How Star Trek’s Multiverse Expanded the Final Frontier

[@xKR33Px]

Welcome back Lore. A few years ago I suggested you doing a Borg vs Voth scenario. I have another suggestion. Hirogen vs Jem'Hadar. Not the whole fleet One Hirogen crew vs One Jem'Hadar crew

[@ClericOfPholtus]

I didn't know Wheaton got to come back to Trek, good for him

[@charlestownsend9280]

Yeah he appears for a brief moment at the end of picard season 2 and then is in prodigy seas9n 2, where he's basically the doctor of the star trek universe, minus the police box, screwdriver and regeneration.

[@XHunter442]

Ty for the video and LLAP!

[@michaelcroff7097]

When I was 11 I read “A Brief History of Time” after watching TNG reruns on Spike TV. Being of that impressionable age, “multiverse” is how I interpret the world around me even today 🤷‍♂️

[@rmcdudmk212]

Everyone is doing multiverse madness. I blame Micheal Morecock. 😂

[@stevenwood7131]

A side question. Do the Q travel to parallel universes. Been thinking of the voyager episode "death wish" where Quinn is bored because he did everything, been everywhere, and there nothing else to do or be or explore or discuss. If the Q don't travel to different universes, maybe it's something for the Q to do.

[@charlestownsend9280]

If they don't it might just be a case of not wanting to mess with things on that scale or running into other Q or potential thrests that could challenge them.

[@MahsaKaerra]

The Q Continuum can certainly accurately perceive divergent events and parallel universes. The sort of thing that would prompt Q to throw the Enterprise D in the path of a Borg cube that one time.. As much to alert humanity to a specific danger as it was to set in motion the events that would prepare the alpha quadrant for another, much greater threat. Also, not only can the Q travel to parallel universes, they can carry other people with them. In Picard season 2, the allegedly dying Q takes the titular protagonist to the closest thing TNG ever gets to the mirror universe. Wherein Picard is a galaxy conquering warlord and Seven is the Confederate President.

[@BrokenEyes00]

It’s not an official Doctor Who crossover until someone actually says “Wibbly wobbly Timey whiny”. There also needs to be an episode involving concrete angels.

[@vic5015]

Allons y!

[@Shadx27]

For my Liberated Borg officer in Star Trek Online, I have in his back ground stories that during his academy years, he realized he has different memories of events, due to a temporal defended positronic brain enhancement. After going over the alternate memories, changes he noticed, and so forth, he final notices a connection of changes to styles and fashions of late 20th and early 21rst centuries. Section 31, department of temporal investigations, and an unknown group had to debrief him and stop his findings from going public.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

5:45 Stargate also has a multiverse

[@SorenNido]

Science and technology is lens through which Star Trek examines its space magic. That is something I've always been told by my father who has been watching Trek since it came out

[@nh3heathen348]

Glad to see you back

[@XHunter442]

Living witness was the closest thing to a Mirror universe voyager had!

[@XHunter442]

Enterprise the time ships Organic component was voyager from it as blue too!

[@XHunter442]

ST TNG Parelle's 250K+ hails!

[@XHunter442]

aww i still havent seen prodigy season 2 i wonder how ill do that unless i buy it on DVD!

[@spencer9972]

idk id say living witness was pretty close when the doctor got turned on hundreds of years to to tell the tale of the "Warship Voyager" and if u really wanna reach the docs holo novel isnt far off

[@sureshmukhi2316]

However that was a false history, not an alternate reality.

[@jcrebel18]

2:30 it's non canon since it's a game but that episode was actually referenced in Star Trek Online. In that they referred to it as spatial scission, so in that case you're both right and wrong as in that story he died and was reborn as a Kobali.

[@mleadenham1]

I think the TNG episode S7 episode "Parallels," which established the multiverse, renders any discussion of 'canon' moot, since literally any possible story happed on some branch of the timeline somewhere or other. So STO happened, The Kelvin Timeline happened, Axanar happened, all the books happened, your cousin's brother's fanfic happened. That's why the terms "Prime Timeline" or "Prime Universe" more accurately reflect what's going on with the narrative than 'canon.'

[@jcrebel18]

@@mleadenham1 yeah, was just saying he's both right and wrong because the other Kim is both Harry Kim and Ketan (his Kobali name).

[@mleadenham1]

The Star Trek Multiverse means literally every Star Trek story is canon, and that the only thing that isn't canon is canon itself.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Which is lame. Same bs with the MCU.

[@charlestownsend9280]

​@MikefromTexas1 every major sci-fi franchise has a multiverse though, star wars, Doctor who, stargate, etc and the existence of those doesn't impact on the importance of the main timeline or the characters within them.

[@MikefromTexas1]

@@charlestownsend9280 Sometimes it does, and that's when it's a problem.

[@RandomYT05_01]

​@@MikefromTexas1 At least the MCU does a better job of it. Star Trek is comparatively a mess.

[@mleadenham1]

@@RandomYT05_01 No, I disagree. I think Star Trek does a better job, because while it acknowledges that the multiverse exits, its rarely seen. Aside from the occasional foray into the Mirror Universe the Kelvin Timeline, or whatever the heck was going on in Picard S2, the Prime Universe remains the narrative focus. Too much emphasis on the multiverse would be distracting and remove the stakes from the primary narrative. Marvel, by contrast, tried to make the Multiverse itself their Next Big Thing™ and we all saw how that turned out.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Thanks Lore reloaded for another great episode very interesting

[@mechredd]

My favorite Star Trek universe is STO. The stories are interesting and they constantly reference obscure episodes. For instance, in the Voyager episodes mentioned in this video, prime universe Harry dies and is forever replaced in the prime universe by his alternate. In STO the body of prime Harry is recovered by aliens, revived and goes crazy as his DNA is altered to turn him into one of the aliens. He actually serves as a villain before finally accepting his fate. STO also has you fighting the Terran empire and their version of the borg. Theres yet another universe where Seela joined Starfleet and the Iconians are allies of the federation.

[@julianbashir8277]

Havent come across this channel in awhile

[@dennisluchesi]

Fascinating!

[@MrChupacabra555]

Huh, I didn't know they brought back Wesley, but in 'Prodigy' instead of Season 3 of Picard, which is at least a 'bronze metal' for Nostalgia Bait, I guess.

[@ZontarDow]

An Enterprise crossover with Doctor Who almost did happen since doing a crossover episode to help introduce the characters revival to American audiences but that didn't go anywhere since season 5 never gave it a chance.

[@donovanbradford8231]

Actually the first episode to play with alternate universes was the TOS episode the Alternative Factor in which two identical beings create the same tech that allows the passing between universes. But one being is made of matter while the other is made of anti-matter so when these two come into the briefest of contact it has universe shattering effects that would make both Thanos and Owlman jealous. The biggest issue Star Trek has is it's been done to death and it's incredibly hard to follow. I prefer the nice multiverse of DBZ prime timeline that we see and watch, Future Trunks timeline where the androids rule. the Cell's timeline where the Z Fighters are gone and the androids so Cell needs a time machine to go back in time or another universe to get those androids. And minus Lower Decks and Resurgence, I find I like less and less of new Trek for a multitude of reasons. Maybe if they had the ability to give us more episodes like Legacy Trek seasons there'd be a better balance sadly there isn't one in Disco era.

[@undrachvrsage]

I'm still waiting for the Vulcan genemod video.

[@nitehawk86]

Star Trek Emnerprise :P

[@Tamalain]

You forgot to mention the Kelvin Timeline.

[@288theabe]

We don't speak of that abortion

[@deez8993]

​@288theabe the hate really is unwarranted

[@christianrissotto.gordohom3478]

@@288theabe Everything is a mess there exept the ships.... the ships make absolutly sense and they are exactly right were they should. And even Daniels in star trek online in a mission sends you to that mess to aid the yorktown.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

I was about to mention that, but maybe we're living in a timeline where Kelvin doesn't exist. 😄

[@bigfootwalker5399]

Narada Incursion = Kelvin Timeline 4:51

[@JoeyJoejoe-sq9io]

The ds9 episode kind of shows the inherent inconsistency of a multiverse with parallel histories. If Spock saw what happened in the ds9 episode, he'd postulate that the universe was a giant ancestor memory with multiple matrix like cyber-worlds with our actual bodies encased in titanium tubes, working on hyperspace math in giant Matrioska brains. 'It's the only logical conclusion.' Here's what I mean. The two universes were so aligned that their ships were the same and the uniforms are only a little different. They speak the same language without accent. They go to the same locations at the same time, beam down at exactly the same moment. So there must be some a force that holds the chaotic events that define history in near but not perfect alignment. And yet, twenty years later it's totally different. The empire is shattered but the federation is doing pretty okay. Where's that aligning force? And what does it say about free will? And I'm not criticizing the show or the writers or the plot. It's like criticizing star trek for having mainly humanoids. It's part of the kabuki. But the very premise of historical variations can be resolved. Maybe there was some divergence and because of Mirror Mirror our universes are tied together a like the doorway to the antimatter universe that the Lazarus twins settled in. But that's some serious mental gymnastics and similar enough to Marvel Phase 4 that it would be beyond cringe. It would have probably ruined that awesome ds9 episode if they tried, you know, like Loki. BTW I bet that after a year or so of pummeling each other, the Lazarus guys eventually figured out how to deal with their issues and they're thick as thieves now.

[@grahamturner1290]

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[@daviddiggens8841]

I have to admit it is funny for gene Roddenbury to show what the world would end up like under socialism/ communism in mirror/ mirror considering he thought the future was socialist/ communist to begin with but only in a "post scarcity society" which he must have known would never happen in reality

[@sasamichan]

star trek doesn't change from what it was meant to be till Enterprise , Discovery, Strange New Worlds. Prodigy and Lower Decks gets it back on track.

[@Soguwe]

Curious that you put Stargate further away from the space magic They have a lot of space magic too. Theirs is just internally consistent

[@MehrumesDagon]

Mirror, Mirror is not the first TOS episode to dab into multiverse - before it, there was episode I forgot the name of, that deals with "anti-verse" - something that is to prime universe what antimatter is to matter.

[@warrenreid6109]

I surmise that all of the realities are like waves. Sometime they intersect temporary then go their on their own. People who can't understand that is stuck in 3D thinking.

[@GoldenLion137]

I always felt that from Enterprise on was a different time line or universe. Right in the first episode they rewrote how the UFP meet the Klingons. So different universe. And the JJ Verse is also a different universe. And possibly Discovery and Strange New Worlds is from that continuity- which explains the completely different user interface and layout of the ships. Definitely not the same time line as the Original Series. Could also explain why the stories drifted away from social political themes to a human drama TV show. Simpler idea for a simpler audience?

[@ThePezzy12345]

Bounced on people's laps? I guess medical ethics are different in the Golden Era of Trek.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

Mirror mirror on the bulkhead who's the best trek averse of them all?

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

The episode The Alternative Factor is the first time we see another universe coexisting with our own Lore, not Mirror Mirror. The idea that we create new universes by making decisions, as explained in Parallels, is not what science teaches today.

[@tim2024-df5fu]

So there's a universe where Worf is a merry man?

[@BeyondtheRailz]

Family Guy, Road To The Multiverse

[@toddfraser3353]

I do wonder if the mirror universe is actually the prime universe. As in City at the edge of forever. Not going on a date with Kirk would mean Edith wouldn't be hit by a car, thus create an evil universe.

[@MichaelRainey]

That's a good split point for a mirror universe. Another one is In A Mirror Darkly and First Contact. During the movie, Cochrane states outright he built the ship for financial gain. In the Enterprise mirror universe episode's opening credits, we watch warlord Cochrane shoot the Vulcan in the face and storm his ship during first contact. We can surmise that was the original timeline and the events of First Contact and meeting the crew from the future altered the timeline.

[@miker4016]

⁠@@MichaelRaineyI like this theory. Picard and crew spend a good amount of time telling Cochrane and Lily how great the future will be IF he makes the warp flight and makes first contact. These people were desperate and coming out of a third world war. They had nothing to be optimistic about and would definitely mug some aliens for personal gain until they heard about this utopian future where they have statues and schools named after them.

[@silversonic1]

Wesley WAY oversimplified everything. After all, the "Prime" universe/timeline, while defined by the actions we see on screen, isn't necessarily the same universe at any given time. After all, you have episodes like Parallels where Worf originally comes home to a surprise party, but because of his multiverse hopping and how he returns, he winds up back before returning to the Enterprise and Troi cancels the party to spare Worf additional stress. The universe was changed. It may be minor, but is it really the same universe after as it was before? And that's not to mention that the universe where Harry and Chakotay sent a message to the past to save Voyager still exists. Not timeline. Universe. It still exists. It has to. Otherwise the message could never exist to save Voyager. The message from Harry to Harry wouldn't exist. Admiral Janeway wouldn't have been able to cripple the Borg. The act of traveling through time is a decision that would create new quantum realities. And because you have two universes so tightly woven together, such as the "Prime" and Mirror universes, the Mirror CAN AND WILL BE AFFECTED by these same quantum realities, making matching Mirror Universes to go along with them. Long story slightly longer, time travel affects the multiverse and you don't always return the the universe you came from.

[@jimwu8532]

Having a multiverse is a fun idea, but obviously it's a lot to deal with so we get to watch mostly events in one universe, otherwise it'd be too confusing to watch. Imagine a season of 12 episodes, 10 of which were from different universes? What are we even watching then? Star Trek 1h shorts?

[@TheRealSpiderMew]

Its hypertime, not supertime.

[@DonRice]

I'll take I.D.I.C for 500, Alex.

[@chillysauceprophecii]

I'll start to give up on Star Trek if or when they do a show or movie timeline when they battle the X-men, which will be twice the work on Patrick Steward.

[@garyobrian3597]

100 billion stars in the Star Trek galaxy and the creator's want to explore next door 🤔

[@dawall3732]

Star Trek has always had magic and supernatural entities in it, as well as Dr. Who style technology. It even has Gods as well as ascended beings.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

I have never been a fan of the multiverse in storytelling. Often times it feels like a lazy way to introduce stakes without affecting the status quo while the consequences are completely swept under the rug. "Oh no, important character #4893 has been killed! Whatever shall we do? Oh wait, it's actually #4893 from a parallel reality, all is well.", nevermind that the character did die and there's a reality out there that needs to live without him now. It somehow manages to feel cheap and completely psychotic at the same time. Edit, Case in point: The Episode Parallels killed LaForge and blew up that array purely for shock value.

[@Paleorunner2]

They just need to do a Doctor Who cross over to put this to bed.

[@alextrusk1986]

A universe where Wesley did not exist. Is a reality really that lucky

[@Redeemer115]

So this means every trek game is now canon?

[@tedski69]

There have been rumours of a Trek/Who crossover for years however, current Who has been awful for a few seasons now so I hope it's not done.

[@sheltonfuller2774]

That's why I stick with Stargate not more simple and a lot more easy knew the bad guys are and could be

[@shanemcguire5347]

Technically all Syfy is fantasy weather at Star Trek or Star wars it's all fantasy we tend to separate those two is just science fiction and then science fantasy because of the science aspects of star trek and the pseudo religiousness of Star wars but honestly it's all science fiction fantasy mixed with the other elements

[@alexwilcox4075]

Don't shame Troi for bouncing on laps. We need more women to embrace it!

[@JohnNathanShopper]

Bro

[@LoreReloaded]

Bruh

[@Calowman2011]

I like to believe Game of Thrones season 8 was an alternate universe and in the real universe Dany and Jon rule the Seven Kingdoms together and all the dragons are still alive.

[@mytube650]

First

[@concernednewfie]

And to some extent, it also ruined everything. But then, I do not like resets that change everything, then the lazy writers throw a multiverse tag on their sub-par work to explain their mistaken logic.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Yeah, the trouble once you introduce an infinite multi-verse, it sort of eliminates any drama... Because if anything bad happens, you can just think that there's another reality where everything worked out great!

[@TRoller927]

This is the problem for modern entertainment writing. Multiverse is a lazy way out of the emotion of killing off key characters. Wolverine is dead? No he's not. Tasha Yar is dead? No she's not. And when they are able to travel in between universes, what's the difference?

[@michaelmurphy748]

I have never really like the idea of a multi-verse being generated by decisions. What decisions generate a new multi-verse? Does my cat running down the hall at 2am create millions of multi-verses since many things can happen in the 2 seconds of time he is racing down the hall? What about me typing this comment, are there hundreds of thousands, if not billions, of multi-verses based on how/what I type?

[@MyValki]

Voyager was the series I grew up with... I think the same team would have done better job going in the dr Who direction. Also IMHO they would have beaten it. Dr Who is iconic but I'd rather re-watch the worst Voyager season than a random Who season. Though a certain doctor/actor would make a 'fantastic' replacement of Chakotay.

[@mattatobin]

The ONLY REASON parallels is not irredeemable for it's bullshit and devaluing the experience and story up till then and ever since especially these days with the rise of multiverseral franchises.. Is Epic Beard Riker.. So stop clowning around or trying to justify bad writing and bad ideas.. Even in the midst of them.. Epic Beard Riker can emerge!