How The Backrooms Ruined Liminal Spaces

Liminal spaces are beautiful because of their emptiness and nuance. The liminal space aesthetic has a layer of simplicity and subtlety to it that makes it applicable to anyone. And, to be honest, the backrooms were faithful to this originally. The first post and the first small community around the backrooms kept the same energy that liminal spaces originally had. And I was happy. But now there's almond water, entities, and all this lore that only takes away from what made the backrooms special in the first place.
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[@cabrinius7596]

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[@Zinkquer]

i love that youtuber

[@_3y]

Same ​@@Zinkquer

[@oldsnaaake]

I think a lot of the Backrooms media misunderstands that the core concept of Liminal Horror isn't like, "oh look at this uneasy area, what if you get turbomurdered by Not-Slenderman in it". Like that's just all the nuance and spice of Liminal Spaces thrown out of the window in the interest of basically doing what SCP does. The spaces serve as a backdrop for writing an entity that is like super evil and spooky and whatnot and how is that even still Liminal Horror? Liminal Spaces have this incredible combo of nostalgia and confusion and isolation, and its something only few Backrooms articles seem to really get. The horror isn't to have some not-SCP be out there to murder you, it's spaces that evoke a feeling of having been there before, and yet feel so cold and empty, spaces that feel weird without anyone around because you usually remember seeing these places full of people and life but instead they're just blank, vacant, and besides noticing how massive and endless these places seem with no one around, they make you wonder where everyone went. Sometimes "nothing" is scarier than an actual scare, and in Liminal Spaces, that's what it should be all about.

[@Bloxer]

This is the best comment here. Perfectly written.

[@an_avidpanda_lover8349]

💯💯

[@cindychoo7]

Well said.

[@valthenvega2434]

Sometimes I like to separate it as a sort of conceptual liminality, and Backrooms cultural liminality. As a concept, of course, it is followed by the sensation you describe of loneliness, nostalgia, and emptiness. However, the cultural one is for me just the way things evolve on the internet. The backrooms is today a spooky entity experience, with almond water and memes, just like the past decade’s creepypasta stars went from lethal beings, from a supernatural environment, to becoming goth-like Yaoi anime-ish characters, Same way as FNAF fandoms, despite creating great fan games, also perverted the concept of possessed animatronics into a twisted teenage shipping fest. It’s just the way things are digested by the internet’s majority and the culture that lies predominant amongst the viewers. Fortunately, once the Backrooms reaches its sunset, liminality will thrive again as its own.

[@user-nk2pd1oo2p]

Eh, can't do much about it. More subtle horror always was less popular among the people.

[@vytrixstudios2184]

Its not the fact that "something" is there that makes it scary. Its the fact that "nothing" is there that makes it scary. Yet it somehow makes us feel...comfortable. It has a sense of peace and quiet there but at the same time you feel lonley and want someone or something to be there with you but you cant. You are alone.

[@neey3832]

sometimes when i am in my bed at night, i like to imagine if i was in one of these places, it's a totally different world, with uknown rules, structures and size. but one thing that remains is the loneliness. being alone in an unimaginable weird world that tries to copy our structures in some way but fails, like an error on the universe, a place we weren't supposed to be. i have the fear of being in this world forever, not being able to escape and doomed to roam all the rooms and structures forever not kowning what's next and how much time my sanity will lasts.

[@elJossu]

I think it makes us comfortable because in liminal space your alone which means theres also no one that can hurt or judge you. In a weird way your free. Mentally at least.

[@miguelespinosa80]

It's a dreamspace 😌☁ Full of empty promises. You are absolutely free... but at the cost of being absolutely alone... 😔

[@dumasu5453]

As a backrooms fan, I really miss this "old backrooms fandom" it feels like this was a decade ago and I wish we could go back to this really nice time

[@malice9240]

I remember being a backrooms fan beore the videos from Kane pixel. I remember there where only a few levels, my fav being the endless city. Or the classice yellow backrooms level 0. But all we got then, was a picture. But now its not the same. I do actually like the poolrooms, it just looks cool to me

[@zebulonreynaud919]

yeah i really miss the videos with endless yellow walls and nothing happening... the original backroom experience is a one hit experience. thanks god there is a lot of creator who have differents views and content about backrooms. i like most of them, when it's real content. but i agree skin stealer, smilers and all the cartoonish creepy pasta shit need to go lmao, but some creatures are really cool, like in the one the level 232 of ruster who is terrific.

[@usualdosage7287]

Before the backrooms blew up, when it was this niche, specific feeling that was shared by a few of us

[@tails183]

When there was only one room, then the main 12, then it just went mental....

[@axeslinger94]

@@usualdosage7287 Community exclusivity on the internet is unrealistic. It's just giving hipster, like what is the need? I was around back when it was the original Level 0 in the games and nothing more. Now years later, all of this. The first time a fandom that has no overt political messaging in an age so saturated with it and zero results, no racism, no weirdos or other problematic/disgusting people in it, and the moment someone adds an entity to one of the videos, y'all throw it out with the bath water. I beg of you, please let people enjoy things. It's gone downhill to you, but it really hasn't for many people. I'm a Black person. It is has become a small oasis of a respite from the world at large and a creative channel for various feelings, please let people have this while it lasts. Not everything has to be ruined as a whole because you and the others here don't like it. There are so many great short films without entities and more interesting storylines to partake in if you care to not give up on it as a whole.

[@FreeTaurus1]

I used to love the original Backrooms lore. Because ''entities'' was NOT that common. monsters in the original backrooms lore was extremely rare to encounter. This is my main problem with backrooms games today because they keep throwing entities every 5 meters away to you with a limited run time that last 5 sec. It totally scrap the concept of liminal spaces.

[@scottish_lunatic]

yes, you are absolutely correct. just like what gargin said (the guy who created the gargatron nextbot) liminal spaces arent scary when theres a giant shadowy figure chasing after you screaming down your back

[@pewpewxdx12]

Yeah

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

Kane Pixels' series really messed up the backrooms lore.

[@scottish_lunatic]

@@ukaszwalczak1154 his series was really well made but it did kinda start the entity era of the backrooms

[@LostWanderer12]

I am making Backrooms videos. But like without monsters and more Liminal Spaces

[@aethersword7823]

That's why I really don't consider any "entities" to even be anything, what I like about liminal spaces is the feel of emptiness and loneliness, with only the potential of not being alone, the same fear of when you're alone in the dark, that's why I just bat an eye from any "lore" to the backrooms, not everything needs lore, the fear of the place itself is already what makes it good.

[@garfield4748]

Yes! Exactly. All the “entities” and overwhelming amounts of lore kind of ruined liminal spaces for me.

[@umbrellasquid9669]

Completely agree, I hate the entities. Backrooms has become SCP

[@caprifoliaceousConfectioner]

i'm not fond of entities or creatures either, though they can be very interesting through design choices. i think putting them in an area like the backrooms or any other liminal space just kills the vibe and overall meaning. i love looking at a liminal space image and just feeling absolutely uncomfortable, to the point where i can't sit still in my seat. the fear of not knowing what is there and isn't there, is much more impactful than knowing what is there.

[@aethersword7823]

​@@caprifoliaceousConfectioner the concept of entities would have fit if the backrooms were a story kind of horror, not an environment kind of horror, like SCP, they fit more as a story kind of horror (except their problem is that there's no consistency since there's no canon).

[@contorta960]

Nah, enough loneliness in my real life. I get it's interesting but ultimately boring if there is nothing that can happen. You're literally just alone somewhere, just like reality. As someone with social anxiety, i.e a LOT of time alone I'm just bordened by this feeling. Add an entity to randomly pop out and get a rush. The space does capture some dreamlike elements and as far as immersive sims go, these videos remind me of the original Deus Ex. I like that. Overall they are repetitive and too limited and if loneliness doesn't bother you it gets to be a nothing feeling.

[@LTLBproductions]

I always separated the back rooms community and the liminal space community. Didn’t even dawn on me that people would begin to confuse the two.

[@lefishe809]

Same finally who talks about this

[@masseffects]

At first I had no problems with entities, in fact I liked the idea of ​​some levels in the Backrooms having them, but as time went on entities became overused and levels without them became rarer and rarer. This ended up ruining the Backrooms, along with the absurd amount of colonies and "civilizations" within the levels. What made the Backrooms uncanny and even terrifying were 3 things imo: 1. You're trapped in an infinite place. 2. MAYBE there is something else in that place that wants to kill you. 3. Your paranoia, combined with the loneliness and infinity of that place progressively destroy your sanity.

[@coffeecaim2527]

You put my thoughts into words. Completely agree

[@jirifr6165]

yeah exactly my thoughts

[@steamtasticvagabond474]

4. Is there anything to eat here?

[@sandrahughes1004]

along with this, u finally get a hope that there is something with you here even if it wants to kill you, you've already gone insane and just want to see another lifeform... thats why in my verison the entitys are rare and most of them just stalk and trick you, and the partygoers will kill but are rarer

[@MrAnthonyIII]

I feel the same. I started reading the Backrooms Wiki because I was hoping for liminal spaces, but nearly all of them had traders and cults and societies and a million crytid-like entities that M.E.G. studied in detail. There's none of the mystery or unsettling sense of isolation anymore

[@ceratozillarex]

In my opinion I don't think the addition of "entities" and "levels" was necessarily a bad thing, heck in the original post about the backrooms there was implied to something out there in the great expanse of the backrooms, it's just that there's waaaaayyy too much of those now.

[@pizzaslice3891]

Nothing is more scarier than a backrooms overpopulated with entities but if entities were this rare occurance and sightings type stuff that would be even more scarier than nothing. It’s so big that there’s basically nothing with you but you can never be sure.

[@ceratozillarex]

@@pizzaslice3891 yeah that's what I'm thinking! basically liminal space cryptids that no one knows if they're actually real or not, giving the backrooms some tangible threat whilst still retaining the desolation, mystery and eeriness it once had.

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

The original implication of entities or monsters was vague and subtle. It wasn't about big monsters chasing you, it was about isolation in an unknown area/s. It played into the fear of the unknown very well but that simple concept is so lost now with everyone trying to add in monsters or rules and lore and explain everything, when the beauty of it was there was no explanation. I hate to shit on people's creativity because some of the ideas are interesting but at the same time by adding lore and specifics is completely missing the point of what this type of horror is.

[@Sanquinity]

@@ceratozillarex They should have taken a page out of F.E.A.R.'s book. Where Alma could sometimes be heard giggling or crying nearby but never be there, or where you might see a shadow or a glimpse of her figure running behind a corner and when you go round the corner she's gone. And you'd have short hallucinations from time to time about some horror scene that happened in the place you're standing. THAT kind of "entity" would fit the backrooms far better than actual monsters chasing and killing you.

[@bluchismoon]

​@@Sanquinity I honestly hope some backrooms creator does implement those ideas into their work, cause that would be truly scary.

[@Breadknees_]

I think that the *expansion* of the backrooms has both ruined and made liminal spaces better, in different aspects. The original backrooms image is what got a lot of us into the whole “backrooms-liminal-spaces” thing and sparked a growth within the community, but at the same time like what was mentioned in the video, I feel it’s been ruined by all the lore. It was such a simple yet cosmically horrifying concept, stuck in a place you literally fell into while going about your day, with no escape and an ambiguity about whether or not you’re alone. With all these new levels it’s just “okay what entity is in THIS level” and while some of the concepts are great, others really… are not. I feel like every time someone looks at a liminal space there’s always a little voice in the back of their mind going “this could be a backrooms level” or “this probably IS a backrooms level”, and it ruins the concept in a way, I feel. Liminal spaces always loop back to the backrooms it seems, and the two seem to go hand in hand, which should not be the case. Yes, they’re the same kind of concept but not every liminal space is a backrooms level and not every backrooms level could be considered a liminal space. I love both concepts equally and I’m definitely not trying to gatekeep, but I feel like the two should be branded as their own things.

[@salaartariq2103]

faccs

[@an_avidpanda_lover8349]

Personally, I liked the idea of the backrooms better when there wasn’t some “entity” intent on ripping you apart, or eating your face, or whatever else. I preferred when there wasn’t an entity, but you had that looming feeling that there was something there with you, but you always just barely missed it when you entered a new room, or rounded a new corner.

[@Breadknees_]

@@an_avidpanda_lover8349 totally agree

[@miguelespinosa80]

@@an_avidpanda_lover8349 True, me too.

[@loonavalentine2848]

Something I heard a long time ago and that I think applies perfectly to the Backroom is this: "It's not the thing that's bad, it's the overindulgence of it". Not all the levels and monsters and stuff for the backrooms nowadays is bad, but there is WAY too much of it :(

[@ludwigvan6536]

Yea that’s a good point. It feels like people got bored or desensitized to the original backrooms concept and that’s how it just kept spiraling with all the levels and entities and crazy shit. Like, people just needed more. Which is too bad because the original concept is so existential and timeless.

[@RandomGuy-gp4qz]

I just like the liminal ones

[@greenbean882]

I like the liminal space levels And the first 12 entities. I think that people aren’t giving the entities enough credit. But the fandom gives them too much credit. I think the monsters should be just how the levels are L I M I N A L Hounds and Skin Stealers are liminal monsters. Otherworldly yet familiar. Kane Pixels Howler/Bacteria: otherworldly yet familiar. See where I’m getting at here. With moderation on entities and how they look and function the problem wouldn’t be near as bad. I hate when people dunk on entities for ruining the backrooms, when they don’t Even having a meter on how many entities are in a level is a cool concept. People need to realize that change is good. 2 levels doesn’t really add much to the imagination. And having infinity ♾ levels wouldn’t be so bad if ♾ minus 25 were bad levels.

[@ChrisH0Y]

I've been thinking about the creation of a "Game" called "The Backrooms - Liminal" In this game, you explore a recently vacated building in the real world - doing a "explore abandoned location" video to post on KZbin. As you shoot the video, you stumble upon an office area that looks like level 00, filled with furniture that hasn't been moved out yet. There are desks with computers, open file cabinets, stuff packed in half-filled boxes etc. As you travel further in, there is less and less furniture, computers on the floor, extension cords still plugged in - until you are in completely empty yellow rooms... just like the photograph... Looking at your watch, time is getting short, and you turn to leave the way you came.... except... well... you know... your journey has begun. There are no monsters, or hostile environments... no harm comes to you, and all your basic needs are mysteriously met (you find food and water, provisions are provided, and temperature is just right). You are on a journey using the best graphic engines and A.I... The game will ask serious questions, and the A.I. will create... - all the amazing, strange, and isolated Liminal Worlds taylored to YOU as you discover and walk the bridge of your past and future self. Do you remember Journey? A game a little bit like that - but with Liminal Spaces.

[@AbandonedVoid]

I tried to convince a friend of mine to work with me to make a backrooms game that was essentially a procedurally generated maze, somewhat inspired by the technical aspects of SCP containment breach but trying to capture more of the feeling of an ambient exploration game. He told me that nobody would want to play something like that. :c

[@scottish_lunatic]

@@AbandonedVoid you could probably ask another friend or if you have a sibling ask them, they might be interested in it.

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@scottish_lunatic It's mostly a question of 3D art and I don't know anyone else experienced with it. Apparently they're a precious commodity in the indie game making scene. There are plenty of coders like me out there that are willing and able to commit to a project, but artists are in short supply and justifiably picky about who they work with. I'd learn art myself, but I'm just not a very artistically minded person (iow, I'm so bad that I could never learn) and I don't know anyone who would make time for something like this. That's alright, though. Sometimes things just don't work out

[@scottish_lunatic]

@@AbandonedVoid guess im stupid

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@scottish_lunatic Hey, be kind to yourself. It was a good point that was worth my time to address. You shouldn't beat yourself up. You're the one person you can always depend on to be by your side. If you still want to improve yourself, you will go further by being gentle. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but you can't grow if you keep beating yourself down. Take some time to list some things you're thankful for in life and try to remember to breathe and enjoy the little things. Life is hard enough. You don't have to make it harder on yourself.

[@StarMarine1084]

Personally, I just separate the backrooms into 2 groups, 1 is the normal liminal space with 0 monsters and the 2 is the one with levels and stuff. I enjoy both, they got their own charm ig Though I enjoy group 1 significantly more since let's be real, the other just makes the backrooms look like dollar store SCP lmao

[@zebulonreynaud919]

i enjoy the 2 too, except the roblox/gmod bs

[@bullettime1116]

having one doesnt hurt when it was implied in the op to have something, the issue is when you add too much shit and remove all the mystery

[@user-nk2pd1oo2p]

Objective opinion!

[@MeanBeanComedy]

THANK YOU!! I thought I was the only one! 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@rinkooo6006]

Personally, I love the eeriness of the backrooms by themselves (like, image-wise). I think the whole entities thing ruins it for me, and how the Backrooms have almost been turned into a “game” of sorts with the monsters and items. It’s almost scarier if you’re walking through an empty space for miles and the suspense of just waiting for something to jump out at you is scarier than, like, a giant moth or dog person.

[@donglongjohn5456]

I like entities, but there are too many of them there to common

[@bullettime1116]

the original thing with the backrooms involved "no-clipping" it was game-like since conception

[@gamingchickenstudios]

Exactly!

[@thestickopia4619]

This is why I separate liminal spaces and the backrooms, and by extension, backrooms with entities and backrooms without entities into their own things. Seperatiing them so you have both just makes it more enjoyable.

[@lucinate]

I love liminal spaces, but it feels like the Backrooms is now so overused for content that it makes me feel like it has lost its original feeling. Some of the media stemming from it can be interesting, but when I constantly see Backrooms plastered everywhere, it just doesn't /feel/ liminal anymore

[@DSnapf]

I agree. Nothing kills the immersion of a nice liminal space game or video quite like a sudden gratuitous reference to a Backrooms location. I'd be fine with it if they used the name "the Backrooms" because then I'd expect to see familiar Backrooms locations. But more often than not, they present their exploration series as new and original, and then they suddenly go through a door and find a location like the yellow wallpaper hallway that everyone else has already recreated. It's tiring at this point.

[@dandelion138]

Personally, I personally think that the original backrooms was nice. Being forgotten is scary on its own. The thought of sitting on stained carpet, waiting for someone to see you is spine chilling.

[@BlairBryngelson]

But what about you personally?

[@user-zc6fk9mi8g]

this is why my favourite game is the complex: found footage, it has no enemies, no monsters, no real horror, just the spaces

[@najpotenicewolf934]

For me, liminal spaces kinda give a similar feeling to when you get lost for a minute in an unknown area as a kid. The house of a relative you don't visit very often. Or supermarket. Or when you get lost in school for so long that lessons have begun and hallways are empty (it happened to me a few times as a child). Everything is big, you're confused and scared. You don't know what lies ahead or where to go to find your family. As a child, I had quite a lot of dreams of getting lost, as what my mind generated was very similar to liminal spaces.

[@AbandonedVoid]

As someone that's always felt like an outcast and outsider, the "out of place" and empty nature of liminal spaces actually feel really homey to me. It's as if the spaces themselves "get" me. They just feel like where I belong.

[@Mortablunt]

I feel this. One of my favorite things to do to conclude a days go get dinner and then drive something I called the Phantom Road. For whatever reason if I take a particular sequence of turns on a drive from an intersection in my town I always wind up going to the same sequence of roads over again so it’s kind of like a private little backrooms in the real world. I can be lost him liminal isolation with an album or a podcast or even just my thoughts fof however long I want and then I just turn on my navigation to get home. I have a bother trying to figure out what the streets are exactly because I feel like I would murder the fun.

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@Mortablunt I feel a little less lonely hearing this. Thank you for sharing. I take some solace knowing that I'm connected through solitude to many others who feel the same way

[@Yomomma1467]

Same🥲for me it was my local Kmart/chuck e cheese(since they are connected)summer2007-2013 my mom and I getting little Caesars from the inside around 11:30am- good times🥲

[@miguelespinosa80]

When I was younger (👴) I had some semi-lucid dreams in which I biked or walked though a cloudy forest or empty grassy and windy hills at dawn or an empty city at night 😌🌌 I felt so calm 😌... but also so lonely and nostalgic 😔 This song expresses these feelings very well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJCul3tonbaVaZo

[@WaterYoshi]

I really like Liminal Spaces, they are really cool, and mind blowing for me, seeing the backrooms before it imploded was interesting for me, and then when it became insanely popular, at first it was awesome and then it felt too much, sigh I miss the old days of liminal spaces and backrooms.

[@FireTheNuclearMissiles]

Exactly. I remember seeing the first Backrooms 'creepypasta'. Weirded me out

[@mapes2572]

liminal spaces remain the same

[@WaterYoshi]

@@mapes2572 Absolutely its still thriving but now backrooms hasnt recovered from it since then, no offense to Kane Pixels, he is an awesome artist, but I didnt expect it to blow up this BIG.

[@WaterYoshi]

@@FireTheNuclearMissiles Yeah I heard of them, haven't paid as much attention to the creepypasta ones just the youtube videos before Kane's video blew up.

[@thebuilder5271]

Having monsters in the backrooms just completely changes the vibe of liminal spaces. The whole point was that no living thing was there. I do like the backrooms since it has resulted in more liminal space art, games, stories, videos, etc. but I don’t like when they add the creatures lol. Though I do think liminal spaces or other surreal settings are good in horror, like “I’m thinking of ending things” and “Vivarium”. Also my medication makes me “liminal dream” instead of falling fully asleep before entering REM. I didn’t know there was a word for it!

[@walter8025]

I think the wikis take on the concept is very fun. taking the concept and turning it into an open world metaverse with so much to explore. I think it need less monsters tho :p

[@WEIRDpoi]

this guy knows what he’s talking about

[@pewpewxdx12]

ENTITIES *angry backroom nerd noise

[@valletas]

My problem with the backrooms entities is that it just seen too hopeless for humanity 2 of the friendly entities were completely exterminate in the frowners and the party poopers and the humanoid entities (i forgot their name) are mostly friendly but their children can and will be agressive to humans Most entities that are still alive and are helpfull to humans are more gods then just normal creatures Jerry, the woman of the garden, kitty etc

[@miguelespinosa80]

@@valletas They are practically copy-pasted from SCP 😕 And liminal spaces fit a lot more with psycological matters and/or mild cosmic and existential horror.

[@valletas]

@@miguelespinosa80 the thing is i really like the levels themselfs and the idea of this crazy labirynth being out there thats basically an old school dungeon crowler video game My problem is exclusively with how hopelessly the entities are for no reason Evil entities are fine but man just let there be some good entities as well so it doesnt look like humanity is doomed to fail from the start

[@tabitharainesmusic]

It got much too complex. I started to notice it too the deeper I delved into the backrooms, and it was kinda a turn off for me. What I initially loved about the concept was how unknown everything was. The thought of being alone (forever?) in the backrooms, never to see another face again, was terrifying. It doesn't need anything else. I'm okay with the different levels, but the lore is what starts to mess it up for me. The monsters take away from the fear aspect. Because it destroys the eerie loneliness of being trapped in the backrooms, and replaces it with a cheap jump scare story that only distracts from what makes the backrooms so scary to begin with. I'm aware that the original post did mention a possible monster, so this was really an inevitable outcome for the backrooms. But it's just become so complex now, with all of the lore. Simplicity, is often times what works best for creating a scary concept. And that's what the original backrooms had, in my honest opinion.

[@miguelespinosa80]

It was just the hint of something that might be lurking. Not necessarily a monster, it could even just be your own paranoia 😵‍💫 It lets your own imagination to fill the gaps and that's a lot more horryfiying... than a cheap jumpscare-people-eating monster 😕

[@tabitharainesmusic]

@@miguelespinosa80 couldn't agree more 👍

[@zackwumpus9364]

if you extract the basic laws and ideas everything becomes just an extension

[@Dieci-9]

I honestly agree, it's the unfortunate situation where a media becomes famous among a young audience. People checking it tend to quickly make it edgier and edgier and honestly, I don't like how at some point the "backrooms" idea became that there are thousands of levels each one with one or more bootleg-SCPs ready to maim you, trap you or help you. I wouldn't use the term sanctity for them but definitely it feels like a medium that shines the most when the person is interacting with it alone and with the certainty that there are no monsters hidden or roaming waiting to hunt them down. It feels a bit more introspective to me, like people start projecting their fears or letting the environments awaken emotions and memories old and new. This doesn't mean that I hate what they did with it and as a matter of fact I like what some of the shorts did with them injecting new lore like it was a government experiment went wrong and that the space itself while devoid of other creatures might be alive.

[@nibirbaishnabchannel4650]

even adults make joke content of backrooms

[@paleskins]

I hate the fact that liminal spaces are now just turned to stuff like “back rooms level 292992.552 with 100 entities” when I just wanted to associate memories that i find comfort in and nostalgia in

[@izzydarkhart4144]

I always felt limited spaces/backrooms as comforting and nostalgic. I feel the younger generation look at these as an alien plane of existence with no nostalgia and something to be feared. They can not truly understand the 80s and 90s and fear it.

[@miguelespinosa80]

The worse is that they don't find that fear in their own subconscious, but in a cheap jumpscare-people-chasing monster 😕

[@wolfgang5o1]

The dreaded fear of loneliness was lost when entities were added.

[@XquizetBlix]

Correction: The Backrooms' community ruined it. Every level of The Backrooms is extremely liminal (or at least to me), but its community could have respected it instead of turning it into an obsession. That's why the SCP Foundation is for lol

[@DaltonHBrown]

I agree. Liminality is so much more than a feeling of creepiness or terror. We mostly speak of liminality in terms of places or "spaces." But periods of our lives can embody liminality as well. The week(s) leading up to a marriage, birth or an expected death of a loved one. Its the time after what was and what is to come. Singleness to married, childless to parenthood, being with a loved one to no longer having them around. Smaller life events can be liminal as well, the week after finals but before school has officially let out for the summer. Summer break itself would be a liminal time for those of school age. You are in that transition, the threshold if you will, of one state in life to the next. People have got the concepts intertwined, and its easy to see why. Many photos or paintings that invoke feelings of liminality can be mistaken for a feeling of terror. And that's exactly the feeling the backrooms invokes. This is because its a common feeling that most people talk about. We all have experienced it, but most dont call it by the name "liminality." The Backrooms are a great example of internet mythology or folk legend. But we shouldn't let it be the descriptor of the concept of liminality.

[@orbic521]

I agree with all of this. It seems that liminal space and the backrooms are becoming a bit diluted with the concepts of entities and "horror." Liminal spaces weren't just generic creepy places. They were complex. Dreamlike. You'd feel a rush of nostalgia, wanting to go back to these times the images depicted, a wave of unease, but also a spark of comfort and familiarity. Almost like.. you had died and you were reliving some empty recreations of your memories and dreams. It's a complex concept I don't think their more mainstream depictions understand at all. ..However.. I don't think Kane Pixels or his series is one of these things that misunderstand the Backrooms. Sure, the countless things that have spun off and are popularized from it may, but the series itself? I don't think so. If you go back and really watch some of the videos, so much time is really dedicated to exploring these strange, dreamy environments. It doesn't even have levels, just different areas as part of the naturally unnatural environment. The stuff with humans and sci-fi are just a means to an end; the way humans would find an alternate reality such as this and how they would react to it. The focus, in my opinion, is still the backrooms. So much of the mystery and intrigue and issues arise from how it warps reality. The monsters in the series.. really aren't that big a part of it. They cause the most deaths, sure, and are the most to do with "horror." But they're so tastefully and sparingly used, that I can actually appreciate them. They interest me, aren't over the top ridiculous in concept, feel fitting for the environment, and don't intrude on the liminality, I think. I think every interaction with them is earned. A lot of.. very questionable things arose from Kane Pixel's series becoming so mainstream that miss the point of the backrooms and liminal space. But I don't think the series itself is in the wrong, and I look forward to the movie ^^

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

What you said at the end is so true. Kane is so creative and just making art and a story, there is nothing wrong with taking a concept and creating your own interpretation. The issue is 100% how people interact with the media. Kane's story isn't official lore or should be treated as the start and end, but people don't understand this so they take his interpretation of the concept, over saturate it and completely miss use the art itself. Kane's monsters are so overused and poorly handled in other media that honestly it feels fucking insulting that this kid worked and carefully crafted this awesome art just for people to copy paste his ideas and run them into the ground. Instead of looking at his work and getting inspired to make their own unique story exploring literally anything, people just take half baked ideas and superficially copy one another. This happens with so much on the internet its just sickening how people overblow something to the point its lost it's original meaning.

[@orbic521]

@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura Yes, I feel that exact sentiment greatly. It's sad. But it's good to know there's people who see the series for what it really is :)

[@kostan55]

@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura I agree with your statement that Kane's monsters are overused. The first time I saw the monster itself, I thought that it was a very cool and creative approach to what could inhabit the Backrooms. But then, it started being known as THE backrooms monster, to the point where it just lost its uniqueness.

[@YummyCvmmy]

You know it's over when they add monster to it

[@Tarli_Marli]

Backrooms have killed the liminal space Backrooms have killed the liminal space In my mind and on YT, it’s too late now so just leave it beeee

[@Uranium-ko1hu]

Agreed, when you know something is hunting you the game turns into cat and mouse. However when you have no idea if you’re alone or not it adds a layer of fear which cat and mouse doesn’t.

[@GDcelta]

i started disliking the backrooms ever since people started canonizing those silly monsters, like omg, i hate them SO MUCH

[@Timer_Is_On]

15:20 topic of the clickbait title starts

[@solangebatista4277]

People now say any liminal space is "the backrooms"

[@Cheerful__1]

The real backrooms should not even have levels it’s should just be random liminal spaces and makes you go insane

[@salaartariq2103]

yes your right i even have a concept of a story where team of people are trying to create a wiki on the backrooms because their stuck there however it soon started making the team go insane due to the backrooms having no clear place on what is the same level or what is a different 1 2 the point where it made the team go insane as to what is the same or what is different and it started alot of incidents and combined with some of the team members either quitting dying or worse trapped in a fate worse than death made the remaining team decided to discontinue the wiki because they realise you can't just make an overly-long wiki with thousands of everything in a dimension where there is no clear path or rules just random spaces with their own incomprehensible layout's,origins,entities and anything or just a simple liminal space where it's just an area that you roam around either 1 that represents the places you used to go 2 with other people that has now lost it's purpose or an area so confusing so wrong so fake that it never seems to never had a purpose to begin with like how it should be

[@ethanhawksley9097]

Lame. “Oooohhhh it makes you go insaaaaannnnnee!!”

[@Cheerful__1]

@@ethanhawksley9097 I mean like you see hallucinations

[@SweetToothInc]

@@ethanhawksley9097 It’s realistic. Literally being stuck somewhere void of life your brain will start to conjure hallucinations and will be nearly impossible to differentiate between real and fake. Inevitably driving you insane That’s why people locked in solitary confinement for a long time end up crazy

[@Austin-5098]

What is that pfp lmao

[@anneidevdl]

I have no issue with the "new fandom" using the opportunity to be creative and expand upon the lore. It, to me, is a beautiful community art project. I love the old backrooms and liminal spaces as well and do personally prefer them to the new-age backrooms, but I think the two can coexist as both valid pieces of art and the existance of one does not negate the existance of the other or make that one less enjoyable.

[@oldestdreamja]

in my opinion, it would be much better for the backrooms to be actually empty- no entities, no dangerous hazards, just pure, utterly creepy liminal spaces. the monsters we percieve to live there is just our mind filling in the horror that the backrooms induces. there was no monsters. just us, a room, shadows, and creepy noises. it could just be a pure psychological horror, one that is only in the mind. when in truth, it's really just a much creepier and empty counterpart of the world. horror doesn't need actual monsters. it's something that can induce a strange or particular feeling of eerieness. backrooms is something that can be just liminal spaces, interconnected by a strange system that as time goes on, becomes more familar, but the strangeness of it's nature never gets old. it can be about the nature of "being alone" and how do we FEEL alone. the loneliness, etc idk, I'm just an abstract thinker. tldr: backrooms can adapt to the concept of being alone, and adapting of places full of nostalgia and the feeling something is going wrong or about to be wrong, when nothing's really happening and you are perfectly safe. the monsters are really just the imagination and it's harmless.

[@bibiruba8821]

The problem are not the backrooms but the fact that they are not scary anymore

[@catsoncrack6859]

The backgrooms are scary because of the factor of the unknown and what may be lurking around, but it just gotten out off hand and half of the “monsters” are goofy , the backrooms needs so serious quality control

[@ReusableRocket]

The Backrooms, like the interior design, has become incredibly mundane in recent years. I still think liminal spaces are still cool and weird or whatever, but the backrooms is like that child no one wanted but has to deal with anyway. I thought the original creepypasta was neat, and Kain Pixel's series was imaginative and scary. Ever since people began expanding on the lore as if it was the SCP Foundation has made it oversaturated in every way. I swear every entry now is just "Level -31415926535897932384626: the BATHROOMS!!1!" I could go on and on about the backrooms but there's probably already several other comments that dive deep into everything about the backrooms-foundation-cinematic-multiverse-fnaf timeline-of the spacetime continuum or whatever, but I'm too lazy to and I have to be doing more productive things like playing bad roblox games.

[@engineergaming3]

engineer gaming

[@notjebbutstillakerbal]

(Robot Rock)

[@shortycareface9678]

I'm one of those people who usually do not find liminal space "creepy". I think it has to do with the being autistic and easily overwhelmed by sensory stimuli and crowds of people. I love going on late walks when there's no one else around, for that reason. Life is also full of stress and uncertainty these days, so tbh, escaping to an alternate dimension where there's only me would be a welcome change of pace (haha). I don't mind the extender backrooms lore, in and of itself, though. I think it's a cool, stand-alone concept.

[@DSnapf]

I 100% agree. The Backrooms was a cool concept, but it has oversaturated exploration media so thoroughly that it's nearly impossible to find exploration games and videos that have original locations and don't unnecessarily tie back into The Backrooms.

[@Man-98765]

We need a remake of the backrooms but without the entities and the people and the items esc. Keep all the levels but they'll only be defined by their names, pictures, and a brief description. That way it'll make people want to find out more.

[@woottastic]

For some reason people can't be scared without the concept of "spooky monster" Like, isolation is fucking terrifying, even moreso than being chased by a spooky scary

[@jolo6051]

I can't be the only one that thinks that liminal spaces are actually pretty relaxing, right? Like, if you were having a rough week, maybe everything is just going wrong... Just for one day, I'd like to go to a place outside of known time and space and just roam liminal spaces with no one else around. Roam a world in which is empty and has no problems and is simply content with existing and nothing more. A world that reminds you of all the life that is supposed to be there and isn't. A world that comforts you where you know that it is just you and your thoughts. A world where you can say anything, you can say the most offensive thing, you can scream at the top of your lungs... and the only thing to ever hear you is yourself and the walls in which you roam. It listens and never judges. Unbiased, unprejudiced, free of conflict. A world where, just for a brief time, is entirely my own to occupy with no one else but me and the walls that surround me. And then, when the day is up, I return to the real world like I was never gone... Rejuvenated and ready to face a world that is full of something - problems.

[@an_avidpanda_lover8349]

The Backrooms itself is fine and interesting in my opinion. The problem is that people tend to lob The Backrooms and Liminal Spaces into the same category when they are not the same thing. They have a similar feel to one another sure, but they aren’t the same.

[@taviamemories3087]

what made the original backrooms so great, was that its entire lore was simply that it was a place full of things that didnt make it to reality. randomly placed assets and environments that simply didnt get used in our reality. its like walking around in a developer's cut content harddrive. because of its nature of being unused and thus without purpose, it didnt care if you were there or not. it didnt care what you did while you were there. it didnt care, period, because it wasnt capable of caring, it just "was" and that is what makes it liminal. modern backrooms has so much lore and detailed driven into it, that every ounce of "unused" is gone. everything in the modern backrooms not only has a purpose, but has rules on how to function. it was never supposed to function, it was just supposed to "be".

[@PizzaRollsCowboy]

Totally thought this was gonna be another “the over-complication of the lore makes the backrooms lose what made it scary in the first place” take, but I think what you had to say about it was way more insightful. I’m really glad some people are starting to come away from the hype of the backrooms, myself included, to instead explore what makes liminal spaces in general so sublime and intriguing.

[@KiwiLuvsPieOfficial]

I love the new backrooms as a concept, but not so much as a liminal space concept anymore. I think it can exist as its own things because it really is cool what people have done with it, but the idea of liminal spaces/liminal horror is something other then the new backrooms.

[@ShinnyTovs]

i enjoy both! The concept of the "NEW BACKROOMS" is really what i have asked for for my entire life! A terrifying but nostalgic places and sceneries where theres full of danger and unknown properties. (Thanks to Broogli my love for backrooms rised) But i hate the "KZbin KIDS BACKROOMS" Like wtf? And Liminal Spaces really gives me nostalgia. I love both and i yearn for more.

[@squishyboi1179]

It feels Like I can’t see a liminal space without someone making the 12333838383rd backrooms level out of it.

[@comedylyfe2113]

Liminal spaces aren't ruined, just the backrooms

[@zebulonreynaud919]

this is not ruin, it's a masterpiece. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHvYqGyKj9uMgK8&ab_channel=Ruster

[@googy_boogy]

and they added SpongeBob in the backrooms. good job 👏

[@SimulationSimulacrum]

Why can’t we have a non monster liminal game with empty malls and Backrooms type things. Like emptied out rooms when you’re waiting for your parents to pick you up from school.

[@sponge5196]

Check out The Complex games. They are Backrooms games focused on the liminal aspect.

[@zebulonreynaud919]

each content creator have he's own backroom univers, some are funny, some are scary, some are relaxing, some are just weird or just a new experience. i't's impossible to ruin backroom or liminal spaces in general, there is too many of them.

[@Jadenette11111]

In my personal opinion, the best way to experience liminal space is to listen to Mice on Venus since MoV is a Minecraft soundtrack and one of the first. This causes nostalgia and as well as confusion since MoV is not just one theme.

[@kiwioke9511]

I very much like liminal spaces and the backrooms but i appreciate them in different ways. I think a lot of people ive met hold the same perspective. Even though there are a lot of levels in the backrooms, some do focus on liminality and those typically are my favorites. The backrooms have become a huge phenomenon but there still is a very large community that just likes liminal spaces. I like to visit the liminalspace subreddit sometimes

[@ZeallustImmortal]

Wow, that transition into just straight up poetry was so smooth

[@otakubullfrog1665]

When I was a kid, my family would often visit a state park and I'd go off exploring while my parents set up the barbeque. There was an area off the beaten path that had a bunch of swimming pools next to each other that were always drained in the off-season. I'm sure that now they'd fence them in or otherwise close them off for safety (especially because they didn't have ladders or any obvious way to climb out of them), but you could just walk around them freely back then and nobody else would ever be there because they had no reason to be. For some reason, I always felt drawn to that part of the park even though everything about it felt wrong and unsettling.

[@hotlinehornz4020]

I really like your narration, you have a very nice voice (sorry if that sounds weird). Super underrated channel.

[@Sanquinity]

I've experienced a liminal space trice in my life so far. First time was exiting a forest into a small meadow. There were a few other people here and there, but the wind was quiet, the birds and such weren't singing there, and everything just had a very eerily silent feeling to it. Second time was at my old apartment. It looked out over a busy intersection, but some nights between 3 and 5 am it would be dead silent except for the ticking of the crosswalk stoplights. Last time was at my first night shift job at a mall the first few nights I went home. Where the entire mall would just be empty and quiet, even though normally there would be a lot of people talking and walking around. For me it was this weird feeling that reality had just shifted a little, or that I was in a dream-like state of some sort. Even though I could clearly see that everything was normal, just empty, around me my brain could not entirely accept it as being normal. And at the same time it felt very peaceful and relaxing. It's an interesting experience to say the least. Though it never scared me. And that's why I liked the original backrooms. I didn't know it was even called liminal space before I found out about the backrooms. Pictures might not give me the same feeling as my real life experiences, but I liked that the concept was talked about and shared between people. Sometimes even a creepy pasta or some such. And then the rise in popularity happened. And the backrooms was turned into just an empty maze with different themes, where a monster chases you to kill you. Now the backrooms supposedly has tons of lore and dozens of levels with different monsters. To me it's all "OC don't steal!" teenage fanfinction. The backrooms was supposed to be a liminal space. Not a maze with monsters.

[@davidpetersonharvey]

The earliest example of liminal spaces I have seen was in the Twilight zone series from the 1960s. I grew up watching these shows and they made great use of liminal space in their stories, sometimes the space itself being the antagonist. I think it lacks a certain disingenuity to say that other horror elements should not be present in liminal spaces. If they work together with the space they can be very effective, something we don't see necessarily happening with some of the liminal space fiction on youtube.

[@mikaelangehagen7251]

I dont understand what kane pixel did wrong?

[@aubergineman3205]

Focuses more on Sci-fi horror rather than the "horror" of being in an infinite labyrinth of loneliness

[@mikaelangehagen7251]

@@aubergineman3205 oh ok thanks for explaining

[@DSnapf]

He also allegedly ate an entire box of crayons, cardboard and everything.

[@mikaelangehagen7251]

@@DSnapf well that just sounds impressive

[@Froggediah]

Held this feeling for like 1 year now

[@dyinnmih]

Great commentary. In some ways, the innate human fear of nothingness and what "isn't" is reflected in the distortion of the Backrooms in liminal horror. The deep seated urge to have something to be literally afraid of, be it a monster or some strange creature. What makes liminal horror so unsettling is its isolation and the uniqueness of its experience. A photo that looks like your childhood bedroom from the house that burned down six years ago is specific, yet may only invoke mild discomfort without that memory for others. The way that these spaces, when empty, could be anywhere and be anything is the true horror of them imo, sans monsters. Is it a hotel? A hospital? A doctors office? Does it end? Is it empty? Was that a memory or a dream? Vague clanks and buzzing lights. In some ways the need to have something concrete to be afraid of is sating the unconscious want to squirm away from the discomfort that comes from liminality -- that feeling that can not be placed.

[@jojobizarrelivingstone594]

And I just realized that the whole act of us wanting the backrooms to be simple and actually about the Spaces themselves once again, is pretty much what makes liminal spaces most of what they are

[@halorat2047]

I’m pretty sure I had a dream where there was a big extinct volcano in a smooth desert. I thought it was pretty interesting, and at the time I didn’t know about the back rooms.

[@lahuk1194]

The Backrooms as just a weird empty beige office-y maze you might randomly fall into and get trapped, left to wander around alone until you either die or somehow fall back into reality is a scary concept. The Backrooms as a monster-ridden, multi-leveled dimension with lore and rules is blasé. Less is more.

[@AbandonedVoid]

Your profile picture is gorgeous.

[@daka3785]

Liminal spaces focus on the SPACE. That's why they're liminal "spaces." Keeping it empty allows us to focus on every aspect of the surrounding. Add an "entity" and the focus changes entirely, leaving the liminal space just some backdrop. Completely destroying the point of it

[@generalesdeath5836]

The earliest experience I ever had of the idea of a “liminal space” was when I was in Kindergarten. And it was going to my school after nightfall. It was for a big show of kindergarteners so the place was far from empty; parents and kids and teachers were present. But it was far quieter, and it was nighttime, and there were a lot fewer people than I was used to during the day.

[@builder_dahomey]

I sometimes go by places that are like liminal spaces. It's eerie. Putting a monster in it ruins the experience.

[@lukabelmezov7467]

Theres a theory that our planet might or might not be the only thing with life on it. Were either all alone or were not and both are equally terrifying. The backrooms and liminal space play with both those fears by putting us in a world we are familiar with but make it so empty that it feels like youre alone which is terrifying. However the idea of potentially not being alone and the possibility of being targeted by an unknown threat is equally terrifying because you have no idea what your up against because its just you and this unknown creature alone. The entities were a good idea but it became so overused to the point the backrooms and liminal spaces have lost its original touch.

[@zestytriss5282]

Liminal space used to have a feeling of realism. When they put monsters in it, it becomes fiction

[@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811]

When you were doing the intro you should've said "and then amongus poppy playtime drip shows up"

[@bruinesuiker3870]

Ooh man, you have to credit the youtuber called "The Librarian" for some of the Gmod footage

[@sophlovesgod]

todays the 4th anniversary of the first post of the back rooms 💀💀💀(5/14/19)

[@A_kid_forever]

A kid saying “iS tHaT tHe BaCkRoOmS” on a liminal space picture is like a kid saying “iS tHaT tHe GuY fRoM fOrTniTe”

[@nathanpfirman625]

I've always thought. What did our ancestors dream of.

[@kingwolf3044]

We need some videos or games that are just exploring the beautiful aspects of the back rooms. There are several levels that are canonical safe and beautiful.

[@Forcommentingpurposes]

I don’t hate the idea of entities in the backrooms. The original creepypasta hints at “something”. However, that’s where my appreciation starts and stops. It was terrifying when we were alone, the unknown all around us. The thought that maybe MAYBE we weren’t alone makes it just that much scarier. The cardinal rule of all monster flicks is to never show the monster until the very last second, if at all. And that’s where the backrooms lore fails the hardest. We see the creatures, we know what they do and where they roam. I like some of the entities, they’re fun creature creation and a lot of them have a lot of heart put into them. I just think they belong as SCPs and not in our liminal spaces

[@critter_core]

I still stand by the fact that I desperately wish there was a back rooms game that had no direct fast paced chase horror that would just allow you to walk through and explore the many floors and with how many ideas I’ve been getting, I’ve been thinking of just biting the bullet and learning to make games just to make this one and other games I’ve been having planned. But learning to make games seems so daunting despite the fact that so many people have done it already

[@megaman37456]

There is, it's called "Enter the Backrooms" it's an indie game but has a sandbox mode where you can turn off entities entirely.

[@critter_core]

@@megaman37456 Woah really?? That sounds so cool :00

[@megaman37456]

@@critter_core Yeah the game is even easily moddable. You can add your own custom textures and music/sfx to the game as well.

[@Itz_Phoenixxx]

Agreed. Someone finally had the guts to say it

[@cendimix.4132]

The backrooms is an intresting and spooky idea the only issue is it became a trend and therfore led alot of kids to the concept who ruined it, and also brought elsa gate stuff.

[@ajflink]

I never want to hear "almond water" again. Every time the Backrooms is discussed. Almond water is brought up and usually pronounced very weirdly.

[@jimmyunderb]

My obsession with the backrooms done by kane is that I feel like I've been there, I can smell it when I see it, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up at the familiar hummm. But I've never dreamed I was in the backrooms that I know of. I've been in many empty spaces alone before but nothing that feels as familiar as those yellow walls, the over head lighting, the smell of an old long forgotten place, the stale warm flowless air.

[@eyalraz8074]

Great video!

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

That's why the concept of backrooms is still better than Kane pixels version (it's unique but not my backrooms)

[@wolcamophone4783]

What really scares me about liminal spaces is how people will just keep talking on and on and on and on about how this one hallway with yellow lighting is supposed to be spooky to the point you just get sick, but then you find one liminal space photo you yourself may like and feel yourself getting sucked into the same urge to let your brain pick it all apart and dissect what's so cool about it. I'd like to see a mini series where the madness of different people's perspectives of what the backrooms might be is what actually drives them to become more hostile towards each other instead of 'oh look, there's a monster behind the corner there because spooky.'

[@spacebugz4317]

I think that it'd be really interesting that instead of hordes of entities in the backrooms it'd be like in order to survive you need to keep sane. Sanity would be easier to keep in some levels than others and the more you lose it you're more likely to hallucinate entities but they'd still be very uncommon

[@MonsterJuiced]

Can you tell me what that game with the liminal suburb is please?

[@jenny6609]

The liminal space and back rooms and weirdcore drink or anything like that is slowly dying, I don't want it to die, I love liminal spaces, and when people put music with them and stuff, I just get such a strong euphoric feel, I love this stuff and I don't want it to die, it slowly dying

[@jojobizarrelivingstone594]

I don't think you should lump kane in with the rest. Eventhough he did introduce the whole 'entity' thing in the backrooms, he did do it really well and didn't overuse it. I don't like how every liminal space is now being lumped to join the rest of the backrooms 'levels' as mostly backdrops for really cartoonishly evil entities heck there this one backrooms game that doesn't even look like it's set in it most of the time except for you guessed it, the entities

[@catcrimes80]

A good way to put entities in Liminal Space scenarios. Is if the being is just a person from the protagonist's memories that appear vaguely or anonymously to reveal plot.

[@alatreon7451]

I’m so happy you included the Red Room from Twin Peaks. I love that fucking show

[@xargos]

Honestly I don't feel like liminal spaces have been ruined at all. Sure there are people who choose to see them differently thanks to backrooms lore, but I don't let it change how I perceive them. I just choose to engage with what I like and not engage with what I don't like.

[@jadenmudge]

But without the short story of the backrooms I would've never gotten me here, never have i ever seen a liminal space that stuck out to me; now want to... be in a liminal space. Alone... Araid... No safety. And most importantly, Freedom of speech, expression, exploring man-made nature.