How She-Hulk Went from a Knockoff to a Superstar

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@MariaVosa
@MariaVosa 2 жыл бұрын
While Byrne's She-Hulk was a bit too much at times, I loved her. As a teenage girl reading superhero comics I was starved for a female character who wasn't mainly romantic interest or simply serving as background character to a bunch of guys on a team (and solo superheroines were even more rare). And she loved being strong and powerful! A thing I like with your histories is how clear it becomes that invetning a character is just the first step. What makes the difference is the stories and arcs you give after that.
@kevinrhea7332
@kevinrhea7332 2 жыл бұрын
Ravage had long hair
@MariaVosa
@MariaVosa 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinrhea7332 ok...?
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 2 жыл бұрын
I always found Byrne’s villain team, the Headmen to be wonderfully unsettling. There was a dark body horror undercurrent to their surface level silliness.
@jonbodhi
@jonbodhi 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtaylor940 if it’s The Headmen I’m thinking of, they debuted inThe Defenders, years earlier.
@jonbodhi
@jonbodhi 2 жыл бұрын
You’re right. Wolverine, Swamp Thing under Alan Moore, and Superman, are all examples of characters who grew far beyond their creator’s intentions.
@Raatcharch
@Raatcharch 2 жыл бұрын
Byrne's FF run was what made me fall in love with comics as a kid. I've always liked She-Hulk as a result. Didn't know about the Slott run, but I'm putting it at the top of my TBR list right now.
@wolfprime
@wolfprime 2 жыл бұрын
There is a later, 12 issue run with the covers by Kevin Wada, written by Charles Soule and illustrated by a Javier Pulido that was my favorite take on the character. It came on the heels of the Fraction Hawkeye series and had that same street level, Everyman feel over the bombastic cosmic adventures, focusing on her practice, community and supporting cast. She goes up against Matt Murdock in court! Chris also forgot to mention that before the She-Hulk series Byrne wrote and illustrated a She-Hulk Marvel graphic novel. It had a serious tone and was more mature, titillating even and was a certified page turner to young, impressionable teenage Kevin.
@tonym.s7988
@tonym.s7988 2 жыл бұрын
One of my new favorite moments of She-Hulk history was when she "interrogated" Herman Schultz a.k.a The Shocker. As in, she brought him food, talked like good old friends, and the guy used his own vibro-shock guantlets to jolt his memories a bit.
@kevinrhea7332
@kevinrhea7332 2 жыл бұрын
Was there ever a ravage crossover?
@eastvandb
@eastvandb 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that one, too.
@WebbedManiac
@WebbedManiac 2 жыл бұрын
The funniest thing was that he runs as soon as she arrives at his doorstep. When she captures him and asks why he did so, he says that it's literally a supervillain rule that "If you see a Hulk, you run the other way"
@tonym.s7988
@tonym.s7988 2 жыл бұрын
@@WebbedManiac That should not be a supervillain rule. That's plain common sense.
@airbagged_
@airbagged_ 2 жыл бұрын
Still one of the most underrated channels on KZbin. Thanks for being a major part of how I got through this pandemic!
@rockkiall
@rockkiall 2 жыл бұрын
"please don't" - everyone when you proposed the Morbius tie in.
@joseffort7749
@joseffort7749 2 жыл бұрын
I used to buy Savage She-Hulk books when i was a kid because i was obsessed with the Hulk because of the TV show. But she became one of my favorites the first time i read Byrnes Sensational. That book blew my young teen mind. I also loved Gerbers work on Sensational.
@rickray1202
@rickray1202 2 жыл бұрын
I also really like the Charles Soule run, though like the Slott/Bobillo run, the art by Pulido can be a bit polarizing. Soule being an attorney himself, was really able to tap into that side and delivered some interesting situations for Jen to navigate. There's also a very endearing slice of life aspect to the great She-Hulk stories. Between her superheroic adventures, Byrne really let us get a peek at her life between missions. I would extend that descriptor to the current Rowell run which really is letting us see Jen be more human than hero. Her little "fight club" with Titania might be my favorite bit about the recent series.
@scottwherle
@scottwherle 2 жыл бұрын
Once the MCU started taking off, the two characters I most wanted to see were Moon Knight and She-Hulk. Never thought we’d get them, so it’s awesome we finally have. Can’t wait for this show. Looks like it’s gonna be a blast. Now…if we could just get a true, buddy cop-style Heroes for Hire show…
@ComicTropes
@ComicTropes 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a no-brainer. I hope they do it at some point.
@Swenglish
@Swenglish 2 жыл бұрын
If they do HFH, whether as a show or as supporting in Daredevil or something, it might end up being Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. That seems like the most organic choice based on the pieces on the board and the dots that have already been connected by the old department. I feel like Danny Rand is not going to be coming back in a major way. At this point, he'd just be "white Shang-Chi", and Kevin Feige is not big on redundancies, so if Rand does come back, it'll most likely be brief (a strong exit) and to set something up. And I doubt we'll see the version of HFH with Shulkie as co-lead. Meanwhile Luke and Jessica raising a child while doing HFH could be a cool premise, and Jen could guest star.
@eddiejoewalt7746
@eddiejoewalt7746 2 жыл бұрын
@@ComicTropes how about a episode on Joe Kelly one of the members of Man of action
@Nocturne22
@Nocturne22 2 жыл бұрын
I hope they reboot the Danny Rand character - the Netflix version was so godawful
@Swenglish
@Swenglish 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nocturne22 I'd rather see the fist passed to another character than see Danny Rand rebooted. It feels unnecessary to introduce extra continuity confusion when it can so easily be avoided. Bringing back Colleen Wing feels more worthwhile than a Danny Rand do-over. There were parts of the Iron Fist show that were interesting. Season 2 was pretty solid, even though Danny was the least interesting character in it.
@moondog548
@moondog548 2 жыл бұрын
As always your "timely" videos are not simple cash-ins but extremely insightful, informative, and entertaining as all get out!
@jeffry1961
@jeffry1961 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the John Byrne run of She-Hulk. It was fun and goofy. I have always been a fan of his art work and writing style.
@Frankenstein077
@Frankenstein077 2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@leespiderpod
@leespiderpod 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he always struggled drawing feet 😂
@Frankenstein077
@Frankenstein077 2 жыл бұрын
@@leespiderpod Am I missing something or are you confusing John Byrne with Rob Liefeld? Because, please, don't do that. Don't _ever_ do that... ;)
@jeffry1961
@jeffry1961 2 жыл бұрын
Rob Liefield is a Philistine.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
Keep him away from New Universe characters and I'll agree with that sentiment. Still haven't forgiven Byrne for what he did to Star Brand.
@ErgoComix
@ErgoComix 2 жыл бұрын
The She-Hulk run by Charles Soule and Javier Pulido is my favorite. It was such an interesting approach to the character and Marvel just left it to die.
@patrickmccabe2078
@patrickmccabe2078 2 жыл бұрын
I love Soules runs on She-Hulk and Daredevil. Zdarsky is doing great on DD but Soule was/is an actual lawyer and he just gets the courtroom of it all. Now I want to see a better call saul/mcu crossover. Murdock and Walters v Goodman and Wexler.
@KatAspen
@KatAspen 2 жыл бұрын
This intro was personally my favorite one in a while. It felt classic, but with the charm of higher quality editing. I will never not love this channel.
@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D
@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D 2 жыл бұрын
4:51 will forever be one of the most *epic* moments in _Comic Tropes_ history! (I like to think it's because he's still just *barely* holding it in from trying not to break during the last joke.)
@randy_stone
@randy_stone 2 жыл бұрын
I rewatched that moment several times. It was a great, goofy episode overall. :)
@dezkarcy
@dezkarcy 2 жыл бұрын
Your Stan Lee impression is pure gold . lol
@rn6312
@rn6312 2 жыл бұрын
Wait.. that wasn't Stan himself? OMG! lol
@dezkarcy
@dezkarcy 2 жыл бұрын
@@rn6312 🤣
@Oddlogical
@Oddlogical 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this episode a lot. I was familiar with She-Hulk's original run, the John Byrne-started solo series, and her time with the Fantastic Four and Avengers, but not with the later series she's had. I'm glad for this information! Thanks, Chris!
@jamesduncan6729
@jamesduncan6729 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm sorry, WHAT?" He's hulking out, everyone take cover! 😱
@bigneon_glitter
@bigneon_glitter 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the John Byrne _She-Hulk_ series back in the day. Ahead of it's time. Been saying for 25 years that it's weird David E Kelley didn't adapt it.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
Too right. 4th wall humor years before Deadpool was doing it, and She-Hulk did it better.
@StrummervilleDM
@StrummervilleDM 2 жыл бұрын
I always considered Ally McBeal to be the best live action She-Hulk series we would ever get. I hope Disney prove me wrong!
@MWhaleK
@MWhaleK 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, a short scene that has Denny Crane (William Shatner) and Alan Shore (James Spader) face off against She Hulk in court would be perfect. Denny of course be She Hulk's main opponent since he has... experience dealing with Green Women.
@ricconway8719
@ricconway8719 2 жыл бұрын
Nice quick run-down of She-Hulk's history. The Byrne run of FF is one of my favorites, and the current She-Hulk book with Jack of Hearts has been a lot of fun so far. Thanks for all your consistently good work!
@MichaelPremsrirat
@MichaelPremsrirat 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, hi! You caught me leaving a comment. Speaking of comments... you are killing it with your intros!
@UnseenJapan
@UnseenJapan 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, just want to mention how on-point your Stan Lee impression is - enjoy it every time you break it out!
@badbabybear1
@badbabybear1 2 жыл бұрын
She-Hulk is a fun comic and underrated character. Glad she's finally getting her own live-action adaptation.
@BecomingAPsych
@BecomingAPsych 2 жыл бұрын
"But, we're not here to talk about Ravage and how cool he is" LOL 😂
@shawndavis8827
@shawndavis8827 2 жыл бұрын
That's for next week, right?
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
He's no Ulysses Solomon Archer, that's for sure. :)
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. You did miss a fairly accessible foundational She-Hulk Story. If you'll remember in the early 80's Shooter started putting out a line of painted square bound, what we would later call Prestige Format "Graphic Novel's". These were entirely different from collected Trade Paperbacks. These were 1 shot larger format stories. Marvel Graphic Novel #1 was the Legendary "Death of Captain Marvel". #4 Was "The New Mutants" the origin and first appearance of the team. #5 was "X-Men God Loves, Man Kills". So some really good stuff in this line. #18 was She-Hulk by John Byrne. It is an awesome stand alone story. And is very much what would turn out to be the bridge story between Fantastic Four and her ongoing Byrne title. It's She Hulk trapped on a (the!) SHIELD Helicarrier fighting a horde of radioactive mutant zombie possessing's cockroaches created by Banner's original Gamma Bomb. It also features the death of a major Marvel Character. The Original Helicarrier. Prior to this story there was only 1 built. With the only other one, a second Heavily Armored variant called the Behemoth used to fight Godzilla, ever seen.
@wolfprime
@wolfprime 2 жыл бұрын
Little bright eyed innocent me had his wig blown back by the She-Hulk graphic novel. After getting into the character as a member of the FF it was natural to follow her since she’d grown on me. And as a dyed in the wool John Byrne fan there was no way I was missing that book! Ah, puberty . . .
@cthulhupthagn5771
@cthulhupthagn5771 2 жыл бұрын
@@wolfprime you know, that graphic novel had a special place for me too. At the time I had flipped through it and was grossed out and Blown Away by the Cockroaches. To be fair, I've always had a problem with bugs. But for the longest time I thought that was something that I either imagined or was mixing up with another character. I couldn't find it anywhere not even a reference to it. Then a couple of years ago I went into a junk store / consignment shop and of all miracles they had a used copy of it. I was happy to reread the thing that traumatized me as a kid when I saw it on the Shelf at waldenbooks, I'm glad to find out that I wasn't imagining it
@tonybaggett1984
@tonybaggett1984 2 жыл бұрын
It’s impossible for this channel to make a bad video. Absolutely entertaining and incredible every time.
@Kevin_Street
@Kevin_Street 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, your channel is so much fun! I love your videos. And speaking of fun, I used to really enjoy the various John Byrne runs on She Hulk. He made me a fan of the character. I haven't read the Slott run, but from your description here it sounds like a worthy continuation and worth checking out. One reason She Hulk succeeded despite her beginnings as a copyright placeholder is because she had no iconic status quo that had to be returned to after every deviation. Her cousin started as a tortured loner and despite everything he goes through he always returns to being a tortured loner. Jennifer Walters is under no such restriction, so she's been allowed to develop over time.
@blackphoenix77
@blackphoenix77 2 жыл бұрын
I loved Dan Slott's run on She-Hulk; the show seems to be drawing heavily on that version. P.S. I've heard that the Tarzan/Lone Ranger cartoon in the 1970s was going to introduce a character called Spider-Woman; that was the main reason why Marvel rushed out the original Spider-Woman to secure the copyright. The cartoon version wound up being called Web Woman.
@uncannydcmarvelous5732
@uncannydcmarvelous5732 2 жыл бұрын
They did said its based on both that and the John Byrne run.
@mikemorro140
@mikemorro140 2 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Wilson i remember her saying she read at least the Byrne stuff
@101Mant
@101Mant 2 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy these videos, and been a big She-Hulk fan for a long time. So glad they have here back to her classic self in the comics, the way they handled her in Avengers comic was just so badly done. Not just how they portrayed her, but the issue where she is confronted with her past incarnations was clearly a deliberate middle finger to those versions, the fans and creators. Attempting to retcon a core established part of her personally on loving her She-Hulk body and personality into her secretly hating it. You can do something new and respect the old stuff (see Immortal Hulk) but this was clearly a writter using the comic to attack people who didn't like what he was doing and how he was superior to the previous writers. I haven't read Avengers since, worse comic I've read in many years beacuse it was so unprofessional.
@spencerwelchii573
@spencerwelchii573 2 жыл бұрын
What issue/issues is that in? I kinda want to read them.
@YourEvilHenchman
@YourEvilHenchman 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the more comedic tone of this video, a good fit for talking about She-Hulk. The Hawkeye-Hawkman slip-up & editing joke made me ⏪ the video to watch it again, great little visual gag. Also thx so much for highlighting the Slott run, that was one of the books that got me back into reading comics. Keep up the great work!
@jimschleich8753
@jimschleich8753 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on a great character, or a character who has evolved to greatness. I got in when Peter David, famous writer-of-stuff took over the title but was able to back fill from Bargain Boxes (Does anyone remember laughter? I mean Bargain Boxes, does anyone remember Bargain Boxes? Sorry Mr. Plant). I'm a big fan of bringing the Funny back to Funny Books, so much of her runs hit THAT. Thanks Chris!!
@minipaintermatt
@minipaintermatt 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your professionalism but personal touch with these videos. I’m always learning and have been down the rabbit hole with so many bizarre characters.you truly are one of a kind in this business
@cthulhupthagn5771
@cthulhupthagn5771 2 жыл бұрын
I agree totally, the only thing that kind of gets me is that in decades past comic companies used to have a bigger focus on continuity, so you would constantly have these little asterisks on a page that would direct you to read a different comic for more information about what was being referenced. And Marvel in particular had the bullpen, a one-page section in every comic that outlined what was coming, what was on the shelf, and some feedback from the people that worked at Marvel always with a comedic eye. When I was but a young lad with my allowance burning a hole in my pocket, I would often go to the nearest Newsstand and dig through what was on the rack looking for the comics reference from the last Comics I bought. Most of what constituted my collection all the way through to college grew organically as a result of that. These days every comic is written to be part of a four to six issue story arc to make it perfect for a trade, Comics get killed off way too early before they can build any kind of lasting fan base, and there are so many new writers being brought in that it's rare that you see any kind of actual continuity even among stuff currently being released. Not saying that what comes out isn't good sometimes, but I kind of miss that whole deep dive aspect of buying a comic. I could spend my $0.60 and read a 32-page story, but if I wanted to get the full picture I needed to buy another comic out at that time, two Comics that came out a few months ago, and be sure to pick up some Comics coming out next month just to get the full picture and I miss that terribly
@ec_me
@ec_me 2 жыл бұрын
The day is here, we finally got a Hulked out Chris!
@sondrehimmelrikbarstad3414
@sondrehimmelrikbarstad3414 2 жыл бұрын
i like that your videoes are low stakes, light mooded and positive. every time i wanna smile i put one of your videoes on
@leorblumenthal5239
@leorblumenthal5239 2 жыл бұрын
I am a huge fan of the Dan Slott/Juan Bobillo run on She-Hulk. I was working as a paralegal at the same time the book was coming out, and could really relate to the legal part of the series.
@Nono-hk3is
@Nono-hk3is 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris!
@i10i60
@i10i60 2 жыл бұрын
I saw the intro and I liked. This is the first, of what I believe will be many more, videos I've seen of yours. Great video.
@mattwalters3536
@mattwalters3536 2 жыл бұрын
This is consistently one of the best youtube channels regarding comics. Keep up the good work.
@faherty87
@faherty87 2 жыл бұрын
haha I was dying to see if you did the full episode in green, it would have been so surreal. The Dan Slott run used to be in one of the more general English reprint title my brother used to get when I was young. The cartoon style put me off but I'd like to give it another go after watching this
@andrewweisbrod4506
@andrewweisbrod4506 2 жыл бұрын
That was genuinely one of your best segues yet.
@ShogunZIlla
@ShogunZIlla 2 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty awesome how she has been on most of the major Marvel super hero teams except the X-men, and she was teammates with many of them when she was in a-force
@mozzzca
@mozzzca 2 жыл бұрын
Around the time it was published, I think that John Byrne's She Hulk was the funniest comic I've ever read. I was a teenager and was just beginning to know Marvel's characters, and I remember thinking about what goes on at the backstage of comics for the very first time, due to the constant interactions between Jen and Byrne, along with other Marvel associates. That comic really stuck with me from that time on. Recently a bought an Omnibus and I was a little afraid that all the jokes and puns were dated, or not as funny as I remember now that I am an adult, but I've sincerely had a great time revisiting it.
@garymckay2929
@garymckay2929 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris! Do you think you could explore the change in overall art through out the years of comics? I’ve always noticed that the art today is so much more detailed and properly shaded and what not and wondered what caused that change. Is it because artists during this are just over all better than yesterdays (including the same artist who just improved) or is their another reason like a cultural shift of some sort that caused the change in art style today?
@chillis9056
@chillis9056 2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of it has to do with the technology available at the time, but that is a good idea for a video to go further in depth
@garymckay2929
@garymckay2929 2 жыл бұрын
@@chillis9056 thanks. That makes a lot of sense
@choosecarefully408
@choosecarefully408 2 жыл бұрын
@@chillis9056 Yep. Chris _did_ do a feature of Brian Bolland's work, & he uses digital tech exclusively now I believe.
@billyheaning
@billyheaning 2 жыл бұрын
This comment needs more exploration because I literally organized an old box of comics I found last night, most of it from the 90s. There were probably about ten or fifteen "indie" comics that were 100% 90's Image style (which arguably snuck its way into Marvel and DC too after Image took off), and the artwork -- while mind-blowing when I was 12 -- is just really, really, really bad knock-offs of Liefeld and Jim Lee. I noticed that sometime in the 2010's the artwork started to take on a photorealistic, almost cinematic look (Daredevil is the one that really stood out to me then). I stopped collecting comics about 15 or 16 years ago and just now recently got back into the scene. I actually prefer the modern, photorealistic, straight lines, attention to monotonous details, and lack of zippers, pouches, arm-bands, ridiculously huge collars, and blobulous zap guns.
@ComicTropes
@ComicTropes 2 жыл бұрын
It could be interesting, Gary. But there’s also a short answer: printing technology is always getting better. The artist draws the level of detail that can be reprinted. Any more and it would be muddy.
@viciousshadiart
@viciousshadiart 2 жыл бұрын
She-Hulk is one my faves, so naturally I clicked on the notification so fast. Always appreciate the work you put into every subject! Hope you have a lovely week 🌟
@VonDEWS
@VonDEWS 2 жыл бұрын
I like the 12 issue run She-Hulk had by Charles Soule and Ja⅝vier Pulido... it's an interesting approaching, too!
@ComicTropes
@ComicTropes 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, underrated.
@atwarwithsatan27
@atwarwithsatan27 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode! Im really looking foward to the tv show, I love the comedic tone the gave her, fits the character
@slothman1016
@slothman1016 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Slott's Shehulk run made me a fan of both him and the jade giant for life!
@thomasgurburger7580
@thomasgurburger7580 2 жыл бұрын
Every video you make is instant watching for me. Keep them coming!
@gordonwhitney6052
@gordonwhitney6052 2 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia, Marvel hastily created Spider-Woman when they learned about a cartoon Filmation had in development. Said cartoon had to be heavily revised after Marvel got the copyright on the Spider-Woman name but eventually did air as Web Woman - part of Tarzan & The Super 7.
@atlasallen-manning6092
@atlasallen-manning6092 2 жыл бұрын
Man I love your videos always an informative deep dive
@ARAGORN115
@ARAGORN115 2 жыл бұрын
Valeu!
@enik2006
@enik2006 2 жыл бұрын
I am ready for the Ravage 2099 episode. "Laser hands!" 🤣 "armed with some street garbage, including a Chevy hubcap"🤣 "dump truck of justice" 🤣
@TheNarutodude1995
@TheNarutodude1995 2 жыл бұрын
HOW COULD YOU SLASH MY HOPES OF MORE MORBIN
@spencerwelchii573
@spencerwelchii573 2 жыл бұрын
I really loved Bryne's FF run and Sensational She-Hulk, I picked up issue 1 of the new series and became a trade-waiter for this series. I'll have to look into Slott's stuff as I like how the new show looks. Love your vids Chris!
@Naf1400
@Naf1400 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. My favourite she hulk run was John Byrne's
@danielwhite4052
@danielwhite4052 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris I enjoyed this metatextual look at the unique corner of the marvel universe. The comics as admissible evidence is an interesting twist.
@d36williams
@d36williams 2 жыл бұрын
Your "Stan Lee" voice is spot on; I really liked Spider-Man 2099, it had great art, very stylistic, interesting stories. The push to interweave other 2099 titles hurt it
@leorianr
@leorianr 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the insight into the character's story and development. Is not just the creator, is more about the string of artists that develop it throughout the eras.
@colejohaar83
@colejohaar83 2 жыл бұрын
4:37 the dump truck of justice is new nickname for nightwing
@SJKPJR007
@SJKPJR007 2 жыл бұрын
Great work yet again Chris, thank you. As informed and considered as ever. Love your content.
@choosecarefully408
@choosecarefully408 2 жыл бұрын
While generally I agree, I'm noticing more of what I call "The Byrne Phenomenon" here. Chris is talking about how "the character" developed. Umm, no. The character didn't develop herself. Had Byrne not done what he did, we don't get the She-Hulk of today. As he pointed out, we may not even have gotten Deadpool. Comics became able to support stores entirely by themselves after their popularity sky-rocketed in the late '70s, early '80s. The #1 selling title then? X-Men. No close second. Wolverine? The original artist of the new X-Men didn't like him & *Byrne* made Chris Claremont focus on him more, basically by being the co-plotter almost from the get-go. Those guys worked on Marvel Team-up & the cancelled Iron Fist. In the last issue of that, Byrne was making his influence known. They depicted Colossus & Nightcrawler walking down the street with the latter saying "I won't be using my image-inducer anymore." (NC used it to appear like a normal human). Byrne wanted to reduce the spotlight on him that Dave Cockrum focused far too much on him & shift it onto Wolverine. _Byrne_ gave Wolverine the characterization everyone now loves. So; We have evidence that Claremont used ideas from his artists & wasn't even responsible for all the writing people credit him with, & evidence as well that the changes *Byrne* made were The Reasons for the success of _Claremont's_ supposed work. Hmm. He changed the FF, Superman, She-Hulk *and his changes **_STUCK!_* In the '90s, Marvel had a run of "'Nuff Said" comics spanning all of Marvel. It was a challenge to all creative teams to create one issue told with no or almost no dialogue or even captions. _Before_ that, Byrne had already done this with a story called "The Many Deaths of The Bat-Man" that had many pages where the only dialogue was Commissioner Gordon saying quietly "get out." Byrne showed them it could be done. & you know what he gets for all these things? The companies always try to interfere, the fans simply think of him as a commercial artist with an easily identified style, & the changes he makes that everyone enjoys? They get credited to "having happened" as if it was Their Own Growth & he was at most an accessory. As if he was some passive element in all these things. There is No Person *more directly responsible **_for_* the popularity of comics from the late '70s until now than John Byrne. _No_ one.
@brentclark658
@brentclark658 2 жыл бұрын
I of course watch every video, but this one was really well-done and informative. Keep up the amazing work!
@d36williams
@d36williams 2 жыл бұрын
I remember talking about She Hulk with a bartender friend of mine in her 40s now. She was a huge fan of She Hulk explicitly. I hadn't realized it but She Hulk did great finding its target audience in comic books. There are some real fans of the character; I like her... but I'm talking about people ready to buy all the merch when it hits. Before the Marvel movies, I think She Hulk was more popular than Iron Man
@alepan5980
@alepan5980 2 жыл бұрын
I am not a fan of Slott, but you just convinced me to buy his She-Hulk run. Congrats! You get a no-prize! (Yes I’m aware that a no prize was given for spotting continuity errors, but I had to present some sort of award! Give me a break guys! 😜)
@jmace2424
@jmace2424 Жыл бұрын
I love Savage and Sensational She-Hulk! I started them this summer and just had a blast!
@gayrozayppeli8431
@gayrozayppeli8431 2 жыл бұрын
The completely out of the blue mention of Morbius jumpscared me lmao
@snacklunch5607
@snacklunch5607 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Soule/Pulido run! Some awesome artwork with a great cast (HellCat! Howard the Duck!) and awesome storylines (Honey I shrunk the Superheroes?! Cap on trial for murder?!) One of my favs!
@snacklunch5607
@snacklunch5607 2 жыл бұрын
I now see someone also said this haha
@ShogunZIlla
@ShogunZIlla 2 жыл бұрын
So underrated. Deserves its own video honestly!
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
She did fight Doctor Bong. Of course Howard the Duck is going to show up too.
@wolfprime
@wolfprime 2 жыл бұрын
@@snacklunch5607 it deserves repeating!
@ZenkaiBoostx
@ZenkaiBoostx 2 жыл бұрын
Some good CGI you’re using in this episode Chris ! Always good to see a new video
@jessepearson557
@jessepearson557 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome episode and comics history - can’t wait for the show! 😁👍
@Gangerworld
@Gangerworld 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get this guy more views somehow? Such great content!
@zoltanbereczki7162
@zoltanbereczki7162 2 жыл бұрын
Love the stache man, great video as always.
@douglasphillips5870
@douglasphillips5870 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I like about the early She Hulk is that she was a criminal lawyer. She was dedicated to justice before she had powers, and the powers allowed her to be more of what she already was. I think a good storyline for her would to put her on a hero team as the legal expert. She would still fight evil, but she would also protect the team in legal issues.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
Nuts. Byrne's run with She-Hulk may have established her as something really different and worth reading for a lot of people, but even the original run of the book was pretty enjoyable past the stereotypical Stan Lee first issue. She was never a straight Hulk knock-off, and even less so after she opted to stay green full time. Yeah, she had a bunch of C- and D-lister enemies in the early days but the stories were fine, at least on par with the kind of work we were seeing in Power Man & Iron Fist, Ms. Marvel, the Defenders and the Champions. Sure, she's gotten much better over the years, but that's no reason to diss the original run.
@michaellombardi1620
@michaellombardi1620 2 жыл бұрын
I've been curious about this era of She-Hulk for years, but never got around to reading them
@joelgreenlee9421
@joelgreenlee9421 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the Charles Soule run. If you hadn't read it yet I'd suggest it highly. It is more of a comedy book there. It was fun seeing her going up against Matt Murdock in a case. Good stuff!
@jlaff98
@jlaff98 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the current run and I want to go back and read some older runs the show looks awesome
@grantbaugh2773
@grantbaugh2773 2 жыл бұрын
I don't have anything specific to add here, I just enjoyed the video and want to boost the algorithm
@stevenwalden2789
@stevenwalden2789 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video yet again, Chris! Also highly enjoying the D+ show!
@Wild4Hockey
@Wild4Hockey 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to reading more about this character.
@peterlinfield
@peterlinfield 2 жыл бұрын
The only She-Hulk I've read was the Soule/Pulido run and I really enjoyed it. I'm not a huge fan of Soule's writing, but it was super charming and fun. Pulido gets unfairly maligned for his work, but I like it quite a bit. Definitely want to check out more.
@ShogunZIlla
@ShogunZIlla 2 жыл бұрын
That is my favorite thing Soule has done, and the art fit the the tone of the book once You got used to it. The supporting cast were great and it’s a bummer both they and the series don’t get the recognition they deserve...
@wolfprime
@wolfprime 2 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite take on Jen as well. Only strengthened by my love of Pulido’s simple style. I’d say it’s reminiscent of Toth, Ditko and especially, Steve Rude.
@joseelizondo3647
@joseelizondo3647 2 жыл бұрын
I've read some WW Hulk Era stuff and the occasional major event (civil war and fear itself) but man now I want to get more into She hulk!
@nerdfatha
@nerdfatha 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@will_sketch
@will_sketch 2 жыл бұрын
That is one hell of a Stan impression, bravo!
@susanhillwig5784
@susanhillwig5784 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the Byrne era of She-Hulk, and I've been enjoying greatly her new series, but I missed Dan Slott's run. Glad to know they're in trade, I'll have to hunt them down!
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much Harvey Birdman Attorney At Law influenced Dan Slott's decision to make She-Hulk primarily a lawyer with meta elements? It came out four years before the comic.
@bradsnow6403
@bradsnow6403 2 жыл бұрын
Bryne's run had a lot of meta elements, he was probably more influenced by that.
@horizonbrave1533
@horizonbrave1533 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, Oh hai you caught me breaking the fourth wall. Your efforts, research and time are much appreciated buddy! Can't say I was ever a fan of she hulk.....hell I wasn't a fan of main line hulk.. but I do appreciate the character.
@RobbyRSmith
@RobbyRSmith 2 жыл бұрын
A great overview & analysis of She Hulk's history & popularity. Slott's She Hulk is arguably her best run & can either be read as 2 hefty TPB or one even heftier omni. But another overlooked and Stellar run is She Hulk's 2014 12 issue run by Charle's Soule & Marcos Martin & various. It follows pretty much on the premise of Slott's rin but now Walter's opens up her own (struggling) law office and is faced with the challenge of winning high profile super powered centric cases with much fewer resources & the stories are informed by Soule's background as a lawyer. This 12 issue run would be my second choice as a definitive She Hulk collection, though her 2022 series is showing a lot of potential to be a memorable take on the character too.
@tedrohe9048
@tedrohe9048 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Helpful and insightful on this amazing B list character. It's giving me a greater appreciation for the 2nd Solo run that I collected but I didn't like at the time.
@christianmulligan9719
@christianmulligan9719 2 жыл бұрын
Man I always look forward to your videos, you've always got a great take and your presentation always keeps it interesting, love the channel!
@zoidsin5312
@zoidsin5312 2 жыл бұрын
Just banger video after banger video love this mans channel
@johnnyslider9456
@johnnyslider9456 2 жыл бұрын
Another great episode loving the moustache Chris I think it looks great 👍🏻
@imdoneplus
@imdoneplus 2 жыл бұрын
She-Hulk was the first book I ever got via a mail subscription. It was my mom’s idea but ultimately I was totally on board. The MadCap issue blew my mind and I’ve been a lifelong fan. I hope the show is good but not matter what She-Hulk is an all time favorite.
@zillygooz7832
@zillygooz7832 2 жыл бұрын
I love the John Byrne run.
@patrickhughes4914
@patrickhughes4914 2 жыл бұрын
I became familiar with she hulk more for her time with the FF than her solo comics. I always liked her.
@manologamercc
@manologamercc 2 жыл бұрын
Best comic book channel
@diamonddylanpage7150
@diamonddylanpage7150 2 жыл бұрын
I did not care for She-Hulk in the Avengers and secret wars (80's) I distinctly remember her saying "like tubular to the max" . Much better in FF
@rojaws1183
@rojaws1183 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best oh hi gags yet.
@TheReverendRadioShow
@TheReverendRadioShow 2 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to your videos!
@EvanBerry.
@EvanBerry. 2 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent Stan Lee impression, Chris!
@johnnythewicked
@johnnythewicked 2 жыл бұрын
Your end credits song slaps!
@ricardoredway
@ricardoredway 2 жыл бұрын
so she hulk needs to say its morbin time! whenever she hulks out-thats wild canon.
@andrepaul3483
@andrepaul3483 2 жыл бұрын
Jen's like my favourite Marvel character. I have John Byrne,Dan Slott,Charles Soule & actress Eliza Dushku(she voiced her in Hulk and The Agents of SMASH animated series) to thank for that. Also,is the cookie dough parallel a Buffy reference? Lol. AWESOME video as always,man.
@jeremysmith4620
@jeremysmith4620 2 жыл бұрын
I am personally looking forward to "Green, Fangs, and Gavels" the new courtroom based vampire drama coming from Disney+. We all know lawyers are a pain in the neck, but when Dracula becomes the lead prosecutor for NYC, lawyer She-Hulk and her new private detective and expert witness on Vampires, Morbius, get up to legal hijinx next fall on Disney+'s hottest new show, "Green, Fangs, and Gavels!"
@pickedceasar1216
@pickedceasar1216 2 жыл бұрын
Green Blind Fangs sounds like a good name for a Law firm if you add Daredevil
@vargsvansify
@vargsvansify 2 жыл бұрын
Morbjection your honor!
@wolfprime
@wolfprime 2 жыл бұрын
I’d watch this until my eyes fell out.
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