A She-Hulk Fangirl Complains about She-Hulk: Attorney at Law

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I've always been a She-Hulk fan but her Disney+ show leaves a lot to be desired, honestly.
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[@UncleSilverGaming]

I agree with literally every issue brought up in this video. One thing that REALLY made me not like Jen was in the first episode (I think), Bruce mentions how she doesn't want people to see her as a monster, and it was clear that he was touching on something incredibly personal, but she just brushed it off and didn't even acknowledge or even notice this serious aspect of the trauma he's endured. People keep defending this as either a comedy or a courtroom drama, but comedies are funny and courtroom dramas are compelling, and I honestly don't think this show is either of those.

[@arinloche858]

Yeah the show is incredibly tone deaf

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

Some people are even defending it as meta commentary where the one dimensional depictions are commentary on the audience, and the people who don't like the show. All because Jessica Gao is involved in writing the show. Which means that even the women that don't like this show are just sexists, and despite these same audience members showing up for just about every other MCU movie. Making it raise the question, does Disney just absolutely hate their audience regardless of sex or race?

[@RollingDodge]

​@@HeavyMetalJesus02 , I agree, this is why I'm glad for because it exists we can easily watch or read reviews. There's too many shills and fluff pieces on this garbage show. I go to read about it's annoying when they chalk up negative criticisms to "trolls", the "alt-right", "incels" etc. But it's funny regardless of if any of that was true or false (which is false), it still doesn't address what's said about the show, or mean that the criticism is wrong.

[@beauwalker9820]

@@RollingDodge but even YT is starting to be against free speech, and trying to control the algorithm. That's why they got rid of the "dislike" button. Not to protect people's feelings, but to protect corporations, and their products/shows.

[@boboboy8189]

@@HeavyMetalJesus02 if I'm not wrong recently there's Disney insider talking about Disney current regime is doing movies and tv shows for everyone. He said this shows is for neo-feminist as the main audiences. While Ms marvel is for south Asian audiences.

[@KelShu]

*Jen* : Bruce, I'm a woman, my life is way harder than yours. *Bruce* : My dad killed my mom when I was a child, I survived a gamma radiated experiment gone wrong, I was hunted down by the government and was forced to hide my identity, I tried to kill myself, I was mentally manipulated into attacking a city, I lost two years of consciousness while being on another planet, and I lost two chances at being in a loving relationship. *Jen* : Yeah, but you don't have to deal with catcalling.

[@michaelfireheart8300]

*Bruce* : Oh really, don't you have a picture of my co-worker's ass on your phone, plus didn't you twerk with Meghan Thee Stallion? *Jen*: T-THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT!!!

[@cosmicspacething3474]

*you dont

[@KelShu]

@@cosmicspacething3474 oh sorry, I missed a word

[@disappearingangel4972]

That's what I'm saying. Bruce was on the run to avoid getting killed or worse but where was Jen? Living a comfy life and pursuing law

[@quietopinion9637]

doesn't make her point less valid as seen in this comment section right now

[@patrickbuckley7259]

Two Words; Cultural Vandalism... The original She-Hulk was all about making woman feel powerful and heroic. The TV she Hulk is all about making them see themselves as powerless victims.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Well said!

[@danielgiovanniello7217]

That's basically how modern Disney views female characters in the media lol

[@mcmahonjp]

This is what made me so sad about the show. It could’ve been something great. A legitimately strong, charismatic and compelling character with wit that just organically flows into the dialogue and isn’t forced. Instead it’s just this lazy statement piece. What a waste man

[@shadowbeast2276]

And because they're "powerless victims" they are "perfect" at everything.

[@shadowanderson2004]

Well the original was created to make sure Stan lee got paid if they created a female hulk isn’t he live action show but your point stands.

[@mikeyjamieson4715]

"Bruce, I know how to control my anger. I've done it when I bite my tongue every time I defend a rapist. When I defend a murderer, I have to clench my jaw when I see the heartbreak in the parents of the victim. I count to ten every time I see good fathers lose custody of their kids. I do control my anger Bruce, I just do it differently." I'm obviously not a professional writer, but that's how I would've written THAT scene so Jen could have some sympathy. I know it's not flawless but I at least think it's better than that misandry crap she spouted.

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

Yeah, at least this interpretation leans into genuine emotional strength on Jen’s part and her strong dedication to law and order, not just blindly dismissing and despising men without even trying to hear them out.

[@DarkCT]

thats definitely better, no doubt in mind. plays to her history better in my eyes, and would have actually made the scene solid.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

The writers would definitely never include that last example. Good fathers? They despise the very idea. All men must be stupid, evil, and/or sexist. If they're not visibly any of these things, some small facet of their character that might be considered a flaw (like Steve Rogers not having promiscuous and meaningless sex) must be dredged up and endlessly mocked.

[@durreallduncan5818]

Your infinitely more talented than the writers of the show with this point....please apply ASAP. But that ONE PIECE of dialog is the reason I'm not watching.

[@zalamael]

The misandry is the entire purpose of this show. It is a show aimed at women, which is attempting to teach them how they should think and behave (like petulant victims of the patriarchy etc). It is social programming disguised as entertainment.

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

When Jen mentioned her hardships as a woman, I'm sure that implied sexual harassment amongst a few other things. It is unfortunately true that women have to put up with a lot of harassment and it's great to try and point that issue out, but it really falls apart considering that she has a picture of a dude's ass without his knowledge or consent.

[@liljenborg2517]

This could actually be a facet of the show, if there were good writers in the writers room.

[@DatcleanMochaJo]

Men get harassed too bud

[@Wright805]

@@DatcleanMochaJo So? Are you implying that somehow makes it okay? Because it certainly does not.

[@necoarcofficial3598]

@@DatcleanMochaJo you're literally agreeing with them?

[@jeremyknight9980]

And she's saying that to Bruce, someone who's had a way harder live than she has yet she doesn't care about what he went through because being a woman in western society is somehow worse. Jen is never wrong about anything because they go about making her a feminist mary sue in the most irritating ways.

[@StimmBehr]

The show just seems so insulting to a lot of women especially with the bar stuff in the first episode and how they try to say how caring and compassionate she and women are then not backing that up by having SH be so rude. Then they double down on it by trying to say criticisms are just being sexist.

[@mikeyjamieson4715]

Also, you gotta love how those women in the bathroom saw Jen all battered and bruised and their first instinct is to give her a makeover; rather than, I don't know, call the police or an ambulance.

[@Fureiji88]

@@mikeyjamieson4715 it's 2022 where dumbasses think calling the cops and even doctors is racist

[@cosmicspacething3474]

And then the show itself is being sexist.

[@nopressure6986]

I’m also not sure how the audience was supposed to feel about Madisynn. Were we supposed to love her or hate her? I’m not even sure which I do.

[@jamesneese7663]

all true but it's working. How many feminists and sycophants have been going on comic forums, calling anyone with ANYTHING bad to say about the series as "incels" and "mansplaining" and when even a woman says "well I don't like it either" the replies amount to "stfu, no one asked you!". .......okay then.

[@CoolG97]

I loved Jen in the animated Hulk series. She had real confidence and awesome hair. Although Branner felt guilty she would constantly reassure him that what he did was the best thing to happen to her. I really don't like how this show handles the character and that bathroom is just painful. "Oh my, a possible DV victim, better crowd her, give her a makeover, and then completely abandon her because 'help' ends once she leaves the women's bathroom."

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

That last part is pretty accurate. The kind of people who like this show and would write this trash are the sort who would share their old clothes to make themselves feel good about being so helpful, while doing nothing of substance to actually help the victim's position. The kind who post about a crime happening and want people to send them compliments, rather than calling the police or trying to intercede and help the victim.

[@HypercomboProduction]

@@WhiteManOnCampus like the Seattle Zombie Woman?

[@CoolG97]

@@WhiteManOnCampus They want to spread "awareness" instead of actually helping. It's practically a contradiction to the message they want to show. If they wanted a scene of women helping women that's fine but having those women disappear the very next scene so Jen can have her freak out on cat callers makes the bathroom pointless. (Unless the writers realized that guys aren't going to cat call a woman who looks like she was a car wreck and needed her cleaned up first, which may be just as bad if not worse.)

[@CCEkeke]

You know the crazy thing about that bathroom scene, the showrunner apparently fought for it tooth and nail believing it was AWESOME and empowering. Jesus...

[@Jays_dead_cat]

So did I. That was my first introduction to She Hulk. She was sexy, fun and yes confident.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

This show just feels like the writer's personal power fantasy.

[@talithakoum3922]

Unfortunately, that describes every Disney project these days 🙁

[@flamingbeardeddragon6113]

these writers are feminists with a victim mentality writing a show for women with a victim mentality. She hulk always focuses on herself, whines about everything, all the men are shown as either dumb, incompetent, slimey, or just supportive. I'm pretty sure 1 of the writers went on a man hate rant(don't quote me on that, I may be thinking of the High Gaurdian Spice writer)

[@jamesneese7663]

@@flamingbeardeddragon6113 true but what is far worse is that everyone from Kevin Feige down the management chain approved of this and continue to support this misandry. I mean, other than her father and her toady little assistant (who is probably gay), there are NO other good men according to Jennifer. Even the man she catfished into sleeping with, it's treated like HE"S the bad guy for waking up to a different person and being freaked out. She NEVER (onscreen) discussed or pointed out she can transform. But sure...all man bad. Not even stay for breakfast after fornicating

[@jeremyknight9980]

Oh it definitely is, this is not Jen Walters this is some self insert feminist masking as Jen.

[@quietopinion9637]

This describes every male hero ever

[@ielohim2423]

They basically made She-hulk a Karen smh

[@jjkhawaiian]

And a Mary-Sue

[@jesse__pinkman]

And a narcissist

[@princessmarlena1359]

Not to mention a b*

[@heropath34.vaselisc.35]

And a self insert puppet for a narcissistic person!

[@midnytemassacre]

"I have to deal with incompetent men constantly talking about how they know my own area of expertise better than me!" Meanwhile.. explaining to Hulk how she knows how to Hulk better than Hulk. Makes sense.

[@ZanyCartoons]

They clearly never read the comics and has no interest in staying true to it, they just want their girl boss show where they can complain and whine about how terrible their life is and show how unintentionally hypocritical they are.

[@frostmagemarii]

The head writer admitted to never reading a single She-Hulk comic before.

[@ColdHardTruthNews]

@@frostmagemarii And then she'll probably go on Twitter calling audiences sexist and misogynist... Oh the complete utter hypocrisy.

[@brianvalencia7717]

Yea, these writers could care LESS what these female characters REALLY represent and are about. They just like the IDEA of these characters & what they WANT them to be about & represent and USE then as a vehicle to project their insecurities & social politics.

[@alwaystakemarktwainsadvice4269]

I don’t think the comics matter at all at this point, and actually trying to stick to the comics is hurting the MCU in Phase 4. That is just a bandwagon excuse to dislike something, because those that truly cared about that are long gone from the MCU. None of the shows problems stem from that. It’s from ‘woke’ culture, on the nose commentary, cringe comedy, no actual plot, storylines trying to appeal to a vapid Gen Z audience, etc.

[@atishsingh8926]

Someone def forced Feige to pick this writer and they suck like really suck

[@mr.fancypants666]

The double standard for men in TV and movies is annoying. Women weren't main characters in many " guy" movies and shows. But they didn't go out of their way to put them down. Female led properties seem to always point out how useless men are. Its especially annoying in the MCU cause that's the bulk of the fanbase.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

Not to mention the romantic interests in a great deal of male targeted movies is a hyper competent and formidable woman. While the male leads in a lot of female targeted content are bumbling buffoons. Which I happen to know is a common complaint from woman... I used to think it was men writing female led properties not knowing what the fuck they are doing, then I watched a lot of female led projects and realized it's just a hollywood problem... They are still obsessed with all that battle of the sexes nonsense. If men who have an innate desire to protect and provide for their partners are attracted to hyper competent woman, why on earth would woman be attracted to bumbling man children? Obviously they should not overshadow the lead, but the romantic interest should at least seem like someone the lead might actually be interested in.

[@jamesneese7663]

because the writers of the show clearly don't give a #$#@$ about equality or marvel. This is about making their own "Sex And The City" series using Marvel's money and getting revenge on all the men who ever hurt them. I ask you this, in the courtroom scene where Mr Misogynist is openly addressing the woman who cheated him out of money as an "it"; who would actually allow that in court, esp when he his a lawyer as well. Even better, the only way Jennifer can "prove" her case that her client Mr Misogynist is innocent is by showing he's a HUGE idiot? Umm...fraud is fraud. being stupid or smart is not some sort of legal standard for anything. that is how bad AND misandrist the writing REALLY is when you think about it....!

[@scottchaison1001]

@@patrickbuckley7259 Why do you used to think that?

[@patrickbuckley7259]

@@scottchaison1001 It was because I had heard so many woman make the complaint. Hell it's actually the origin of the term Male Gaze.

[@tompaauwe4565]

Yeah they have to go out of their way to play with identity politics and the whole wars of the sexes thing. It gets real tiring real fast when it happens. At this point it has just become a cliche. How many boy shows have been treated in the same way as well? It just feels really petty as if its some kind of revenge or over correction/reparations. And then they are surprised people tune out.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

Why is it so hard for Marvel of all companies to write a compelling superhero story? You don't even have to do anything new. 1. Introduce your character. Make them an overall good person. 2. Show how they got their powers. 3. Show them doing good things with it like helping a kitten off a tree. 4. Have a main villain. They are often selfish and do evil things. 5. Have them clash and fight. 6. Hero wins, villain is defeated and roll credits. *(OPTIONAL) Give the hero some struggles involving living with their super powers and trying to maintain a secret identity. *(OPTIONAL) Have the hero and villain have conflicting ideals even though they both had nearly the same background. There. Pay me.

[@graybadge]

I'd pay you a Billion Dollars for this if I could.

[@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132]

If I may tinfoil hat, I feel like too many directors try to make the heroes multifaceted to avoid the stereotype we always see for heroes. This isn't inherently bad...but they decide to show all of their good and bad at the same time, rather then show their good or bad first. Imagine how weak Captain America's arc wouldve been if he didn't start as a starry eyed american boy, and was already the jaded man he is in Civil War.

[@Krendall2]

Where's the woke virtue-signalling? This is a Disney property, after all.

[@liljenborg2517]

Professional Hollywood screenwriters who look like they've never read "Save the Cat" by Blake Snyder. This is, like, the first textbook you read in every screenwriting class at every college in the English speaking world. Yet they keep doing whatever it is they did in She Hulk. Captain Marvel, Wanda, She Hulk - they make all these women bratty and unlikable.

[@muhammadfaizmohdnasiruddin9854]

@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132 I feel like ever since The Last Jedi, writers and directors have been obsessed with "deconstruction". Taking established concepts and breaking it down. But what they forgot is that you need to reconstruct said concepts into something better.

[@jim-bob3093]

Jen being brave enough to take on the mob for justice even as a human, leading to her becoming a hulk. Is leagues better than 'opps, (insert woman cant drive joke) you bleed on me!'

[@Kazekagelee]

Where is the women can't drive joke? they crash because of a space ship that came out of nowhere.

[@darrylferguson3622]

They probably couldn't see past the fact Bruce (a man) saved her while she was helpless. The sad part is that the official reasoning of "we didn't want to use mobsters" could have been solved easily. Just use a certain green alien species that can shapeshift, and pretended to be mobsters

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@Kazekagelee she could've just pumped the brakes like a normal, competent driver.

[@muddashucka9743]

@@Kazekagelee She didn't see the spaceship because she was too busy complaining about men to pay attention to the road.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@Kazekagelee she swerved instead of just stepping on the brakes. That’s the woman can’t drive part.

[@natto4now]

never mind the fact that she used she hulk to catfish a guy then complains about it

[@julianenz3081]

Wait what? I haven't seen the show, can you elaborate a bit more?

[@dippin4dots]

@@julianenz3081 She didn't get any matches on a dating profile as her real self, so she used her SheHulk persona as her account instead. When one guy was a good match for her, she complained to the audience when he wasnt interested in her when she reverted back to Jen form.

[@MaddMaster69]

@@dippin4dots She is She-Hulk tho. Just because she looks different doesn't mean she is a different person.

[@perrygilbert8276]

Well technically she didn’t catfish the guy because she did look like her picture but I guess it’s not common knowledge in the MCU that Hulk has a human form and I was kinda surprised when the guy didn’t know that Jen had a regular human form. I thought that everybody knew what Bruce looked like when not in Hulk form so he would’ve known that She-Hulk may have a human form too because she was a Hulk as well.

[@MaddMaster69]

@@perrygilbert8276 I think they know that She-Hulk has a human form, but the guy just doesn't like Jen in particular. She looks very different from her She-Hulk form, and he doesn't like the look of Jen.

[@BigGator5]

Actually, the Hulk movie with Edward Norton is an MCU movie. Robert Downey Jr. makes a cameo as Tony Stark in the end credit scene.

[@ulaznar]

Kinda, but Tony asks General Ross to join the Avengers which makes no sense. And the "canon" justification that Tony was "pranking" Ross makes little sense too.

[@ggrarl]

@@ulaznar according to a short film called "The Consultant", Tony was sent there by SHIELD to irritate Ross because the World Security Council thought it would be a good idea to let Abomination join the Avengers. Tony made Ross so mad he refused to do release Emil Blonsky...he also bought the bar they were fighting in.

[@willpower8061]

Ed Norton was a way better Bruce banner, looks and all.

[@jamesneese7663]

@@willpower8061 yeah but Ed Norton would not have put up with this crapping all over Hulk character. He was booted off Avengers because he wanted input on the script and character but Marvel was like "#$#$ you".

[@timgonzales2891]

@@jamesneese7663 eh, avengers 1 was great. I don't think it needed his input.

[@robertluna5737]

I like your approach to a live-action show much much better than what we are getting. It's a damn shame what the MCU has become.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Disney should have just bought out Netflix for good if they wanted the shitty knockoff branding of Netflix type of “humor” and “storytelling” to being on the streaming services instead of in theaters, and that way the brands they don’t want on Hulu another streaming service that Disney owns can still keep that iconic and timeless branding that’ll never be outdated unlike Netflix Original Series that aren’t Cobra Kai.

[@TheRealRunningwolf1980]

Indeed

[@roboexe]

The most fascinating thing: In the current Wong-episode there is a moment when She-Hulks date wakes up, looks at Jennifer Walters and instantly leaves. Jennifer then quits that this might hurt her feelings and that’s it. This would’ve been a great dramatic moment because Jen in the comics needed to learn to love herself and She-Hulk was partially an escape for her. While Bruce didn’t want to turn into the Hulk, Jennifer doesn’t want to turn back, because She-Hulk is everything she dreamt of being. But as with the jokes, the pretty terrible writers are just not talented enough. What a shame.

[@MrWiggsy4]

Ah the catfishing

[@muddashucka9743]

@@MrWiggsy4 Not catfishing. Rape. He didn't give informed consent.

[@elenafriese891]

I mean, they are clearly *trying* to make that be the thing (see the therapy episode), they just didn't manage to sell it properly. (Also, no, catfishing is a slim excuse and rape even slimmer when talking about someone with a public secret identity)

[@DaddyDynastic]

One of my favorite things about the real She Hulk is how sympathetic she is to Bruce and how patient she is with the Hulk She's one of the few people in his life that doesn't approach the Hulk with any fear And she does her best to try to mitigate Bruce's guilt over her situationIt feels like they actually care about each other But in this show and recently in some of her worse runs it feels like they only interact because they're related

[@darynbrown3640]

My favorite Marvel comic growing up. Not because she was gorgeous, not because of muscle, but because she was the most believable since spiderman. She enjoys her powers and her looks. She often made fun of her enemies and was quick witted. She led a rock star life hanging with celebs, and was breaking the forth wall YEARs before Deadpool.

[@cloudiiqueenofnewtropilis]

I’m praying them making Jen selfish is intentional and they’ll at least try to make her learn from it later on in the show, however I don’t think that’s the case- also why is she an entirely different character from the comics?????

[@mikeyjamieson4715]

In the CW version of Batwoman, Kate started off that way - and she never got any better. That'll most likely be the case with MCU!Jen.

[@TaoScribble]

The writer thought that bathroom makeover scene was a display of female solidarity or whatever. I have zero faith in their ability or even willingness to properly write an arch where she grows from being... _this._

[@Me11oCarm]

Exactly what I was hoping... grass isn't "greener" on the other side motif. Doesn't sound like that's their plan.

[@PreambleJams]

Because feminism

[@yogurtmale4946]

we are too deep in to assume that

[@ZackTheThunderking]

you pretty much nailed what everybody hates about this show

[@rev.jonathanwint6038]

Also in the comic after his mother was murdered Jen spent the summer helping Bruce recover. And she never forgot what happened to her aunt. And protecting people like Bruce and his mother was one of the reasons she became a lawyer. And it was strongly implied she knew he had killed his father when Bruce himself had blocked it out. The father knew Bruce had killed his dad and helped cover it up. Saw the footprints and was like what footprints he just fell down in the cemetery and hit his head.. like the only crooked cop think he ever did and probably the coolest.

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

Speaking from a male perspective, I find it very intriguing and interesting that so many women dislike this show. They don't find it empowering at all. In theory this show should be more beloved than Captain Marvel because, imo, She-Hulk is more likeable than Captain Marvel. Massive fail by the writers.

[@TaoScribble]

It tries to make all men out to be sexist, make being a woman some terrible thing, and then make those same women out to be vapid, shallow, narcissistic, and a touch sociopathic (considering the makeover scene). As a woman, literally *nothing* about the recent iterations of female superheroes is empowering or even relatable. They're _gross._

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

Definitely hit the Nail on the Head. Alteori, Snarky Jay, & J-Tanner are really not too keen on MCU She-Hulk at all. This is indeed Psuedo-SheHulk who is up there with Captain Marvel alright.

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

@@TaoScribble Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I'm seeing this reaction a lot. The recent female characters exhibit more negative traits than positive, if they show any positive traits at all.

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

@@GarciaXVLegend_04 I hadn't heard of Alteori or Snarky Jay until I read your comment. Wow are you right, they don't like She-Hulk at all. If Disney set out to create a divisive show they at least accomplished that.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

@@jaysgamingcorner8539 Yeah I thought it would be best to hear Reviews from a Female Perspective than a Male Perspective because some will be acting like either "Horndogs" and/or leave out Details (I may respect n' watch both 3C Films & Andre Meadows [Black Nerd] but they're acting like Fanboys).

[@stingingcake853]

hit it on the head. So much of the problems with the show would be less if she actually was shown expiriencing struggles. Like, even if they didn't want to do a mob hit (which doesn't make a ton of sense since it would give and easy connection to Dare Devil), having her origin be "Oopsy! got splashed with hulk blood" doesn't make sense. Have her actually struggle before she becomes shehulk! Honestly if I were the writers, I'd have her be a brilliant lawyer, but have anxiety problems. But despite the social anxiety, she's not a coward.

[@Chronz]

Can't have men save she bulk

[@zvonimirtomac7896]

Wow, they made her even more unlikable than what she was in the more recent comics (not the current run, though). Great job, showrunners!

[@cartoonking1789]

They don’t care about the comic or the fans sadly.

[@Groomsman]

I didn’t trust this show before it came out, and it justified my suspicions

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

Same here and these reviews perfectly justified of our suspicions especially coming from women themselves

[@michaelfireheart8300]

The only thing worse than She-Karen's lecturing of Hulk, is the fact she twerks with Meghan Thee Stallion in her office, completely contradicting the women suffer from catcalling point she made.

[@orrorsaness5942]

Sheesh, the Pensuke files is much much better than this.

[@drksideofthewal]

To be fair, she was twerking with another woman in the privacy of her office. Plus, women being “sexy” isn’t an invitation for catcalling.

[@duncanharrell5009]

Privacy? That office complex is filled with glass doors and large windows!

[@obiwanshinobi87]

Imagine if Stark had a picture of Black Widow's butt as his screen saver....

[@rev.jonathanwint6038]

Let's not forget Bruce was also a beaten child tortured for years who watched his mother beaten to death. But you know Jen gets wolf whistles so she knows what it is to be a victim.

[@puffydoh]

Great video on She-Hulk. You're right about the bathroom scene. If Jennifer's been physically abused, then you don't just give her a wardrobe fix and smother her dirty face with more make-up over the mess. Take the poor girl to a hospital. I still can't believe how ridiculously bad this writing has been so far, but I guess that stupid scene was WAY too important to cut out. Subbed btw.

[@jaydraws4881]

This is why I don't trust Marvel with their own characters nowadays.

[@MaxAndCheese0917]

I’m really worried about how they write daredevil/Matt Murdock

[@samwallaceart288]

"Their own"

[@HighHeelKnight]

The Incredible Hulk IS part of the MCU! It was the second movie of the franchise. Don't you remember the credit scene with Tony Stark and General Ross? The Hulk film rights are tied up with Universal Pictures, just as the Spider-Man film rights are tied up with Sony Pictures. That is why Hulk hasn't been able to have another solo movie and only appears in other heroes' films or team films.

[@joecrazy9896]

Yeah I would have perfered something more accurate to the comics. Especially with Jen and Bruce's relationship, they just don't seem to have that familial bond like they did in the original source material.

[@riftshredder5438]

There's a reason why we never got an official Hulk movie in the MCU and it's because the film rights to the character are owned by Universal, so since Disney can't make a Hulk movie without Universal's cooperation, this was basically the next best thing

[@Walt305]

Piss poor effort in my opinion

[@IN-tm8mw]

I never followed She-Hulk as closely as i did the Hulk. Themes around him struggling to contain and harness his emotions resonated with me more as a man. From the media and fans, i got a good impression of the character but kinda looked forward to the show for more context or a freshstart to "become" a fan. Episode one, really disappointed me. As she's talking to Banner, her words hit me also since i've been connected with his struggles. The disrespect was off the charts. i don't mind banter but this felt cheap, low, mean spirited. She might still be able to make a comeback, if the writers do her character arc right. Have her hit, spiderman levels of low points and be forced to seek Bruce for help again.

[@tallaaron1115]

They cannot do that as it breaks away from woman power. She-Hulk deserves better then this show. Sadly we needed real writers who could put their own views on hold to write the characters instead of writing self inserts.

[@thewanderer4336]

Considering the writer of this show didn't read any She-Hulk comics, any chance for a good character arc (or something good) is not happening

[@cyro8039]

Jen: women are always objectified! Also Jen: has a lockscreen of cap's rear

[@VerdantRange]

If only Marvel could make a movie about She-Hulk, but unfortunately Universal has right of first refusal or something so if there were to be a Hulk related movie, it would be them making a good chunk of the money, and since Disney wants to make all the money... yeah, that ain't happening. If they wanted to do something different with Jen's origin, why not tie it back into the more Hulk related stuff from the MCU instead of a ship from Sakaar? They could have had Samuel Sterns return from the old Hulk movie, captured Jen and then have Bruce transfuse some of his blood into her for an experiment. Then after he sees the results, he takes more of Bruce's blood and uses it to turn himself fully into The Leader.

[@animezilla4486]

Which beggs the question what's the point of universal studios keeping the film rights to the Hulk if studio ain't got any plans to use it

[@CoolG97]

Actually Disney does have the rights for a She-Hulk solo film. They wouldn't need to pay Universal anything, unless they put Bruce Branner in it. In which case they could've had it set while Bruce is in space, but that causes its own issues.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@CoolG97 , Disney being a monopoly at this point in time should buy Universal, Netflix, and Sony entertainment at this point in time if they’re going to keep making shit like She-Ma’Am on their platforms, and don’t say that Disney isn’t a monopoly because it totally is since them along with CrunchyRoll made Bleach in permanent limbo where there’ll be no new seasons at all because of their greed.

[@fmc291]

The best is John Byrne’s run of She Hulk. It’s so sad that she and Tatiana Maslany (who is an amazing actress. Watch Orphan Black) it’s also annoying when people attack the creation of She Hulk, given she was created by Stan Lee. Someone these so called Stan Lee stan’s say they revere for his creativity and creating the modern day mythology.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

I only don’t like She-Hulk for the same reasons on why I don’t like DareDevil and Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney series because the only lawyer in media I like the most is Helena Wayne, (Huntress), and besides her I don’t like any lawyers in media at all.

[@fmc291]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr ok.

[@LydiaKrow]

I appreciated this perspective, good to hear someone talking about the things that bothered me, too. I was so upset about the woman's bathroom scene because they took a woman who looked dirty and injured and gave her a makeover?! So when those guys hit on her.... AT A BAR... she's enraged because somehow they are supposed to know she's just been in a car accident? When she's wearing a party girl coat and has perfect makeup? Firstly, I don't let strangers use their makeup on me... secondly, to get that face of makeup they were working on her for 15-20 minutes...at no point she tells them "hey I've been in a car accident"? Really? Her comments about how women are always angry do not speak for me. All in all, total pass on this show. It's too bad, because I would have loved to have seen a show about a sassy tall amazon lady, not a victim.

[@bbgunz1705]

Just realized that the channel has now reached 22k subscribers. I still remember back when it was about half of that. Congrats on how far you've come, M and J! You deserve it.

[@mjtannertwins]

Thank you!

[@thebigidea9659]

We go from she hulk taking on the mob to she hulk twerking for tik tok.Yeah I'll pass.

[@harveyplissken4604]

If you really want to introduce new fans to the She-Hulk character, I recommend the 90's Hulk animated series, especially when you reach the second season. And you get Cree Summer voicing Shulkie. Trust me, it's a lot better than the live action show.

[@MrWiggsy4]

That time I snapped all my knee ligaments in one go is better than the live action show

[@MyAramil]

In my opinion, I feel that the MCU has flubbed a lot of their projects, it was about the time that endgame happened that I noticed a sharp decline in their movies and shows, each one becoming less and less enjoyable

[@Syryu]

I only knew of She-Hulk in passing. She made a few appearances in Marvel shows but without an origin, so I only knew the basics. There was an accident. Bruce gave her his blood. The blood made her transform. I had no idea the mob was involved or that the first thing she does is smash her would-be killers into the ground, and she frees an innocent man in the process. That sentence alone is LIGHTYEARS more interesting and compelling that anything the MCU!She-Hulk has put forward so far.

[@jstnsmutek]

I agree with everything you said. I don't know why the MCU thinks the only way to make an empowered woman lately is to make her obnoxious. They did a great job with Natasha and Gamora. But they totally failed as of late

[@TheLionKing999]

Thank you so much! As a guy, we need more women to stand up for this type of toxicity which is now present in women. It is completely unjust to put everything bad on men. Men were the ones who tamed animals and built our societies with raw strength to even allow us to live such comfortable lives :(

[@luma4902]

The thing is how they would make she-hulk unique from the hulk when they "borrowed" she-hulk/Jane dynamic to make professor hulk

[@AL-ws5yi]

You’re not the only one who’s disappointed.

[@VexNToys]

I was hoping for some good courtroom drama. Where Daredevil series Matt was rarely involved in the courtroom stuff but more the Daredevil stuff. Would be nice to counter with good engaging courtroom stuff but sprinkle in a little action here and there.

[@defshepard]

I would definitely would have liked something much closer to the comics and way more respectful to everybody.

[@shawnculpepper4589]

I liked She Hulk in the 90s Hulk cartoon. She was a nice fun character.

[@imp360]

wait I thought 2008 hulk was a MCU movie. wiki says it's part of the MCU.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

It is

[@Cyclone9227]

If the director of this She-Hulk Show just only followed the comics and no politics related to feminism, the show would be better than what we experienced recently.

[@capsulon445]

In regards to that comment of Jennifer explanation of controlling her anger, I would say she had it pretty easy on account of her having two loving parents growing up as opposed to Bruce who in comics only had his mother who doesn't live long due to her being killed by his abusive father, which leads to the phycological creation of Hulk. I haven't seen this series but I have little incentives of ever seeing it if they get such crucial details wrong.

[@jturner2577]

I think the Mob Origin could have worked just fine if it was Wilson Fisk who ordered the hit. Basically to show he's back and still the Kingpin, what would be more impactful then killing essentially the strongest Avenger? This would be a tremendous display of power and send huge waves of fear.

[@thomaspayne7617]

I thought this show would be the Ally McBeal with She-Hulk, but instead, it's boring. I'm not sure it's a superhero show, but a sitcom starring a superhero. There seems to be no struggle or overarching plot. I don't like anyone in the show as of yet, even though I like the main actress. Disappointed.

[@jtfbreedlove]

There is no excuse for writers not having a knack for courtroom scenes, they work for *Disney* who has a *HUGE* number of lawyers to reference for that sort of thing. Also watch a few episodes of Night Court for how do an actual legal comedy.

[@TaoScribble]

That whole makeover scene was truly WTF, especially considering her rant towards Hulk at the end of that same episode (among other things). I will be completely honest and admit that I haven't watched the show, but nothing I'm hearing makes me WANT to. What is the tone/message of this show?? It _seems_ to have shades of that annoying mantra of 'female empowerment; all men are sexists'. But then it has that makeover scene, making women behave in the most shallow, cold, moronic way possible in the face of what they assumed was a serious and traumatic event. Was it supposed to be a joke?? Because it makes that group of women seem like sociopaths!!

[@VforVictory00]

This show definitely wrote her to have a sense of superiority in powers and attitude. They made her stronger than Bruce simply to show that this is her show and not Bruce's because Bruce is old school MCU. Her attitude feels like a man-hating feminist instead of a hero that treats people around her as equals and with respect. Definitely has a low ranking for MCU projects in my book.

[@guilherme5094]

The story is dumb and full of holes, (Hulk can be defeated by a car!), the dialogues are disgusting, the special effects are bad. Amazing how Marvel got everything wrong with She-Hulk. She-Hulk made me miss Jessica Jones and by God that series was awful.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

Yep. The first season of Jessica Jones wasn't bad, though in no small part that was due to Tennant's brilliant acting, but the second season and beyond was my first realization that Marvel Studios was going to go the exact same way that Marvel Comics had.

[@darthrekal]

Once again, one of the most thought out and elegant points of view. Thanks for sharing and enlightening us. Continue the good work!

[@mcbuttstuff]

The fact they tried to make it a competition of who’s life was worse honestly annoys me that’s like taking some rich kid from LA and having him tell, a kid who has never showered before and has to eat trash, that he has a bad life

[@_Meekay_]

I watched the first episode and then went to watch Daredevil instead as a protest (which I had never seen before and was pleasantly surprised by! It's refreshing to watch something that seems to have had significant thought and effort put into it after some of the lackluster shows and movies Marvel's been putting out lately). I was appalled by her line about having to control her anger "infinitely more" than Bruce and how dismissive she was of his lifelong struggles. Even though the MCU's been pretty disappointing for me lately, I've still kept up with it all until this show. Jen was just too unlikable and rude for me, so I bowed out after one episode. But the reviews are still fun though!

[@mjtannertwins]

It sucks because Jen is such a cool character in the comics and they totally misrepresented her. She's so stuck up and acts like she's the only one that matters. That's not her at all. D:

[@_Meekay_]

@@mjtannertwins wish I could’ve gotten the chance to meet a decent version of her, but unfortunately… 😬

[@mjtannertwins]

I'm glad you enjoyed Daredevil. He's pretty cool. He's going to be in this show and I really hope they don't mess him up too but at least he has the Netflix show if they do.

[@TaoScribble]

When it comes to unlikable jerk main characters, they absolutely NEED to have someone relatable on-hand and just as present. Or show them suffering/struggling specifically from being such a jerk. The problem is that She-Hulk doesn't have that because I don't think the writer sees her as intolerable as she is.

[@1krani]

Either She-Hulk is being set up to develop away from this entitlement, or the writers have lived in ivory towers and are simply writing how they think human beings act.

[@turtle4493]

the incredible hulk movie that has the abomination in it, is part of the mcu there's even a end credits scene in that movie with Tony stark talking to general ross

[@poetscotty]

I actually like She-Hulk and She Savage Dragon but SJWs ruin them. Daredevil will be in the show sadly 🤦🏾‍♂️.

[@azraiel1984]

I can't stand this show. Another MCU phase 4 money grabbing fail.

[@Illyriad]

They needed the bathroom scene to make the harassment scene work, because it would have been even more ham-fisted if she still looked like she just crawled out of a car crash and that was the last opportunity for them to put her in physical danger from what the writers seem to think is the "average man."

[@thomashanson9173]

Imagine if the female solidarity was really just an excuse to make her pretty enough to be harassed. And then the writers wanting to cover their tracks, made it have that oh so heartwarming solidarity moment, but in reality it was just for that.

[@Illyriad]

@@thomashanson9173 oh, I have no doubt the harassment scene predated the bathroom scene. An actual solidarity moment would have had the women actually help Jen, they just buff her up and despawn.

[@HDGamerofficial]

Amazing video! I completely agree with all your points! One thing you said at the beginning though, you mentioned that 2003 Hulk and 2008 The Incredible Hulk happened before the MCU but 2008 Hulk actually is in the MCU, in She-Hulk they even directly call back to the fact that Bruce was a different person literally then Jen breaks the fourth wall and laughs, so in universe they officially acknowledge that Incredible Hulk is canon, and even in Avengers from 2012, they make multiple references to show that, despite how disconnected it seems fro the MCU, it is a part of it. Just thought I’d clarify in case maybe you misspoke or weren’t aware! 😁 awesome video still!

[@nomdeplume2695]

Thank you for your relatable observations regarding the pros and cons of the show. Your points seemed grounded and well thought out.

[@slicerneons3300]

Man is this an insult on so many levels; Femininity, Comedy, Intelligence, Art, Character, Story, Plot, Actual human interactions...such a long list. MSheU is beyond the point of being worthy to watch.

[@orrorsaness5942]

Indeed

[@noxlupa2996]

There’s a stunningly low amount of she hulk reviewers who actually reference and make comparisons to her original comics (or maybe I’m not getting recommended the right stuff?), so I thought this was really well done! They really did Jen dirty

[@samwallaceart288]

Neat-pick: the clip choices for the backgrounds are on-point and relevant

[@kingcrimson2643]

I never thought I would find another She-Hulk fan as mad as I am. Some of the videos I've seen or whatnot are people being mad just to be mad or don't care about the character at all. Thank you for making this video.

[@tedscheett9420]

I think what most writers fail to realize that character is genderless. No, that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that all great characters are nonbinary. It means that when writing a character, whether they are a man, woman, transgender, nonbinary and so on, that should all be secondary. For example, say you have a character who is frightened by various things, is hardly what you'd call the brave type, but ends up beating a villain significantly stronger and more confident than them and gaining confidence from the encounter, while still experiencing fear from time to time. I have just described the characters of Deku and Sarah Connor, both really beloved characters, not because of their gender, but for who they are. Yes, they are written by completely different people, however, they are very similar in how their character functions. I'm under the impression that you should first make a personality for a character and THEN decide what they are gender-wise. I think that why the MCU and modern comics are stumbling. They have the visual character but then drain the initial personality and they, let's face it, substitute an inferior personality. The funny thing is, if you look back to phase one, Black Widow and Peggy Carter are excellent characters, who despite not being the main character, were extremely well fleshed out characters. It upsets me to no end that this has becomes a debate of who has it worse or thrives off the controversy that even this series pokes fun at because they feel the need to bm their audience.

[@suspiciousstar7547]

This, THIS right here 🙌

[@shirlecemcghee]

My personal opinion on the MCU is a mixed bag. I am avoiding the content that I have no interest in. Relying on research and content creators to fill the gaps. I appreciate the constructive criticism.

[@spookynigga3112]

they should have just keep in her she hulk form and made her look young. Instead of turning her into a middle age wine mom.

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

In one of my criticisms of this show regarding diplomatic immunity and the writing of the show someone had mentioned the Sokovia Accords. Which made me wonder why they couldn't address that in the show? It would be an organic way of cameoing other superheroes, supervillains, and would address the impact the Sokovia Accords had.

[@theodin4616]

The show is so dumb I hate how they religate Wong as being a plot device and the back end of so many jokes in the last two episodes.

[@1DSM8CorvetteTuner]

Spot on. Couldn't agree with you more, but more so if possibles. They did one of my favorite characters dirty with bad writing. Could have been so much more. And it's still going downhill. Still waiting for it go get better. I think Netflix did a better job with Danny than Disney did with Jen. That's saying alot.

[@sadvec6328]

Jenn: Gets catcalled and mansplained Bruce: Had an abusive father who beated his mother to death and spent years of his life alone and in the run to avoid hurting other with the Hulk. Yeah, Jenn doesn't hold a candle to anyone on the MCU

[@MizuHime07]

You hit the nail with this; I didn’t watch She-Hulk at all mainly from this stuff I’ve seen online about it. I can’t stand how ppl just don’t see that Jen’s a jerk to her cousin when she originally cared for him. It just makes me wished they gave Hulk Justice. Glad it’s not getting a season 2 tbh

[@PhillyMar]

I agree with everything mentioned in this video. We needed a writer and director who'd pay homage to She-Hulk's comic counterpart and give us a good compelling character and story. Ryan Coogler is a good example, he took the time to read and learn T'Challa's character and story, and you could tell he genuinely cared about Black Panther.

[@n3jay325]

Facts

[@vivienmcnab4511]

I think the scene with Jen and Bruce would have been much better if they included the real life problem of how men are societally shamed for showing emotions. Jen can still go on her whole rant but I think bring up the fact that for all of Bruce's life he has been pressured to not show his emotions could make an interesting conversation. Men have just as many emotions as women do, but instead of expressing them, most internalize them. And with having the Hulk, theres a whole new type of pressure for Bruce to not express his emotions. But now he is able to co-exist with the Hulk which can be read with Bruce being now secure enough with his emotions. I dont know, I just think its something we should talk about more in general.

[@doritosdaman]

You hit the nail right on the head with "but when Bruce transforms, ppl try to kill him..."

[@matityaloran9157]

0:33, slight correction. Edward Norton’s Hulk movie is set in the MCU. Robert Downey Junior even appears as Iron Man in the epilogue scene

[@lorddervish212quinterosara6]

anti-homeless She-Hulk bench anti-homeless She-Hulk bench

[@KoongYe]

It's insane how bigoted misandric people are allowed to write for high budget shows these days. Nothing like a good ol' misandry to show woman struggle.

[@a.mp.m7340]

Your voice makes me think of Napoleon Dynamite lol, it's awesome. Also I think the reason they didn't go with her original origin is because they didn't want Bruce a man saving her. That's the only thing I could think of because her original story was a very good orgin, it made sense. So yeah to me they didn't want her to be saved by a man.

[@joseroa5243]

You know, I knew this show would suck after the second episode they mention Abomination is in a "maxim security prison" and they didn't mention the raft, nor the mansion, not even the cube. It was a ramdom psion of no name. It sounds silly to be done for that scene alone, but if they couldn't care less to even gave the X prision a proper comic book title such as the mansion or the cube (the raft is in the middle of the ocean) The mansion is a miniature placemade by ant-man. Just, a setting that has no depth nor even fanservice.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

I though the Ant-Man made prison was named The Big House.

[@joseroa5243]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 that's the name, sorry, i got confused.

[@bbgunz1705]

Before I begin, I just want to point out that Incredible Hulk is a MCU movie. They just changed actors from Norton to Ruffalo. Not that big a deal, just had to point it out. Any interest I had in watching this show has now gone completely down the drain. There are so many questionable decisions. Jen's new origin for getting her powers feels lame. There was nothing wrong with her comic origin. And based off what I seen, Jen just comes off so entitled and unlikeable, acting like she's the only one who struggles in life and downplaying the actual hardships most heroes face. If this ends up getting treated like a flaw of hers and she grows from it, that'd be better, but I doubt that's what they'll do. And I'm fine if the MCU wants to poke fun at itself a little, but the jokes about it don't seem like they come from a place of love or respect, but from people who don't actually care about superheroes. I also was never big on Professor Hulk. I know it's in the comics, but still not huge on it. I think Casually Comics said it best. "Let Bruce's thing be Bruce's thing and let Jen's thing be Jen's thing." Also, why does it seem to be a trend in modern media where the writers are like "I'm writing for a show about this kind of stuff, but I am not good about writing for this kind of stuff"? That should be a red flag. There are some parts of Phase 4 I've enjoyed so far. Spider-Man No Way Home was great of course, and Shang-Chi was actually pretty fun, but the MCU just doesn't feel like it used to be anymore. I'm just not going to waste time with this show and put my time to better use actually looking at She-Hulk comics. Anyone got any issue/series recommendations for where to start?

[@MrS-pe6sd]

It’s interesting how all these new shows try to “showcase real women“ yet all they do is make women look petty, simple, and weak. In my opinion I think it’s doing women a terrible injustice. I’m surrounded by strong capable women so I find all this to be laughable but distressing.

[@TheAnimeMegaFreak]

sounds like they could get some writers of Law and Order or consult some real attorney of what accurate. like House MD did

[@defdef1354]

This is the most informative she hulk break down that I’ve seen.

[@blackforestgiant648]

Interesting that despite she thinks she does manage her anger infinitely more than him because of mansplaining and catcalling, she won't choose the hermit life where she would definitely not have to deal with those things.

[@williamcorey4700]

If they couldn't get Thor right with two movies I had no hope for She Hulk. Despite the low ratings I actually liked the first two Thor movies. They understood his character. Although them trying to take his magic and claim it as technology was retarded

[@barq6994]

The 2008 film is in the MCU

[@Darker4807]

Thank you, It's really healthy that we hear more woman's voices about media issues like this, instead of punching man even more down, you give everyone hope