How the Borg Idiotically Failed to Capture the Enterprise

[@LoreReloaded]

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[@donovanbradford8231]

like parts of the video but the time stamping was throwing me off quite a bit.

[@donovanbradford8231]

like parts of the video but the time stamping was throwing me off quite a bit.

[@swiger530]

Is that a Flux Capacitor in the lower right corner at 11:02

[@EATHER2468]

After this i am convinced that the borg queen is a temporal agent plant a flaw put there intentonally to halt the progress of the true collective.

[@ExploringFate]

I want to check out this cereal but it might be awhile.

[@alexfranz817]

I have to assume that once the computer was locked out the queen knew that if she pushed the attack too quickly that Picard would trigger the self destruct immediately and kill them all. Thus letting Picard believe that there was a chance at victory would keep her playing her game until she could regain advantage.

[@crystallineentity]

Good theory that

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

i wonder how the rest of the movies would turn out if picard blew up the E in first contact. or what if the D didn't die in generations.

[@casbot71]

With a lot of the Enterprise-E's crew dead when they return to their own time, it has a silver lining for Starfleet.… All the personnel that were originally assigned to the ship when it was under construction _and got bumped for the crew of the Enterprise-D after it got destroyed but it's crew survived,_ can finally get their original placements on the new Sovereign class ship they were promised.

[@GoldenChed]

Harsh but true 😂

[@lostbutfreesoul]

I still like the Borg Conspiracy Theory, they set things up to 'fail' in just the right way to succeed in the end....

[@HalferLandPerformance]

Don't worry, watch the rest of his videos...he ridicules ST in all them. Constantly negative

[@leomonaghan3933]

One thing to note about the Borg in this scenario. They were at ridiculously low numbers compared to what the collective is used to working with. They had at most dozens of Borg minds to process data with when the collective is used to having literally millions of times that degree of processing power. (and note: they were out of range of the 21st century collective, thus the need to attempt to use the modified deflector dish to contact them). This would be akin to going from a modern supercomputer's degree of processing power all the way down to an Intel 8088 chip. So it's not really all that surprising that they weren't operating at anything resembling "peak efficiency".

[@KENOMAN1969]

Data not allowing anyone but himself access made sense. He's least likely to die or be compromised. Any crew knowing how to access the computer core would only need to be assimilated and then the Borg have access.

[@FiliusFidelis]

One thing that always annoyed me, The Borg adapts to energy weapons really fast, yet they never seem to have much protection against physical force, yet instead of taking advantage of that they keep trying to beat the Borg at their own game. Makes me think of SG1, how the Asgard were unable to fight the Replicators because they were incapable of adjusting their approach to the problem. The setup is so similar in fact that one could almost suspect a bit of plagiarism there :)

[@Das_Kaenguru]

Want some less sophisticated thinking? You might have come to the right place! **Col. O‘Neil smile**

[@mightyhood8552]

Yeah starfleet never chooses the simple options just replicate some P90s with Armour piercing rounds and you can mow down any borg in your path

[@raw6668]

That is assuming they don't have armor under around any bone structure, or Picard had to enhance the Tommy gun to have a higher velocity and fire material stronger than steel to take down a single drone. This is possible for we see him modifying the program before activating it, which is enhance them to be able to take down a borg drone. I mean, if it is determined the two points mentioned above are true, and even using enhance kinetic weapons have similar results, how effective are kinetic weapons are if it takes a whole clip just to down one or two drones, assuming the weapons are enhanced enough to get through borg armor.

[@FiliusFidelis]

@@raw6668 Wasn't really thinking of Picards use of a Tommy Gun though. Just in this movie there are several instances of both Worf and Data easily taking out Borg drones, the first one with the butt of a phaser rifle, with a mek'leth etc, data just used blunt force trauma. So pretty sure something as simple as a crossbow bolt would do the trick quite nicely.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@@raw6668 i'm sure a 308 will put down a drone.

[@casbot71]

Why don't Starfleet have a SOP for dealing with a Borg incursion on a ship? "Computer; replicate mid 21st century military handheld projectile weapons and ammunition". Plus open all airlocks and vent into space those sections, it worked for both Voyager and the Romulan Borg Cube. You might not get all, but you really reduce the numbers. And WhyTF do the Borg need to adjust the environmental settings in the ship? It's a giveaway that they are onboard.

[@GameHammerCG]

It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they adjusted the environmental settings either as a lure to draw starfleet in, or simply to make th Queen comfortable.

[@KingOfLesbia]

I can't see why the borg couldn't adapt to primitive projectile weapons that holographic Tommy gun always seemed ridiculous to me and flying through space they would shielding to be able to block mirco Meteorites and other debris. opening the airlock is great way to deal with borg though

[@theredscourge]

I assume that they don't change the climate controls until after they're pretty confident in their position, given that they can briefly survive out in open space.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

imagine if every starfleet ship had 3 jedis stationed aboard. :D

[@KristoffDoe]

@@KingOfLesbia Is there any on-screen evidence in any of the movies or TV shows of borg drone shield blocking physical objects? (Even something as simple as e.g. thrown item?)

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

If Data was fast enough to whip up that encryption code, he was fast enough to flood the effected decks with ~insert techno-babble~ to instantly kill them all.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Borg on tv: A Galaxy wide menace Borg in movies: space zombies

[@SenorGato237]

So, one thing about computer security: if there is a way in for authorized people, there is a way in for unauthorized people. This is why Data had to fully lock out the ship. Also, it made for a better movie if the whole ship is locked down and can't be unlocked while the Borg are still present, it nullifies their technological advantage and gives the crew an attainable goal that doesn't have to be handwaved away.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

imagine if starfleet had ships crewed with androids like data. ok let's pretend that every starship had a platoon of datas... that would definitely help with ship security. :D

[@articarcher3769]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 Your idea was part of a full episode. I think it was called 'measure of a man. Season 2 EP 9

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@@articarcher3769 i know unfortunately it won't be until late late 24th century they finall have those synths (picard) in around 2387 but they went haywire destroyed utopia planitia and they bannd all synths. so i can imagine a platoon of datas can hijack a ship quite easily. i mean data did it by himself.

[@davidford3115]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 The problem is that the Kurtzman Syths plot was a half-baked plot that was not thought out, and completely missed the whole point of TNG episodes "Measure of a Man" and "The Offspring". Dat and Lal were unique while they Syths are just mass produced. Also, the whole "cloning from a positron" is complete garbage and shows ignorance of how the cloning process actually works. And no discussion comes about regard the evil brother Lore.

[@toddfraser3353]

Hue when his "Individuality virus" attacked the Borg. The Queen roll changed from weeding out conflating data, to the roll of a despot. To keep the collective back onto order. That is why the Borg became less of a threat after Hue.

[@matthew8153]

That makes sense.

[@chrishatherley3531]

Hugh

[@jamesbizs]

Pretty sure hue didn’t spread after the cube was separated from the collective .

[@chrishatherley3531]

@@jamesbizs Hugh was on a crashed scout ship. Not a cube. He was reassimilated into the collective spreading his individuality

[@pianotm]

Just wondering if there's going to be any mention of the fact that Worf could not even move a Borg drone in TNG and then got flung across engineering, but in the movie, he's suddenly able to kill the Borg with a single whack from his rifle.

[@NormandySR2XO]

Could you imagine being in main engerining as the Borg start to come though every door and entrance. Some would be frozen in fear, others would try to make a run for it, maybe towards the nearby jeffies tube and as they open it they see Borg laser beams in the tubes. A few successfully manage to get to a weapons locker and grab a few phasers and even take down a couple of drones but they are out matched two two one. As some of the last of the engerineeing crew are taken down the borg start to assminalate the deck, the crew and work outwards into the Ship.

[@pauld3694]

You got me thinking about the reason they didn't fire on the deflector dish... So if a direct hit with mere phaser rifles on the dish could destroy half the ship... wouldn't that make deflector dishes in general (assuming this isn't just a design flaw of the Soverign class) a primary target in ship battles when you remove the obstacle of the shields?

[@trekker683]

While The deflector was being modified it was charged with anti-protons something not normally done. In addition the deflector is designed to store and channel a huge amount of energy. If they had fired on the deflector the anti-proton storage would have become unstable or fail outright allowing the anti-protons to come in contact with positively charged protons resulting in a massive and uncontrolled release of energy.

[@pauld3694]

@@trekker683 so it was the Borg who charged it with anti-protons? I don't recall them actually saying it was the Borg and not just standard for it to be charged like that. But I couldn't say one way or the other. It just wasn't specified in the films dialog.

[@Swiftbow]

Especially odd since the Deflector Dish's JOB is to... deflect things. Hell, it can deflect weaker energy weapons from the ship even when the shields are down. (Ala lasers.) One would logically surmise a hand phaser would actually be LESS powerful than a shipboard laser, but who am I to judge. (A crazy fan, that's who!)

[@jlevogiani2012]

If Data had made it possible for Enterprise crew members to access systems, any crew assimilated after the encryption would know how to bypass the encryption.

[@builder396]

I think the Borg were just taking their time to consolidate their forces, advance and take an objective, then consolidate again, and it makes sense, to me at least. The first thing they take over is an area adjacent to engineering, and from there engineering itself, which is an obvious objective, given Engineering makes the second best command post on the ship, second only to the bridge, though for a boarding enemy like the Borg Engineering is probably even more preferable. After all, they are sitting right on top of most primary systems that way. That take-over probably already leaves them with several dozen people to be fully assimilated, but that needs certain infrastructure, which needs time, and even then full assimilation definitely takes a while as well, given that it essentially involves a dozen surgeries per drone. With limited manpower this likely takes time, so they just lock out any access point, make themselves at home and attempt to take over the main computer. Once that fails they set a new objective: The main deflector. Now with probably 50-80 drones at their disposal and a reasonable infrastructure for further assimilation they can advance more readily and take over half the ship, including likely half the crew. With the crew compliment being 700 and some on Earth its probably a solid estimate to say they have 300-350 drones by now, depending on how many boarded initially, with about 250-300 having to go through full assimilation. Even with facilities now in place that takes a while, so the Borg split their efforts between that and setting up the dish, given the latter doesnt really require much manpower anyway. Then that fails, too, and the Borg just collectively say "Fuck it!" and try to assimilate the whole ship. I know I left out the attack on Engineering where Data got captured, but I just dont think it has much influence on the Borgs logistics and their actions. It was certainly an opportunity for the Borg to capture him so he could release the lockout, so if that hadnt happened they probably would have made capturing Data yet another objective on their list and gone for it. In a way Data getting captured probably saved the ship. I think on the whole the timeframes are fairly reasonable. Even the Borg are limited by their logistical capabilities, and when they have an objective, they go at it with all the manpower they can get their hands on, even if that means waiting for extra drones to get polished up, just because an overwhelming victory causes fewer losses and thus is more efficient. Between "Good enough now" and "Perfect later" the Borg will always choose the latter.

[@casbot71]

The Borg Queen; they should have just made a new Lucutas of Borg. The perfect candidate would be Dr Pulaski, who just happened to be visiting the Enterprise-E and got caught up in the battle. It would add a lot of emotional depth to the new "Leader" without changing the nature of the Borg at all - their SOP is to choose a emissary to oversee assimilation of a species, and if that doesn't work next time they choose a new emissary who directs a different approach. Picard chose to defeat militarily and then head to Earth, Pulaski was obsessed with "was Data sentient" and that is the reasoning for the new approach. And Data and Pulaskis of Borg would have more emotionally charged interactions than that pathetic femme fatale bit. _And when Pulaski dies it hits everyone hard (including the audience) without affecting the casting for following films.

[@Tim3.14]

Oh, I like that idea a lot!

[@chrishatherley3531]

Locutus

[@davidford3115]

That would have been a great idea, but for the difficulty of getting the actress.

[@RyogaHabiki]

I remember when ST VIII First Contact came out on vhs/dvd. My NJROTC instructor had our class watch it, and write reports on how Picard and crew screwed up over and over again. We know this takes place after the federation encounters the dominion, the defiant being present in the movie is all the proof you need for that. Yet, the Federation flagship seems I’ll prepared for battle, against the dominion or the Borg. Starfleet (based on dialogue) changed up tactics for ship battle. So they improved a little, but not a lot. As far as why the Borg didn’t swarm the bridge or act aggressively, someone else already pointed out that Picard’s fingers were on the self destruct. It feels like the Borg were playing a game of chess and The Enterprise crew was playing a game of checkers…

[@Swiftbow]

CAN you self destruct a ship from the bridge when the enemy controls engineering? Maybe if the enemy is extremely slow-witted, but the ship's self destruct works off of disabling antimatter containment. All of the antimatter is in Engineering.

[@RyogaHabiki]

@@Swiftbow I never said I’d activate the self destruct. Keep in mind how the Borg stopped the self destruct wasn’t them disabling it, Data did…

[@Swiftbow]

@@RyogaHabiki I didn't mean the "you" as YOU directly. I meant it in the "can anyone" sense. (Second person tense.) And sorry, I haven't seen the movie in awhile and didn't recall that Data had done that.

[@mikek1187]

In the "Battle for Engineering", you question why transporters couldn't simply be used to beam something into engineering. Remember...Data locked out the main computer, which, is responsible for transporter functionality on the ship (also why the away team detail couldn't contact or beam back to Enterprise). Additionally, the positioning of the plasma coolant tanks makes perfect sense in both peaceful and war vessels. Look at any naval vessel today and you'll see fuel and coolant storage rather close to the main and auxiliary engines. This also explains why the crew need to crawl through Jeffries tubes, versus beaming in and out of engagement points. Interesting though that the Holosuite and EMH are not dependent on main computer control...perhaps they have their own sub-processors, or function regardless of computer lock? An aside: On board our nuclear submarines and we have sailors bunking next to literal NUCLEAR warheads! (trident subs) as an example of how ship designers need to juggle between equipment and personnel. Lastly, Enterprise's warp core itself needs to be cooled, how else would one propose cooling without a built-in coolant tank (although I think the writers messed up here and should have called it the plasma coolant conduit, as the coolant merely routes through, and is not stored where Data made his hit.)?

[@jamesbizs]

Ugh. Use a shuttle then. Everyone forgets shuttles; when transporters go down…

[@eguy7]

Napoleon said to March separately but to fight concentrated. Marching separately ensured that at least one group got to the battle, but They needed to bring all their available weapons to bear to have a chance in engineering. It is an old military maxim, and it works.

[@VVeremoose]

Or the coolant is corrosive to most things and they have to use the glass. Perhaps the glass is usually reinforced by a force field and Data deactivated them when he gave the Borg "control". Which is why he complied - as a cover for deactivating the field. There are plausible reasons.

[@GameHammerCG]

I never noticed until your video here that the upper displays on the Sovereign bridge jut out from the mid and lower displays; rendering a standing viewer unable to see the top portion of the middle displays. How useful!

[@Excalibur01]

In hindsight, apparently the crew forgot that the Captain's Yacht was still in their reach for awhile and they could have used that. Or really launch all shuttles to prevent them from falling into Borg hands or the Borg were too stupid to capture all the shuttles and launch at least ONE of them in the direction of the Delta Quadrant

[@SoranoGuardias]

If you look at the shots of the Enterprise-E in First Contact you can see there is no embarked Captain's Yacht currently. That likely became a thing immediately following the events of First Contact.

[@Nr15121]

@@SoranoGuardias yeah may have been part of the refit the captains yacht and quantum launchers/magazine are in the same spot which isn’t a great trade off imo especially since the nemesis e has 12 quantum’s apparently

[@casbot71]

@@SoranoGuardias it was to be installed on Tuesday …

[@davidford3115]

@@casbot71 And yet the medical staff was already there.....

[@tba113]

RE: using direct assault teams instead of the ship's systems to evict the Borg from engineering... Perhaps they didn't want to cross the Rubicon of giving the Borg ideas. If you wanted to ruin a Starfleet crew's day and had access to the main computer, there are any number of things you could do. Forget something as major as turning off life support: just cranking down the inertial dampers and giving a one-second burst of impulse thrust would smear the crew against the rear bulkheads; turning off safety measures on a replicator could let it start spewing out nitroglycerin, nerve gas, or any number of other nasty substances; bumping the decimal back by one place on the thermostat would incinerate any organic compounds in the room; access to the gravity system for a compartment could let you throw the occupants around like shaking a box of action figures - assuming you didn't simply turn the gravity up by 10X to make them black out in seconds... Sure, there are (presumably) safety cross-checks that prevent the systems from doing this sort of thing, but those lockouts are all in the same main computer we're already assuming got hacked. Showing the Borg how the ship's secondary systems could be used to deal with hostiles would solve the immediate problem, but any other Starfleet ship the Borg boarded after that would be royally screwed.

[@BNuts]

I like the fact that in _STO_ , the Borg have become more aggressive, switching to 'kill' strategies fairly quickly against enemies they can't assimilate, and learning to assimilate species like the Undine (Species 8472) later on. They had also developed technology that allowed them to quickly assimilate entire planets (the actual planet together with its humanoid population), and they fielded a variety of ships in larger battle fleets instead of single cubes. Sometimes you faced the legion of the Collective (which I still think is more threatening) and sometimes the force you faced was led by the Queen. And not only could you lose control over your character on the ground if assimilated (until downed), but also over parts of your ship. To counter the Borg adaptability, you had a Refrequencer device that would take a few seconds to work. There are also some weapons that can switch between energy types, as well as traditional projectile weapons like Picard's Tommy gun (complete with 'spray and yell' as its alt fire mode) and Cochrane's shotgun. _STO_ also allows captains to equip two weapons of any desired type, and tab-switch between them on the fly, giving captains the classic RPG tactic of being able to use a projectile weapon and a melee weapon with fair ease. These range from traditional lirpas and bat'leths or mak'leths to knives and a set of Furiodon Fangs. I believe that, especially against foes like the Borg, Starfleet officers should have certainly be carrying bladed weapons for close-range combat. And because close quarters sometimes means 'really close,' it would have been smarter to go with a short sword than a polearm like a lirpa. When faced with a horde of Borg in ground missions, a favoured tactic of mine is to lay down as many turret type assets for support as possible, then start picking the threats off as they close. At close range I would switch to melee, and run through with my away team until I got to another open spot to repeat. All Borg move slowly, so they can easily be outrun.

[@theduke7539]

The fact that the Borg had full access to the enterprise and didn't adapt to their surroundings is strange. They knew they would face federation phasers in their environment, they had access to the data several minutes before the lock out and never adapted to star fleet weapons prior to the first assault

[@ZontarDow]

The ad I got before the video was a cringe one staring John Franks and Brent Spinner playing that Star Trek game I keep seeing ads for but can never remember the name of.

[@BNuts]

To be fair, Starfleet _should_ have had protocols in place against the Borg, and especially against them doing things like beaming aboard and abducting captains. Which is something they had already done. Scanning the whole ship while dealing with the Borg to make sure none beamed aboard should be standard procedure. _Especially_ aboard a ship designed to deal with them. I'm guessing none of this happens so the plot _can_ happen.

[@MasterCleife]

It's my understanding that it took the Enterprise at least a day, probably more, to get to Earth from the neutral zone. The fleet had been engaging the Borg for hours at the time. They'd started the battle light years from Earth, in a similar manner to how they did at Wolf 359 and then regrouped with the rest of the fleet at Earth to continue the fight.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

using star trek warp speed at warp 9 they can cover a whopping 2 light year a day.... yeah if you're that far out...forget it.

[@constantincatterfeld2038]

The battle audio we hear took place in the Typhon sector, not Earth. So the Typhon sector is apparently as far away from Sol as the Neutral Zone where the Enterprise was at. And it is not a day but 2 weeks away.

[@simonkerr1899]

Maybe medical staff didn't contact security because, oh I don't know, the communications were cut as we do see Beverly tap har combadge to no avail.

[@Ser_Redshirt]

For the life of me I could never understand why nobody realized the Borg are susceptible to projectile weapons? Replicate a couple dozen shotguns and a few M249s to guard vital assets and wipe the Borg out. Though to be fair, I may have blown the ship up sooner.

[@freelancenerd4804]

Probably my fave Trek film. Crap, I think it might be in my top five sci-fi movies but I loved TNG so my opinion might be questionable. Great video! The Enterprise is a lot like a Bantha!!!! YES!

[@tysonwollas1721]

Honestly the Borg who obviously could transport without detection should have just gone down to the planet waited till the enterprise said job well done and left then they would have had free reign of the planet bam they win. In this movie the Borg are In the lower half of the Enterprise right? Then lock out the computer, order all hands to the saucer section, separate the saucer section turn around and blow up the Borg half WIN!

[@Chris-tf7gi]

First Contact's pacing always seemed horribly off to me, even when I first saw it in the theater. I remember thinking, 'Why aren't the Borg just kicking their ass?' After watching your video, I agree it's the Borg Queen who messed up the usual strategy of dominate by assimilate. That particular point of the Queen halting the Borg's march up to where Picard is breaking things (little ships) in the ready room could have been played up more in the movie. It probably wasn't played up to save the shock value of Data surprising the Queen. Yeah, the collective was doing just fine before the Borg Queen decided to give a prime example of group think. "Settle down drones! We're going to play with this android. . . for as long as I feel like it." "???" "Because your QUEEN said so." ['Yeah. You look good with skin.'] "Was that good for you?"

[@enoughothis]

The Borg didn't want to win the battle because their Yandere Queen was showing off to Data to get back at Piccard.

[@davidford3115]

Yandere. Never expected to see that description used to describe Trek, but it does fit perfectly.

[@jlevogiani2012]

I'm glad you caught the subtle foreshadowing offered when Starfleet sidelines Picard, who then goes on to prove them correct later in the film. However, an even bigger chicken-or-egg conundrum is this: Did the Borg of that era actually receive the signal from Earth, and is that why, centuries later, the Borg just happen to be scooping entire outposts off of planets along the Romulan neutral zone?

[@JakeWerkmeister]

You bring up a lot of points I've thought about over the years. Firstly, the Borg, a species that can literally mold biological and technological entities into their own preferences at a microscopic level are stopped in their tracks, because Data changed the log in password to the computer. This group of Borg also appear to have a lack of understanding of how doors work. Then the Queen is killed, and all of the active Borg just die, for reasons. Flash forward about 90 years, and some of the survivors from the wrecked sphere are reactivated. Apparently they forgot that they needed the queen to live. They go on to engage another ship by the name of Enterprise. Now while this group of Borg remembers that they can assimilate computer technology at a microscopic level, they seemed to have forgotten how to adapt to "low yield particle weapons" as the Klingons would describe Starfleet phase weaponry at the time. Granted, Malcolm adjusted the phase pistols to emit a higher frequency range to increase firepower. However, there is no reason to make any assumption that these modified 22nd Century weapons would be more powerful or more versatile than 24th Century Phasers, which themselves have been proven to be mostly useless against the Borg. And after all of the 24th Century ships, computers, databases, and collective knowledge of assimilated Federation personal that the Borg have in their collective memory, their advanced technology was useless against a single Pre-Federation Starfleet vessel. Keep in mind that the same Starfleet ship had difficulties warding off Klingon vessels of the same era. All of these inconsistencies have led me to only one conclusion. The sphere that launched from the cube at sector 001 was the Borg equivalent of a short bus.

[@davidford3115]

Yeah, that whole Enteprise episode with the Borg was completely dumb. What the hell was Michael Okuda thinking when he greenlit that script? Just as dumb as the episode with the Ferengi.

[@2bituser569]

Death is mercy. Death before assimilation!

[@pbdye1607]

They took over environmental controls, and shortly after, sick bay. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they could've flooded the ship with some sort of atomized sedative and just assimilated the knocked-out crew. Or, since it's demonstrated they can operate in a vacuum...ditch the air.

[@Skyfire_The_Goth]

In order to vent the ship or use the life support to spread things other than a standard atmosphere they would have needed the ships command codes.

[@pbdye1607]

@@Skyfire_The_Goth The EMHes didn't have the Prometheus' command codes when they gassed the Romulans.

[@omaroba1490]

Wow Another great Star trek video, thi sis top 3 star trek channel for sure. loved it.

[@whitewolf6605]

I noticed how telegraphed warf's hits are. Imagine if Star Trek had hand to hand scenes with professionals drilling in combat all day everyday. Much more glory to the fight

[@denislemieux4915]

From TOS through Enterprise at least, the budgets have always been low-ish. No way they were going to spend money on that. Doesn't even look like they practiced before filming.

[@HalcyonSkies]

Considering the threat of the borg Starfleet should have had much better tactics for fighting off incursions on their ships. As soon as ANY borg activity is detected anywhere they should have contingencies in place. Starfleet having better tactics would make the movie overall better, as it would force the writers to make the adversary stronger/smarter etc, and thus more satisfying to see them beaten. Tactics against the borg, at least in my opinion should be several small teams using hit and run tactics. Using weaponry that actually, you know, WORKS. With the advanced materials they have available the Federation could make an amazing support machine gun or designated marksman rifle. But you know, pacifism I guess. Cause lasers are so much better than bullets, amirite?

[@denislemieux4915]

This always bothers me about many sci fi films. I know it's the future but kinetic weapons can be just as effective. They had the MACOS in Enterprise. I understand Starfleet believes itself to be a science/exploration org. but after the first encounter, & various other things, you'd think a ship like Enterprise at least, would have trained fighters. They have "security", but they seem more like mall cops.

[@HalcyonSkies]

@@denislemieux4915 Mall cops I think have better training. See DS9 episode "Empok Nor" where an engineer asks a security officer to point her weapon somewhere else, and she casually quips "Don't worry, the safeties on."

[@davidford3115]

@@HalcyonSkies No joke. If you are relying on "safeties" you have no business handling a firearm.

[@nixboox]

I think your entire premise is wrong here. The Borg don't need to assimilate the entire ship instantaneously. They are exactly where they wanted to be - in Humanity's past. Since there's a high probability that only one or two Borg beamed onto the ship before it exploded, or used the Trajector technology they assimilated sometime before ST: Picard, they can slowly take over the ship, deck by deck, without any rush - which is, of course, exactly what the movie tells us. The Borg queen wasn't in a rush to assimilate the Enterprise because she knows humans are very capable against the Borg. She assimilates only what she needs and that included Data. It wasn't the Borg that failed to take over the Enterprise, it was Data's humanity that stopped the Borg.

[@Xpistos510]

My thoughts exactly. 👌

[@davesobani9565]

Gods that moment of the enterprise sweeping in to take those hits for the defiant still gives me goosebumps

[@Octet]

Cool coincidence, I just watched First Encounter yesterday!

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

In fairness, glass at an aquarium probably wouldn't be able to handle a strong rifle and OSHA wouldn't say anything about that. Safety measures are rarely wasted for extremely unlikely situations. Side note, the simple fact that the Borg captured two decks that didn't even exist means that they shouldn't have had any problems and is another bit in your favor.

[@leejohnstone894]

Worf along with the rest of the enterprise crew uses the TR-116 rifle. Borg drones turns around and runs away in fear. Picard walks into main engineering with a TR-116 rifle and blows the Queen's head off

[@Nr15121]

Or just quick scope them through the bulkheads

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

forget that since picard used a 1930s tommy gun in the holodeck might as well repliacte a bunch of M1 garands... or BARS that would make quick work of the borg.

[@Starman_Dx]

We are the Borg. We have analyzed your breakfast capabilities. We will add your tasty and balanced breakfast to our own. You will escort us to your kitchen so that we may locate a bowl. Resistance is futile.

[@Palmerrip]

If OSHA exists in the 24th century then why are starfleet ships built with exploding rocks inside the consoles?

[@awesomeatronik]

Most vehicles electrical systems have the negative run to ground.

[@scottlarson5625]

@lore reloaded I love your breakdowns... keep up the great work!

[@robertagu5533]

That's what happens when you toy with an enemy you think you've defeated already... Things like this happen an you wind up losing... It's true in about EVERY franchise. In Trek's great rival, Darth Maul toyed with young Obi an got cut, literally, down. In Mass Effect, the Reapers was similar an similarly arrogant an got any number of bad things in their "you lose" screens. An then it happened here in this event too. In hindsight, you SHOULDN'T EVER issue a "fight hand to hand" Order to whomever you got left UNLESS you have a fair amount of decent or exceptional fighters. Even against major enemies like Borg an a HUGE issue is a distinct LACK of melee options for just such situations... Especially given Humans extensive selection to choose from and history with such fighting. Don't see the Borg adapting too well to a sledge hammer, sword or battle axe blow... You'd think SF would make SOMETHING like this standard issue options for fighting Borg an similar enemies. Or least a few options. An yet the ONLY time we ever see this is Janeway a lil with a very futuristic knife and the alternate reality reboot with Sulu's Sword, of which for the fight he was in there there's definitely better options if a sword is what your gonna have. P.S. At least Lopez isn't starving on that planet... Seems just like Starfleet too

[@Swiftbow]

Replicate armor, shields, and spears. Form a phalanx and the Borg are pretty much done.

[@casbot71]

Realistically the Romulans should have volunteered to join the fight against the Borg, in fact everyone in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant should had joined in. If the Borg get Earth, _they_ are screwed as well. There's no way that the centre of the Federation becomes a Borg World and they don't then attack everyone else. The only _retconed_ reason the Romulans should let their traditional enemy be taken out by a existential threat to their very own existence is if they thought they had a effective anti Borg weapon in letting the Borg assimilate minds damaged by the Admonition.

[@VVeremoose]

there's no reason to assume they weren't coming to help. The Klingons offered help at Wolf 359 but didn't make it in time. Like, space is big, yo.

[@casbot71]

@@VVeremoose True, except the Enterprise-E was on the Romulan boarder at the start of the battle. It got to Sector 001 pretty fast didn't it… *Picard:* Ensign Hawk, engage Plot Drive. _[confused, Hawk looks at his control panel]_ It's part of the Plot Armour subsystems.

[@VVeremoose]

@@casbot71 but it's not like the Empire has a standing "fite teh borg" fleet on standby at the Federation border.

[@Krees82]

The Romulans were still pretty quiet at this time and had been for almost two years after the Tal Shiar's failed attack on the Dominion with the Obsidian Order. They only began to re-emerge once the Dominion comes through the wormhole before signing a non-aggression pact with them. The Romulans are well known for sitting back and pulling the strings, not taking action unless they need to or it works to their advantage. The Borg assimilating the seat of the Federation isn't a loss to them compared to the threat of a Dominion invasion of the entire Alpha Quadrant.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

starfleet ships should just kamikaze the cubes.

[@avicusdusang1477]

You see the way those consoles explode!? Of course OSHA doesn't exist!

[@Ripcord303]

Ok now I have always wondered this since watching the movie. One of the key counters to the borg was the installation of chips in the phasers to randomize the spectrum of the phaser. This made it so the phaser would rotate to a different spectrum every couple of shots. The ships don't seemed stopped by borg shielding so why are the borg phaser proof in this movie. I really want an answer.

[@bigwhitehound]

I think SF needs to put down the phaser and pick up a 10mm SMG.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

7.62

[@bigwhitehound]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 works too

[@danpitzer765]

My headcanon is that the Borg Queen is an anomaly caused by the Hugh individuality infection. She /says/ she always was, but since Picard's implants were picking up transmissions at that range, she just abused his trauma and tricked him into believing she was there then. And her very existence weakens the entire collective.

[@qdllc]

I saw her as an avatar of the collective. It’s sensible as she speaks as the super ego for the Borg consciousness.

[@horseradishpower9947]

Nice idea, and would explain a few things. The Borg Queen would make more sense if it was Beverly Crusher, but there we are...

[@davidford3115]

First, "headcanon" is just a fancy way of saying "fan-fiction". Secondly, if the movie is to be believed, the Queen was on the cube that attacked New Providence Colony and assimilated Picard into Locutus, which predates Hugh. Indeed, if you go back and watch Best of Both Worlds and think of the Locutus personality as the Queen speaking while using Picard's voice (grand theft me trope), it actually retains a certain level of consistency.

[@horseradishpower9947]

@@davidford3115 Them using terms like "drone" and "queen" for the Borg shows a massive lack of understanding of how hives and colonies work. The Borg work better with computer terms and ideas. Each unit it part of a network, and one unit serves as a system hub. Also, we have no reason to believe the Queen was being truthful. She was certainly being manipulative.

[@davidford3115]

@@horseradishpower9947 In TNG the Borg were like Army Ants. With Voyager and First Contact, they were changed to be more like a beehive or hornet nest. An all-consuming swarm of ants that cause even Vertebrate to flee is more terrifying than a swarm of stinging insects. That is part of what cause the Borg to lose their dreaded malevolence.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

Not to mention all the times Stargate used the replicators.

[@stevenschiro1838]

'Why are the tanks with the flesh melting gas even 'puncturable'? Shouldn't they be made of like solid titanium??? What if the new guy like accidentally runs into it with a forklift?' -Plinkett

[@Nr15121]

That’s the reason Barkley got reassigned before this movie, near miss forklift accident

[@xanderguldie]

I still think the Enterprise swooping is one of the best scenes in Star Trek history

[@tp6016]

Got a discord channel? Love your work. Going through your First Contact Scene break down. Great work. Keep up the har work!

[@Tallon911uk]

The Borg could have beamed aboard the Enterprise while they were saving the Defiant survivors

[@KM-dk5gn]

This is still my favourite Star Trek movie next to The Undiscovered Country. Wrath of Khan was probably better too, but I have seen that one so many times that I am kind of sick of it, it seemed to be the only Star Trek movie they showed on TV for years heh heh. Really, I never thought about any plot holes in First Contact before, I thought it was well done. The Borg tend to be very over-confident so, in theory, maybe that is why they lost this battle too, rather than advance aggressively and eliminate their enemy, they advanced at a moderate pace figuring their enemy was mostly irrelevant due to being inferior to The Borg. Also, maybe The Borg, realizing that they had limited resources and a limited timeframe to accomplish their task, chose to focus on accomplishing their task rather than risk possible delays through engaging in heavy combat with the few people left on the Enterprise.

[@singletona082]

See this is why I don't block sponsor rolls in videos. Most of the people I watch have fun sponsorship spots and the rest are unobtrusive.

[@restoredtuna8264]

I always assumed the borg beamed aboard when the defiant crew beamed aboard. They would have had to lower shields then would they not? I don’t remember the shields being down at the end of the time jump but I must be mistaken

[@ianfranklin2216]

You do a lot of fun videos. I enjoy these. Have a good day :)

[@LoreReloaded]

Glad you enjoy!

[@ChrisTian-ed8ol]

In my opiniin The Borg are the perfect horror movie villain, and First Contact got them pretty well right. However, during the Voyager era, while it was nice to see The Borg get flushed out, it also feels like they got watered down. It was less about the knowledge of The Borg eleviating our fears, and more the writers dumbing them down and removing the horror aspect. I miss that feeling of dread The Borg gave, and while I still feel it before Voyager and during Enterprise, I don't feel it during Voyager except during Sporpion 1 & 2.

[@Skyfire_The_Goth]

Just like with many things in real life. They were very terrifying at first but as things were discovered about them they became less and less terrifying monsters and became scary in a more powerful enemy kind of way. Many things are like that, extremely terrifying when first encountered becoming less and less so as an understanding is developed, Doesn't make them less dangerous, but gaining an understanding of something makes that thing less frightening even if it is still very dangerous.

[@davidford3115]

Yeah, in TNG the Borg were like Army Ants, consuming everything in their path. With the introduction of the Queen, they became more like a beehive or hornet's nest, which took some of the dread away from them.

[@constantincatterfeld2038]

The point where the Borg lost their dread aura was when Voyager, a mid-sized intrepid class vessel, went toe to toe with a Tactical Cube, an advanced version of the fleet destroying regular cubes, and survived for many minutes. Voyager should have been a one-shot-kill. To fix this scene the writers should have given Voyager a one time tech boost from that 29th century drone which would explain why they survived for so long but since they didn't do that all we saw was that a tactical cube is unable to destroy a single Intrepid. It was totally immersion breaking and the Borg for me never recovered from that.

[@demonblade001]

I just watched this. Awesome. Honestly Warfs big knife worked really well, wonder why they don't use that more often.

[@lonnyyoung4285]

I always wondered if kinetic energy weapons, like rifles or railgun/gauss weapons would work.

[@qdllc]

The Borg would eventually adapt to any weapon.

[@Nr15121]

Yeah and the tr116 rifles would be perfect too can literally snipe them using wall hacks from across the ship

[@lonnyyoung4285]

@@qdllc probably. I guess it wpuld depend on what the writers wanted to do.

[@nagillim7915]

The Borg had already achieved their goal by the time they beamed to the Enterprise. A few drones were already safely frozen in the remote arctic where they could be woken up in a century and send the message that originally alerted the Borg to Earth, completing the time loop. The attack on Cochrane's launch site and the battle for the Enterprise were just to distract Picard from the true goal of the temporal incursion so he couldn't undo the timeloop and prevent the Borg from ever learning about the Federation. Fact is, the Borg were already in the beta quadrant on the edge of Federation space before Q, Who. They knew of the timeloop before Best of Both Worlds. So they likely knew their incursion with Locutus was going to fail. Everything they did with regards to 24th century Earth up to the point of First Contact was all predestined so that the timeloop was closed. So you could interpret it that Picard was assimilated solely to make the events of First Contact play out as required. Had Picard not been assimilated, he wouldn't have been able to destroy the cube, he wouldn't have been thinking incoherently because of his trauma, and he may have worked out the Borg's supposed plan to assimilate humanity as a primitive pre-warp society that had nothing of interest to assimilate made no logical sense. And then he might have worked out they were being kept distracted so as not to clean up all that Borg sphere debris they left in the arctic ice before returning to their own time.

[@davidford3115]

As I recall, those Borg in the arctic were from the destroyed sphere. They got on the planet when the debris from the ship re-entered Earth's atmosphere. That being said. that was one of the dumbest Enteprise episodes, alongside the one with the Ferengi.

[@nagillim7915]

@@davidford3115 - that's right. And if the entire thing is a predestination paradox then that was the only part that had to happen in order for the Borg to make their way to Federation space.

[@davidford3115]

@@nagillim7915 Seemed to me more like Rick Berman was trying to resurrect and revisit the abandoned plot threat from the end of TNG episode "Conspiracy". Alien possessed Dexter Remmick sent a "come" signal towards the Delta Quadrant at the end of that episode. That was originally what was supposed to bring in the Borg.

[@Paleorunner2]

The Borg have lost the ability to innovate passed adapting to phasers. They are farming the Federation for tech.

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, I’ve done a video on this , I think so to

[@RyanSellman1]

That's because the Borg are unable to develop or innovate new tech on their own. They have to steal technology from other races in order to advance themselves. That's one of their weaknesses. That's also why the Undine was able to tear the Borg to shreds with ease, because the Borg couldn't adapt to something that they didn't assimilate already

[@Das_Kaenguru]

The biggest plot point imo (as always when timey wimey wobbely stuff is Introduced) is: if the Borg are able to travel back in time this far…why didn’t they do so in the delta quadrant and give their former selves a huge advantage in perfection and technology. The only reason I can think of is the Q continuum intervening, but giving the early collective such a technological boost would outrun any foothold in the alpha quadrant or preventing the federation’s existence

[@davidford3115]

Bootstrap paradox. That is why they could not do it.

[@Das_Kaenguru]

@@davidford3115 yeah and after assimilating earth the Borg did…..what exactly? They stayed in the alpha quadrant and never made contact with their Delta Quadrant cousins for roughly 300 years? Going back in time to assimilate the very people you are fighting against in the current timeline will always result in a Paradoxon 🤷🏼‍♂️😅

[@krisgonynor689]

April 4th, 2063 - 3 days after my 100th birthday - assuming I live past WW3. If I'm still here, I definitely will rewatch the movie - maybe via neural implant linked into my brain, but I will see it.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

we could be having WW3 in 2022.

[@nosama001]

On or around April 4th, could the whole thing have been an April fools joke by the Borg?

[@ichigo_nyanko]

which part of battlestar galactica did something similar to this? I can't remember.

[@silliepaulie640]

With as many people converted into Borg before Data's encryption of the main computer why not send two teams of six Borg down to earth? By this time they could have come across a transporter room or one of several escape pods and use one way or both to do what they came to do, to take the pre Federation Earth.

[@SnowmanTF2]

What little we know about the state of earth was it was devastated, and it was difficult to even obtain the materials to build a small crude warp vessel. Between replicators and a power source likely orders of magnitude better than any power plant on earth before the recent WW3, the Enterprise is going to be dramatically easier to create a hive than any location on earth. Depending on how many drones they have, it may significantly reduce the chance they could capture the ship and tech base, this also likely leave that small group very exposed for a long period of time, plus Data is unique so such a complex lockout is probably not a tactic they had encountered when taking previous Federation ships. Though even not setting up an earth presence, it does seem they could have achieved their goal of messing up first contact a lot sooner, as the area they had initially taken in the Enterprise also has hundreds of torpedos, so unless there is some lore reason torpedo warheads can not be transported then they could have just blown up the ship and/or support facilities long before transporters were locked out.

[@Swiftbow]

I don't think 12 Borg could assimilate Earth in ANY time period (except MAYBE during the Federation where no one has weapons other than phasers). Once the locals understood the threat, any real military force would easily kill them. Like, let's say they assimilate an entire village in the middle ages before word gets out, but then an army of armored cavalry with lances and pikemen infantry show up. It would be hilariously one-sided.

[@davidford3115]

They may have not gained access to a transporter room before the lockout. They had just taken engineering and had then moved onto attack sickbay. The timeline between loss of contact with deck 16 and the lockout was so short that it is highly unlikely they could do so. Then you also have the initial limited number of drones.

[@silliepaulie640]

@@SnowmanTF2 the torpedoes I agree with in conjunction with an escape pod or two in which to take earth. Using the pods as sort of a base of operations/main tech to upgrade a local power plant. With that the plant's employees become more drones. The queen doesn't need to be present on the planet with the drones they are trying to establish a foothold to start with. Then start to take the planet slowly. Don't need warp drive until the planet is taken anyway. Even if the Enterprise is lost in to them the planet is still won in a way.

[@PenumbranWolf]

Between this and the whole plot of Insurrection and the HUGE plot... Thing... in Generations I don't take much stock in the movies as far as how cannon they are.

[@jayburn00]

I wonder if the Borg even considered themselves as being in conflict with anyone (other than species 8472). I mean, isn't all just business as usual for the Borg?

[@TheREALRezcore]

I wonder if the Queen is an attempt from the Borg to put a face on humanity, sort of a after effect of Hue. A personification of the collective conscious.

[@ladyDelilah84]

One thing that I wonder about is what happened to worfs bardic

[@MedalionDS9]

The Borg just decided to repeat Best of Both Worlds by invading the Alpha Quadrant with one cube, get blowed up, send a small sphere into the past... and stop FIrst Contact... while I enjoy the movie, it is incredibly stupid as a plot when you think about it

[@horseradishpower9947]

Yeah, and you can't do like with Star Trek V, and argue it was a dream Kirk had on vacation, and at the campfire at the end, he is recounting it to Spock and McCoy, to see what they make of it. I mean, you have Zefram Cochrane appear in TOS, as a much younger man. Meaning this film is one weird deviation from what came before...

[@MedalionDS9]

@@horseradishpower9947 I never watched much or remember much from TOS... but reading about his debut... apparently he was de-aged by "The Companion".

[@denislemieux4915]

The one where they had to go into the past to get whales was somehow not stupid?

[@MedalionDS9]

@@denislemieux4915 It was the 80's... that shit was hot back then... save the Whales

[@horseradishpower9947]

@@denislemieux4915 At least TVH had a logic to it. Then Kirk and Spock were talking, they were realising they had no real guarantees of the plan working. It was an absolute longshot, and they knew it. But what other plan was there available to them? It was either the wildly crazy plan, or watch Earth be destroyed. At least it doesn't have planets exploding, making other planets shift orbit, which is the setup premise for Wrath of Khan...

[@HepCatJack]

Or perhaps they captured the Enterprise and "Star Trek The Next Generation" was a fantasy lived by captured Star Fleet officers in the Matrix.

[@Gonzo_Bubb]

3:40 You called the Enterprise the Sovereign? Or was the Sovereign there as well?

[@LoreReloaded]

Sovereign class.

[@Gonzo_Bubb]

@@LoreReloaded Yeah I know the E was also a Sovereign class. Oh well, small mistake, carry on.

[@LoreReloaded]

@@Gonzo_Bubb yea, I could have been more clear for sure

[@Phil-D83]

Pro tip: replicate some 20th century firearms and keep in reserve anti-borg stash

[@steeltimberwolf]

If the Borg were truly dangerous, as soon as they took over engineering and environmental controls all they had to do was decompress the rest of the ship and they would win. Sure Data would be around and able to function, but one android vs all the Borg on the ship isn't a fight Data can win. Then the Borg continue to modify the deflector to send their long distance call while they start using the Enterprises transporters to start beaming up the Humans around Cochrane's camp and starts assimilating them. Then by the time more Borg cubes arrive in the Beta and Alpha quadrants they will have a large force on Earth assimilating Humanity while also having assimilated the Enterprise and it's data banks with all 300 years of technological improvements that the Federation and it's allies have developed.

[@casbot71]

They didn't even need to kill all the crew (a valuable assimilation resource with their knowledge and skills, and variety of species), just flood all compartments with Anesthezine gas.

[@Jadiaz-ev9hm]

I'd take Data in that fight. He'd blow the ship. We know he can perfectly mimic any officer's voice to initiate the self destruct. He'd find a way, blow the Enterprise, and find a way to make first contact. Borg drones aren't agile or fast overall. They also aren't imaginative, and only adapt after thibgs happen. Data has the edge.

[@donovanbradford8231]

I do find it funny how at this point Worf is the only officer in Starfleet who brings a weapon to fight in close quarters with. Now I get it a phaser can take out most enemies but it's not like you haven't fought against races that can fight in close quarters but also have the ability to disable your phasers so why do you guys not have weapons for that.... come to think of it you still put people on Oberth ships so maybe Barclay was right and admirals really don't care about Starfleet personnel.

[@Nr15121]

Another thing the Terran empire got right hand to hand combat and secondary and melee weapons

[@awesomeatronik]

Speaking of Barclay, he was pretty good with a sword. Maybe if he carried one around he'd be more confident.

[@davidford3115]

@@awesomeatronik Yeah, him going around with a naval saber would have been totally bad@$$.

[@n8650]

This is why noone should ever touch time travel plots

[@Clay3613]

Excuse me, praising Battlestar Galatica will not be tolerated!

[@focusedonfuture3255]

at 3:40 you called the Enterprise the Sovereign

[@LoreReloaded]

Nope, I refer to it as a “sovereign” or the sovereign class.. like referring to voyager as “the intrepid” - I should have been more clear though

[@sptony2718]

imho the villain of First Contact shouldn't have been the queen, but Picard himself. The movie would have had a more logical progression if Picard had subconsciously worked both sides. On one front, he works against the borg and lets his team have a temporary victory, while on the other he sabotages efforts of his own crew to let the borg win. It also would have been more reflective of his prior assimilation into the collective. The borg queen is one of the worst characters of ST ever. Before her, the borg were just that grey intimidating mechanism that demolished everything they came across, no leaders to talk to, just the uncompromising collective as a whole. With the queen, they became nothing but an extension of a comic book villain.

[@davidford3115]

That would have only worked if Picard was not aware that he was batting for the other team. Sure, you could swing it that while he is asleep, that is when the Borg programing takes over. But something tells me he didn't get ANY sleep while the Borg were on the ship.

[@AxelFuentesMusic]

I still wanna know how the Defiant couldn't do the one thing it was originally designed to do 😂 fight and kill the borg

[@steeltimberwolf]

Remember the Defiant wasn't supposed to solo the Borg, it was supposed to be the start of a new Federation Battle fleet. The Defiant was a prototype where the idea was to have a ship with no families, no science labs, no luxuries of any kind, just a pure warship. The Defiant class was the start of a project that led to the Norway, Saber, Steamrunner, Akira and Soverign class starships

[@AxelFuentesMusic]

@Steeltimberwolf and it unfortunately got its ass handed to it by the Borg

[@steeltimberwolf]

@@AxelFuentesMusic Against the Borg it's a war of attrition. You are going to lose ships regardless of how powerful they are. Considering that the fleet was compromised of: 3 Oberth class, 2 Miranda class, 5 Saber class, 3 Akira class, 3 Norway class, 6 Steamrunner class, 3 Nebula class, 1 Soyuz class, 1 Soverign class, 2 unknown class ships, along with the Defiant (ship classes from Alpha Memory Sector 001 page), you see that the Defiant survives the battle while out of that fleet 20 are destroyed. The Defiant class did it's job, it fought and survived. Remember that the Borg are the big bad, able to sweep fleets of ships away to assimilate whole planets. Compared to Beta and Alpha quadrant ships it's a predator able to kill almost everything it goes after, it's only the fact that it's a Starfleet ship do we see that it's the crew that holds it back and not the equipment.

[@Krees82]

The battle had already raged for hours with Starfleet intercepting the cube using swarm tactics and fighting them all the way to Earth. The Defiant had been going the whole time and was still operational despite heavy damage partly thanks to its ablative armour and manoeuvrability compared to other ships in the fleet. I'd say it more than did its job.

[@davidford3115]

Well, considering the man commanding the Defiant, I'm not surprised it got mauled. Worf is the kind of guy who gets into a fight and holds nothing back. If he was the one who lead the first wave against the Borg and was being exceptionally aggressive, the Borg would naturally direct most of their firepower against the Defiant. As pointed out, the fact that other ships are getting popped left and right while the Defiant is still going strong after a several hour-long running battle is a credit to both the ship and her crew.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

Why wouldn't the Borg transport on to the planet first and they could have had a much easier time assimilating lots of humans?

[@Swiftbow]

The humans on Earth were still using firearms. Borg on foot would last hours at most.

[@Im-the-greatest]

Cereal good

[@fgutz1970]

"Hundreds if not thousands"? Try billions if not trillions.

[@LoreReloaded]

I meant species or worlds, what was a misspeak

[@AdmiralJT]

I guess if every problem was solved with the easy logical solution, there wouldn't be much of a story...

[@LoreReloaded]

I think you can write a story that doesn’t have these problems.. bsg , doctor who, and Babylon 5 did it

[@kylehazachode]

You from south Philly? Your accent.

[@jaredcolon4535]

I think I counted 29 decks on that msd provided. Someone let Picard know it's more than almost 24 decks. Unless he means there are almost 24 usable decks and everything else is torpedo storage and shine wax for that bald head

[@bw2082]

I hate time travel. Like if the Borg failed this time, why not go back into the past and try it again. Or why not go back a billion years and use planetary bombardment and wipe out all life on earth when no one is around to stop you? And if that fails, you try again.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

borg aren't too bright. same could be said for starfleet. why not us the slingshot maneuver go back 300 yars and wipe ouit the romulans.

[@bw2082]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 that’s why time travel Stories suck. You can play infinite what if games

[@stevenboggess9805]

T 115 rifles or weapons need for physical damage. Did they learn nothing from the Klingons when it came to hand-to-hand combat. The Borg will adapt to energy weapons they don't adapt to tommy guns and blades

[@PatGunn]

Never made much sense; they could've traveled to the last nowhere near Earth

[@swilliams1000]

yes it was 2063

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

just 41 more years