How Spoctor Destroyed His Career

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

Once again big shout out to Lin for this video, she did really well! www.youtube.com/@Lin_Linz_ twitter: twitter.com/BoredOranges Discord: discord.gg/zYCKUcBtbD Kofi: ko-fi.com/definitelyboredoranges

[@eskimopython2807]

I’d bet my emulated copy of F-Zero on it

[@Johan_the_Marshal]

Okay I’ll admit it… Spoctor and Luke are a horrible representative of Americans and Canadians… These guys gave the britbongs 5 Ws…

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

I gotta be honest... with my big mouth, I need beef like this with a commentary KZbinr. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of the insults I write. I say things Dave Chappelle would be beaten by his wife for (jokes) and tho I can get a bit unhinged, I'm still more mentally there than twomad. Speaking of twomad, I'm supposed to get mans back in his pod before his serotonin runs out. See clones need to have their brain chemicals replenished by taking a two week bath. Considering he doesn't bathe at all, it's clearly time to get man in a tank so he can regain awareness of consensus reality. Man's about to break rule one of the SCP verse he's straight seeing other realms

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

Low key I remember a time where I thought others were a way they weren't, and judged them. But I learned I was wrong, changed. Do you notice we despite changing come back on the same issues... they don't stop. Is there a different approach? Perhaps we should just be happy to be alive, take the small things and make them seem more enjoyable. Ignore the darkness. Find it inside and destroy it. Be bigger than it. It is possible for these people to realize they were wrong... we need to tell people that just because they were wrong to say things a certain way, doesn't mean their bad. It seems that I sense someone who was trying to protect their brand when it wasn't nessisaey. We need them to not feel as if they can't wake up. We have to accept when they admit they are wrong... there's just a problem, spoctor seems from what I've seen as desperate to dodge controversy... same feeling when an opponent is thinking about being evasive, it's clear from their movements and actions. He tried to play the field his way knowing it was wrong... we can't then trust him to be intelligent and honest now can we? Thoughts?

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

Please god... SEROTONIN... NOWWWWWWWWW!!!

[@devilheartcandy]

Man the hopeless peaches drama has resulted in a weird butterfly effect on those who got involved huh

[@Ballslover18]

I know right? Almost everyone that was against Peaches ended up getting exposed as terrible people. Except for Thumin

[@LakeofCrystalclan]

Yeah! I guess karma hit hard for them! The only one who didn’t get exposed and survived the fire was Thumin! Still waiting for LioConvoy’s peaches video to see the true extent of the shitshow

[@kaylieesquivel4574]

​@@Ballslover18Yeah, Thumin's still cool 😌

[@ftclud.-13yearsago53]

​@@kaylieesquivel4574apparently not according to kai

[@tertiaritus]

All the funnier that her drama was stirred up by just that, drama between friends that didn't have to be public, and the things that were made public about main opponents in this drama were like actually awful

[@AllLifeIsTravesty]

Peaches must have a hell of a guardian angel backing them given that nearly _every. single. person._ who attacked them ended up getting some Biblical levels of judgement sicced on them.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

Honestly, the peaches drama changed the entire community, You know how tanks have reactive armour ? peaches has commentary community reactive armour , everyone who attacked her got blow back

[@Lemonnitenite]

Both of these comments combined makes me think of peaches driving an angel tank 💀

[@savybeanie]

​@@Lemonnitenitepft-

[@BelBelle468]

Karma. The consequences of their own actions lol. They did what they did cuz they were bad ppl, it was going to bite them in the butt eventually.

[@nikkim7038]

it makes perfect sense if you think about. people love to gang up on others like them to attack someone.

[@KalinTheZola]

God I forgot how awful Spoctor was to Peaches. Nothing pisses me off more than recognizing that someone was victimized and then tone policing the victim.

[@ArtfulCosumDust]

He made a separate video trying to appeal to how sexual assault and other victims are villianized and misunderstood yet DIDN'T APOLOGIZE to Peaches. In fact, he told me he "Accidentally" used the grooming thumbnail in DMS. God damn. I feel relieved that I blocked him.

[@LowPolyKidneys]

God, nothing pisses me off more then this idea of like -- How so many people interpret suicide as being selfish. Peaches didn't hurt anyone but herself. Being scared for her well being is NOTHING compared to what she must have been dealing with, and trying to spin it by saying, " Oh no, but think about the people who read that tweet and felt bad! "... She was going to seriously harm herself. And she chose not to. That takes bravery, to decide to help yourself then give up. And people were *mad* she didn't die that day.

[@DangerDan64]

Given how many big youtubers dehumanized her, no one saw a problem with it. That's why I say dehumanization is one of the worst ways to treat a person. Because it leads to others lack any empathy towards them even if they are literally the victim in the situation.

[@candylide]

Is that the hopeless peaches drama? I don't know about it so I'm curious Did people attack her...just bc of that? Is that the drama?

[@caramel9154]

@@candylide that & just making comments about a current drama which other youtubers also did, then her friend creepshowart started lying about her, bunch of stuff.

[@candylide]

@@caramel9154 Oh sh*t, being a content creator seems emotionally exhausting sometimes And what a surprise (sarcasm) that creepshowart treated people close to her horribly

[@fluidwolf]

@@candylide The whole community is predicated on constantly calling people out so it seems to attract a lot of people who love to moral grandstand while being perfectly happy to turn on each other over the slightest things.

[@bearyllovely]

Peaches: *vents abt her mental health and discusses what she's been going through on her personal acc, where she has the right to be herself* Spoctor: Uhm, can you just not be mentally ill? Maybe don't be open about your issues even if you are idealizing death? thanks 👍

[@vulture.editss]

ermmmm being mentally ill is kind of a suboptimal move bro

[@commandercorl1544]

"errrmmm, just be happy??? lol"

[@OutiPhu]

yeah cuz god forbid someone actually use their personal account for vents in 2021 right /sarcastic

[@Scp-707]

"Errmmmmmmm being mentally ill is cringe bro, just stop 🤓👍👍" /j

[@yukiandkanamekuran]

honestly everyone at that time was dogging on peaches, much to creepshow's manipulation and everyone else's horrific negligence. harley tbs was the only one who was right, outside of peaches herself.

[@ThatMeatyDemon]

Bro literally had the best chance to recover from what happened. Years later he fucks it up 🤓☝️.

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

DUDE LITERALLY OMG

[@DJ-fb9cf]

This. This is what upsets me the most Why can't people just not be fucking idiots?

[@zahrachughtai3361]

On god bro

[@commandercorl1544]

"I was 16, she was 13, that's only a 3 year age gap" Yes, a girl fresh out of elementary school who probably started puberty only a couple of years ago, being in a relationship with a guy midway through high school is _perfectly normal,_ Spoctor. I hope he knows it's not just about the amount of years, and moreso about the maturity and life experience.

[@SyerasSanctum]

For real. I'm 16 and, to me, the difference between me and a 13 year old is so glaringly obvious. We're not equals, mentally at least. It's hard for me to imagine being friends with them because of that. And being _attracted_ to them is completely off the table. Ew.

[@flarestorm9417]

It reminds me of when cartoons have a younger kid crush on a much older girl (e.g., an adolescent and a teenager), where-in the younger kid doesn't realize how creepy and weird it is. Said shows usually don't make it official, because of how obviously questionable that relationship dynamic is, for the reasons you stated. Spoctor lived that dynamic out in real life and saw nothing wrong with it, even soliciting nudes and storing them on a flash drive. It'd be one thing if they were the same age, exchanged nudes, and just forgot that they did that, but he literally downloaded and stored them on an external device. Even in a regular relationship that'd be kind of odd behavior.

[@ItsMeVolatility]

Wait how does schooling work where you are if a 13 year old is ‘fresh out of elementary school’? Where I’m at, that’s bordering on high school. 8th grade is the last year of middle school, and kids are 13 then - 9th grade is the first year of high school, kids are 14 then. I’m aware that different countries have different groupings and ages for each year of school, so that’s why I’m wondering

[@commandercorl1544]

@@ItsMeVolatility In my area, 13 is usually the age people are when starting middle school. Regardless of the logistics, my point stands.

[@ItsMeVolatility]

@@commandercorl1544 Noted, was just curious

[@benjo2704]

This entire situation truly opened my eyes as to how corrupt and toxic the commentary community is. I’m so glad I never started a commentary channel.

[@Gustyguy]

Yeah especially what they did to jelly bean

[@Lemonnitenite]

Same here man, even though the clout was tempting

[@ProxiProtogen]

​@@Gustyguypoor girl was brutalized 💀

[@blitzie66]

@@Gustyguywait what happened

[@oncreativemode5486]

​@@blitzie66 jellybean is a teenage pngtuber who was heavily cyber-bullied for being "cringe and a pngtuber", it got so bad that people made a meme to make fun of her (you might recognize the purple(?) skull meme)

[@AretoonStudios]

Spocotor was a lesson for me. i am still forever ashame of myself for ever being a fan of his work when i was younger.

[@Ballslover18]

Don't be. You couldn't have known that he was a bad person.

[@cherry_tonic]

don’t be - you were younger then and seeing what he made i CAN understand why people were roped into his ideals especially when they’re on the younger side you knowing that he’s wrong and growing past it is MUCH more than he’s ever done

[@AretoonStudios]

@@cherry_tonic thank you but it wasn't only that. he practically gave me everything. his server when i was 16 going n gave me basically a family. heck without his server i wouldn't be with my bf who im still with today. but believe me. i am far past him now. forever and for good

[@cherry_tonic]

@@AretoonStudios you're onto bigger and better things and a bright future ahead!

[@AretoonStudios]

@@cherry_tonic how you know so? I'm not venting just thats oddly indetail to what my friends said to me?

[@okami-san99]

I never really got the overall appeal of Spoctor; he could be entertaining at times, but the spineless dork tried to play unaligned, but it was obvious that he had a massive bias.

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

Spinless dork might be one of the best ways to describe the dude

[@ajgameguy3674]

I kinda get it. With some people in the CC being overly emotional or judgemental, it would've been nice to have someone be chill and try to apply nuance/benefit of doubt to some situations. He fumbled hard when it came to the Hopeless Peaches and Hiten situations, though. That, and I think him being falsely accused by Pentagrin and Stories got him some goodwill from the community that blindly sided with them. Said goodwill diminishing during the two previously mentioned situations.

[@Ballslover18]

​@@DefinitelyBoredOrangesI see a lot of people call spoctor a snake but that's an insult to snakes because at least snakes have spines

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

@@ajgameguy3674 spoctor was also one of the last veterans of the devaintart era of the community, so many saw him as someone knowledgeable on drama/commentary history.

[@madmantheepic7278]

I used to watch his videos while i draw in the background lol, imagine my surprise when seeing this popped up. Tbh, idk why im surprised at this point, i watched Creepshow as well as Illuminaughti and well.... why do all of my background video youtubers like this i wonder 🗿

[@Glacial11]

everything leads back to the hopeless peaches drama/tobii drama. shit was a catalyst for the downfall of multiple creators

[@ajgameguy3674]

Deadass, it's not even like most of those creators simply dipped after handling a situation really poorly. They usually had some kind of crazy event that made them look less than reputable, to say the least. CreepshowArt? Participated in a long-lasting harassment campaign against someone for over a decade. Kai Weiss? Was alledgedy abusive towards Omnia and went to court/jail. Junkie? Lied about Hiten and almost ruined her social life and mental wellbeing with barely an ounce of remorse. Spoctor? Had pornographic pics of a minor on a flash drive. Even Camila Cueves, someone that wasn't even in the CC, got called out for fostering a predator on a server full of minors for an extended period of time. It's genuinely insane how so many people that was involved in the Hopeless Peaches situation had their reputations utterly decimated over the course of a year or two.

[@Ballslover18]

​@@ajgameguy3674I couldn't have said it better myself. The only person who called out Peaches that didn't have something bad come out about the most Thumin.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

​@@Ballslover18I think she deserved more push back as she and omnia did try to de-platform peaches

[@lilaniloxi]

​@@mk_gamíng0609 honestly? Pretty sure Thumin got away with that since it was private and to my knowledge she has been lucky enough to not get herself in an insane stupid drama

[@ArtfulCosumDust]

The only people who haven't fallen were either people that defended her, apologized, or just didn't participate.

[@fluidwolf]

The idea that someone who already has issues with mental health being unhappy about being lied about and slandered is considered "over emotional" to him in that video is just....all kinds of awful. It is just sad that after going through the initial false allegations that he did in the past that he has effectively wasted all the efforts people had put forth to defend him

[@NiGHTSIntoMemes]

Given personal relationships are by far one of the strongest lifeboats for people with mental health issues, telling somebody who is _actively suicidal_ to "fix themselves" before they try to connect with others again is legitimately _rancid._ While it might not "fix" things, having a strong support system to fall back on is often the difference between life and death. I can think of very little worse advice to give in that situation than "isolate yourself."

[@skittyhugs7457]

As someone who is occasionally suicidal, I agree The thing that keeps me going when I feel like ending it all *is* the people who love and support me

[@StarShine480]

"But Peaches is a better person." That sure aged like chunky milk.

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

yeah I got cooked by hindsight

[@zahrachughtai3361]

Me when I find out that even more KZbinrs like naked kids (I just want to watch someone who isn’t a degenerate)

[@ParakeetDSi]

​@@DefinitelyBoredOranges what happened?

[@Jan-cc7wb]

@@ParakeetDSi Peaches has been exposed as an ableist that dogpiled against disabled person(Rosa Ray Ramsey) using hard r word, calling her sl*hole and saying ,that she’s faking her autism. Peaches also slandered and tried to destroy peoples reputation in the community (Mali Malware, LioConvoy) and stayed silent about discord server(FCK), where children received p#rn from adults, enabling a predator (Toasty Vanilla) for 4 years. This is summary of Rosa Ray Ramsey call, LioConvoy‘s Adressing things, Lakamokolaka and Akumu videos about FCK server and JARs and Harleytbs respective videos about Peaches/Mali Malware situation.

[@stargazer378]

​@@ParakeetDSi Harleytbs has a video on their channel talking about it if your still interested. But for the tldr: Basically, she and a few other people were in a discord server that had a gr**mer in it and confronted a mod about why said gr**mer wasn't banned. This call quickly spiral into high-school level bullying where she and the others called the mod horrible stuff like sl*t and the r-word. The worst part is that mod in question didn't know about the gr**mer and was just a bystander in the situation.

[@awkwird8035]

The hopeless peaches drama was a low bar of empathy. Similar to the "can you put your shopping cart away" test. Anyone can call themselves a good person or take a moral high ground on big issues, but its the small things that prove whether they are consistent or even honest. That's what this was. Hopeless peaches was in a situation where the two best options were to say nothing or to support. MANY commentary/creators proved that their consistency wasn't about being moral, truthful, or defending others. It was about being critical, with the side effect of seeming moral.

[@gummykyunno.2010]

It’s still absolutely disgusting that they weaponized Peaches low point in her mental health to “expose” her for… falling out of friendships. It’s even grosser that the people who harassed her are still salty.

[@velvet7304]

Gotta love how Spoctor's take on Peaches defending herself was literally just "have you tried just being quiet while everyone's slandering your name?" Like god, that just makes no fucking sense, and it shouldn't have made sense back then. If people are spreading misinformation about you, you absolutely should be defending yourself. Dogpiling on someone and repeating the popular opinion just to save face should not be your go-to. The Peaches drama was a failure on nearly every level, because most people didn't look too closely at the evidence being presented and just automatically assumed that Peaches was in the wrong. It shouldn't have taken Creepshow getting exposed on lolcow to convince everyone to back the fuck off.

[@commandercorl1544]

Saying the whole, "just don't do anything about it" reeks of those anti-bullying school PSAs you'd gather in the gym for in 3rd grade.

[@velvet7304]

@@commandercorl1544 It also just sounds extremely ableist. It only encourages the perpetrators to keep doing what they're doing, and it's such a backwards mindset. It's the 2020s, we should know better by now.

[@OffbrandDTraveler]

He tries to frame it as being out of concern for her too but like. Anyone who’s truly concerned for her would realize that letting the bad guys win literally doesn’t help at all

[@charadremurr2365]

​@@Haramelized i think creepshow is SOMEWHAT innocent due to her current ABUSIVE BOYFRIEND who has been CONFIRMED to be abusive from his ex(es) so he might be the cause for creepshow being so aggressive

[@kuraiaku2997]

​@@charadremurr2365um, so if I'm doing crime and someone close to me is abusive I'm innocent of those crime? Neat!

[@isaachays2353]

Spocter is a “there’s good guys on both sides” centrist while fully being on board with the worse possible side

[@Spacingout3000]

Man I swear, every art commentator I watched from 2020-early 2022 literally were all cancelled. From tobi, Creepshow, spoctor, omnia, & peaches😭 it seems like the only one was in the right was peaches, she genuinely got canceled for no real reason. The art commentary community is a shitstrom.

[@catcactus1234]

I haven’t been that involved since the first videos about Peaches came out, was it disproven that Peaches kept lying to people and stirring up drama? Everyone else involved definitely deserved to get cancelled with their insane behavior, but I never heard what exactly happened with the initial “peaches is a toxic person” narrative. Was everyone lying about everything?

[@Hjernespreng]

"Commentary channels" of the sort that jump on drama by their very nature attract opportunistic and predatory personality types.

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Yet peaches is doing the exact same thing as the others did when they made videos about her. Making up lies, exaggerating the truth, and digging up skeletons to shout out to the world. She went from wanting people to take accountability, to becoming the thing she hated. All cuz she was impatient. Literally no one in this community is to be trusted, especially considering how damn parasocial everyone’s shown to be (mostly viewers)

[@somniphobiaanderraticism]

aged poorly. Seems like the art commentary community is just full of shitty people who all have a seat reserved in hell LOL

[@zahrachughtai3361]

Peaches likes kids.

[@yuuriahl]

Hot take, everyone in this situation needed to just keep their nose out of Peaches's business I once had a friend who accused me of suicide bating because I told him I felt like I wanted to and at the end of the conversation I said "good bye" because I thought he was going to bed and I needed some time to myself, come back hours later to see he was blowing up my phone with messages half saying "are you alright" and half saying "at least have the decency to go through with it"

[@ChinChilla__]

That really sucks, hope you’re doing better now

[@yuuriahl]

@@ChinChilla__ Yeah I'm alright, luckily this happened around 5 years ago and this guy's been cut from my life almost as long

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

GOD THAT LAST ONE what the actual hell, the audacity to say that 💀

[@yuuriahl]

@@paradoxtatorstudios9681 honestly for awhile there I was genuinely wondering if even suggesting self harm was just a no go to anyone because of that reaction, glad to see thats not the case :3

[@Ballslover18]

I feel bad for Ponder. She made an entire video series defending him and then he goes ahead and does the very thing she saved him from. Like seriously, he had the perfect out and he decided to mess it all up. You hate to see it.

[@aku2136]

fr poor Ponder

[@ajgameguy3674]

Seriously. The situation with Pentagrin and Stories shook up the community hard, and it was Ponder and a couple others that helped with clearing Spoctor's name that shot the whole thing down. I like to think that that situation helped most people learn to apply nuance and some reasonable skepticism to situations like that. The dude genuinely got saved from being a labled a groomer over a sketchy situation...and then proceeded to fumble it with the flash drive. You hate to see it.

[@KalinTheZola]

I get the mentality but I wouldn't feel bad for Ponder. She wasn't wrong when she defended him back then and victims can also be victimizers. I feel like her response would just be "well fuck that guy" and that's about it. I think the thing I feel bad for her over is all the people constantly contacting her wanting to call out everyone under the sun lol

[@Ballslover18]

​@@KalinTheZolaoh no, believe me I get that. Victims can be abusers as well. It's a sad fact people want to deny. Still, that has to suck pouring hours and hours and hours of research to try to defend somebody of false allegations only for them to do the exact same shit they were accused of. All that effort down the drain.

[@Kumaclaws]

If it’s any consolation, she knows that you can’t fix stupid. Though I’d also like to mention that her videos fit better as a “do extensive research about accusations before making a stance” more than “Spoctor is 100% innocent of all his accusations”. Even in the original video she mentioned where he messed up

[@DangerDan64]

I knew Spoctor is a coward, but I didn't expect for him to also being heartless. But the information and the videos he made really shows.

[@dmzb]

this aged line fine wine considering what happened in the senate with hopeless peaches and lio

[@mysryuza]

I used to look up to Spoctor, then stopped watching due to disinterest. When I found out what he did, it felt so bizarre because we went through the PentaStories allegations years ago and now Spoctor did the bs similar to what he was previously accused of being.

[@plushiewatches]

Listening to sections of Spoctors video on Peaches has a strange sense of irony to it that i only just now noticed. Spoctor tells Peaches that she focused too hard on defending against Luke, then goes and does the same with Lin Lin in his video. Only worse so in that case, given the other criticisms to him were, you know, true. Speculation on my end, but i cant help to wonder if there was some amount of projection there, and maybe in some other points of that video.

[@Ballslover18]

Rules for thee but not for me

[@ArtfulCosumDust]

Ironic saying that "I don't want your apology" is too "mean" but saying someone is fundamentally broken as a person isn't worse, WHAT!!

[@DynoSkrimisher]

Peaches: _Vents and has the right too._ Spocter: Can you not be yourself? *FOR FIVE MINUTES?!?*

[@marycanary6989]

Everyone else involved was somehow so much worse than Peaches

[@mk_gamíng0609]

Not hard when Peaches did nothing really that wrong , all she did was be vulnerable around a pack of fucking hyenas

[@koffinrott]

Like, it's clear he didn't think at any point he was completely out of line with a 13 year old. Implying that a three year difference isn't that bad. One is an 7th grader and the other is a sophomore in highschool. That is a MASSIVE gap in time, growth, and experiences. One is fresh out of grade school, while the othet is a year away from planning which colleges to apply to in the next year. He should have never had a "fling" with that girl to begin with. And as for the flash drive, he shouldn't have kept it. Ever. Him being a minor at the time is not a good enough excuse to deflect from something that should have been obviously wrong, and was still wrong all those years ago.

[@CatLady-9327]

Oh, he knows it was wrong. Why else follow it up with "so, only a three year age gap" if not to justify himself?

[@jasperjazzie]

exactly, so many people only focus on the numbers themselves and not the experiences attached to those numbers, and it's dumb. plus people think if you're still a minor that means you can date a minor of any other age, 15 and 18 is something way less people would attempt to defend but it's the same amount of age difference, yet bc one is 18 for some reason people view it differently. they're both wrong.

[@koffinrott]

@@CatLady-9327 I totally get what you're saying. It's been my personal experience though that people trivialize age gaps not always/just as justification, but because to them it's genuinely trivial and by no means a big deal.

[@koffinrott]

@@jasperjazzie Yes! It seems like a lot of people don't know how to contextualize age and life experience at all and it's wild to me. Then again I had some really good people in and around my life. In this case I had a really cool Bio teacher that decided to sideline our discussion about plant cells with a quick lesson on ethics and dating, because there were rumors he cock blocked one of the football team players. I guess one of his freshman students in another class was dating a senior (the football player) and, because he's a good guy, notified the dean of students, parents, and school guidance counselor to talk it out and get things sorted out appropriately. But he asked how many of us thought age was "just a number" and we all proceeded to engage in a very interesting discussion about what is and isn't appropriate. Ultimately it parsed down to "that student just got out of middle school, and the other is going to go to university on a sports scholarship". The class was really quiet afterwards. He gave us all a lot to think about.

[@flarestorm9417]

In an earlier call, Hopeless Peaches and LioConvoy tried to confront him, only for him to just spew random noise into his mic and eventually run off. It was basically an online version of the "la la la, I'm not listening." Then you have the call where he admits to being in that suspect relationship with a 13 year-old as a 16 year-old, where-in he brushes criticisms off and laughs off how serious it is. In isolation, I'd be able to dismiss the call with his friends as nerves and coping, but put together with everything else it paints him as a irresponsible, spineless snake. I don't know if he feels sorry about what he did, but he probably has no interest in taking accountability either way. Dismissing it as "being horny and stupid", "it's only a 3 year age-gap", "it was a fling", etc., is just downplaying the issue. You don't get to do that when you've gone after people for much less, and have often been shown to knowingly lie about things with no proper rebuttal or apology.

[@sp3chatesu6669]

I have to give credit to Hopeless Peaches and Lio Convoy. They exposed a monster and I hope they keep up the good work. Great video oranges! ❤️

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

everyone else kind of did the heavy lifting tbh 😅

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

back this up with a source@@IcyDUD3

[@YohaneChi]

⁠@@IcyDUD3source?

[@TheKillerMoth]

@@IcyDUD3 proof?

[@eskimopython2807]

@@DefinitelyBoredOrangesI bet it came from the FBI

[@tekkokagi6009]

When the drama was hot I watched the spoctor video and didn't know wtf was happening so I watched the prison mate luke video and didn't know wtf was happening and then I watched your video and realized there was really nothing of substance at all at the root of it and the whole drama was not even worth the time I spent learning about it

[@forrestpatterson6053]

Thanks for this.

[@Bunihime]

Honestly same

[@fluffywhompus]

Dudes only argument for why peaches was a bad person was talking about her mental illness?? Spocter is the exact reason there is such a horrible stigma for people with mental illness. Like just talking about it and she immediately gets demonized and called a suicide baiter.

[@kory_misun]

I really hope that Hiten is enjoying their life and has as many true friends as they want. Those loathsome reptiles will hopefully stay gone and get the proper amount of professional help.

[@cymtk]

bored oranges, hopeless peaches, depressed apples, elated pricklepear

[@OliverStarfall]

Melancholy moonsh- wait wrong category

[@PrimYuvia]

I’m late, but crestfallen blueberries

[@crystalcrusader711]

You’d think someone who almost lost everything to two people intentionally misrepresenting him, would give half a damn to not go around and do that to someone else.

[@VeronicaXJasper]

I can't believe Prison Mate Luke was ironically correct about both Hopeless Peaches and Just A Robot.

[@bluemoon3043]

Cursed Lord, what a fucking slap in the face to Ponder. She put so much effort into clearing this man's name when he was falsely accused of being a child predator only for him to turn around a few years later and become exactly what Penta and Stories said he was. Self-fulfilling prophecy at its absolute worst.

[@alex_ze_awsumyt5484]

I’ll be fully honest, when Spoctor’s career crashed and burned to the ground, I was not surprised, but still disappointed 😬

[@Rockthenashtah]

Bruh the way he was giggling or nervous laughing throughout that call was infuriating

[@-cupcakestudios-]

Spoctor was never a big creator I could get into, and Im glad I couldn't. All of this is wild.

[@tankladd]

I hate the commentary community nowadays but I used to be big into as a kid a couple years back. I remember the hopeless peaches shit years ago and it was boring so I didn’t care. The fact that YEARS later this shit is still going on/being talked about is hilarious. Looking back on the commentary community now that shit was so childish, I’m kinda glad it’s crumbling

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

Fitting that both Junkie and Peaches are on this thubnail, as, in the end, both fumbled and destroyed everything.

[@brzzychzzy]

imagine telling people ur about to game end urself and people get mad at you for not going through w it💀wth spoctor

[@fudgen.a1249]

I realized I had poor critical thinking skills regarding the majority of these situations as I got older! 🙃

[@Toffupure]

Same, we all at one point thought he was right lmao.

[@TheSolarWolf]

Don’t beat yourself up. It’s a growing experience to realize that you were on the wrong side.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Admitting to valuing a friend's words over literal proof is tied with "always believe victims" on the scale of accidentally admitting to being human garbage.

[@lilbread1717]

Honestly, the "don't talk about your mental health or you are su*cide-baiting" shows very well the mentality people have on social media about mental illnesses and trauma, which is that if you EVER talk about it, you are "trauma-dumping" and "using people as your therapist" when it's not the case at all

[@Kumaclaws]

I would love to see Spoctor react if he was in Peaches’ shoes. He went ballistic because some dumb teen said “just log off lol” after he was falsely labeled a pedophile. Oh but he wants to talk about “being calm” lmao. God, what a loser

[@gutsonthemic5261]

Spocker was friends with creep show art? It all makes sense.

[@fizzypebble332]

spoctors advice was basically just "dont talk about your problems/mental health because you can make others upset"

[@ixnoah]

Can't believe Spoctor would do this! (I have not watched this video as it came out 20 seconds ago)

[@koiifsh]

me neither! (im 45 seconds into the video)

[@comfeytimid1207]

i dont know all of this drama but i really hated his video where he covered DID tiktoks, dude practically said so much nonsense and hurtful words it was enough to lose all my trust in him

[@paigemosher8697]

Same with his ADHD video. He was very obviously, glaringly misinformed on the online neurodivergent community as a whole, with a weird unearned superiority complex despite being an outsider of said community. I don't care if he supposedly has ADHD himself, he still hurt others with the same disorder and didn't think twice on how tone-policing neurodivergent people with struggles much larger than his would come off. That's pretty much when I dropped him. It was pretty obvious to me then that he never belonged here.

[@TheVillainousSoul]

​@@paigemosher8697 / I don't see many people bring up the issues with the ADHD video as much. He's said he's had ADHD for quite a while if I remember, but regardless he basically just said. "Well I have ADHD and I haven't had these traits, so you guys must be lying or wrong" Which essentially is like saying people can only have one experience with ADHD... Some of the stuff he said isn't true to ADHD, is some of the stuff I've experienced with my own ADHD (ADD as it was formerly known, but I think they changed it) One example of things he said people who experience ADHD don't experience is spacing out. He said people with anxiety can space out but not people who just have ADHD. And as someone who has both spacing out during panic and spacing out due to ADHD are very different experiences. They're not the same. There are some other ones but I don't remember those points clearly. Would go over them more if I could.

[@comfeytimid1207]

@@TheVillainousSoul oh my god :( that's horrible, i didn't realize that he had an adhd video too

[@savybeanie]

I didn't see the did video, but the adhd made me not like him at all

[@comfeytimid1207]

@@savybeanie i think its a good thing you didn't see it, a lot of people just bootlicked him in the comment section just on the fact that he is their idol on that one

[@nematocyxt]

wasn't peaches also literally a child when all of this went down? if so that does NOT help spoctors case at all

[@spaceace9103]

Props to however made the new character art, love the hair.

[@rach-cv552]

honestly, y'all should've seen the red flags in how he handled the Hopeless Peaches drama. bro literally told her to not talk about her mental health issues bc it makes her look like an "attention-seeker", I'm surprised he didn't lose his career right there.

[@pogggaming4470]

Or was outright killed

[@FillaneAmmisto]

I'll be fair and say that peaches initial involvement in the Toby drama, claiming to know both parties "personally" to say neither of them was honest was not right, but holy sht did people overreact. I saw people making false r@pe accusations getting less backlash than her, despite her making one comment that wasn't her place, a comment which didn't shift the drama and her positive comment on jars terrible video also didn't really had an impact cause the ACC got three targets to jump at (let's be honest the Toby drama was basically that). I'm glad that peaches reputation fully recovered. It's just sad to see that Spoctor refused to give her closure cause of his pride

[@mk_gamíng0609]

I disagree I don't think peaches did too much wrong , Especially when with all that has come out paints a picture that A lot of the people who called her out had it out for her from the get go, so they LIED about her , outed private issues and dogpiled on her

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Why was JARs video bad?

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

It's Ironic that Spoctor is Innocent during Pentagrin Incident. But again, "There's No Horors Amoung Theives" is pretty much very real because Bad People will knows who's bad right away.

[@boneheaded8919]

Man for someonoe who is completely Neutral, he really dunked on Peaches and gave the ones that harmed her a slap on the wrist. Its disgusting and I hope he never comes back

[@Lio_Convoy]

I could stand to be better.

[@YodaOnABender]

Hopeless Peaches is starting feel like the Big Bang of the drama community at this point

[@svgarpaws]

I'm sure Lin is lovely and did a great job with this video, but I just can't listen to her for long, at least not while I already have a headache 😭 The parts of the video I was able to watch though were great, Spoctor always struck me as a strange critter to say the least

[@mk_gamíng0609]

I am pretty sure you have made this exact same comment in another video , maybe just not watch if you hate it so much ?

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@mk_gamíng0609I don't think ine person talking for a few minutes is going to putway being educated.

[@AleTitan]

Yeah, the voice changer makes it a bit hard to understand what they are saying, at times

[@ShinyShilla]

​@@mk_gamíng0609it was probably me although I still didnt watch this video, unfortunately I have this deficit that if a voice has a certain tone/way of speaking I cant listen 😢

[@justakettlehelm1673]

Looking back on this, I love how quick everyone was to throw prison mate luke under the bus

[@lathiat6535]

GOD I remember seeing stuff about this Hopeless Peaches person everywhere so I happened to click on Spoctor's video and hearing him say "You are absolutely broken as a person" in a video disgusted me so much I couldn't believe anybody watched him

[@TecTitan]

A problem with commentary is the propensity to turn real people into villain characters that they can farm content out of. This has happened naturally at times for some people. Keem and Ethan became each other's Vilalins, for example. When they try to force it they clearly victimize more people unnecessarily.

[@Barakon]

I used to be a fan of this guy…until I watch someone rightfully call him out. Thanks for being his replacement for me, bro.

[@chiannsmith6803]

My hate towards Spoctor started with his "what counts as animation" video if I remember the title right, because rather than just explain this concept properly and handle explaining the styles of animation, he basically made the video to bash and hate on Vocaloid music videos. It disgusted me so much as a Vocaloid fan to see someone use an educational and frankly interesting topic as a trojan horse to bash an entire community for simply existing. So when he pulled all this shit, I frankly was not surprised. It felt so in-character based on what I'd seen of him to use meaningful topics as trojan horses to say horrible things

[@an_0_mal1ce6]

I don't even know how to feel right now. I genuinely enjoyed his content for a time, especially after seeing him triumph over the first major drama. So on one hand I can't readily denounce him, but on the other I can't defend him either. I'm almost never actively a fan of the people who get called out like this so this situation is pretty surreal. Even so, I can't say I'm all that surprised. Given that, in the best case scenario, he is still a dumba__.

[@doompoison2365]

From my perspective he was a smart and promising individual ruined by a heart of cowardice. He ran away from the drive drama because he was scared of the criticism, and likewise he jumped onto the Peaches hate bandwagon to cover himself behind a community of crucifiers. If he had just come out and faced the allegations and tool responsibility for his actions everything would've been ok. But instead he succumbed to his fear and took on the position of an accuser so he himself would not be accused. I dislike cowards, they are the people with potential for good but let bad things happen before their very eyes or perpetuate those bad things themselves. Even still I cannot bring myself to hate him, I see a man barley into adulthood who has been traumatized by an awful community and has receeded into its grip as a result. I really hope that he comes out and owns up for all his terrible decisions so he can move on from the commentary community for good.

[@IamEL1979]

Spoctor mostly just targeted kids for some reason. Kid animators, kid drama, etc. I think they were just easy targets for him to pick on.

[@wegb]

so many videos like this make me realize how absolutely insane the commentary community actually is

[@camie2075]

Idk if I was the only one, but man calling a woman (or someone who is female presenting?) over emotional gives me so many icky feelings

[@ZzzarieL]

man i used to watch this dude, forgot about him for a while and now theres a vid talking about how the dude fucked up his career

[@lolitamolita5354]

Me in a bag fumbling competition and my opponent is Spoctor 😱

[@RandoSando.]

Man, this did not age well. How in the hell did peaches go so long without being canceled? Aside from being a literal stalker, she was just as bad as creepshowart

[@Lechgang]

It puts into perspective the fact that they're *all* really shitty people.

[@nugget4yearsago518]

Just shit people trying to dig up dirt on shit people in order to not look like shit people. Art commentary community is cesspool of horrible individuals trying to crawl over each other

[@thomasalvarenga2839]

This point I stopped trying to find any role models in this platform, since you never known when someone turns bad no matter how good they started.

[@daniboy4153]

I asked this once and I'll ask it again Why are people proving themselves to be worse than Peaches? Like just why are they proving to be the real villains in the whole situation? They once advocated for people with mental health and made themselves look like they care, but they proved they don't care about mental health or anyone as a whole.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

It's not hard to look worse than peaches tho , when peaches did nothing really wrong other being human , she didn't diddle kids , she didn't lie , she didn't stalk someone , she wasn't abusing anyone she harmed no one but herself. So yea it is super easy to be worse than peaches. Maybe it's like these terrible people wanted someone to distract the community from looking at them closer

[@namkia205]

​@@mk_gamíng0609But Peaches wasn't the best person for that lol she does way too little weird stuff like you said why don't they just made CreepShowArt or Onison or someone like that their scapegoat?

[@TheSolarWolf]

@@namkia205You are comparing a candybar wrapper on the floor levels of gross to a hoarder’s house levels of gross here, pal. I don’t think you understand just how astronomical scales of magnitude someone like Peaches bad traits are compared to the people who rentlessly attacked her’s bad traits.

[@namkia205]

@@TheSolarWolf That's what you meant is what I said essentially I think my english grammar just sucks and I didn't speak clearly enough I meant why wasn't Spoctor using CreepShowArt or Onision as a Scapegoat because Peaches was always harmless. It would still make him look better now. The worst thing Peaches did was being mentally ill. I was attacking Spoctor not Peaches, my grammar is just bad I am sorry...

[@ww3196]

Somewhat off-topic, but I love the new avatar art, Orange! The artist did a great job!

[@melon_collie]

i was wondering where his channel went

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

Isn't he back?

[@melon_collie]

@@DefinitelyBoredOranges uh, im not sure! I can definitely check for you though

[@sonic3224Gamer]

God I remember those videos when they came out. made me fume with anger with how heartless they were to someone who is already dealing with an immense amount of emotional distress.

[@-.CRUMBZ.-]

Had a feeling this would happen, hadn't check on him in a bit

[@urvampmari]

I’m so happy someone made a video on this

[@darkestsonorousprophet]

I love destroying my sleep schedule to watch random drama videos I know nothing about

[@twotruckslyrics]

🤝sleep schedule? what sleep schedule?

[@AlexDayz]

Crazy how when you think about it, the Tobi drama has created a butterfly effect that’s still going on to this day w people like Kai and Omnia. And Tobi doesn’t even make content anymore (to my knowledge)

[@images9536]

I hear a Rude Buster remix in the background I can not escape Deltarune as of lately (I'm not complaining though since I'm partially hyperfixating on it at the moment)

[@Moofshire]

I completely forgot ab Spoctor ngl until i saw this vid pop up. Wasnt too into the Peaches drama so this video was a shocker for me. Good Lord. Cant believe i used to avidly watch Spoctor

[@toaster1229]

commentary youtuber drama makes me feel better as a person cause god everyone involved doesn't interact with the real world at all

[@topcat59]

I feel like the worst part about this is that he didn’t allow his fans to archive his videos or give them a heads up on what he was about to do, since some of his videos weren’t commentary related and were pretty good It’s just a shame that they’re gone forever.🐱

[@realdragon]

I love watching videos about random ass drama about people I have never heard before. I don't even know who's right or wrong or who is changing the facts because that's the only video about this topic I will ever see in my life

[@emerald_does_art]

I was looking for Spoctors old videos because they used to be comfort for me, i never realized he was a horrible person before, as his Webkinz videos always made me laugh when i didnt feel well. Im dissapointed to say the least, i just wanted to watch his old Webkinz videos, i was never an avid watcher of him, but thank you for letting me know what happened 😭

[@bvdf84]

I don't care what anyone says but these type of long videos about drama are just so adicting and your style of editing and pacing really gives me a reason to watch your videos instead of someone else's about the same topic

[@fl8281]

Soon or later you're all going to have your own dramas. It's inevitable

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

I still remember how people were still coming to defense of Spoctor once he released his video on Peaches drama... I was mostly appaled due to one thing back then - for me it was clear that Peaches and Tobi were both victims of targeted effort to crush their channels. Omnia made a comment at end of one of her videos to people defending Tobi that they should stay out or "they will end up like their little friend" (seriously, how everyone just mentioned that, and did not dig deeper is a mystery to me, though must give it to Kaii, he made her edit video and took the line out, but many people already noticed it and made mention of it in their videos). Spoctor was in same situation. Three creators made a Discord channel and tried to fuck him over. And if PKrussl or Ponder who were at forefront of whole thing decided to ignore evidence they came upon he would be literally fucked. With capital fucking F. Years after that Spoctor finds himself in PKRussl/Ponder shoes, heck he did not had to do any digging. He was literally handed evidence he could use to help Peaches. And what did he do? He decided his place in the pecking order and current status quo of commentary community was more important. I really don't care about that murky CP drive thing, since we do not have any evidence he jacked off to that, it can be still explained as him being a dumbass. But him being such a fucking bitch when it came to helping someone in same fucking situation he was? Unaccaeptable, unforgiveable. Get that smug iguana on a stick, sent him to Gulag, and make him walk on the egg shells.

[@aviaretubbs2340]

Guess you can say that like Peaches, Spoctor is pretty Hopeless.

[@jammo7370]

It was so surreal to be building gunpla with this as background noise, glancing back at my monitor at 20:00, and seeing the POS discord call with a guy building gunpla as background footage lol

[@theconqueringram5295]

Ah yes, sometimes it's best to stay out of drama like this.

[@zahrachughtai3361]

You’re cooking but the food went bad 💀 the thing about hopeless peaches being a good person… she’s ableist and manipulated her friends and tried to frame them as defending CP so oof

[@zahrachughtai3361]

Not your fault bro your still based

[@WaffelWuffel]

yeah, videos like this didnt age good

[@zahrachughtai3361]

@@WaffelWuffel yeah it sucks because this man cooks

[@Lechgang]

To be fair, that stuff wasn't common knowledge when this video came out.

[@WaffelWuffel]

@@Lechgang yeah, this is why I said that it didnt age well, but Im not blaming anyone for not knowing certain things at the time

[@mk_gamíng0609]

Who the fuck made Peaches the sacrificial lamb to out a lot of the bad actors in the commentary community? Poor girl Also i think we can now quanify time periods in the commentary community by going BPD ( Before peaches drama )and APD ( After peaches drama)

[@TheRealJustAGuy]

Why does Lin sound like she inhaled enough helium to be like the people in the air head commercials (No offense it’s just what I hear)

[@VSLII808]

Maybe a voice changer

[@christalcavanaugh]

I always get Lovely Peaches and Hopeless Peaches mixed up. If you know who I’m talking about, you can understand how confusing and distressing this is lmao

[@sakiyaki-sashimi]

I’m sorry I used to love Spoctor, I was 11 and thought he was the coolest smartest guy and just automatically agreed with whatever he said as long as he was the one who said it 😭😭😭I’m sorry 😭

[@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR]

I hope this doesn't get demonetized. Mine was growing fast and got hit on day 3 now it's growth is staggered.