Has Italy fixed its Political Instability?

[@MM-un3ob]

As an italian, it feels weird to see the approval rates of the parties being so stable in the polls. Almost eerie. Like in the movies, when a character says "do you hear it?" "I hear nothing" "that's right, too much silence"

[@Solid_Snake99]

You don't represent us right wing italians. You're just a pain to our nation

[@Solid_Snake99]

It feels weird that for the first time leftists are not destroying the nation.

[@Marco-rl6ts]

As an Italian, I can relate.

[@Solid_Snake99]

There is nothing wrong with a right wing government.

[@SVD762-lp9en]

@@Solid_Snake99 True, but the myriads of problems with Meloni's government aren't related to them being right wing.

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

A few things: 1) Great pronunciation! 2) 5 Star Movement is experiencing a rift between Conte and Grillo supporters 3) League doesn't know what to do after Salvini 4) Centrist parties are collapsing because some people want to join a broad anti-Meloni coalition while others prefer becoming a single kingmaker party It's the best video you've ever done about Italy anyway, well done!

[@ID-ig6fq]

Thanks for the “native” insight! Always nice to get an additional local angle / confirmation!

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

If the league put Zaia in power they will rule for the next 20 years for sure...... Now he is free and he is at 80% where he rules.

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

@@ID-ig6fq Thank you!

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld Zaia is very popular in the Northeast but he is reluctant to take the top job in the League... Zaia represents the former Christian Democrat northerners while Vannacci, a rising star in the League, is the right-wing populist darling

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

@@ID-ig6fq Thank you!

[@francesco8000]

It's a weird combination of Meloni being the only conservative leader with any kind of charisma (rip Tajani) and isn't a complete idiot (Rip Salvini) and an opposition that is currently more busy stabbing each other than actually making any kind of united front on policies... also the left leadership is really the most empty void of charisma that you can imagine. It's not a great government but there is basically no alternative right now so it will probably stick till the end (unless Salvini does something stupid again) which is quite rare for Italy.

[@SirAlric82]

The left doesn't have policies. Their only plan is to tax the hell out of the middle class (the rich have their ways to avoid paying too much taxes, or to avoid paying taxes altogether) to pay for welfare handouts to give to the poor in exchange for their votes.

[@Queerz4Palestein]

tajani is actually doing quite well. Forza Italia is stronger now than under late Berlusconi.

[@francesco8000]

@@Queerz4Palestein I'm not saying he's bad, just that he doesn't have that charisma that really grabs your attention. He is just ok.

[@blakedake19]

There is no point on being united in the opposition when the current majority coalition got 58% of the seats with 47% of the popular vote

[@alexlehrersh9951]

bs

[@Aitchless_Cris]

Ita here: Meloni's succsess and this stability has been greatly favoured by the opposition's ineptitude. Basically we are stuck, that's it XD

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Guy if the opposition support policies that are against the will of the overwhelming majority of Italians what do you expect?

[@lorenzogasperini1445]

​@@MarketsDriveTheWorld Like?

[@Solid_Snake99]

​@@lorenzogasperini1445 importing third world migrants

[@soundscape26]

​@@MarketsDriveTheWorldPolicies such as...

[@fuerstmetternich1997]

Well Meloni is far better than the alternative anyway.

[@mpelle129]

From Italy: great video, a very good synthesis. That's your best video about Italian politics so far.

[@casteddu6740]

TLDR of the TLDR Every single party except Meloni's has been in power in a way or another before 2022, especially with Mario Draghi's broad government. This meant that most people with anti-establishment positions, who are prone to change for who they vote any time the party in power fails to deliver it's promises, flew toward Brothers of Italy. The Democratic Party on the other hand has by far the most loyal electorate throughout the Italian political landscape, which ensures that for the time being they have a stable pool of voters between the 17 and the 20%. The PD is also the heir of both the Christian Democrats and the Communist party mentioned at the beginning of the video. Therefore if Italy is to embrace a "de facto" 2 party system it all depends on whether Giorgia Meloni will manage to secure and stabilise her electorate or, just like Salvini's lega, it will begin to crumble the moment her voters see her taking back her word on her electoral promises paving the way to new potential "anti-establishment" parties in the future

[@Zombiemancz]

Huh, good analysis

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

@@casteddu6740 Aggiungerei il fatto che se l'opposizione non crea piani seri di governo rischia di diventerare una specie di Ulivo/Unione unita solo dall'andare contro qualcuno per poi litigare

[@casteddu6740]

@@francescomarcuzzo2891 c'è la questione che quello che propone ora la sinistra è essenzialmente impopolare, senza scendere in cosa ne penso io. È dal 2017 che la politica Italiana si basa sul cercare qualcuno che abbia la capacità di andare al governo del PD ma con un programma elettorale radicalmente opposto, e se partiti come la Lega o i 5 stelle sono passati da poco sopra al 30% (che siano elezioni nazionali o europee) a crollare in così poco tempo, non è perché l'elettorato abbia cambiato idea ma perché i partiti per cui ha votato hanno fatto una sostanziale inversione ad U

[@francescomarcuzzo2891]

@@casteddu6740 L'attuale centrosinistra piace ai fedelissimi, non pesca nell'astensionismo e tanti cosiddetti moderati trovano il centrodestra più rassicurante

[@casteddu6740]

@@francescomarcuzzo2891 quello è poco ma sicuro, ma aggiungerei che il motivo per cui astensionisti e moderati preferiscono l'ombrello della destra è perché sotto sotto un po' di destra lo sono anche loro. Le persone di destra, parlo per esperienza personale, sono più propense a perdere fiducia nella politica e astenersi dal voto rispetto a quelle di sinistra. Quindi gli unici che possono pescare nel mare dell' astensione sono, non dico necessariamente partiti di destra, ma partiti che condividono con questi alcuni punti cruciali. Naturalmente non faccio di tutta l'erba un fascio e sicuramente ci saranno tra i delusi non votanti anche individui di sinistra, ma credo siano una minoranza

[@delbroox]

As someone rightfully said, key elements so far have been Meloni not being completely clueless like previous pathetic leaders such as Salvini (even though she surrounded herself with amateurs and corrupts) and a left wing that has completely lost the plot and is not focused on helping the common people anymore, but lost in weird identity disputes, and talking down the opposition instead of proposing something of their own.

[@AntonSjöstedt]

Italy obviously needs reform (Renzi made a good go at it). At the same time, I hope they do not go with an directly elected PM who gets an automatic majority. That smells too much like a power-grab in a parliamentary democracy with a semi-presidential system.

[@Zombiemancz]

Im just waiting for when Meloni starts calling herself Duce and starts Third Abyssinian war.

[@CatiosPizza]

The reform she was trying to pass is literally the acerbo law that was passed by the Nazis, but instead of a 2/3rds majority it's like 55%

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@Zombiemancznha Italians are some of the most anti war populations right now.. Even at the time they had to promise certain things..... Like when they promised that Libya was a huge fertile land..... 😂😂

[@Zombiemancz]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld HAHAHA. Biggest scam in human history

[@simonebaruzzi156]

the reform smells too much fascism ?i smell it .

[@silverdoctor6298]

Political stability in Italy? We have had 68 governments in 78 years, and now we want to start being stable? Crazy things.

[@HypaxBE]

To me it's weird to see technocrats banned, because to me at least they made decisions that regular politicians were unwilling to make because they would lose in popularity. It seems more like a power grab, it's the politicians that are unworthy to be in power. Although you could also say, who's going to check the technocrats who also, don't be naive, have their motives. But the outcome generally lies closer to what is truly needed for the country not groups or individuals.

[@casteddu6740]

@@HypaxBE technocrats have proven to be very unpopular, and are often perceived by the public are pursuing foreign interests rather than those of the country they govern. Just look at the elections after Draghi's government fell apart. The parties that were part of it, especially those claiming to be anti-establishment, collapsed Carlo Calenda's electoral list "3rd pole", which promised to carry on Draghi's policies, ended up as 4th. Giorgia Meloni got most of her votes mostly from people who didn't care what she actually promised but merely saw that Brothers of Italy was the only relevant party who did not join Draghi's broad coalition. The Meloni executive is essentially the result of an anti-technocrat vote, so the abolition of such a figure makes sense

[@SirAlric82]

In Italy we had a full technocratic government led by Mario Monti in 2012 who was committed to do unpopular things politicians were unwilling to do. In the end all they did was raise taxes and make people poorer and so one year later they were sent home and nobody missed them. This idea that technocrat is inherently better than politician is BS. In a democracy the government is supposed to represent the will of the people and answer to the voters so an unelected unaccountable bureaucrat is the farthest thing possible from democracy.

[@HypaxBE]

@@SirAlric82 I get that it's not fun to suddenly pay more taxes and have less disposable income. But what would politicians do? Keep on spending, adding debt endlessly to keep their voter base happy and stay in power? And especially dumping those costs, interests on future governments and generations of people. To me that also is not the solution. I'd love to see some solution to keep politicians and parties accountable for their decisions and results, but I don't see how.

[@marcosa2000]

​@@HypaxBE I think it depends on whether the taxes are raised on the rich or the lower classes. If they are raised on the rich, good. If they are raised on the lower classes, bad

[@HypaxBE]

@@marcosa2000 I agree that overall it should be considered fair. But again with political parties they rather serve their base which may be the poor (socialist) or the rich (liberal). Overall I would assume that a technocrat has less of this bias. But they also have to work with constraints, like the rich, if taxed tend to move to other countries and then everyone loses. For this specific constraint I'd look at the European level because even for the rich leaving a continent is a bigger barrier than a country unfortunately.

[@escape209]

bring back my man germano mosconi, he will make italy great again

[@matteocarta8355]

In Italy, we are so good at making fiction. It's our only skill in politics.

[@intersezioni]

Now English politics has become the laughing stock of Europe! In 4 years how many prime ministers have they changed?

[@guydreamr]

Uh, last time I checked, this video was about Italian politics, not British.

[@worldmilitarystats]

nah that mess was all in 2022. despite some internal unrest, Keir Starmer IS leading as the government and will likely be so until the next election at least

[@roccociccone597]

@@guydreamr yes but all things considered British politics is arguably doing worse... perhaps they'll recover, perhaps they'll be stuck like we are in Italy...

[@armelfrancois7009]

erhm, have you looked across the channel to France lately?

[@MrHws5mp]

You can always tell the people who take a keen interest in Italian politics because they look very the same as the crowd at a tennis match...

[@andreageuna6649]

As an Italian, this explaination is very well done. Congrats! I would just add that political instability is typical of the multi-party systems that are predominant in continental Europe: the Netherlands, Austria, Belgium, Danemark, etc. Even those countries with more stability (France and Germany, but also UK) are facing the rising of third (or fourth, fifth, etc.) parties that are undermining the traditional alternance of two bigger parties (socialists and gaullistes in France, SPD and CDU in Germany, Labour and Tories in UK, etc.). To be honest, the alternance between two big parties is typical only of Anglo-Saxon democracies, while in many other countries multi-party coalitions are de facto required and still represent fully democratic systems

[@pennypiper7382]

..and here in Australia we complain about the two Party system…😐

[@danix4883]

@@pennypiper7382same here in the USA lol, Americans really gotta be grateful for having a relatively stable government

[@terminationshock1356]

2:36 Italian Elaine

[@shadowfoxxie7182]

You should have talked about the Years of Lead

[@Trebor-17]

and Operazione Gladio

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@Trebor-17 And Gladio Rossa

[@lorenzodepaoli]

In the last five years we've had three governments, which is not bad in Italian politics, and likely this government will complete its term. But don't get too excited. Italy's parties are flimsy things. Meloni's party is powerful right now, but it could collapse at any moment; the seeds are there: scandals, incompetent officials, and suspicion towards the other members of the government (who have their own agenda). The center-left Democratic Party has shown several times that it's an unstable entity with an uncertain future. Schlein has at least given it a strong center-left ideological identity, but has trouble finding allies, both with the center (riddled with infighting) and with the left (where the 5 stars are on an endless downward spirals). In short, things look stable now, but give it a couple year and we might see Forza Italia or the Left-Greens (parties on the rise) winning the election.

[@LeonardoCeli-jq8ck]

I would be surprised if the Greens win the election. (actually it could happen once in the 2030s)

[@TimonLepidus]

Analisi perfetta fino alla frase finale: in nessun universo Forza Italia o i Verdi possono arrivare primi in un'elezione. Siamo seri, non ci sono le carte in regola: Forza Italia è ciò che rimane di un partito che una volta prendeva percentuali paragonabili a quelle di FDI oggi (ma con meno astensione), i Verdi sono sin troppo radicali come programma politico e onestamente credo che quel 7% preso alle Europee sia un exploit isolato sulla scia di quello della Bonino alle europee di fine anni 90 (non ricordo bene la data ma si può dedurre contando ogni cinque anni a ritroso)

[@lorenzodepaoli]

​@@TimonLepidus E' ovviamente un'esagerazione, ma non è un impossibilità. Forza Italia si sta muovendo in modo deciso per occupare il centro. Si tratta di una soluzione al contempo obbligata (non ci sono spazi per avere appeal sull'elettorato conservatore come ai tempi di Berlusconi) e allo stesso tempo potenzialmente vincente. FI sta lavorando molto sui liberali-autonomisti del nord, che hanno mollato la lega e non staranno per sempre con FDI, e sui social-liberali, divisi tra partiti di scarso appeal (Az, IV, +E) e il PD (un partito instabile) e l'astensionismo. Giocando le carte giuste (i.e. tenendo gente come la Ronzulli lontana dal comando) FI potrebbe raggiungere livelli importanti di consenso. Verdi-Sinistra sono più improbabili, lo ammetto, ma solo perché mancano al momento di un* "Meloni di sinistra", un* leader carismatico. Con un* leader carismatico non solo attingerebbero a piene mani (come stanno facendo e continueranno a fare) dal tracollo dei 5S, ma potrebbe anche competere con il PD per l'elettorato socialdemocratico, e potrebbero persino conquistare i social-liberali il cui principale 'political issue' è l'ambiente. Ma sì, al momento il PD mi sembra meglio posizionato su questo.

[@TimonLepidus]

@@lorenzodepaoli ripeto, non vedo FI come il prossimo partito che dominerà i sondaggi come fa FDI adesso. La realtà per come la vedo è che ancora oggi in Italia l'idea vincente sia un populismo con idee di destra (e un pizzico di sinistra che può diventare più o meno consistente in base al tema più sentito). Ricordi che alle scorse europee la Lega, con un'affluenza maggiore, arrivò sopra al 34%? Non penso che quei voti, che a queste europee evidentemente sono venuti meno dato che in numeri assoluti il centrodestra ha perso voti, e i 5S (partito oggi nel campo largo di sinistra ma che può avere appeal fra i populisti di altre aree politiche) hanno fatto un sonoro flop, siano persone che oggi metterebbero la croce su un partito di sinistra o che rappresenta a pieno titolo il sistema (FI)

[@Richard1A2B]

British person calling out another country for political instability! 😂😂😂😂 Cameron May Johnson Truss Sunak Starmer Reves?

[@grethi8110]

Me, an Italian, trying to find the stability you're talking about

[@NocKme]

You guys haven't seen any stability since Augustus 😂

[@MAACH02]

Bro questo governo ha già retto più a lungo di un governo medio

[@EndoClaw]

@@NocKmeim sure there was a period of stability somewhere in that 1800 year long timeframe, not sure where but im sure its there

[@AlFreeman-xy4jy]

@NocKme They too were being killed by their own senators....😃😃

[@nafvol5053]

@@MAACH02 grazie alle liste bloccate, non so quando sei nato tu

[@europainvicta3907]

What you must understand about Italy is that it has, since 1948, had proportional representation. What happened for the next 40 years was the CD were in government all the time. Governments didn’t ‘fall’ they were just ‘reshuffled’. Which is why there was so much corruption and stasis. As you correctly point out, the end of the Cold War and the demise of Andreotti and the rise of Berlusconi, ensured a new phase in politics and more change and governments. Prior to that, it is arguable that Italy had 1 government between 1948 - 1994

[@antonioposa4070]

Good video. The long summary about politics in Italy up to 2022 is very good. I find the whole premise of "fixing" politics by solidifying it into a two-party system unacceptable and thesis-driven, though. Meloni is crushing opposition by stark control over all public and private TV and radio channels, is brutalizing immigrants and her international policies are appalling. And her repressing approach to protest conforms to policies of a century ago, an era she loves. She is destroying Italy's democracy further, not that it wasn't in poor shape already

[@francescomasiero7285]

Meloni is actually not controlling TV and Radio channels, it's fake news created by the opposition

[@Filomovie]

Sad to see such a succinct description of our political situations with so few likes

[@cal7348]

I giornali e la magistratura sono controllati dalla sinistra e da de benedetti /elkann. Evita di scrivere caxxate per favore.

[@claudioristagno6460]

Well said.

[@AlFreeman-xy4jy]

As a person of the left, I say that it is not as if the other governments were also broad-minded with the protests, and brutalising immigrants like, they are always here. For state television, have we forgotten that it was Renzi who monopolised RAI with a law?

[@KernelPanicked]

The answer is NO, as the Italian political system is very unstable due to a myriad of intertwining issues and the judiciary branch is even worse.

[@HungoverHistorian-zf6gi]

Yep. The main issue is the lack of balance between the judicial system and the two other powers. Obviously it’s too long for a TLDR, but nobody else here in the comments mentioned this

[@watoft]

The one thing all English speakers get very wrong about Italian politics is the instability issue. Yes, PMs change but for decades following the Second World War there was the CD. The same faces year after years. In the UK, the reign of the Torries saw 5 different PMs. But it was the same government.

[@spacekicker4]

Of course she's trying to ban a technocratic government. She almost had me changing my mind on her too. A dog will always bark. It's not suprising to me in the least that her party is doing well.

[@lordoftherakatanempire6072]

She's the leader of the successor party to the PNF. Her being up to some illiberal bullshit is par for the course.

[@AndreaTamponi]

I think, and excuse me for the brutality, that you have no clue on the Italian political situation and therefore you should read everything I write to you. The data from which you should start to understand the Italian situation is the fact that today 50% of the population has renounced exercising its right to vote. In the case of Italy this is not a physiological fact but highly pathological and symptomatic. Of what is it the symptom? It is a symptom of the fact that many voters who have gradually experimented with the various solutions mostly with the logic of voting not for the party of their preference but for the party that was the one they had a less unfavorable idea of ​​now find themselves in the condition of not being able to orient themselves to vote even to exercise this kind of choice. The stability of the political framework is mainly the result of this and secondly of the presence of non coalisable parties mainly in the camp opposed to Meloni. In Meloni's camp, Salvini's League has transformed from a Northern movement that had even toyed with the idea of ​​secession into a national party of populist and far-right mold very similar to the Reform of the United Kingdom. Forza Italia is a party that wavers irresolutely between right and center trying to keep together its souls that in part express a strong subservience to Meloni's leadership and on the other hand oppose it especially with respect to the more radical and populist positions of Meloni herself and Salvini. Meloni and Fratelli d'Italia are struggling between covering Salvini on the right and presenting themselves in Europe and in the world as an Atlanticist ally who does not give up fighting with their own sovereignist ideas and who therefore does not vote for the ESM, often and willingly covers Orban with their vote. So Meloni plays several parts in a comedy to cover the expectations of both her most radical electorate on which she has lived for many years and to cover the electorate that she has largely recovered from leaving Forza Italia and the 5 Star Movement but also partly from the disappointed members of the Democratic Party. She manages to do this thanks to a rather positive image that she has been able to create of herself. In the opposite camp, the alliance between the PD and the M5S that should represent the cornerstone clashes with the non-existence of the leaderships of both parties that are born as external and extraneous leaderships to those parties themselves. Both Conte and Schlein, before being leaders, were not at all political subjects of those parties of which they were not even members. These are very weak and unrealistic leaderships that reap consensus not on the policies they propose but on the sympathy they arouse. In their camp, forces of a very fragmented consistency stand out in their neighborhood, such as the Alliance of the Greens and the Left, as well as +Europa, as Azione and as Italia Viva. They are political parties that are antithetical to each other and antithetical in many ways also to PD and M5S. In this context it is quite obvious that rather than stabilized the political framework is crystallized and blocked with an ever-increasing number of people abandoning the exercise of the right to vote not only because of tiredness but because of the concrete impossibility of making a choice.

[@jackdunn3235]

Still got a low birth rate and a high tax burden, low wages and a dodgy banking sector.

[@SkillIssue-b6w]

Sounds like spain to me

[@dannyarcher6370]

Is there something peculiar to Italy's system that creates this instability? PR can't be to blame as many countries use it without issue.

[@silverdoctor6298]

Actually our political system has nothing really particular that creates this instability

[@federicoitalico7425]

Italian constitution. Create for to serve the lobbies and avoid stability, after our defeat: ALL parties after ww2 were controlled from abroad (US, Britain, Soviet Union, Vatican) all the sistem was created for avoid any political independece or national interest, avoiding any national sovraignity.

[@CarlMarxPunk]

Corruption and populism.

[@CarlMarxPunk]

@@federicoitalico7425 Is Italy a south american country that ended up in Europe by accident?

[@silverdoctor6298]

@@CarlMarxPunk no, but we were under american control throughout the First Republic (see Operation Gladio)

[@nafvol5053]

it is because of the new electoral system. we no longer chose our members of parlament but now there are fixed lists of candidates who responfd to the political leaders and vote how they are told to. only after new law governments would reach the end of their term.

[@punishedpinecone4772]

If 5 star is centrist, why do they sit with the far-left bloc in the EU?

[@torstenpersson2058]

I love the speaker's voice.

[@fabioasterix750]

Italy here Well, if having a One only party that waves different flags without any possibility for the people to express their dissent, yes, "instability" Is fixed

[@nafvol5053]

as a fellow italian i confirm that this with the electoral law with fixed lists of candidates is why Italy has political stability

[@riccardobizzarri3922]

As an italian I prefer instability over this government

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Then you're not very smart

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Preferisco questo governo all'instabilità

[@andrewnellestyn5978]

Melonie is focussed, well informed, has a vision, a true leader and speaks her mind when others cringe when confronted by the tyrannical behaviour of her misdirected and bullying world leader colleagues. No to woke! No to forever wars! No to hegemony! Yes to sovereignty and independence! Yes to sound geopolitical and economic policies. And promotion of individual and collective wellbeing. Integrity and respect are evident!

[@Czarek23PL]

where is a video about flods in central europe?

[@USEismydream]

The average of 13 months??? And they still are a democracy? HOW?

[@charleslynch340]

Ah yes, the intermission, must be half time.

[@PoppiD93]

Short answer: NO. - An Italian,

[@Tex_actual]

Italy's political scene makes France's look tame.

[@Henbot]

Think operation gladio is pretty valid to talk about when looking at the whole of Italy politics. But excellent video

[@whatabouttheearth]

🤷 It's not like Berlusconi was a P2 member or anything

[@whatabouttheearth]

🤷 It's not like Berlusconi was a P2 member or anything

[@michelesantolini4342]

great synthesis

[@Alban-ux8jf]

In short - No, Italy isn't anywhere close to finding a solution to their politics

[@dadaistaingegniere]

Is italian political instability fixing a good thing? Italian political stability= establishment statu quo= "Cambiare tutto perché tutto rimanga come prima".

[@ZootBeta-kl2xq]

Beh in realtà direi che il continuo avvicendamento di partiti che abbiamo visto, senza significativi cambiamenti, è più vicino alla frase Gattopardesca di quanto lo sia un governo stabile, che rappresenta effettivamente una novità. Certo, nel caso di Meloni è forse meglio parlare di res novae, stravolgimenti in negativo cioè.

[@dadaistaingegniere]

@@ZootBeta-kl2xq Se non ti lavi, per quanto ti cambi vestiti tre volte al giorno e tutti i giorni, e sempre diversi, la puzza non te la togli. Identica cosa se usi due mute d'indumenti. In Italia non c'è nessun partito che proponga riduzione del deficit fiscale attraverso tagli ALLA POLITICA, che sono gli unici tagli che servono per cancellare imposte e ridurre regolamentazioni.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@dadaistaingegniere Cosa sarebbero questi "tagli alla politica"

[@dadaistaingegniere]

@@NoName-hg6cc Privatizzare, ma ancor più importante deregolamentare e sburocratizzare interi settori, tutte le attività economiche in mano allo Stato, Regioni e Comuni non devono avere nessuna partecipazione in aziende. Lo Stato non è concepito per far azienda. Il politico statale, e anche la stragrande maggioranza dei funzionarii dello Stato, vive dalle imposte, vive in una fantasia indolore che però paghiamo noi i pagatori d'imposte e torturati dalle regolamentazioni corrote. Non farà mai azienda perché non paga mai i propri misfatti e fallimenti, fuorché non gli trovino la mano sul pugnale e il pugnale dentro il cadavere in diretta tv, specialmente nelle scelte economiche e giuridiche. Quando un politico porta rovina ai cittadini che sono competenti e lavorano, senza volerlo o, più spesso, apposta perché riceve un tornaconto, il conto da pagare lo passa a noi: innalza le imposte e le regolamentazioni. Problema risolto... per loro. Ma anche quando le attività statali rendono in positivo: siccome il politico ha potere d'intervenire su queste "aziende", il risultato economico sarà sempre inferiore alla stessa impresa se fosse privata, perchè si distorsiona l'attività di mercato e c'è meno concorrenza. Risultato: gli italiani ogni volta più poveri e più bruti.

[@kightsun]

Without the Italian Crown there should be no Italy tbh

[@danliddiard]

Glad Italy is stable.

[@user-sh3cf7kd6e]

6:07 AKA you can't be anti-establishment if you are the establishment. That's why anyone who is anti-establishment, act out of emotion and not basic logic.

[@JeremiCzarnecki]

Seems like the sound recording settings are either not adjusted to Georgina's voice, or something in the studio has been changed. There is a bit of an echo, and it doesn't sound as polished as previous videos, for example Jack's bit that was inserted in the beginning.

[@peterfireflylund]

They moved recently. I think Jack’s part was recorded before the move.

[@marcosanavia5998]

it's funny how to understand my nation's political situation I have to see a foreigner video

[@burburchacha]

Meloni is easily the most competent political leader now in the western world

[@SarastistheSerpent]

If that’s true, we are doomed, given that she is pretty incompetent

[@andreabianchi6156]

Imagine the others

[@ecoideazventures6417]

Everything is great about this video except the graphs which are not clear at all!

[@MrTomadevil]

Remarkable turnover rate: 13 months Meanwhile in the uk: 3 months..... hush-hush

[@LinoLacal]

from the perspective of somebody who grew up and lives in italy, these videos are 60& wikipedia surface-level knowledge, 30% ads and maybe 10% also surface-level research from international newspapers. You most definitely could afford to hire italian writers or researches, or even just look at italian youtubers talking about political news with EN subs, but it seems you prefer saving as much money and time as you can instead of making decent content.

[@soundscape26]

Then they would have to hire researchers and writers for a bunch other countries too... not feasible. The TLDR channels are aimed at a casual audience.

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

Point of TLDR is TLDR. They want to give you basic information about issue, they are not hear to write essay about it, specially not about issue in country in which they do not live and do not know language. As sucht they should always be understood as base for further research, not end of research.

[@sonny19931]

Italian here, this is as good a summary as you can make. Not going in depth with a million names and minor parties was the right choice and there are no mistakes or huge omissions from what I can judge

[@stevannaruto]

Its a TLDR... It is meant to be a brief overview of the situation, not an in depth explanation. In case of my country(Serbia), when they cover news from here, its always just a brief explanation of the situation, not an in depth analysis, but that is the whole point of the channel. For what they mean to do, which is brief overview, content is good

[@Leonard-td5rn]

In US we have two parties chicken or pigeon

[@Anti-CornLawLeague]

Micheal Parenti was soyjaking about Berlusconi’s win in 1994 because it had things like lower taxes and school vouchers in its platform.

[@frcluc]

TLDR video starts at 1:01

[@koantao8321]

Kudos! You improved greatly since the first time. Italy has just introduced a new draconian law which has stifled the freedom of speech and public dissent. Very serious threat to democracy.

[@MartieD]

Funny how two TLDR team members are now both brushing up on some college philosophy that they genuinly thought they'd forgotten.

[@rshmnz]

Haha seems that the uk’s political system is also starting to become unstable lately… how many PM did you have the past couple of years?

[@worldmilitarystats]

nah that mess was all in 2022. despite some internal unrest, Keir Starmer IS leading as the government and will likely be so until the next election at least. Britain's quite stable, there was mess in 2022 due to corruption scandals, that all died though. Currently the PM changed due to a mandatory general election which happens every 5 years. obviously britains not good, but its more stable than it was 2yrs ago by a long way

[@lucchese20]

Thanks for this video. My issue is use of the English word “government.” The “government” did not fall. It changed (via elections or otherwise) its “parliamentary coalition.” This TLDR video indeed uses the English words “government” and “coalition” interchangeably. I suspect the root cause of this issue is someone in Italy has translated (many years ago) the Italian word “governo” into the English word “government.” These two words do NOT have the same meaning. Please continue to use the word “coalition” or “parliamentary coalition” in future videos. Grazie. 🙏🏻

[@playdischord1791]

The English use of “government” can also refer to the parliamentary coalition and not just the actual administrative civil government. Hence why English news headline will often say “The Prime minister’s government collapsed” or “The King asked X Party leader to form a government”, etc. So, it’s not necessarily a translation error. What’s interesting is that this use of the word is not common at all in American English which might be why there’s confusion.

[@lucchese20]

@@playdischord1791 Possibly. All I know is the USA and other English language feeds that I read or see typically report the Italian government has “fallen” or “failed” and in the USA this has a very different connotation than the word “governo” in Italian. Cheers. 👋🏻

[@technopixel6062]

they didn't

[@georgiewalker5826]

My main issue with this video, is that there was too much info in one short video, either should have been a longer video, or more focused and honed more, maybe save the history

[@brianr4054]

Deeply ashamed to admit that I find Georgia Meloni attractive😢

[@maxdepasquale2351]

During the so-called "first republic", governments lasted little time indeed but they were expression of the same or similar majorities in the Parliament. The 25 years of the "second republic" were... yes, those, mercurial. Now, perhaps, Italy has found a tiny bit of stability, although only time will tell how much it will last. Perhaps till when the centre-left will start to have more decent politicians that do not tear apart their own parties. That said, it is not a surprise that a centre-right (more right than centre, but that becomes too little talk to bother about) government are in power. Whereas we have had important political figures who were socialist or centre-left, on the whole Italy tends to be politically moderate.

[@thedude9014]

Mussolini was stably in power for 20 years.

[@Queerz4Palestein]

Only because coward king VE 3 allowed him. He could have been ousted in 24 hours.

[@charliesargent6225]

@@Queerz4Palestein By who? The Fascist were too powerful, I guess you think the same of Hitler in Germany? Simplistic thinking.

[@Queerz4Palestein]

@@charliesargent6225 No, that's where you are wrong. The Italian Army was very loyal to the King. If the King has ordered to go and arrest or even kill Mussolini, they would have done it. The Italian Army generals hated Mussolini and knew he was a bufoon.

[@HungoverHistorian-zf6gi]

@@charliesargent6225 honestly, it’s kind of a mixed bag. Only thing that could be done politically was Mussolini’s council eventually could have decided to veto Vittorio Emanuele’s succession and choose a Savoia of the Aosta branch instead. The king feared a succession crisis and political unrest, yet his choices proved disastrous. Vittorio Emanuele didn’t dare concretely oppose Mussolini until his fellow fascists agreed to throw him under the bus. About the army, they were indeed faithful to the monarchy, up until about september 1943. There’s a reason Gen. Messe was elected with the Christian Democracy, not the Monarchist party

[@Queerz4Palestein]

@@charliesargent6225 You have no idea of what you are talking about. The fascists didn't have an army. The King had. The army could have ousted fascism in 24 hours and in fact they did in 1943.

[@gaetanomignano7368]

Well the second longest government in our history was Berlusconi’s. Historically right wing governments last longer because they face less ethical issues and tend to stick together even if they disagree because as long as they have the power they’ll agree on everything. An example is the Ius scholae (giving citizenship to boys and girls who complete high school) that was proposed by a center/left party and one of the parties in the government said that they agreed, but in the end they voted against it because Meloni and the other one said so. So that’s it.. the right wing formula: as long as we have the power we don’t care about our values. On the other side I wish the left wing parties agreed more on stuff and got together to form a progressive left wing government in Italy because we so desperately need it

[@samueleg.7716]

Vedo una serie di commenti su questo video al limite del ridicolo, sopratutto di italiani che hanno questa spassionata voglia di descrivere un paese al limite dell' autoritarismo. Nel peggiore dei casi, per queste persone, si tornerà a votare fra tre anni. In democrazia vince e governa chi prende più voti, ma vedo che l' attrazione per i governi tecnici solletica il palato di chi ora sta all' opposizione e non se ne da pace.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Più che altro, piace un sistema instabile dove comandano i capi di piccoli partiti che possono far cadere governi. Io invece vorrei governi più stabili

[@samueleg.7716]

@@NoName-hg6cc Hai perfettamente ragione, nella prima repubblica i governi cadevano perché nel congresso provinciale della DC di Grosseto una determinata corrente, magari sottorappresentata nell' esecutivo, aveva avuto un risultato migliore della volta precedente ed allora bisognava farlo vedere nei rapporti di forza. Ad essere onesti, nell' attuale panorama politico, gli unici governi "solidi", come durata intendo, sono quelli di centrodestra. Quando il centrosinistra è al comando la durata dei governi torna come quelli della prima repubblica.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@samueleg.7716 Vero!

[@funghi2606]

Ma dove? Parliamone dopo: l’elezioni per il leader della Lega La discesa in campo di Marina Berlusconi (che già parla con Draghi) E la possibile formazione di un partito da Vannacci Se la Meloni riesce a sopravvivere a tutto questo si potrà parlare di stabilità dell’esecutivo

[@funghi2606]

Non nomino il PD o 5Stelle perché sono entrambi abbastanza inutili haha

[@casteddu6740]

L'unico modo per la Lega per non diventare la brutta copia di Forza Italia è tornare il partito nordista di una volta, quindi non certo un possibile rivale per la Meloni Se Marina Berlusconi pensa di ottenere consensi attraverso Draghi direi che comincia già male Per Vannacci non so che dirti, è tutto fumo e niente arrosto, anche se domani se ne uscisse con un proclama che potrei trovare condivisibile sarebbe la classica "non mi piace questo" senza effettivamente darmi una concreta alternativa a ciò di cui si lamenta

[@simonebaruzzi156]

@@casteddu6740 per me si scioglie l'alleanza di destra e ne' Meloni , ne' la Lega vedranno mai piu' il governo . I Berlusconi l'hanno detto abbastanza chiaro :" un conto e' servirsi della destra , un conto e' servire la destra" . Finche' facevano ( i due partiti di destra , Silvio si e' sempre considerato un moderato di centro , mai uno di destra ) da valletti li poteva tollerare , ora che vogliono fare il paese come pare a loro non va , vedrai quanta palta cadra' addosso a Salvini & Meloni prossimamente da parte dei media di Berlusconi .

[@funghi2606]

Beh Zaia è riuscito a vincere in Veneto con il 70%, di certo sottrarrebbe voti al nord Meloni ha vinto con il minor numero di partecipanti ad un elezione, soprattutto perché molti meridionali non si sono presentati, zone in cui comunque Berlusconi andava bene Vannacci potrebbe prendersi benissimo il 4/5% di estrema destra deluso dalla spinta moderata della Meloni. Sono attacchi da molti fronti, vediamo se resiste

[@casteddu6740]

@@funghi2606 secondo me ne risulterebbe solo un rimpasto della stessa coalizione, con magari più concessioni per il Nord

[@BruttiF27]

Spoiler alert: no

[@fabiobertocchi9488]

I believe a big reason why Meloni's party has kept it's support so high is that she has been able to blame every mistake on Salvini, who has not having a great run and who's basically a sort of scape goat (I am not making an exucuse for him, I really don't like him. Nor Meloni for what matters). It's easier to do your job when everyone is focused on the guy that keeps doing stupid stuff and embarassing himself in the background.

[@VinodSinghpa]

Hi Parmeshwar Ka Nara Hai All Word Hamara Hai...Hi Parmeshwar All Word Hamara Hai

[@Augustus_Imperator]

Turns out, to get rid of political instability all you need is a competent leader who is coherent with its principles

[@diogorodrigues747]

Which is not entirely true though. What Meloni has done since getting into power is way different from what she said while campaigning in 2022.

[@casteddu6740]

@@Augustus_Imperator more accurately, all you need is everyone failing miserably at their chance until only one guy remains to take a try

[@smirkyshadow4152]

Ok "Augustus_Imperator" You know Meloni has backtracked on almost every single policy she ran on right?

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@diogorodrigues747not really she was very moderate during the campaign, leftist exaggerated what she said that talked about things said years ago to scare people and then are surprised..... I listened what she said...

[@Augustus_Imperator]

@@smirkyshadow4152 such as? can you give me 3 examples?

[@natheriver8910]

Very fascinant 👏 🔥 👏 🔥 👏 🔥🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@ravichandel8690]

if i learn italian language can i apply for job in italy

[@remolabarca4959]

So, what's the answer to the question? I didn't quite catch that.... SPOILER: No, it has not

[@lucazeppegno8256]

It seems rally a at theme reasoning. In the past Italy had much more stability (unofrtunaltely) under Berlusconi, for example, even a five years government. So it doesn't seem in any way that Meloni is better to obtain a stable government than anyone else (Berlusconi, Craxi, etc.), just the political situation of her allies do not permit them, at the moment, to be anything more than simple supporter in right coalition.

[@NunTheLass]

The left stopped thinking before the right did. Tell me your opinion on climate and I can tell your position on Palestine, trade unions, trans rights and so on. And you can switch all those talking points around, each one implies all the others. It didn't also work the same for the right, they were more willing to mix and match. But now it does. To the point that whether a position is even logically defensible is no longer relevant. It makes perfect sense to me that people on the right now also dig in and embrace a whole package. I think it's interesting how infuriating it is when other people do this. Who knew?

[@kaerakapten88]

Short answer; no..

[@migen.t]

Answer Is NO😂

[@EuroNutellaMan]

Spoiler: no not really

[@lucaorlandi289]

Yes i think .Giorgia Will be prime minister for a long time ,and will change with premierato the way How prime minister Will be elected

[@nate8932]

why ot just implement a first past the post system like in the uk or canada? Seems alot more stable

[@Jeff-fz9hg]

I like the new host

[@jdmortega9121]

Meloni is a good leader for Italy , respect from 🇪🇦

[@mtaufiqn5040]

Glad that italian finally have stable politics after all

[@anonimo2932]

ah, wait that the PNR money runs out and we will have another technical government.

[@cia5649]

meh it will crash eventually its not italy if it doesnt

[@erik_havoc]

Facism is stable?

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@anonimo2932we aren't even using it.... Seriously Meloni isn't the one who spent money like there's no tomorrow on houses..... Leftist did... And now leftist are accusing her to cut pensions...... 😂😂

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​​​@@erik_havocyou literally said you support unrestricted migration....and "****** you" to everyone who has a different opinion...

[@draspian]

Answer: no. The current government is a clown show. Refusing accountability and concentrating power to insulate yourself from responsibility isn't the same as stability.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

🙄🙄🙄🙄 Stability means having support to maintain power not your opinion about them, and I can assure you that a LOT of people want them. where I live is difficult to find someone who vote for the left...you are assuming that a LOT of people don't want them in power while in reality they don't want leftist and couldn't care less about the "clown show" also guy is pretty ridiculous to focus on dumb scandals who that is definitely not what decide the future of the country. 🙄

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Your opinion... Stability means having support not "I don't like them" 🙄🙄 sure millions over millions of Italians do... For the one below: 17% 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 They have almost 50% where do you take your data 😂😂 leftist around 20%+

[@antoniousai1989]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld They are governing with 17% of votes. Don't be a clown

[@Solid_Snake99]

We italians actually love it.

[@antoniousai1989]

@@Solid_Snake99 no we don't, stay in Fortnite, hellspawn.

[@ulisesmarpegan3874]

Wow. Now I learn that Berlusconi was a center politician…

[@simonebaruzzi156]

i have to say a couple of things 1st what you call instability is a virtue , not a weakness ; it means that there is a balance in the country that avoid that any party take too much power and avoid drastical changes , a too stable govern becomes hard to kick out , and we have seen one century ago the consequeces of it 2nd you see stability because one party after national election have good results in the Europeans aand is strong in polls ? look at the 2 previous Europeans elections : Renzi's PD almost got 40% , and Salvini's Lega got 37 % , few years after that they got halved . 3rd in the right there is constant fight for leadership , and i would not bet bet that Meloni would be the right leader in next electoral round in the last elections we had 3 different results and 3 different leaders came out . And than there is my personal opinion about that constitutional change : it gives too much power to the winners , and basically any majority that comes out could change constitution , and give this power to a neofascist party is not such a good idea , we have already seen repressive laws against protests , and laws for silencing opposition in public run televisions , and othe ideological laws that have no sense at all if not seen in ideological way . i am for a pure proportional without any govern bonus seat for the winners and the govern , a technical govern is always the most equilibrate and less ideologized , this country have been broken by divisions and polarization , an ideological govern is the most harmful thing that could happen to this country.

[@chopin4525]

Very good points. I made similar remarks pointing out corruption and referendum results.

[@SirAlric82]

A leftist complaining that the right is too ideological has to be one of the most comical statements ever. Also, a technical government is the most equilibrate and less ideologized only because it couldn't care less about the will of the people, as it only exists to serve the interests of the wealthy elites which only have one goal: make more money.

[@Drakexis6637]

Instabily Is a weakness because you can't make good reforms, only a long lasting government can make it. If we want to resolve our chronic high unemployment rate (at least in the range 16-30) and our low salaries, we need strong (and at least at the beginning) unpopular reforms.

[@StopThatUselessNoise]

Instability is a weakness. Italy is essentially in a limbo because of this corrupt and outdated system. It's not 1946 anymore, we shouldn't worry about some fascist boogeyman that nutjobs from the PD fantasise so much about.

[@jacques.cousteau]

To bring examples from 100 years ago to infer on future possible outcomes is tone-deaf if not outright nuts... governments are not born in a vacuum and it is self-evident that the world of today is radically different from our great-grandfathers'. That said, stability today IS a virtue because we heavily rely on our financial credibility and economic stability to pay off our debts and ask for loans. It goes without saying that having a clear path for a 5-year governance give enough hints to the financial insitutions to accept and adapt to the circumstances and allow politics to apply at least medium-term policies without watching their backs all the time, e.g. if we have the elections in 6 months the government will hardly implement unpopular policies. And honestly, we have had pure proportional for 47 years and big coalitions ruling with a wafer-thin majority for the most part of the last 40 years and we can see the results...

[@infodrop231]

No.

[@MrTomadevil]

As non-Italian Europeans, we look up to Meloni and wish we had such a strong leader who cares about their people! 👏👏👏

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Meloni doesn’t care about her people lol

[@MrTomadevil]

@@SarastistheSerpent why not? From the outside it seems she does.

[@nicky29031977]

The day Italy has stable politics will be the day Palestine and Israel make peace.

[@vkmi5776]

How to fix political instability. Step 1: Elect a charismatic pseudofascist prime minister. Step 2: let said minister monopolize news by combining allied mediaset platform with political nomination in the national television Step 3: use said monopoly to spread misinformation and lie about what you are doing. Sprinkle with populist propaganda and populist actions such as one time bonus for this and that. Avoid at all cost resignations even in front of the biggest fuck ups (step 3 comes in clutch here as well). There, instability fixed.

[@vkmi5776]

Also, better an unstable government, than a stable bad one.

[@silviomunicino9158]

-sip coffee -read title -eject hot coffee from the nose laughing No, we did not fixed it.

[@thewhiteEagle]

Meloni by far the best in Italy 🇮🇹,, Italian should stay with Meloni

[@mambo2412]

Of course we let waste our billions on one bridge between Sicily and the mainland. Meanwhile our infrastructure, especially in the countryside is already consumed and needed investments years ago. The human isn’t able to govern other humans. Hope god brings his kingdom as soon as possible here on earth too. So finally we can live in peace too.

[@theconqueringram5295]

Well, this is Italy we're talking about.

[@laszlogyorgynagy9019]

This channel should stop catering information like the american media. Very interesting thing that Meloni was described as a far right leader a few months ago and now she is just right wing....u cant just randomly label people because they dont have the same opinion as u.

[@Akutabai5]

The bunga bunga party is over...prego

[@ThomasBoyd-lo9si]

Italy doing well excellent politically and economically yes. Brilliant content. Spot on. Dennis Dillon Czech said Austria Vienna in trouble politically he told you truth Thomas.

[@silverdoctor6298]

"Excellent politically" after the police-state-like Ddl Nordio of the last week💀

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@silverdoctor6298 Police state???

[@silverdoctor6298]

@@NoName-hg6cc The approved "Safety Bill" regards many subjects: terrorism; scams; protection of law enforcement; banning cannabis (in any form, as well as hemp-containing products); and other things like imprisonment (2-7 years) for those who illegally occupy a property (without doing anything to solve the root of the problem), increased penalties in case of protest (including passive resistance to orders) in prison, and possible imprisonment (1 month if alone, 6 months-2 years if with more people) for those who implement road or railway blockades (even as a protest). Obviously this law could potentially prevent organized protests and strikes (as the Minister of the Interior admitted), and similarly peaceful resistance in prison risks increasing the sentence by another 5 years. In practice there is the risk that we will no longer be able to protest either peacefully or in the streets, and the strikes themselves could be sabotaged.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@silverdoctor6298 "could potentially" means nothing. Yeah, that law oversee many aspects but you still have to tell me one that shows the authoritarian nature of the government

[@silverdoctor6298]

@@NoName-hg6cc Oh sure, "means nothing", because giving the possibility of preventing strikes and protests (I repeat, the Minister of the Interior himself stated this) is absolutely not dangerous, right?

[@Bob-ew1hx]

“Far Right” 🙄 sure

[@XY-uc1tw]

Well EU money help much while you are building one of the biggest deficit in the world...

[@carmineingaldi47]

the political stability of this legistlation has been achieved achieved because there is a right-wing coalition that has been able to stick together despite huge internal differences and a left-wing coalition impossible to form despite a huge interal common ground kudos for the really brief resume of an insanely complex history such as the Italian politics after WW2