How the Melee Marios Work (and how Project M Fused them)

#supersmashbros #mario #guide
After a long hiatus, I bring you the result of my a year of playing the Marios in Melee for most of a year! Here's to the potential of the Marios in Melee, and why he will continue to be good in P+. Please support this video if you enjoy content like this!
Special thanks to ‪@turndownforwalt‬ for the cameo!
EDIT: PM and Melee Mario up b actually have the same leniency, just a slightly different timing.
Mario jabs have the same frame data, but you can cancel Mario's jabs into one another quicker.
Introduction: (00:00)
Doctor Mario vs Mario: (00:40)
Melee Neutral: (03:12)
Melee Punish: (05:47)
Melee Offstage: (08:20)
Project M Neutral: (10:55)
Project M Punish: (13:15)
Project M Offstage: (14:13)
Conclusion: (16:11)
Sources:
Sozin__
VGBootcamp
Ludwig Ahgren
Melee Mario Discord
Doctor Mario Discord
Third Chair
heartswaptv
GameUnderGroundStore
NorCalPM
Edited by Z: / zactrone
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[@turndownforwalt]

Lemme get a Mario 🪠 in the chat one time for the one time

[@arJunebugSmash]

he do be plumbing

[@Pslamist]

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[@screwyelk]

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[@miguelsi7543]

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[@tetros5265]

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[@Pslamist]

Thanks for taking the plunge into these characters so we can really feel a pulse on how they work.

[@braxinIV]

He really plumbed the depths on this one.

[@MishKoz]

My favorite random little tidbit that I learned about Melee Doctor Mario is that his black alt makes him extremely hard to see on Battlefield, when played on an old TV with bad contrast.

[@arJunebugSmash]

this technique isn't banned in tournaments yet, but you will be known as "that guy" if you play the dark alt

[@maelstrom218]

My dream is to one day have Mario be legitimately competitive in Melee. He's such a *fun* character to play and his movement feels so good, but the lack of range and lack of kill confirms makes him miserable in a competitive setting.

[@UntarLaManteca]

He was quite viable in like 2002-05

[@GeriatricSmash]

Always baffled by these comments. If you're not a top 500 player and don't plan to be, you can compete just fine with Mario, even without L cancels or power slides. Gold Marios beat silver Marths all day long.

[@t3cchan]

As someone who has 0 experience with PM, I love these videos. It's awesome seeing the progression from Melee to PM, and what aspects were kept, tweaked, or changed.

[@RiahGreen]

Do yourself a favor and get experience!

[@VictimHazard]

new players might genuinely consider picking up both Doc/Mario in melee just because you made the accessibility of understanding them a whole lot easier. The way you present information is so easily digestibleーthis is a great vid, June!

[@GetOffMyLog]

JUST WHEN WE NEEDED HIM MOST, HE RETURNED. Thanks for the video, I love doc and therefore pm Mario! Can we get pika or Samus next? Pretty please 🥺

[@arJunebugSmash]

my next character will be DK! check my twitter for more updates lol

[@GetOffMyLog]

@@arJunebugSmash awesome will do!!

[@42Yarik]

@@arJunebugSmash Hype, Donkey Kong Decemb...oh wait no.

[@ThatWolfArrow]

"Nintendo hates doctors" shouldn't be as funny as it is.

[@quentebarchiveeoutrascoisa8036]

as a doc main this is the best doc guide I ever seen, thanks june, hope to see your doc again at some point.

[@The_SOB_II]

Mario has a decent out of shield up smash with up smash out of shield, which received a buff 12:23 ☺️☺️☺️

[@arJunebugSmash]

LMAOOOO sometime my brain doesn't work

[@ZachHonest]

It's always a treat when you upload, junebug 🙏👍

[@arJunebugSmash]

hehe i like to keep the fans on their toes

[@girlfieri99]

the dragonball up b cancels were more than worth commenting for, amazing vid

[@johnleecooper8520]

hell yeah! This seems like a good comment section to plug the P+ mario combo videos that are on my channel, if any of you wanna see some uh.... less conventional mario combos ;)

[@theespicypotato]

Vouch Mario

[@arJunebugSmash]

ill allow it!

[@SSB_Seal]

Hell yeah, I've been looking forward to this video ever since your Double Down run! Mario was my main in Melee before I started competing so I've still got a soft spot for him (hence the profile picture), and PM Mario stayed my main ever since I first played that game. I really enjoyed listening to your breakdown, as well as Walt's masterful insight.

[@arJunebugSmash]

i was waiting for the seal comment

[@tree8761]

You hands down have the best content for explaining characters. Please keep them coming man. This helped my doc and Mario play so much better with the understanding of them.

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

I didn't know Chris Pratt was a doctor. Guy's got it going on!

[@JbrockPony]

Damn, yet another video that makes me go down an character rabbit hole just cuz of the mood calls for it. Sick clips and great breakdown with the buildup to match!

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thanks man!!

[@guvutguv9347]

I think it would be interesting to compare how PM Mario and SSB4/Ult Mario changed from their Melee/Brawl counterparts and how they turned a middling character into a solid high tier.

[@kingjacko302]

Always a good day when Junebug uploads! Hoping for some more DK content soon

[@arJunebugSmash]

oh you know it

[@Knuxsega]

Junebug's PM Mario tutorial w/ Gallo is what help met get into the EUPM scene back in ~2016. Even 7 years later his content broadens my knowledge, helping me enjoy the game even more. Thanks for your awesome videos

[@arJunebugSmash]

DAWWW this warms my heart I'm glad my content has helped you so much! Hope to keep doing it!

[@arc1279]

I played Mario in melee for years before switching off of him, this video really makes me want to try P+

[@Gixel_]

I wish they never decided to make doctor Mario slower in smash 4. The current games feel like they lack a solid character to learn the game with now that Mario is all rushdown and other beginner characters like Kirby also being bottom of the barrel. A Doctor Mario with ultimate marios movement speed but with a higher focus on defensive walling, zoning, and edgeguarding to take stocks, would be very fun and a great character to suggest to new players.

[@vvlaze]

Always lovely to see you upload, especially when it’s one of these! I’ve never been any good with him but I’m a big fan of the Marios in Melee, there’s something about them I can’t help but love.

[@photoshoprequiem5954]

YES THIS IS LITERALLY MY FAV VIDEO ESSAY SERIES FROM YOU THX❤❤❤

[@arJunebugSmash]

NO PROBLEM

[@Shadrake]

Another great video as always! Always love to see the great PM content! Shoutouts to Erg, the coolest PM Mario.

[@Gooooms]

Super cool to hear this from someone who truly knows what they are talking about and have the experience to back it up.

[@ssbmbrock]

last frame doc nair is now called "the gerald"

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

I like how Alabama PR has a cameo at around 2:30

[@RiahGreen]

Thanks for taking the time to make quality videos!

[@kie_rigby1351]

Great content. Thanks for putting this together.

[@oomer2]

Really wish you would make these vids more, your rants are easily the best in depth smash/play fighter content we got on the platform, especially for PM

[@wusstunes]

Great work! Idk if anyone can break down a character with the finesse and approachability you do. Please top 16 a major with donkey Kong.🙏

[@arJunebugSmash]

Oh imma try LOL

[@irongiant5951]

I thought I was already subbed, thanks for another great vid to remind me! Love u junebug, keep well out there

[@TheLegendaryyoshi]

I'm always happy to have a junebug video in my feed. Great job on this one.

[@JustArten]

I caught what you did at 4:48. Very nice. 8:05 And please just call it Marthritis for everybody. It's just the best one.

[@arJunebugSmash]

THANK YOU LOL NEVER

[@JustArten]

@@arJunebugSmash Which one perfectly rhymes with 'arthritis'? Which one was the original? I trust that you can see reason, my good man.

[@cooperdunn3808]

I’m glad doc lee made it in the video mangoBB

[@Zevarus]

Sick video. And welcome back!

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Doc should have been an alt in Smash. He was going to be an alt in Smash 4, but ended up being his own separate character again. The Builder and Wedding alts just make Dr. Mario being his own character make even less sense.

[@beauhendershot7911]

Im so hyped for the dk episode💯💯💯

[@EL1T3xFaTe]

Man I remember watching you play while project m tournaments were still consistently streamed. Great vid

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thanks man, yeah those were grand ol times

[@Alex-xk5xt]

great video! :)

[@orb9475]

very good input from Walter TurnDown A+

[@sadieroms]

The long awaited mario video 👀

[@froakie1404]

absolutely love mario in melee, bro is so much fun to move around with and convo with but getting a kill is actual misery lmao glad pm fixed that by making his fair an actual nuke lmao

[@jyan_industries]

finally, somebody references gerald. Thank you junebug for actually going in depth about these characters

[@whendiditfall]

Thumbnail game on point.

[@bibbyboxx2219]

Didn’t know PM Mario was so cool Great video

[@SeniorZileppe]

Very good video!

[@vengefulfork7169]

That Mario party 4 music in the intro was chills.

[@ThingsareLikeable]

thanks for the video! been trying to improve at melee and i love playing doc, but it really feels like i cant do much sometimes lol

[@autumndth]

The perfect video thank u

[@nomiswanson]

As the most casual doc main I appreciate you giving away my secrets

[@luigit0ilet]

love the content

[@tonydigital808]

I LOVED PM Mario! There was a time where all my friends were playing PM in anticipation for smash 4 and Mario and Ivysaur were my mains. PM just felt right, I really wish it stuck around longer but nobody I know plays anymore.

[@TR-yx2qf]

Super good video 👍

[@yonatanharris1539]

The goat is back

[@FlameIsLucky]

Really well made video

[@arJunebugSmash]

Thank you!

[@corvax8644]

I still think pm’s builder Mario alt should throw hammers instead of fireballs🔨

[@lankyjuggler]

I've never been able to tell if the doc Nair line was a joke because everyone's heard too many times or because someone prominent said it and it was wrong. It's been years.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Gerald's nair does actually get stronger the longer that it's out

[@lankyjuggler]

@@arJunebugSmash have you tested llod's flying kicks for this property

[@sdw-hv5ko]

I recently was thinking "man it would be great to play regular Mario but with Doc's projectile and kill confirms." Guess I gotta play PM!

[@GustoFormula]

14:46 note to editor's note: if you start it while touching the wall in melee it really shouldn't be that hard. was way easier than I expected when I tried it a few weeks ago

[@tenslein8977]

Mario’s triple jab is faster than Doc’s, I’m pretty sure.

[@arJunebugSmash]

Oh yeah you're right! A full 3 frames! I was looking at the moves individually but the hits link faster for Mario

[@Eon_TAS]

Just to say, melee upb walljump is much more lenient than PMs and I'm tired of people thinking otherwise. Both are relatively big windows but melees when used when you could do it in PM is twice the input frames. PM is always frames 17-20. Melees is variable, but same start positions gives frames 23-29 as the window. Worst case melee in cases where it's literally not possible in PM is a 2 frame window.

[@MaxJacks]

So good

[@cdntl]

Would be sick if you could do a video covering the new brawlback news especially considering how big of a figure you are in the PM scene :)

[@scrunk845]

ITS DOC O CLOCK BABY

[@danielwestra6409]

BABE WAKE UP NEW JUNEBUG

[@plabcentral630]

Lol hate to see puff at the bottom of the tier list. Good vid and remember “wahoo” and “yippee” etc

[@m4yr4i]

As not a p+ player, these videos are pretty interesting, good job!

[@blocky333]

this shit made me wanna queue up some mario and save PM

[@Astar72439]

This man cooked at a tournament with doc just for a YT vid lmao lesgo

[@ImJohnBeasley]

Junebug supremacy!!! Junebug everywhere always!!

[@LiquidSquidd]

love it

[@cdntl]

Cool video thanks junebug you beat me up one time in a netplay tourney

[@breadbaskets2772]

Shout outs to Doc Lee

[@pose9616]

new vid. les go.

[@ashi8915]

Hes back

[@VentusOfficiall]

LFG!

[@seebs_keeps_talking]

he said the thing he said it gets stronger the longer its out he said the meme

[@trashman1791]

Hey did you guys know Dr mario's nair in melee actually get stronger as its out? jokes aside great video as always june

[@Tuckzelda]

Greattttt vid

[@cincinnatus86]

Lol “None of these are true… Here’s how all of these things are mostly true” Great video though

[@puunk_9240]

Kevin the Mario main

[@darkdoctor1915]

Mario is piccolo and Doc is Nail if you get the reference

[@papanojohns7456]

Plz consider doing young link/toon link next, I remember watching axe yl at Press Start 2015 and it inspired me to pick up tink in PM. Plus yl is picking up relevance with Rocket making top 100

[@VisaCardholder]

The more I play Melee, the better I get, the more I enjoy Mario.

[@James-ek3mb]

Thanks Junebug :D

[@Eval999]

Junebug vid? I drop my life to watch.

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of How the Melee Marios Work (and how Project M Fused them) momentum 100

[@elite_drift947]

13:31 Mario didn’t chain grab Diddy Kong, that was Gallo who chain grabbed Diddy Hehehehehehehehehe

[@elite_drift947]

15:40 and 15:42 HELL YEAH FS GALLO AND HSTV THE DOCTOR

[@ThePharphis]

So what character are you going to investigate next... especially since we have Ranked now?

[@arJunebugSmash]

Check my Twitter for updates :)

[@lemmytv3538]

are you planning on making more of the good players series i would love to see one on ibdw (or anyone for that matter)

[@arJunebugSmash]

i wanna do at least one more! stay tuned

[@fancey3870]

You missed one crucial element of doc/mario in melee you'll always get matched up against one as your first or last game of the day on slippi unranked making them twice as annoying to deal with :p

[@jeffpalaganas7404]

Ryu SFv season 1 had a grab vortex.

[@T.T_CenrryTH]

Ahh... The plumbers... El ñoqui y el ÑOQUI

[@henryst5]

Great vid. Today I learned Nintendo hates doctors

[@zjmullan]

bro you somehow make me feel like I'm watching WatchMojo if it was interesting

[@arJunebugSmash]

Lol that is an awesome compliment, ty

[@souppdog1916]

Watching this in line at savemart

[@Evixyn]

"The Fist"

[@estebanembroglio6371]

O.O bro i got questions about this Gerald