How the ACC Could Find Enough Money To Keep Florida State and Clemson | Cover 3 College Football

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

Bud is awesome. The patience he has explaining this to everyone is just unreal.

[@patricklane2693]

Bud schooled Tom. Some don't like Buds directness but he was on point.

[@psytrax]

I’m more inclined to believe Bud understands the situation being a lawyer by trade way better than Tom. Tom doesn’t understand much of anything it seems.

[@jtdesverdad]

Yeah but it's a podcast for debate and even lawyers can be wrong. Nothing wrong with healthy disagreement even if he's dead wrong lol

[@williamcoe5596]

5%? 5%? 5%? I’m smart What a dope. ESPN is pulling all the strings

[@williamcoe5596]

5%? 5%? 5%? I’m smart What a dope. ESPN is pulling all the strings

[@noles1983]

"Math is math" Yeah if you understand math...Tom

[@acesmooth8292]

The guy with the blue cap is so slow 😂

[@SeminoleMoments]

Bud explaining this to Tom like he’s a child lol

[@nah3193]

Tom is in fact dumber than a 5th grader

[@the_blue_chicken]

Because Tom is acting like he doesn't get it when he definitely does.

[@mattcaruthers7832]

Tom is lame

[@psytrax]

Tom has got to be the dumbest analyst on this panel.

[@jeh58]

The guy w/ the Bears hat & Illinois shirt isn't very bright is he?

[@MinisterManDan]

This was always the most sensible resolution to this

[@kevinc3751]

Bud is right and Tom is wrong. It’s all about money in (FSU, Clemson, ACC, ESPN) and money out (same parties but who loses what amount; and ACC and ESPN lose the most long term if FSU gets out sooner).

[@jholmes3329]

Well money and risk assessment… acc will lose everything in worst case scenario and clemson /Fsu lose the court fees in their worst case… a win is on a scale and it favors the schools in the recent courts. 5% maybe a total victory but 60% of a victory for the schools of any kind may still be a death blow for the acc

[@mikehoncho9096]

Tom is not understanding wtf Bud is even talking about with the 5% thing and it’s painful to watch…

[@jonathanmatthews5245]

Tom is the reason I don't watch as much. Textbook ideological possession. One reason the ACC might come to the table is because they dont have a guaranteed contract with ESPN next year. It's a math problem, not at all personal.

[@damosuzuki4125]

Doing a rough calculation of expected value, The ACC would start losing money a year after FSU and Clemson leave even with a buyout. That is why they are doing this. The GOR is reduced from 12 to 6 years those six years of added revenue keep them afloat for a little while. FSU/Clem could say three years and the ACC would probably take it.

[@WilliamDeemer]

This might be the best short term solution for everybody involved until everybody in college football is going to be lumped into two giant conferences that resemble the NFL.

[@yomeich]

There is also a material chance ESPN doesn't extend the ACCN contract by Feb 2025, meaning the GoR s done by 2027 and FSU pays the equivalent of a speeding ticket to shut down the ACC. Context is huge here. $70M would get FSU and Clemson to think about it.

[@dam7467]

Yikes…I sure hope Tom just really hasn’t thought through the FSU/ACC power & leverage dynamics this whole time…to sound so dense not being able to follow Buds set of assumptions deduced. I mean this has been the biggest story over the last year though, so it’s kinda spooky Tom really couldn’t follow though. It was kinda entertaining though… with a little bit of cringe almost feeling sorry for Tom. Love the content in general though!

[@seminoldschool7032]

Wow…it’s nice to see Bud actually stand up to Tom for once. Usually he just immediately cowers anyone Tom says something stupid & tells Bud to shut up

[@mattcaruthers7832]

Tom is a fsu hater for sure , he regrets the day they added kanell and bud .

[@princebowie9950]

@@mattcaruthers7832 I wouldn't watch if Bud left.

[@nole74]

Leverage could come from the ESPN deal if ESPN does not want to lock in without knowing who will be in the conference

[@chadreinhardt8069]

Tom no math good.

[@purpleivory2]

I suspect that BC, Wake, and Syracuse would agree to this but there would have to be a guarantee that Clemson and FSU remain for X amount of time.

[@Scalper10001]

I don’t understand why people get so grouchy about FSU and Clemson (FSU in particular) wanting to leave the ACC to make more money and be on a financially equal playing field.

[@lucasalvarez9588]

It comes down to an agreement that FSU & Clemson signed many years ago for the Grant of Rights.

[@Scalper10001]

@@lucasalvarez9588 that’s fine, but things have changed since then, and the ACC hasn’t been proactive in competing vs other conferences. All contracts have to have a reasonable way of getting out of that contract. If there isn’t one, then it’s more of a hostage situation than a business contract.

[@WilliamDeemer]

@@Scalper10001 everything you say is correct about the ACC dropping the ball. But I’m pretty sure that every university had a whole team of lawyers going over that. I’m all for teams getting out if they don’t want to be there. Just sit down and negotiate a lesser exit fee and some type of reduced penalty for getting out before the contract. I’m sure that Florida State has plenty of money if they have a spot guaranteed in the SEC or Big Ten. Hell, I’d want my team in there too. Just because things have changed recently doesn’t invalidate the contract. Just sit down and crunch numbers and find a figure you can live with and you’re free to go I guess. Whatever happens I just hope that FSU finds a place where they can be happy.

[@TheWorldTurntle]

Didn’t see a glimpse of this kind of vitriol from the media when Texas/OU and Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA declared their moves

[@WilliamDeemer]

@@TheWorldTurntle well there is a key difference in the situations. Oklahoma and Texas finished out the contract they had with the big 12. Washington and Oregon not positive about this, but I imagine when the league imploded last year there wasn’t much standing in their way to leaving. Now, in this case, unfortunately everybody in the conference is locked in forever to a crappy TV deal negotiated by good old JS. Personally, as a Virginia Tech fan, I’d love for you guys to stay, but truth be told I think every school in the ACC is trying to figure out how they can get in the same neighborhood as the big 10 and, the SEC.

[@kalebpost20]

A real meeting of the mind here. Bud knows his stuff. Tom ? . . .

[@williamcoe5596]

ESPN is the devil and is pulling all the strings

[@TreyNel010]

Tom just hates Florida State and he makes that pretty obvious lol. He just wants to argue anything about FSU when it comes to giving them credit or anything good associated with them.

[@amsportsmedia]

Dude in the top right is slow

[@jamessharkey2262]

Guy in top right screen just doesn’t get it. He needs a white board.

[@amac701]

Bud is the ultimate spin master trying to turn this abomination into an fsu victory. FSU proposed this to the ACC because they don't have a landing spot in the sec or Big 10.

[@hugolongjohnson5115]

It’s the current state of the trail, Florida state is doing what’s best for them, like when the acc was funneling money under the table to these other schools to fund athletic departments, and taking less money to keep random apart of the tv deal. The truth is the truth man

[@jholmes3329]

Tom failing to understand the math is killing me…😂 If fsu and Clemson leaves, the acc is dead. If they stay then its the same

[@JesseDouglas456]

Good lord Tom, just admit you don't understand. So confidently wrong about everything lol

[@ColoredHacks]

Florida State has a better chance of making a bowl game then winning this lawsuit 😂 Why would the ACC schools give them more money?

[@jasongoodnite4746]

I have to believe that ESPN is at the heart of this. The “look in” for the ESPN/ACC agreement is due for a response by February. All things being equal ESPN “should” say all is good. But with a greater chance of FSU and Clemson leaving even with paying an exit fee, the ACC is not worth what it’s being paid. The risk really lies with ESPN since they are the ones paying the money.

[@gordono672]

In terms of where FSU can go from the ACC, the timing for them is poor. If they had asked about joining the SEC in 2011 before Missouri joined, it seems like they could have much more easily made the move as a pair with Texas A&M- no long term GOR and maybe a better addition than Missouri. Now the SEC seems to be at a sweet spot in terms of a balance between upper half and lower half teams. They don’t NEED another upper half football program to continue being the best conference on the field (even though FSU would add to their strength long term) and the lower half programs don't want to have to go up against another program that could consistently beat them. So here we are with Vanderbilt, Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Mississippi State getting SEC payments while a program that is at minimum comparable to those programs is getting substantially less. They are taking the confrontational approach to get out of the GOR sooner while not getting the recognition that they deserve for being a program that could further solidify the SEC's football strength. I wonder what would happen if they accepted the poor decision they made to sign the long term GOR, cut non football expenses to allow them to build wealth that way and then scheduled tougher non conference games (with bigger payouts). Or maybe they have a good enough case against having to fulfill the GOR agreement.

[@princebowie9950]

Tom sounded....not smart. Ugh

[@jiknudson]

Big fan of the podcast, but this is one of the worst discussions you’ve ever held. It’s perfectly obvious that FSU would settle for a sizable increase that allows them to remain within spending distance of the SEC and Big Ten teams. Instead, we got almost 20 minutes of discussion about the chances of FSU being able to leave the ACC for free and what the sides’ bargaining positions would be based on that. Danny was actually the voice of reason as he alluded to the fact that if FSU gets up to around 65 million per year with the ACC, FSU will take that, particularly if the deal with the ACC ends when the Big Ten and SEC deals go to market.

[@JBH4404]

Although FSU/Clemson are biggest ACC brands and shouldn’t make less than NW/Vandy it think Tom realizes the inner workings of the B1G and knows that the presidents/academia STILL has a huge influence. Though both are great schools they will not take both, they need a prestigious/AAU partner and both SEC and B1G want UNC. Also many B1G schools are hesitant to add a school the way FSU publicly called out its conference. The SEC doesn’t need to add a 2nd SC or FL school and would like to add new markets and bulk up basketball since football is already #1, unfortunately for FSU/Clemson there are smaller football brands that the P2 want over them because of reasons beyond football AT THIS TIME, but COULD CHANGE in future as deals behind closed doors evolve. Both the SEC and B1G want to add UNC as 1st target and want to leave slots open for a team that UNC want to bring with them (UVA, NCST, etc.). Both FSU/Clemson have more leverage if they could persuade UNC to exit with them. I think the B12 rumors from about a month ago and now this ACC renogation of rev sharing shows they do not have the guaranteed spot they assumed prior to P2 and now realize they HAVE MORE VALUE right before B1G and SEC redo their contracts to negotiate then.

[@connecticutfan]

After things settle down, don't forget UConn is looking for a conference!

[@heartbreak25]

FSU and Clemson submitted this proposal to the ACC and not the other way around. That changes the narrative on leverage.

[@jfigfsu]

tough pod segment, tom. tighten up and get it together....

[@nicholasf6793]

To understand why the other ACC schools might take this deal, think about it in terms of insurance. Assuming there is a 5% chance the conference dies, how much would a school like Wake be willing to insure they don't take a 80% hit to revenue. Using last year's numbers ($44 mill/school), the other teams could have each made $38 million and agreed to pay FSU and Clemson $80 mill each. Obviously a ratings based system changes the expected cut to each school, but the lower ratings schools are at the highest risk if the ACC blows up. People insure against many things that are a lower percentage than 5%. The point is that the lawsuit has moved from insuring against a plane crash to insuring against a hospital stay happening in the next year, and enough schools would be willing to at least negotiate at those percentages. P.S. Hope FSU and Clemson never win again. Hail to Pitt!

[@tatafreeman1]

Like how is UNC the biggest “brand” in the ACC, but may not be in the “takers”?

[@WilliamDeemer]

Because they’re a national university like Texas or Michigan. Granted they suck in football, but they are one of the best basketball schools in the country and they have the academics and infrastructure that conferences as well as that coveted new TV market. Hell I’ve even heard that university of Virginia would be a prime target for the same reason. It’s a hell of a note that two of the worst football schools in the conference would be the most appealing to the big 10 or the SEC. Go figure.

[@SurferRC]

They arent for tv add revenue which is what all these contracts are based on….

[@marycrockerrohe2371]

Bud⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@RogerBates7]

If I am FSU and Clemson, I'm taking 55/yr and a 2030 ending to the GOR/Rights (If it's offered) and running. Are you kidding me? More money and you can get out 6 years sooner? That's more than fair.

[@davidframe1613]

ACC has to keep Florida State and Clemson to be relevant. I would also suggest adding Kansas TCU West Virginia and UConn to the ACC. Would be a very productive move. But the question is can they get the money??

[@WilliamDeemer]

You know your football for sure. I’ve always thought that instead of sitting on its ass the ACC brass should be going after some other teams like West Virginia and TCU. No more expansion in basketball or for basketball to appease the North Carolina schools. I like that you think proactively.

[@krisschedler]

I think Utah will be a top target for ACC, Utah was not thrilled about joining Big 12, and did not sign the long term blood oath like Colorado did, not that that really matters. I agree about Kansas and TCU. Maybe add Houston too.

[@davidframe1613]

@@krisschedler Utah's better in the Big 12 then they are in the ACC travel time would kill their hopes of ever contending for a national championship. If I was Notre Dame I would join the Big 12 that's pretty much guaranteed to be in the playoffs every year. The ACC and Big 12 both weak conferences. I think Texas and Oklahoma made a huge mistake. They're used to winning the Big 12. They will only win the SEC every now and then.

[@fuadb4910]

Is Tom playing dumb or messing with bud

[@ivanolivares257]

Can someone tell pac 2 Stanford isnt trading Duke, notre dame etc.....for boise state, or colorado state.......to go back to pac 2

[@boweevil8390]

Go Clemson. Please make a mud puddle out of the NC State Wolfpack Saturday.

[@letitroll610]

FSU needs more money to stay competitive in football, I've watched them play this year, it's going to take a LOT of money.

[@WilliamDeemer]

@@letitroll610 my God when you have schools like Tennessee actually adding a surcharge to their ticket prices to support the NL? Not tons of schools can even keep up with that. and truthfully, I think you all are just rebuilding after two great years. I’m a little surprised about the recruiting because I thought Norvel was good at that.

[@powell4661]

​@@WilliamDeemerrecruiting takes work. Shopping on the NIL takes money and smarts.

[@Big_homielander]

Isn't this what broke the Big12?

[@leroybrown-coco]

Do that then Miami will want more money. If you make things lopsided then this is just the start.

[@TheWorldTurntle]

Programs like Miami and UNC would also benefit from an unequal revenue sharing model…

[@williamsheen837]

ESPN wants this deal and is forcing the ACCs hand

[@ronaldburkins-lv6xk]

Does the ACC really want to keep FSU now that “Miami’s back”??

[@WilliamDeemer]

OK, can we wait till the season is over before we anoint Miami the same team of the 80s and 90s? Heard this so many times over the last two decades that it gives me a headache.

[@ronaldburkins-lv6xk]

@@WilliamDeemer my bad, my sarcasm didn’t translate well. Miami is still the only ACC team to not win the conference championship. They are nothing but a one hit wonder until they show the us that they can win the conference championship multiple times. They may have bought their way into a conference championship (that still remains to be seen), but they will not be “back” until they can rule the conference like FSU and Clemson did for many years.

[@SurferRC]

Fsu at 0-3 still gets millions more views than miami at 3-0! So yes they still need fsu more than any school…

[@powell4661]

You cant walk to the Big10 without an invitation

[@thegravy42]

The guy with the Bears hat is giving me a headache.

[@richardbrookins5406]

I am sorry but Tom appears to have the mental capacity of a squirrel. Watching Bud try to explain it to him was painful but I think my Great Dane understands it now.

[@fortuitusbounce]

*whispers* guys, is tom "regarded"?

[@siva_archive6368]

Tom is silly

[@ivanolivares257]

Florida state and clemson should leave to Big 10, Big 12 or sec. To make more chaos in 2026. 🤣

[@WilliamDeemer]

Has there been any invitations or even backroom discussions about that? Given the state of college football I would not assume that you have a spot in either conference.

[@tatafreeman1]

I guarantee a lot of those viewers were there to watch them get drug up and down the field😂

[@SurferRC]

Its wild a winless fsu is still a top 10 viewership program!

[@MegaFrankgarcia]

No Thanks, they can go

[@anthonyburke3659]

Lol the excuses Miami is in the same conference as FSU and Clemson and they recruit with the Georgia's and OSU' of the world

[@goatiestgoat12]

Miami is a private school, and has loads of $$$, NIL is like 20 mil annually, FSU NIL is like 12 Mil!! Thats a big Difference, that being said, FSU has a top 10 NIL, and have done horrible with recruiting!!

[@Iron_Dad_Motors]

Tom’s mathematical literacy is non-existent.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Florida st an Clemeon not good at all this year. Do they think they could roll in sec or big 12. Not gonna hear much about acc teams leaving this season. Other then miami there isnt another major bowl or CFP team this acc season Miami might stumble an not finish top 12.. since florida st nightmare 0 an 3 start i havent heard a single word anywhere now that they leaving acc

[@stischer47]

At present, the ACC should pay FSU to leave, but who would take them? Sunbelt? Naw, not even them.

[@ivanolivares257]

🤣

[@martinrosario4018]

I’m convinced they were banking on running it back like last year to continue to have leverage but now that they are crap they have no leverage😂😂😂

[@langstondah7350]

Please go back to sleep. Just stick to watching the games while you drool. SEC FANS= MOUTH BREATHERS FBA/B1

[@SurferRC]

@@martinrosario4018lol clueless. Even winless fsu brings in the most views and $$$$$ 😂🤡🤦🏼‍♂️

[@martinrosario4018]

@@SurferRC well yeah because people love seeing a crap show especially after the way FSU acted in the off-season lol

[@susanmoss7938]

the odds that FSU and Clemson don't get into the SEC and the Big 10 have also increased. hope they enjoy the Big 12

[@langstondah7350]

Don't get mad because your program is trash! 😅😅😅😅😅😅 FBA/B1

[@krisschedler]

no way they want to go to Big 12. Truck stop U

[@drewperry69]

Why would teams like Louisville, NC State, and VT who allegedly have a home in the Big 12 take this deal? I just don’t see this working out unless ESPN agrees to pay FSU and Clemson more to keep this together

[@arronfrazier7873]

ESPN/ABC has the SEC. They are putting all their eggs in that basket! Why do I say that? If they want the ACC so bad, they would have opted into that 10 year extension in 2021. The ACC commissioners and higher ups agreed to extend the opt in date til 2025. Clemson, FSU, Miami and others would have never agreed to extend the opt in til 2025 for 10 more years.

[@jrbar]

people hate watching fsu

[@SurferRC]

But they all watch! Even winless fsu is still a top 10 viewership draw in the known universe

[@alpacalips3452]

no one wants a FSU that cant beat memphis or a dabo lead clemson team who wont use the portal xD lol good luck guys

[@kenshall10267]

fsu could lose every game all year ...has nothing to do with W and L...no matter what ...more people watch clemson and fsu in acc...and its not even close....50% ofbthe viewership comes from two teams...they should get 50 % of tv money...simple

[@Okefenokee_Nole]

If Clemson and FSU are so starved of funding by the ACC to the point of not being competitive with B1G and SEC programs, they become irrelevant (or at least much less relevant). If the ACC doesn’t have football programs that can compete with the B1G and SEC, it essentially becomes the Big East, AAC, “new” PAC, etc. and its next TV contract will be a fraction of its current deal that paid each school $45 million in 2023. ESPN has likely told the conference as much. It’s in every other ACC school’s best interest to be paid 50% of what Clemson and FSU are so the conference has relevant football programs, because it’s still 400% more than they would get if Clemson and FSU were not in the conference.

[@enriquecomas933]

Miami can throw a wrench in this also escape because they push the brand the farthest out of the 3. Especially if they are winning. If a ratings pot is developed, it will 100% benefit those top 4 (ND as well). I’m all for it, idk why Tom is lost here. Bud is 100% correct on why it came up again, the leverage is that the ACC knows they are the next Power 4 to be shut down.

[@hugolongjohnson5115]

Tom clearly hates Florida state, especially with that coward rant he went on last year, he is an Illinois fan who has never won a thing, jealousy is obvious. Use to like Tom until he acts like this.

[@edwardhughes9024]

Why would the ACC agree to not only give Clemson and Florida state more money and shorten the period of the grant of rights. They wouldn't. There is O chance this happens.

[@haileyk4383]

Another framing is if court proceedings are trending positively for FSU in Florida, why would ESPN risk having all GOR agreements invalidated by a judge?

[@arronfrazier7873]

@@haileyk4383 ESPN hasn't opted into the 10 extension that was supposed to be opted in or out in 2021 but the ACC official extended to 2025 without a vote by the schools. You really believe, FSU, Clemson, Miami and others who want to win in CFB would have voted to extend to 2025! Nope! Sign in 2021 or the tv rights end in 2026!

[@WilliamDeemer]

I don’t think it’s simply about giving Clemson or Florida State more money. There’s certain amounts that every school will contribute to a pool that will be distributed based on TV ratings.

[@TheWorldTurntle]

Did you… watch the video? Bud lays it out pretty clearly because Tom forced him to. The main goal of the ACC right now is to keep the current structure together for as long as possible. FSU/Clemson finding a way out whether it’s for $0 or a significantly reduced buyout from the originally proposed 570 million spells the end for the conference as that’s almost 40% of your viewership and other valuable brands would look to jump ship as well. The fact that they were open to discuss an unequal revenue sharing plan with FSU/Clemson when the ACC previously told them to kick rocks shows that the conference isn’t as confident about the legal situation as they were previously. FSU/Clemson have gained leverage

[@WilliamDeemer]

@@TheWorldTurntle I did watch, but probably was only halfway paying attention. So there’s not gonna be a pool of money contributed by every team in the league that will be then redistributed to the top schools who bring in the TV numbers? Or at least that’s the proposal as I thought they were discussing it.

[@Guthbox]

I’d be so embarrassed if I was Tom that this got posted as its own video… some of the dumbest commentary I’ve seen on the subject. Bud had to talk to him like he was a child😂

[@TreyNel010]

Love this podcast but wow can Tom be a clown lol. That dude amazes me at times.

[@omicroniii4907]

Tom is being intentionally obtuse because FSU fans hurt his feelings on Twitter.

[@Herb.streitWasRight]

It's fascinating to see the familiar delusion among FSU fans that convinced them the team, which was thoroughly beaten in the '23 Orange Bowl, would excel this year. It seems some of you never seem to grasp the lesson. 😂

[@kkadera]

It was apparent to everyone else that JordanTravis was providing ALL the magic.

[@langstondah7350]

God, SEC fans are stupid... FBA/B1

[@SurferRC]

@@kkaderaexcept they were 3-0 without him 😂🤡🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Herb.streitWasRight]

@@SurferRC Norvel is 2-11 without JT 😂🫵🏼🤡🫵🏼🤡

[@kkadera]

@@SurferRC Lol you wanna pretend those wins looked anything like the same team. Beating miamis 3rd string qb by 3pts. That was a skin-of-your-teeth season-save. Commendable, but it’s WHY there was no playoff spot. Not by any measure the same team. Keep your clown emoji for your own squad this year, you need it.

[@blindlemonjello]

11:34 because the Big 10 doesn't want FSU and the SEC doesn't need FSU.

[@kenshall10267]

Tom is not very smart...

[@luckuania8723]

Florida State fans are insanely delusional 🤦

[@teddillon7739]

Delusional about what? Certain school draw eyes win or lose. Teams have tough seasons. If FSU and Clemson are bad in the same season,then even less people are watching the ACC,which exposes the ACC and proves FSU and Clemson correct. ACC should have been protecting it's top brands all along. That is crystal clear. The SEC and the B1G did just that and it paid off in spades.

[@langstondah7350]

Another fan of a trash program... FBA/B1

[@luckuania8723]

@@langstondah7350 tbh I'm not much of a fan of any particular college team. But FSU is 0-3 😂

[@langstondah7350]

@@luckuania8723 And? We are also a blue blood program that went undefeated last year...what's your point? Again, yiure a fan of a trash program! Just admit it! 😆 FBA/B1

[@SurferRC]

@@luckuania8723fsu still brings the most $$$ to the acc even at 0-3! Thats what elite schools do…

[@cfbtalk07]

Tom so tired of buds bullshit. God please Tom go start another pod so I can stop listening to bud

[@donnierearden8334]

So you’re saying that FSU needs more money to beat Memphis & being competitive to other G5 schools … The only reason FSU is currently getting the ratings now is everyone is laughing at what of a joke program FSU has become & eventually the viewership goes away once FSU is only winning 2 to 4 games a year consistently

[@SurferRC]

🤡😂

[@themrjim1953]

they should pay florida state to leave

[@SurferRC]

Yes please!

[@TyListoe]

I think FSU and Clemson have nowhere to go but the XII

[@langstondah7350]

If think FSU doesn't have a handshake deal with the BIG then you're not very bright. SMDH FBA/B1

[@Crydes]

Tom is a clown. Can't watch cover 3 until he's gone anymore.

[@harryhoesch3793]

Who wants FSU, they suck'

[@SurferRC]

At 0-3 fsu us still a top 10 money bringer in the known college football universe

[@blindlemonjello]

14:16 Conference, there is no league