How Tails could be Sonic's Greatest Enemy

[@Narnes64]

It’s kinda interesting how Nine and Kit, despite both being opposites of Tails, are both opposites of each other. Kit is consumed by insecurities believing that if he isn’t with Surge then he was no reason to exist and Nine is Tails without those insecurities (well less of them)

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Not just that Kit believing he has no reason to exist without Surge, but was willing to throw himself in harm's way if it meant being helpful to someone, regardless of his own physical or emotional wellbeing. Nine seems like someone who would refuse to "support" someone, instead rather doing things on his own, not needing anyone.

[@overcomplicatedbr8219]

Yeah, like Tails's faults amplified turns him into Kit and Tails's faults taken away turns him into Nine.

[@insertnamehere1398]

nine is fulll of himself and hates everyone else overr it. and kit hates himself and hates people because he thinks they're lying about liking him, but both stem from harsh learning enviornments and trust issues

[@iamthemouse4483]

Basically, Nine is Tails' opposite, while Kit is his contra-positive

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Ah yess

[@silveryuno]

I say this before and I will say it again... Seeing Nine in Sonic Prime made me realize why Eggman is happy Tails only ever follows Sonic around. "Wasting his potential", in Eggman's own words. The Doctor would not be able to handle Sonic and Nine taking turns fighting him.

[@kyotanaka920]

Tails was always extremely smart. Should be no surprise the egghead's afraid of him since in SA2, the thought of Sonic dying made Tails try to murder his ass on a mech equal to Eggman's, likely made in a cave using scraps. Nines is just Tails if they actually went through with Tails' "losing his mind" bit in Sonic Forces.

[@StevenJones851]

​@@kyotanaka920i like this analysis

[@Scorchlette]

@@kyotanaka920 "likely made in a cave using scraps." something something something iron man 1

[@jurassictay1235]

Tails Can fight his own battles to like In Sonic Adventure 1, he took eggman on alone and won

[@simmertoddler1632]

​@@jurassictay1235 yeah but he's still less of a threat than he could be

[@overcomplicatedbr8219]

Nine and Shadow were definitely the best part.

[@sarahhenry3607]

Knuckles sucker punching Nine was the best

[@SkippytWalrus]

I'm still mad that Rouge wasn't utilized like tails was. Nine is great and I wouldn't take away from him, but come on. Sonic's best friend is the major antagonist in the later half of the show but they can't give the "Sonic counterpart" Shadow a single scene with his best friend?

[@Tails-The-Smartguy]

Shadow barley had a role in the show.

[@lightyearpig12]

Tails: There's a difference between you and me, Nine. We both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back, you blinked.

[@johnnygyro2295]

I get the reference, but shouldn't Tails be the one speaking to Nine?

[@lightyearpig12]

@@johnnygyro2295 Thank you for pointing that out.

[@johnnygyro2295]

@@lightyearpig12 You're good.

[@dexteradams6515]

Tails never looked into the abyss. He was too busy watching Sonic.

[@vi6ddarkking]

I still love the line from Scourge To Archie Sonic. "All it would take is one really bad day. And you'd be. Just. Like. Me."

[@ToaArcan]

Eh, I don't think it really lands when Archie's Sonic has worse days than Scourge ever had throughout pretty much his entire life. Like the time he was framed for murdering his own girlfriend. Or the time he was turned into a robot and burned his home down, and then had to go and find the guy that captured him because everyone thought he did it on purpose. Or the time he had to sacrifice himself to save the world, got yote across the galaxy, and by the time he came back a whole year had passed and everything had gone to shit. Hell, like three days after Scourge gave that speech, Eggman nuked Knothole and tried to turn everyone in it into biofuel, and gave Charmy permanent brain damage. It's not like Sonic lives in the land of milk and honey.

[@vi6ddarkking]

@@ToaArcan Oh but it lands. Especially after Sonic had a flash back to tha very conversation right after Antoine got blasted into a coma. It was part of Sonic's character development at the time. The fact that he refused to fall to the dark side, neither by rage nor by despair.

[@darkhorse744]

Didn't Sonic almost immediately counter him and call him out.

[@vi6ddarkking]

@@darkhorse744 He did. But it would be quite a few issues before Sonic's bravado was truly put to the test.

[@darkhorse744]

@@vi6ddarkking Kk, thanks.

[@aaronimp4966]

Nine's first confrontation with Sonic was the first thing I saw from this show, and it instantly got me hooked. I immediately understood who he was, what made him tick, eith the line, "how did you know about that? Also, that didn't happen." I was so thrilled to see that the writers understood Tails so well that they could perfectly execute a flawlessly mirrored "what-if" of him wherein you could see exactly what made them both tick, what made them alike, and what few things made them radically different. It's the kind of grasp of character that I want so desperately craving in this show. I probably won't get to watch the second two seasons. But what they did with most of the elements of season 1 is exactly what I would have asked of a modern Sonic TV show.

[@LuisRPG8]

I've been replaying Sonic Chronicles and I really love how Tails is written there, it really shows a bit of that Tails without Sonic but as a good guy. At the start of the game, Sonic left to explore the world by himself after Eggman's most recent defeat, Tails stayed home and sort of grew up a bit, helping others when needed and getting to be the one that gets stuff done, GUN even sought out his help by the start of the game. He guides you trough most of the earlygame as he brings Sonic up to speed on what happened in his absence, you'd think it stops there but even after he joins the party and trought preety much the whole game, he's still for the most part the one who comes up with plans and solutions, he makes important devices on short notice if not on the fly, his Power Moves involve all kinds of devices that aid the Party. At one point the Party has to split into two to play out a plan to take down the bad guys, the first is led by Sonic and the other by Tails, he ends up making technology that counters the antagonists' tech, something he did doubt he'd be able to at the start of the game. Btw he is also actually capable of repairing Omega in this game, y'know, if that means anything. Wonder how that specific Tails would interact with Nine

[@misterzygarde6431]

I would be down to see Nine throw down with Secret History Tails. Like one’s a version of Tails without Sonic while the other is murderously obsessed with Sonic.

[@SilverSaiyanAce]

I feel like one of them would easily manipulate the other and betray them ending things really quickly. I don't know which one it would be but I don't think the actual fighting part would be as entertaining as the actual character dynamics

[@Shades-the-mouse]

That is a odd yet good fight I would love to see

[@PlebNC]

Secret History Tails would win because what are friends for.

[@SuperWorldJumper]

@@PlebNCS.H. Tails: “What are friends for?” Nine: “NOBODY has friends here. We’re ALL on our own.”

[@pindowthegreat]

If that version of Amy was able to kill him that easily, nine would have absolutely no problem with him.

[@Ozymandias2x]

The third season weirded me out. They had tons of time to explore the various consequences of the situation, and instead they filled it with repetitive fight scenes wherein pretty much nothing is accomplished. And then the final episode felt like they ran out of time.

[@Birdsflight44]

Its like the writers gave them two episodes, went out for milk, and left the fight choreographers with the ENTIRE SEASON

[@sumnahlennon5449]

So the Final Episode was intentional according to the writer. To say "Sonic is always on an adventure." Everything is a cliffhanger

[@Ozymandias2x]

@@sumnahlennon5449 That literally doesn't address any of the many issues I had with it.

[@Graphomite]

@@sumnahlennon5449 That's an excuse. Having a happy ending and loose ends leaves a story that doesn't manage to be realistic or satisfying.

[@sarahhenry3607]

I wanted to start a drinking game for every time I saw Nine growl and say "I must have Sonics power!"

[@Solesteam]

Nine nearly beat Sonic *_on his first try..._* He didn't even know Sonic very well... His potential as an antagonist was far beyond any (canonical?) Eggman...

[@DipperPines1986]

Sonic didn't fight him at full strength

[@TIWANDUB]

​@@DipperPines1986 same for Nine

[@TIWANDUB]

Nine is a great character ❤

[@Game_Hero]

SaTAm Robotnik : allow me to introduce myself as I pluck you one feather at at time before roboticizing you.

[@TIWANDUB]

@@Game_Hero Nine : hold my metal tails

[@B-Dawgg]

Rouge wasn't the stand in for Sally. That random, NPC freedom fighter who suddenly got a speaking role to call out Sonic, only to be silenced by Dr Deep with "who are you?" - that was Sally.

[@portobeIIa]

Indeed, and im gonna need some context for that character, because "funny background character has a personality? Whhat?" Is not enough!! I hate her! What the hell was that? She feels like one of the writers had a kid that wanted to voice act for prime reaaaally bad so they just threw in a random literal npc to have some voice lines. It's not like shes the very needed voice of the New Yoke citizens/the rest of the resistance as well, i feel like that's what she was supposed to be in writing but it just got so fumbled.

[@darkhorse744]

@@portobeIIa Nah, pretty sure she was getting the "Who are you" treatment for a lot of the series. P sure she's a joke character.

[@extremmefan7305]

@@portobeIIa So, uh, you're kinda not off, only it's not a kid, it's (apparently?) a famous YTer. Small difference. :P

[@TwiliPaladin]

​@extremmefan7305 Oh hey Extrem. Wasn't expecting to find you here.

[@extremmefan7305]

@@TwiliPaladin sup twilight

[@-KORAL_ZERO]

I've always thought Tails could beat Sonic if he tried. People will act like he's useless or that he's weak. Did we all forget this man made A WHOLE CHAOS EMERALD?? He could probably make a super emerald if he wanted to (Which would be a nice way to make hyper sonic come back, I might use this for a game idea.)

[@aaronimp4966]

Technically not what he did; it has the same wavelength and properties, but less power.. but your point still stands.

[@StevenJones851]

Nine is Tails Full Potential Unleashed

[@random_me666]

Sonic.EXE Spirits Of Hell Part 3 FINAL ROUND. Tails and Eggman create super emeralds for Shadow to clash head on to Super Exterior.

[@Kingofshadows9876]

@@aaronimp4966if he made one, he could make more. He could theoretically achieve the energy necessary to go hyper if he used like dozens of these fake emeralds.

[@aaronimp4966]

@@Kingofshadows9876 Correct. If I were making the games, I would say he probably needs nine fake Chaos Emeralds for super, 27 for hyper, but ultimately it's Sega's call how many you need. That said, I get the idea that making a fake Chaos Emerald takes lots of time and possibly some expensive resources, because to my knowledge he only ever made one. Edit: missing info.

[@Crow_Rising]

I like the idea of Nine sticking around as a sort of Anti-hero character. He's not outright evil, he does have well meaning intentions, he's just misguided. I can imagine him forming a sort of pseudo alliance with the main group in that while he mostly prefers to go his own way and do his own thing, he doesn't actively try to undermine them and they don't actively try to get in his way either. His presence could be an interesting way of Tails learning to keep himself in check, slowly growing to be more independent but not allowing himself to go so far with it as to end up like Nine. I feel like Tails and Nine parallel each other in that they have the same thing holding them back; themselves. While this is touched up on in the video regarding Tails, I'm convinced it's true for Nine as well, just for a different reason. With Tails, his friendly personality and reliance on others are what hold him back from his full potential. With Nine, he's held back from his full potential by his own solitary nature and hubris. He's more dangerous than Tails, but every bit as inept at achieving great things due to him taking it too far and lashing out against others. Tails at his absolute peak would therefore probably be somewhere in the middle between the two. Temper his hubris with his strong bonds to others, but without preventing him from standing on his own two feet. He does need to be more independent, just without taking it so far as to push others away and ending up alone. Being able to take care of yourself and make your own decisions doesn't mean you can't have strong bonds with others, and that I think is the biggest lesson Sonic's been trying to teach Tails for all the time he's known him.

[@nicholassgobero]

So The Peak Tails would be what Frontiers sets him up to do?

[@SoulHero7]

@@nicholassgobero If Frontiers follows through on Tails actually learning to stand on his own as his own consistent hero, then that would be the perfect redemption of his character.

[@wildmonkeycar]

Nine was easily the highlight of Sonic Prime. Jeez, imagine if Sega loosened up on the reins a bit to let us have a game where Tails becomes the antagonist like this, and it leads Sonic on a really emotional journey that ends with him having to make a really tough decision Ah, but Sonic is a kid's franchise, we can't have anything deeper than "the power of friendship beats all"

[@murilo_the_lilo9947]

We really can. People just need to realise kids arent just dumb little gremlins (sometimes)

[@gtcproductions4097]

Nine’s redemption felt extremely hollow

[@Birdsflight44]

Yeah, I mean, it kinda had to happen that way in terms of order of events with them restoring the worlds, but Nine was a perfect analog for how a lack of faith in others is a road to self harm. He was literally at the point where he was about to crack and choose mutually assured destruction, just to be right and show that he couldn't trust others, instead of just letting anyone in. They just bungled a perfectly good and palatable "Don't commit Game Over" message for kids. And after they spent a literal entire season with that being the entire conflict. Such a whimper of an ending

[@thestargirl8660]

I feel like a batter redemption for Nine would of have him be the one to save Sonic from the council like a sacrifice for Sonic life because, remeber there was line when Sonic was asked how can he stop the shattered worlds getting destoryed he said " Only Nine can fix this " . Which that is why I originally thought that Nine was going to die in some way to save Sonic to redeem his character and what I hated about the ending is that they made Nine such a great character and they have to make him the final boss. Which in my opinion was bad take because why would the writers push a character when we are trying to find some common sense with him, like I hate that people think Nine is evil because he is but that not true because he's been through a lot and all he wanted was a place for him to live peacefully because of everything he's gone through. It saddenes me that while everyone else got there happy ending but Nine didn't get his ? like from this point Nine should've got a happy ending , cause that was his goal to have a happy ending for him. 😭 Anyways but yeah I wish there was a way to time travel to fix season 3 dumb writing to fix somethings that shouldve made this season memorable.

[@radwolf76]

"Shouldn't they just call him 'Heads'?" NO! Dear Lord NO! Do not give that kind of ammunition to this fandom.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

so... no Heads?

[@CptJistuce]

His name is Kilometers Prower. Nine is a nickname.

[@h.k982]

Yeah, don't give heads to the fandom,

[@KazShiro]

Oh hell no anything but that.

[@murilo_the_lilo9947]

​@@CptJistuceMiles 'tails' Prower when Kilometers 'heads' Porsecon walks in:

[@SenpaiYGO]

I’ve heard that fans didn’t receive Sonic Prime very well. The way I see it, it’s because there are differing factions within The Sonic Community which of course leads to differing opinions. That said, if you ask me, Prime is the greatest thing to happen to Sonic since the live action films. The storytelling done here as well as the opportunity for character arcs and developments are things the games haven’t quite been able to do as effectively since the early days. The way they turned Tails (Nine) into the big bad was truly based on character. Who he is versus who Sonic initially wanted him to be. Coming to an understanding, the both of them come to know each other just as well as Sonic & Tails do. But through that, Sonic is able to better understand and even value Tails. Of course along the way, much the same can be said for the differing versions of the rest of his friends. But this was at its strongest between these two. If you ask me.. more Prime please! Oh and.. Cheers to you Mr.Apologist. Hope all is well! Same to the community too! - Ren Senpai

[@titanic_monarch796]

As far as I'm aware the reception at least that of I've seen is that it's kind of bland in terms of writing and story. But yes, it's way more of an actual game universe adaptation than it's prior sonic adaptations

[@overcomplicatedbr8219]

Although the "I am real" line hit so hard.

[@ligtningdog6399]

While it's true that the Sonic fandom is very, very fractured, the main reason why people didn't take to Prime was that is was too safe and simple for a multiverse story. It's literally just having the main cast but in generic costumes. Knuckles but he's a pirate. Amy but she's a jungle savage. Tails but from a dystopian future.

[@Soufriere84]

@@ligtningdog6399 That isn't an incorrect criticism, and I do think the world-building could/should have been handled better, but I strongly believe the show's pros outweigh the cons. Though Pirate-Knux is kind of, "Why?"

[@SonicSwift99]

The first two seasons were received pretty well but this third season is commonly agreed to be a let down.

[@plaguemockter7235]

Ian Flynn and Evan Stanley must have real sore backs from CARRYING this series right now

[@sonic5993]

But they weren't involved with the show

[@thegrouchization]

@@sonic5993 I think by "this series" they are referring to the Sonic franchise overall.

[@unknownmxn7683]

​@ZoomerStasiyou really need to shut up for your own good

[@sonic5993]

@ZoomerStasi ok

[@Frank-zb7zh]

Maybe for the regular fans, but the movies are what keeps this series in the eyes of the general audiences.

[@ObaREX]

Nine was for real my favorite character in Prime (other than Shadow, of course). Just the way he used his genius to buff his already unique traits, his development with Sonic, and the way he was steadily built up through the series kept me invested. I do find the resolution to his character (and these series) to have been rather... Lack luster. But that only makes me wanna see him return even more.

[@SuperWorldJumper]

I’m curious, why “of course”? I liked Shadow too, but Nine was the standout to me. Why then was Shadow the most popular for some people?

[@Birdsflight44]

​@@SuperWorldJumper Because Shadow so rarely gets appearances that allow him to be dour but not a total asshole edgelord. They treated him pretty well here, for once! He was pretty aggressive at first, but he was angry because Sonic had damaged the universe by being careless in a way that Shadow regularly reprimands him for. But he was consistently helpful, often supportive and dropped a lot of his 2000's one liners. Total fan service.

[@ObaREX]

@@SuperWorldJumper More of an inside thing. Shadow has been one of my favorite characters ever and the way he was handled in the show was near perfect other than him being sidelined most of the time. While Nine felt like the character with the most depth in the entire show which only makes the lack of pay off for his character more painful.

[@Great_Getter]

​@Bird-wz7nx it annoys me that Shadow never shoulders any blame for the prism breaking. His refusal to explain himself and just acting like an arrogant prick helped cause the whole problem

[@samiai8905]

I really wonder what happened behind the scenes bc I expected better from Man of Action. It looked like to me that Nine would’ve eventually went after Sails, Mangey, and OG Tails himself and gotten resolution there. It just feels like executive meddling I so hope we see more of this universe and the voice actors. Devan Mack was just AMAZING!

[@extremmefan7305]

Yea, I was hoping there would be more to the potential confrontation of Nine and Sails+Mangey than just Nine ordering them dead out of feeling like he's the "only me" and them managing to avoid an explosion only to end up manipulating the Grim Big from behind the scenes later. And the "prime" universe characters in general were just, ENTIRELY left behind. I watched to the end, hoping that maybe one of "ghosts" would eventually become "real" through sheer willpower, but that never happened and they were just flashback fodder. I'd LIVE for an interaction between Nine and og Tails.

[@calliesayshai]

They ended the show with the line, “Gotta go Fast!” I’m still taking lingering psychic damage.

[@JustaRandomDunce]

I think nine was actually inspired from a fan made webcomic. Its called "where was my hero" and fair warning, it does have gore. But its close to the same story nine went through. At the end, tails even gets NINE TAILS. seven of them robotic. THIS WAS RELEASED _BEFORE_ SONIC PRIME. It was just so surprising when I saw nine for the first time. You should read it, unless you don't like gore, that is.

[@Dj_Dedf1sh117]

Yes i know that story and yeah i agree that nine is very similar to that version of tails

[@420jw]

WAIT IS THAT THE ONE WHERE TAILS KILLS IVO?

[@superrupee]

That's what I was thinking, that comic had me nearly crying by the end

[@JomaXZ]

I think this is more for budget reasons than "bad writing", but I WISH Nine showed more creativity in the final battle. We could have seen stuff like more original designs for the robots, not derivative ones ALL based on Chaos Sonic, and... Okay, this IS because of bad writing, more unique battle strategies than just sucking energy from the Paradox Prism when the robots got low on HP. CONSTANTLY. I like Nine as a character and a concept, but how he was ultimately handled left me (and seemingly a lot of us who watched Prime) just whelmed.

[@jamainegardner4193]

Nine made me realize that if Tails was found by Eggman first he would've won in Sonic 3.

[@i-dont-burn-under-the-sun]

Netflix ignoring consultants. Story old as time. (And when they do, One Piece level of success happens, shocking I'd say!) I didn't notice how few episodes of SatAM were actually made, puts everything in perspective.

[@mariocervantez2853]

Also nine is definitely my favorite character in the entire show.

[@BDeerhead]

If you had an evil version of Tails named Heads, he would be a Hydra rather than a Kitsune.

[@GamingWarlord64]

Honestly sonic prime was really good. Not S Rank but I'll give it a solid B close to A

[@Tetra_76]

Prime has its issues, but Nine instantly became my favorite character in the franchise. He's got a lot of potential, and I really, really hope they bring him back eventually. There's a lot more to do with him.

[@EditDeath]

May as well also add that the Grim is such a reflection of Nine that it reflects in Sonic's world-based powers. Sonic throws up literal walls, whereas Nine puts up metaphorical walls in his insecurity. It's also interesting how Nine winds up opposite to the Amys by the climax of the fight. They treat each other like sisters, but Nine can't stand the idea of not being unique

[@greensoda123]

I never thought I would hear the Game Apologist talk about Rick and Morty but I am happy you did.

[@jarPlays11]

The idea of tails being evil is so interesting

[@YourUncleBenis]

I feel like Nine's character arc would've hit better if they didn't have him reform at the end. Idk, just feels like his concept was way better than execution. Though if you're curious about how the Shatterspaces work, I did make some theories in a Tumblr post that I'll link in a reply to make sure KZbin doesn't lose this comment in the spam filters. Basically, I think they aren't a traditional multiverse setup, and how they MIGHT work explains a lot of writing oddities about the show(like always referring to their world as Green Hill). Feel free to steal its content for a video, cause I ain't making a Prime video anytime soon.

[@daniellclary]

I always thought Tails could go far beyond Eggman in tech power if he got the resources together. Nine was a great demonstration of that. And I'm just ecstatic that a show actually gave the fox some screen time, and made stand up on his own. Also liked how Sonic actually had to need help, making other characters useful. So many other shows or games, other characters are useless, and Sonic just does everything easily. But yeah, the final battle I was wondering why are they fighting? They all want the same exact thing! Nine wants to stabilize the shatter space, and he is the only one that can do it. Instead of working with him, they fought against Nine, and end up doing the thing Nine wanted to do anyway. And then gaslight Nine into thinking he was wrong somehow.

[@sonic5993]

Glad someone finally appreciates something about this show.

[@dougbriglmen716]

The thing is, nine is not evil, troubled, and an antagonist for a brief period of time, but not evil.

[@amusicdude5564]

"I'm Miles Prower. But YOU can call me Nine" "Our friend is in dang-" "YOUR friend" Miles the Prowler

[@hattoripool1533]

I would pay to see a interaction with Nines and the multiple different versions of Tails throughout different Sonic continuities like the Games, comics and even cartoons (other then Sonic Prime)

[@Netherwolf6100]

This is something I've wanted since Archie teased Sonic vs Tails during the Acorn Kingdom coup d'etat. Tails as Sonic's villain would be perfect as, I've always said, Tails is by far the character with the most potential to surpass everyone in the series, only held back by his desire to help, rather than lead. He's as smart as Eggman, fast as Sonic, determined as Knuckles and capable as Shadow. If he were a true enemy to Sonic, it would be a seriously hard fought fight for sure and its something I truly wanted. The series does a good job kinda teasing at the idea, but it never goes all the way and that's the part that left me underwhelmed. I wanted there to be a way to bring in the Chaos Emeralds, maybe Sonic ends up at the bottom of the Void and finds them there. He'd use their powers to to Super and battle a Prismatic Tails in the empty space of the Shatterverse with their clash ultimately bringing about the near destruction of all their worlds before things are fixed. It is a shame that everything was undone and its a case of "it never happened" with only Sonic and Shadow remembering events, kinda like how Sonic is the only one to remember the events of 06 (Or at least its hinted that's the case) but hopefully, maybe some day Sega will let off the reigns a bit and allow writers to tell more captivating stories with Sonic and his friends again, like back during the Adventure Era, and learn to stop playing it so safe. I know they're still afraid of Penders and Takashi is such an ego-driven doofus that hard changes and advances for the Sonic series but God damnit, I really want character driven stories again and Frontiers was such a breath of fresh air in that department.

[@KittyKatty999]

We *NEED* more Nine in this franchise! If freaking *ZAOVK* can keep coming back, even in the comics, then so can an actually interesting and cool character like Nine!

[@richardsphd]

Call me crazy, but once the finale hit and I saw them, I realized I really missed Orbot and Cubot. I genuinely would have preffered if Mr. Dr. Eggman was the only Eggman, and the "comedy" provided by the council was left up to Orbot and Cubot. At least then they would've been forced to write more than one bad joke

[@greenstarlover1]

Yeah, I forgot they were even IN ths show.

[@TyshaggyGaming]

I wonder how many people still don't realise Nine is just a toned down official version of an old fan au called "Where was my hero"

[@Z-fighter126]

Do you know how badass it would be if Nine and Scourge teamed up? The Sonic verse would not stand a chance.

[@jeremy1860]

For all its flaws, Prime definitely earned its place as a worthy Sonic show purely on the idea of having an antagonistic Tails. Taking one of the nicest, friendliest characters of the series and having them turn bad without it being some sort of ploy by some other villain is a pretty gutsy move, especially given how strict Sega can be when it comes to how these characters are portrayed 😊

[@zeehero7280]

Remember Tails is just as smart as Eggman. he''s just also a kid.

[@ConekillerConfuzor]

Appreciate you finding positives in this show. I k lw ots not what everyone wanted ot to be, but I found myself quite entertained more often than not with it. Nine was clearly a highlight.

[@Cybersomnia]

I know a lot of people hate Nine, but he's honestly crazy and shows a side of Tails that is genuinley dangerous and capable of seriously rivaling Eggman just by himself

[@BmanXY]

once again, i watched this show for 9. I'm only ever entertained when he's on screen

[@lordx8844]

I really love shadow's voice actor in prime

[@Birdsflight44]

If felt like a movie that just kept going and going. But if pacing was a Sonic property's ONE true flaw, then that's actually really good. Pretty harmless show, all in all.

[@beatziegraham6928]

This just reminds me that we could’ve had a cool Tails boss fight in Sonic Colors and Sonic Lost World when Tails was controlled but nope.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

the writers truly fumbled the bag there, i'm 100% sure the dev team had no involvement in the story whatsoever, but man would it have been so cool to see...

[@jlev1028]

​@@kendraroth1276You're thinking too hard. Remember, those scenes were written by Pontac & Graff who don't care one shit about storytelling in Sonic games.

[@kendraroth1276]

@@jlev1028 There’s a full on analysis of this on Tumblr. But the gist is that, every time he believes Tails got brainwashed, Sonic began breaking down. In Sonic Prime, Nine was the only one who Sonic forgave for murder and throughout the Shatterverse, The Tails Variants were always the first ones that Sonic wanted to meet and get help from. Sonic also has more memories involving Tails, than anyone else. In Frontiers, when Tails declared that wanted to be away from Sonic for longer, Sonic only reluctantly accepted it because he didn’t want to say goodbye but also didn’t want to upset Tails. Sonic is also implied to have been thinking of Classic Sonic, when he was talking to Tails about growing up. After his Flanderization, Sonic began depending on Tails’s intellect more frequently. (Which if I remember correctly, is part of why he lost in the beginning of Forces. )

[@oscarkambouris2212]

Tails and Kit VS Nine would be sick as all hell

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

The alternate universes should have merged into the same universe and the alternate versions of the characters should have merged too. Nobody should have any knowledge or recollection of the events except for Sonic and Shadow since they were never split like the rest. The Egg Council should have disappeared too after returning to regular Eggman. If Green Hill became shattered and everyone was resorted to becoming ghosts of their former selves, then returning the crystal should have fixed all of that. Nine and the others should cease to exist but Sonic would somehow see part of Nine in Tails afterwards. If Sonic had to learn any lesson from this it's to appreciate and listen to his friends more instead of running off without thinking. Meeting Nine should teach Sonic to treat Tails better. Same goes for Amy, Knuckles, ect. I am dang sure that was the original plan and Sega or Netflix probably said no because it's meant for kids and they probably wanted to keep selling toys. That also explains the cliffhanger ending even though it's pretty much over despite leaving things open.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

@@kendraroth1276 He had to return to Green Hill where the others were kept in limbo which is also where the crystal ended up again. that should have been a reset especially after Sonic somehow went back to a few seconds before the shatter and prevented it all from happening.

[@portobeIIa]

I agree. I feel like in these "time travel paradox/accidentally creating a multiverse" stories there are no stakes if your original verse can coexist with the others you made, and then there is no lesson to learn if you dont have to grapple with the fact that youll destroy these versions of people to bring bad the balance. It's not about morality or killing these alternate versions, its about creating an impactful story with fictional people to teach real people the lesson the main character learns. In concept? Great for a show. In practice, you have to anticipate corporate meddling with such a morally gray genre being applied to a KIDS show. I dont know ehat any of the creators were smoking when they thought that potentialy killing the entire cast of sonic would fly for a kids show lol. Lile there MUST have been other ways of making new skins for sonic speed simulator and other toys.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

@@portobeIIa There is tension when you have characters dying or close to death or threatened with no longer existing. Sonic's sacrifice, Nine wanting things to stay the same instead of potentially being replaced with a version of himself that he hated, ect. There were stakes.

[@97spartan]

I genuinely believe the whole series was testing whether or not they could work with the potential these characters have without losing what people come here for, every character they featured in their different iterations was playing with different aspects they could have Like even if they don’t ever bring back Nine, mangey and Sails this show was testing whether or not they could give those characteristics to him without losing him in it and I believe they did so successfully >basically Sonic prime was asking can we play with Tails intellect, his methods and his personality without losing Tails?

[@SmokeTheHorsehog]

The first thing I saw in Nine, and still see in him now that Sonic Prime is over, was a comparison between him and a fanmade version of Tails built on the same basis as Nine: Miles from Where Was My Hero? In that version, Miles was just as isolated as Nine, but he still held onto hope that everything could be okay. Even after his bullies destroyed Miles's twin tails, he still tried to stay positive and even found family in a Flicky he found... Until like that of Lucy in Elfen Lied, they slaughtered the poor bird for kicks. And that is what causes Miles to snap, murdering the bullies in cold blood, and turning him into an even more heinous antagonist than Nine would be allowed to be shown as. But even then, after his fight with his Sonic, he loses, not because he eventually let up, but because he let himself lose and rid himself of the apocalypse he had caused.

[@SuperLuis225]

I find it interesting that without sonic, tails became the "quiet kid" at school

[@wakeangel2001]

I always figured that if Tails didn't have Sonic he'd wind up conquering the world. Frankly I think Boom Tails showed this potential more than Kit or Miles. In Sonic Boom Tails worked for Eggman in the universe where Sonic didn't exist, and regular tails made inventions like his mind control robot that tried to conquer the world itself and even put organic brains into robotic duplicates of himself and his friends (and no matter what I think of there isn't a non messed up way to do that.)

[@awesomezaucegames8826]

I thnk the biggest gripe i have with prime is that instead of being creative and pushing the characters multivers counterparts into interesting directions along the same lines as Nine (basically being Tails without sonic and without doubts). instead of 'theme of the week'. (I think a Knuckles who hoards all of the chaos emeralds and master emerald could be an interestinig idea. Hoarder of the Master Emerald. something like that)

[@Bofrab]

I personally love what if stories. It’s always fun for me whenever we see characters if their lives went in different directions. I know Marvel has quite a bit of them, but the main example I think of is Dragon Ball. Stuff like “What if Cell absorbed Krillen accidently?” “What if Frieza got to earth, but then met Devilman?” “What if Goku Black fully tapped into the power of Goku’s body?” “What if Raditz didn’t die during his fight with Goku and Piccolo?” I love this stuff!

[@Davanthall]

I wouldn't have even minded the way Prime turned out as much if they had just been upfront about the fact that it's a miniseries. Feel like they implied that it was gonna be a full series.

[@Soufriere84]

I'd say 23 episodes is a full series. Honestly wish it had gotten 26-30 to flesh out some stuff that was glossed over, but still… That's almost the same number of episodes as Sonic SatAM (26) and no one denies it's a full series.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, how very interesting, i hope we get to see more of Nine at some point, Actually, how about a Sequel Show that solely focuses on the Shatterverse?

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

yes, yes, and more yesses. i'm not sure if the other characters like Cream or her mom, Silver, or any other character were to be affected by the Prism's radius, but i would love to see and explore more of those separate worlds

[@jdavis230]

They should do it. It would be a lot more interesting/engaging than just another generic sonic show with the same characters all over again

[@chaoschannel3428]

1:24 No shot Sonic Boom had 104 episodes, it felt like WAY less than that💀

[@jurassictay1235]

Nine Is not an evil Tails he doesn't have any friends to talk to and new yolk city Is a sad place nine can be good he just need a friend in need

[@pedrocastro5514]

Nines was the best character to me in that series, it would be awesome to still have him around for some other adventures, sometimes as an antagonist of sorts, sometimes as the "evil" ally that does what the heroes wouldn't, and it would be very itneresting if he were to meet the main Tails or have a sort of duel with eggman :p

[@tophatgeo]

One of my biggest issues with Nine's heel turn is that he didnt do anything interesting, he felt like just another eggman type villain, and he and sonic basically didnt get to talk beyond Sonic saying "this isbt you Nine" They had the chance for some interesting character stuff but didn't do anything with it

[@portobeIIa]

Nines in s3 absolutely TERRIFIED me. I was in anguish watching that (very padded) battle scene. But not because of the show... I just happened to watch too many of those very gory 3d my little pony animations when i was a child, crossovers with tf2 and everything. They would widen their eyes and have microscopic irises when they were about to do something gory. I think it traumatized me because whem Nine did that exact thing for the first time (and he does that a LOT) i felt a physical pit in my stomach and was subconsciously preparing myself to see nine punch someones intestines off with 144p blood everywhere. Like it really affected me, i think the animation for everyone, but specially for nine and knuckles the dread were duper uncanny in s3

[@LannyLeArtist]

The thumbnail is so pretty

[@kharijordan6426]

Oh...I thought that nine didn't want it to be fixed because he believed he would die in sense...fusing back to regular tails and basically his mind being wiped from existence. But...if everything is ok.....hmmm. I wonder if any of them will show up in games.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

I do love how the alternate characters and universes were expanded on. It made it more interesting for characters and settings that would otherwise be extremely generic no doubt because of Sega's mandates preventing any real new characters or big twists.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

what made me lose interest in this series is how the characters don't show enough emotion, you know for a fact Sonic would've punched Nine in the face after... you know... *that* scene after both Tails were blown right in front of Sonic. but that's just on me, not everything needs to be super serious, it is what it is

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL The characters tear up a little and you can hear the pain and frustration in Sonic's voice. There's plenty of emotion, way more than Frontiers, Forces, or Boom Sonic.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

@@MacUser2-il2cx guess i keep forgetting... i suppose my only wish is for SEGA to be less restrictive of their emotions and let them shine more

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL I think Sonic Team might need someone new in charge or a new director.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

@@MacUser2-il2cx not Sonic Team, from what i heard it's SEGA making Sonic characters have all these rules about "they shouldn't cry" "shadow should always be a loner" or something like that

[@vi6ddarkking]

I mean we all know as smart as Tails is. He truly was always a wrong turn from falling into the dark side. Even game Tails had he not met Sonic when he did. Miles would have become one hell of an Enemy for the Blue Blur.

[@vi6ddarkking]

@@kendraroth1276 Ther is a video no KZbin named "Where Was My Hero? - Sonic comic dub". It tackles this very scenario, down to the extra artificial tails, funnily enough. It an excellent representation that if you beat some one down, for long enough, the snap back, is not going to be pretty. Especially when we're talking about, someone as intelligent as Tails.

[@Peasham]

My favorite thing about the fanbase's.. opinions, let's call them, about Sonic Prime is people stating that Sonic here is out of character. And well, no, lmao. His character here is the exact same as meta era Sonic. Now one could say "but I dislike meta era Sonic!", and I would agree. You know who else would? The show itself, as its whole point is a critique of that Sonic! But even if you were unaware of Sonic's prior characterization and simply dislike this Sonic, the show's got ya covered too, as it makes it instantly obvious that this version of Sonic is gonna go through trials and tribulations and develop into a better person. Truly, the lack of media literacy with some grown adults is stunning lmao.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Of course Tails could be the biggest threat. He's the most broken character in almost every game he's in.

[@The-Great-Bukini]

I just finished the last season yesterday, I gotta say everything you said about it being drawn out and playing it safe is the most accurate description of this show. I think it could've benefited from 1 more season. Cause it seemed like there was a few things left to wrap up. I mean, where did Shadow take the prism and what does he plan to do with it now?

[@KingofBeasts444]

I love how rational you are about it

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

It's so weird to me how most people who watched the show seem to think any of the counterparts got underused. I thought basically all of them had their moments to shine and pretty clear arcs

[@CyberweaverVT]

1:24 TRIPLETS BORN

[@TBoneTony]

Nine being Sonic's twist villain enemy was perhaps one of the best parts of Sonic Prime, kinda lame how the final 3rd of the series stretched it out in a really pointless conclusion as even with the shards completed, there wasn't any real consequence to Sonic bringing his own original universe together. It would have given Nine a clear reason to avoid that if there was a serious consequence.

[@Soufriere84]

Honestly, I enjoyed Sonic Prime, and Nine was one of the reasons. It's another one of those "Sonic f'ked up BIG TIME and has to deal with it" stories… Unsurprisingly, I saw Ian Flynn's name in the credits in at least one early episode. As for Tails/Nine himself, he's a neat character study on what can happen to a bullying victim who got no help and is also a mechanical genius. _Yikes._ While the show isn't perfect, it's a concept that the Sonic-verse benefited from exploring.

[@SuperLuis225]

Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good, lil repetitive when they kept reminding us how we got here but they were alright... ...season 3 was as follows: Characters fight bad guys. Start losing. Sonic says "We need to fight them, TOGETHER!" they all charge. They fight the bad guys. Then repeat the process... for 6 episodes... no seriously

[@jaydenaryan2425]

I loved Sonic Prime, I don't think it was long or boring at all.

[@Jaythegoat_yt]

Bro just started cooking and roasting tails 8:10 fixing a planes and translating sperm language through leapfrog tablets? Like what?

[@2024thegoatyear]

Also sonic prime is gonna get a comic in November 2024😊

[@TronicSSJ07]

I think Nine is pretty similar to the Insomniac version of Doc Ock. A character who hates someone because they think they hold them back or prevent them from getting what they want. I wish Nine’s story ended with him losing the same way Octavious lost to Spider-Man, paralyzed on the floor, his tails rendered useless and he gets left to die by Sonic.

[@zadock6370]

I personally enjoyed the show. I also thought the idea that tails has the potential to be the strongest entity of the entire universe being pretty spot on. tails has shown to outwit eggman on several occations, so tails and theoretically be smarter than eggman but just isn't using it. when he ends up using everything he has, he could potentially be the most powerful sonic character in the main universe (excluding godlike beings)

[@theaxxorite9415]

Tails has been Sonic's enemy since the sonic 2 special stages

[@evolvingdragon1793]

Honestly I hope we see prime as a game like frontier imagine using all the power to explore each world or using the power of the world to help explore the other Edit or using them in attacks

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

sorry, it's already canon, wether you like it or not. takes place after Sonic Advance 3 ...or so they say. it's more of a marketing strategy, but you can make up your own headcanon.

[@evolvingdragon1793]

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL I get that but you can't tell me the idea isn't cool. I mean think about riding the wave in No Place like you would dunes in a dessert. Boscage maze can be more parkour focus jumping from tree to tree, grinding on roots and swinging on vines. The Grim can be combat focused since what else could you do. All while New York city gives you a more classical experience.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

@@evolvingdragon1793 man, straight up awesome

[@Kiki-w4p3u]

the best parts of season 3 was the amy's meeting and nine (the amy's meeting was adorable in my opinon)

[@ivancabrera3289]

I remember way before sonic prime was announced there was a web comic about what would happen if tails never met sonic and he looked a lot like nine but way edgier 😅 but yeah tails would be a menace as a villain

[@kingkazma3246]

Infinite should've been Nine underneath, it would've wrapped the Tails vs Sonic thing nicely as it was hinted at in Sonic Colors and Lost World!

[@Rojae-wc8xe]

What’s the this sonic song I know from Sonic Forces, but I don’t know what specific song it is

[@DipperPines1986]

I really hoped that Nine would absorb the Prism's energy to become Super and fight Sonic and co personally. It would be much cooler than a battle with an army of identical robots and Nine shooting lasers.

[@xlro8f853]

Tail’s definitely has a bright future, given Sonic never dies

[@kevinsaga3525]

Honestly I think one of the few good things about this show is how 9 is a great villain in my opinion like imagine how cool 9 would be in writers that aren't soft

[@SpiritWolfeMoon]

All I can say is, the ending made me feel upset however thank you for pointing out one of the best characters in the show.

[@riotowa]

12:57 I can already visualize it: "So no head" **proceeds to despwan**

[@leppaberry]

I almost feel like the series would have worked better as a videogame or something.

[@AshtonHenry900]

See,my season 2 comment was right!!!

[@hitbyatank]

very disappointed nine didn’t meet tails

[@171QA]

Imagine if a storyline like this was played with in the film series.

[@tori_vpg]

I genuinely liked Sonic Prime, but something that bothers me was how the ending felt so "uncomplete" in many ways, which made me wish for a new season... although I know this is not happening anytime soon, all we can do is cry and imagine a better closure for this show (I know it's not a perfect show but I loved it so much)