How Social Media Changes Your Mind

CW: Its gonna be intense, we're not just talking about the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial either, we're talking about like fascism and death and stuff too so. Be warned.🤖
Video essay by Ada Černoša and Verity Ritchie
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[@verilybitchie]

Take care of yourself after watching this, yeah?

[@Princess_Weekes]

[@Vennele]

Your videos are like a therapy session for my stormy mind. ✨

[@squashfei8907]

You should make the audios of your videos into podcasts(if you want). There’s a lot of people who I want to share these messages with who probably won’t want to sit down and watch a whole video but would be willing to listen if it was in a podcast format.

[@xeno_dork]

Hi. Thank you for the exceptionally researched and presented video. Also, your hair is very lovely.

[@LuLu98J]

on my way to listen to Beyoncé - Break My Soul right now to release the stress (and engage to social media content and be a consumer of corporation autocracy even further...?? Oh god! LOL)

[@beatotheelder6170]

This trial has been a constant source of disgust for me, it has been near impossible to avoid it no matter how many times I click “Not Interested” or unsubscribe from people taking advantage of it. Glad to hear someone with a conscience discuss this as a whole.

[@Pimp.My.Forklift]

The "not interested" button on youtube does absolutely nothing, there has been many times I used it, reloaded the page and immediately got recommended the same video again

[@goodvibes1525]

EXACTLY!

[@ollieno971]

Same omg

[@aratinatophat1072]

Kuncan Dastner has a great video on it and it was near the beginning of it all too

[@snowlied]

same oh my god, I literally deleted Instagram because that was the only way to not see it lol.

[@SLYKM]

Really appreciate when people are honest about how vitriolic that pop culture madness can get. Especially since it's a defamation case and not a criminal trial.

[@kyradreamer4769]

Personally, I don't even agree with the way we idolize celebrities in the first place. I think it's inherently bad so finding people who are willing to recognize how harmful the results of things like this are is such a relief at the very least.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Remember how 2000s media treated Britney Spear? It was horrible

[@paulhammond6978]

@@kyradreamer4769 This video was all about the wider issues, really. I mean, the Depp-Heard case is a high-profile instance of how social media monetises the worst aspects of human curiosity, but the point of it is the structures of how social media works these days, and how people are incentivised to do things badly and in ways that are ultimately harmful to all of us.

[@kyradreamer4769]

@@paulhammond6978 Yeah, I got that. My initial point is that the vast majority of people don't recognize that something is wrong in the first place, and the secondary thought I had to that was about the notion of celebrities as a whole. I was never interested in famous people (not as a child and not once since), which definitely shapes my perspective, but I do think that the way we idolize random people in the first place and shower them with wealth is bad and that needs to be recognized when people seek entertainment. Giving people power and influence Because they happen to have the right connections and a little bit of skill doesn't sit right with me, and we have seen the repercussions repeatedly. Most people like celebrities, even when something bad that they did gets out, and it's refreshing to see the occasional person criticizing the situation at all instead of capitalizing on it, which goes back to what you said about social media running on the worst parts of human curiosity. Essentially, I'm tired of the content I have to go out of my way to avoid, and even if I think the criticism and reflection of these issues could be expanded on, it's a breath of fresh air to come across them at all.

[@paulhammond6978]

@@kyradreamer4769 Oh, absolutely. I think that the whole idolising of celebrities in the first place is pretty unhealthy, and that got amped up by the rise of reality TV from the early 2000s on (again, that's not necessarily *evil*, but it was TV that was cheap to make, and became wildly engaging, in that case because of the interaction with the audience by phone voting, which of course encouraged the audience to pick favourites who they are going to vote for).

[@kellynaz9256]

As a dv and rape victim, who reported their perpetrator only 6 months ago, I was trying so fucking hard to avoid the trial but despite my effort to avoid it, I still saw the trial EVERYWHERE. It was such bullshit. What made it even worse is that the person who did this to me, and their family, are currently building a narrative in which im the "mentally ill psycho ex" and hoping that my abuser will get away with committing crimes. Trials like this, about this topic should never have been televised. I'm so scared now that nobody will believe me. I constantly have anxiety that I won't get justice, that he will get away with it. And seeing the trial, though the situation is different in that, was really horrible since its about dv. I hated the constant stream of misogyny from a lot of men, disguised as activism.

[@julierohde7625]

Have had the exact same experience. Hope you get your justice.

[@sennnia]

The reason I didn't report...

[@Imbroglia]

im so sorry for you

[@alliewankenobi]

I'm so sorry you had to experience that. I completely agree with you though. The public's response to this trial was pretty disturbing. I'm not siding with Amber, but I've never seen people bash a celebrity like they have with her. It gave men the excuse to just be so misogynistic, and get away with it because most of the general public agreed with them. I just feel like it's gonna be harder for victims of dv, specifically women, to come forward now because they'll be afraid that they'll be vilified by everyone. I truly hope that you see justice someday.

[@ash_tray]

Also a DV & rape victim myself. Wish I could hug you. I’m so sorry :(

[@666kittycat666]

This reminds me of when my mum was complaining that refugees now would get a faster track to government sponsored housing and she wondered aloud why it wasn't given to native people here first to which I literally had to tell her "mum, they're refugees....". I explained to her how upset it made me that it's always framed in such a us versus them type thing while it's absolutely absurd that we are forced to fight with refugees over scraps.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I have similar feelings. My first instict is to feel angry because it's unfair they're getting special treatment while many people in my country have been suffered for decades. But then I remember that it's not refugees' fault that our system is inherently unfair. They're "lucky" because their suffering is shocking enough to wake up our society a bit. Meanwhile people living in generational powerty are the norm Like people are more shocked by terrorist attacks than high suicide rates because one is rare and (I hate to use the word) exciting while the other is just daily occurence. It doesn't matter that one is less deadly than another If you add the fact that certain refugees are treated better than others because they're running away from a war close to us - it's difficult to not lose any hope in humanity

[@666kittycat666]

@@tinnagigja3723 for real. I straight up had arguments with people who were convinced that refugees get a €1.000 in cash by right wing politicians. They don’t. That’s the budget of the accommodations and needs like food for refugee per month. It’s not a lot of money for those things. If that’s the amount spent I can tell you they’re not living the high live. My mum even tried to push back against it asking me if I wouldn’t find it unfair if I were homeless and someone else took the house I could’ve gotten to which I had to reiterate; “I’d rather not be a refugee”.

[@hayley4032]

I agree, it isn't really fair But governments just decide to save face ig

[@666kittycat666]

@@hayley4032 The worst thing about it is that we're a wealthy, west-european country. We built a trade empire through colonialisation and the riches it still brings us. We have the means to take care of people, but over the last 30 years healthcare has been privatised, socalwellfare has been slashed, elderly care is down the drain and people with disabilities better pray they're born in a wealthy family that have the means to take care of them. Rightwing politicians have pointed the finger to immigrants, muslims and refugees but they're not the cause, they're victims of the system just like the rest of us.

[@decoraqueena6413]

Yep, we're definitely fighting over scraps. The media has done a good job of convincing us that living in a counsel house in a god forsaken neighbourhood, living on welfare checks is high living. Meanwhile the higher ups are living comfortably, wiping their cracks with $100 bills knowing that the dumb masses are envying the poor and displaced instead of them.

[@nonononothere]

As a person who unfortunately lives in russia during a war started by, well, russia, i sure can see all the misinformation, clickbait and straight up lies spread out to boost engagement. Even opposition movement media is affected by it. Sad thing is: people do not tend to check their sources and even if you are interested in any topic you are literally bombarded with random info from everywhere, starting from innocent cat video channels ending with serious politics channels. It is exhausting.

[@redElim]

No different here in Germany. Полная жопа

[@nonononothere]

@Agent Bubble honestly? I blame us, the civilians, because we let this country become what it is now. We let it become a predator who feasts on its citizens and preys on its neighbours. But well i have avpd so i tend to blame myself for everything so maybe it's just that and i'm not right at all. Anyway. Thank you for your kind words. I hope you and your loved ones are safe. Героям слава!

[@nonononothere]

@Agent Bubble idk, at least we could be less passive about it or not let propaganda to take over our media. Idk. It's easier to blame ourselves so at least it seems like we used to have some level of control. Maybe we didn't, sure, but it is scary to admit.

[@meow-fm2jv]

@@nonononothere i'm ukrainian too, and i don't have anything clear to say on this at the moment. it's really hard to figure out all of that, i'm pretty young and i was never deep into history or politics so i'm still learning but i want to share my opinion. i don't think it's as simple as "you don't have fair elections", while that is ofc true you can't just pretend people have nothing to do with this. honestly i was disappointed at how so many russians reacted to war. i know it's not all, but it's clear that the public is not just the victims too. everyone suffers from the government's actions, and has been for years, and people have been fed propaganda for years too. and the mentality was shaped by all of that too. and i don't know how much i can blame people, but i don't think it's acceptable to support this war, no matter what, to even excuse it. there are reasons why things are like this, but they're not excuses. but what really matters is, what needs to be done for the best. i don't think it's that important who's fault it is really. i just want to live i want to be happy i want to have a good life and i want other people to have it too. what really matters is to prevent suffering as much as possible, to reduce destruction and violence. but anyways, i think the situation in russia depends on people there for sure, the people in power would be nothing without the population. they're stealing from people and ruining people's lives, everywhere. i'm not sure if i blame the civilians, it's a whole group, it's a mass. but. i do not blame you specifically or any individual civilian for all of this. you as one person cannot be responsible for the whole population. you cannot control them. and i don't expect you to. i also don't expect you to risk your life or health trying to make a difference too. i can't put that on a person. i don't do everything either. i can't do much really, i'm undiagnosed but i believe i most likely have some sort of mental illness. and i said, i just want to live, i want to be able to have a good life someday. i blame myself too. maybe i am wrong. but either way, i think it's good that you're there. it's good that there are people who don't support or excuse genocide, who can look for truth and check info before forming beliefs. i believe you've done what you could. and i don't want to forget about humanity of people. i'm tired too. take care of yourself. дякую

[@nonononothere]

@@meow-fm2jv people like you, young and innocent, are the reason i feel that it is important for at least some of russia dwellers to feel responsible and guilty. At least we can remind the Z-public what they are doing and what they are supporting. I am sorry you have to go through all this and please feel free to put responsibility on all the russians. As a russian i mean it. We need to be held responsible at least for something ffs. Also thank you for being so nice when you don't have to. Wish you and your close ones stay safe. Спасибо, что не хейтите, но вы правда не обязаны.( Тбх я сейчас в крошечном городке живу, и тут все этими zигами и колорадками обвешаны и славят п*тина, не обвинять их очень сложно.

[@ash_tray]

“We’re all being served lies all day long and we all think we know better than everyone else.” That really hit me. We all think we’re on the good side, and that the other side is in the wrong. It’s just a tool being used to keep us looking at each other, blaming each other, not looking up and seeing why they’re doing. We’re all being lied to.

[@paulhammond6978]

I think there was a lot of nuance in verity's point that a lot of these people and social media organisations are not really doing this because they are specifically evil, or because they are pushing one or another political side, but because there's money in it, and engagement is the way to maximise profits, and because it's just the case that for humans anger and polarisation is the easiest way to generate engagement, so you have to do something harder than the easiest thing if you want to make social media better.

[@PuffyPinkPoodle]

All of this propaganda is designed to divide us in every way -- they win if they keep us from being able to wield our collective power. This is why workers labor organizations and Amazon unions are so feared by corporate entities, as they don't want you to be able to assert your rights for better working conditions, higher wages, etc. This is exactly why companies like Amazon use overt, union-busting tactics, because of the collective power their employees would gain via collective union representation.

[@NawiTheCore]

No matter what side you stand on, the vitriol I've seen online has been absolutely disgusting. It is one thing to maybe not believe Amber's SA story, but it is a VERY different thing to make videos MOCKING it. Even if you don't think she's telling the true, it is heinous to mock someone like that for clicks and views. And then there's the whole conspiracy side of things, like those videos claiming she was snorting coke on the stand. Totally ridiculous for anyone with a working brain. As if she'd do with a judge a few inches away.

[@TH0KH]

For real. Johnny supporters mocking Amber/labelling Amber supporters as man haters, and Amber supporters labelling Depp supporters as misogynists doesn't help anyone. It just makes both sides dig deeper into hating the other side and making aaaaaaaall the victims who see it more afraid to come forward.

[@inthedriversseat928]

Honestly, I felt like that should have applied to the court environment also. Seeing Johnny and his team laughing at witnesses on the stand and especially when Amber was describing being SA'd with a bottle. Whether she lied or not, they shouldn't have been allowed to mock her whilst she was testifying. The judge was very strict with the people in the gallery, but not with Johnny and his team. The memes have been absolutely vile. The TikToks are disgusting, especially the ones reenacting "scenes" from Amber's testimony. I'm disappointed by what I've seen, and I'm still getting anti-Amber videos recommended to me by KZbin on the daily. As an abuse survivor, I hate the way she was forced to be the perfect victim, because for me there are still things I don't remember. I don't remember the chronology of everything that happened. I don't have any physical evidence of substance, and I would probably have lost in a trial like that. I fought back, and if my abuser had told me he was going to tell people I abused him, I would have laughed in his face and possibly have said exactly what Amber did. I think the way things played out has set a bad precedent for DV/IPV defamation trials going forward. I think the whole situation is very sad and tough for women and DV/IPV victims.

[@Vivi-ux4wg]

What people think is okay to do when they hate someone always baffles me. They hate someone for saying nasty things, but then go on and say nasty things to or about the person they hate. Don't they see the hypocrisy? It's like they think they are above the person they hate so everything is allowed now.

[@SLYKM]

@@inthedriversseat928 right, the amount of confidence people have that she lied is disturbing because it is really easy to framed a liar bc of inaccuracies in retellings, that is so messed up. And yes, exactly, in the full recording, she didn't mean it in a "no one will believe I abused you, lol," it was more like she was laughing at the absurdity that people will look at what happened to them both and decide she was the main abuser. Funny thing is that it actually happened. What still bothers me is that no one has evidence she lied about SA. Most people site the doctored photos and the recording which as far as the recording goes has been grossly misrepresented in the trial.

[@lemonade_011]

@@inthedriversseat928 I wish people just had the guts to change or at least get “help” and Too not believe everything the media sees :/ It just makes me so mad, I can’t stand how this planet works. That whole trail case, I avoided like the plague because it’s rough and just not right to watch and to get involved in facts we don’t know 🙌. I’m really struggling to understand humanity right now :/

[@Kumaclaws]

At the end of the day, social media rewards horrible behavior and apathy. Measured research is considered “cringe”, caring is “cringe”, and authenticity is “cringe” online. The only thing that matters is engagement and selling your products. It’s why everything is awful on the internet nowadays, why create and fuel your passion when you can just say something inflammatory and then plug your t-shirts or mugs for likeminded people?

[@smidge-J]

I always think of the saying "propaganda goes both ways." It's easy to see that the 'other' side is falling for propaganda and misinfo, but it's not so easy to see that in yourself.

[@ChocookieMonster]

The same goes for this video - calling for people to look for "balanced" accounts and then showing only one side of the discussion felt VERY disingenious to me.

[@farnregen]

Why is it so complicated man… i'm confused

[@chiara.pugs4266]

@@ChocookieMonster because nearly every other source is entirely pro-depp. If you view this video in the context of the discussion it's a part of, then it is quite balanced. You don't always have to argue for both sides in the same breath.

[@gur262]

​@@chiara.pugs4266i watched chunks of the trial with no edit. Sure not the entire thing. Maybe 🤔 I therefore missed something that's totally revolutionary. I don't have that impression though. I have the impression heard sucks. Depp? Well. An alcoholic, a mess. Sure. But that's not equal. There's that recording where amber insults him and his appearance which really sucks.

[@jaybee4118]

@@gur262have a look into what the trial left out, what the judge disallowed (that makes no sense to have disallowed I’ll add). Have a look into the UK trial and why the judge in that trial came to the opposite conclusion. Have a look into the fact that the “psychological evaluation” for Heard was done without even meeting her, unethical at best. The fact some of his witnesses subtly changed their story, the witnesses that are on his payroll with exceptionally good salaries. Have a look at Depp’s texts where he jokes about r*** and murdering Heard, there’s plenty of examples of him saying wild things about her and his other ex’s. There’s some really disgusting bits about Vanessa Paradis. He has pages of texts where he insults plenty of people. And listen to longer sections of the recordings, a lot of the time she’s been clipped out of context. Maybe you’ll come away with a slightly different conclusion. I know I did.

[@mystic-malevolence]

Real-time memeing about a domestic abuse/defamation trial was certainly some kind of low.

[@anny_draws3023]

In Russia we had a similar case when an underage girl was raped at the party and the family of the rapist went on the national television.THE WHOLE COUNTRY was straight up denying the fact that the girl was raped and she even became a meme because of the way she spoke and dressed herself. So many people defended the rapist because he had "kind eyes" and the girl and her family were bullied so much that they had to change multiple jobs and living locations because they got attacked.The girls name is Diana Shurygina

[@phoney2627]

Damn saying that really suck would be an understatement. I googled this case and managed to find a photo of both the girl and the rapist and he did not have kind eyes I don't know what his defenders are on.

[@joshraid1550]

@@phoney2627They see a white man in conflict with a woman and immediately feel bad for the man and imagine he’s an uwu soft boy victim. If this was a large black dude he’d have been publicly murdered in court even if she was lying.

[@tit-r8q]

Как только услышала о ситуации с Херд и Деппом, сразу вспомнила это, как жаль что в россии, все также винят жертв

[@kaeya8674]

My fuckin gawd

[@joshraid1550]

​@@randomusername3873 Huh? What did I say to make you think this? If this is about amber heard, then you should know that johnny Depp has a lengthy history of abusing women and amber heard does not.

[@sweetprincess787]

I became extremely sceptical of social media because during the pandemic I was having a hard time dealing with my mom, and I talked about it in private digital conversations and then later on tiktok there were a stream of videos of people complaining or joking about how toxic and abusive their moms were, and I was like... I never said my mom is toxic or abusive, I know the situation we're in is mainly because the both of us are highly stressed and this is not entirely her fault, and yeah, we started communicating better and going to therapy and we could figure it out, but I think that if I had carried on with what Tiktok was showing me, it would have been very easy to remain in conflict with her just because of an algorithm that feeds of the difficulties and the anger people feel

[@basilmemories]

@T I mean, you also shouldn't trust google, facebook, youtube, twitter... pretty much any site that has a social media aspect and a half-decent coder team is actively trying to find the perfect little venn diagram of your interests, and to keep you engaged with them as long as possible. I personally hate tiktok because of the user interface and the lack of monitoring has led to some serious mgtow-level garbage on the platform, but the overarching idea of the video is that these algorithms are a problem in general, not platform-specific.

[@basilmemories]

@T I mean, I'd be just as concerned that russian hackers and the alt-right used facebook's system to ultimately give the country to the despot trump who didn't care for our rule of law, but you do you I guess?

[@rontheron4807]

Same thing here, post after post after post making everything a symptom of narcissism every time I texted friends that I was in disagreement with my parents when they are truly some of the best one could be blessed with. Content that raises awareness is super important, it's the fact that a single text can have you clocked by the algorithm as something you're not and overexposed to content that will influence you greatly that makes me crazy

[@TigerPrawn_]

Nothing on social media is truly private.

[@krishafyme]

Same, my parents are bit strict but I started seeing toxic abusive parents reels n felt I relateble then I was like no this is not that bad, it just normal but social media made me think they are that horrible, ik they aren't most not strict but the kind of videos I was watching was scary

[@jessicafulton7089]

The Amber Johnny case is so socially sensitive and it’s weird how people are making edits, re-enacting the trial and I have even seen companies making merch off “iconic” quotes from the trial. It’s just insensitive and reflects how social media has desensitised everyone when it comes to serious topics Edit: do you think these celebrities should have a jury? On your point about biases within the jury, it is hard to find a jury who will avoid social media or situations in which the trial will be mentioned. For weeks on end, I had my family constantly talking about it to me, even though I was not following the trial on social media. Think the case should not have been publicised whatsoever.

[@flicnerdy4385]

Also with famous people like actors I think many people would also find it hard to seperate the person from their content "Oh the funny pirate guy can't be that bad, right?"

[@cazdoodle7737]

Seriously. How much can you wring out of "my dog stepped on a bee"

[@flicnerdy4385]

@T What do you mean? The bottom was a hypothetical quote, not what I beleive.

[@flicnerdy4385]

@T oh, ok. I didn't watch any of the trial because it's none of my business, so I didn't know she said that.

[@dbzcupcake]

Celebrities don't get special treatment, or they shouldn't at least. Let's not forget at the beginning of this trial MOST people were on Ambers side until more and more information was given out. I really doubt this had much of an impact on the jury as 1) they had to be pre-screened anyways to ensure there was no bias 2) even if they had access to their phones they would have seen all those edits AFTER having sat through the trial all day. If ANYONE had any reason to be drained and bored of the topic I can't imagine after a whole day stuck in a court room I'd want to watch tiktoks about a few lines I heard hours ago. (Especially since some where just those crappy reenactments) That said it actually would have been pretty easy to avoid the Johnny Amber thing if you ACTUALLY wanted to. I already knew a lot of the details about it years before it went to court. Hell for personal reasons (not even big ones tbh) I HAD to be in Virginia around the midway point of the trial. I was like maybe a half hour away and I hadn't realized that the trial was even happening I had so little investment. It wasn't till around 4 days into my stay with the friend I was crashing with even mentioned it I realized it was happening. I feel like too many people live and breath the Internet now a days. I'm young but just have no fucks to give for celebrities. But even if I did who can sit through hours of court hearing and watch tiktoks about the same thing you just had drain away your day?

[@fightscrimewhilesleeping4024]

This is the first even slightly related "Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial" content I've clicked on, and I have no regrets.

[@ichliebebaeumeweilbaum]

Same

[@elainelouve]

Same

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

It's absolutely wrong.

[@sarahkate2669]

This is sich a depressing topic, but thanks for bringing attention to it. We spend so much of our lives in these digital spaces, yet think so little about how they're structured.

[@magdajabonska537]

Something I've thought of today - given how much they impact both the world in general, perhaps doing a "social media revolution" of some sort* could be the key to actually bring about some positive change in this world and potentially create tools or a medium which, while not necessarily perfect, would be super useful for fighting against exploitative systems in various areas of life *I don't know what exactly and how to do it, I'm not an expert in this or any related subject and I've only really started thinking about this recently, but I bet there are people more knowledgeable than me who could find some kind of a solution

[@ninjamatt2164]

True

[@GentleRalts]

i really do despise the meme-ification of the depp/heard trial. i moderate for a twitch streamer and the chat rules are general "don't be a bigot, don't bring up controversial topics and downer current events, etc etc" type stuff, and we had to remind a chat member that the trial was in fact a controversial topic and not to make jokes about it. they did stop and said something along the lines of "sorry about that, i thought it was fine because everybody loves johnny depp," and i feel like that's pretty exemplary of your whole childhood hero bit.

[@VariousAndSundryBee]

I was lucky to find people who talked about the trial with a sense of compassion and knowledge of the law. It wasn’t entertainment, it was educational for me. I don’t understand how people can meme about something they haven’t even watched.

[@user-eg5kt9fy2j]

Who did u watch? I could only find like 2 or 3 people but they only made one off videos. I really wanted to find some people who talked about things during and/or after the trail because there’s so much stuff I’ve seen online that I know is bad framing or false but I don’t want to research it all myself

[@beardpandaa]

@@user-eg5kt9fy2j runkle of the bailey is a lawyer who was there in the court in the gallery who talks about it. Emily d Baker streamed the whole thing everyday that it was happening

[@creatrixZBD]

@@user-eg5kt9fy2j Black Belt Barrister, , Legal Bytes, Incredibly Average, Harvard Lawyer Lee (my fave), Hoeg Law all gave good insight, as well as Runkle mentioned above. My experience of the trial coverage was pretty good, I didn’t come across many gutter channels at all.

[@cocoa020]

@@creatrixZBD Yeah Alyte or Legal Bytes kept the conversation fairly civil and Hoeg Law came in blind and only perceived what the jury might have on the stand to be as unbiased as possible. It was really insightful for the trial proceedings in general

[@cayleece7890]

Yeah, me too. I watched it through Emily D Baker. She is compassionate and understands law, nd her audience is there to do that as well.

[@stillmagic714]

Oh my God. These are the new fairy folk. They're not technically "evil" just amoral, they don't care about anything but themselves. If you eat the food in fairyland you'll never want to leave, just like clickbait sucks you in and you can't stop scrolling AND time passes faster when you're in fairyland/scrolling. They produce nothing of value and must steal from the real world for resources, just like a parasitic fairy world. Holy crap you've helped me crack it! Ok, I'll watch the rest of the video now. Edit: I can't stop with this analogy, if we accept their gifts, it gives them power over us, there are always strings attached, they never tell the whole truth! And listen, I've watched as people I love seemed to be replaced by a changeling.

[@beth7935]

Yes! That's a great analogy & I love it! The original concept of fairies & fairyland is fascinating overall, especially that they're amoral- pure evil vs pure good is so boring, ntm non-existent & a really bad way to view the world, & it makes everything meaningless, really.

[@stillmagic714]

You try not to tell them your real name!

[@gh0st_b0yfriend]

You should 100% write this allegory

[@theentirepopulationofaustr6046]

Love this so much. Makes me think about etymology - pixels aren't etymologically related to pixies (though it sounds like they should be), but sprites are a kind of fae.

[@hinasakukimi]

strongly disagree. fairies offer much more value, they're pretty and sparkly!!

[@alexisnotabrocoli4502]

I remember posting an article on my Instagram story about how the media demonized Amber Heard and the obvious parallel with Medusa (the rest of my account was just my art). But I still got someone messaging me that because I had posted an article saying that no matter the outcome of the trial the way they destroyed amber heard in the media was not OK ; they couldn't follow me anymore, which was hallucinating.

[@Princess_Weekes]

An excellent break down.

[@insomnimaniac58]

hello omg queens stanning queens

[@antihinduismisbased]

Speaking of which, your video on this subject matter was, by far, my favourite video of yours. Really opened my eyes to the pop cultural madness that is going on for this trial and how it relates to the 'true crime thinking' about victims and our perception of who is innocent and who isn't.

[@AlexHider]

@@antihinduismisbased same

[@squashfei8907]

so was your video

[@Neloch4]

Loved your video on the subject. Here's to the queens

[@Boahemaa]

This analysis of social media was amazing. The blood thirsty nature of those who covered the trial disturbed me but people had picnics at lynchings so I should not be surprised.

[@rikaniebangbang]

I am so excited you're talking about this. I avoided most content regarding the trial because people were talking about it with such vitriol. Can't wait to see your take on this whole insanity.

[@colleenwheeler2939]

I truly agree with you on that,

[@postrachsmietnikow]

Why the bots in the replies? And completely unrelated?

[@inthedriversseat928]

@@postrachsmietnikow Report them all.

[@tony_starch]

@@postrachsmietnikow I recommend just reporting them

[@postrachsmietnikow]

@@tony_starch i did but reporting doesn't do anything

[@geekyhive]

I thought I was gonna watch a good video about Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial, instead I watched a GREAT video about social media, and how it can literally change our futures in the worst way, and I'm not even talking about toxicity. You're amazing!

[@nospoonfulofmayonnaiseforme]

Mm same

[@jonreededworthy7518]

I will never understand why it is I'm supposed to think Johnny Depp is a decent human being just because he was sort of funny in those pirate films

[@TransbelleGwen]

Not even funny he’s just femboy Will Ferrell

[@Mapachonista]

I will never understand why it is I'm supposed to believe that Amber Heard is a victim only because of her gender.

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

​@@TransbelleGwennew combination of words just dropped

[@alabamaslammer3921]

That's how I feel these days. I didn't know this until after the trial but he had started a relationship with Winona Ryder when he was 27 and she was *17*. Not to mention that it's common celebrity practice for older guys trying to move minors to other states where they can legally marry them. Even if he is a victim, that doesn't mean he's a good guy or he's some fricking saint

[@Connor17199]

It's probably not because he was sort of funny and moreso that there's no evidence he did anything to anything other than his kitchen cupboard doors, whilst there is plenty of evidence of her lying (unless she's a time traveller) and admitting to hitting him

[@bulgna]

Never mind those fanatics were also in the comments of everything. I could be watching a cat video and I'd see a comment saying how they wished the scratching pole was amber heard. The hate towards this woman was UNREAL. And her name is already being used by mysoginists to raise doubt against victims

[@kaavyaramachandran5486]

there was a video on the internet few years ago where a famous basketball player was caught on camera literally picking up and throwing his wife across the room and beating sh*tless her in front of their baby boy. that incident didn't receive even 0.0001 percent of the hate that this woman received. i do believe that amber was in the wrong and that she shouldn't be able to escape the consequences of her actions but my god. the lengths that people have gone to is just astonishing. and that was even before the verdict.

[@alilweeb7684]

Because she lied about being abused. She literally reaped what she sowed, and all the people that defended her because "trust all abuse victims" look how good it did now lmao. Yall defended a liar and now are mad when this example is used against you

[@2009hdj]

@@alilweeb7684 lol, you’re out of date. Go look up the evidence that was in the appeal brief that was inexplicably barred from being included in the trial (but was used in the UK trial, hence the different verdicts. Also more bias from jury members). Years of therapist notes, therapist who consulted both of them who concluded JD was instigator abuser, years of text messages to friends, and much more. JD wrote texts admitting abuse. UK court found him to be a very unreliable witness and liar. Almost all witnesses of JD were on his payroll. All these people were found to be unreliable by UK judges. Woman who claims Amber stole her SA story didn’t even know the contents of the testimony, she had it out for Amber because she was fired by her. The appeal was so compelling that JD ended up settling with her, so the verdict doesn’t even stand anymore.

[@ellaocean]

one of the VERY WORST trend I saw with #that trial was WOMEN making videos reacting to Amber describing her s*x*al abuse. they were MOANING, making sexual suggestions. they were sick

[@lordnokia4222]

Sick in the head

[@espeon871]

Fr like its just tactless and hurtful to SA victims

[@jaybee4118]

@momofdy8sadly I know one woman that was r***d and abused that made fun of her. Unfortunately we’re no longer friends because she disliked that I questioned her on how she could do that. Even if she didn’t believe it, why make fun of it? It disturbed me.

[@thinkingoverthenight]

Hi Verity! I'm from the Philippines and I mostly agreed with what you were saying but I'd like to add a caveat to your ending statements. The fact that Facebook comes free with our internet and the fact that most people are realizing that there's a cheaper way of having access to information makes the SIFT model or what I think is essentially individual responsibility difficult to implement. People who spend all day working (arguably under unfair wages) to provide for their families would not have time to actually think about what social media is doing to them. Thus, SIFTing is a privelege that only those with time, money, and access to the internet beyond Facebook can afford. It would be unfair to ask people to just stop when social media has become a viable way to spend your free time. For me, the solution is truly to touch grass and engage with those who are different from you. Social media creates biases within us against anyone who thinks otherwise and thus just ACTUALLY talking to people changes the way you think and is already against the mode in which social media functions. Unfortunately, when you live in a place with a young democracy with authoritarian tendencies, this only serves the elite. I don't disagree with anything you said but I think this is a perspective needed when we talk about social media because it truly has affected how the state functions for us and let me tell you it is absolutely terrifying to live in the Philippines right now when what you want to pursue is truth. Thanks for reading.

[@thinkingoverthenight]

also thanks for actually pronouncing Filipino names right !!

[@kamusta3446]

*cough* Marcos troll farm *cough*

[@mentallyunstable1926]

talking to people at rallies help too i think. the energy at leni rallies i went to made me a lot more confident in who i was supporting just based on other people so yes, touch some grass and talk to others if you don’t have access to other options.

[@TrebleChords]

It's scary when your actual family believe in the lies that they hear on the internet to go as far as framing me as having the "morally" wrong choice. Stuff like "she's a woman, women can't lead... Have you seen our track record with leading women? Many people on "TikTok" said...". It was a nightmare at the household and this phenomena holds too true after the elections...

[@BritneyT.]

Thank you for this

[@MAjaLeahHB]

as someone who works in social media and advertising i'm so happy you talked about this, more people need to know how scarily venerable we make ourselves online and how easily we believe what is fed to us.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

There was a KZbinr (not taking names) who talked about the inundation of content that can be displeasing but this person had no qualms making a spectacle out of the trial. Irony just died.

[@LILY-bw5tq]

For real, I’ve seen multiple youtubers and content creators who previously stressed critical consumption of media/things you see on the internet and how it effects real life suddenly turn around and make strangely lighthearted or low-researched videos, streams, jokes, posts, etc. about the trial.

[@ollieno971]

Please tell me who I’m curious lol

[@millyvanilly9542]

@@ollieno971 Hasanabi

[@glitteryfaery]

@@millyvanilly9542 of course it was him lmao

[@teetee996112]

@@millyvanilly9542 hasan literally said both were wrong and only talked about part of it. Very odd of you to try and point fingers at him while avidly consuming things about the trial.

[@georgieleach7379]

The word “advertising” 10 mins in was cut in half by ads and honestly I’m not even mad, it was satisfying

[@kid14346]

My favorite thing is how I am very far left, but I enjoy a lot of hobbies typically engaged with by more right leaning nut cases (Table top war games, Anime, and Shooter Games) The algorithm literally wiffle waffles weekly about what it shows me. It will be like, "You are an atheist and played Call of Duty a little bit ago... do you want this propoganda for the US Marines?" then the next week it is like, "Okay you spent 4 hours watching CJ the X rant about capitalism and you just watched the Owl House... do you want some ads for Pride Flags?"

[@postrachsmietnikow]

Same xd

[@beth7935]

Same, I'm far left but I get weird right-leaning & "anti-SJW" shit sometimes, & I tend to think youtube's confused cos I watch ANTI-anti-SJW stuff, lol, but that's an interesting thought- maybe watching lots of stuff about, like, Mediaeval warfare & fight scenes in movies etc also confuses it?? More than enough sexist mAnLy mEn there, whining about "wokeness" while I just wanna know how you survive an arrow to the face... I dunno, but it recommends a fair bit of stuff I'd never watch.

[@anteroinen4239]

Meanwhile KZbin seems to be really into pushing me women's hygiene product and especially, like incontinence exercises? Which, like, is fine, but I am cis-man, not in a relationship with a woman even? For whomst are these products supposed to go? My mother?

[@NoiseDay]

I beat the algorithm by 1) never watching youtube on my phone 2) using a chrome extension that blocks ads and 3) using another extension that removes youtube recommendations. I find new channels when I search for specific things that are relevant to me. I don't get caught in a loop binging time-wasting content like comedy skits or cute animals or clickbait.

[@satyre_1]

Haha! Same. I beat the algorithm. One video, it'd be from a Transgender, very progressive, left-leaning content creator. The next, it'd be about how diverse representation in media are the lefties wet dream and it's ruining Hollywood and every franchise we love! Like haha, Jesus fucking Christ, KZbin, calm down. And despite being a huge fan of "The Legend of Korra" (notorious for internet hate), I'd get series reviews from frustratingly biased and nostalgia-driven "content creators".

[@shrimpbiscuit3480]

This hits home! Instagram is my primary social media outlet and everyone I interact with on there has either refused to post about the trial or has posted minimally and correctly identified how messed up it all is. I idiotically thought TikTok would be the same and commented something like “yeah Heard is cringe and I don’t like her, but what Depp did was really messed up” and the vitriolic responses I got were so detached from reality I was truly shook. This trial was very similar to the OJ Simpson trial in many ways and it’s really sad to see we haven’t learned anything since then, the public reacted in exactly the same way.

[@corvus8873]

If all you're getting out of this video is the Johnny Depp trial, you're completely missing the big picture of what this video is trying to say

[@muccycloud]

as someone who studies sciences at uni and has citations drilled into me for anything I wrote it baffles me that most mainstream news sites don't have citations on their articles, even for super long researched pieces. and the surprise I get from people that I have citations on my own website, not only can people double check me, and see my sources, it also means that they can go and do their own further research if the topic interests!

[@muhammadeisa1459]

What's your site called?

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

there are some situations where actual journalists are allowed to not have citations, if the article is their own original reporting. It can be helpful in some situations to give sources anonymity, and in that case you do have to trust the reputation and honesty of the journalist. don't news sites usually have citations for statistics and when they are quoting experts and research? Usually the citations are embedded, and not in footnotes like a scientific paper, but most of the information has attribution if you read the article? They usually say things like "according to reporting by [other newspaper]" or "according to research by [institute for researching topic]" or "Professor [scientist] from the university of [city]..." It's not exactly as precise as you would get in a scientific paper. The writing style is based on writing for a newspaper, where footnotes wouldn't be used by most readers so they're not a good use of printing space. The embedded citations usually give enough information that you can find the source if you go looking. If you are reading online there are usually hyperlinks too.

[@RoselynTate]

Thank you so much for making this, definitely going to be sending this video to a bunch of folks!! You strike such a good balance between informative and thought-provoking, while also injecting your personality, and moments of entertainment and levity, without either undermining the other, which is honestly such a delicate balance, so hat's off to you!

[@jlo9993]

I've recently been debating whether or not I'm autistic and all of a sudden TikTok is trying to tell me I am. Like undoubtedly. Most of my FYP is just "signs of autism" or "silly autism things".

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

I am a clinical psychologist and have just been disgusted by this whole trial. I know a bad BPD diagnosis when I see one, but the general public takes these at face value. Dr Curry looks well put together, she is the first to make a claim and essentially it is the one many people already want to believe. But to people who know how a diagnosis works? 14 hours with just a clinical interview and 2 tests and that is it? That is enough to claim someone has BPD to millions of people? You would interview people normally over months. The average amount of of tests used are 15. But the biggest issue is the MMPI-2 results. Dr Curry says she had heightened symptoms on the BPD profile. And alarm bells are already ringing...What is heightened? Why not reached the criteria for clinical diagnosis? Because we later find out from Dr Hughes her highest score was 56. There are 10 scales and to be diagnosed she had to have scored 65 on the 3 related to BPD. The mean score for a healthy adult is around 50 for the scales (48-54 range among them). The standard deviation is 9, so 68% of people would score between 41-59. So 56 would fit within the first standard deviation, so it is slightly above average on one scale. Heightened to me would be maybe between 59-65 at the least, in the top 14% but not clinically significant. But you still would not diagnose BPD with those scores. The average for someone diagnosed with a personality disorder is a lot higher than 65 as well, 65 is the minimum score and she had to have 3! Dr Curry can't claim it was because Amber was downplaying symptoms because this test includes a K-scale which corrects for that and then the scores would in the correction also have to be above 65. So to summarize, the test Dr. Curry used to diagnose her debunks her diagnosis. There is no way she should have been publicly diagnosed as that and people eat it up. But try to fit this into a tiktok or tweet and even if you manage you would likely still be attacked by fans of Depp. But remember, just because you are on on side, doesn't mean you have to accept everything from them even when they are not truthful.

[@SimplyChloe_]

you're basing your distrust of Dr Curry on the testimony of Dr Hughes? even though she has several examples showing that she's biased/dishonest?

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

@@SimplyChloe_ If that score wasn't 56 Dr. Curry could have corrected her considering it was a test she administered herself. If that is the highest score on all scales, and the correction of the K scale doesn't reach 65 either, you cannot diagnose any personality disorder, it is basically all you need to know if you are already familiar with the MMPI-2. It is as if someone did an IQ test and scored a 95 and someone tries to pass that off as them being mentally challenged, when it is completely average, just slightly below the mean. There is no reason for me to trust Dr Curry if she can diagnose someone in front of millions with 2 stigmatized personality disorders and this is what she coughs up as her evidence. Dr Hughes is a much more experienced psychologist, she pretty much has the highest level of credentials you can receive and unlike Curry she is specialized in IPV. She even was an expert witness during the NXIVM trial and the R. Kelly trial. Dr. Curry has other troubles such as meeting a celebrity client at their home and having dinner with them. In any normal case she would have met lawyers at her office. There is audio where Depp is telling Heard she has BPD as well as him claiming '“She is a calculating, diagnosed borderline personality; she is sociopathic; she is a narcissist; and she is completely emotionally dishonest.” in the UK trial when that was 2 years before the first time she was diagnosed as that by Dr Curry. He seems to want her to be diagnosed with this badly and shopped around until he found someone willing to give that diagnosis despite their own test results claiming differently.

[@rampion1228]

It's obvious that they picked BPD because of all the stigma and the fact that the diagnosis is so dodgy is an important point but also using BPD to discredit a victim of DV and SA is horrifying. I have BPD and while I struggled with lashing out at others as a child for most of my life all my agression has been channeled towards harming myself, not others. This includes getting involved/staying in emotionally abusive and unstable relationships because I thought it was what I deserved. People with BPD can be manipulative and abusive the same as anyone else but we don't deserve the stigma against us.

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

​@@rampion1228 It turns out Curry has even been liking tweets calling Amber a hoe and the R-slur as well as being a good friend of Camille so in no way unbiased. She already had no expertise in this specific area and how did the skip actual IPV experts for someone whose job it is to diagnose veterans. And then she likes tweets that say horrible things about her? Some from during the trial. Whole case is madness.

[@Mapachonista]

​@@anne-zh2kd Physical and emotional abuse are very common in cluster b personality disorders. Many people have been abused by NPDs and BPDs, it's very common but very overlooked by society in general.

[@Bruno-jj2oi]

I just deleted my Instagram account for good, using only YT as a social media and videos like these just makes me even more secure of my decision

[@helgaioannidis9365]

I watched the trial itself out of professional interests (I work with male and female victims of domestic abuse) and it annoys me that since that KZbin keeps offering me videos about Miss Heard and about Mr Depp. I am still actively feeding the algorithm with other things to get rid of those videos that promote gossip and hatred.

[@siyeonjung3357]

literally muted every single word related to them on twitter and i still could not escape them.... honesty this whole case disgusts me cause not only people are treating serious domestic violence case as a form of entertainment, people are also seeing johnny depp as some innocent guy when in reality he did some questionable stuff and has history of aggression

[@delusionalmilkshake]

Thank you! Wished I could like your comment thousands of time. That dude has very disturbing past. I still don't understand how can anyone for a moment think he is some innocent man.

[@Naahi95]

I don't care about Amber, I didn't even knew who she was before this, but never liked Depp. He comes across as a very sexist and agressive person, and the reason he was "losing jobs" before was not the DV allegations, it was HIS BEHAVIOUR on set.

[@ithinkiwoulddie9196]

@@Naahi95 no one wants to talk about how he’s best friends with Marilyn Manson and the fact he also admittedly “gave him drugs so he’d stop talking so much”

[@c.w.8200]

Wow, I'm glad someone made this video. I looked up news coverage about the trial and was bombarded with Amber Heard hate videos in the recommendations, really disgusting stuff.

[@ishanrukshan6431]

Nope it's good fk amber Heard.

[@PaxPirate]

Really clever video and good points! Just want to add that this was a CIVIL trial, not a criminal one. It was a civil, monetary defamation dispute. It wasn't about justice - but it was made into that in the public space. It was never about punishing and deciding who is right or wrong in this private matter of a toxic relationship. The SoMe space is reframimg the whole thing with the "Justice for Johnny". It's about whether this one rich person defamed the other person, which relies on the domestic violence allegations yes but that was not the core of the case. We are missing the nuance when passing criminal judgment on a civil case.

[@cayleece7890]

Agreed. You are spot on

[@darkfruit2412]

The best way to describe the trial is this - if I stabbed you, then you hit me with a paper knife, but lied about it, I could file a court case against you for lying about scratching me with a paper knife....and win. But in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't make me the victim.

[@alilweeb7684]

She did singlehandedly destroy Jhonny career, you think people wouldn't be mad when she was proved to be lying multiple times???

[@PokhrajRoy.]

In India, we had the same thing when a Mainstream Hindi Cinema Actor took his own life. Everyone became an investigative journalist and a source of video revenue.

[@beth7935]

That's really horrible, but sadly believable.

[@voodoomagic90]

Ah yes. I remember this all too well and then it was all about bollywood and "inner circle drug whatsapp groups" among actors and what not. Utter rubbish that was diverting attention from the Farmers' Protests and The CAA protests.

[@CasualShinji]

This was a remarkably nice and calm watch despite the devastatingly hopeless implications of the content. Maybe it's your voice, I don't know.

[@HPFireYT]

Seeing videos talking about this trial on the internet made me start thinking about how normally, this would be handled privately and away from the news. Then I felt almost voyeuristic, so I just ignored all coverage until I heard it ended, and continued ignoring it after. I think seeing a fancam of Johnny Depp randomly appear in my recommended broke me a little. It was… weird.

[@sapphic.flower]

amazing video, it feels rare to find people that recognize the Heard-Depp trial for what it is, no matter who the actual guilty party is. The online exploitation and inflammatory vitriol felt like society was regressing in order to lavish in the "spicy drama" of... domestic abuse. I felt so frustrated and I could hardly vocalize it without people thinking I'm an abuse-sympathizer when that's not even what the issue is. The fact anyone felt like they could "help" Depp is really just daunting.

[@bitchenboutique6953]

I had their names and every hashtag I could think of muted on Twitter, and STILL I COULD NOT ESCAPE IT. It was vomitous. I’m considering talking about it on my show just because it makes me so angry and things that make me angry do tend to be topic fodder, but… ugh.

[@karak962]

same, I literally just avoided social media for several days. it was horrifying. I'm so so so so happy to see someone talking about this. Much love from me!

[@minoena]

twitter shows you things people you follow on twitter like so that could also be it. had a similar issue

[@IkesPimpHand]

Men getting any degree of justice and equal treatment (although it wasn't even close,and only him being a millionaire ensured he got ANY at all) and women facing ANY degree of consequences for DV and false accusations is "vomitous" to you,huh?

[@phoney2627]

​@@IkesPimpHand I am all for men getting justice for being abused and the women who abused them getting what they deserve and to some level I was happy to see that people were calling out Amber Heard as much as they did. But the issue with this case is that neither of them are blameless, I'd argue that they're both abusive and bad for each other, but the internet made it such a black and white issue and if anyone brought any nuance to the conversation they got accused of not taking men's abuse seriously.

[@IkesPimpHand]

@@phoney2627 I can understand your perspective, but you're absolutely wrong in this case. He was much nicer than she deserved, and the fact is that society's been so conditioned to handling women and their feelings like they are infants that even standing up for yourself against an abusive woman is seen as abusive. And this is me being kind, giving you the benefit of doubt by assuming you're coming at this with good but misguided intentions and not that of an insidious feminist looking to somehow minimise women's abuse and somehow make them "equal" in blame when it's not even close to the same ballpark.

[@coagulatedsalts4711]

johnny didn’t do good stuff, amber didn’t do good stuff. i think they need therapy.

[@jsp34159]

I love this video and this comment section. It’s really encouraging to know there are other sane people out there. Whatever the truth was, the vitriol that was targeted at Amber was a modern day misogynistic witch trial. It made me truly concerned for all women and the backsliding state of equality.

[@theniftycat]

This is why I love tumblr. It has misinformation as everywhere, but it tries to monetise itself differently. So, there are a lot less ads I see and virtually no influencers

[@XxMusicxKelseyxX]

My most prominent ad is an ad for tumblr itself for some reason? And it has a poorly done pikachu cosplayer on it? I really appreciate that ad, even though I get it a lot.

[@daalimbe]

that pikachu man... god, that and the goddamn manscaped ads before it 💀

[@StormSought]

Also, people say all kinds of ridiculous stuff, but if you're following the right people, it'll never come across your dash without sourced discussions. I was listening to my younger sibling and I was like... I guess tiktok doesn't even have peer review, people just believe whatever

[@supervideomaker9136]

The while Johnny and Amber trial was insane for me. Mainly because both seemed like awful people get so many people were willing to defend Johnny and hate on Amber(personally I didn’t care for both so I ignored the trial. Even now, I barely know what the conclusion was)

[@BribriMari]

I love the way your citations show throughout the videos. It makes it so easy when I want to know more about something :) i’d love to see more of that online

[@superdrwholock]

I love how the most sheep-like people are the ones who say 'don't be a sheep!'

[@suelen9993]

I thought "let me just click anything while I eat my lunch, I wont pay attention anyways" now I feel like I've been shot in the knee and my life will never the same. Thank you for the informations!! I knew a bit about many of those things but never saw how they connected to each other!

[@jungtothehuimang]

Thank you for not ending on a hopeless note, I have been trying very hard to disconnect from social media lately to the point of deleting the few media accounts I do have just to take a break. But I know eventually I will need to go back, and it feels to overwhelming. But keeping these tips in mind mind help honestly.

[@MiriamClairify]

I'm so glad you talked about Myanmar and the Philippines and Google and Facebook racing to provide internet to Africa, it really puts the issue in context and I just wish more analysis of all kinds of things had the perspicacity to include people outside the anglosphere and in the global south. And like as awful as the trial coverage was, the genocide of Rohingya people really does deserve to be in the center of conversations about misinfo on Facebook.

[@l.tc.5032]

One silver lining is I see more and more people quitting social media. It's small minority but I genuinely think it will grow. Why? Because it's killing our mental health. We need real interactions not FOMO over our friends "perfect" life (and my perfect I mean carefully curated) I've made it it a point to try to hang out with actual people more often. Going for a drink, going shopping, out for brunch. It all feels so much better than doomscrolling and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Plus with all the whistle blowing on the danger of misinformation I think people are slowly starting to wise up and just leave it behind, I think we may be starting to see the if not the death than the shrinking of social media. I don't think it will be fast in fact I think there's a good chance that it may get worse before it gets better but I can see signs that people are blocking their ears to the sound of social media's siren call.

[@AKINAC16]

the first real nuanced commentary ive seen on main youtube. finally. thank you for bringing up how first world techboys affect the global south.

[@uhohspaghettios2391]

This video is incredible, and I really want to send it to my mom, as she's proved VERY susceptible to misinformation of late. Unfortunately, she's 1. Conservative and 2. Incredibly transphobic, so I doubt she'd even bother to watch. ...God, this is depressing.

[@blue1584]

There are sources for the articles discussed (they appear periodically in the upper corner of the video), so maybe you could just have her read the articles directly instead?

[@c.w.8200]

My mom is in her 60s and even though she's university educated she tends to believe stupid stuff if the website it's on looks "professional" like a real news site. I usually take the time to debunk the whole thing for her, I do a little presentation on the plausibility of whatever she's convinced of, who profits from lying etc.

[@meh4294]

I found it really weird how this case was treated like a TV show ,this is not acting ,this is a real life case abt assault,no one should protect any side of it ,it was a really weird phenomenon in the internet and I hope it ended

[@ladyzoe5734]

Fantastic video. This has really given me a morale boost and a much needed lesson on what to look out for, and how to be an ethical social media user and keep my sanity. Thank you!!!!

[@blurpleflorp]

I very rarely leave comments, like videos, or otherwise make a presence on youtube apart from the passive presence of watching things. I’m constantly on the verge of deleting all my socials - losing track of various friends and wiping away years of my own history - because i am so afraid of being perceived. I am so viscerally afraid of being found, linked to my past, deemed cringe or stupid or ignorant for opinions i once held but now find outdated. For jokes I once made but no longer find funny. For the times in which I did exactly what this video warns us all not to do - leapt to assumptions, didn’t track sources, allowed myself to be rewritten by an algorithm I didn’t take the time to understand. this video analysis was so good, and others of your videos have been so good, that I am creeping out from beneath my little internet rock to like and comment and try to up the engagement you receive even if its just one little digit ticking up on a number that’s already six figures. I hope this helps. Please keep creating!

[@klisterklister2367]

The best call ive ever made is never getting tiktok and deleting my twitter.

[@germandarling123]

Same

[@chiiawa]

i know you said this all made you feel hopeless, but seeing someone talk about this and truly understanding things and putting into words what i have been unable to talk about to anyone truly gives me hope

[@tabularasa]

A culture of citations, yes! Love it. Great video. I abandoned social media (except KZbin) about five years ago, but I still think about this stuff all the time, worried for the effects on the minds of my neighbors and peers. A while back, I learned the details about Facebook's involvement in Myanmar with horror. I believe all of Facebook's c-level executives should be held accountable for crimes against humanity. Thank you for addressing issues with internet infrastructure in the global south, in places like the Philippines and other nations, where Facebook IS the only internet. We know misinformation is bad in the West, but it can be even worse in nations that are trying to develop. The constant spread of false information is one of the most pressing concerns in the world today. It infects every aspect of our lives. But we *can* be proactive. We can invest more in education, better media literacy (such as using the tactics you elaborate on near the end of your video), write better laws combating the invasiveness and monopoly of tech, and to be more conscious of our own usage. !! Thank you for all the citations, I definitely want to watch this again and look for some of them

[@ddahlia3607]

tiktok is the absolute worst for this because unlike other social media sights, it doesnt give you any tool to filter and its entirely algorithm. i had to stop using it after noticing how much it would change my mood and how I felt about things. it started off being dumb but it got to the point where it identified my as mentally ill and wouldnt stop sending very triggering and upsetting "relatable" content to me. still i was spending hours on there and I had to log out to free myself

[@lolly9804]

It's so easy to lapse into believing something from a seemingly well informed source. Like I remember watching a otherwise quite well done video essay on the historical queer panic defence. But it listed my country as still having this issue. Even though I remember celebrating the law being repealed in parliament, in like 2004/2005. I even checked with my gay friend who works in corrections just to make sure I hadn't jumped timelines by accident.

[@paulhammond6978]

Sure, but it's possible that a good article just missed out a recent change - it doesn't make the essay wrong, it just means the essayist has made a mistake.

[@lolly9804]

@@paulhammond6978Well 2005 isn't recent. And sure the rest of the piece was perfectly fine. My main point was it was enough of a minor mistake for me to believe it without question. As it's easier to believe an appeal to authority, than to constantly be vigilant for mistakes presented in media.

[@jaybee4118]

@@lolly9804it didn’t happen to be James Somerton did it?

[@lolly9804]

@@jaybee4118 Lol yes, I guess the signs were definitely already there ...

[@verysmallcat]

it was so. so. so impossible to avoid hearing about that stupid trial. i went out of my way to avoid it, even when it was still a small thing. everything i know about it was against my will and i still know so much about it. also i am VERY pro small website local/small/niche social media

[@katies3733]

Thank you so much for making this. I've been so frustrated. I continue to be so frustrated. I keep telling people that they don't have to choose a side they can just not know! Similarly, you can know limited things, like that you're pretty sure one side is lying. But if your facts tell you that side a is lying it doesn't necessarily mean that the other side is telling you the truth. Especially in the us, where we have two main political parties. If party a is lying, that does not mean party b is defaulting to honesty. If they are both lying it does not mean their lies are equal. The world is mostly shades of gray and complicated.

[@sharma6186]

I wish I could impart this wisdom to every patient I see. Thank you for your research, energy, time, and crucial information. You are a gem.

[@justyouwait4027]

I love you so much Thank you. I’m used to unsubscribe from anyone grinding on that trial. And I’m so relieved I don’t have to do it with you ❤️ Wonderful analysis

[@BeckettBaladas]

I just got done with another reading of one of my favorite books, Qualityland, which is basically a Sci-Fi novel which, among other things, discusses how algorithms can change our views and percption of reality, but it's kinda frightening to see how close we seem to be to that future already, really appreciated this video for that!

[@DieVorleserin-ok8zr]

That’s why I never got through with it. Hits way too close to home.... Marc-Uwe Kling has a real talent of capturing the zeitgeist.

[@claracha9650]

This is a very important video. Thank you so much for taking the time to make all of this digestible and put it out there. All the love.

[@jeaugust]

This is such an excellent video. I really deeply appreciate how you cite all of your sources--it's a big part of why you're one of my favorite video essayists on this hellsite.

[@timbofication9788]

Ive been talking about this with my roommate who hntil recently was a real "i won an argument on Facebook today" type guy. Id gotten off facebook a year ago because i was noticing the way it was chsnging how i look at my neighbors and family and friends, as well as larger issues. It commodifies serious issues and topics into team sports that memes can be made about to keep you scrolling through ads.

[@M-WG]

The longer you’re off it the happier you’ll be.

[@lucyferos205]

It's the same or worse on this platform

[@CaptLoquaLacon]

My interest in the Depp Heard trial as far as it went was looking at the system -Many systems around the world don't use juries, relying upon on judges instead and while people instinctively claim that more people means it is less biased, there isn't any evidence on that one way or another, but what all the systems with judges do have is a detailed breakdown of HOW the verdict is reached. In a jury trial you just get the verdict, you don't even get to see if the jury understand the nuances of the law, let alone how they decide upon particular points in the evidence. As far as I can tell, some of the best systems like Germany or Denmark barely use a jury at all. The cultures descended from the Anglo-Saxons and Magna Carta have had jury trials, but it's not as revered as a system to those outside. I look at comments sections in articles and I rarely see 12 people in total I would trust in deciding a shopping list, let alone a person's fate. They say that the jury weren't influenced, but it was not hard to see during the trial a number of supposed 'body language experts' giving definitive examples of one party lying in line with what you say in the video about social media profitability. Could the non-sequestered jury really avoid everybody talking about those supposed proofs? At least a judge would know the value of a body language expert (i.e. somewhat less than sewage). There was also a week long break in the trial just after Heard started presenting evidence so the jurors had extra time to absorb Depp's side. -the US court system allows people to hire opposing experts. What this leads to is two people arguing with jargon over the head of the jury relying upon the lawyers to editorialise what is being said by each and somehow lay people have to try and tell which expert is getting what right and who is being deceptive. There were more psychologists who were supportive of Amber (some paid for, some had been engage for treatment so were referring to notes from that time frame), the one on Depp's side was paid for and made mistakes in describing tests etc, but guess which one social media overwhelmingly sided with? Other systems insist upon a neutral expert who isn't coached in what to say by either party. I know for example all the talk about EXIF data was misleading - as a photographer who has handled many thousands of files, I know that EXIF data is not that stable (nor is it terribly useful) such that it can change if you copy files from a memory card rather than move them. It doesn't show editing. Rebutting this runs up against confirmation bias and anchor bias, and the speed with which misinformation can spread with social media is terrifying. -There was a lot of character based evidence that was pretty irrelevant. The most ridiculous example was the Kate Moss testimony - it was supposedly a rebuttal of someone on Heard's side talking about being worried because of having heard about an incident. Moss saying it didn't happen has no bearing on if the person had heard the rumour, nor if they believed it! To lie, you have to knowingly state something that is false. Believing and passing on something false may be damaging, but it doesn't speak to someone's honesty. It was also structured in an inherently unfair way, the trial was front-loaded with things to cast doubt on Heard's integrity and honesty, before she could even try presenting evidence, but you can't prove someone is automatically lying. In criminal trials, they explicit avoid reference to previous convictions. The UK trial didn't look at character evidence for either party (the US one should have scrutinised Depp to the same degree as Heard or done the same), it just went through 14 incidents to see whose story was better supported by outside testimony and noted that both Depp and Heard were dishonest at times. -Televised trials are a really bad idea. It's not that they shouldn't be recorded and available for review by competent people, just that this specific way of doing it was done is hugely problematic. I actually want to to know if any country for example doesn't allow any coverage of the trial until it's complete to really minimise the chance of juries etc being exposed to biased content that sways them. In the UK trials, you'll usually get someone doing a bit of a breakdown of the days events on the news, and while that can run the risk of influence, it at least has some editorial checks and balances in 'legacy media'. I hate that Social Media has zero accountability from fact checking outside of a very few key issues. It was also bizarre seeing utter morons claiming that by simply watching the trial they could state things authoritatively about it compared to the opinions of legal professions. It's about as coherent a thought process as people thinking that watching a brain surgeon operate would make them qualified neuroscientists... -In the UK, the standard for defamation is if you are wrong in what you say. To defend a law suit, you have to produce enough evidence to justify it. In the US, the plaintiff has to establish that the person is wrong, that they were reckless is reaching the conclusion and it some situations, they even need to prove that they've deliberately lied with the intent of harming the other person. I've heard people argue that the UK standard is too big a restriction on press freedom, but my take is that while it may be strict, it at least seems to be a way to enforce good journalistic practice. Social media is too well protected by the anonymity of platforms like Twitter, and also by the Streisand Effect - by the very act of suing you're going to possibly bring much greater publicity to something false which just feels wrong There are two other issues that don't relate to Social media that also occurred to me -In the UK, and at least Denmark, the losing party in a law suit will often be asked to pay the costs for all parties. This is an interesting, simple mechanism that can be argued makes for an inbuilt penalty for frivolous or malicious law suits. I think there are questions if it may discourage some people from seeking redress, but I think it's better than the US system of asking all parties to pay for themselves. That way feels more like it will force poorer people to settle malicious law suits to minimise potential costs. -The US elects judges that have ties to political parties. This creates obvious conflicts of interest when there is a political element to a trial, and even without that, asking the public to elect judges may lead to judges leaning towards certain public attitudes like harsh sentences being more popular generally than sentences intended to reform a criminal. Not sure how other territories handle it, it's just a question that has bothered me since watching the Wire, and seeing documentaries etc. Even if a judge was unaffiliated though, would how you handle a trial like this with prurient public curiosity? If you knew rulings against one side or the other could affect your chances of being re-elected, would you still stick with your principles? Overall, it was a farce of a trial, being fed to a mob. It's worrying now that you have a juror saying that they felt Heard was abused, but still found against her because they didn't think the physical abuse was proven. It really feels like the way Depp's team framed everything carried weight that the evidence itself didn't...

[@Naveen-tx8be]

Not to mention in the UK trial, Heard was a witness, so her credibility wasn’t scrutinized as heavily as in the US trial. The Judge’s son worked with the writer of the article Depp was suing, which is a huge conflict of interest, considering that there was no jury- the sole person responsible for deciding which witnesses were credible was the Judge himself. I’m not saying that Johnny is a saint, and I know that especially on tiktok there were some pretty disgusting memes, but I’ve found that anybody being critical of Amber gets lumped in with the misogynistic right wingers trying to trivialize DV and the metoo movement, when that’s not at all the case. There ARE inconsistencies, and having a public record of that was definitely a strategic move on Depps part. I hate how this has spiraled into entertainment for the masses, and I can only hope that public conversations from youtubers and other content creators stop covering this trial in such a sensationalizing way and instead take it seriously if they decide to cover it at all.

[@CaptLoquaLacon]

@@Naveen-tx8be Why is it that no matter how many times it is explained, people keep trotting out the lies about the judge's son. He was occasionally a guest on the radio station that the journalist was employed by. There are no substantial commercial links! The claims of a conflict of interest are either outright lies, or incompetence. No competent legal authority has ever claimed there was, you'd think that would be a hint... I think the funny part is no-one ever cites a proper source when they make the claims, the closest I've seen is someone pointing at The News or Newsweek where the article was very careful to correctly describe the relationships because of how libel law works Depp and Heard were treated with equal credibility by the UK trial which was to assume that they were both likely to be dishonest, or evasive. It was decided on supporting evidence with the judge deciding which person the other accounts were more in line with over specific incidents. That's why the US strategy was to lead in with a lot of character drivel, to undermine one person's account, but in a way that was not applied to both parties, and it's inherently a nonsense standard. You can not prove that someone lies all the time, and it says EVERYTHING that none of the media organisations that reported events were sued, but somehow an article that made the most oblique references to previous events was somehow defamatory? She only needed to be telling the truth once (like her therapists making contemporary clinical notes about the impact that Depp's abuse had) to justify the article. Fun detail, a body established by the American Bar Association, the World Justice Project produces annual rankings of legal systems and in civil law the us rank 41 of the 139 territories, but specifically it was either 122 or 126 in freedom from discrimination in civil cases in 2021. That certainly seems consistent with the resulting farce

[@NoNameHereOrThere]

@@Naveen-tx8be The son's actual job is advocacy on tax abuse by rich people, so his work is actually anti-Murdoch.

[@clarence5211]

many great points!

[@digdigdigo]

it was really fucking weird. no matter how much i blocked videos related to the trial, i kept getting those reccomendations

[@spuriusbrocoli4701]

This is a great analysis. I'm a linguist w/ training in computational linguistics, a lot of which powers these sort of social media algorithms. If you were to build on this idea, I would also consider looking into the work of Professor Zeynep Tufekchi. I also fully agree w/ the statement that we need to be more informed abt what & how we consume on social media, which is why I do genuinely recommend ppl learn a little bit of programming & how social media algorithms work beyond the black box that is most ppl's engagement. Most ppl just treat "the algorithm" as some inscrutable force w/o really knowing how they're built or why. So a little bit of knowledge into the specifics really goes a long way. -- Michael-Giuliana (they/them)

[@SummersFrost]

these videos are sooooo important thank you

[@BeeTeaBoi]

I think this trial and the constant misinformation being spread about it was likely my first step into getting offline more. I took a step back, assessed the situation, and thought to myself "does this really effect me? Do I need to spend my time and energy on this?" And the answer was no. I think at some point we really do need to stop and think to ourselves "is this situation that clearly doesn't involve me that important to my life?" Saved me a lot of time and energy just realizing that a defamation trial between two people I know literally nothing about was not worth getting worked up over.

[@sss40719]

in my opinion, the case should not have been publicized

[@freezacold187]

Correct

[@stoppit9]

I posted one comment asking people to consider that the narrative has been affected by misogyny and had to block like 20 people after

[@ellie8784]

I was sent death threats because I said I was sick of people acting like every woman that comes out against abuse is just "another Amber heard" (not saying Amber heard was a bad person, but people will say "not all men!" But the second they think a woman does something bad their like "just another Amber heard 😔")

[@notme1336]

Just discovered your channel. You have such a lovable personality! And you make me audibly chuckle sometimes. Thank you. Also my deppressed anxious ass appriciates the comforting ending with possible solutions of apocalyptic societal problems you highlight. And I think it can be a clever way to keep people returning for your content when they walk away with a little bit of hope.

[@jordancameron2606]

Thank you so much for making this.

[@ginny7000]

whenever i'm reminded of the sheer lack of accountability social media companies have i get so tired. great video, though.

[@bubblymochi7170]

This is is one of the best and most well researched videos I've seen in a while.

[@AlwaysKDawg]

So, I had a connection to the case as my significant other worked for the law office that was representing Heard. There were Depp fans showing up at the office building, harassing the receptionist, leaving false google reviews. It was scary. The whole trial had me in a constant state of anxiety, because we didn't know how far these fans would go and if they would hurt anyone.. thankfully that didn't happen, but it was INSANE.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

Liar never happened. Amber isn't a victim. she is the abuser she admitted to physically abusing Johnny which is on audio.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

That is a lie you're telling.

[@mirandamanga9083]

@@LaraCroftEyes1 this is about his defenders though??

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

No, it's about AlawysDawg lying, none of Johnny's fans show up anyone business office

[@phantasmagorics]

One of the worst things about the trial was watching how so many content creators took advantage of the situation for their own gain. I'm not talking randos on tiktok or twitter, I'm talking big streamers from all over the world. Ludwig, Rubius, they all watched it live on twitch with an audience of thousands every day. Some of these audiences are mostly composed of impressionable minors, and they watched this trial through the lens of a very biased creator that likes to spew borderline neonazi ideology every chance they get. It's all very scary and it does feel hopeless. I'm glad to see you envision a brighter future, and I wanna believe that there's still a chance for it. But right now, how things are going, I'm not sure I'm capable of that anymore. I just wanna crawl under a rock and die there.

[@AnneB2]

Why is it wrong to make money off of discussing the trial? The media get to make money off of discussing news as well as gossip. The fact that these intriguing celebrities are in a legal dispute that has parallels to many every day people's experiences of abusive relationships ignoring the absurd amounts of money involved is something that is worthy of discussion. How can we treat allegations seriously regardless of gender? How do we determine who is the abusive one of the relationship? How should the legal system treat a relationship where both parties are toxic to each other? I think it's worth talking about, and I've enjoyed learning a lot from youtubers who are lawyers who have dedicated a lot of time and effort to explaining the trial. I think they deserve the monetary gain, even just for providing entertainment. It's not for everyone, and it's frustrating that those who are not interested still get it thrown in their face because it's trending. But the problem is in the social media algorithm that is purely centered around earning the platform as much money as possible, which means suggesting the popular content to every possible eye, and catering the videos that likely align with the viewer's ideology instead of providing a balanced view from multiple sources.

[@kashiichan]

Personally, I continue to exist out of spite. I'll be damned if I let these arseholes chase me out of my internet.

[@yikes2540]

Wait, Ludwig promotes neo-Nazi propaganda?

[@MySingerlover]

I can agree that they made a negative spectacle in a trial and added it to be part of pop culture/engagement, and that's wrong. Sadly, this is something that is seen in pop culture even outside of these particular celebs. They aren't unique. So many people made money out of a DV case when they had no connection/info about the trial except being spectators with only an emotional response to such a case. However, I am rather perplexed by you insinuating that any of them are neonazis, that is a heavy term that should not be used lightly. It's gross behaviour that was displayed during the trial, but to say such a term of bigotry is strange. Is there evidence of that displayed by these people?

[@thesevenkingswelove9554]

@@AnneB2 the problem imo would be that it's setting a narrative that might not necessarily even be true simply for entertainment but I agree with rest of the points, it was displayed for public in the first place so it makes sense people would talk about it ( even if it's in the negative sense)

[@deb0815]

When I first heard about this situation, probably last year or 2020 not sure, my first instinct was to believe Depp. The reasons being: 1. Well he is the only one I know of and his image is good on tv so he must be telling the truth. 2. I felt like I had to say I support him otherwise people (men) will think all women (including myself) don't believe male dv victims. 3. I watched some videos of Amber where she had a resting bitch face and read articles about how she did evil things towards Depp. 4. Everyone on twitter was supporting him so I thought it must mean that he is on the right side. So yeah, social media and mob mentality does influence your views. At a certain point during the trial I had realised that thankfully.

[@MackenziiRivers]

i mean you were on the right side in the end

[@ellie8784]

@@MackenziiRivers what was the right side to you?

[@MackenziiRivers]

@@ellie8784 Depp's.

[@hi6575]

Watched the trial, saw the evidence, still leaning towards Depp

[@oa8463]

Abusive men made it into a sport. Its not. They also saw siding with depp as a social stamp of approval for dv.

[@Vennele]

"am I convincing? ✨", Yeah, you're one of my favorite YT creators. 🔥 I wish I had this researching skills, with all the information and misinformation spread in the internet, I just... Feel that I can't. That it's overwhelming, I tried to avoid all of it, and ended up shutting my phone for days, as long as needed. People like you are a spark of hope for me in this neo world that I'm willing to understand.

[@Vennele]

Yet here we are, most popular comments talking about the trial and not about the problem, social media is a "beast that they can't tame".

[@CrazyMama75]

The trial made it so much harder to get DV support to DV victims because people dont care about justice or truth but about a engaging narrative. I remember being horrified at how passionate the women in my DV support group were and how much they started arguing about who they believed, dividing the froup almost in half, until the staff running the group (at a local DV support charity) asking us to put our stories in Depp or Heards shoes, suddenly everyone was aboiding picking a side and saying the only ones who know the truth are depp and Heard, which while true, just proves how impossible justice is cos abusers are normally so great at victimising victims and the systems meant to help us, like courts, dont actually care about people or justice but about their careers or public images. So getting justice is next to impossible for most of us DV survivors and puts victims, and especially their children, at increased risk. The Heard-Depp trials made the performance of justice all the more performative and demonstrated that people dont care about truth but about the most entertaining narrative.

[@emilijadaugaviete3669]

getting an ad promoting reddit, where they say how its not like other apps, that collect your data and personal info right after 9:56 was comedy gold

[@mrflibble5203]

I'm so happy people are talking about this case as if its an actuall case filled with awful events, not just a one sided meme about how stupid Amber's dog stepping on a bee was. This should be interesting. (love your videos btw)

[@Gjigfvniyf]

THANK YOU I watch trials for fun and this entire thing was a train wreck, both sides were a mess but the treatment of Amber was heinous, no matter what you believe. The way grown ass adults were pulled into calling Amber names like children while citing things that were not legally viable drove me up a wall. People have forgotten how to see a situation without completely dehumanizing the person they see as in the wrong.

[@Xylkamela4ter]

amber was not in the right

[@hueyfreeman8865]

@@Xylkamela4terYou didn’t read a single word of their comment did you?

[@alisaurus4224]

Just got back from the doctor and the tech in the blood lab had “Justice for Johnny” on the wall in bright green. Kinda inappropriate, no?

[@montselech]

Why? Genuine asking what's inappropriate about a human making known their beliefs and stands?

[@juliahcornell]

@@montselech ehh in my experience, it's a social norm that you shouldn't project your political views while working, especially at customer-facing jobs. Often, it's also explicitly disallowed. When I was a lifeguard, a fellow guard got reprimanded for wearing a MAGA hat. I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but in the society we currently live in, it's seen by most people as bad form.

[@montselech]

@@juliahcornell I think there is a point to clarify... There is a HUGE difference between wearing something like a cross or a t-shirt of a band you like and which are statements of your likes/beliefs and using something like a terrorist group difference number one but even with the MAGA if that person is not pushing their beliefs to others and being inappropriate about it then there is nothing wrong with that.

[@juliahcornell]

@@montselech you may think there's nothing wrong with it, and I'd actually tend to agree. I think it's part of the dehumanization of workers, basically denying them their humanity and their freedom of expression to turn them into labor drones. I'm not saying that it's wrong, I'm just saying it's inappropriate because it goes against societal norms. I do think there's room to argue that in this specific case, it could be harmful to have a pro-Depp poster in a medical setting. You could come up with a plausible argument that the poster sends a message to women that discourages them from being honest about medically-relevant DV-related information. But that's case-specific and maybe a bit of a stretch

[@montselech]

@@juliahcornell I think is a cultural/country difference bc as I have always seen it in my work, past works, and other friends and family workplaces unless you place something inherently inappropriate like naked ppl or hate speech/rude words... Etc we are allowed to personalize our area bc in the end we are humans with personalities.

[@strzygon.]

Right now you have put a small misinformation in your video yourself. This trial wasn't about who is innocent, it was a defamation case. Something totally different but all your points stand still. The social media made it all about "WHO IS INNOCENT" because we, humans, lack comprehension skills sometimes or even often xD We all came with the wrong conclusions after this trial. It was definitely planned by some extent. This scares me how little we listen with understanding what is happening around us + adding what you said about social media. (sorry for my eng i'm not a native speaker)

[@immkk1125]

true, it wasn’t a trial to prove that anyone was innocent BUT it was done because of the DV claims and depp’s consequent loss of job, tarnished image and reputation etc. so technically, if by the end of the trial, the DV allegations could be made into something more like « oh he was just an angry bean 🥺 » and people accepted that explanation then yeah…i can see where the confusion came from. it’s crazy how the whole world acquitted him of his own crime just because he managed to make Heard out to be the one in the wrong, and who in this misogynistic world wouldn’t believe a charismatic, well groomed man who can make jokes over the clearly devastated, tired and hysterical woman who can’t cry to prove a point? she was made into the witch, and eventually the abuser…when most of the evidence pointed towards her being mentally unwell, manipulated and abused

[@immkk1125]

@@randomusername3873 am i now? how about all of the evidence that he was just as if not more violent? i’m not going to argue over this. Depp is an abuser, she is an abuser too, but the way the world magically ignored everything that incriminated HIM (like the « rape her dead body » messages) and just focused on the poop shit and whatever, making fun of her SA story etc…it’s not right. you can’t say he is innocent because he is not. i’m defending someone who was made out to be the only villain in a toxic relationship with a 20 years+ age gap. Depp is a pig idgaf, and i wouldn’t give a fuck about Heard either, but the way the world just magically forgot everything he’s done to her is outrageous. her team was dumb asf and she did a lot of fucked up shit, that’s for sure. but was she the only abuser? no i don’t think so. and i’m more disgusted that some of you insist on acting like Depp is an innocent baby, he’s not. believe what you want. the trial was done to restore his reputation and that’s it, because his life suffered bc of the previous allegations, it was not to prove his innocence. i will still believe that the literal witch hunt that Heard went through online, was absolutely not justified. is she innocent? idc

[@immkk1125]

@@randomusername3873 and yes i am ashamed of myself for believing that manipulating pos called Depp. i wasn’t even a fan of his. he should not be the face of male DV victims because he himself was an abuser

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I've consciously started to avoid it because it turned into a sort of culture war. Instead of maybe trying to find the Truth (as much as it was possible) people joined one team and started to cheer their fav person Memes are fun but it's a serious shit. No matter who was the victim

[@violet4232]

incredible video, thank you for providing this information in an accessible and digestible way

[@sabresister]

Tbh this video is further cementing my decision to step back from most social media platforms. There is some good there, but honestly for me I don’t think it’s worth all the pain and emotional whiplash. I’m tired of feeling angry all the time.