How Spider-Verse Uses ACTION To Tell A Story

[@Saya_562]

Me: “wow, this video is almost 40 mins long…I’ll just watch a little now and the rest later” Also me: *watches the whole thing in one sitting* The amount of respect and praise I have for the animators, directors, and after affects artists doubled after watching this. I can’t wait until the 3rd movie ❤

[@breeze5440]

NO LITERALLY ME RN. I had to do some work but I just wanted to watch a little bit. I should have known I was gonna get sucked in.

[@MVSchrayder]

3:04 hey there! I’m “the After Effects guy” who helped work on Gwen’s drum montage. Mike was a great guy to work with and I’m glad he’s getting highlighted with your podcast! Thanks for the shoutout and keep up the good work!

[@VuyoOnalennaNkhumane]

I was about to comment something when he just said "After Effects Guy". I was kinda insulted at the lack of a name drop. You did an awesome job on the scene though, but you probably already knew that. lol

[@expertbean101]

Crazy work I'm checking your channel out now

[@rav8882]

U such a genius man

[@xam858]

thankyou formyour service

[@heybigchris]

Editing is HIGHLY underrated. The amount of recaps, ideas, perspectives, and even foreshadowing is all accounted for, to have just as much emotional impact on the final product. That's why y'alls content is highly viewed. We're in a generation where we're being spoon-fed information in shotty writing. Understanding how to visually TELL A STORY in most content or anything, is what makes or breaks EVERYTHING.

[@Vazar]

Not just editing, other aspects of making a movie. For visual storytelling, we should not forget about DPs, they also play a big role. We also have acknowledge sound designers' and light technicians' work. Then there are the "minor" jobs that an avarage person doesn't know about (focus puller, scripter, concept artist, stand photographer and many more I can't even name.) Every job is as important as the other (famous) ones to make films. :)

[@heybigchris]

@@Vazar I agree. A whole team working together to deliver this masterpiece. I can see why they delayed Beyond the Spider-Verse since their 2024 projections were cool to know, but promising quality would be something I hope the world can wait for. Especially since this comment might age well if they don't deliver.

[@Jiyoon02]

To laymen, like me, editing is kinda like air. It's what holds a film together and makes individual shots a cohesive two-hour experience. And also, it's only noticed when it's bad because when the editing's great we don't even realize it's there.

[@jjstarrprod]

It's not a secret why most people working in animation consider a movie/show has always 3 directors : the storyboarder, the director, and the editor.

[@EDJK_]

@@Vazarhis comment went over ya head big time I see and clearly you don’t work in film nobody said what you wasn’t important but why it went over ya head is because editing is THE LAST PROCESS of filmmaking so what you explain obviously that’s all important but why you think it’s important? SO THE EDITOR CAN BRING IT TO LIFE while everyone else is at home having a regular day the editor is still at WORK which is why he said editing is HIGHLY UNDERRATED and I work in film yes I’m a editor so I agree w his comment not that I’m disagreeing with yours but you sounded like that typical person who watches movies but ain’t part of the process so y’all look at the obvious

[@dabi_]

This Spiderverse was one of the only times I’ve ever gone to see a movie in cinemas twice. Once, to enjoy it. And another time, to study the craftsmanship of it.

[@mook_10]

i saw it twice with the same objective but by maybe the 30 minute mark i'd completely forgotten about that and i was just fully immersed in the movie again

[@Solooshin]

@@mook_10i saw it 3 times. 1st on opening night and was blown away. The next night with my dad which was almost better because I got to watch it thru his eyes for the first time and he was blown away. He then wanted to watch it again so we went again the next night after a few drinks. You’ll never see me doing that for a regular movie I didn’t even see infinity war twice and that’s my favorite avengers movie so this was definitely a moment.

[@katrine8695]

I heard so many people say this, that ATSV was the first time they went to the theater to watch the same movie more than once, which really tells you something about this movie (I went *three* times myself). Let's hope they stick the landing with Beyond and this will truly be one of the greatest trilogies (not just superhero trilogy, but triloges *period*), of all time.

[@boblit]

haha i do this with like every film I see. Its important.

[@callummcneill6266]

i went there 3-4 times

[@shadowmahesh9876]

The foreshadowing with Aaron was honestly perfect and the final scene towards the cliffhanger just sent massive chills everytime

[@dapex_]

I love the transparency from Michael with all of the issues they ran into trying to fit so much content into one movie. I definitely resonated with how Jordan felt when the movie ended. Feeling like we didn't receive the full payoff but that overall , the movie was still great.

[@daniel.santos]

In the age of streaming, we're not used to cliffhangers like this. I was shocked, but loved it. I'm now more excited for the next one than I think I would be.

[@sandal_thong8631]

In a few years people will be able to see all three movies back-to-back. That will take away a little something, like thinking about what you just saw and imagining what might come later, so if someone hasn't seen them before, then maybe wait at least a day between episodes. Right now, I imagine what might happen on Earth-42, and even if the movie's the same way, the anticipation will then be gone. Maybe I'll hold on to alternatives ideas, like what might have happened?

[@mrdarryljones1]

As an aspiring filmmaker; at age 59, I remember the days when animation was linear. Thanks for making this video, it helps me to see that process really does bring the best product.

[@D_Andrew_G]

Appreciate y’all using your platform to get huge talent and all new perspectives on something we love

[@pinkerhero]

I wanted an editing breakdown of the first movie or anything but I couldn't find anyone covering it, thank you SO MUCH FOR THIS!!

[@CalebWillden]

Amazing interview! I, personally, loved the cliffhanger ending. I can definitely understand why others didn't, but it gave me a ton to think about and left me walking out of the theater in a daze, wanting to watch it all over again.

[@LobsterKaboom]

I love how they do scenes like those. How fast AND creative the editing and animation. I actually did not know that it was animated in blender untill now 😭 (i thought it was all 2d)

[@daveSoupy]

This movie highlights that your main protagonist can progress the story but doesn’t have to be changed by the story.

[@heyBrandonB]

Best episode so far 🔥🔥

[@PryorGaming]

We need a breakdown of the entire film like this. Also I’m learning great editing by paying attention to the editing of this podcast

[@Oddernod]

Next-level guest this time. Feels like you could go another hour and still find non-stop gold in this conversation.

[@EditingPodcast]

Subscribe for more next level content 👌

[@zackbender7299]

This is fantastic. Thanks for doing such a detailed chat! Animation editing is criminally under-appreciated.

[@AtomicF0x]

This level of editing is absolutely masterful. They're doing the impossible by making me love these movies _even_ more.

[@daviakira2526]

Thank you for this video! Loved specially the shout out to the animators and their planning. Helps audiences understand how much they’re in control of every single beat in movement and performance.

[@YouTubeProTips]

You never really know how much thought is put into every detail of the movie until you hear it from the man himself. This movie may be HUGE in scale compared to KZbin videos but we could still get so much value from it to apply to our own content. Thank you for this!

[@leandroagonzalez3]

Bro! They gave us a straight up ANIME OPENING!! YESSS!!!

[@Hikaru-Makimura]

I don't think I will ever understand how complicated the creative minds behind this movie. Like how you decided every frame drawing and the reason behind it.

[@beepbow8444]

Man I LOVED the cliffhanger. The frustration feels good. Even if the third movie never comes out I am extremely satisfied with what the first two are. I'd definitely say that the cliffhanger is earned, not that I have the technical vocabulary to explain why.

[@sandal_thong8631]

It's not whether the cliffhanger was earned or not, it's whether the twist was earned. Someone did a video discussing good and bad twists. Some bad twists are so far out in left field that no one could imagine it and there's no reason for it other than to trick an audience (and perhaps the ending was released online so it's their revenge). A good twist has hints that some in the audience could get, but others might not and will have to watch it again to see the hints and foreshadowing. I think the masterpiece was _The Sixth Sense._

[@beepbow8444]

@sandal_thong8631 idk I think miles being the prowler in a universe without spiderman is a pretty great 'twist' anyway. I had a great time watching the movie and I'm really interested in seeing how the two of them interact and how he changes the story. It's not just a twist though, and the part of the conversation that I was originally talking about very much *was* focused on the cliffhanger, not the twist. The twist is fine, but it's made better by setting up a great cliffhanger and some very fun speculation for the next movie imo.

[@dapex_]

LMAO the awkward high five killed me 4:35

[@shaunstark1365]

Time stamp?

[@dapex_]

@@shaunstark1365 4:35

[@ProducedbyRIFAT]

absolutely a GOLDENNNN episode!!! the fact we get to see this for free. Thank you guys!

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Rewatched with headphones on the other day. Woow! So many subtle things you can pick up.

[@ThatTravGuy]

Great interview! I'm glad this appeared on my feed. Subbed and excited to binge these while I work!

[@treyslider6954]

On the cliffhanger ending: Sure, it's frustrating to tease us with "your resolution is in another movie", but honestly between Miles beating the Spider Society/Miguel and escaping, and then him finally telling his mom (even if it is revealed to be the wrong one), really landed with me as a satsifying *emotional* conclusion. Basically, the movie hit the "character returns home, now changed from his trials" beat...the sweeping things out from under you with the Prowler doesn't feel so much a cliffhanger as a *teaser*. Less "we're holding back the resolution" and more "Don't worry, there's a whole other story after this one"

[@MinuteMon]

I barely watched 2 mins and already know this is my favorite episode you guys did. This needs more views!! Loved the movie and the editing breakdown

[@TinyVA]

As an editor myself: seeing that layout for just one sequence?… holy shit! Thank you for highlighting editors!

[@thebigtipowski]

One minute into watching this video, and I would like to say, yes, the cliffhanger works. The entire movie works in the cliffhanger is the chefs kiss. Let me explain. The fact that this movie goes on for 2 1/2 hours, when the cliffhanger comes, people are crying and begging for more. Nuff said. Now you get another 2 hours to finish this amazing trilogy instead of a quick 20 minute clean up job, which is what we would have gotten had they not broken it into 2 halfs

[@Birthnote]

I didn't want this video to end. Felt invigorated watching this

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

This is so amazing, I love the moment when poeple can focus on their talent, and then spend a entire year of life focus on making a amazing work

[@BenGoshawk]

This is a very special interview

[@artistnameseven]

Wow, this was amazing! This is my fav scene of all time and I'm so glad it was broken down like this. Every little detail is just perfection

[@pattykrabbies]

The empire strikes back was literally the first thing that came to mind after that cliff hanger

[@darrenrussell6253]

These videos are the behind the scenes dvd extras that I miss! Had to wait until I saw the movie before watching, thanks for these, I absolutely love understanding how these artworks come together 🎉

[@robonut0357]

That was crazy. So interesting to hear how this film came together and the role editing played. I can’t thank y’all enough for making this conversation happen

[@jennahubin]

Yes yes yes. I've been waiting for this one 🙌Thanks for exploring the post-production pipeline in animation, especially THIS film, with all the moving pieces and rearranging story beats to best tell the narrative. I don't envy the process it took to make ATSV (still building new scenes while the movie is being shipped??) but the result is phenomenal. To live-action editors and filmmakers: there's so much craft you can learn from animated films. Also great job on putting this interview together Hayden! Ton of work to integrate all these visuals but it all came together so well; I'll be rewatching just to study the storyboards/animatics. How often does a PR rep sit in on a podcast?

[@brandonwei2430]

Seeing it now at 35:15, when thr bombshell lands that Gwen and Peter had known, it visually stages the impact perfectly as well. Miguel's entire body covers the screen, save for that one little area where we barely see Miles by himself as he struggles to break free of his grasp. The news is literally crushing Miles .

[@thebratqueen]

I didn't think anything could excite me as much as your interview with the editors on The Last of Us but Lord did I click play on this video so fast. You are doing amazing work getting the word out there about what good editing is all about.

[@foodstrongfamily]

Because of you guys now I absolutely LOVE the editing process. Thank uuu! Also, this is one of my favorite movies of all time! A freaking masterpiece! 🙌🎥

[@EditingPodcast]

That’s awesome to hear! Subscribe for more!

[@jjstarrprod]

That's such an incredible podcast (and the editing of it was top notch as well). I work as a director of animated shorts, and a bit of a Jack of all trades in animation, so I also delve a bit in editing. That timeline of the movie you showed at the beginning nearly gave me a panic attack. I am also concerned by the extreme amount of stress and overwork the animators had to go through to keep reworking (and sometimes throwing out) entire shots that were previously greenlit, due to the constant changing of minds of Phil Lord. Michael did mention a few shots that came in extremely late in the process (the epilogue with Gwen assembling her band), and it now makes sense to me why there is virtually no animation at all in these shots (they're all just standing there for a while, when the camera dollies out). It's because the animators only had a few days to pull that whole scene off before the movie was being sent to the theaters, so they couldn't afford to do anything crazy. That being said, ATSV is easily my movie of the year. I went to watch it 4 times in theaters (the first and the last in IMAX, to fully enjoy it as it should have been). As an animator, I'm forever grateful to all the crazy minds behind the Spiderverse saga to have completely rocked the world of animation, and kicked the Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks supremacy off the throne. Thanks to them, we're in a world where some crazy gems like Arcane, Puss in Boots 2 The Last Wish and TMNT Mutant Mayhem can exist and be praised. And I'm very much looking forward to see the future of CG animation moving forward.

[@romanmccallister5759]

The last topic really did hit different 💯

[@garrywilliams1701]

Great video i wish there was a breakdown of the whole movie similar to how he broke down the editing and storyboarding of the train scene climax. It was really interesting to see the progression and all the alternate ideas!

[@TohirT]

Probably my favorite episode oft he show. Yes I loved the movie, but man it’s nice to see the insight into the creative chao….i mean, process!

[@Infinite_Mortis]

Just finally watched the sequel yesterday. I’m glad I waited. Thanks for the editing podcast this was my first episode. Subscribing for life now

[@sumincreates]

Got to learn many things from this masterpiece podcast, Thanks for this one

[@Geeksmithing]

I wish there was some mention of the drama & situation regarding the editing of the dialog audio mix.

[@xmqcut]

waiting for this.. this is gold for creative editing appreciate the effort.

[@design.mahbub]

Amazing work. The way things were handled was very rewarding to watch. Peak of the animated cinema as we speak. 👏

[@jamescandyland]

This is so epic and beautiful! Thank you for this!

[@alexthegrape]

BROOO this video is soooo well edited! 👏 🍇

[@SlyCOOPER69]

what an amazing perspective from an editor. loved Mike's shoes btw.

[@julianfountain]

I’ve been waiting for this since yall first teased it! This was my movie of the year! Super excited to see how it was edited

[@LuisFernando-ux1ys]

I love this pod, hopefully there will be more of these movies

[@Randovide]

This channel is def underrated

[@reaganmonkey8]

One thing I’ve heard online about satisfying cliff hangers is that they conclude the story. The example they used was Infinity War, where the story felt concluded instead of jumbled and left us wondering what next. I think the same with the Force Awakens, where the whole plot was to find Luke. We saw Luke, then had to wait to see what happened next.

[@harambe3363]

everyone working on this film is str8 up so creative hope i can work in a setting like this for a project.

[@Junkyardproduxtions]

His ass was seriously like "people forgot who Arin was, so we had to put him in twice at the start and a big fucking mural."

[@mr.ifisheyfish5057]

This was so entertaining and educational lol, props to u guys for this insane video

[@indiesunflowers]

the amount of fanart that spawned from the Miguel train scene storyboards is insane (specifically the part where his suit is showing his eye) I really wish they kept it in the movie

[@sebabtianator]

THIS VIDEO IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE WANTED!! Really well edited too! .....But I guess that's to be expected. I was hooked from beginning to end. :)))

[@DavidLeeYT]

I'd watch 5 hours of this

[@JakeMogstad]

This is really interesting to listen to, one of my favorite movies.

[@freef1xw]

i was annoyed when this video ended i wanted more! so interesting to see the storyboards and some of the things that were changed to either make the movie work better or just to make it less complicated, amazing video lads.

[@sandal_thong8631]

So many movies let audiences down in the third act. Wanting more is better than "it's finally over" which is what the guy in front of me said at an opening weekend show of _Fellowship of the Ring._

[@NajSinghs]

❤🔥 Thank you

[@AslanAlmukhambetov]

Incredible podcast! Thank you

[@NotGarrettG]

@33:01 I LITERALLY COUNTED 4 elbows…

[@A_Dam_Fangirl]

Same. I was so confused thinking that I counted it wrong.

[@scottleist]

Absolute monster of a W

[@rajanshandil]

An epic breakdown for an epic film

[@Sisanf]

You killed this interview including the incredible editing! Fantastic job!

[@candiclip]

What a treat!!! I remember turning to my friend during the premiere for this movie 20 minutes in saying, this must have been a nightmare to edit. So so cool to see these breakdowns, thank you!!

[@munkmade]

super awesome to listen to this, the movie is an all time classic instant. so good

[@VitalisProd]

how you get a chance to bring experts of such caliber to the show? wow

[@LaitoChen]

The difference in attention, skill, detail, and pure love for the craft between this movie and "The Marvels" is insane. These are the types of people you want spear heading your movie

[@OneTyphun]

i really love how they tore the labels off the water bottles, but if I'm not mistaken those are arrowhead shaped bottles...

[@ameershazubair9803]

I have never seen such a brilliant video that explains so much... Your work is awesome, keep it up, thank you so much for this video ❤

[@snip3r416]

Man this is like the colin and samir and corridor crew VFX break down but in different ways 😊😊

[@AnimatewithArran]

The shot at 34:50 was animated by David Han as a test development shot. I believe there were any boards for it initally. Several of the shots in the trailers were animated only for the trailer. Including miles swinging through mumbatan animated by phil rudolph, siggi Orri Thorhannesson and nick kondo.

[@EditingPodcast]

Cool insight 👌

[@MichaelOdendaal]

Amazing episode! Loved it.

[@paulkyle]

Great episode. Thank you for this awesome discussion🔥

[@teejaykaye]

This movie was so mindblowing I went to see it two days in a row alone at the theater and then dragged my mom with me a third time xD absolutely spectacular

[@alextronfilm]

I absolutely love your channel. It’s so insightful and it feels special to be seeing all these bts stories on movies I love ❤❤❤

[@reagan.wallis]

you guys are amazing for these ❤

[@househikephotography]

This was amazing. You guys did a great job!

[@falidasign]

Loving this podcast and already subscribed, keep it up guys🙌🏾

[@GPlaysCustodio]

I personally loved the cliffhanger

[@NicholasMocha]

What a great breakdown

[@zachario223]

I LOVED this movie, and the editing work (as well as everything else) put into it is incredible. It's my dream to work on something of this scale, just to bring something bigger than me to life.

[@TonyStoodios]

Here we goooooooo!!!!!

[@KidAstronaut]

I loved the ending. Hopefully they nail part 3 and this will be a fantastic series. Part 2 was one of my favorite films ever.

[@_sk_]

thanks for doing this!

[@jonathanwahome]

This is what I’ve been waiting for!!

[@azeezbek]

Absolute Fire🔥. I cannot say anything else

[@isaacj8175]

Shoutout to Michael what a great pod

[@senh4944]

really loved your conversation, so cool to hear (and see) the editing process in depths, thank youuu ps: pls fix your wall, that one missing square..

[@joaquintamayo3126]

This was an amazing interview!

[@edisongarcia94]

That alternative opening does seem interesting. But yeah I think they made the right call going in the direction they did.

[@gottafindacoolname]

35:02 notice how miguel kinda handles miles like a spider with a fly. Like he has more arms, grabbing him as he tries to escape