How Tanks Make Crushing Endgame Much Easier In Honkai Star Rail 1.0

[@xdeathz]

Another reason: shields are proactive, while healings are reactive. No matter how big of a heal your healer has, they can't save a unit with 2000 hp from getting ko'ed by a 2001 incoming damage. On the other hand, getting even a tiny 10 shield could help overcome that situation.

[@ronaldwangdra9675]

Bailu laughs in overhealing and revival.

[@dippedinrice2472]

Bailu invigoration says hi

[@izumolee6714]

@@ronaldwangdra9675 Well that doesn't help when you fight lvl.90 bosses in Memory of Chaos when they can kill everyone instantly. Overhealing & revive are useless if everyone is dead. Which is why in almost every team comp in Memory of Chaos at high levels there is a tank & a healer & one hyper carry dps. You will not last long if you don't have a tank to take aggro & shield the team.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

@@ronaldwangdra9675 Once. She'll do that once. Tanks can save your whole team from massive hits for the whole fight. Even March can save your team from cleaves if you mange turn order right.

[@bletwort2920]

Bailu does so much

[@TheNyrax]

I think its time for a very indepth Clara guide. The more time passes the more interesting things we seem to learn about her. I did not expect her to be strong enough to be called a tank

[@Renikal]

I'm still trying to build her cuz I got her from beginner banner and lost in seele to her. Still having trouble though

[@killerkonnat]

Put March 7 on Clara. Don't put Gepard in the same party. Guide over.

[@Korkorro]

@@killerkonnat Tingyun too. The god squad

[@GrimroGacha]

The Chinese players doing MoC 10 use her almost exclusively as a tank and spam basic attacks with her which I found very interesting.

[@MattRoadhouse]

@@GrimroGacha Yup, she's a great skill pt gen & aoe nuke after the counter 'marks' are given for multi-hit missile barrage. Boxer set is OP, I currently use Herta's LC at Sup4 and the break stack giving +dmg% instead of the other two stacks of atk scaling = badass

[@killerkonnat]

Exact base aggro values for the paths: Preservation > destruction > abundance/harmony/nihility > hunt/erudition 150 > 125 > 100 > 75

[@ejun251]

Time for my daily dose of Grimo, keep it up man. So happy to see you expanding into Gacha. (I'm also from PoE but fell into the rabbithole of Genshin theorycrafting when that came out and now again with Star Rail)

[@milesdsy]

*grimro

[@hintofinsanity]

It's nice to see a jrpg where tanks are just as if not more important than healers.

[@jords533]

jrpg?

[@ZeeZeeGaming]

this shit is not an rpg lmao

[@jords533]

@@ZeeZeeGaming nor is it japanese LOL

[@itsEpi_]

What is bro talking about😂

[@abdalrahmankhataan7231]

@@ZeeZeeGamingit’s literally an rpg by every meaning of the genre…it also draws alot of similarities to japanese rpgs as it’s usually turn based and not open world…what are you guys smoking lol

[@zinnia993]

The thing for healing is you have to survive the hit first to be able to heal. Shielding help you survive that hit. The lategame enemies can pretty much one shot anyone, so shielder and speed reduce characters start to shine more.

[@paintbucket2250]

On the first day I honestly considered rerolling for Bronya when I got Gepard and he's more or less just been the 5th wheel until about level 30 and oh man has he carried my ass through every piece of challenging content ever since

[@Dyetai]

Gepard is amazing I tried him in the beta and if you can constantly get his ult you are in for the most cozy ride ever. Even if he does die he also has a self revive which is an icing on the cake

[@francofoohs2667]

@@Dyetai not to mention how often he attracts the attacks AND can freeze while farming energy.

[@justacheesecake6232]

Honestly man I now want Gepard, there's moments where FireMC just doesn't cut it. I remembered I was hoping I didn't get him (got Yanqing) because how everyone said Gepard wasn't good.

[@Dyetai]

@@francofoohs2667 TRUE forgot about the freezing aspect that he provides as well.

[@Sadeyo1]

Same, I got Gepard spook on my main account but wanted Bailu instead. Rerolled twice and settled on the Welt account. Failed the 50/50 on Seele banner and got Gepard again. It's this a win?

[@knauerpower749]

A will forged in ice... never falters!

[@GrimroGacha]

Yo what is up guys, I don't generally give direct advice but if you have the light cone Moment of Victory or Landaus's Choice I highly recommend experimenting with it if you're having trouble with damage mitigation. Redirectly attacks really does feel like something that is a big part of endgame and without it surviving is a lot harder! In these early days of endgame 2 defensive units definitely feels like the norm but I do think we'll get to a point where we only need 1 but based on my experience that is going to require some pretty high levels across all your units or some insane relics.

[@kalodawg8297]

adding more numerical info on this for the viewers - Moment of Victory increases your tank's aggro by an extra 100% of his base aggro. And landau's victory raises it by an extra 200%. FYI a preservation character has base 150 aggro (hunters and erudition have 75; others have 100; destruction has 125). With MoV or Landau's, your tank has 300-450 aggro. The chances of other characters getting hit are so low that you don't even need to use taunt on your Fire Trailblazer. 50-65% of enemy attacks will be directed to your tank, that's how good these light cones are Gepard's passive makes him have a minimum aggro of 600. Dude's sigma gigachad existence is more than enough to direct 70% of enemy attacks towards him

[@killerkonnat]

@@kalodawg8297 Note that Gepard's trace gives +300% which means with the light cones you're sitting at +400-500% instead of double of what he already had.

[@GrimroGacha]

I don't ever tell people directly what to pull as that's a very personal decision for you sorry. I will say that gepard absolutely has the capability to acheive solo sustain status in the 1.0 forgotten hall with gear levels and traces if you play him correctly.

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Don't you just love it when Enemies just simply ignored your Fire MC with the Landau's Choice LC + March 7th Shield and attack your Main carry instead?

[@bletwort2920]

Does it also affect Svarog’s hands and Kafka’s domination?

[@jamiekb9v]

it's crazy how many of us are MoC content locked due to not having bailu or gepard

[@SomaStory]

I reckon it's because we aren't even supposed to be tackling this content yet. We can, but we probably be shouldn't. It's straight up poor game design if you're basing content around characters you aren't guaranteed to have.

[@irium_pls]

yo its jamie the absolute goat. how ya doin? cooking anything up for hsr?

[@AzureDrag0n1]

You should be able to get by with Natasha in some team comps. She is sometimes better than Bailu. Especially if you have many eidolons on her.

[@christ1257]

@@AzureDrag0n1 except that MOC requires 2 teams. And most of the comps right now in 1.0 require healer so you need a 2nd healer

[@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT]

Before gepard, i thought i was gonna struggle, after gepard, man he carried me until i could start building my actual dps and other units on my team. Simply having a higher aggro rate and his thicc aoe shields just put in so much work. I honestly can't ever see myself not having a tank on any team

[@chillhour6155]

Was my first 5 star which at first I wasn't to happy with but once I got him raised, imo he is the MVP of the game

[@CrissAlcantara]

it'd be interesting to see how the teams shape up to be when accounts start to be become cracked in terms of invested. i hope that dual carries won't be the norm and that MoC mobs will always hit hard enough to ensure preservation units never go obsolete (erudtion/hunt/destruction+preservation+abundance+nihility/harmony)

[@bonkbonk98]

would be pretty boring to have preservation and abundance in every team

[@CrissAlcantara]

@@bonkbonk98 adds to the strategy tbh instead of mindlessly pushing damage and ulting on CD but to each their own i guess

[@sdedy379]

The problem isn't we need for tank unit to always be viable but when eventually there's a unit that either invincible to damage, do damage mitigation so much to all unit, or just straight up tank + buffer + debuffer in the same unit. As long as pure tank that is viable that's okay because i don't want to imagine a day when the game have like 4 multi purpose unit in the same team.

[@sticky-soup]

I dont see tanks and healers go anywhere. Dps characters will not get any tankier, and if anything, with better relica they will get even more squishy, because you will aim for as little defensive substats on them as possible. And extra 10 levels will not make a world of difference for the dps survivability

[@bonkbonk98]

@@CrissAlcantara I understand. Killing the enemies before they manage to kill you is a strategy too, not mindless if the game difficulty is well done

[@rezvgc]

can we have some of your moc gameplay? im kinda interested on how you approach each level so we can see your thoughts process of clearing moc

[@RatchR]

Haven't gotten fortunate enough to get bailu but I did get Clara and Gepard. Finding success using Fire MC + Natasha on one side and Gepard + Clara together on the other to get through the content. I really want Clara's lightcone. I'm on F5 in memory of chaos praying I can go to at least 7

[@yamadashu2751]

I hope you keep making these little insights on how everything works. I've play a fair bit of other turn based games and i think the debuffs and new ways of dealing dmg(e.g. stright up swapping enemy buffs with dots) so i hoe i can learn different playstyles later in the game from hou. I really liked playing bruiser and control teams back in other turn based game. 11:48 thanks for the content again.cheers!

[@SM-tf3li]

The reason people need tanks right now is because they're trying to clear content with characters that have a 20+ level difference vs the enemy. Once that gap closes you won't be taking a massive amount of damage anymore and having just a healer should be enough. It's like trying to do chamber 12 of spiral abyss in Genshin with lvl60 characters instead of lvl80 characters. Low level characters just get one shot due to level scaling. In the endgame when everyone is geared, tanks will only be used if your team has enough dps to clear the content with maximum stars. This is how it is in Genshin. Once you have enough dps, you add tanks for more comfy gameplay. So it's basically build dps first till you have enough and then add tanks afterwards. Content will still be hard but it will most likely be a dps check first and foremost.

[@gilgamesh5154]

The taunt value is still dank for me cuz every time I fight cockolia she hard target my selle instead of gepard and mc

[@jonamar3965]

My personal strat that I like is Natasha in slot 1 and M7 in Slot 2. Shield Natasha and now my healer is the tank 😎

[@KillerLizard41]

I love that the situation is opposite to genshin's

[@T8-TR]

I'm glad DEF has a role in this game. In Genshin, the DEF stat, even for DEF scaling characters, is an absolute joke. It literally exists because those characters scale DEF and DEF lets them do more damage, not because it functions as mitigation. HSR seems to handle it more like DEF traditionally would, where it makes your units noticeably tankier (on top of scaling X or Y ability).

[@meltederaser376]

It's because you can't really dodge in HSR (yet idk if they'll add somekind of evasion)

[@firelight3806]

Don't forget the Qiqi of HSR is actually meta since you can't dodge.

[@scaramouche7759]

Maybe when they rework geo, they’ll also rework Def stat. I wish it gave interruption resist. Geo characters could be really good bruisers. They should also add geo on geo reactions, like hitting a unit inflicted with geo with a geo attack debuffs them or makes them explode or something.

[@Spellbook]

@@scaramouche7759 I think geo is very fine. The geo crystallization needs rework. Geo has plenty of ways not to get interrupted already, from Noelle shield to ittos constant flailing. I don't think theres a geo character that needs to channel so much time they get interrupted. Even if there's a channel time they're usually immune to interrupt during. Eventually we'll get a geo healer and they're gonna be really strong because of that.

[@Mysteltaint]

@@Spellbook They should make crystallization scale to Def not EM, and make crystallization re-apply reaction like swirl instead of stripping it off. Similar to how dendro core can re-apply dendro.

[@okitaluc]

We will have a clear picture of the endgame when people get their accounts maxed and fully geared characters and what is necessary to 3 star everything. At the moment is just trying hard to beat things under leveled and as far as I know the rewards aren't even worth the "P2W" , but obviously is different for content creators , since it's content to be made regardless of being future proof or not ...

[@Fukuroul]

Thanks for the guide, Grim. Packed with energy uhh I mean info.

[@izumolee6714]

This is a turn base game so it's very obvious that Tanks will eventually be very viable for end game content. Shields protect you from being one shot when healing just isn't enough. Healers keep up your sustain while shields can save you from a wipe. That is the main difference when tackling content well above your power level.

[@thornszk]

Hoyoverse will surely make enemies that can bypass shields. Zhongli-rifthounds situation. The difference is you can't dodge here so yeah

[@reset2000]

If that ia true, then we REALLY need new free healer/healers.

[@alexanderluna4598]

What does this mean for Lucha who’s a healer but scaling from atk. He probably won’t be able to stand next to the tank

[@GrimroGacha]

I have also been thinking about this as well I am not sure exactly.

[@liszst]

bro when beta was out people were shittin' on my son, gepard for being a shielder. glad he's getting some love, even if it's just going to be the first couple of weeks/months til we get a teamwide shielder/tank with other utilities.

[@sakixiv]

5:05 bruh i deadass checked my phone

[@colinmcbottle]

Tanks > healers IMO because they can preemptively protect your party. Healers cannot recover what is not yet lost. And in the future we may see more 1HK attacks from enemies, making shield bars super useful.

[@xXDaLazyNinjaXx]

How my core team comp runs: Trailblazer fire for the tank hits and shields, Natasha for heal and removes debuff, seele for seele reasons, bronya for seele and could also debuff if Im in a situation where I need to get Natasha out to heal fast or trailblazer fire to taunt. 1 tank 1 healer 1 dps 1 support and two of these can debuff which is huge

[@danka24ful]

I use the same team and i can see that many people use it too it have good DPS and survability

[@flowerpetal_]

Heal recovers hp while shield gives another hp bar. Imo it works in similar way except that heal is capped by max hp while shield is restricted by turns. In any case, I feel like either of them will always be needed because you can't evade nor use items here

[@keneunaegbu851]

Everybody is underleveled and undergeared. Soon people will either run 1 or 1 healer or cheese their way through without either

[@Chestyfriend]

I can only get up to phase 5 before the damage simply becomes too much without having Bailu. Seriously if you want to progress in chaos you basically need to have Bailu.

[@GrimroGacha]

People have done 5 without Bailu but have gepard/clara you definitely need damage mitigation though I agree.

[@Chestyfriend]

@@GrimroGacha Yeah Gepard can be used to cope, but I don't have him either.

[@mike81356]

How good are Debuffers Late game? I got Welt and E3 Pela, but unsure which to invest in or neither since SilverWolf is also coming soon? Problem with Debuffers atm seem to be taking up a Support slot in the team, which is competing with Buffers like Bronya and Tingyun, both which seems to scale better with the late game content atm.

[@GrimroGacha]

In high MoC enemies have close to 50% effect hit resistance which means debuffs need gear to counter this. For reference though welt is heavily heavily used in higher memory of chaos floors at least at the moment.

[@labnodram]

got the gepard light cone from my first standard banner pity, hope to see some more preservation units coming in future 🤓🤓 (apparently only just fu xuan according to leaks)

[@GrimroGacha]

That lightcone is so strong I was considering getting a 2nd one with my 600 I really think it's very underrated.

[@labnodram]

@@GrimroGacha yes its been amazing on my trailblazer! so much defence, even the tiny shields he creates rarely get broken 🤩

[@axandraalex5869]

Got 2 of his lightcone on 2nd and 11th pull. But no gepard sadly n one of my team involves clara.

[@hollowfragment237]

I was so sad when I got that light cone and after using it on fire mc I’m so happy I have it literally tanks everything

[@valkyrie9212]

Thank you for clear and concise information. I didn’t think about mitigating cleave damage by putting our defensive characters on the end.

[@iamcool544]

This just in. Genshin players have figured out what damage mitigation is. Next, speed tuning.

[@GrimroGacha]

I've never played Genshin impact though.

[@GoodBlueSong]

Im struggling with no bailou and no gepard, even though I got lucky with bronya and seele. looking at loucha but I really want silver wolf and blade/dan heng II since I have the 5 star destruction cone ahhhh

[@GrimroGacha]

That is a tough decision.

[@GoodBlueSong]

@@GrimroGacha well if the new beta info stays, I feel better about luocha and will just wait for sw rerun. thanks for all ur vids! So helpful

[@constellationdreamlessnigh5573]

I got clara on first account and gepard on second account. I am so lucky with tank character 😂

[@zimtarx]

Hi is hp boots viable for gepard and fire mc assuming good substats? Or should i really aim for def or speed main?

[@mikir1741]

I just beat world 6 let's fuckingg go

[@creatinepowder167]

hey grim, great guides, you really are helping the community brother. On the subject of the video, you have gepard but didn't touch on march, is she worth investing in past level 60 assuming no gepard? thanks mate

[@IncubiAkster]

Lets be honest, main reson tanks are required right now is because we are all trying to do content 20 levels above our level.....We aren't 'meant' to be doing these fights the way we are. When we all have our chars at max leve doing endgamel it would not surprise me if the game becomes laughably easy.

[@GrimroGacha]

I think the first memory of chaos is the introductory one, do you think the future ones will be harder? If so when we are once again up against very scary amounts of damage maybe the tanks will be valuable once again, it's also worth noting some tanks can be used as solo sustainers like Gepard but in order to do so he needs high taunt value.

[@senelclark101]

Laughably easy? Do you mean just like current Genshin Spiral Abyss with no healer shielder run?

[@kazekori9593]

@@senelclark101 My brother in christ you can't dodge attacks in star rail.

[@ariha8579]

@@senelclark101 I don't think we'll get to that point since this is a turn-based game. In genshin you can dodge, here unless we get a new support who gives us the "dodge" status i don't think tanks or healers will go away from our comps

[@theogxander]

well this is honkai not genshin and hoyo made honkai impact difficult unlike genshin

[@magnidark]

amazing video

[@b1iink249]

Hey grim, where would you rank E2 Welt + LC in terms of DPS? asking cuz I got lucky/unlucky getting those early 😅

[@GrimroGacha]

Welt is something I don't feel confident talking about yet sorry.

[@JanTGTX]

I'm not that far into the game, only close to lv 40, but I'll definitely keep investing in my Welt. I think he's neither a clear-cut support, nor a dedicated damage dealer, but something in between, yet I don't think he suffers too much from the jack-of-all-trades syndrome, because he can do both quite well (at the moment at least). Not Seele- or Clara levels of damage, but rather what you'd expect from a 4 star like Serval or Dan Heng. His traces and LC very much lean into the damage department, but his kit also comes with lots of utility. His skill can deal crazy single target damage and an absolutely humungous amount of toughness break. Some suggested to gear him with effect hit rate but I'd disagree. His ult almost guarantees stun against enemies, which are not resistant, unlike for example March's ult, which requires much more hit rate to really control the battlefield. Plus, Welt's comes with a damage buff. Since his ult already covers the imprisonment debuff, I don't think the 65% chance slow on his skill is really worth investing more into. Also, because in single target, it's almost guaranteed to proc as is, with how often it hits. So, I'd say, go ham on damage with him, besides maybe energy regen if needed. His base kit already feels competent enough on the support-side of things, without any investment, so why not invest into dps. Of course, being so well rounded in supporting both offense and defense, it might at the same time be a wasted opportunity to not run him with another damage dealer, who can capitalize even more on the debuffs. And while being very reliable defensively against trash mobs, his ult reliance makes him not so good at controlling tougher bosses, when it's down. He's probably the best flex unit right now. You could even make him the main damage dealer in non-time-gated content like simulated universe. I definitely will. With Welt + Tank + Healer + Speed Support (like Bronya or Asta), you're next to unkillable with how much enemies are delayed and you get forwarded. Sorry for wall of text. I really like playing Welt. x)

[@b1iink249]

@@JanTGTX thanks for your input. I currently have him built as a my second dps for forgotten hall and sometimes paired with my seele as support. Having his E2 lets me use his ult in 2 turns in the right scenario which synergizes extremely well with his E1. I just wanted to see if he would be at least competitive with other 5 star dps at that eidolon level.

[@mattpet7913]

damn i was hoping tanks were enough but seeing ur team setups it seems like 2 healers r needed then?

[@GrimroGacha]

They could be enough with enough gear but right now I need a tank and a healer yea.

[@Infestedhobo1]

The worst part about turn-based combat is having 0 control over who the enemy targets. Any ways to mitigate that is always going to be useful in a turn-based system imo

[@crimsonroseid948]

my stelle and yanqing are 2 strongest in my team and guess what enemies always target those 2 there is no fight that the enemies didn't target those 2 is look like as if they know who I'm relying on

[@waddledee238]

how do you always upload the second I open youtube...

[@Sambroke]

He's watching you

[@SSpiderGee]

Was wondering if you bought Moment of Victory with Starlight or you got it from warps.

[@GrimroGacha]

I got it with 600 starlight but I wish I had a 2nd one.

[@reliea]

can I ask if you have seele's light cone, is it better to go for speed on feet assuming I don't get lucky with speed on other substats or is atk% still better? also in that case, what would be the optimal speed to aim for on her?

[@alefm.1175]

Always atk%

[@WisKy64VT]

When my Seele Hyper carry team is failing I swap my tank in and I’m fine

[@Sambroke]

It's funny usually in turn based rpgs healers are the squishiest chars but the way hoyoverse games work they end up being some of the tankiest

[@imadaga69420]

Healers are generally beefy because they usually scale with HP but their not tanky in the same sense as Tanks are. If you take into account their damage mitigation and shields, they have a much higher effective hp than everyone.

[@Sambroke]

@@imadaga69420 idk what about my comment made you think you needed to say this Like yeah man I wasn't aware they're tanky because they scale off HP I actually thought they scaled off defense and had shield generation thank you so much for enlightening me

[@Astonthepunk]

@@Sambrokeyou’re both gonna eat your words the day they decide to release a healer that scales off of defence lol. Besides the next 5* healer scales off of attack so this isn’t going to apply to him

[@Sambroke]

@@Astonthepunk I'm sure there will be an abundance character that makes shields eventually

[@Astonthepunk]

@@Sambroke that’s a little bit of a stretch though bc that’s the whole point of preservation path. TBF Seele kinda alr blurs the line between hunt and erudition but still

[@derbananenkonig4985]

My little Gepi got only 2900 hp but 3800 def 😂 those shields are massive AF. I really like the tank role in this game.

[@ArcaneWeapon]

I think there's a very large flaw here. Tanks are overly valued in the current meta because Chaos is vastly higher level than players can reach. Once we're actually at the proper level, the amount of damage will dramatically decrease, and the value of tanks will as well. I'm not saying they'll become useless by any means, but 3 months from now, I do not think people will be relying on them *nearly* as much. Remember, Chaos levels are fixed, they are not going to increase over time.

[@axandraalex5869]

True, but coming from genshin they change the enemy line up n buff every patch. It's possible that they might add enemies to counter heal/shield specifically to incentivies using either every now and then.

[@GrimroGacha]

Memory of Chaos will settle a minimum of 8 - 10 levels higher than us in the last 2 floors I think we'll see players go down to 1 healer or 1 tank I agree but that level of progression is literally months away for most players and potentially even longer away if they make 1.1 MoC harder. I think this general advice regarding tanks is actually quite useful for everyone coming up through the floors in the coming weeks and months don't you think so?

[@ArcaneWeapon]

@@GrimroGacha I don't, actually, and this is coming from someone who's watching all your videos (aka I think you're on point quite often). The average player shouldn't even be remotely concerned about Memory of Chaos right now. Building a 2nd team even just to get the clear rewards and not the star rewards, costs VASTLY more than the payouts you'd get in return. The *only* real value from Chaos is getting those 3*, 60 jade payouts, and those, currently, are impossible for 99% of players. IMO, people shouldn't even be looking at Chaos until at *minimum* TL50. Obviously, if they want to push their accounts beyond the intended limits then what you're talking about in this video is helpful, but I think it's a mistake to focus on the short term when this game is very much a marathon with long-term progression winning out. Just closing the level gap by 10 levels will dramatically ease difficulty alone.

[@raiarthur7873]

My preservation mc right now has 2.5k def with 4gold relic pieces. Can't wait to get her 3k. And i remember this KZbinrs that neglect tanks and healers after playing the game one time. Hahahahahha saying that just build your dps. This ain't genshin dude hahahaha

[@KarateKallie1]

can you do a clara guide please ?

[@Igraphi7335]

I can say multum combinations about make team but the important thing is a inviroment. And i guess this is the best answer about it. You choose the team depends on what you have to kill .❤ The problem are resources however nobody told you to play all chars right?❤😂 Btw support is for aoe dmg because deal multi damage which is less then single dps.❤

[@ronboro-uq8ss]

I'm kinda struglling because I don't have another tank like Gepard in my team

[@GodammitNappa]

My current team is fire mc, Natasha, gepard and seele. I'm fighting so far above my account level it's not even funny.

[@sebastianphilipps1754]

Tanks are really stupid in SU lol. Yesterday I cleared world 3-2 and 4-2 spamming preservation (in 4-2 I needed 14 buffs so my skill would 1hit the hands)

[@flowerpetal_]

The three star preservation blessings basically make your team invincible lol

[@basedarsonist]

I know Clara is good but still soo sad to get Clara E1. It could've been Welt, Bronya, or anyone but an eidolons 😭

[@milos7522]

dude i got himekos light cone twice 😭😭 I have himeko tho so cool i guess

[@XLbuffLive]

Clara eidolons so good tho

[@Galariel]

Same as genshin before they implemented coronavirus, basically shielder will always be better than healer because why the hell you need to take damage to be healed, when you can just not take damage at all in the first place via shielding.

[@NateVG]

Wait why Clara??? Isn't she an attacker tho? Clara scales off of attack so you'd be giving her gears that she can do damage, unless you're crazy enough to build her as a tank over the other tanks Yeah sure she can be somewhat an off-tank on her own with her exclusive Lightcone (the heal also scale off of attack kekw) but again would anyone build her as a tank by then?

[@ifrit9732]

She has dmg reduction on her kit and you can run her with march shields , she really just sits there soaking hits and does her big dps

[@imadaga69420]

because shes destruction and destruction units have 2nd highest taunt value and usually have their own defensive utility. Simply having her on your team means your hunts, abundance and eruditions are less likely to get targeted which translates to less pressure of getting 2 shotted.

[@NateVG]

@@ifrit9732 The dmg reduction and self-cleansing in her kit is to make sure she survived and counter back. You are not building her as a tank at the end of the day, telling me to pair March with Clara is like telling me to pair Seele with Bronya + March is a tank in the first place, my initial comment is about "whether Clara count as a tank or not" so I don't think it's answering my question

[@NateVG]

@@imadaga69420 Yeah I know, everyone knows, and her survivability is surely higher than other destruction units, I'm asking if she counts as a tank, heck would it even worth putting the HP/DEF relic set on her, at this point in time if there's someone building her as a pure tank then honestly I just feel bad

[@thatrashcan9993]

​@@NateVG id say yes, she counts as a tank. She removes aggro from the rest of your team and mitigates that damage incoming to her. Those are generally the boxes you'd check when defining a tank. It's not like the definition of tank is "scaling off of a defense or HP stat." It's simply being able to soak up hits for the team. The reason she has damage mitigation is to make up for her not building a defense stat. And it's not like tanks are required to not be able to deal any damage. Shes just a tank that happens to scale off of attack and have respectable damage output. She checks all the boxes tanks need. She just doesn't commit fully into it in favor of checking a few other boxes.

[@XLbuffLive]

It seems that focusing too much on defence for 2 teams may not be the best idea long term. Sure, right now if you wanna rush and try hardest content it makes sense, but for average f2p player it's a lot of wasted resources in the end probably.

[@jotusmas4038]

Makes me want gepard for my team even more now 😅

[@johnreydelatorre3450]

Annoyingly, 3/4 of them are 5-stars

[@elodik6922]

I'd really like to know your yanqing build...

[@KuroTheDesigner]

No one can convince me that March 7th isn't complete dogshite, her taunt works like 30% of the fucking time and that's after i've positioned my team members properly according to their natural taunt levels, if march's taunt worked the way it was supposed to, she'd easily be S tier imo

[@Andre_Oliveira77]

Clara isn't preservation

[@lamorthonyfairyfriend4082]

The reason she is mentioned is because she wants to be hit to deal damage

[@Andre_Oliveira77]

@@lamorthonyfairyfriend4082 I get this point, but he mentioned her even on gepard cone, so it might be a little confusing for anyone seeing this

[@GrimroGacha]

She is mentioned as a tank as her ultimate provides massive increased chance to be hit and damage reduction allowing her to play the role of a tank while dealing damage.

[@Andre_Oliveira77]

@@GrimroGacha I agree she acts like a tank, I'm just discriminating that she is not preservation

[@TheLMBLucas]

Fire MC + March + Bronya... way too broken. 2 cleanses, Bronya gives Def to MC and March for bigger shields, March follow-up all the time, 3 elements coverage

[@alz397]

Anyone else hear that phone notification 🤣😭💀

[@prettyandrich]

the gepard lc on mc and not on gepard im sick to my core

[@TrueNebiross]

I answer - because it's a strategy game without dodging. Ty u can leave now.

[@Piscore]

Bailu 5400 hp damn son

[@kazumakariama]

Love being a whale without half these units lmao

[@Starrky923]

5:00 copium as hell, from my experience tanks are the least likely to be hit unless enemies are taunted lol

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

Uh...because it's a Turn Based RPG?

[@imadaga69420]

Tanks are kings right now because we dont have the resources to get +15 hat for the hp. Once we get to the later floors of MoC the problem we'll surely be damage and we'll most likely transition to a maindps/subdps/healer/buffer or debuffer

[@Serpentarious]

that and the fact that we are severely underleveled, 20 lvls difference at MoC 10 even for the whales

I think being way lower level by itself means your stats are lower, but on top of that, being underleveled also has some hidden calc, which makes you deal less dmg and take more dmg.

[@TheFlashzie]

People are already clearing the hardest content the game has to offer, two weeks in? That sounds like a flaw in some form of the design, but not too sure

[@kangsate3459]

Not all ppl Most are either hardcore players or whales

[@philkersonchong9848]

People who spend lots of money to gacha and refreshed to the maximum daily. Maybe farming mobs and simulated universe. Lastly, getting lucky with relics.

[@ChessPieceHalloween]

But Clara isn't a Tank.

[@GrimroGacha]

She can be if you want her to be she has a mega taunt you can keep active.

[@ChessPieceHalloween]

@GrimroGacha but she isn't under the preservation class. She's under destruction, which is basically bruiser. So i wouldn't state She's a tank. Just mention that she is capable of being an off tank.

[@therealkoga2519]

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