Can women be pastors? What does the Bible say about women pastors? -Got Questions Podcast Episode 50

[@madameserenity0880]

It took me a long time to accept this but God's word must stand.

[@jasminemaben6605]

Nice...was very knowledgeable..thankyou so much

[@simonejohnson-ramlakhan1724]

A woman as a Pastor of a Church is a sign of judgement on that specific church, because are you telling me that out of that entire congregation, there is not one man who is worthy to take up the mantle of Pastor? So the wife is preaching to her husband in the congregation? That alone is a warning sign for me. A woman does not have spiritual authority over a man however she can minister (help) just like Mary and Joanna did to Jesus. Women have a serious role in Church, teaching the children, nuturing them into the Word of God. Just because we cannot be elders, pastors or bishops, does not mean we are not worthy or appreciated. We cannot ignore that there are gender specific roles in God's Church......ofcourse feminists will disagree and state that anything a man can do, a woman can do just as effectively or even better.

[@dennisbryson1782]

If we change Gods divine word, then what are we doing, rewriting it? From Genesis throughout the Bible God is very clear in his instructions.

[@Bernimv]

So to understand this correctly "a woman shouldn't be preaching"?

[@lcmck001]

I'm saddened by the path many churches are on but the Word said to expect it. So blessed by saints standing up in the mist of cultural Christianity. I pray more would speak out because it feels like the faithful few are not being seen or heard and when we do....a break happens in the body.

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

Jesus IS The Spirit of Prophecy. Women are biblically confirmed ( affirmed ) to be prophetesses. As a man hears a woman prophecy ING there is through The Holy Spirit a teaching AND instruction component and receiving Yahweh's Truth. This is why we *must* rightfully divide the Word of Truth and seek through The Living Word as though we are seeking treasure. Diligence, continued growth will have many revisit the Living Word and take a much more deep look into what is being taught. Flesh and blood will not inherit The Kingdom of God. Spiritual discernment is an ongoing process. Salvation is not only a one moment event. We are saved, we are being saved and we will be saved. Amazing! Shalom and blessings to you and yours as you abide richly in Jesus. -Bryan

[@Real_Ritchie]

Can never be said better. Thank you.

[@violetnantayiro2327]

I am very delighted see you on you tube and very blessed with the way you handled this topic with purity of heart and without fear or the twisting with which it is usually handled by most Christians.

[@markorji2526]

Great discussion. Thank for shedding light on the truth.

[@koosvanpetten5567]

People should NOT discuss this, but reading their Bible. It is written by God Himself: "If you don't understand something, ask ME, and I will answer you". Only people who have been baptized like Jesus, completely under water, and received the Holy Spirit, can understand this.

[@88rushrocks]

I love Got questions for over 10 years now it’s been a big help in my ministry as I witness to the cults ❤

[@melvincoleman595]

Gods perspective is beyond our imagination. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

[@Kh-7777]

Amen I agree ! Woman have their place and men have there’s! I so agree with this!

[@brucenobody4144]

As believers we should not even submit to men who do not submit themselves to the authority of Jesus.

[@BobbiJoGeho]

A woman must submit herself to her husband as to the Lord. Nowhere does it say otherwise, the only time she can go against his final command is if it goes against the will of God.

[@EP_Kica]

@@BobbiJoGeho wise respond,God bless you more.

[@Jessika-zp2xx]

excellent discussion 100% on point

[@christyvonderchek5740]

Appreciate your biblical stand.

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

The letter of the law kills. The Spirit of the law is breath and life and living water. I know many who believe women can teach men and that the head of a church ideally ( God's perfect will ) should be a man. This is confirmed by The Holy Spirit and a deep dive through ALL scriptures ( an exhaustive study ). Women ( who are humble(d) and obedient are going to be used mightily in these final moments. Jesus will be glorified. Flesh and blood will not inherit The Kingdom of God. Galatians chapter 3 is about salvation say those who are resolute that women are to remain silent. I am saved. I am being saved. I WILL be saved. You may buy a gun for self defense and even practice at a shooting range. I may wield His Living Word as my sword. Am I wrong to have faith in this way? Are you wrong to prepare to defend yourself in a natural way? Neither are wrong. The whole focus of women's roles is not quite discussed in the right way. With maturity comes into focus ( through The Spirit and with Jesus as head ) the right thoughts. Mary at Jesus feet, how does Jesus address her? Have you looked it up in the Greek? Who is an apostle to the apostles after Jesus resurrection? Revealed Truth through maturing IN Jesus Messiah. Shalom, Bryan

[@noobmaster31]

I would just like to point out one thing for the edification of everyone watching and for the speakers. What Priscilla and Aquilla did with Apollos is the Greek word for "explain", which is a different word from what is referenced in 1 Timothy 2 ("Teach"). If you look at Biblical references to "teach" and "explain", the difference is that teaching usually entails ongoing instruction in a student/teacher capacity, whereas "explain" usually entails a singular event/occurrence. So if we take it in context of a pastoral/elder role, it would mean that women are not allowed to provide ongoing instruction/teaching to men, something that's required for that role. They can however explain things to men when they are aware of a lapse in those men's knowledge.

[@alparkes6084]

What about the passages that mention women prophetesses? Paul acknowledges they exists and speaks of some by name. These women spoke in church and their words- coming from God through the Holy Spirit were to be accepted as authoritative by men and women.

[@noobmaster31]

@@alparkes6084 teaching and prophesying are not the same thing. Women prophets are referenced in the old and new testaments. However, if being able to prophesy could replace teaching, then we wouldn't need two separate words for them. All that to say, prophesying by women is totally acceptable, but teaching men in the church isn't.

[@jodabeebarron3373]

Laughable!! 😂

[@matildamaher1505]

Thank you, this video explained it perfectly

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

Revealed Truth. Layers of understanding. The Word is living and active, sharp and powerful. Cultural norms ( as we grow in sanctification ) become spiritually discerned. Yesterday I bought a physical sword or armament. Today I recognize that "The Word" is a sword. I walk in a greater Faith now by His grace. How does this apply to women preachers? Flesh and blood will not inherit The Kingdom of God. We reckon the old man dead. Our new life is walking in the spirit. This tent does NOT dwell where I am currently seated. 🗡️ Into 💦. Shalom. Bryan

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Most enlightening comment on this page... thank you Bryan

[@tamaramalone-qj3hv]

What a great name for a ministry

[@brucenobody4144]

Women in ministry acts 2:17 and Philippians 4:3. Positions of authority 1 Corinthians 11:3.

[@BusyBodyVisa]

They weren't pastors of a church.

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Good point

[@elizaleski9618]

This might not be the best place to ask y’all a question… But I was curious on what you believed the age of the Earth to be… Roughly.. This Ken Ham versus William lane Craig dispute is not super important …although it does help us teach our children proper knowledge. I’d be curious to see many of your viewpoints, with as much scripture backing it up as you can find

[@user-mo1de8uj1p]

Powerful explanation from the woman.

[@Thomasinaross63]

This was very insightful. I am still struggling. I will admit with this. I understand that man is ahead of this household, and I suspect I can understand that he should be the head of the church biblically. But I’m praying hard on the part of a woman can’t have authority over a man and that woman can’t teach a man anything I’m going to continue to pray and continue to study. If you can shed any light for me, please do.

[@koosvanpetten5567]

I don't deal with culture changes, NO women preaching in church according to 1 Timothy 2 : 11-14. This is also a law of God.

[@navybluejacket4401]

Yep. Right. That's how it is and God does not negotiate his Word with His creations.

[@renecintronjr.2262]

Great message. Thank you for the clarification.

[@---zc4qt]

IF women can be pastors- then what is stopping people from REJECTING Gen. 1:1, Ex. 15:5, 1 Sam. 17, John 14:6!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Acts 2:36, Eph. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:4, and other such verses of truth?

[@deborahb.3736]

but...Adam was also deceived.. as he also ate the fruit...??? this is where I find it confusing. I recognise the leadership role of men.. but Adam failed in his role of leadership by not stopping Eve from eating the fruit. so although Eve was deceived first... Adam failed to lead... and then he also ate of the fruit.

[@bradcruise5673]

I cant shake the word cultural influence of the goddess feminine spiritual stronghold in that area. Yes agree paul doesnt mention that in timothy letter. Sanctification is a proccess and that process needed to be put (humorously) on storoids in that culture. Men needed to be empowered in emphasis

[@jameskonnovitch]

Our Church has different roles for women that have spiritual gifts - as they have a Women's Ministry & for children. Praise the LORD.

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

FTR, We go by the Word...in the mouth of two or three witnesses. Joel 2:1-11,15-16,28-29 [1]Blow a trumpet in Zion... [28]"It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. [29]"Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. Judges 4:4-9 [4]Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. [5]She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment. [6]Now she sent and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, "Behold, the Lord, the God of Israel, has commanded, 'Go and march to Mount Tabor, and take with you ten thousand men from the sons of Naphtali and from the sons of Zebulun. [7]I will draw out to you Sisera, the commander of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his many troops to the river Kishon, and I will give him into your hand.'" [8]Then Barak said to her, "If you will go with me, then I will go; but if you will not go with me, I will not go." [9]She said, "I will surely go with you; nevertheless, the honor shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman." Then Deborah arose and went with Barak to Kedesh. I'm not sure what distinction you are making here. Bringing forth God's word as a prophetess or leading a flock? Concerned about the verses talking about a women not usurping a male? Or women learning at home instead of in synagogue? Or, keeping quiet while church service is going in? Or, just not interrupting the lesson? Or, maybe, just maybe, it's more of a cultural thing then a dogma thing. Like men suppressing a woman's right to study God's word for themselves. Puffing themselves up as legends in their own mind? Everyone should have access to God's word. I'm grateful that I have....

[@johnmakini]

Paul said this is God's command ,we should not debate about it "If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command"

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Deborah the Judge came about 1100 years before Paul. A Judge was a spiritual leader. God ruled Israel through Deborah (and the other Judges). My short essay on her can be posted, should there be real interest.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@JLMISR yes she did

[@JLMISR]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i I heard a great study on that, and bottom line was, it wasn't supposed to be that way, just like other things that happened that were done wrong, yet God always turns things that went wrong to turning out right in the end for HIs glory, remember the guy who was supposed to conquer the enemy and he chickened out, and he was told, well, it will go down in history that a woman won this fight cause of you being a scaredy cat!!!

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@JLMISR A complementarian MUST try to discredit a woman being a Judge over Israel. I suspect you heard "... it wasn't supposed to be that way..." from someone with those false beliefs. If you want a real study at some point in the future, I can paste up my essay. It includes scripture and commentary.

[@JLMISR]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i do yourself a favor, read your Bible.......and take it to God!!!!! He wrote it!!!!!!!!!

[@bert-cq3ij]

As a former seminary instructor, pastor, and chaplain I would like to ask my brothers, who ignore early church history, customs, and the Greek about women and men, the following question...right after your steadfast "interpretation" do you also demand your wives have only long hair, and if not, it should be cut off to her shame, to demand long hair of every woman in your church setting? And, that she is to learn only from you in silence? Why is one steadfast and the others explained away? I see testosterone in the equation. Did you know in early biblical customs that to name a woman before her husband was to show equality - Pricilla named before Aquilla 4 times? From the Greek, not male hormones, Junia was a female highly esteemed as a great (in prison with Paul) missionary servant or as an apostle. The male dominated Catholic Church changed the spelling to the male "Junian"...Hmmm. The vast majority of missionaries today are female...are they to be limited to preaching the Good News of Jesus Christ only to women, the men staying in want of the truth? I could go onward but some of you will get the point, most won't...the mosaic of God's Word instead of camping on a particular verse by itself. The vast majority of men and women are NOT called to be teachers or shepherds in the truth of God's Word. Only a few of each has a calling to be recognized and ordained by Christian followers of Jesus Christ. Usurp and dominate? NO!!! To minister alongside one's husband, as my wife does, is YES!!! Everyone, settle down as it isn't a salvation issue nor should it be a Southern Baptist one.

[@JrRimp]

I think one main point that isn’t pointed out is this is Paul speaking on his personal preference. There’s nothing that states he’s speaking in the Spirit, nothing showing this is from God and there’s nothing that Jesus taught that supports what he’s saying. With that being said I believe this is an issue that is trying to be deemed as a commandment of God when in actuality it appears to be one of those things that is optional though not preferred. I think I’m ministry due to the faith recognizing the husband as the head there can be complications if the wife is the pastor. Thought it can be done I think with wisdom we discern that the probability of it working is not as high as vice versa. However, through Jesus we see God does not have respect of person when it comes to ministry. The gospel is the good news of Jesus’ birth, life, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension with the resurrection and ascension as being the greatest of that good news because of what it means for us. The first person to carry the gospel was a woman. I believe the Bible teaches in symbolism and I don’t think that if God didn’t want anyone to be a pastor but men He would have allowed Mary Magdalene to be the one to tell the apostles Jesus rose. All in all, I believe we, as Believers, most take care in the positions that either man or woman are appointed to and make sure it is really being done according to the Spirit. Because when we go with our own personal opinions rather than using wisdom and understanding we begin to be carnal. I believe this issue is fought today because of male chauvinism, mainly.

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Brilliant insight. Most underrated comment...

[@melleni]

Such a well written insight - thank you!

[@virgiliosantiago9329]

If we violate the principle laid by Paul in 1Tim.2:12, what would be the consequences, does the violator would be condemned by God?

[@lancemarchetti8673]

No, there is no condemnation found in scripture for permitting women to preach teach or lead God's people. All flesh will be destroyed, but the reborn Spirit is reunited with God after this life, irrespective of physical gender :)

[@invisibleman53]

@@lancemarchetti8673, if you don’t do God’s commandment then you’re sinning, so that’s it

[@theresaserentas9088]

I totally agree. As Catholic I can't stand the topic on women to become an ordained Priests because priesthood only for man not to women

[@EDD519]

it says NO !

[@rhemalithduncan8802]

Next to choice of music, to me, this is just another wall in the body of Christ. (1.) I'm a man and I served as a minister under a female pastor for 23 years. Her name was Viola Dixon. And during those 23 years, I personally witnessed dozens of people saved, healed, delivered, and helped. (2.) To me, it is as simple as, let the Holy Spirit raise up whoever He will, where He wants, and how He wants. (Joel 2 : 28) ... (3.) And let us ALL be cautious of murmuring against, cursing, and quenching a work of the spirit - just because a certain church or ministry has females in high positions of leadership. Their worship may appear unorthodoxed, but if God through Jesus Christ is being glorified --- I'd say carry on! Preach! Get the word out!... STOP waiting on a bunch of lazy, narcissistic, legalistic men - who make the word of non-effect through their local traditions!

[@dchaney5311]

How is it glorified if you’re going against the word? What you’re saying is that Viola Dixon can override the word of God and do it her way and it’s ok?. As long as the devil can keep you from doing what God has called you to do and to keep you off track, the devil knows the Bible too

[@rhemalithduncan8802]

@dchaney5311 There is ZERO denial of order here. ... (1.) BUT What you're saying is, "God can ONLY use women IN CERTAIN PLACES and CANNOT use them to carry and deliver TRUTH, and likely because TRUTH to you is "gender-flavored." Would you refuse truth because of WHO is preaching it???!!... That is NOT what Paul is saying at all. ... (2.) What I'm saying is -- You can pull a Pharisee spirit, being JUST a letter reader and be ineffective for God over the slightest aversion to eating pork. You get the point., - ‭2 Corinthians 3:4-6 KJV‬ [4] "And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: [5] not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; [6] who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." Don't call unclean or disorderly whom God has cleansed and uses... or you are welcome to judge what exactly is a work of the Holy Spirit and what isn't.

[@rhemalithduncan8802]

@dchaney5311 And by the way... ask yourself, "How would Satan cast out Satan?"... and Why would Satan be interested in saving, healing, and delivering people?... A woman pastor is not a work of the devil, bro. They exist, and just BE more AWARE of WHO exactly you are calling evil. There are clear warnings about such accusations.

[@DayOfAtonement1]

Thank you for the great review of 1Tim2 for the church. It is unclear, though, why Kevin discounted the Biblical model for applying it to politics. If the "reason" is Adam was formed first, doesn't that apply to all humankind (i.e., all positions of women over men, not just in the church)?

[@2Sage-7Poets]

such topic is all about creation.. not about womens role in the church..

[@tanzychatman6272]

My god is right i here that a pastor said that a woman should not

[@rykimcruz26]

Nope. because the Word of God is very clear on this matter. 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

[@romeochetri9934]

If God made man as the head of a family how can He make woman as the head of a big family ( church)?

[@romeochetri9934]

@@lindamariusministries8313 No doubt that in Christ Jesus everyone is equal but with regards to roles and responsibilities and not who is bigger or greater God has made man and not woman as the head of the family similarly Man is physically, emotionally , spiritually etc more capable to handle the responsibility of the bigger family (church).

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

"... a mother in Israel." -excerpt Judges 5 referring to Deborah the judge and prophetess. I suggest Judges 4 (and 5). Also know that a judge, according to scripture, had the authority to execute men. And there was no appeal to a judge's decision.

[@SolomoneTKoroi]

This topic is not a difficult topic. it is a very simple topic. Obedient is the key, by submitting to the word of GOD. it doesn't need our personal opinion.

[@lcoley291]

It's not difficult at all ................... In Deuteronomy 4:2 Moses declares, “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commands of the Lord your God which I command you.” The only way in which we can rightly “keep” God's commands is to not add or subtract from his word.. People try to make things what they want them to be to make them happy. That is exactly why the world is in the shape it is in now.

[@laureenjohnson9861]

What about KATHLYN KHULMAN? She was a preacher in the 70's

[@Imgrateful777]

Unfortunately, all +/- 43,000 denominations that exist today in 2023 were founded by men. Jesus did not instruct the disciples to go out and make denominations in all nations. He did not instruct them to make religions in all nation's. He commanded us to make disciples in all nations. So, why did men change what Jesus commanded us to do? You are spending all this wasted discussion on your theological opinions. We are all the church that faithfully trusts and abides all that Jesus commasnded us to do. The religions as exist today have become powerless due to not doing what Jesus instructed us to do. I am saved now for 39 years. I was in three separate churches for a 32-year period. One for 17 years, then one for 9 years, and the last for 6 years. As a man, I was part of leadership in all three. Until the day the Holy Spirit spoke to both my wife and I to get out of that 3rd congregation, as He had a plan for us in ministry His way. Meanwhile, in those congregations, I witnessed hypocrisy in them all. They all operated in no power. All 3 were a revolving door ministries as they brought the lost in, yet did nothing to disciple their flocks. They came in broken and left in many cases more broken or walked away from God. These ministries put no demand on teaching people the whole truth. The leaders wanted to promote a mans vision. Nothing put softball scriptures tossed at the flock.There was no demand that people be discipled. Only to get plugged into a small group or a helps ministry, to usher, join the music ministry, or the cleaning ministry. Because of this is why only a few will enter through the narrow gates! Many will enter through the broad gate. The pastors, teachers, and leaders will be held at a higher stand when in the presence of God at the judgment! When the rapture takes place, the so-called churches actually activity centers will remain and filled with the lukewarm left behind to endure the tribulation. Today, the widespread religions are no different than the religious leaders who had Jesus crucified! They followed their own vision, their own theology, taught by their own denomination! Calling Lord Lord snd I hope you know the rest! For my wife and I, we shall serve the Lord Jesus Christ and continue to make as many disciples as possible as our Savior Jesus has commanded us to do just that! Jesus is Lord!

[@robertd1652]

Every Christian should read, "In the Beginning: The Truth behind Genesis". All prohibition against women in leadership stem from the first three chapters of Genesis. The problem is we never teach or look at Genesis 5:2

[@larrypajanel7930]

God created Adam for Himself. God created Eve for Adam. God don't created Eve for Himself but for Adam.

[@robertd1652]

@@larrypajanel7930 I see your point, but did you read Genesis 5:2?

[@wendylang2360]

​@@larrypajanel7930 Interesting point - I have not seen this before in many videos I have watched on this subject. Thanks. 💒

[@deonrodden1124]

I do not entirely agree agree what's this whole presentation as told here. Women can pastor a church and even br Sr. Pastor under certain conditions.

[@Chron-sl4nd]

Humans' perception and emotion on all topics should never override God's Word. Women are essential to all churches. 1 Timothy 3:2 says "The office of a Bishop must be the husband of one wife" so no matter what anyone picks apart, in God's eyes, no female can be a husband.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

[@Kh-7777]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i you can’t twist scripture to fit your feminist point of view

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@Kh-7777 Pastors/shepherds existed in the Old Covenant and are mentioned in multiple books. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. Including Deborah. As it says: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet ******************************** When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2

[@busker153]

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Ephesians 4:11 This is the only verse in the New Testament that even mentions pastors. There are no qualifications given for any of these five gifts Jesus gave to His church. So, the answer to the question in the title is simple: The Bible says absolutely nothing about women pastors. Or man pastors, for that matter. Timothy and Titus contain the qualifications for the office of a Bishop and Deacon, but no mention is made of pastors in either location, as this passage is, again, the only one that mentions pastors at all. What does it say about women preachers? Well, ask Jesus. He commissioned the first preachers of the resurrection personally when He commanded the women to go tell the others (men, apostles, and Peter) who were assembled (the church) the good news (gospel). That is good enough for me. A direct act of Jesus Christ trumps any interpretation of Paul's inspired words for sure.

[@melleni]

🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@janetcrumley1217]

Well, humanity wouldn’t be where it is if Adam hadn’t been deceived, too! If Adam had told Eve to put the apple down and not eat it, he would have been showing the kind of leadership we need in the church today. And, Eve was created out of Adam’s side, that she would not lead him or be under him, but walk beside him as an equal.

[@mcneillmama50]

You have to view it in light of the ancient culture. The Jews had strict laws dealing with gender differences. The culture backed then believed if a man was seen speaking to women other than his wife he would go to hell. Women were not allowed to attend school so Paul instructed them to learn from their own husbands at home. If it's true based on one verse then what happens to other verses that illuminated women in very high roles in the churches. Deborah, Hulda and Miriam in the OT. In the NT Anna, junia, phoebe, Priscilla and Chloe. And men today are extrapolating their own rules that ban women from being ordained and licensed in the fields they are highly trained and able to perform as called by God. Jesus never silenced women.

[@elizaleski9618]

They seem like a sweet couple

[@aikozoe6598]

the Bible says women can teach and preach. just as men first of all there is no male no female in Christ Lord Jesus (gal 3;28). God doesnt look at us through flesh because those who look at the flesh are carnally minded (rom 8;5) secondly, in 1 tim 2 apostle paul talks about ONE woman to not teach one man. God is very specific and He does know how to use singular and plural form. when in the earlier verses paul was talking about modest dressing style when referren to women he used PLURAL form and then he talked about some issue we do not know about he used singular form. he forbade one woman to teach one man. he added that she was not to usurp authority over the man. of course! nobody can usurp authority over another person. men cannot usurp authority over women as well. men are to be submitted to their wives just as women to their husbands (eph 5;21), they are to walk in humility and die for their wives just as Christ died for the church (eph 5;25), if they want to be first they are to be slaves of all (mark 9;35). also priscilla taught a man, apollos (acts 18;26), we all are to teach and admonish one another (col 3;16). i repeat ALL in 1 cor 14;35 the verse talking about women not speaking in the church does not say that women are to be silent in the church and cannot preach. it talks about chatting of women thorugh which they were disturbing the service. in 1 cor 11 paul taks about women praying and prophesying in church so women did speak in the church. also, infamous jezebel was preaching in those times and she was deceiving people. Lord Jesus was correcting her about deceiving people and what did He say? He told her to repent... of what...of preaching and teaching? No! of her fornication. in 1 cor 14;26 we read that everyone who comes to the church meeting can serve the church whether it is psalm, doctrine, revelation. everyone is everyone. also in eph 4;11 we read that it is God who chooses apostles pastors prophets etc. Women are prophets chosen by God and the office of the prophet is mentioned in this verse next to the office of pastor or apostle or teacher. women are not excluded. all the offices are mentioned in the same verses. if women can be prophets they also can be pastors and teachers. these are just a few reasons women can teach and preach to men and be pastors so stop lying and deceiving people.

[@sonyajones1799]

Amen.

[@RonaldAnderson]

Paul told us that Phoebe was a leader (servant in the NASB, ESV, KJ) in the church. Romans 16:1-2 Paul also uses the same word to describeJesus in Rom 15:8. The Greek being diakonon, which strongs tells us this meaning of the word: 1249 diakonon, deacon, minister, servant Probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare dioko); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess) -- deacon, minister, servant.

[@tamaramalone-qj3hv]

Yes there's also Tabitha who was raised from the dead for all her good deeds, and Anna the prophetess who stayed before the Lord night and day with prayer and fastings. There's a list of 100 things that a woman can do besides that of what only men can do. And I'm a woman. We should have prayer meetings and guard the church bombarding heaven with prayers for the lost and new sheep, we can visit thewidows and orphans in their time of trouble, make food for the poor of their community help the single and unwed mothers help them train their kids up in God obeying scripture heck I can think of 1000 things a woman can do, make blankets for the poor via a sewing circle, visit the sick and shut-in. Make welcome packages for new members and visitors have prayer meetings lifting up the man of God for their church and pray for their communities and pray for the entire pastoral staff. And the list goes on

[@eyewitness6485]

God is not the author of confusion.

[@samuelmidzi8240]

Well look at this video transgressing the whole thing

[@maryannderbyshire2793]

Hmmm. Adam was not decieved? Please explain how he was not decieved by a woman.

[@Andysceptre]

Snake*

[@marcobiagioni]

Why did God make Deborah the judge of the people in her time if women could not sometimes have spiritual authority over men?

[@m.brelly6691]

Good question

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@m.brelly6691 M.Brelly and Marco B I wrote a short essay on Deborah should either of you have real interest.

[@boivargas5247]

Deborah is not a Pastor.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@boivargas5247 Yes she was, during the Old Covenant. From my short essay on Deborah: ...I commanded to feed my people... Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation

[@marcobiagioni]

I asked my pastor and the Lord anointed Deborah as the judge of the time as there was not a single man good enough in the Lord's eyes and that showed how far from God the people had come. My pastor said if a woman is a pastor teaching over men it should be until a suitable man has been raised and the female pastor should be looking to step into another role that is not teaching over men but as they have a gift of pastoring adapt to teaching in womens or childrens ministry. Hope this helps as it did for me.

[@kidjetrecon7153]

Simply no. Anyone that says differently will bring judgment on themselves and those who believe differently.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

The home and the church comments. That's my problem with saying Priscilla is not permitted to be the head of the husband unless she is outside evangelizing, that what you're asserting when you mention her name before her husband's, which is not always the case. Not to mention that they held church in the home, is she then permitted to hold authority over her husband as long as their is a church gathering?

[@everydayserenity7604]

I agree that men and women are given specific roles from God. However, my question is, is this something Paul didn't allow? Or is it something God does not allow?

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. Read time: 12 minutes postable here

[@jerusalem7576]

Thanks for good explanation as nowadays many would not like this but if God has chosen this structure.

[@maryblessing2205]

GOD the head Jesus Christ is above men Men above women It’s the way God and His creation Simple…..Simple…

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. Deborah was a Judge over Israel. She could judge homicide cases according to scripture. Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4

[@Mairiain]

The word here is not exousia (authority), but authentein. I'm disappointed that there wasn't any discussion about this hapax legomena, or, for that matter, how hysechia (silence) is translated elsewhere. These two words do not mean authority in its usual sense, or silence.

[@naturelover7433]

i thought i need to give God my opinion when i read the Bible. He was expecting for my obedience. Woman came from man. God governs the church with order.

[@rodneyreed133]

God never called a woman to preach, and he never will period

[@richardduncan455]

There’s a reason ALL 12 disciples/Apostles were men. Any women involved were helpers

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

Short answer: no

[@elaineerskine]

So...Eve was deceived and Adam wasn't? It seems to imply Adam knew what he was doing and sinned anyway. How does that make him wiser? It sounds like Cain took after his father.

[@frankthompson6503]

The bible book of Joel written word says. Joel chapter 2 v 28 to 32. v 28 And afterwards I will pour out my spirit on all people. Not just male but female. Your son's and daughters will prophecy your old men will dream dreams, your Young men will see visions. v 29 Even on my servants,both men and women l will pour out my spirit in those days. v 30 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fires and billows of smoke. v 31 v 32 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord ( Yahweh) Will be saved.

[@iambutdust2439]

Written for Israel during the tribulation

[@AngelsSucubus]

The perfect text in joel. Prophecy means to preach. The Bible also states that with God there is no male or female. The Word of God must be preached and God can use male or female.

[@iambutdust2439]

To Israel during the trib, not church

[@iambutdust2439]

1 Cor 14:1 is for all to prophesy!

[@koosvanpetten5567]

Ever asked yourself why there are so many different churches? Because people don't read their Bible, they are too proud to go to God and ask Him if they don't understand something. This is also written by God Himself in the Bible.

[@DorisFoote-cw8zn]

Notice you are saying Paul said. But what did God say..... God said their is neither male or female in God's eye sight.. Paul had hid own personal opion..... apostle Paul was simply a man in flesh. Yes God used him but he still like us had his on personal opion..

[@russellskinner6181]

And who taught Paul Jesus did and you are using a different passage on a different subject

[@gloriachambers1591]

Well how about Joyous Meyers is she a pastor n other weman preach.

[@larryatwell9734]

That women is of the devil....

[@ultrakool]

HE will be the HUSBAND of one WIFE. Nuff said

[@savinggracechurch4112]

Just like Christ is the head of the church. The church came out of His side as Eve came from the side of Adam.

[@Selah57]

I believe it would benefit Christian women and the church far better if the leadership would address the issue from the perspective of what women ARE designed and blessed and gifted to do in the “church” rather than mainly addressing this issue from the perspective of what women CANNOT do. Why must this almost always be made a negative, controversial issue? It is leaderships responsibility to nurture and lead and bless the women in the church.

[@elaineerskine]

Churches do come from that vantage point. Women get to make the refreshments, teach Sunday School, minister to other women in the church, supervise youth groups, clean the church, bring the flowers from their garden, take the donation plate around etc. We get the practical stuff and men get to stand around and talk, preach, offer the bread and wine and enjoy the refreshments. No worries, the women will clean up afterwards. It's designed because in OT times women were treated like domestic cattle or house pets. The men had the authority to marry their young women off to whomever the men thought was a good deal. Read Esters story. She was offered as a bride to a king and eventually saved her people once a queen but she had no say in it. This attitude carried over into Christianity because men considered themselves superior. The Bible was transcribed by men. When the KJV was written the translators unknowingly wrote the misogyny of their time into it.

[@russellskinner6181]

Deborah was not a pasture she was the only ever female Judge and there was a specific purpose for this Go back and read Judges

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Pastors/shepherds existed in the Old Covenant and are mentioned in multiple books. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. Including Deborah. As it says: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet ******************************** When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. ******************************** But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2

[@pumpmaster8143]

The law God first husband second wife third children fourth 🙏 without prejudice Jesus CHRIST said man is supposed to love his wife like Jesus CHRIST loves the church.

[@eternity412]

Eve committed a sin, and was punished by God for it. To say that all women continue to be deceivers is holding women accountable for the sin of Eve. Through Jesus, we are all forgiven of our sins, and a new covenant was established.

[@cathcolwell2197]

People resist this because men have abused their place of authority. Anyone, regardless of their gender, can screw up their place of authority, so women can screw up too. Still, God is good- his order and authority are peace and goodness. Believers should all respect each other. Whether out of what I’m used to or my respect and reliance on scripture, I am uncomfortable with women pastors, even when they seem to do a good job. In the end, I can only REST in scripture and the hope of Christ.

[@ElkinVigilant]

does the bible give any indication that timothy was a pastor to the church at ephesus?

[@JP-bn2ct]

How about a women who works with / for the male pastor in preparing sermons? Have heard some excellent and biblical sermons by women.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Deborah was a wife and mother. The Judges are described in scripture as pastors.

[@angelabell7254]

No women are not to be pastors or priests etc. That is the word of God. I respect what our Father says. Amen.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

... a royal priesthood... But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light... -excerpt 1 Peter 2

[@spiddyman0079]

even tho Eve was decieved Adam was worse off because he caused all of humanity to fall into sin. eve was indeed decieved and adam was overcome by his love for eve to share in her sin. its really a sad tale but hopefully we will make up for it by loving God and our neighbor because Jesus died for all of our sins as our own people were mocking him and thank you Jesus for giving us a pathway to redemption!!!

[@kellybrown6988]

I don’t think Adam ate the fruit bc he loved Eve so much. In the next verse he shifts the blame to Eve when confronted by God.

[@spiddyman0079]

@@kellybrown6988 well if i was confronted by God I would be scared and probably shift the blame to someone else.

[@spartaecus4546]

Shea's point about "not all men are qualified to being pastors" is a fair point, however it is a weak one. Some men are not qualified because of their standing with God and the church, but for women, according to this point of view, they are disqualified because of their gender. Hmm. That sound like Christ to you?

[@dreamEternal]

Yea I gotta say, it just doesn't sound like Christ. And reading that quote from Timothy where it says because Adam wasn't deceived - but he was, he did also eat the fruit. So it feels like there is more to reflect on here.

[@jesuslovesyou4634]

❤❤

[@russellskinner6181]

A woman is not allowed to have any authority over man from the beginning after the where God told the woman that the man would rule over her but it seems no one ever mentions or pay attention to this

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.

[@russellskinner6181]

Okay first a judge is not a priest nor a pastor other wise today every state superior federal or Supreme Court Justice is a pastor I assure you they are not Second the requirements in the old testament to be a priest were they had to be a levite in the line of Aaron and had to be male Read Leviticus Second if by any stretch Deborah was pastor (which she was not)she would have been at temple not mediating disputes under her tree. Also judges 4 calls a prophetess not a priest in the line of Aaron as it would have if it was so

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@russellskinner6181 Pastors/shepherds existed in the Old Covenant and are mentioned in multiple books. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. Including Deborah. As it says: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet ******************************** When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. ******************************** But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 ========================================= Full essay read time: 10 minutes

[@harryhamilton6155]

It must be written in the Bible that a woman can be a pastor or any office The most high god is a god of order and he is a god that change not

[@rockymountainprincess9078]

Where is it written scripture that a woman can be a pastor?

[@harryhamilton6155]

@@rockymountainprincess9078 it’s not written not in eny Bible Women are not too be a pastor or bishop but To learn from their husband at home 🏡

[@gentleall]

Firstly, what your stated is very clear but, as you can see people are going to "jump the shark" anyway. Secondly, the fact that people have made this a controversial topic, is a problem with "them" because God does not make mistakes, mankind does.

[@steveconn1375]

It's very 1 tim 22 v 14 it's very clear

[@razorbeard6970]

@@steveconn1375 The Bible records a change in practice or understanding of God. The fact female pastors aren't permitted is due to Scripture in the New Testament is a croc. Why weren't there female ministers in the Old Testament? Because the past showed females to be dependant on men legally. This Biblical opinion will be overturned broadly.

[@Charles73358]

Paul was not talking about women in the position of Pastor under the true faith of the kingdom of God through the Lord Jesus Christ if he did then it would contradict Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” What was going on at the time at the church at Ephesus was that Heresies was trying to take over the city and the church which was Gnosticism it was teaching the fact that Eve was created first before Adam and that Eve reigned spiritual Supremacy over Adam and Paul sent the letter to Timothy to address this problem the men were influenced by this heresy and therefore allowing the women to be over them teaching this false doctrine and also the women were being influenced by Goddess Diana's apparel and jewelry business which represents an occult symbol of idolatry. Amen 🙏!

[@Dilley_G45]

Galatians 3:28 is about salvation....it is not about qualifications or pastors. Using gal 3:28 to justify women pastors is ripping a verse out of context. How many more times to we have to go through this? It's settled. Gal 3:28....read it in context. Titus 1 IS about pastors....so is 1 Tim 2:11 1 Cor 14 :34 read especially where Paul says "as in all Churches of the saints"

[@Charles73358]

@@Dilley_G45 Don't be spiritually blind if you are born of the spirit you have to mind the things of the spirit Galatians 3:28 does not have to say the word Pastor if you are born again of the spirit then you discern by the spirit not after the flesh like what you are doing you are judging by what you see and the Bible says for we look not at the things which are seen but the things that are not seen for the things that are seen are temporary you have to be a follower of Christ in the spirit not in your own natural mind this is not politics the weapons of our warfare are not carnal !

[@Dilley_G45]

@@Charles73358 I won't repeat what I said. Your reply is not addressing the issue you're just gaslighting and insulting

[@Charles73358]

@@Dilley_G45 Well then you are destroyed for the Bible says that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge for they have rejected knowledge so I will reject my children says the Lord. You are warring after the flesh and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal the carnal mind is enmity against God and it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be. If you are warring against the flesh that means that you are under the law of sin and death the Mosaic law the Bible says that those that are under the law are under the curse. Your mentality is within the camp we that are truly born again we come unto Jesus without the camp and without the gate

[@Dilley_G45]

@@Charles73358 😆 I'm.more worried about you. You twist the word of God to try to justify heresy like women pastors. Sorry man. I was raised Lutheran. I know that the Bible says what it says and not what people want it to read. Paul clearly says women are NOT to be pastors and Galatians is ONLY about salvation. Now go and take the Bible and learn the word CONTEXT. Galatians is a great book with lots to learn from. And it never contradicts the rest of the Bible IF you know how to read your Bible. I suggest you watch "Fighting for the faith" "justandsinner" and "askthepastor" and "Bryan wolfmueller" for some solid biblical advice. It'll help you. Peace

[@DorisFoote-cw8zn]

Who birth Jesus, Joseph or Mary????????

[@ConcernedONETOO]

They should NOT be pastors or rule over men. The Bible is pretty clear, regardless of what a fallen society does. 1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefastness and sobriety; not with braided hair, and gold or pearls or costly raiment; 10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) through good works. 11 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection. 12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression: 15 but she shall be saved through [d]her child-bearing, if they continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety. Satan (who is sometimes on a long or short leash) is still using the women to draw more people away from Christ which is their only salvation for eternal life.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

[@ConcernedONETOO]

Deborah was an exception, NOT the rule and she was the ONLY woman made judge in over 300 years. This was to be a shock to all who saw it as there were no men to be found. If God cannot find the proper man (one that is not a coward or weak as society is more than happy to have nowadays) he uses a woman. In many instances it is a judgement on the people. Deborah is also introduced under Lappidoth's authority (who was her husband). God was shaming the men by giving this position to a woman. So, no, this does not give an open door to women ruling over men, which includes pastoring.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@ConcernedONETOO you wrote: If God cannot find the proper man (one that is not a coward or weak as society is more than happy to have nowadays) he uses a woman. There is nothing in Judges 4 and 5 about God looking for a man. There was no gender qualification to be a Judge over Israel. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. God speaking below: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet

[@raykidder906]

In my opinion, no discussion on this topic of whether or not women can serve as pastors is complete unless the male and female roles in human reproduction is also addressed. The human conception decision is a masculine role, and this responsibility is very much connected with turning all men into the role of quasi-pastors. After conception, the female has ethical responsibilities towards her husband to ensure the safety of the fetus in her womb. This is analogous to the dichotomy between the roles of physician and pharmacist in the administration of drugs for healing.

[@hopsterlynongkhlaw8521]

Forbidden women to teach as per Timothy 1st chapter 2 is the word of Apostle Paul not God

[@watcherwlc53]

The decision to conceive is masculine? Not mutual?? Can you think of the implications of that???

[@raykidder906]

@@watcherwlc53 A man can rape a woman to cause her to get pregnant. This is not ethical as a responsible man is supposed to get married to the woman first. The marriage decision is supposed to be a mutual and bilateral. The wife's role is more passive in conception and then more active afterwards as she can cause the pregnancy to end before the time of child birth. The man MUST(*) be willing to provide the sperm, which implies that he cannot claim the pregnancy was not his decision. OTOH, the woman's passive role means it was not her decision to get pregnant, but she accepted his decision to get her pregnant. A woman's unilateral decision to abort is much like the man's unilateral decision to start the pregnancy. *It seems possible the man could be unconscious and the sperm removed from him with a needle, or he was forced to have sex through a loaded gun being placed next to his head, but unless this was how the pregnancy started, he is the more responsible one for the conception.

[@raykidder906]

@@watcherwlc53 In addition to my statements about it is the man's decision to start the pregnancy, I think it is important to add that the complimentary male and female reproductive roles are likened to the complimentary roles of physician and pharmacist in the curing of diseases. The ultimate decision to eat the pills is done by the patient. For controlled substances, he needs a prescription from a medical advisor who is separate from the producer and seller of pills. The writer of the prescriptions must represent the objectives of good health rather than the objectives of feeling good. Likewise, the pastors who marry persons to ethically permit human conception must represent the responsibilities of the sex that makes the conception decision. Therefore, the job of pastor is masculine.

[@AngelsSucubus]

You want to tell me that a woman Pastor will be lost when Christ comes?

[@wellsdreamer8969]

Stop trying to understand God's word out of your flesh you need the Holy Spirit The devil is a liar God never said that

[@aphax777nukesRcool]

no

[@romeovelasco4151]

God can use anyone whom He chooses to use with His Holy Spirit indwelling in that person. Man is only different from woman biologically but not in terms of human potential. Whatever happened in the garden of eden was the product of their undoing. Adam must have known better than Eve but Adam was also deceived just like Eve. So, who is to blame, the devil? We have women pastors in our church not just because the men are incapable, but it God who calls for the heart of His true servants and disciples to respond to His calling...

[@melleni]

Agreed- thanks for sharing!

[@bradcruise5673]

Adam wasnt decieved eve was . We all men and women were deceived but like Adam on the flip side jesus chose to eat the fruit because he couldn't stand to be without his bride us the church took our sin. I have a view thats not in the bible but is historically and imperically true cultural influence. A young church Timothy himself was timid the masculine role there needed a boost they didnt know how because the worship of diana women overstating (idolatry)Spirtual stronghold that elevated thier identidy. Women there needed Spirtual cleansing men needed to protect women just like adam should of been there to protect Eve

[@HDtenor1]

Sure just ignore scripture

[@shandukanimuthige2331]

Bible is a true word of god, if we go against the bible it means we rebel against god, which is blasphemy against the holy spirit, Jesus said blasphemy against the holy spirit is unforgivable sin, mathew 12:30-32

[@fayea78]

But you couldn't answer why to the fact that women over the centuries who have responded to God's call as pastor. I'm sure there were many who could be misguided. Surely not all? How do you square that without discouraging women or making these women appear as if they were disobedient?

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@2Sage-7Poets]

it is paul's personal decision.. from the word I... an ownership for his decision.. because sharing or preaching the gospel is not about controlling men.. it is about to teach, to spread or simply to share Gods word..

[@ConcernedONETOO]

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. 21 For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

[@NS-my5ko]

Paul was very obviously misogynistic. Modern Christians seem to follow Pauline doctrine over what Jesus taught. I have a friend who studied Greek and told me that Paul made up several words in his letters and is the most difficult to translate in the NT.

[@marypat4536]

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[@dr.deverylejones1306]

GOD & His Word Jesus never said a woman cannot preach or teach The Word of God in church for Jesus knew Anna & His Mother Mary to teach His Word & never told them it is wrong by God for women to do this. FOR know Paul was speaking about situations as like "When a Man in church of God is teaching His Word correctly "Then Shall a woman/Wife remain silent" (let him do this) "And ask him any questions at home". This of Paul mean a (WIFE) who is at home here not for all women.

[@daviddavenport9350]

One the Spiritual highlights of my human life was to participate as a musician in the seating of one of the very first female Episcopal bishops in the USA.....it was a holy time.

[@anne5563]

I am not convinced about this matter based on your arguments. Sorry.

[@derekdoh4822]

God's order in creation is simple and clear. It is written: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." - 2 Corinthians 11:3. Without reference to1 Timothy 2:11-14 and 1Corinthians 14:34-38, this verse is enough to establish order in God's house; and I believe that the church is God's house. Therefore it does not matter whether the woman is married or not, and educated or knowledgeable or not, a God-fearing woman would never desire to play a role of leadership or implied authority over a man in God's house. She wouldn't do so, by commandment, any more than she should do so within the family: and the church is the extention or enlarged version of the family. However, since the nations of the world are not theocratic, standards and principles in the church may not be imposed on them. The commandments of God are for the willing to obey, and live by.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Deborah was a wife and mother. The Judges are described in scripture as pastors. A Judge could execute men for the certain sins, such as premeditated murder. Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did must be a false doctrine. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.

[@byronscherer4986]

Ephesians 5 , 1st Tim 3 prohibit women as Pastor/sheherd/ overseer of the church

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Deborah