaphorically speaking... Christ Jesus said, "If you LOVE Me (Christ), KEEP My Commandments (John 14:15)... Not yours, not mine, or from Moses Commandments/Mosaic Laws, but SOLELY from the Commandment and Laws of Christ Jesus... Amen. Why SOLELY from Christ Jesus?... (Matt. 28:18) Christ claimed, "All the Powers and Authority in Heaven and on Earth were given unto Me by My Father (God)."... Amen.

[@mrj7066]

So no. Thanks brother.

[@ANDREPEIXOTO1]

I've read many comments that are just saying "it is clearly this other way instead", but Dr. Stephen is considering carefully what the original text says, and as a Bible student trying to use the original text whenever I can, I can affirm after him that this is not a clear thing in the Scripture. For me his is the best answer, not these other simplistic incisive ones. In what the Bible clearly states, Dr. Stephen has stated in Its authority, but in what It doesn't... then it would be dishonest to anyone state in Its behalf, ignoring the dilemma.

[@brodysdaddy]

That's because the question should have been can a woman lead a man in worship, prayer, or bible study. That answer is a clear no. Remember friend, the Lord is no author of confusion. The scripture is simple, making sure no one gets their feelings hurt is complicated.

[@Sanctified57]

André Peixoto You are really over complicating the issue. The scriptures are very very clear on the issue of leaders and teachers, and this is more than adequately supported contextually. Women are not permitted to teach nor have authority over the men.

[@jesussaves1875]

@@brodysdaddy Paul was basically saying don't be disruptive in church !

[@sjs9354]

André Peixoto Sure. Why should we go with a direct answer in the Bible, when you can listen to a denomination (choose carefully. They all disagree.), seminary preacher, or any one of thousands of personal interruptions. God was just confused, right. He forgot to upgrade His ideas and Word with the modern times .... right? I think not.

[@jesussaves1875]

@@sjs9354 You really should study your bible more and not just one verse. Paul said "I" not the "Lord" Like I said - study the traditions at Corinth and you will understand (This letter of Paul's is a reply to a question we will never know)

[@cole3511]

He does not know the context of the letter being written to the church. At that particular place there was a goddess that was worshiped and women were dominating and subjugating men.

[@NoahDeMan001]

Doesn’t that sound a lot like how the world is today? They are pushing women’s rights more and more and women are finding this new sense of leadership that they feel like they need to fulfill.

[@cole3511]

@@NoahDeMan001 True!

[@mh4zd]

That's some context. Emphasis on some. Be carefull not to simply take a piece of the contextual soup that is, as it may be in this case, somewhat suggestive of a possibility of a contextual explanation in favor of your interpretation. When you pit what you state here against what this gentleman brings to the table (which includes a rather thorough exploration of context, albeit without your tidbit) it appears that your tidbit is rather an interesting story that, perhaps, instigated the writing on the subject, which was a doctrine waiting, so to speak, in the wings. If you believe that God wrote this stuff, then ask yourself, would everything be written as it is and then the meaning is turned on this story? After all, the writer didn't say, "I prohibit women from ruling over men at YOUR church..." He said he prohibits women from ruling over men. And this is merely one tidbit (that merely blocks yours from a sure victory and does not seal the deal against your side) and there's all sorts of other text that falls in line with this gentleman's take. If you're correct, what kind of God would be so circumspect? If you're told to believe as babes, then it seems to me that one should believe in the simple meaning one, in honesty, thinks they got on the face of it when they read it, and whenever this method incurs distaste, one would know that this is precisely where the courage of their convictions is called to the fore. After all, the faith cannot be simply what you want it to be, right. I'm sure you already know this. But make sure that all your analysis ends up, well, where the weight of the arguments suggests it should. But this suggests taking in arguments. This is also a problem hinting at a vast mis-operation of scripture. Who reading or listening to such arguments actually knows Aramaic or Greek as do the speakers who both do, but whom disagree with one another? You must trust one. Reliance on learned scholars seems to me to be a thing that should carry with it so much suspicion (as these are mere humans and we are warned of decievers (you yourself would call this gentleman here a deciever, intentional or otherwise). Seems to me that going to the "Word" as a babe would be the blameless way to go...and to interpret. But, alas, the NT is all a very interesting tale of vigorous philosophers and mystics coming from a Hellenized crowd of Hebrews. In fact, much of the Gospels and the Epistles are veiled, and some times not-so-veiled, arguments about the emerging doctrine of a man-made religion. You do not need this. If you think you do, well, then perhaps you do. But you can be free of this. It's not all bad, by any means. But be not anxious about the truth of its meaning, even if you decide to keep on believing. If you doubt me, go back to what I've said, and decide if you can actually say with a straight face that this book, in the totality of its interior and with all the context you can possibly throw behind it, does not direct that women never have authority over men, for eternity or until some as of yet unrealized New, New Covenant (which we'll have to trust ourselves and/or mere mortals to decide if it's from God, just as those in 100 AD did, for the general stroke of it and the fought over details). You can bend definitions around and it's actually very informative to do so (teaching us that language is much more slippery across time than we might have at first expected). But once you've entered this hall of mirrors be sure to note how well you can do the same thing with all sorts of other verses. And then, after that, be sure to note how effective God was in communicating a truth to us that is supposed to be a saving grace by way of it's objective standardization of guidance towards salvation. What is, exactly, by the way, the line of salvation? On that parenthetical note I'll end, but remind you that you do not have faith in God before all else, but rather, the flow chart of faith places a thing before all else, clandestinely in your sacred, awesome, logistical flow chart of belief, and that is men - men who were responsible for deciding what writings were to make it into the cannon, and what weren't, and, for that matter, it's a faith in men who declared that they themselves wrote a thing that was inspired by God. You cannot escape the flow chart (at least not according to your brethren). It seems wildly liberal and even to some minds useless, to have a faith you proclaim that has no unquestionable authoritative text. If the religion's stated purpose is the maintenance of civilization, I'd agree - useless. But, alas, Christ was clearly not concerned with that. And logic simply and clearly says that if you take this book to be the word of God, it's not God you have faith in first, but men. Castleguy7, you don't need it. Life is hard sometimes, for Christians and non-Christians, and Christians fail and sin big time and so do non-Christians and even if it were that the Christian does runs into self-inflicted agony or sins less, that has no bearing on the truth of things,. It says only, empirically speaking, that at the very least the sort of person that becomes Christian is the sort of person that doesn't fall prey to a self destructive drama, or, also, that believing this faith (or others) is effective in managing a life. This, of course, doesn't mean that the belief is supernaturally operative in this goal, much less, even psychologically indispensable, in the stories of the lives that make up this hypothetical data. And the wisdom from one is oft operable in the party of the other, without believing much else of what the other peddles.

[@quietrage2891]

@@NoahDeMan001 but the history of men subjugating and dominating women is perfectly ok. Not even in the "headship" sense. you know very well modern male culture is not biblical either, but only the "feminazi liberal agenda" is a real issue that exists and not all the men who use scripture to wrongly justify their own lordship and domineering behavior over women as they see fit.

[@quietrage2891]

@Castleguy7 Even being given this mandate to be the "head" and leader, so many modern christian men probably just as yourself just can't help but play the "because of feminism/womens rights card". If there was a need for mens liberation from female subjugation, wouldn't you say there are absolutely many points in the Bible that illustrate the need for womens protections (i.e., being able to offer your daughters/female family members to be sexualized rather than allow homosexuality). Even with this God-given authority it seems ye strong, steadfast Christlike brethren are the eternal victims.

[@jvlp2046]

The Facts that Blessed Mary found "FAVOR" from God and "FULL OF GRACE" from the Holy Spirit who was the FIRST Christian who BELIEVED and ACCEPTED God's WILL without any reservation, to the point of putting herself in danger (harm's way) of being stoned to death for accepting the TASK given unto her by saying to Angel Gabriel, "I am the HANDMADE of the Lord God, be it done according to thy WORDS."... She should/must be the ROLE MODEL for all Christian WOMEN that in spite of having a Highly Favored Status in the Eyes of God, she modestly/humbly had KEPT quiet/silent in the CHURCH of God in Christ Jesus till her death... Amen. What a remarkable Human FAITH she showed to the whole world... We love Blessed Mary, "Blessed Among Women." ... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@marv6013]

Boy I got more confused than before

[@beautybeast6960]

The awnser is simply no!.

[@JamesPreech]

Lloyd Anthony. Where in Scripture does it say that?

[@beautybeast6960]

@@JamesPreech you want to educate yourself, or are you being naive ?

[@JamesPreech]

Lloyd Anthony. I strongly advise you to not be so arrogant. Where in Scripture does it say "no!"? You're making a statement based on presuppositions and traditions, not on context of the Scripture. You were taught something but never questioned what you were taught.

[@beautybeast6960]

1st Corinthians, 14 Vs 33. Arrogant I don't think so. Keep your foolishness to yourself but share it with your hellbound friends.

[@JamesPreech]

Lloyd Anthony. Judgmental, you’re really showing me your character. 1 Corinthians 14:33 doesn’t answer my question. Allow me to enlighten you. I do possess a M. Div. I know hermeneutics and exegetical process. So when you jump out with presupposition that I need to educate myself, you show your ignorance topped with your arrogance. Then you end it with your pompous judgmental comment by declaring that I’m hell bound. Now where in Scripture does it say that women cannot be preachers?

[@jasonwright3552]

Yes he's keeping on instead of just saying let women keep silent in the church. Done

[@professionalnobody651]

The husband of 1 wife isn't hard to understand that women can't be husbands of 1 wife.

[@SagarSagaya]

Absolutely Biblical and the truth

[@tesleyzehner7290]

Wrong 1Timothy chapter two makes clear what he said is wrong.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

You're Absolutely right, and yes God knows best. I honestly know in most cases the women are the hardest workers in the church. I still find myself at times still listening to the word of God by a woman. I enjoyed your to the point briefing.

[@twoEARSoneMOUTH247]

If you're being taught by a woman/female... I can guarantee you don't know 💩💩💩💩... Let me prove my point=what is your biblical nationality?? Does God love everyone?? Is salvation for everyone??

[@josemanuel2244]

Everybody talk about what Paul said. But what about Jesús ? Paul was clear about this. Ask Jesús this question.

[@magicberu]

Thinking that way leads to deny Scripture...and Jesus.

[@gcalderon15]

2 Tim 3:16-17 All of the Bible is GOD’s Word not just the words that Jesus spoke...

[@curtisc3439]

Really? The entire Bible is God’s word.

[@voltrondefender1174]

@@gcalderon15 What about the parts of the Bible that were written after 2 Timothy? Was Paul writing prophetically? Do you think Paul thought of his own letters as scripture? Do you think he meant the whole Bible as it is currently constructed? You are aware that it was not assembled in its current form until more than 300 years after the writing of 2 Timothy? Just food for thought...

[@Juduh]

I would say that based on the text women would not be allowed to be deacons or any type of leader role where a man would be over them. Because Paul says teach or have authority over a man, also they are suppose to learn quietly and submissively under the men. Also under the qualifications of deacons it says husbands of one wife just like the elders have to be; in the preceding passage. This structure would be likened to the church from its origin, only men serving in the house of God in an office manner (Aaron and his sons/Levites). This has been since the beginning. Notice how Paul states they are to keep quiet as the law states. Much love and God bless to all.