How the Far Right Took Over Italy - TLDR News

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Italy has a general election coming up, and with the country in disarray, it seems that the country might be about to swing to the right... hard. So in this video we'll explain how the Brothers of Italy managed to take over Italian politics, and how the country may go from a technocratic leader to far right president.
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[@steveosborne2297]

I’ve been living in Italy for many years and in that time I see how the electoral votes . It seems somewhat different to other countries because they tend not to vote for something but they tend to vote against something . Brothers of Italy being the only party not in government will automatically attract a large number of votes so that people can vote against the existing government . Exactly the same thing happened sometime ago with five star .

[@97Corvi]

Yhea, and as soon as the opposition becomes the new goverment, the lose support because now they are the establishment -___-"

[@spanishSpaniard]

That how most countries vote. Thats exactly how trump got so many votes on 2016 and why the extreme left and rigth feed of each other if there is a comunist party some will swing in the opposite direction and if there is a far right party other will swing in the opposite direction.

[@errorcrj110]

Unrelated but is "FDL" an accurate abbreviation? Would've expected "FDI".

[@SadisNic]

It's been the plague of the US for at least two decades now. As an example, I voted Jo Jorgenson (3rd party, Libertarian) in the last US presidential election and it's gotten so bad that conservatives berate me when the topic arises because "Any vote not for Donald Trump is a vote for Joe Biden". Most of the US election (whether it be Senator, Governor, etc.) propaganda tends to lean towards "This person worked with China", "That person voted to us tax dollars to kill babies", "They want to take your guns" in order to encourage people to violate their morals and vote for the other Big candidate to prevent the "extremist" from winning. Our First-Past-The-Post electoral system only makes the problem worse, the system I believe the US and Italy share at least partially.

[@johanneshjortshj8646]

He's hoping that they vote against them later...

[@masterjunky863]

I'm Italian, here politics works like this: "the government is a thief!", "Hi, I'm a new guy who will change everything", many people vote for the new guy and he goes to the government, "the government is a thief!", "Hi, I'm a new guy who will change everything" and so on, for ever.

[@karamram6690]

Piove, Governo ladro!

[@xxxxxx....]

Si ma il punto è che la meloni non è neanche nuova quindi proprio qui non si ragiona 😂

[@mohamedabdukadir3271]

So you mean all of them are thievies

[@arma7267]

@@mohamedabdukadir3271 I would say that the average italian is "stupid", or a dreamer always looking for the goverment who will have the solutions for all the problems.

[@francescosantambrogio6421]

@@mohamedabdukadir3271 exactly, however people are so desperate that they fall easely for every empty promises.

[@filippobono324]

"looking at the political situation of italy... You might think that decisions are made at random" That's the first time I felt an emotional blow from ad add read. Sad but true...

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah

[@Marvin-ii7bh]

he burned a whole country just like thatXD

[@paid14]

Ad add read?

[@PkPvre]

This is at the end of every video.

[@whitezombie10]

@@Marvin-ii7bh nah, we already know it

[@prometheus7387]

Isn't Italian politics like the most volatile thing ever? Even if the brothers of Italy win, I'm sure they'll be gone in the next election.

[@Skibbi198]

I'll give them a year in office before a technocrat is put in charge.

[@giuseppeanoardi3973]

They won't even get that far while Berlusconi lives. The man is not so keen on being in an alliance where he is not the de facto ruler; he will likely stab the far right alliance before the next important vote (municipalities/europe) to present himself as the leader of a new moderate (centre) cohalition with him as the candidate President of the country. It is a game continuously played here.

[@davide4731]

Internal squabbling within the party and other far right parties will surely cause the gov to collapse in one or two years lol

[@cobbler9113]

We in the UK have been giving them a run for their money in recent years.

[@prometheus7387]

@@Skibbi198 possibly. Also Italy is probably the kind of country where even a powerful autocrat will lose control easily.

[@briangasser973]

Knowing Italy, the party will have to be in a coalition and water down its views. In two years of governing, it will be unpopular and there will be another election.

[@covfefe1787]

the coalition will be a far right one so no there wont be as much moderation unlike the last coalition.

[@Realityisnt]

Bingo.

[@bellicapelli8155]

they will have such a large majority that early elections are quite unlikely. They'll have full freedom of enacting every policy they like. The only caveat is the eu recovery plan: they will probably lose a lot of consensus to get the money, but that doesn't mean they will finish their 5 years mandate

[@eucalypso]

Ahahahah yes😂😂

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@covfefe1787 good. Italy could benefit from it well.

[@danieleiseppon]

as an italian who's interested in politics, i gotta say there are a few mistakes in this video: the lega nord logo shown is the old logo of the party (northern league), but since 2018 salvini's party changed name and symbol, in fact it's now called lega per salvini premier (league for salvini premier) the polls at 4:49 show the inverted percentages of forza italia and league, salvini's league is now around the 13% and berlusconi's forza italia is below the 10% aside this, the rest of the video is pretty accurate and explains the italian situation fairly well

[@ernstthalmann4306]

As an ethnic Italian in America: please help people get away from the far right. We've seen this before in Italy.

[@youtubeuser1993]

@@ernstthalmann4306 I mean brothers of italy are dumb and incompetent but have nothing to do with the bald guy c'mon

[@danieleiseppon]

@@ernstthalmann4306 believing that giorgia meloni or matteo salvini will bring back fascism in italy is a common misconception spread around by the scared and ignorant (about how politics works nowadays) part of the italian left. Meloni and salvini are modern politicians who just want to achieve power, use it to their own good and the good of their party colleagues, and letting the economy float the bit necessary to remain in their position of power. If you study political science and compared political systems you'll discover that western societies are too complex to be ruled by autocracies, a rich country is basically impossible to turn from democracy to dictatorship/autocracy/fascism. Of course the next meloni government will hurt italian economy, growth, society and civil rights, but it's what keeps happening for decades and the left parties wouldn't do much different. Anyway, i just wanted to say you don't have to worry about italian far right because it will bring back fascism, but because italian society will suffer due to their ineptitude to govern and their stupid ideology against european union laws and directives.

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

@@ernstthalmann4306 if we turn fascist again im leaving, especially considering im german in the north and they will ban our language yet again. No wonder they dont wanna give us austrian citizenship

[@kingolas4676]

@@ernstthalmann4306 Lol, do you enjoy the democratic cities in USA where they just talk about LGBT and defund the police, where crime rises and people are homeless? Fuck the left. Everywhere the left wins, the country stays a mess. Italy will rise again in 25th september with Meloni and Salvini.

[@Konve]

"Italy is not into the EU! ... Except when Italy gets 1/4 of the recovery funds." - Brothers of Italy.

[@nevarran]

These extremist parties always soften up when they smell money :) Sadly now the recovery funds will go in the pockets of the rich. Although that would've happened if the country is governed by the left all the same, so...

[@Gamermax98]

When Italy was debating whether to accept those funds or not Brothers of Italy was against them though. But since they've been accepted by the left what good would it do to still refuse them now anyway, it's not like you can just return them, what matters is that they are used properly, it's not about the EU.

[@dinosgura]

@@Gamermax98 Correct, just another huge pile of debt on our shoulders that our hungry communist bureaucracy will devour. Conservatives were right in this case.

[@nevarran]

@@Gamermax98 You're saying they didn't want money from the EU? And now when they are coming in power they can't say no to these funds? Are you smoking something? What's their stance on drugs, that will affect you...

[@Gamermax98]

@@nevarran Ending your answer with a degrading comment towards me shows how mature you are. And yes, right-wing parties, like the League and Brothers of Italy, were against those funds from the start, and while the League changed idea and ended up voting in favor, Brothers of Italy kept voting against them until the end. Regarding your second question, they technically could refuse them but it would probably crash the markets and throw Italy into the shitter so there is no point in doing it, if you noticed they changed their stance on the funds from "we don't want them" to "how can we use them effectively" right after they were approved right for this reason. P.S. If i liked smoking weed and supported the people who are trying to have it legalised i wouldn't be here trying to have a civil discussion, I would be insulting random people like you are doing right now! ;)

[@jesseberg3271]

Calling it "Mussolini's march on Rome" is being too generous to him. _The Fascists_ marched on Rome, but Mussolini was hiding out on the Swiss border, ready to flee into exile if the government cracked down on his followers. *Edit* It's been pointed out to me that he was in Milan, which is not all the way to the Swiss border. Milan is, however, about ten times further from Rome than it is from Switzerland, and he was a chicken-shit little punk, ready to flee into exile, abandoning his followers if things went against him.

[@dog-ez2nu]

As with all serial narcissists. Which it's SO great to see there more of in charge of massive, influential world powers.

[@whitezombie10]

1. He was in Milan 2. That's how the historical event is called

[@rafaelcastro8070]

It is despicable see a facist candidate in the 1° place on the polls. I will pray every day to this facists parties ( Brothers of Italy, Liga Norte, etc ) lose, the election. ( Unfortunatly, I dont have any friends or relatives in Italy to influentiate )

[@jesseberg3271]

@@whitezombie10 1) fair point. 2) no it isn't. It's simply called, "The March on Rome" (La Marcia su Roma). Calling it "Mussolini's March on Rome" is a deliberate choice, and a wrong one.

[@aivinni9838]

@@jesseberg3271 well, some people might confuse it with Caesar, so a little clarification goes a long way

[@nevarran]

The Italian Center-Right Union (1 right wing party and 2 far right parties, not sure how that makes CENTER-right, but it's how they call it) is the most genius thing I've seen in my life. They are both in the government, and in opposition. They are both pro-EU, and anti-EU. They are both very hard against immigration, and somehow soft on it. They somehow took down Draghi's government, and are disappointed and angry that it was taken down. Every question you pick, one part of their union's stance is FOR and another part's AGAINST. And somehow people fall for it.

[@evocati6523]

Only far right to you, to sensible people they are very much center. You are just so far left that everything right of the USSR seems extreme

[@nevarran]

@@evocati6523 Good to know that's the only point you disagree with ;)

[@wabalaladabdab]

@@evocati6523 Far right compare to our democratic European political standards and consensus. Of course, if you compare to the early 1940's, they're almost moderate. So yes, depends on the point of view. But if you support them, why can't you just embrace that you support the far-right. (Since you brought up the usual "communist card", those very few people who are still communists, at least they embrace it proudly of being communist/far left, and not playing around with words. Wich even if you disagree with them, more admirable than the hypocrite, two-faced pussy far-right trying to rebrand the same oldshit every couple of years under some new euphemisms.

[@italyball2166]

@@evocati6523 alright, call their islamophobia, homotransphobia e non-sense racism "center". You see, they just want to appear as a centrist party to appeal most without the whole far-right stigma. But in reality they are far-right in all of the points

[@samsoncooper1]

Or could it be yo are so far right you compare everything to a country most people on the left find abhorrent, like its representative of the lefts views. Perhaps you are so far right that yo call centrist left wing communists, or even left wing people supporters of the USSR and all of its issues including totalitarianism and authoritarianism when most on the left are looking to better the most vulnerable in societies lives.

[@seansmith3058]

Italian politics always reminds me of the joke about San Francisco weather: If you don't like it, wait a few hours and it will change.

[@francescos7361]

Nobis

[@rapier1954]

That is about the size of it.

[@colombosmarco]

As an Italian hearing "The brothers of Italy", I can't stop laughing

[@ermin2248]

why?

[@colombosmarco]

@@ermin2248 I'm just used to the italian name that thinking about the translation sounds funny. That's it

[@Carlomango_768]

@@ermin2248 "Fratelli d'Italia" isn't just the name of Meloni's party, it's also the first line of our national anthem. It's a line everyone in Italy is very familiar with, and the English translation sounds a little weird as a result.

[@leobat7007]

It should be "Italian Brethren"

[@Nikolaj11]

To be completely honest, it makes me think of Nintendo.

[@sevret313]

I'm surprised with how quickly new parties forms in Italy. Compared to Norway where the youngest party with parliamentary presence was created in 1988. (Ignoring a single-issue protest party that got 0.2% of the votes nationally)

[@eaman11]

They promise the moon and after 6 months reality bites back. Sad that some people always have a soft spot for the story tellers.

[@ermin2248]

At least it's interesting to follow the politics. You must be really bored with seeing the same parties the whole life in Norway.

[@sevret313]

@@ermin2248 Oh we do get a change in which parties are relevant. You just need to wait 25 years before they get any national representation.

[@felixb6]

Compare that to America where our youngest party with congressional presence was created in 1854

[@sevret313]

@@felixb6 Yeah definitely a big difference. Our first and oldest was created in 1884. The first two parties where Left and Right. And now they're both regarded as right-wing parties and in a parliament with 9 parties, they're right next to each other on the political axis with no one in between.

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

Honestly looking at the political history of Italy gives one the impression that Italians just prefer to suffer.

[@3bydacreekside]

That's...pretty much ever catholic I know, loves that suffering and doesnt mind a bit of pain.

[@kinggeedorah8303]

@@3bydacreekside WTF no, where did you learn this bullshit?😂

[@angelostagnitto4755]

@Garrett Powell what the fuck does being Catholic have to do with this?

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Well i dont but noone votes for left parties

[@commenter4190]

@@3bydacreekside being catholic (today just less than 20% of italian attend church) has nothing to do with that, you have a very insane image of the italians and catholicism

[@thepeach03]

The point of the Italian political system is to be so volatile that either the far right can't get in or can't hold on to power

[@kfhroe8262]

Now, in Italy they are changing the PM, in UK we are changing the PM. In Italy all electors will do it. In UK only Tories registered electors will chose next PM. Question: What country is more democratic between the two?

[@sk00p]

@@kfhroe8262 Draghi resigned after his party lost its vote of confidence. Boris resigned after winning his parties vote of confidence. The Tory hold a majority, I have no idea in Italy. All I know is you're talking political bollocks.

[@thepeach03]

@@kfhroe8262 They're both capitalist so neither, all parties are in the pockets of donors.

[@kfhroe8262]

@@sk00p Facts speak louder than vote of confidence. A country where an handful of person can choose the next PM are less democratic than a country where all the population can choose a PM.

[@kfhroe8262]

@@thepeach03 Wrong. If crocodile bites me it is worst than an ant bites me.

[@ReaperCH90]

Italians learned a long time ago how to live despite having among the worst politicians in Europe.

[@gaia7240]

Yeah by evading taxes or moving abroad

[@filipporiva2555]

Oh yes no Italian tax payer in Italy..

[@thejaerd4881]

ironic that probably the first female prime minister of Italy will be from the "far right"

[@andreaslahmberg5641]

Thats how meritocracy works. It... WORKS. Quotas, dont, hence the weak women that were put at the top by a quote/for ideological reasons arent very sucessfull in the elections themselfs. As a tendency. Exceptions ofc still happen.

[@blede8649]

It's not. They benefit from billionaire-owned media giving them platform (because right-wing policies benefit the rich), and being right-wing, and thus anti-feminist, they don't tick off the conservative electorate. It's for this same reason all female prime ministers of the UK (Thatcher, May and, soon, Truss) have been Conservative.

[@miliba]

So all women have to be leftists, according to your logic?

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

@@blede8649 if they are antifeminist.. why would they even choose woman as their leader? what even is antifeminist these days?

[@blede8649]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 They normally wouldn't, but they can stomach one if she gives them the policies they want (including fighting against women's rights and bodily autonomy, i.e. anti-feminism). A left-wing, feminist female political leader would be slandered into oblivion, like they do, on occasion, to Angela Raynor. If she was Labour leader she would receive the Corbyn treatment times a 100. An Italian example would be Rosy Bindi, former Minister for Family and, later, leader of the House anti-Mafia Committee. She was attacked for not being married or having children (and therefore, supposedly unqualified for the post) and for not being beautiful (and I'm being very diplomatic with my choice of words here).

[@JJMcCullough]

How common is it in Italy for the head of the largest party to not actually wind up as prime minister? I’m wondering about the possibility that she could be considered too controversial to be PM herself, and her party will merely endorse some other guy to head their coalition.

[@funghi2606]

Hi John I think the principle based on an internal agreement within the coalition establishing that the next PM should the coalition prevail will be the leader of the largest party

[@funghi2606]

But yes, is common for parties leaders not to become PM

[@diegoyuiop]

Has happened multiple times. It depends on the winning coalition, they tell the President who they want to be appointed as PM

[@conor_davis]

Immediately after the election, only five times out of the last fifteen elections has the leader of the party with the most seats become prime minister.

[@thomasc.3832]

It's common but I don't personally think that she is too controversial as a person, her party is seen as very controversial but she has a more moderate image

[@unoriginal_username1]

“Far right” means the accepted politics of 50 years ago.

[@bestestAIsongs]

Wtf does that even mean

[@unoriginal_username1]

@@bestestAIsongs well what it means is what the media and politicians label “far right” is just someone who’s political view are that of the mainstream less then 50 years ago. The Overton window swings a lot faster to the left for media and politicians then it does the average working person. It’s why “elites” get uncomfortable when they ask working class people about politics issues.

[@bestestAIsongs]

@@unoriginal_username1 That's bullshit. 50 years ago in Italy you had the Revolutionary Communist Party, today you don't have any truly communist "elites" in media nor in parliament. Also, there's nothing "leftist" in LGBT acceptance, and if you ask the average European/American under 35 they are fine with LGBT minorities, so you're wrong in all and averything. Welcome to reality.

[@unoriginal_username1]

@@bestestAIsongs you pick two things and assume that what people labeled “far right” care about. Culture , immigration, assimilation and traditions are what is associated with them. One thing I’d add is why start at a arbitrary 35 why not 50 , 60 , 20 if someone can vote then there opinion matters. Some issues mainly lower immigration and culture Secretary are just as popular now as they were 50 years ago. When polled people in my country want immigration lowered DRAMATICALLY in figures up to 70% and when they are ignored then people tern to more extreme politics. The rise of the “far right” is only happening because the centre doesn’t address the issues the average working class person care’s about. I’d also point out that the likely next pM of Italy wants to abolish gay marriage. So while I and most people my age don’t care about that , be sure some people in some countries very much do care and are strongly against these things.

[@FlagAnthem]

Meloni started with the (post)fascist MSI, which had Salò traitors Almirante and war criminal Graziani as leaders

[@theuglykwan]

Do a video about the Italian electoral systems which has changed regularly and see if fragmentation is affected by electoral system. I'm sure that is only one factor. When they used the AMS system with 75% first past the post seats they seemed to be more stable in Italian terms and coalesced around 2 poles. The more proportional their system the worse it got.

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

Yeah. I think that's an Italy Problem. Countries like Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway have tons of coalition building but still are very stable. There's a fundamental problem with Italian politics. If anything on average FPTP usually breeds political instability *cough America *cough. But no voting system can fix bad governance on its own.

[@dog-ez2nu]

Keep in mind that these guys are SO corrupt and inept and don't give a crap anyway - you probably wouldn't do much good by just filtering all the worst Italian politics has to offer into two poles.

[@mastomax]

Democratic party written the system about coalition or moviment 5 stars could win without problem because 4 years ago was the first party with a large of differences than othersss. Now what have done is against democratica party justice sometimes will come

[@Paleros1252]

Yes bit letto partire sant only proportional sistem.

[@theophrastusbombastus8019]

FPTP is the only democratic system worse than what we have now imo. You can easily make more stable proportional systems if you either 1) eliminate the Senate (second chamber/house, members elected differently than the lower house, government needs majority in both chamber/houses) or 2) Make a presidential or semi presidential system BUT not with FPTP voting, there are many better alternatives like in France or with Australia's numbered preference system

[@jorehir]

Her party rose because Salvini's party fed up its electors and fell. Simple as that. Right wing electors are simply jumping from one boat to the other, as there are no substantial differences in political programs. Nothing new under the sky. I consider Meloni more reliable and self-consistent than Salvini (not that it takes much...). That's good. On the other hand, her party's founding members might struggle moderating their ultra-conservative beliefs. In the background of the Right Wing panorama, there's always Berlusconi. As usual, full of promises that he never keeps, but also acting as a moderator for the two more errant right wing parties.

[@italyball2166]

With a right superiority in parliament I doubt she will keep her most controversial views at bay. It's not even like she hides her resentments against lgbt and migrants. That's what worries me the most

[@italyball2166]

@@Zankyo137 what?

[@Zankyo137]

@@italyball2166 my bad, posted under the wrong comment thread

[@kristofferp5030]

It is populism in a nutshell. Rile people up against a perceived threat, overpromise, underdeliver, collapse > jump onto a new bandwagon. Populists always lack nuance and have a very juvenile, black and white view of politics and the world and it never works out when the rubber meets the road because by the end of the day, the truth is that it's complicated. There is no easy solution despite what populists would have you believe.

[@gianfrancobenetti-longhini8192]

And what does the left do? They like anyone that does not vote the right. Personally I would vote the Centre party if it existed.

[@masterbaiter9856]

"Hey I've seen this one before, it's a classic."

[@yourealittlebitfat4344]

far lefties killed wya more people. yet you clowns never talk about that one. Classic.

[@dasjagdschloss8357]

>"Fair Right" I'm taking that

[@evocati6523]

Mussolini was a leftist, you just believe the nonsense the fascism is restricted to the right. Try actually looking up the definition... but that would be too much work. Much easier to just blindly hate people than trying to learn truth and become wiser

[@masterbaiter9856]

@@dasjagdschloss8357 Damn it, Italy's giving fake German's ideas.

[@Daniboi971]

Let’s hope so

[@imperators_8700]

Can we please stop referring to the Eurospectic Nationalist political parties as Far right For most of these these parties, whether it be UKIP, The National Rally in France, or well the Brothers of Italy, there is nothing in their politics that is far right, the latter two may descent from fascist parties in genealogy, but they have both moderated to a point where calling them far right is disingenuous, especially since a couple of these parties like the rally or the Sweden democrats have left wing economic platforms

[@9delta988]

Argee, they are (nativist) populist parties. Left and right are somewhat outdated concepts (except maybe in 2 party dominated systems like the US and UK).

[@haidouk872]

" Far right " is only a relative designation. All those parties may be much more moderated than they were 50 years ago or so, but they're still on the far right of their country's political scale. Because the political viewpoint of most European countries as a whole has shifted more left and more moderate over the years, and because the definition of what we consider "far right" has also evolved over the years. I can't say for other countries' far right parties, but as a french, I don't feel it as disingenuous to call the National Rally far right. France as a whole has a rather left-leaning political culture, which means that even the most right winged parties here have some left wing economical policies. However, compared to the rest of french parties, the National Rally's social policies are much more conservative and right winged, and they often go into populism. Thus, they are at the far-right of France. Even though that would be considered more left-winged than USA's right. It's all a matter of perspective. Far right parties' obsession in not being called "far right" nowadays is just playing with semantics, as a populist move. If your party is gonna carry policies that are far right to modern standards, then just assume it, instead of trying to sugarcoat it. In that aspect, I respect french communist party for refusing to change its name, despite the image it carries, and instead trying to change the view people have of "communist party" today.

[@inserisciunnome]

Nha fam, Brothers of Italy Is a fascist far right party. Pretty much any italian can tell you that much about them.

[@fungo6631]

Oh come on, UKIP has been exposed multiple times for being properly far right. They literally have Count Dankula and other far righters joining in!

[@Rey99m]

@François Jean Jacques seems like a natural progression Also I have no idea about the other parties but fdi might not be far right on paper but the members of the party and (some) people who vote for them certainly are (and I mean they did a dinner party to celebrate the march on rome ahahahHhHa)

[@zachryder3150]

Hey, hey I've seen this one, I've seen this one. This is a classic!

[@DavidELD]

Gen Z'ers: "What are you talking about? This is brand new!"

[@lt2660]

@@DavidELD dog do u think gen zers don't know what world war 2 is? 😭

[@whitezombie10]

@@lt2660 most of them don't

[@whitezombie10]

@@DavidELD lol

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah but she would be 100 times less competent than Him

[@Skydive20991]

From a 30yo italian, a poor millennial who are living from 1 crisis to another...please, someone help us 😔😭 We are literally taken hostage by the boomers and +55yo people: they are the double of all the young generation over18 who can vote. We didn't receive any plans before, neither now and the same will be in the future. We are simply too little as number to capture the interest of the politicians: they just will continue to grant everything to the old now increasing the debt on our and newer generations 😔😔😔

[@PonzooonTheGreat]

You should have kids if you want to avert an aging population.

[@filipporosatti6243]

@@PonzooonTheGreat or we could straight up kill anyone over 60 years old

[@Skydive20991]

@@PonzooonTheGreat people under 30yo generally have 16'000-18'000 € as annually GDP for income. Do the math. You're welcome 😅

[@wabalaladabdab]

@@PonzooonTheGreat I'm 36, I'm hoping to have my first child in the last ten years, I still couldn't afford to even have one child.

[@LucaPasini2]

That is the real problem. Young people in general are gradually becoming a minority group just like the Chinese or the LGBT. Conservative parties win simply because they address the concerns of the majority of the population.

[@r3771-n2r]

Can you guys do a piece on what the definition of what "far right" means? Is there a far left? What qualifies as "far left"?

[@henrybn14ar]

They wouldn't do that.

[@MichaelTavares]

Far left is either Soviet style communism or “seize the means of production” ending private property. There aren’t really many of those around.

[@JerzyFeliksKlein]

There are some far left parties in Italy but on the fringes. I think they have two Communist parties at least. I remember their posters from when I lived there.

[@whitezombie10]

@@JerzyFeliksKlein I don't think those posters belong to really existing parties

[@kenheblaze]

Maybe right now, with the lead of Giuseppe Conte, the "Movimento 5 Stelle" is the "populist far left" most common party in italy. There also be "Azione" lead by Calenda, who is a "center" party but because of extreme diktat, projects and ideals is located far left with Matteo Renzi and its "Italia Viva" party.

[@patriotamerican3069]

Why do the TLDR always prefer leveling their political opponents as far right, but never levels democrats or socialist as far left? Every single leader suppose to put it nation’s interest over globalist interest, and that what Italian conservatives are doing.

[@johnline]

100% this shill is informing brainlets only

[@Ptcruz]

From all the parties in the world you chose to label the Democratic Party as far left? The Democratic Party is barely left. They are not left and specially not far left. The UK Labor and the Liberal Party of Canada are better suited for your argument.

[@savroi]

I've been living in Italy for 20 years. Sorry, I love this country and I wish I could say something more encouraging. Like in any country most people are good people even if from a political point of view their stands are next to stupid. By the way this is not the rise but yet another come back of the righteous and self-proclaimed supreme hard headed kind of right wing. Of course they are all passers by, most of this political parties do not survive a decade without shifting political views, name and characters following the old saying "Tutto cambia perché nulla cambi" - "Gattopardo" di Tomasi di Lampedusa; which can be loosely translated to "The old hiding under a new cloak". To start with most people do not believe in government; it is not "our government" is "the government", as if it was an alien thing imposed by some force which of course is not them themselves. Each person believes they can handle things on their own, thus no need for a government that might actually take into account the general well being. For most people it is about them and only them, even if they disguise it. Serious politicians of all roads are systematically drawn away and what is left is this group of Comic Relief style politicians which are thought to be fairly innocuous and manageable. The level of arrogance and ignorance most people display is flabbergasting. Those who don't are, those who have a working brain in their heads are either apathetic or the target of the most stupid invectives. What will happen to Italy is all but a mystery; either they slap back to reality or they'll drown in the sea of petty self-centred and minuscule interests each one believes is "the solution" again, for themselves.

[@andmos1001]

Well the good news is that they are not bonito Mussolini

[@savroi]

@@andmos1001 True, even if some of their ways aren’t that far. I think Italians have learned that lesson the hard way. Fascists pockets can be found but I doubt very much they will ever get momentum enough to become anything. One may wonder if “voting for the one that opposes” rather than “one that sustains” doesn’t stems from that period.

[@EndoClaw]

Sounds like a certain country fro across the pacific, maybe one with strips in the flag, and maybe even stars.

[@celeridad6972]

That's the beauty of democracy, let's embrace it

[@savroi]

@@EndoClaw maybe you mean across the Atlantic. I believe there are some similarities, there’s though one capital difference: their love for their country is still strong, shaky at times, but still there.

[@intersezioni]

Italy will take the largest share of the European contribution, but I want to remind you that more than 90% of this money is on loan and not non-repayable, Italy will have to give it back, moreover it is the third net contributor of the European Union since its founding, has given more money than it has received in exchange from the European Union in the last 50 years, unlike other nations that have a smaller public debt but for decades have sucked European public funds without ever give nothing in return, I refer to the countries of Eastern and Northern Europe, including Great Britain when it still belonged to the European Union

[@eris2704]

but... The UK was a net contributor too. And so are countries like Denmark, Sweden, Finland, The Netherlands... The only countries who recieve more money than they give are the Eastern European countries. And yet, being a net contributor is not necessarely a bad thing, since the benefits of EU membership go far beyond the simple "recieving money from the EU".

[@Joey-ct8bm]

@@eris2704 Except for Hungary now. Where the EU cut all funding. That would happen to Italy too, but Italy has much more debt than Hungary and wouldn't survive. They would end up like Greece. Especially when you lower taxes. They could cut universal healthcare or pension, but the people in Italy aren't gonna like that at all and the debt will still be high. You would have lower taxes but still paying for it in other ways.

[@eris2704]

@@Joey-ct8bm Italy is im such a state that simple tax reforms and welfare cuts would never be enough. The whole country needs to be restructured starting from the basis. There really is not much good left in the whole Italian system

[@whitezombie10]

Italy is already crippled by debt, no we won't pay it 😁 come take it, if you want to cause another war

[@eris2704]

@@whitezombie10 do you even know what you're saying? Not paying a debt is the definition of defaulting. And defaulting is the worst single thing that could happen to any country. Even if we're in no good position, as of now we're well far from a default

[@maximus3178]

I hope as an Italian that the other countries governments do not start to isolate us and mock us if they win. If their intention is to keep them in power as long as possible, then it is the right path. Italians for historical reasons hate foreign paternalism and this will only increase the support of this government if they win

[@ermin2248]

If Meloni becomes the next Italian leader Italy will be a huge friend of Poland and Hungary. Brothers of Italy are close allies of Polish Law and Justice so you will join the bad boys gang of EU. Hi from Poland.

[@savroi]

At this point chances are it will win. Which in my opinion is discouraging for their politic lines seem to clash with those of the EU which will, inevitably bring some isolation and mocking. Note how Brexit worked in that sense. However I agree with you, there's a learning curve to be tackled that has been delayed for the last 30 years and the last thing it needs is foreign intervention. At any rate EU's politics though firm, aren't interventionist. Those credits this video are talking about have the same rules for every country in Europe. Those credits are not a dessert that "father EU" decides whether to give or not. Those credits depend upon a credible plan of recover and growth something this party may or may not have for they are not showing it. Sadly at this point the debate seems to be centred around who is with who and miscellaneous clichés about Italian identity, the dangers of immigration and an utterly useless discussion about flat-tax. Unfortunately we are at a critical point in our World's history. This is not the time to go around throwing tantrums which is what is been happening and the main reason why Mario Draghi resigned. Italians need to be aware of this and take responsibility which is something I don't see any sign of happening.

[@whitezombie10]

Diventeremo come la Polonia e l'Ungheria, perché la maggior parte della popolazione è stupida...

[@maximus3178]

@@whitezombie10 è probabile purtroppo. Comincio già a vedere i miliardi inziare a sparire. Anche se da un lato è un bene visto che li sperpererebbero in misure clientelari senza logica sullo stile del mercato delle vacche

[@commenter4190]

@@savroi draghi was sent there to commission the italian government and to protect the interests of the global finance especially american. Despite having the almost totality of the media idolizing him in a pathetic way never seen after mussolini, he proved not competent against inflation and the was increasing the military spending and the support of the nato war which the italians are in great part against. He also proved he cared nothing about the poorer classes, he was there just to defend the rich as he proved several times (reform of justice, minimum salary, tax of sucession). He resigned because he pretended almost total power in mussolini style and to have the parliament obedient and silenced. As Italy is still a democracy and not a colony of the us or the eu the italians can return to elections and not to wait for techno "expert" appointed by some foreign government

[@rafspitfire]

Hate that it’s always “far right” for right centrist parties but never “far left” it’s extremely biased and pathetic

[@mtghd1432]

Name a far left party. No one is saying any centre right wing party is far right. Anti immigration and anti welfare policies are far right by any measure, don’t try and hide it

[@blueciffer1653]

@JMX TV ARCHIVE Yes. If you like the nazis

[@blueciffer1653]

@JMX TV ARCHIVE If the shoe fits

[@alexnitaly764]

Salvini and movimento 5 Stelle have become a joke of Italy. I wouldnt put hopes too high on Fratelli D'italia, because a lot of people sees Meloni as an hypocrite similiar to Salvini

[@elsauce4873]

But not enough of a hypocrite to get her 20 procent of the vote

[@davidecolucci6260]

Name a single politician who is not an hypocrite

[@stewij1]

@@davidecolucci6260 Bersani

[@aleksanderrubik.]

@@davidecolucci6260 Bernie Sanders

[@josemanuelsantosojeda6409]

@@aleksanderrubik. 🤡🤡🤡

[@Jerry694111]

For another year, then it'll change again.

[@UFOhunter4711]

10:12, you buggers scared the shit out of me with that, I was doing something near the speaker and got blasted in the ear

[@harry5326]

I'd vote for Caesar

[@larsrons7937]

_"How the Far Right Took Over Italy in... '22"_ Would that be 1922 or 2022? Will history mimic itself?

[@gne9211]

Wait some years until we swap side

[@johnpala7782]

Why exactly are the Brothers of Italy portrayed as being 'far right'?

[@davideagostinelli93]

naval blockade instead of simple immigrants administration, mandatory job hiring for young people and un-active ones, flat taxation system (reduced) instead of the progressive one, "italian families first" motto, against-EU monetary policies but with the decentralized ones, direct election of Prime Minister instead of delegation.

[@johnpala7782]

Okay, but if your argument stands ground, why is Jeremy Corbyn, Pierre James Trudeau, or Joe Biden never referred to as ‘far Left’? Because by your reasoning they are.

[@davideagostinelli93]

@@johnpala7782 italian far right or extreme right are the ones that are 100% not inclusive and that doesnt want immigrants for sure. This is why the naval blockade or similar policies and they sit on the far right in the parliament. It's not comparable to the US parties that are organized in a different way i think. Far Left are the ones inclusive, that supports more the middle class instead of the rich ones, and that doesnt want to impose the mandatory jobs for younger or the military service (also mandatory).

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Because they are?

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

@@johnpala7782 they are literally not far left. I consider communists far left but not fucking biden.

[@davidcohenboffa1666]

Is that still surprising people? It's happening everywhere for a very simple reason: If you push too hard one side, people will start pushing hard to the other side. So the solution for extremism is.... SURPRISE, moderation on both sides.

[@astralseaslug546]

Yeah right, because the far left is VERY WELL REPRESENTED in western politics, isn't it? Lmao you're wrong

[@davidcohenboffa1666]

@@astralseaslug546 I didn't mean the absolute far left. I meant that the previous moderate Left and Right are both getting to the extremes. And yes, demonization of Western Culture and values and Communism is very common in Western Politics.

[@astralseaslug546]

@@davidcohenboffa1666 you're wrong, the centre-left parties are drifting more to the right. No major party in any of the major countries of the west is truly fighting for workers' rights, for instance. When the right wing tells you the (centre)left is going too far, what they mean is that they want to keep being racist and homophobic and the (centre)left does not support that

[@davidcohenboffa1666]

@@astralseaslug546 Left doesn't mean only fighting for worker's rights. Your point of view is one sided Bc independent if it is good or bad, if the Left goes farther Left than what was before (for instance the Trans issue in the last decade) it is going to the extreme of the Left side of the political spectrum. And that objectively causes the right to go farther to the right (in the example O gave, instead of saying that "each one should do what they want, as long as you respect my opinion" start demonizing and hating on Trans people). I will say it again, extremism is not good or bad(ethically), it is trully based on relative and subjective relations between the political spectrum through time.

[@astralseaslug546]

@@davidcohenboffa1666 if you think "right people should have rights" is a far left issue, maybe you are far right

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Her title as leader should’ve been Sister of Italy.

[@gaia7240]

Why? Doesnt make sense

[@bestestAIsongs]

@@gaia7240 Do you even know what sister means?

[@bestestAIsongs]

It probably sounded too much like James Charles

[@gaia7240]

@@bestestAIsongs no never heard🙄 it just doesn't make sense

[@ziocammello9929]

Si vede che tifi la rubentus

[@minidingbat265]

how come every party that has any right leaning policies are like always described as far right ?

[@nicolacarbone3297]

I have the feeling moderate right parties hardly exist anymore, at least in Italy, with the former becoming more and more far leaning and the one winning in other countries too being far as well. Also it's more interesting of a title

[@minidingbat265]

@@nicolacarbone3297 tbh I agree, I think it's just click bait but yeah

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

Because the left controls the media and the media wants to turn people off from voting for right wing thus they use the term far right to do so

[@nicolacarbone3297]

@@thomasgrabkowski8283 which media are you referring to? because i find them evenly distributed

[@astralseaslug546]

Dude, Meloni is very hostile to LGBT+ people, immigrants, and poor people. Furthermore she has refused to call out fascist violence multiple times. She WANTS to be the leader of the far right

[@Nanaucat]

Can I say, the alarm at 10:12 is really annoying while I'm trying to sleep watching your news? It seems it is something you added recently but it is really annoying being awake or sleep...

[@mschramm1987]

This is really annoying

[@whitezombie10]

You try to sleep watching this?

[@naturalobserver1322]

Can't speak to Italian politics directly however, I've noticed that when liberals label something "far right" it usually means average people fed up with leftist policies.

[@hopeintruth5119]

No not really. There just actually far right. If you live in America you may think you have a leftist party. You are sadly mistaken. It's just a far right vs right party. Where we are forced to call the more left one the left

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Or because they are far right. There's no reason to shy away from it. There are right parties everywhere, they get in power all the time in many places. These are far right parties, however, you have them also everywhere, Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, etc etc. Are they fed up with left-leaning parties' policies? Oh yeah they are. And so are their voters and rightfully so. Here in Portugal the rise of the far right is the government's fault since they shit on the people non-stop and the far right promises to end that all. Doesn't make them any less far right.

[@e.v3832]

indeed, those people are nuts

[@TylerSolvestri]

They are just populist like Salvini, nothing new. It's quite tiresome to see how much ad hominems are used in Politics to benefit an agenda. Their only "fascists" politic seems to be deporting "Refugee" ships that were send from the NOG's in the Lybian coasts which is supposed to be something that every country that respects its borders does

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Yeah dude! You said it! How dare the left promote human rights! We on the right kill everyone who isnt "italian citizen" whatever that means. Probably white italians

[@bellicapelli8155]

i've always voted right center/right, but hell, right's stance on covid and ukraine war was ridicolous, to say the least (the 5 stars movement remains the leading clown of the circus though). I'm going to vote an irrelevant centrist liberal party: probably won't even make it into parliament, but voting left it's just too much for me.

[@eucalypso]

Só gusti

[@MaxStirner123]

left? Where would the left be in Italy? If you answer me PD I'll beat you

[@eucalypso]

@@MaxStirner123 ahahahahhahahah xD prima di renzi la sinistra c’è me stava prima ancora del berlusca c’era Berlinguer poi le cose si sono evolute.

[@bellicapelli8155]

@@MaxStirner123 they're obviously not communists, but i really can't swallow any direct subside (RDC/reddito di inclusione and other forms of helicopter money typical of that political spectrum). Even the self-proclaimed "liberal right" went full clown to intercept the huge voting pool of the retired with Berlusconi promising a raise in pensions (not a new thing indeed). Don't get me wrong: i don't mean i support "the riches", i want a better welfare, based on services and not on direct subsides, and i want the government to be focused on primarily boosting the productive part of the population instead of spending an insane amount of money on pensions (it's the biggest expense by far)

[@yf.f4919]

@@MaxStirner123 Il "centro-destra" in Italia va dal PD fino a FdI, e gli elettori di quell'area riescono comunque a lamentarsi della "sinistra". Che ci dicano, a noi di sinistra, dov'è questa chimerica sinistra, almeno avrei meno dubbi su cosa votare.

[@Lusitano9514]

Great video once again guys! 👏

[@DannyHeywood]

Aren't the 'Brothers of Italy' a couple of Plumbers that jump a lot?

[@libatonvhs]

not funny & offensive

[@mastilozdravljedamjanovic]

@@libatonvhs How is it offensive?

[@donvitotv]

@@mastilozdravljedamjanovic say something similar about blacks and they call you racist

[@Jonas_M_M]

In most stable and wealthy democracies, quite rigid voting patterns based on socio-economic factors dominate politics, but this does not seem to be the case in Italy. A lot of the electorate is open to switching their party preference rapidly. [ ] *Edit: "[ ]", and shame on 'perfect bicameralism'!

[@italyball2166]

Consider the massive corruption as a major factor. Everyone we elected never made the interests of those who were looking up to them. Since all parties failed, now it's FDI's turn to show the nation how flawed their policies will be

[@Jonas_M_M]

@@italyball2166, then you would argue that "turbulent politics have led to irregular voting patterns". Seems the most reasonable to me. Question: Since when has it been this way?

[@italyball2166]

@@Jonas_M_M Kinda _ever_

[@Zankyo137]

@@Jonas_M_M Note that basically the parties (and Leaders) have been the same for a few decades now. Not exactly a good thing And the "allied" parties tend to fall apart "officially" the day After elections (unofficialy are on verge of killing eachother since the dawn of time)

[@alangivre2474]

Since Mani Pulite in 1992.

[@mygetawayart]

As much as i fear Meloni's plans (and i shall vote for my local leftist party, being no part of this fascist revival), i also know that Italian governments don't amount to much. I'll give it a year before internal crises will fracture the party, or it will face too much pressure and face a no confidence vote or whatever may change. Italian politics is not something you should take too seriously. A lot of people criticize how disillusioned and cynical us Italians are when it comes to Politics, but if you lived here long enough or simply followed Italian political history you'd become disillusioned and cynical too, trust me. There is no hope of Italian politics ever becoming something of a national pride, something to lead Europe with bold actions and decisive plans. Doomer? No, realist.

[@whitezombie10]

We could have with Draghi...

[@Andre-by4su]

You guys can always pride yourself for never letting a new dictator take over your country

[@emanuelezanon4262]

@@Andre-by4su It's more complicated than that. A lot of Italians think that Fascism was actually overall better than democracy. Somehow It Is more acceptable to be a Fascist than to believe in democracy.

[@whitezombie10]

@@Andre-by4su *YET*

[@mygetawayart]

@@emanuelezanon4262 not better for Democracy. There was no democracy. Some attribute to Mussolini certain revitalization projects and an overall stricter and more professional attitude towards work which impacted things like trains arriving on time.

[@HibikiKano]

I don't know why this surprises people. Italy has a regular strong support of various right and even openly fascist parties. Lega is right and supports Russia, 5 stars does not support Ukraine and turned populist, Frateri is super right of the large parties, then we have Berlusconi and Democratis. Oh and the new party wjen Di Maio split from 5 star because 5 star became too populist udner Conte. But seriously when was the ladt time you imagined that Berlusconi is not the worst candidate?

[@Zankyo137]

Never cause he Is still not

[@HibikiKano]

@@Zankyo137 That is what I'm saying. We are so used to hearing about all the shit he did in media. But fact is, he is not the worst. He is far from great or good. But I think he gets votes regularly because he is not the worst possible option... which is a low bar to cross.

[@italyball2166]

You see, it's not a question of "strong support for far-right parties". It's more a "everyone failed, you are the only left, so we vote you". I know it's a shitty way to vote people, but that's basically how it goes

[@PrivateSi]

If you think Far Right is halting mass invasion of foreigners and deporting illegal immigrants then you're a Far Left Nutjob... Far Right Governments would be rounding up Lefty traitors and legal, not just foreign mass-invaders and deporting or killing them,. The Centrist position is very low immigration and a left + right economic approach to improving the lives of NATIONAL CITIZENS. -- That's what nations are for but Lefties are all Far Left ANTINATIONAL Nasties now-a-days. Hitler was Far Left BTW, so demonstrates the Far Left can also shit on foreigners.. Soviet Union and China were/are also Far Left Nationalist Globalists (one nation uber-alles, the worst kind of Globalist).

[@suportbghelp4938]

@@italyball2166 Why shitty, its better to still support someone who prove to be bad and corrupted politician, who ruin the country?Or democracy is falling, then what, change the system?

[@chunkykong1976]

i don’t know if it’s just me but they don’t seem radical or far right they want to adjust the nrrp but you don’t know if it’s a little or a lot and more strict immigration policies is good for european country since we can’t handle so many immigrants

[@italyball2166]

If you think they aren't that far-right, look at their policies regarding islam and lgbt: one is shown to be "the bringer of all terrorisms", the other is "the corruption of the youth". They always talk about the "Christian values" that for them should impose what religion you follow, what family you should be into, who you can love and what you are allowed to do.

[@chunkykong1976]

@@italyball2166 yeah ok that sounds pretty extreme and radical i will look it up

[@chunkykong1976]

@@italyball2166 ok i checked it couldn’t read a lot about islam and as far of the lgbtq it is wrong of them to block the law but i have to say that the law isn’t verry specific about what counts as hate speech and that could be easily taken advantage of, but then they should change the bill to be more specific and not out right ban it. + their stance on abortion isn’t a great one either.

[@UNVIRUSLETALE]

They are literally fascist and have Mussolini descendants within their ranks, they are the most far right major party, not as far right as something like CasaPound but not that far either

[@darken2417]

@@italyball2166 That is far from extreme, that is clearly just meh. Nothing really out there. They have a religion and they follow the religion and believe its rules should have some more influence on how society is, yawn... Its like how a socialist party isn't far left but a communist one is far left. Here are a few stances that would make it legitimately far right: -"Abolish parliament!" -"Imprison degenerates!" -"Deport citizens if their parents were immigrants!" -"Close all mosques!" -"Force people to go to church!" Them just saying "Hey, marriage isn't for these sorts of unions.." or "It would be nice if society had our values.." or "Islam has a terrorism problem.." are just far too lukewarm to be called far right.

[@paolocatalano5895]

As an italian i admit our politics sucks, people rather vote AGAINST something and not FOR a party/government. Also, the parlamentar republic doesn't work and a government doesn't last more than 2 years, when we're lucky. That's the reason why we are worse than Germany, France and Uk at tecnology, HDI and economy.

[@attilakovacs2231]

But you are elegant..., chicks, foods are better. And you have a beautiful language and wine. So nevermind the rest of it! Greetings and blessings from Hungary! ⚜ Red-white-green powerrr! ✌

[@paolocatalano5895]

@@attilakovacs2231 thank you 🇮🇹❤️🇭🇺

[@intersezioni]

The economy of Italy is a highly developed market economy.[23] It is the third-largest national economy in the European Union, the second largest industrial power in Europe after Germany, the eighth-largest in the world by nominal GDP, and the 12th-largest by GDP (PPP). Italy is a founding member of the European Union, the Eurozone, the OECD, the G7 and the G20;[24] it is the tenth-largest exporter in the world, with $632 billion exported in 2019. Its closest trade ties are with the other countries of the European Union, with whom it conducts about 59% of its total trade. The largest trading partners, in order of market share in exports, are Germany (12.5%), France (10.3%), the United States (9%), Spain (5.2%), the United Kingdom (5.2%) and Switzerland (4.6%).[25] In the post-World War II period, Italy saw a transformation from an agricultural based economy which had been severely affected by the consequences of the World Wars, into one of the world's most advanced nations,[26] and a leading country in world trade and exports. According to the Human Development Index, the country enjoys a very high standard of living. According to The Economist, Italy has the world's 8th highest quality of life.[27] Italy owns the world's third-largest gold reserve,[28] and is the third-largest net contributor to the budget of the European Union. Furthermore, the advanced country private wealth is one of the largest in the world.[29] In terms of private wealth, Italy ranks second, after Hong Kong, in private wealth to GDP ratio. Italy is the world's sixth-largest manufacturing country,[30] characterised by a smaller number of global multinational corporations than other economies of comparable size and many dynamic small and medium-sized enterprises, notoriously clustered in several industrial districts, which are the backbone of the Italian industry. Italy is a large manufacturer[31] and exporter[32] of a significant variety of products. Its products include machinery, vehicles, pharmaceuticals, furniture, food and clothing.[33] Italy has therefore a significant trade surplus. The country is also well known for its influential and innovative business economic sector, an industrious and competitive agricultural sector (Italy is the world's largest wine producer),[34] and manufacturers of creatively designed, high-quality products: including automobiles, ships, home appliances, and designer clothing. Italy is the largest hub for luxury goods in Europe and the third luxury hub globally.[35][36] The Italian manufacturing sector is capable of facing the competition from China and other emerging Asian economies based on lower labour costs, with higher quality products.[37] Italy has a strong cooperative sector, with the largest share of the population (4.5%) employed by a cooperative in the EU.[38]

[@jeancompte5848]

Well said my friend but they don't care. They will always criticize other countries. Especially when their own is falling to pieces

[@inserisciunnome]

So, in short: The Legacy of the most serene Republic lives on within us!

[@FrancescoBedini]

@@inserisciunnome Venice greatness lives on within italy! 🦁🚩

[@lorenzocarlesso]

@@FrancescoBedini But, as a Venetian, I hope one day people will say: "Venice greatness lives on withOUT Italy 🦁🚩"

[@ernstschmidt4725]

3:02 FdL: we're not fascisti!! anyone: so what do you are? FdL: right-wing populists! anyone: ah, so fascists then.

[@josemanuelsantosojeda6409]

🤡🤡🤡

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah

[@someguy4405]

Nobody ever refers to the “far left”, even when talking about socialists.

[@Dimitrishuter]

Literally not true

[@someguy4405]

@@Dimitrishuter I’ve never seen “far left” in an article headline, but I’ve seen “far right” in more than I can count. I can only speak from personal experience, of course.

[@blueciffer1653]

@@someguy4405 because there aren't any real socialist parties in the west. Therefore you won't see any headlines about "far left" parties in headlines

[@someguy4405]

@@blueciffer1653 There aren’t any real fascist parties either, yet we still see the few actually nationalist politicians constantly compared with them and patronisingly labeled “populist” as though being liked by one’s nation equivocates one with Mussolini and isn’t a fundamental requirement of democracy.

[@ermin2248]

Ah shit here we go again (Btw it's 2022. One hundred years earlier in 1922 there was a march on Rome. It would be ironic if exacly century later far right would regain power in Italy)

[@beaverprod.]

Big win💪💪💪

[@user-jy3tr1rv8v]

@@beaverprod. What? You want a new Facist march on Rome or something?

[@othalabro8663]

@@beaverprod. I love it!

[@matic93t]

Fascists are gonna Fascist, doesn't matter how long ago, ideology stays

[@thejaerd4881]

as an Italian song said : " certi amori non finiscono, ma fanno dei giri immensi e poi ritornarono"

[@LectionesInterbellum]

Because the EU turned out to be a freaking antagonist for the Italians, while it filled the pockets of a few northern European countries. That’s why.

[@attilakovacs2231]

👍🙏

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Yeah the british thought that as well and look how they are doing. Just because you vote shitty idiots for government you cant blame others for your failures. Its YOUR fault. Fascism will make things even worse

[@Mic_Glow]

Protecting your borders is not "controversial", it's what any normal country does. As for lowering taxes... yes, popular tactic and voters love it, but couple years later you have to suffer the consequences.

[@randomtheorist251]

"Hey hey! I've seen this one it's a classic!"

[@federicoitalico7425]

If Meloni it is Far right, than Mia Khalifa it is virgin👍🏻

[@Solid_Garlic]

Hey, I have see this one. It’s a classic.

[@Lucas-yp7li]

Uh oh...

[@EJavierPaniaguaLaconich]

this is what happens when the options are a watered down right posing as left or a batshit crazy right. Who do you think is going to win? The one that can elicit the strongest emotions, of course.

[@ernstthalmann4306]

Sounds like America 🇺🇸 💀 😕

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

Well case people dont get that is for a party to rule to they have conformize unless they want a civil war or go total dictatorship

[@Datroflshopper]

Ngl it would be pretty cinematic to have the political descendants of Italian fascism in the saddle again for the 100th anniversary of the march on Rome in 2023 (assuming an Italian government can actually last more than a year - which is unlikely)

[@nouua6513]

As an Italian myself, having read their program of objectives so to speak, I have to say that viewing them as a Far right ultra Conservative party is a strong way of stigmatising them. If you actually read it talks a lot about helping disadvantaged people, improving the economy, eco friendly and self sufficient energy policies, ecc… don’t really seem like the fascist foreign media portrays them as. Then again it’s always difficult to say if they’ll keep their promises, and there are also some points that are quite lacking but still, not so radical.

[@egamestube]

No, you're just used to be around that fascist propaganda which never stopped in Italy after WW2. Even if the formation of a new Fascist party is constitutionally banned. I'm Italian, I know well the shit they say. Giorgia and Matteo's programs are literally: Italians first (True blood italian), "the true family", more italian birth to keep the DNA (racial war against minorities), anti immigration, closed borders, against islam, weaponizing catholicism, against lgbtq+ people, populism, controlled school programs to not include "gender theory", economic sovranism (support of small and underdeveloped ignorant bourgeoisie which is half of the italian labour force, and it's part of the reason our country is not productive, just like mussolini did, for social corporations in line with the party, anti big private industries and anti globalism, anti free market, anti liberalism and for more state control, this includes more police and obligatory military service ), lower taxes but with no coverage, i.e. less welfare, earlier pension age( which in a country of this demographic age and due to how we fund those pensions, is a death threat to the younger generations into having no real possibility of retiring ever, unless you work for a state controlled job. even though all political parties know this and that their electoral base is old and already retired or close to retirement, so they don't give a fuck ), more debt : Fascism, which has in-fact roots in the theory of a new Italian people reinessance, exactly what Mussolini was after. All it's missing in today's version of Italian fascism from Mussolini's one are "Olio di Ricino" and "Squadrismo" (part of Forza Nuova and CasaPound would like to have that too), the rest is there.

[@nouua6513]

@@egamestube I just want to remind you that the fascist party and it's propaganda were immediately outlawed in the 1946 constitution which is still in function today, and forza nuova is a fringe radical movement, so where do you see the propaganda exactly?

[@noamstopler7776]

Its seems like the media hates them because of their stance on illegal migration .

[@nouua6513]

@@noamstopler7776 Yeah, it's ridiculous that you can't enforce stricter rules on illegal immigration to safeguard your country without being labelled as racist

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Where can i read these programs and are they availabke in english

[@taccus3990]

As an italian, I truly fear the possibility of a government led by FDI. We at home call Giorgia Meloni "the mastiff" because of the way she shouts and makes angry faces, I can't stand her when she speaks. On some topics I may be slightly right leaning, but her political position is light years away

[@andreaslahmberg5641]

Do you think that the flood of black and muslim migrants and the low birth rates of italians(aka your people dying out) is a good thing and should be continued? And, is her shouting MORE important for your vote then the actual policies and the literal future of your people?

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

@@andreaslahmberg5641 the low birthrate is not correlated with the other. But perhaps increasing housing and living costs, a stagnating economy for 25 years, and half a country that is ruled by the Mafia and family bonds may not be an environment people want or can have children in. Also your question is a silly rhetorical trick to avoid a discussion about a solution and causes and puts the receipient into a no win scenario.

[@whitezombie10]

@@andreaslahmberg5641 how is low birth rate related to immigration?! Immigration actually resolves the problem by keeping the population on growth! Giorgia Meloni is just a stupid failed neo fascist that can only shout the worst polices ever. Don't talk about what you don't know!

[@taccus3990]

@@andreaslahmberg5641 "Oh No ThE bAd MuSlIm PeOpLe ArE cOmInG tO tAkE aWaY oUr LaNd AnD oUr WoMeN" Pathetic

[@ermin2248]

Why 1/4 of Italians started to support her? What is the reason behind her success?

[@tamilolidurai6043]

Thank you for this video. Very informative.

[@ShayNoMore1]

After Mussolini No Italian government has lasted a single 4 year term I wouldn't really worry about it

[@catmonarchist8920]

Problem is they want a presidential system if they win

[@RafaelW8]

This is terrible news for the EU, if brothers of Italy win.

[@mattiacattani7819]

I'm sorry for you but this is called democracy, if the people want Brothers of Italy to govern they are free to do so. People like you prefer Brussels-imposed technocracies rather than governments chosen by the peoples.

[@travisshooks7374]

I love this channel. Anyone right of Stalin is far right. This party is not far right. They don’t have right wing extremist policies in any way.

[@sds7995]

Abolishing anti fascist laws and the crime of torture by the police is definitely not fascist-like

[@samsoncooper1]

You need to understand this is a channel based in the UK and has a UK bias. Comparing this to British politics puts them on the far right. Britain being very centrist. If you come from America where you only have a choice between right wing and further right wing the difference doesn't seem as big, but it is to the rest of the world. You don't need to be far right to be torturing citizens.

[@whitezombie10]

Fascism is far right, and Meloni is a fascist

[@BasicLib]

@@samsoncooper1 you really have strange views on where American Politics are.

[@98TrueRocker98]

"Any party which oppossess immigration is far right"

[@picardas1638]

this channel in a nutshell

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

This isn't just opposing immigration. FdI was descended from MSI,which was the first postfascist party composed of many former Mussolini associates especially from the salo republic era

[@98TrueRocker98]

@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 It is not about this party, but any party in general that oppossess immigration is labeled far right by the liberal owners of the channel

[@hansrobzen6007]

I really wonder, if I think about the conditions in bigger italian cities with certain peoples or other troubles with bigger groups of those all over Italy, why the italian people might resort to so called far right parties.

[@italyball2166]

Because they manage to push a lot of populist views

[@italyball2166]

And the moderate right is basically non-existent

[@timogul]

Yup, it's the racism. That's why most countries drift toward far right countries. Rather than confront their own responsibility for the problems they face, they prefer to blame it on "certain peoples" instead.

[@magnasquids7864]

@@timogul Why should countries have to deal with that problem when they could just avoid that problem in the first place?

[@TSEEMOD_618]

Because the governmental parties, starting from "not so much Leftist", PD, aren't doing their jobs properly

[@abrvalg321]

5:46 you guys, are so far-left that you see reasonable policies as far-right.

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Smoothbrain take 💀

[@abrvalg321]

@@Gigachad-mc5qz yes, why discuss anything? Just throw more labels, like in the video you can't offer anything constructive.

[@radoslavradoslavov1964]

Bulgaria is in a similar position you should consider covering that

[@frgwyn3760]

A lot of people forget that fascism is not when dead Jews, it’s just ultra nationalism

[@circuitbreaker8314]

Italy is already little fascist day by day. You cant ignore your roots

[@HarJBeRw]

Tldr crew, you guys should really change that segway you use for the brilliant ads ^^' it made sense the first time you used it, but characterising every single story you cover as being caused by "decisions by countries and leaders being at random and without purpose" really doesn't fit most of the time

[@Alex11V]

Keep Italy for Italians.

[@novastonegaming]

party name: brothers of Italy leader: A women

[@yordanstefanov5570]

Italy and Bulgaria politics are very similar. Vote for the brand new "anti corruption/anti establishment party. Then ditched them when failed at their promises. And a new party is born at the next elections. All of them having some patriotic names like "bulgarian renesance " "Bulgarian attack" "Mafia out" "There is some kind of nation" the weidest one.

[@Hatsuzu]

"far right" ok but you guys are far left.

[@blueciffer1653]

Pretty sure these guys aren't communists and anarchists

[@Hatsuzu]

@@blueciffer1653 the way they report things says otherwise

[@blueciffer1653]

@@Hatsuzu they report things from a centrist/liberal point of view. If you think they're actually far left then you really need to go take a basic political ideology class.

[@Hatsuzu]

@@blueciffer1653 centrist my ass.

[@blueciffer1653]

@@Hatsuzu Do me a favor and take a 2nd grade social studies class

[@panem9688]

Good video, but I would put a stronger correlation between the fall of Lega and the rise of FDI, as the voters are basically the same. Also,in the most recent polls the left centrist PD is ahead of FDI 🤷‍♂️

[@giuseppeanoardi3973]

Sadly, the centre-left is occupied in a dick lenght contest right now, bickering and presenting itself (as fuking always) fragmented in the eyes of the voter.

[@italyball2166]

Not really, the new polls give FDI ahead, even if by a small margin. And even if PD won, there would be a leftist Prime Minister in direct clash against a mostly right-wing Parliament

[@whitezombie10]

The PD has more than FDI? I always doubted their competence if they save us from fascism it will become my favourite party

[@litenantjv]

This a thing a Lot of people seems to forget. Those Who voted berlusconi then voted salvini and now will vote meloni they are the same people i don’t think that means there’s a rise of the right. I don’t know however what will happen with the 5 stars voters and still about 40% of the people are undecided

[@egamestube]

Yes, but PD and its current coalition have no chance of winning this election as per current polls, with the electoral law that themselves have written (tipically done at the end of the legislature mandate) to "stop the right" and M5s for the 2018 elections; The electoral law favours large coalitions (so both right and left ones), but is very complex to understand for voters, poorly thought out and managed to achive the very opposite on that case (staggering M5s populist single party result and M5s-League coalition). The center left coalition and "third pole" parties (Renew Europe - Azione /Italia Viva coalition (previously Azione / + Europa federation. Federation that split after trying a messy coalition with the PD for few days with a electoral pact and key political points, which the latter were immediately and predictably disowned by the PD getting into the coalition smaller questionable parties with anti NATO, anti scientific and populist ideology. Azione's leader Calenda announced his immediate desire to walk out from the coalition but +Europa stayed given the clear beneficial electoral colleges advantage gained as a smaller party in the coalition with PD ) ) are in great disadvantage even if they were in a single coalition, if M5s joined them in a BIG coalition, pools predict the left would still conceed more votes to the right by a fair shot and RE coaliton would realistically still opt out for having totally different political programs as they already did. The Italian coalitions are always an heterogeneous time ticking bomb ready to explode. On the right coalition there is slightly less friction, but if they won as polls project them to easily do there are internal parties interests ready to come back and destroy the govt ability to work whitin few years or just months. Rinse and repeat

[@funkyfennec3680]

"looking at the political situation of (introduce chosen country) and Europe more generally, you might start to believe that decisions made by countries and leaders are at random and without any purpose" (9:40) is a very weird sentence TLDR repeats to introduce its sponsorship at the end of several "episodes", it's an interesting, repeated, declaration of intentions from TLDR.

[@11th_defender51]

it's an ad read dude. He's saying what Brilliant wants him to say.

[@funkyfennec3680]

@@11th_defender51 Do you have any TLDR insight to support that this very weird and unique motto is imposed by contract by Brilliant to TLDR ? I'm pretty sure it's not.

[@11th_defender51]

@@funkyfennec3680 maybe tldr made the sentence themselves. I don't understand how this matters in the slightest. It's not interesting that they do the same ad read in multiple episodes.

[@funkyfennec3680]

@@11th_defender51 I personally find it very interesting that they repeat that sentence as a conclusion so often. I find it interesting too that they play on confusion with their sponsor as you just proven here. It's only my opinion of course, have a good day.

[@11th_defender51]

@@funkyfennec3680 cool I guess

[@Juho221]

If I remember correctly, Mussolini's great grand son is a member of this party

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

Based.

[@whitezombie10]

No...

[@Juho221]

@@whitezombie10 He's a MEP. I'm pretty sure it was this party, but I could be wrong

[@whitezombie10]

@@Juho221 I thought he played in sports competitions?

[@Juho221]

@@whitezombie10 Never heard of that. I remember reading a news article a while ago about him.

[@nicolomone4796]

The real problem here is the new electoral law, the Rosatellum (we don't have an electoral law in our constitution, we change it sporadically almost every 10 years). With this law, 2/3 of the parliement are elected with a proportional system, that means right-wing will have 2*45%/3 seats, but 1/3 of the parliement is elected with a majority system and they will take almost every sit of that share of parliement. This means the right-wing is expected to take 55-62% of the parliement, making their goverment a very stable one. The next 5 years will be really problematic for our country (Including the fact that with 66% of the consensus you can change the constitution without a popular vote).

[@sadown4490]

problematic for those who dont like them.

[@joshuaghozeil8061]

Can we *NOT* have a throwback to the 1930s?

[@whitezombie10]

*NO, MARCH ON ROME INTENSIFIES*

[@evocati6523]

You had it the last 2 years by leftist governments all over the world who decided the Nuremberg code no longer applied and you no longer had human rights to make any decisions for yourself

[@idraote]

fascism got into power in the twenties.

[@whitezombie10]

@@idraote true

[@joshuaghozeil8061]

@@idraote that... check out yeah can we *not* repeat that too

[@pachho808]

FdI choosing to stay in opposition was an absolutely genius 4d chess move. They wouldnt be here without it.

[@mariovallanzasca9454]

I'm Italian, and I don't agree with most of this party's policy but honestly I think I will vote for them in the next election. The thing is that the main left party is un-votable, their leader is stupid and completely detached from reality. The three main points of the left current campaign revolves around: 1 giving migrant children who go to school Italian citizenship 2 putting a tax on heredity 3 As usual, telling everyone that fascism is back and that Italy will soon turn into a totalitarian dictatorship if people don't vote for the left. Other parties are not much better. Therefore I will vote for brothers of Italy, at least their leader is somewhat smart. In addition to that, the left has ruled Italy for more then a decade and nothing has changed, they haven't introduced any leftist polices I might have been in favour, like legalization of light drugs, legalization of prostitution, increasing big tech corporate taxes, labor reforms, anti clericalism, and the economy has remained stagnant. So as a left coalition, they are completely useless. I hope the right wins, so at least we can see something different, it might not be better then the left, but at least we have to try

[@stefanosantoro1135]

How can you vote someone you mainly don’t agree with

[@mariovallanzasca9454]

@@stefanosantoro1135 I don't agree with other parties either. So basically no party is representing me anyways. I'd rather give my vote to her because FDI has always been in the opposition and it is fair to give them a try. They'll probably be as incompetent as the other parties when it comes to governing, but you never know. Also, they are gonna win anyways, so it's better if they have a good majority so that at least the government can have more stability and they can actually get things done without having excuses. The last thing I want to see is something like the current legislature, where they made every possible majority combination just to stay in power even tho everyone hated each other and it was a constant internal struggle

[@samlebron2118]

About time

[@thomasfrn4831]

0:40 your choice of photo makes your ideology shine through

[@invest_in_dogecoin6398]

“Far” right is needed in European countries

[@ericp0012]

Based!

[@eughenes95]

Nice video, but i feel like you should have least mentioned Meloni's position on LGBT issues A lot of Meloni's rhetoric has been focused on fear-mongering about "the gender ideology" and "protecting traditional values". While it might all be a big show to get bigots to vote for her, it feels politically relevant given their desperate opposition to all legislation to protect LGBT people

[@andreyu5640]

He didn't mention it because we all know how these racists work

[@nikolasvorrias857]

Its Rewind time

[@tiziocaio8657]

Me as an Italian: bruh what are you talking about ? 😂😂😂

[@ziocammello9929]

Forza Napoli 🔵⚪

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, when have I seen this before in Italy? I can't remember. /j

[@Kytetiger]

Crisis make population weaker (less money,, less jobs, instability), and try to find an external scape goat. Popular parties jump on that wagon and gain lots of votes. EU should change their speach and how they are percieved, because their bureaucraty is an easy target to popular parties.

[@SkyrimCZtutorials]

Since nobody in EU who proposes laws is actually being elected ....

[@saberline152]

@@SkyrimCZtutorials except, they are? I voted for a politician for EU Parliament and he is now a member of that?

[@saberline152]

@@SkyrimCZtutorials except, they are? I voted for a politician for EU Parliament and he is now a member of that?

[@sfp2290]

Actually, I think it is the media as a whole, who needs to inform the public on what the EU is doing. Information such as: What proposals are being made? Who votes for and against what? What proposals become law? Etc. Without proper information, assumptions is everything the individual can go with, when forming an opinion on something. I bet, that currently, at the very least, half of the EU population doesn't know how the process of a proposal becoming a law is. Heck, I doubt half could say how many different types of presidents there are in the EU (no, not the countries, but the EU as an institution). You know, basic information. That's just my opinion on the matter.

[@djri2984]

@@saberline152 actually EU Parliament vote on laws proposed by EU council where are people who are selected by EU parliament, so technically EU Parliament doesnt propose laws...

[@BakerVS]

Leaders' decisions aren't at random, that's why you make your (very good) programme explaining these decisions. Please stop that stupid way of going to your advertisement, it's got to the point that I just immediately hit pause once I hear the word 'random'.

[@12D_D21]

If they SEEM random. They aren’t saying the decisions are made randomly, they’re saying the decisions might appear to be random, with probably a logical reason that’s hard to understand for those not experienced with the study of politics, which to be fair, is mostly what they aim to explain.

[@BakerVS]

@@12D_D21 Fair point, and their videos are very good. I'm just getting annoyed by them using that same transition for almost every video to segway to their "Brilliant" sponsorship.

[@marcusaustralius2416]

Ah good, finally some good news from Italy

[@Daniboi971]

Absolutely

[@martynayshford4318]

I think you're missing the ECB reality. The person who decides policy in Italy is Christine Lagarde, Italians can vote for whoever they like, the policies followed will not change. The last time an Italian PM tried to exert sovereignty he was replaced by a technocrat, if the incoming administration doesn't do what it's told the same will happen again, we may well not have seen the last of Mario. The ECB informed Silvio that if he failed to step aside they would make it publicly clear they would no longer buy Italian bonds. Italy today is in a far more precarious situation than it was then. In other words I'm not sure why they bother voting. Just get Christine to set policy.

[@Marvin-ii7bh]

you know what the italians could do? get their stuff together and stop relying so much on outside help. if your economy is healthy, you dont need the ecb

[@martynayshford4318]

@@Marvin-ii7bh I'm not going to disagree with sentiment. But and it's a big but, the Italian economy just doesn't grow very much, even when times are ostensibly good. This makes it's huge debt crushing and of course that debt is in a currency it doesn't control. It is shot as things stand and quietly is little more than a vassal country under ECB control. As I said get Christine explicitly to set policy, because behind the scenes she going to and should at least take public responsibility.

[@intersezioni]

I remind you the economic data of Italy are better than the German ones at the moment.

[@whitezombie10]

The problem is leaving or not leaving EU and the ECB. And literally every EU country does that

[@lucadesanctis563]

And rightfully so. Without Monti, we would have been in default thanks to Berlusconi..

[@pasqualerusso7464]

Very good , clear , real analysis of Italian Center - Right !!! This is Democracy !!!! Italian Media are dominated from Left / Far Left power from circa 50 years !!! W Giorgia Meloni ! W Fratelli d'Italia !

[@witchedwiz]

Funniest thing is that as a young (well over 30s but under the 40s) Italian, I'm intrigued and scared about the clusterfuck of repaying pnnr ... We're in so much debt, and we've demonstrated time and time again that we cannot "operate" properly external money injection: imagine an external money injection that we will have to repay by saddling the current 20s-30s generation with just more debt... We'll party to default I guess :)

[@lampionmancz]

Let's just hope that nothing like Mussolini will be in Italy again.

[@SirAlric82]

There won't be anything like that. All this talk about fascism on the rise is just nothing more than bullshit progaganda from the left. The reality is that FDI, Lega, and FI already govern together in many regions and cities around the country and they have been doing so for many years. And guess what? Democracy is still there. So, again, it's just bullshit propaganda.

[@bumblebee2956]

It’s interesting to see Europe going back to right wing nationalism and fascism since WW2. Full circle

[@picardas1638]

lol which country is coming back to fascism

[@worldofdoom995]

they did that when they formed the EU

[@picardas1638]

@@Just_another_Euro_dude fascism isnt just "fAr riGHT"

[@blueciffer1653]

@@picardas1638 Yea it is cope

[@MMerlyn91]

If the entire fund is 750 and they get 191.5, how is that "under" a quarter, my dude?

[@tristanquin4178]

10:11 That buzz made me think my audio was bugging out lol