How the Dutch Controlled Indonesia (1816 - 1942) - A History of the Dutch East Indies

[@XhizorSification]

Good video. Obviously ~150 years of history is very hard to compress to 12 minutes. But an important missing impression here is that, there was never a united "Indonesia" before 1945. The entire idea of the Indonesian nation state was in fact a modern invention, nobody in the 1800s called themselves as such, nor do they speak the language "Indonesian". They see themselves along ethnic and religous lines. Secondly, the entire archipelago was divided to numerous kingdoms and fiefdoms. Feudalism is the dominant form of political organization. With that also even before the Dutch came to trade, Javan, Sumatran, Makassan kingdoms and princes (among others) fought each other for dominance. But not a single kingdom managed to unify the archipelago under direct administration. This allows the Netherlands to conquer the vast islands: they did not fight a united people. They conquered numerous, smaller kingdoms, one by one. In modern day Indonesia children are taught in schools (myself included) the Dutch "divided and conquered" their way to success. As I read more as I get older, this is not true (but I understand why because we need to build a national identity). Furthermore, the strong aristrocratic (but divided) rule of the local sultans and princes allowed for an efficient administration, like you said, where the existing feudal order is reinforced by local rulers, now with Dutch guns, coordinated under a Dutch governor-general. "Ethical" policy only applies for the local aristrocratic elite. There is no general welfare. This pattern of colonial rule can also be seen in colonial British India, and Malaysia next door. I think this is important for people, especially the formerly colonized people to understand that colonialism is'nt enabled by race: it is emboldend feudal rule by the aristocratic class. But feudal rule was nothing to what is often overlooked: the suffering of my countrymen during WW2. John W. Dower cited the 1947 UN report that estimated 4 million famine and forced labor dead during the Japanese Occupation of Indonesia. 4 million, In the years 1942 -45. This immense suffering forged an strong sense of social solidarity, and immense distrust and skepticism of the old aristocrats. Like the Dutch, the fascist Japanese used local rulers as an extension of their rule. In a relatively short period of time, a national conciousness of a new nation was born. The thirst and desire for freedom was so strong that as fascist Japan retreated, That youth milita groups kidnapped Sukarno (most respected and senior nationalist figure that prefers gradual and diplomatic independence) and threatened him to proclaim Independence without anyone's permission, or else. It was also clear that the Dutch wanted to rule over us again, but it was not without the fanatical resistance of the Indonesian revolution like the battle of Surabaya '45 that the international community cared and the allies to force the Dutch to stop their aggression, largely because the Dutch was using their Marshall plan funds for the war. The bloody Indonesian revolution allowed for a new order to be born out of the ruins of the old : no emperors, no queens, no sultans (except for Jogjakarta which supported the Republic during the revolution), all Dutch companies are nationalized, all Indo-Dutch are forced to return to the Netherlands. Today, the struggle for democracy is still on-going. Indonesians elected their first president directly only in 2004. Greetings from Jakarta. I've been to the Hague and Amsterdam. Lovely places.

[@HistoryHustle]

Thank you very much for the additional information!

[@muhammadpratamaputraibrahi9534]

Daffa Sudrajat very well said, very thoroughly said... :)

[@renelogtenberg141]

Daffa Sudrajat, finally a comment from somebody who knows what he is talking about. Very well said. Salam dari Negeri Belanda.

[@Pure_Boxing]

I'm from Cape Town South Africa. Another place the VOC spreadits tentacles. Many of the slaves captured in the " south indo" Island regions were brought to the Cape in the later 1600s and earlier 1700s. Some of the royalty are still praised for establishing the religion of Islam in the Cape.

[@ammarwibisono]

Well said, bro. As our founding father Sukarno said, "Your struggle is more difficult because you will fight against your own people", that is so true.

[@bayupriyawaskita2222]

Second comment coming from Batavia but currently at Buitenzorg ...we were told at school that the Dutch use “devide et impera” tactics but i think all colonial power all across the ages from roman times to modern era all use the same if not similar methods 😁

[@HistoryHustle]

It was indeed a very broadly used tactic. Buitenzorg is now called Bogor right? I was in Bogor in 2016, lovely gardens!

[@HistoryHustle]

@@wouterweyland Yes, I think you are referring to the Cultivation System (cultuurstelsel) that exploited Javanese farmers from 1830 onwards.

[@theon9575]

Bayu Priyawaskita I am sure you are right overall, but with exceptions. In Australia, the English took over with brute force and simply denied that it was inhabited but was just there for the taking! The Spanish, as well as divide-and-rule, came in the name of their God and controlled by cruelly & viciously forcing their religion on the people, as in South America and the Philippines.

[@ikynomics]

Buitenzorg segale, Bogor aja udah wkkwkw...Bogor aman nih korona?

[@alexandermonty5802]

same

[@maybeacow9701]

Again, great work, keep it up!

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks!

[@icecoffee1361]

Amazing again moving onto Indonesia independence now 😉 and is in my top 5 fav channels 👍🏻 ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@HistoryHustle]

Thank you, this Saturday another one about Indonesia will be uploaded.

[@rgb9795]

for this kind of quality content you definitely deserve more SUBSCRIBER!!

[@HistoryHustle]

Thank you. Feel free to share 👍

[@luxembourgishempire2826]

Keep it up Stefan! I remember watching this again!

[@HistoryHustle]

Much appreciated, glad you watched it again.

[@rookieyoutuber672]

First comment, From Sumatra Jambi Province of Indonesia

[@HistoryHustle]

Hello! Thanks for the first comment and I hope you liked the video:)

[@chaseskalon3622]

Keep on keeping on buddy! Love the videos!

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks! Nice to read.

[@macosta3499]

This is so goooooood

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks!

[@LekkerRekkenYT]

Zal voor de verandering is in NL’s reageren. Dit was een goede video, bedankt. Enige fout die je in mijn optiek maakte was de verhouding van Europese soldaten en Indo soldaten. Enig idee waar goede literatuur (gelieve online) over te vinden is over het Nederlands koloniaal verleden? Het is moeilijk om in zo’n lange geschiedenis echt een rode draad terug te vinden. Ik vind zelf de geografische/koloniale verschuivingen vooral van Nederland enorm interessant en hoe dat tot stand is gekomen. Heb jij enig idee? Gegroet van een mede geschiedenis freak

[@HistoryHustle]

Hoi Rickertt, onze koloniale geschiedenis is lang en veelomvattend, dus om daar bondige literatuur over te vinden is een uitdaging. Wellicht vind je dit interessant, google eens op "De Minnemoer van het Moederland - Slavernij in Nederlands-Indië". Dit is een aspect van ons koloniale verleden wat interessant is om te lezen. Laat maar weten wat je ervan vindt. En verder raad ik boeken aan. Weliswaar niet online en redelijk veelomvattend, maar zeker de moeite waard. Je kunt natuurlijk ook je toevlucht zoeken tot schoolboeken. Denk bijvoorbeeld aan het oude examenkatern "De koloniale relatie Nederland en Nederlands-Indië", voor een prikkie nog wel ergens te krijgen.

[@LekkerRekkenYT]

History Hustle ja oude geschiedenis boeken zouden nog interessant zijn. Maar we hebben nooit specifiek zo uitgebreid het behandeld helaas op school. Toch bedankt voor de tip en zal is kijken

[@ansosboy8687]

2:47 Sultanate of Aceh is Ottoman Empire Protectorate before conquered by Dutch in 1903 they very close to Turks and Recognize Ottoman Empire as Caliphate for Muslims Ummah

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks for sharing!

[@narata4960]

I was wondering if you could possibly find the history of "afdeeling padanglawas" from the begining of dutch military looking for Tuanku Tambusi who was the troop in chief of Tuanku Imam Bonjol . Thanks a lot, your streaming is really usefull for us in Indonesia sir

[@HistoryHustle]

I did make a video about Imam Bonjol on location a while ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ7RkpmandSFerM

[@tamaliaalisjahbana6849]

As an Indonesian what can one say but God bless America!

[@kimberlyidk8335]

I have a question but will u respond asp bc I need help with my hw my question is “How did Imperialism change Indonesia”? I would appreciate if u could help Me

[@HistoryHustle]

Good question. Hard to say because you have to wonder what would've happened what if Indonesia was never colonized. I do think in short that is made Indonesia as a nation. Because of the colonization the Indonesians united themselves. Else it would've never become one country.

[@viennaazza1279]

@@HistoryHustle so explain to me too about Operation of West Papua Libération on 1962 from Dutch Government. All Dutch forced only brave to face old people, unarmed people or killed baby but when Indonesia got Soviet war equipment and want to fight against Dutch gov till the end and the Dutch run far way behind the their boss asshole that is US. Dutch instantly agreed of leaving West Papua.

[@vintageb8]

Excellent research. 1:55 why are there other nationalities other than Dutch in the KNIL?

[@HistoryHustle]

Sharp observation. Actually on the right you see a KNIL soldier in the Netherlands being greeted by a Dutch officer.

[@renelogtenberg141]

Hi Irwan, The Netherlands were simply too small to get enough soldiers. Secondly there was not much enthusiasm to go to Hindia Belanda because a lot died within six Months because of a tropical desease. At it's hayday in 1900 the KNIL had 50.000 men. 1.000 were Dutch, 2.000 were German or Belgian. 37.000 were Javanese and the rest Moluccan or from Menado.

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks for sharing, Rene!

[@renelogtenberg141]

@@HistoryHustle big respect for your history channel. You are doing a great job.

[@AR-bh3mn]

Imagine the colonial of the past.... Indonesians have accepted the doctrine not to trust anyone after independence........ Actually we learned something like "Don't want to be colonized by other people".... It's actually very scary to have to remember the history of colonization by other countries such as Portugese, UK, Spain, the Netherlands and Japan! Colonized by 5 countries in history! 🤧

[@HistoryHustle]

Yet, as of today Indonesia is an independent country.

[@torowa4917]

we will never forget forever about the VOC

[@HistoryHustle]

Yes, but this video isn't about the VOC but what came after it.

[@johnkrieg9368]

Please make a video about the movie Max Havelaar..

[@HistoryHustle]

I don't do movies. That's not where this channel is about.

[@johnkrieg9368]

@@HistoryHustle How about more videos about the era depicted on that movie..Nah, that's alright, I subbed anyway..

[@thomaschenlin1676]

It seems indonesia obtained the independence fortunately, when dutch and japan defeated so no one was controlled indonesia at that moment

[@HistoryHustle]

Yes, Japan delivered the first big blow and the Indonesians (militairily) and US (politically) did the other part.

[@f.s.firdaus8106]

Fortune is nothing without balls. Indonesian freedom fighters have balls to declare independence as soon as possible.

[@ddiver2200]

The Dutch mistake is combining colonies and centralizing the center, not giving regional autonomy so that the opportunity to form its own independence in each island and kingdom does not exist, imagine if there were many countries in the archipelago there would be no inner conflict between ethnic groups and free self-determination

[@oneof29]

@@ddiver2200 though I can imagine the outwards conflict that might have risen up if it is like that, just like pre-dutch period

[@alastair9446]

Japanese probably lft a lot of weapons for them to be able to fight against the Dutch.

[@gaditya4625]

Well made video. What was the source of the background starting at @2:33, I'd heard this in many Dutch Colonial videos :)

[@HistoryHustle]

Believe it's a map of the Dutch East Indies from 1930.

[@gaditya4625]

@@HistoryHustle hey thanks for replying. I was actually requesting about the source of the background music starting at @2:33.

[@HistoryHustle]

Cambodian Odyssey by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

[@gaditya4625]

@@HistoryHustle Thank you so much

[@arrafassan6252]

Now Indonesia and the Netherlands are friends 🇮🇩🤝🇳🇱

[@HistoryHustle]

Indeed.

[@viennaazza1279]

Oh yeah, are you sure? For now Dutch and European Community banned Indonesian natural product such as cocoa, palm oil, soybean etc because they will protect their European product such as sunflower oil. In other hand Dutch and European Community forced Indonesia to export earth resources such nickel etc because their steel industries in Europe will be in trouble their logistic supply. Once the country becoming aggressor will always be aggressor forever.

[@londonbowcat1]

@@viennaazza1279 1:30 what revolts ?

[@viennaazza1279]

@@londonbowcat1 Just remain to the west or NATO, Europe or even the Dutch that they always make a propaganda that their law or their standard is better than than the east or developing countries that will be denied by Mr. Jokowi, Indonesian président that urged we must grow equal not just together.

[@kaikalter]

6:42 wel have i ever.. a ducth flag waving next to a moutain so tall the top is snowed?

[@HistoryHustle]

Yes, some Indonesian mountains had (have?) snow. I know the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army even had some greatcoats they issued to troops stationed on these mountains. Extremely rare though.

[@atsir0]

@@HistoryHustle have

[@andreypolovinko1244]

Another interesting moment. It was famous Russian botanist A. N. Krasnov and he did travel to Dutch colonies during 1892. He described in his book that it was forbidden for all local people even for servants, stuarts, rulers to study Dutch language. In case, that Dutch didn't want to spread any knowledge or any important information about yourself. And it was a big difference from English colonies. Is it really was like that how he disribed? Thank you.

[@HistoryHustle]

Good question. I honestly dunno. Perhaps it was incidental.

[@simonshiels1]

Sounds a bit like the Roman Catholic Church not allowing the plebs to learn Latin......keep them ignorant

[@Michiel_de_Jong]

I wonder where Sukarno and rest of the Indonesian ruling elite were educated... .. oh wait ... in dutch, by the Dutch, in dutch schools, .. and than at universities in the Netherlands.

[@Four-of-Six]

You did a nice job on this! Will watch the other documentries , you made/make! BTW; Can you provide some info on former Dutch ex-Waffen SS soldiers which were captured after the war and send to fight in Indonesia during the Politionele Acties for the Dutch?

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks!

[@HistoryHustle]

Interesting topic, Dutch volunteers in German service will be covered in the future.

[@mikhailv67tv]

I read a fiction book based on a similar basis of SS men that fought for the French in Indo China.

[@johnbrandalle1526]

Indonesia tak akan ada tanpa peran penting belanda yang berhasil menaklukkan raja2 nusantara sehingga menjadi satu wilayah kolonial yang bernama hindia belanda...jadi menurutku yang berhasil menyatukan nusantara menjadi negara kesatuan indonesia adalah belanda.

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks for sharing.

[@Hinji2413]

Every time I watch one of these history videos about terrible atrocities and governments over stepping there bounds it always seems to come back to censorship in some way. I hope we learn from our mistakes one day.

[@HistoryHustle]

I see. What do you mean by censorship?

[@Hinji2413]

@@HistoryHustle Suppressing demonizing or outright silencing people with opposing opinions. As well controlling/limiting the means of witch people receives information. Always knew it happened just never really played it much mind.

[@HistoryHustle]

I see.

[@officer8799]

And now it's rare for Indonesians of Dutch descent

[@HistoryHustle]

I know, many of the descendents came to the Netherlands after 1949.

[@michaelverbakel7632]

My parents came from Holland. My uncle( my mom's brother) was sent to the Dutch East Indies by Dutch conscription in 1949. He was there for two years but luckily survived and returned home to get married(my aunt Mary) and start a family and new life in Canada. Another uncle may have gone to Indonesia at the same time but I'm not sure of that story. Our family has another connection to the East Indies. Apparently a relative or two of my mother's grandparents went to Indonesia in the early 1900's from Holland but I guess it did not work out and came back. But they brought back a young girl with them. She was clearly East Asian and my mother called her an adopted aunt. I can still remember seeing a photo of this lady( I still don't know her name)with my mother standing next to her that was taken in the early 1950's.

[@tatakrama]

You should explain nederland indies rules that pribumi is third class in all of sector and salary, thats why they want to free from dutch colonialism. You should explain "dog and pribumi not to enter this room/building".

[@HistoryHustle]

Please explain, I'm not sure what you mean.

[@tatakrama]

@@HistoryHustle Indigenous people didnt want to free from colonialism if dutch didnt take to racism rule to colonialism, like hongkong etc. You can read more in historibersama.com

[@HistoryHustle]

I see now

[@mjpMALIK]

Fourth, we are lower than dog and livestock back in the day

[@ahmadganteng7435]

Because they just going dutch.. Yep, that is what happen.. Indonesia as a nation is a serendipity of Dutch colonialism.. If not because of the same fate our ancestor endure then there will be hundreds of nations in what is now Indonesia.. And those nation might have many rivalry over many issue..

[@HistoryHustle]

Going Dutch usually means another thing (splitting the bill), but yeah I get your point.

[@ahmadganteng7435]

@@HistoryHustle I believe that also means to do something that looks impossible.

[@londonbowcat1]

@@ahmadganteng7435 6:10 what war was this ?

[@ahmadganteng7435]

@@londonbowcat1 The war of Prince Diponegoro or also referred as Java War.

[@janvanwelvaart8334]

Keep on track dude, reveal the history by objective opinion.

[@HistoryHustle]

👍

[@elmariwanlubis4826]

You can not find any history written objectively.

[@janvanwelvaart8334]

@@elmariwanlubis4826 it's not about what was written, but how we see objectively.

[@elmariwanlubis4826]

@@janvanwelvaart8334 still, you see it from what was written. Anyone may look from their own perspectives, especially on history

[@saptono]

I wonder why when Germany invaded and ruled the Nethelands in 1939 why East Indies still rules as usual by themselves until 1942? Did Hitler had hasn't any interest to them? Or maybe there are other things I am yet to know?

[@HistoryHustle]

Germany occupied the Netherlands in 1940. The Dutch government fled to England and therefore became a government in exile. The Dutch East Indies remained under its control. I do now that from that moment on Germans and pro-Nazi Dutch people in Indonesia were interned.

[@alastair9446]

Beause the English ruled the seas. No way, HItler could get a army to Indonesia.

[@danawicaksono7383]

please learn, Japan ww2 formed local military organizations and community institutions in the Dutch East Indies, (like: heiho, kyode be geugun(peta), putera, java hokokai, seinendan, jibakutai, tokubetsu kaisatsu tai) the aim of the propaganda was to hate the Dutch and fight the allies... so that when British troops entered the Dutch East Indies, they encountered resistance from local people who were affected by Japanese doctrine, which resulted in a period of bersiap and conflict with the Dutch,, Local Military kyode be geugun (PETA) have 36000 soldiers, for fighting the dutc and Allied..

[@shakillaloveena379]

I come from Riau... You may come to Siak empire ( Siak-Riau ). We have a sultan..his name is Sultan syarif qasim

[@HistoryHustle]

Thanks for sharing!

[@shakillaloveena379]

If you have a writing or article about the king and sultan from sumtera please send to me. I want to know the story from the Dutch version

[@HistoryHustle]

Can't say I have any sources on this, sorry.

[@aravind5490]

why did he skip the liberal system

[@HistoryHustle]

Please explain.

[@krasnamerah1926]

​@@HistoryHustle, probably he got irked on why you didn't cover too much about the Ethical Policies Era (1900-1942).

[@viennaazza1279]

Dutch government on Indonesia surrendered to Japan soldiers for only one week And Dutch government in Netherland surrendered to Hitler for only 3 days. So why didn't explain it too so we can appreciate to Mr. Hitler to occupied the Dutch so because of Hitler's role so Indonesian could expressed their independence status to Dutch. For Indonesian, Hitler is viewed as a hero.

[@HistoryHustle]

The Dutch forces in NL surrendered after 5 days. The KNIL forces surrendered after two months.

[@Izellflynn]

I from Indonesia:O

[@HistoryHustle]

Welcome to the channel!

[@laurens176]

40 to 80.... should be 40 to 60% I guess

[@HistoryHustle]

Which part?

[@alexandermonty5802]

comment from medan north sumatra

[@HistoryHustle]

Cheers! I visited Medan in 2016.

[@alexandermonty5802]

@@HistoryHustle quite a messed up city right?

[@HistoryHustle]

Yeah, wasn't my favorite haha...

[@mulyadinaiborhu7275]

I remembered when i was in Senior High, i was in public transportation in Parapat. And among us there was 2 white peolple. One local guy was asked me to ask the white of where they came from. I asked them and they said they are from dutch or in Indonesia we call Bolanda. People stopped the car and ask them to go out from the car just as they knew they are dutch.... No more occupation no matter what the form is...

[@HistoryHustle]

I see... For me as a Dutch person I've never encountered such attitudes when visiting Indonesia...

[@anwarsiswanto2127]

The Dutch flag is dark red and the Indonesians tore the blue, so the red is the same

[@HistoryHustle]

I think so too.

[@londonbowcat1]

@@HistoryHustle 2:24 they still killed selves

[@waynesutherland-rs6ct]

the british established the british Commonwealth

[@HistoryHustle]

Ok!

[@bksicute]

in that time, dutch was a great country, dutchman like germany, not like england. based on my grandfa story, old generation of dutch were evil, and many educated dutch was good with Indonesian...

[@HistoryHustle]

Hope you liked the video. Thanks for your reply.

[@agro784]

The dutch slavery is more cruel than SS

[@HistoryHustle]

Read about WWII in Europe I advice.

[@agro784]

@@HistoryHustle being honest with yourself is better than covering one's lies with other lies

[@agro784]

And The greatness of the Netherlands is that it can prosecute war criminals from any country in the world, but hide the criminals of their own country

[@muhammadfauzan1728]

ACEH 🔥

[@HistoryHustle]

Yes, I actually visited the region and made this video;: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJekoKdpbt9mb6s

[@mistyerisa]

The Dutch are very epic when it comes to Colonization, but they get the biggest kick from indonesia, very sad... Dutch east indies big restoration. That unless Nato 😣😣😣😂😂😂😣😣😣🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱

[@HistoryHustle]

Not sure what you mean by saying this...

[@SnowtigerVIL]

Well if they kept going with the violence without a warning from America.. hmmm i dont think they got the biggest kick from indonesia and not many people in the Netherlands see it like they lost but still want to say sorry for their past so yes nobody tells they are sorry for losing 🤔😂 (in my opinion i think they got really defeated by the japanese empire)

[@SnowtigerVIL]

(Btw with the sentence: not many people in the nls see it like they lost -> they see it like they did something cruel and unfair to indonesia by trying to not give them independence)

[@SnowtigerVIL]

And i wont come back so i'll give you some info: the proof is in the history books ;P & on the indo neth death count list & yes there is more after this time line situation but then you need to comment there whatever you wanna say

[@alastair9446]

My understanding the Dutch actually won the wars against the Indonesia rebels by a far stretch. The problem was they were funding the war with aid recieved from the USA to rebuld the Neatherlands. So when the USA told them to pull out or have the money taken away they pulled out.

[@pimkoch8263]

GEKOLONISEERD

[@HistoryHustle]

Zucht

[@chrisuitbrabant5214]

Ik lees dat u ook een vaderlandschlievend man blijkt.

[@Alt333_]

kalian sungguh kejam

[@HistoryHustle]

English please.

[@leonmoora2942]

ga Ada belanda, ga Ada Indonesia.. clear

[@Alt333_]

@Garren para belanda, wkwkw

[@Alt333_]

@@HistoryHustle you're so sadistic

[@wanimajugaming9777]

How dutch controlled majapahit empire

[@HistoryHustle]

They didn't because the empire fell apart pretty much before the Dutch seized full control. After its peak in the 14th century, the power of the Majapahit began to decline, partly due to a war over the succession to the throne in 1401, which lasted four years. The empire proved unable to contain the growing power of the Malacca sultanate. Records of the end of the Majapahit Empire provide a date ranging from 1478 to 1520.

[@wanimajugaming9777]

Oh, okay. Thx for explanation

[@apefromthekitchen]

Hilbert de Indo

[@HistoryHustle]

Not sure what you mean...

[@ananyashukla7737]

Urgh you copy crash course (John Green)

[@HistoryHustle]

Please explain.

[@devata87]

I kinda sad the dutch didn't convert us into Christianity. You know why?

[@HistoryHustle]

It was done partially, but islam was rooted well in most of the territories. To avoid further resistance they Dutch had more economic goals.

[@devata87]

@@HistoryHustle at least with Christianity we can live here together side by side. But with islam we filled ourselves with hatred bloodthirsty radicals. Damn no wonder our previous Hindu-Buddha empire disappear didn't stand a chance to these radicals. And now Europe invites them to their land.. hahaha good luck dealing with them.

[@devata87]

@Akasha I'm not against Hindu but Hindu is kinda weak as a nation because Hindu is pure spirituality and culture. I don't know maybe I'm wrong, maybe something will change in near future, who knows.

[@ikanmasin]

Actually you got it all wrong. Islam in the ancient time during majapahit era muslims are economy based. It's the christian that came attacking muslims because based on history the Muslims countries (persia, ottoman, babylon, egypt, lebanon etc) are rich af. When cristiana mercenaries come to west Asia (middle east) they all use golds, spices, perfumes, oils, they have everything. Why the countries in Asia are rich during that time? Because they are peaceful, they trade with each other start from the barter system all the way to the money system. My question...why did the Europeans (majority christians) came to Asia? Weren't they the people that invaded Asia? Or Asia invaded Europe?

[@alastair9446]

@@ikanmasin Actually Muslim world attacked first. They took a third of the Christain world by force and converted it to Islam. Think SYria and North Africa, and Spain and Turkey. Look up where the early Popes came from, they were from SYria. The crusades were a response to Muslim aggression.

[@fransromy5403]

Netherland is mean nothing for us.

[@HistoryHustle]

What do you mean? - the Netherlands were mean? - the Netherlands mean nothing to you?

[@fransromy5403]

@@HistoryHustle I confused when i know so many the name from indonesia these used for name streets in netherlands, even the name of indonesian peoples. You should not did it, your people like evil for indonesian at the colonial period, and you have failed, shame on you.

[@mikhailv67tv]

@@fransromy5403 Stefan is hustling history not lying about it.

[@londonbowcat1]

@@mikhailv67tv 08:00 why did they become nationalist ?