If you're thinking 'gosh, isn't horrible what we used to do to people in the UK', I have some bad news for you...
@SiegfriedDrachentoeterАй бұрын
Whats the news then?
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192Ай бұрын
Yeah, I was thinking this probably still happens, albeit at a much smaller percentage. I’m sure there are people who still fall through the cracks.
@matthew-jy5jpАй бұрын
What do you think we should do ? Do you want this woman living in your house ? Maybe build a hospital just for her ? Because the places that used to take mentally ill people public opinion had closed down for their supposed cruelty. And now those millions of homeless people that have mental illness on the streets or stuck in a present somewhere. You can't have both. And I don't know if you hear people talking about what they want to pay taxes for and what they don't 😂 But you might have a problem getting money out of people. When the state of the government does it you ridicule the state and the government. What better idea do you have ? That's what I thought
@chaos386Ай бұрын
@@matthew-jy5jp "Do you want this woman living in your house ?" Her mum sure did, from the sounds of it.
@lumer2bАй бұрын
@@matthew-jy5jp I don't want you living in my house either, should we lock you up?
@Adeodatus100Ай бұрын
A friend of mine was a vicar whose parish included an old "asylum". At the far end of his graveyard he discovered several unmarked graves which turned out to be the stillborn children of unmarried mothers who had been locked up under the Mental Deficiency Act, some from as recent as the 1960s. There is, at least, a memorial to them now.
@sheehase18 күн бұрын
Hahahahah, lies. Same with the mass graves of Eskimo kids
@synthraofficial536617 күн бұрын
@@sheehase Eskimo is a slur and a simple Google search would tell you that you are incorrect. There are dozens of thousands of those kids dead. There is plenty of video footage, eye witness accounts, DNA evidence photography, and survivor accounts out there that you can educate yourself with. Don't laugh at someone else's tragedy. No one thinks being uneducated is funny. Hold yourself to higher standards than that. Disliking something doesn't make it less true. Denying this is like pretending slavery didn't happen. The Pope himself issued an apology for what they did to those kids at those schools. You can easily find the info about it here in KZbin. Judging by your post history you probably have some sort of religious history with the Catholic Church. You saying the Pope is a liar?
@ariaflame-au17 күн бұрын
@@sheehasehang around graveyards much yourself do you?
@khankrum116 күн бұрын
@@sheehase I should be careful if I were you. The Act is still on the statute books!
@samkadel818516 күн бұрын
@@sheehaseyou think it's a lie based on... What? Because it makes you uncomfortable? Seems like a pretty bad reason to call someone a liar.
@justdarkjazz4020Ай бұрын
"Moral imbecile" is so insane. Like, even for the time.
@windy8544Ай бұрын
much more direct than "sociopath"
@Noahloveless114 күн бұрын
How so?
@xChimkin13 күн бұрын
@@windy8544 less?
@cetologist10 күн бұрын
"Imbecile" used to be a medical term for adults who had no more mental capacity than a young child (specifically, a 5 to 7 year old child). Similarly, "idiot" used to be a medical term for someone with with no more mental capacity than a 4 year old (30 IQ). "Moron" also used to be the term for mild intellectual disability (50 to 70 IQ). These terms all gained offensive connotations in the 20th century and by the 60s were replaced with the R word (which also became predominantly used as an offensive term and replaced with general "disability"; which is likely resistant to the euphemism cycle affecting the others, since it's used for all types of disabilities, not just low mental development). I should note that "IQ" is recognized to be baseless and highly culturally specific, it's not measuring some innate intelligence we have. So take the usage of it with a grain of salt.
@mattmarzula10 күн бұрын
Yes. That's what it means.
@bertbaker7067Ай бұрын
This still happens in some US states. In Virginia it's called civil commitment. People are held indefinitely, and revaluated every 5 years. In Virginia they're held at the Marion Correctional Treatment Center. It was being investigated recently because a bunch of the inmates had hypothermia because the heating system wasn't working in some areas.
@matthew-jy5jpАй бұрын
That's almost completely wrong. The problem is all you people wanted sanitariums and mental asylums closed because of their supposed cruelty. At once you closed those places you put all those mentally ill people on the street. These people are required to take medication every day because they have psychosis. Stop giving your opinion like you know what you're talking about.
@matthew-jy5jpАй бұрын
It's funny how someone like you would complain about no place to put these people at the same time you complain about them being on the street. You can have it both ways mate. It was public opinion that closed these sanitoriums down. Which pushed all those mentally all people onto the street. Good luck finding people on the street to tell them to take their medication. I wanna see some proof about this place in Virginia because I think you're full of 💩
@Aconitum_napellusАй бұрын
Disgusting. In the land of the free no less.
@lsedge7280Ай бұрын
@@Aconitum_napellus The land of the free* *If you meet specific criteria, namely being a wealthy, able-bodied, Ivy League educated, white person
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
substance use disorder is a treatable medical condition that typically arises as a behavioral quirk due to trauma to other illnesses
@RiverMerseyАй бұрын
While this is very well researched and true, it is worth noting that today UK prisons hold people sentenced for "the straw that broke the camel's back" offences that are indefinite. Known as indefinite public protection orders (ipp), many such prisoners go on to develop mental health issues while in custody and those issues become reasons for justifying continuing custody
@molybdomancer195Ай бұрын
Agree. When IPP was introduced it was meant to be used extremely rarely. It has since been repealed but not retroactively.
@lukeonukeАй бұрын
Gonna sound a bit harsh, but if someone just keeps getting locked up the moment you release them multiple times, just dont let them out. Yea the prison system is kinda fucked, but there is a reason it exists.
@palemoonsovereign4142Ай бұрын
@@lukeonuke uh maybe prisons should be places where people are taught to behave, not places to punish people who "deserve it"? like if these people were getting mental illnesses from being in prison then maybe they weren't being treated very humanely just saying
@DavidCruickshankАй бұрын
@@lukeonuke Or maybe the economy, social security and justice/prison systems is so broken that it creates problems where none would have existed before. It's called "Institutional syndrome" individuals in institutions, like prisons, may be deprived (whether unintentionally or not) of independence and of responsibility, to the point that once they return to "outside life" they are often unable to manage many of its demands. So yes "There is a reason it exists", just not a good one.
@ramel684Ай бұрын
@@lukeonuke Not sounding harsh so much as sounding like a Daily Mail reader there...
@g.cotter4256Ай бұрын
I had a great Aunt who was put away most of her adult life for having an ‘inappropriate relationship’ and so institutionalised she could barely function when released to ‘care in the community’. 😢
@kni9ght17 күн бұрын
That sounds horrible, your poor aunt
@mattmarzula10 күн бұрын
Good. Seems to have worked.
@ewg55117 күн бұрын
"inappropriate relationship" Did she groom a kid?
@lavendergooms7958Ай бұрын
I’m so glad you shine a bright light on all aspects of history - flattering, unfortunate, or complicated. The truth has a way of outting. I love your work.
@uikmnhj4me20 күн бұрын
It’s not just history sadly. This wolf still roams under the guise of a different sheep.
@teezzmegee97211 күн бұрын
@juliabuonincontro8617 I couldn't say it better myself
@stuartbadmintonАй бұрын
I had a great aunt that was rarely ever spoken about that was incarcerated as a child for bad behaviour, she was moved from place to place and died in a mental hospital in her 80s. All that I know for sure about her is that as a child she had seizures. There are so many parts of family history like this, especially if your family was poor.
@mattmarzula10 күн бұрын
The idea was to keep them from reproducing and spreading their genetic defects. Like generational poverty.
@nzrulez1Ай бұрын
Before all the diagnoses of autism, adhd, Schizophrenia etc. It's horrifying on how many people were "put away" for the "benefit of society"
@ramel684Ай бұрын
It's still horrorfying how many people are "put away" for the "benefit of society"
@smol-oneАй бұрын
I mean...they could do it just because you were ugly, fam. There's a reason the richies kept their 'undesirables' in the attic or wherever.
@vickisnemeth7474Ай бұрын
Do you mean to imply it's over?
@krusisАй бұрын
It's not really horrible, it was scientific excellence. Now all these crazy people are allowed to reproduce and spread their madness in social media and in laws. Look at the west now...
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
with the current diagnosis of substance use disorder
@angrytedtalksАй бұрын
My great great grandmother was sent to an "asylum" near East Grinstead. In fairness, she had 5 children and her husband died leaving her destitute and had delusional experiences such as hearing people arguing where there wasn't anyone at all. That was 1892. She remained there until 1913 when she died of what was probably a brain tumor. All her kids grew up in service, my great grandfather as a baker's assistant, but became a master baker in his own right. Mental health isn't much better these days, but we don't always recognise mental health as the underlying cause of poor socialisation, unemployability or criminality.
@jonathanwessner3456Ай бұрын
The USA has this too. Insanity pleas are NOT a way to "get away with it" . The doctors get to decide if you are "better". Unless it is life in prison you are facing, being institutionalized can be worse than jail. Imagine being medicated "for your own safety" for the rest of your life.
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
actually no they just lock the people suffering with substance use disorder in prison with the rest of the "criminals" (the more you look into it the more u realize prison in general doesnt work and makes problems much worse), all of societies current problems can fairly regularly be tracked back to the leaders of the nation, you shouldnt need violence or threats to control people, and you will breed hatred and rebelion as a result expecially when they never listened to reason or science or fact, and just chose to try to modify reality itself to fit their brutalized fantasy
@LSOP-Ай бұрын
In Ontario we had a similar law, which was abused by eugenicisits to perform experiments.
@FritzHeiger26 күн бұрын
Could you please share any more info on these experiments? Maybe some research papers?
@ThePrairieChronicles19 күн бұрын
Alberta and Saskatchewan did it, too. Federal gov in canada later voted to give copies of the "research" to a certain party in Germany in the early 1930s, so that German party could "expand" on it.
@konstantinosnikolakakis812517 күн бұрын
@FritzHeiger Just Google the Andrew Mercer Reformatory for women. Women could even be locked up for being in sexual relationships (married or not) with non-white men.
@yaelz604317 күн бұрын
You live in Ontario, you're all eugenicists.
@Maddiedoggie13 күн бұрын
@@ThePrairieChronicles Oh god, Canada was indirectly involved with… fucking yikes…
@lupakajsalisa3652Ай бұрын
These stories are heavy to hear but important to me, because with my neurodivergency and medical history, I know that this is how I could have ended up if I'd been living in other times
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
this is current legal practice, and the real everyday life for all of the millions of people with substance use disorder
@lupakajsalisa3652Ай бұрын
@@AnthemUnanthemed What do you mean, they take people, even if they are underage, and they put them on like a working farm which they can't escape, without consent?
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
@@lupakajsalisa3652 literally the current prison system in the united states and a number of other countries still do it too, the 13th amendment in the constitution allows for the enslavement "as punishment for a crime", and has deemed medical conditions illegal, and can and does prosecute some children as adults for things like drugs in some states.
@sheilajstormsАй бұрын
We still do this in the US, though some parts of the country are worse than others. In the 70s, when the mental institutions started releasing large numbers of people who were not a danger to themselves or society, my great grandmother turned her home into a boarding house for several of these women. Their life stories were heartbreaking. Not everyone had families who were interested in ever getting them out or seeing them again. 💔
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
Substance use disorder is a diagnose-able medical condition that the law has decided people need to go to jail for
@pcbassoon389228 күн бұрын
I used to live in Columbia, SC and they shut down the state mental hospital and just turned people out into the street and a lot of those people still live on the street within a few miles of where the hospital was. It's pitiful, there is no where for them to go.
@Abi-kk4nl19 күн бұрын
Your great grandmother sounds like she was lovely woman
@ntal585919 күн бұрын
Why is it the family responsibility for fuck ups of others ?
@mister-zen849119 күн бұрын
@@ntal5859 Realistically, it's not. At the end of the day, the self will always want to live first.
@josephkarl2061Ай бұрын
Having had friends having their sons or daughters incarcerated in a similar type of institution in New Zealand in the 1980s, I can easily assure you the cure is worse than the cause 😖
@camelopardalis84Ай бұрын
There must be so many people who were put away for being suicidal who became more suicidal because they were put away. But hey, some people were prevented from committing suicide that way, and that's all that matters, right? They can be as miserable as humanly possible as long as they stay alive.
@user-zu5do6ri6r21 күн бұрын
Dead people don't create money for the system.
@vulturewaterbug19 күн бұрын
Live miserably for as long as humanly possible? Are you the devil himself?!? GTFO
@sheehase18 күн бұрын
And society was better back then. Grow up, dem lib progress Fauci lover
@the_expidition42710 күн бұрын
Am I right!
@_MentatАй бұрын
Tony Blair introduced "weekend prison" so convicts could keep an outside life including job. It was quietly cancelled without explanation. I happen to know why. The prisoners would meet up at the pub nearest the prison at midday Friday; drink themselves stupid; report to the prison at 6pm; since they near catatonic none of the normal in-processing and security checks could take place. They were put straight to bed and slept their way through Saturday. Sunday morning they were given breakfast and released.
@Nerthos17 күн бұрын
All arguments in favour of convicts fall apart once you interact with convicts.
@seanagladwin9803Ай бұрын
I used to volunteer at a care home in the 90s, for elderly people with learning difficulties. The director told me that many of them had been institutionalised as young people, for things such as having sex out of wedlock, and would have been quite capable of living normal lives, except that they were now unable to do so because of spending their whole lives in institutions. At least we were able to give them some comfort and dignity in their old age.
@namastezen3300Ай бұрын
As a tbi person negotiating the tight rope walk of social interaction, I appreciate your shining some light on the insensitivity of society.
@mister-zen849119 күн бұрын
Sensitivity, unfortunately, is easily manipulated and exploited. Behind every great light, there is a great shadow.
@EyeLean528020 күн бұрын
PSA: This still happens in the USA. People convicted of lesser crimes try to get "easier time" by getting the court to send them to a mental facility instead and then find out it's indefinite. Anything they do can potentially keep them there longer: showing that you're improved by taking on responsibilities? Clearly, this place is helping and you need some more time to complete your recovery. Stop doing chores? Clearly, you're depressed and you need some more time to improve. NO I am not kidding. Not a little bit of it. Really, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" ought to be required reading/viewing in schools.
@SenaFoxGirl8 күн бұрын
This happened to me, I was held for 11 years over this inhumane loophole
@meganrogers35716 күн бұрын
I'm an American and I read OFOTCN as required reading in high school (although this was the early '00s so who knows now), but I don't think we ever talked about how it still happens. The book seems like something that happened in the past.
@CobwebCottageАй бұрын
Hello J.D.... haven't seen you for a while - at least, not in my 'subscriptions' feed, - so it was a moment of joy when I clicked to listen. Not sure where you've been but so glad to see you back and hope you're in good health! Keep you're light shining bright! ~ Cobs (UK) x
@Jill-KАй бұрын
Ireland called them Magdelene Laundries and you didn't even need to go in front of a judge!
@patrickday420619 күн бұрын
One of my favorite songs is factory girls flogging Molly
@Antipaxos_Nadja123Ай бұрын
Ableism, sexism and classism, yay!
@RuthBhmandАй бұрын
Yay indeed Silent crying for the past people.
@latch9781Ай бұрын
The Holy Trinity of Victorian Britain
@Antipaxos_Nadja123Ай бұрын
@@latch9781 and also modern Britain sadly
@PCDelorianАй бұрын
@@Antipaxos_Nadja123 It is improving though and whilst important that we keep fighting to improve it, we mustn't lose sight of just how far we've come.
@Antipaxos_Nadja123Ай бұрын
@@PCDelorian facts
@MsAnpassadАй бұрын
I'm well aware of that if I had been born 50 years earlier, I would have spent my life locked up like my grandmothers sister. I'm autistic and so were probably she too. Unfortunatly, society still hates us and wants us to adapt, something that shortens our lifespans with around 10 years. So it's not yet time for society to patt it's back. It needs to become inclusive, not trying to force us squares through round holes.
@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765Ай бұрын
Its more like lifespan shortened by 25-30 years, not 10.
@MsAnpassadАй бұрын
@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 Not correct. We have a shorter lifespan due to a lot of reasons, like drowning and suicide, when you add them up, it's more like the number you gave, but I was only refering to this one thing.
@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765Ай бұрын
Which begs the question, what drives people to die by suicide? Or die of complications of neglected medical conditions, or from heart attack or stroke arising from the actual #1 cause of death for autistics, ie hypertension, as a result of substance abuse, partner or carer violence, etc etc. All those are deaths arising from marginalisation, isolation, exclusion, and discrimination. You cant marginalise or exclude yourself. It gets done to you, and from a societal perspective, its systemic from state and institutional level down to interpersonal relations. On that basis the 25-30 year shorter life expectancy is very much a "done to us by others" thing as the actual impact of life-limiting conditions barely shifts above the sicietal average - theres nothing inherent in being autistic that leads to liwer life expectancy. Tho arguing even part of that has been quite a battle ongoing for decades now.
@LSOP-Ай бұрын
This is such an important perspective to have. So few people realize that when us millennial's grandparents lectured us about behavior or dress they probably knew people who were incarcerated for those reasons. Has family or friends who went away indefinitely for reasons as simple as being a drunk woman out after 9pm.
@banksiasongАй бұрын
Gosh that is so sad as her behaviour can be the result of terrible trauma. Glad her sister got her out of there, because people can deteriorate severely.
@pendlera2959Ай бұрын
If you want to learn about the American version of this, look up Mad in America.
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
I have no clue what that is but the "historical" american version is the present day surrounding substance use disorder
@mirzaahmed658921 күн бұрын
@@AnthemUnanthemed no idea what you're trying to say.
@AnthemUnanthemed21 күн бұрын
@@mirzaahmed6589 locking people in cages because of a well researched and treatable condition called substance use disorder is the modern version of government eugenics/political imprisonment against people they dont like, which tends to be people who are suffering as a result of the system that created the laws
@KitagumaIgenАй бұрын
Before the end I was bracing so hard that 3 years came as a relief - not as long as I had feared. In my home country we had a policy of forced sterilization for similar cases far to close to now for comfort. "back in the good old days"...
@RowieSundogАй бұрын
Has this at least been repealed?
@JDraperАй бұрын
It was overwritten by the Mental Health Act, but they were still finding people locked up under it in the 1990s.
@happyelephant5384Ай бұрын
@@JDraper so it was basically life in prison?
@molybdomancer195Ай бұрын
There is a new group of people incarcerated indefinitely under new repealed legislation because they were given “indeterminate sentences”. Though repealed it wasn’t retroactive so there are still nearly 9,000 people who have no idea when if ever they will be released
@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765Ай бұрын
All thats happened is the criteria have narrowed and thr categories divided between 'criminal' and 'mental health' to make it feel more acceptable to wider society. The practice continues.
@BrasswatchmanАй бұрын
@@JDraper Wow. Fascinating, thank you.
@genghisdingus11 күн бұрын
Reminds me of this one court case where 2 acomplices who basically did the same crime got massively different sentences. The one that felt extreme remorse to the point of wanting to commit self game over got basically double the prison sentence as the one who was less upset.
@InnawoodsAnon19 күн бұрын
Sounds like a better system than we have now.
@ReezeGoingSenselessАй бұрын
Good to see this kind of content, important lessons to be had.Especially as civil rights are seemingly going backwards under the guise of "terrorism" and such.Seems stories like these could teach a thing or two about giving governments power (and allowing them to impose their own morals).
@smol-oneАй бұрын
Hmm. Sure, sure there are things that are going the wrong way. Absolutely. But, at least in the US, it's less that the government has the power and way more the kind of people that are in the government. We have quite the Christian Nationalist problem at the mo.
@PortsladeBySea29 күн бұрын
Do the vast majority of politicians have morals? Many can easily be motivated by one lobbying group, or an other. The Chosen People believe that virtually everybody is corruptible, its just a question about how much money they want 😢🇺🇸🗳️💵
@courteouscarpenter7811Ай бұрын
Fascinating thank you. Hi from the east coast of Canada and I hope you're doing great.
@frocktopus9429Ай бұрын
Thankyou for taking about this! It also still happens today on the uk, tw assault, weaponised psychiatry, ableism....I've been narrowly avoiding it for the crime of... Reporting an assault by nurses which has left me bedridden. I've been having physical healthcare stripped away ever since (I'm having to go private which I'm so lucky i can afford noe after 2 years of this, and my g.p sypports me and os fighting it too, others aren't so lucky), and when i try and chase up the complaint/when ive tried to involve social worker or police, i just get threatened with sending to the psych ward and "wellness checks" from the police. There's also many many autistic people held indefinitely on psych wards at the moment. 💜
@BoMwarriorVlog20 күн бұрын
Yet another good example for smaller government. 🙄
@grey3247Ай бұрын
I do acknowledge that it's something horrible but there is some twisted comedy in there being a thing of "You're annoying, off to the shadow realm with you" Like if Twitter people could dole out life sentences for being someone they don't like
@AnthemUnanthemedАй бұрын
if u ever felt a bit of panic as a cop walked by bc u just lit up a joint, u actually have the empathy it takes to understand the everyday life of people trapped in these times, especially because people suffering with substance use disorder are routinely ostracized and demonized to suicide, and people love to blame drug use, but the only reason why it is a problem as big as it is now is due to the continued use of it to attack minorities and other people with these dumbass "moral failings" If you really want to tell a good joke, the state of the world and how it hasent changed, its just started using drugs as a reason so it could do all the same things, and for some reason people think we are in a more "advanced time" thats kinda where the true comedic horror of the situation comes from
@johnwanke3863Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. The laws prohibiting this are relatively new and are still inadequate. Involuntary incarceration due to mental illness is still ruining lives today.
@1337fraggzb00N20 күн бұрын
Chicks, huh?
@xymaryai828314 күн бұрын
modern day eugenics folks. it never went away, just got ignored.
@somethingsock670711 күн бұрын
being prisoned or institutionalized is literally my worst fear
@MatrixEvolution17Ай бұрын
I'm also a moral imbecile
@seanmccann8368Ай бұрын
Not many are brave enough to admit they are a politician, I applaud your courage,
@56caddАй бұрын
I believe all .
@seanmccann8368Ай бұрын
Ah yes, the caring society.
@katiefountain240716 күн бұрын
In 55 or 56 my mother's mother was put into a mental facility for postpartum depression. They gave her shock treatment. Which basically rendered her unable to care for herself. She ended up dying in that facility years later.
@alexia355214 күн бұрын
Being from the US, its not uncommon to arrest someone on a drug charge, false accusation, or minor crime and just leave them in prison for 10-20 years. Also, look up the statistics on people who haven’t even been found guilty in court being left to rot in jails.
@loveleyday20 күн бұрын
0:55 "She does not belong to you council people" - that's where you're wrong. Every "Social Security" Act (in the UK's case it's a National Insurance Number) legally dictates that you are now a subject of the State and the State can do what they want with you. If she had had not N.I. number, they wouldn't have been able to lock her up.
@rrmackay20 күн бұрын
This story is a warning about giving to much power to government but modern day Britain doesn't really need an example, all they need do is look out their window.
@backwashjoe7864Ай бұрын
So great to see a fresh video from you J Draper! Excellent as always, no matter how bad the topic makes my stomach feel. :)
@VaniljeAlfenАй бұрын
Same thing took place i Denmark. The small islands of Sprogø and Livø are known for housing morally deficient women and men respectively
@metarukarakuri78319 күн бұрын
In California we have a very progressive open air asylum called San Francisco
@lhurst955012 күн бұрын
Exactly. You have one or the other it seems.
@FatBratz-yh3zuАй бұрын
!! I remember learning about the American case Buck v Bell that built off of this rise in institutions for disabled people and "social deviants" it's striking to me how that case is barely 100 years old AND still standing caselaw, but barely anyone I know talks about it
@MrUKcynicАй бұрын
I like the book recommendation at the end
@oniemployee343716 күн бұрын
Guess she shouldnt've stolen that jacket, eh?
@Scott_Burton24 күн бұрын
Very disturbing, but for less reason, this still happens today in a number of parts of the world. I used to believe this didn't still happen in "civilized" societies. But the last few years have proven, you say the wrong thing, or show up in the wrong place, evem you can be detained for years without even coming before a court. "No, you've been detained for _something, we don't have to tell you what_ and you won't be released until the court addresses _what youve been detained for_ and well, you will have a court date _sometime_ in the future."
@TheRazorTongue21 күн бұрын
That’s nightmare fuel. It is one of the most glaring deficiencies in mental health.
@goodfortunetoyou17 күн бұрын
Have you ever thought that normal people just aren't particularly moral?
@ahabsbane19 күн бұрын
I'm thoroughly convinced we need to bring back these facilities.
@SuperGreenSmartie15 күн бұрын
0:42 Can you imagine being told by the courts that your loved one was getting locked up indefinitely for being annoying?
@ashchaya767613 күн бұрын
I've always felt that real-life mental institutions beat any horror movie hands down. Even as a kid, the scariest thing to me was always a person doing evil who thinks they are doing good.
@Abdul-Akeem_Akinloye28 күн бұрын
What a wonderful use of the British public's money.
@BPmmxFX20 күн бұрын
No matter how harsh it sounds to us today, but "imbecil", "debil", "idiot" were formal categories of mental capacity of a person back in the days...
@roberttelarket493427 күн бұрын
You are going to be locked up J. Draper for no reason at all!
@robertwilson7532Ай бұрын
Hi and always thanks, JD. Shining light on history good, bad, and all in between. Always appreciating you excellent oratory of such illuminations. Poor girl, Jessie; one of many many, subject to unjust, ignorant antiquated authority. It's wonderful that those calamities are all things of the long past. I wish 😢
@princecharonАй бұрын
Nowadays, it sounds like kids that would have been in the 'moral imbecile' category back then get called ASBOs. The government don't seem to actually help them, but at least they aren't locked up indefinitely.
@greebo654922 күн бұрын
Also explains, why anyone caught entering say Buckingham palace and the like are also charged under the mental health act…
@Elitist20Ай бұрын
Based on a real case, the 1974 Australian film '27A' depicts an alcoholic who finds himself permanently in detention under section 27A of Queensland's Mental Health Act.
@user-id5er4hz8d28 күн бұрын
Oh we are not better nowadays - we are just more subtle.
@sststrАй бұрын
On the one hand, there is a real need for asylums to address people with genuine problems. On the other hand, the abuses of the asylums (both who was admitted for what reasons, and what happened to this people inside the asylums) was so horrific that I understand completely why the asylum system was shut down. But we still have the problem of people with genuine problems who need some sort of institutionalization, and they mostly won't institutionalize themselves. Now how to find the proper balance to ensure such a system doesn't degenerate into rampant abuse? I have no idea.
@DisgruntledPeasantАй бұрын
Institutions still exist for the extremes, I've worked in them. They're just have significantly more regulation, you have to record absolutely every interaction and justify every denial of liberty. They are far from perfect, they're typically underfunded meaning they hire basically anyone who wants the job at minimum wage, so you get a lot of a-holes who don't understand shit about mental health. But it's better than it was, and we should celebrate the small victories even if we have a long way to go.
@williamcroslow22 күн бұрын
Ahhh the good ole days...
@denisemurphy391525 күн бұрын
How badly our fore-sisters suffered. Jessie H. might today be suspected of having experienced trauma. Thank you for the recommendation of Sarah Wise's book, her earlier one "The Blackest Streets" was excellent.
@secondchance660319 күн бұрын
'fore-sisters' lol
@argentorangeok622416 күн бұрын
Now all you have to do is tell a spicy joke.
@Peter-oh3hcАй бұрын
Yikes! What a story. So many emotions in such a short amount of time
@Devilot10910 күн бұрын
She didn’t belong to her mother either. Children are people. With rights. Even now, the law does not always agree, however.
@chesswack26 күн бұрын
Separate from the point being made: I don't know why but I got massive Hank OR John Greene vibes from this, good on you. On point, this is a major issue. The way mental health facilities function as indefinite prisons, often with harsher treatment and fewer protections, is a shameful existence for places claiming to be healthcare facilities.
@gypsydildopunks7083Ай бұрын
Always enjoy your company. Thanks again, British Lady
@ryanphillips421813 күн бұрын
The soviets used to do that to dissidents they didn't want going to the gulag. Individuals they didn't want ever getting out or to politically dangerous.
@JohnH-mo5mb18 күн бұрын
“The undesirables“ sounds a lot like “people with inacceptable views” according to Trudeau, or “the deplorable“ according to Hillary Clinton.
@uncertaintytoworldpeace365018 күн бұрын
Can confirm. They hate US.
@marlow76913 күн бұрын
This is a remnant of an era, not long past where the subjects of the crown don’t actually have rights, but instead mere suggestions that can be removed by the “authorities“ at their will. It can be argued that the status of true rights has not yet been established in the UK nor all of the monarchy’s former holdings.
@holeephuc00715 күн бұрын
Moral Imbeciles perfectly describes the political class.
@YazminM2222Ай бұрын
Mental health issue: she just cut her hair ✂️
@DankaDoctor1857 күн бұрын
Can't most countries hold you in jail practically till you die whilst you 'await a trial'
@Fl4ppersАй бұрын
Sadly there are still people in prison today who've got no release date. IPPs. One guy has done about 15 years for nicking a bike.
@SystemParanoia15 күн бұрын
Sings the single mom song 🎶🎶
@colewood3297Ай бұрын
Honestly surprised it was only 3 years
@denisnevesdefreitas562413 күн бұрын
Brazil has a similar thing, but for adults. If you commit a crime and the court deams you unaware of what you were doing, mentally, you will not go to jail. You will be locked up for treatment, for your safety and everyone else's safety. Once a year you will be evaluated by a medical team. If they consider you a danger to yourself and society, you get another year of treatment. They don't need to let you go. They can keep you forever in there.
@MavHunter20XX19 күн бұрын
Sounds like things we need to do in the USA we got a lot of Moral Imbeciles in politics.
@arneliashort464710 күн бұрын
When you considered what happened under British colonial rule ALL over the world, this isn’t surprising at all. In fact, it’s almost negligible in the face of all other atrocities
@Mike-sv2nu17 күн бұрын
The real horror is that nothing has changed.
@nunyabiz588015 күн бұрын
....til 1975, after One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
@shaneg9081Ай бұрын
Is this why some of my fellow Americans think we're the freest country?
@DisgruntledPeasantАй бұрын
America had its own version of this.
@jamesthepatriot621325 күн бұрын
That's laughable. Our justice system locks people up on bogus charges if they stand a good chance to win the presidency and they don't like the person. Meanwhile, hundreds if not thousands of others are getting away with actual child violating. Not ONE person on Epstein's list has been charged, but they sure were scared of that election taking place..
@ryancasey976311 күн бұрын
In ireland there is somtbing similar with mental health. Even now if you are judged to be mentally ill you would be put into a mental health facility for a unknown time. It's so well known people who are mentally unwell try to go to normal prison as it wouldn't be as long
@enigmaodell680614 күн бұрын
Oh yeah, I remember a GK Chesterton piece about that. Was it in ‘eugenics and other evils’ I think?
@loganpierce924417 күн бұрын
That category encompasses most politicians and world leaders
@larrygilbert727321 күн бұрын
I never again want to hear Brits complaining about some of the crap we Yanks have pulled. Not saying this person has, but it has happened from others.
@davihorta5807Ай бұрын
I'm something of a moral imbecile myself
@vangu2918Ай бұрын
I think most societies had/have such rules and places. It's a human shame, and I hope it ends.
@jamesthepatriot621325 күн бұрын
There are plenty of tribes who would just kill you or put you into exile to die alone for being different, so this is more a failing of humanity than just Victorian England. There are places today where women have even less rights than they had in Victorian England.
@aramisy.cajigas74418 күн бұрын
This was actually wise.
@treefarm328821 күн бұрын
In Australia many people, especially youths, are killed by police, even in their own homes, because of strange or threatening behaviour.
@ThatGuy-rf8de7 күн бұрын
I misread the title as how the government can lock you up for infidelity.
@seanu684019 күн бұрын
We need to bring it back
@davidlawson428120 күн бұрын
Sounds like THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATOO.
@nelly595427 күн бұрын
This is a J. Draper plaid dress appreciation comment
@markfox635617 күн бұрын
Sure could use some of thesr places today, especially in the states.