How the Model Minority Myth Helped End Affirmative Action | VICE on Twitch

Ellen Wu, author of The Color of Success, discusses the latest Supreme Court decision that has effectively eliminated the use of affirmative action in college admissions. In a live interview on Twitch, Wu explains how the persistence of the 'model minority' myth has minimized the role racism plays in the persistent struggles of non-Asian minority groups - especially black Americans, and how it was the primary tool in dismantling affirmative action.
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[@laurinyoung5771]

Personally, I’m glad it ended. When these schools continue to fill with legacy kids and donors, instead of high scoring students, Affirmative Action will no longer be the scapegoat.

[@wjluckett5026]

Exactly! A hard head truly does make a soft ass..... doesn't it!!!

[@cinnamonstar808]

WOW it end up happening. Fall 2023: they group that wanted it end because they assumed Black students were taking up the seats. JUST FOUND OUT the 1% looks after itself 1st. .... those groups are over on tiktok complaining now. I..🤬I cant believe this! its worst off" Acceptance letters were granted to legacy students and black students: LOL Going after legacy admission ...was the worst move. Big money went for revenged

[@8dholland]

Not bad....yeah didn't think of it that way.

[@TheWorshipful2008]

"Pragmatic" may sound reasonable, but ultimately it doesn't matter because the plan for 2024 is to oppose anything that is associated with Black and Brown people. Unfortunately, Black people are just the beginning. With a potential Republican President and Congressional supermajority, the 6/3 Supreme Court could dismantle Social Security, Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, and Public Education.

[@QuangNguyen-it3ub]

It's funny that some people think this is a loss for asians, we know it will be an up hill battle, to accept this stuff is slave mentality.

[@rosshoyt2030]

Supreme court should accept a case regarding legacy admissions if they want to make admissions truly fair, and ban it

[@iironhide6209]

That’s not in their purview. They can only internet if a policy is breaking the constitutions causes and or amendments

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@iironhide6209 idk, legacy admissions seems pretty anti american.

[@SomeKidFromBritain]

​@@charlesmiv3842 The constitution is not an all-encompassing thing, its a specific and limited set of things.

[@User-54631]

You get a discount if you go to the same college as your parents.

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@SomeKidFromBritain We know that this supreme court picks and chooses what they deem to personally be considered constitutional or not though. Such is the folly of the flawed "originalist" legal doctrine that the conservative justices adhere to. Sorry, but we shouldn't be living by the same rules that the founder thought were acceptable. We live in a different time.

[@maki9396]

The irony was that legacy recruits were taking everyone's places.

[@MrMelomalo]

But legacy groups are rich and powerful, the "model minority" little Asian men only go after groups they think they can beat and won't fight back. they do not speak to power like blacks did to gain Civil Rights and Affirmative Action. Also google "Chinese SAT Cheating Schemes" and tell me what you find.

[@mdiesel23]

The real irony would actually be the colleges that favor legacy administration. They're so progressive and stand on a high moral ground for affirmative action, they should just not consider it. Point blank, however they consider.

[@DW-op7ly]

First off that Asian American student lawsuit did repeatedly go after Legacy Admissions citing it was a bigger issue than AA However most Asian Americans supported Affirmative Action So these students who filed the lawsuit, did not speak for the majority of Asians Secondly this is such a fake narrative like Asians Americans didn’t know that they were discriminated against. They just kept their mouths shut about it all along and no court decision will change that In American society where even with the far left bleeding heart snow ;flak(es). It’s okay to be racist against Asians Is it too much to ask that your application is not immediately placed in a pile of people lacking honesty, integrity, kindness, empathy etc Without even meeting the student Where the Harvard defence is yes we discriminate but it wasn’t statistically significant because the Asian American students who did eventually make it to the Alumni interview process did as well as anyone else on personality scores so no discrimination

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Wokies suddenly want to talk about class when their racism is rightly and undeniably classed as illegal.

[@User-54631]

Don’t financial outcomes for Asian americans vary dramatically?

[@davidz3879]

Yes, which isn't often mentioned. In the US, Asians are on average more successful than whites, but there's great variation. Afghans & Cambodians don't have anything like the success that the Japanese & Chinese do.

[@teovu5557]

Cambodians,thais,laotians,hmongs some of the vietnamese etc live BELOW the poverty line and struggle in school for generations now....but when people talk about asian-americans they mostly talking about Second generation and up Chinese americans,Japanese,korean and filipino americans and forget the rest who live in the ghetto almost.@@davidz3879

[@SirDennisReynolds]

Exactly, say it louder for the people in the back

[@vn2183]

@@davidz3879 Nope, it’s the educated Indians from India that outpaced whites’ annual income. Indians skewed the ‘Asians’ success’ in the US of A!

[@wuguay5526]

That statement is true for every single race.

[@SandyRiverBlue]

Man, I didn't know Luigi had a side job with Vice.

[@ditherdather]

right

[@fusiondave86]

Total non-sequiter. But so right on! Resemblance is striking! 😂😂😂

[@SomeScrubEngineer]

Judge everyone on their merits. That is it.

[@monopolizedopamine]

AA was formed to prevent people WITH MERIT from being rejected due to race. 🤡🤡🤡

[@charlesmiv3842]

We don't live in a meritocracy. That's a myth. Race has to be a factor in college admissions to give a much needed leg up to the marginalized communities that benefited greatly from it. Whether we like it or not, America is not a colorblind nation. So, applying colorblind laws to a society that hasn't gotten past it's racist history, is racist itself.

[@kovy689]

Bingo

[@gmclucy]

the problem is that people don't, they have bias unconscious or conscious

[@tore705]

It's NEVER happened in the US-anywhere!

[@coolbluereview]

Asians were proportionally not victims of redlining. The post-reconstruction era wasn’t mentioned at all.

[@Irv350]

victim mentality

[@drmodestoesq]

No...Asians were not redlined. Unless you consider the redline the Pacific Ocean.

[@starbright3509]

⁠@@Irv350 Put up a good arguement instead of using old tired “victim mentality.” You all want to scapegoat blacks as being the main beneficiaries of affirmative action (when white women benefited the most from it) but don’t want to talk about the redlining and financial discrimination that has benefitted whites for centuries, post slavery and post Jim Crow…

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Redlining was economic, not racial at all. It's nobody's fault but their own that blacks are a larger % of the poor and thus suffer from economic discrimination more.

[@coolbluereview]

@@heldinahtmlhell Lmaoo most idiotic comment. Do some actual research. You do know that redlining is defined as a discriminatory practice right and has been outlawed by the Supreme Court. So that’s like saying slavery wasn’t racial at all, it was based on economics. Bro it sounds like you’ve gotten all ur info from social media.

[@jwhitenstall]

The obsession by Americans with what colour you are drags the actual left wing of the Anglosphere down with it. We have a tradition of talking about solidarity and improved working and living conditions for all, the Americans can only make those arguments if they first talk about what colour you are, it's ridiculous.

[@Lordsuhn]

If you understood that most, if not all. American institutions were built with what color you are in mind, you would then understand why we have to address it. Ignoring it is the same as endorsing white supremacy, because it has been deliberately baked in.

[@Andrea-1998]

Morgan freedom was right to a degree.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

Identity has been monetized in America. Activism has been monetized; so the rhetoric gets corny; like commerical advertisements get corny. They keep trying to push the envelope; not because it makes logiocal sense, but because they have an audience to market to. They need new material at a constant pace.

[@scj3188]

🙄 read a American history book.

[@gabrielsears9897]

You are willfully forgetting the lasting effects for hundreds of years of chattle slavery and another hundred of state sanctioned racism with Jim crow, stop being dense

[@EEVOL]

Vice, if you want to put a piece out like this, don't hide the comments that you disagree with. Look at all the missing replies.

[@kovy689]

No wonder Vice is going bankrupt…

[@gmclucy]

its not VICE its KZbin hiding things automatically, I've seen this on countless comments sections on things that aren't even politics like just video games or whatever

[@abcde4677]

Google is doing it. Not vice. Ghosting comments is a thing in KZbin.

[@OneDropEast1988]

We all know what side Vice News is on

[@AvadGroup]

Wtffff Asian A history and African A is deeply intertwined! She just said that to sound relevant. Not allowing someone in to the country for a few decades and maybe being a bit bullied is nothing compared to be a slave and segregated for several CENTURIES.

[@sirblanka]

few decades? you're a fool .Asians have been in this country since the 1800s. "a bit bullied"? you don't know anything.

[@wuguay5526]

You’re ok w Asians being “a bit bullied”? Well, glad the SCOTUS doesn’t agree w YOU.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Asians were put in camps during WW2 and discriminated against as much as blacks since WW2. The first drug laws were introduced to target Asians because they were taking white peoples' jobs. And blacks have had 70 years of favourable discrimination in every area, they have one of the political parties in their back pocket and basically dictate who wins their Primary and becomes the candidate. Unless you lived through slavery or segregation it doesn't impact you in any way whatsoever, it just enabled you to be a victim based on lies. FYI, black people started slavery. They were the ones who kidnapped their fellow blacks and sold them to the west. Black Africans fought tooth and nail to keep slavery when the west ended it in the 19th century. And slavery still exists in Africa today. Also, blacks today benefit from slavery as much as white people, if not more (given that they absorb more welfare and do less of the work to maintain society), given that they use the same infrastructure and wealth that slavery supposedly built.

[@mrniceguy7168]

The fact of the matter is, that unlike abortion, Affirmative Action is rejected by the vast majority of American’s, in all racial groups.

[@Lumi_Lumi13]

False.

[@kovy689]

@@Lumi_Lumi13How?

[@mrniceguy7168]

@@Lumi_Lumi13 polling says otherwise

[@killercaos123]

I mean “sure”. But most Americans wanted to be educated but for a lot of people it’s not so easily accessible because it’s too expensive to get

[@kovy689]

@@mrniceguy7168 Ikr??

[@williamgregory1848]

I loved this piece. Hearing the term "model minority" just makes me cringe. It's so bad and it only pits Asian-Americans against other minority groups.

[@charlesmiv3842]

Except the model minority myth is advanced by white people in power, with the specific goal of dividing the minority races.

[@davidz3879]

It's not a myth. East Asians & Ashkenazim are outstandingly successful.

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@davidz3879 Only because they've been more or less integrated into white society. Racial out groups are denied this level of success because of systemic racism.

[@vypa-bk1iy]

so asians have no agency they are only successful because of the whyt man??? Lmao

[@wtfdtreats]

@@davidz3879higher average IQs

[@UrMomOwesMeMoney]

Ban all personal profiling of school and work applications

[@HiAdrian]

Yup, gender too for school applications.

[@n00ffensebut]

How is model minority a myth? They never explained that. Model minority is a term from a sociologist in 1966, describing Japanese Americans. Statistics showed that it applies to other Asian-American ethnicities, as well. It is more true now than in 1966 because Asian test scores have been rising.

[@jklax]

Welcome to Vice's bullshit.

[@bskthekim]

Well I learned about this in my undergrad studies so I don’t remember everything but it’s true Asians have higher test scores and they have less crime rate but their story doesn’t end there. Asian minority groups overall struggle with unreported mental health issues such as depressions that contributes to high suicidal rate (e.g South Korea). The main reason is due to their own culture since seeking help for mental illnesses is severely stigmatized in most Asian communities. Besides that, the vast majority of Asian population do not live the life as the so-called model Asians that are smart and making a lot of money. Hope this helps somewhat.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

Apparently because Hmong-Americans make less money than the average White-American, the model-minority Asian is a "myth". Despite the fact that Americans of Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, and Indian ancestry make noticeably more money and are arrested at even lower rates than White Americans. The left decided to cherry pick ONE ASIAN ETHNIC GROUP, and decide that the whole thing is bogus in order to present the false argument that "Whites are still on top".

[@davidz3879]

@@bskthekim In the US, the suicide rate for whites is far higher than that for Asians.

[@teovu5557]

model minority myth cant be applied to all asian ethnic groups in America.....Cambodians,Laotians,Hmong and other asian groups live below mininium wage and struggle in school etc And most recent Chinese are dish washers and servers or under paid cooks etc yet when speaking on "Asian-Americans" ya'll seem to only be thinking of second and third etc generation Chinese/Japanese and Korean Americans or Filipino-Americans who are highly educated and have good jobs. they dont represent all asian americans as a whole......according to pew research asian americans are either really rich or really poor and consider polarizing.

[@qwerty-vp1sb]

in malaysia theres also affirmative action but its for the religious/ethnic majority malays not for minorities

[@theendurance]

Aka Malaysian supremacy

[@rebeccablackvirus975]

​@@theendurancethey were there first, go back to China if you don't like it. Southeast asian natives deserve to have a country of their own

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

Yeah I remember being in Malaysia and seeing "for Bumiputera contractors only". Anti-Indian and anti-Chinese discrimination.

[@irwanfaizal9558]

Let's not forget, Chinese speaker only in the jobs ads 😂😂

[@onlyfacts4999]

@@irwanfaizal9558 I've only ever seen Indian-only rental ads

[@deejay5102]

Could we plz stop trying to compare other minorities' struggles in America with the Black American experience? No other minority experienced what we experienced and still continue to experience, period. Not to mention if these other minorities were treated so badly here like they claim, they could always pack up and go home. Black Americans never had that option. The vast majority of these minority groups are here in large numbers due to Black Americans. Without the Civil Rights Era we would never have had immigration reform in the 1960s. But sadly, even with that said, these same beneficiaries still insisted on batting for team white supremacy, only until after team white supremacy started to target them, henceforth, the Anti-Asian crime bill. Let's talk about Affirmative Action. Affrimative Action benefitted white women the most while Black Americans benefitted the least. Asians benefitted greatly from Affirmative Action (along with Civil Rights legislation) from the very beginning but no one wants to talk about that. And because of their anti Black American hatred they sided with a white supremacist to target Affirmative Action thinking it was gonna hurt Black Americans who they thought were undeserving of their spots in college, only to really shoot themselves in the foot as we are now starting to see with Affirmative Action dismantled, they are now back at square one with no real progress whatsoever. Who will they blame now? Minorities need to educate themselves on American history before they start to run out and back WS to take away programs that actually benefit them. Black Americans have been disenfranchised from day one and are expected to put on their non existent "boot straps" and go compete with ppl who have had a huge headstart while being at the very bottom of the eco-socio- political ladder. That's pure insanity. And that's why *#Reparations* are long overdue and are in order.

[@baldingeagle8404]

lol no free money you work for it like everyone else were not having people who weren’t slave holders pay money to people who weren’t enslaved

[@rara1800]

Thank you! You know the history!

[@deejay5102]

@@rara1800 yup, and i think they know too but they are playing ignorant and just don't care.

[@deejay5102]

@@rara1800 the Asian population in America only sky rocketed *AFTER* the Civil Rights Era which helped to get birth to the immigration act that followed. There are more asia born asians and first generationaly "asian americans" in America right now than there are "Asian Americans" who were here pre Civil Rights Era. They were banned from immigrating here pre 1965 by white folks who run the government but somehow these ppl have a problem with Black Americans who directly as well as indirectly pave the way for them to be able to come here and enjoy the rights they do. I just don't get it.

[@beyourself2444]

Exactly...

[@Vonwra]

Vice makes claims likes this and still wonder why they’re bankrupt 😂😂😂

[@rusinoe8364]

Alternative title: How being racist to Asians helped end affirnative action. Racists seething everywhere.

[@monopolizedopamine]

Here's a better one: Most Americans STILL don't understand the college recruitment process and here's Rusinoe8364 to tell us all about it

[@arpeggiatorful]

​@@monopolizedopaminehere's an even better one: monopolizeddopamine is racist against asians.

[@charlesmiv3842]

Who's racist against asian?

[@tbird81]

​@@charlesmiv3842The same people who are racist against black Americans and assume they can't make it on their own.

[@ErisDas]

​@@charlesmiv3842blacks

[@FakeBlocks]

Meritocracy ftw

[@charlesmiv3842]

America isn't a meritocracy, and it never has been. This is a myth that conservatives and brain dead libertarians like to tell themselves, but it's not true in the least bit. Race has to be a factor in college admissions to give a much needed leg up to the marginalized communities that benefited greatly from it. Whether we like it or not, America is not a colorblind nation. So, applying colorblind laws to a society that hasn't gotten past it's racist history, is racist itself.

[@Andrea-1998]

Totally agree.

[@wuguay5526]

@@charlesmiv3842it’s time we start going in the direction of meritocracy though.

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@wuguay5526 Yeah, and this is the wrong way of going about it. This just makes college campuses more homogeneous. If we truly took steps towards a more meritocratic society, we'd do away with legacy admissions.

[@wuguay5526]

@@charlesmiv3842 I believe that they are working on the legacy admission problems right now.

[@EEVOL]

They couldn't find a more progressive group of people to talk about affirmitive action than these people. Specially the host. Yes you can attribute Asian success to cultural values, yes there seems to be a disparity between minorities. It's an inconvenient truth. The stats don't lie and it's hard to ignore. Look no further then demographic statistics to Asians and other minorities when it comes to divorce rates, child out of wedlock, single parent upbringing. The left would want you to believe that by pointing these statistics you're racist.

[@CriticalThinker02]

🎯

[@hallasnackbar1865]

Accurate

[@getschwifty9531]

BINGO

[@davidz3879]

Differing intelligence levels are another major factor. It's the reason that Ashkenazim are the most successful.

[@1988kcmo]

@@davidz3879Hm intelligence levels? What are you saying, exactly? Not that one race is inherently smarter than another, right?

[@shanedias4896]

Not a myth, it’s real. Just look at the statistics

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

because Hmong-Americans make less money than the average White-American, the model-minority Asian is a "myth". Despite the fact that Americans of Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, and Indian ancestry make noticeably more money and are arrested at even lower rates than White Americans. The left decided to cherry pick ONE ASIAN ETHNIC GROUP, and decide that the whole thing is bogus.

[@SirDennisReynolds]

Nope it's a white supremacist myth. Add in the nuance of not grouping Asian Americans all together (a continent encompassing double digit numbers of countries) and you will see the disparities become obviously apparent by national origin. By grouping them all together you are effectively saying all Asian people are the same, which is patently false and stupid.

[@jordanmartin9086]

“Conventional ways of living MUST be questioned” -Vice I think everyone is ok with that. It’s the victim state used to stop those from questioning non conventional ways of living which annoys people. This is why you failed.

[@jjmcg9184]

Welp, how's that AA knockdown working for ya?

[@r01dtox15]

There are videos that mention about an Article that said *Asian Americans are 28% less likely to be admitted to selective Colleges. After Affirmative Action* When I checked their number on Selective Colleges/Universities. *As of Today **_(Dec 2023)....._* If they are *28% less likely to be admitted to selective Colleges.* Why do *Harvard has 29% Asian* and *Princeton has 28% Asian?....* Does the article suggest that their true number should be around 60% Asian in Ivy League? That's not the worse.... Their number in *John Hopkins Medical School is 51%* and in *UPenn Medical School is 42%....* And if you add that 28% you'll get some crazy @ss number. *All of UC Campuses in California **_(UC San Francisco -- UC Davis -- UC Berkeley -- UCLA -- UC Irvine -- UC Santa Barbara -- UC Riverside -- UC San Diego -- etc.)_* are *All Predominantly Asian Institutions....* All of them have around 50% to 60% Asian. The Best Engineering University in US.... *CalTech **_(NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory)_* is *Predominantly Asian Institution.* Even in the *Heart of Black Mecca **_(Atlanta)...._** GA Tech* is *Predominantly Asian Institution.* *Stanford, USC, MIT and Emory* are very close to becoming *Predominantly Asian Institutions.* I also found out that *back in the 1996 when California voted to ban the Affirmative Action.....* *Doctors in US were (0.2% Asian), (4% Black), (4% Hispanic) and more than (90% Whites).... Today, (23% Asian), (6% Black), (6% Hispanic) and (65% Whites)....* They all say they want more Black Doctors but all they do is only enroll Whites and Asians. 🤦🏽‍♂ .

[@iamdangerous5189]

It's pure and unfiltered entitlement. They basically kicked themselves in the ass.​@@r01dtox15

[@mdiesel23]

It actually worked out fantastically in CA, all major and prominent colleges in CA such as Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA has a large student body of Asians. In these major colleges, Asians are usually either the majority or come second to the majority.....while only being 15% of the state of CA. You're free to look it up. Affirmative Action was made illegal in the 90s in CA.

[@mdiesel23]

@@Flexed_qt ? Affirmative Action was made illegal since the 90s in CA. I am familiar with it here because I live in CA. It should be reflected in any major colleges that doesn't practice Affirmative Action though. Asia*s come second largest in student body at MIT, John Hopkins, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, etc. Mind you, Asia*s make up about 6% of the U.S. population while Whites are something like 60%. So when it comes to elite or major colleges in the U.S., yes Asi*n students over represented compared to the national demographics.

[@bbsara0146]

how is it a myth? Asians literally are the model minority based on education attainment, earnings..ect

[@theconceptofmentalwellness355]

They are not They are the smallest AND rewarded for compliance Big difference

[@bbsara0146]

@@theconceptofmentalwellness355 yea but our society rewards people who are compliant.. blacks are literally the opposite, extremely un-compliant and they tend not to do so well in modern society

[@heldinahtmlhell]

You mean compliance with laws?@@theconceptofmentalwellness355

[@8dholland]

@@theconceptofmentalwellness355 They are a sculpted ethnicity. Like Blacks, Asians could not come in willingly but only by brain drain. These Asians are not the normal bunch. They are model because whites sculpted the class as such.

[@mateuszdrwal4377]

I abhor the Roberts Supreme Court, but I couldn't agree more on the "affirmative action" ruling and was expecting at least justice Kagan to support it either. Race cannot be a factor in college admissions.

[@monopolizedopamine]

AA wasn't getting more minorities into college that weren't already qualified but I'm not expecting to have an articulate discussion here. This is to curtail other misinformed opinions from chiming in.

[@mistahshade]

lmao when California got rid AA, the white student body got reduced by 25%

[@SomeKidFromBritain]

​@@monopolizedopamine Was artificially elevating/supressing peoples SAT scores based on their race not a form of qualification manipulation?

[@charlesmiv3842]

Race has to be a factor in college admissions to give a much needed leg up to the marginalized communities that benefited greatly from it. Whether we like it or not, America is not a colorblind nation. So, applying colorblind laws to a society that hasn't gotten past it's racist history, is racist itself.

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@monopolizedopamine It absolutely was getting more minorities, particularly black and brown students, into universities that have historically excluded them.

[@Petty-BettyPolite1019]

Lol lol boy did this age well for them lol.

[@Qqxx22]

Nice echo chamber of opinions that reaffirm each other. Yeah affirmative action is great when you’re on the winning side of it. Try being on the other end and overlooked for a position, not for your lack of ability but because of your skin color. Ya know, discrimination..that old thing. I’ll tell you it doesn’t feel very good. The Supreme Court made the right decision. Also: Notice the white guy barely spoke and when he did he was very wise in not sharing his opinion. In this social climate, and with these two I wouldn’t either.

[@Goodnightsrest]

Thank god Affirmative action is gone, now black people cant be blamed for them not getting in when legacy admissions are a lot higher!

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

lets get this clear. asians are not a monolithic homogenous population, at least not when it comes to outcomes of success. proveyors of the model minority myth like to point to "collective cultural values" as a reason for why asians work so hard and achieve so much, but there are no such values in existence. confucianism does include values of discipline and work ethic, but those values have never pointed to any kind of historical socioeconomic achievement. and even if it did, it wouldn't matter, because we don't live in a meritocracy. so really, these asians fighting against this are shooting themselves in the foot because their real enemy is in fact, what they are perpetuating, aka the model minority myth, and how THAT is what wedges them underneath all racial discourse in america for the pursuit of the "american dream", THAT is what makes them invisible, and THAT is what erases the true struggle of asian immigrants in this country as they've been fighting to be seen as real americans for centuries. people who aren't asian don't understand that asians hate this debate because they think it decenters their voices and places them on black and brown people instead. they think their racial struggle isn't talked about enough. and it isn't. liberals are only interested in black vs white, which brings more asians into the conservative sphere. ive spent many days on online asian spaces trying to understand why asians love being the model minority so much. another reason no one talks about is how many asian immigrants came here in the aftermath of political proxy wars, which ended in the dominance of capitalism and democracy, two values/systems which these asian immigrants hold onto for dear life and thus, believe they thrive under, making them uphold their status as the model minority to an even greater extent due to its implication of minority achievement only being possible under american capitalism. american exceptionalism is pushed by the greater political forces, war, uprooting, poverty, and occupation. affirmative action is a policy that is viewed as a fake political stunt. "that is not "real" struggle compared to what my family faced in my homeland". -every asian immigrant ever. asians and other immigrants view america as a place where their sense of belonging doesn't need to come from their identity, because the beauty of america is that anyone can make it. america integrates people naturally. no matter where you're from. this is the bs they tell themselves to justify their supposed "neutrality" on social justice. "race doesn't matter" then why are you talking about how being asian hurts you kevin?????? you see this blatant hypocrisy and think maybe its actually the so called "apolitical" asians who are actually the most agenda seeking. this kind of asian knows he's not the type to be trapping ABGs and hosting rave parties, and so he tries to compensate by getting into politics. the clowns that you see supporting the dismantling of this historical policy are simply a product of their overobsessed tiger moms and strict stoic asian dads. because obviously, asian stereotypes like these are just "subtle asian traits" that conveniently reduce the history of asian american identity in this country down to simplistic, shallow ideas that even a child can understand. TLDR: bsffr asians. you guys don't care about your own community and you never have. you guys are so far removed from white people while emulating the same energy as them. use your brain vivian, just for a second

[@reahsahpagel3354]

as an Asian thank you

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Lol @ expecting Asians to ally with blacks, who knock them out in the street for fun.

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:22: 📚 The Supreme Court's decision regarding Harvard's affirmative action case was not surprising due to the nature of the allegations and the history of the case. 3:47: 📚 The history of Black Americans and Asian Americans are deeply interconnected, and the model minority myth emerged in the 1940s-60s. 6:53: 🗣 The Voting Rights Act in 1964-65 did not solve the deep-rooted problem of racial discrimination against black people, leading to the emergence of the modern minority narrative. 10:12: 📚 The speaker discusses the history and evolution of the Asian American identity, and highlights the need for a broader focus on fairness, equality, and opportunity. 13:54: 📚 Asian Americans see the removal of discrimination against them at Harvard as a setback, but it also challenges the model minority myth and highlights their political engagement. Recap by Tammy AI

[@heldinahtmlhell]

"Asian Americans see the removal of discrimination against them at Harvard as a setback" lol wot

[@KitanaiharE]

Thank y'all for breaking this down. Ppl are alot more alike than they are unalike. We've just been unable to grow up and have grown folks conversations. Hopefully we can do more of that.

[@tokatv6713]

Racism: “a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race…” - Merriam Webster Dictionary This is the basis of eugenics and led to the rise of movements like nazism. To assume a race of people and its related culture is superior than others is in itself racism.

[@getschwifty9531]

Thank you! Theory of evolution pretty much arose out of Charles Darwin's belief in eugenics and how whites are the dominant race.

[@davidz3879]

Why are Ashkenazim the most successful?

[@DW-op7ly]

You speak to any Jewish person they are not really a race or a ethnicity But a religious ethnicity You can’t go throughout history excluding people Ie from your religion and examples where the working class people were left behind etc

[@Ofasia777]

And just like that the Republican Supreme Court ended racism in the US forever.

[@ghostprince4284]

Yeah,But Not Classicism.

[@misosouperman]

I dont get why we cant get real, im black and black culture does not uplift doing well in school. So turns out many of us dont do well in school. Asians uplift education so is it a suprise that they succeed in this country. When we are honest and start to change black culture it will be the most beneficial thing black americans can do for ourselves. Asians shouldnt be punished because they do well!

[@arpeggiatorful]

They blame everything but themselves.

[@youtubeuserzzzz]

​@arpeggiatorful who is "they"?

[@PhilJLF]

@@youtubeuserzzzzthe same people who commit 44% of the crime but are only 12% of the population in America

[@bigcunt5689]

As a foreigner it seems inevitable that black Americans will reform their culture positively, I just think it has to be organic and not forced on you which has failed a lot in the past

[@PhilJLF]

Every black kid that went to LeBron James high school failed the state math test, not one teenager passed … you guys need fathers in the home sticking around 76% don’t have one and it really doesn’t help people grow into respectable people MOST (not all) of the time.

[@mukeshangrish]

I’m not conservative or liberal, so I don’t understand why they are undermining a legal judgment based on the media show around the case and not addressing the aspects the judgement was based on. I mean does a conservative lawyer taking a case immediately make it a hoax?! At least that was what is implied in the beginning. This isn’t anywhere near unbiased journalism.

[@nelkfullsend]

is OJ guilty?

[@cliveklg7739]

'I’m not conservative" Liar.

[@wuguay5526]

@@cliveklg7739if people can now identify as being any gender, why can’t one identify as an independent, or “not a conservative” ? Leave your bias at the door and stop assuming people are liars when you have no proof.

[@alterglobo]

@@wuguay5526 The old myth of the "no place", neutral, non-identifiable position, resurrected. A holy, non earthly, being. Kindly bless us with thyne blessed wisdom, genial master, thou who posesseth the neutral, unbiased, impersonal, positive disposition. We mortals only manage to express slogans of ideological myopy, whereas superior beings like you overcame Kant, so now you are able, as the first humans, to make a priori synthetic judgements, i.e. your convictions correspond 1-to-1 to reality. Yeah, that's it. And no, you're not a cheap, stingy, over-ambitious individualist, nihilist, who only recognises one human metric: accumulation of exchange value.

[@wuguay5526]

@@alterglobo ahhh, you make great points about your own faults. Good to see you’re able to self reflect.

[@bca0003]

They left out the fact that Ed Blume is a White supremecyst.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Ad hominems aren't arguments.

[@dsdddsd4543we]

We’re only one generation post integration. There was a denial letter from an African American Student just due to their race in 1962. Behind close doors, who knows what admission officials could do.

[@Cosmo1093]

We already found out what happens behind closed doors from these lawsuits: admission officials use arbitrary "personality scores" to reject as many Asian-American students as possible -- or else they risk having a student body that is 40%+ Asian-American like MIT and UC Berkeley. I'm not sure how the solution to historic racism by White people is ... to make admissions harder for Asian-Americans?

[@davidz3879]

Japanese people in the US were interned in WW2. They haven't rioted, demanding reparations. They don't become teenage single mothers.

[@Jordan-X]

1962… 61 years ago… I don’t understand how people don’t see the progress we’ve made as a country

[@ghostprince4284]

​@@Jordan-XWe've Barely Scratched The Surface.

[@deebrown7160]

​@@Jordan-XIt took LAWS to change that. Whites didn't just let Blacks into their spaces jobs and schools they had to be forced to do it. That's not progress

[@jdotsalter910]

I'm half Chinese American half African American. What i see as the big difference that Americans don't really consider is slavery and then Jim Crow, and then being a minority with that legacy is in no way comparable to the Asian and even African immigrant experience. My Chinese side was poor when they came from Southern China. But there were no structural barriers keeping them down for generations in this country. Yes i know the Chinese Exclusion act. But Black people were systematically oppressed by the government until the 1960s. Another big difference between AAs and immigrants is the severing of culture due to the slave trade. Immigrants come here willingly and with their identities intact. Values are passed down from the old country. We tend to underestimate how much that means to the self. Asians and even African immigrants like my mother in-law don't have that baggage of being persecuted in America. Marrying White people and assimilating is the goal(this will strike a nerve but i see it with my own two eyes. Most Asian American women marry White guys). They aren't controversial and don't have the baggage, and strive to succeed. The model minority. And yes my wife is half African Black, half White. Don't get me wrong, i love and respect both sides of my family and i speak Canto. But there really is no comparison to the immigrant experience vs. the Black American experience.

[@SirDennisReynolds]

Japanese Americans were put into concentration camps. Chinese Americans were routinely lynched and many towns on the West Coast made it unsafe for Asian Americans to even step foot outside after sunset (sunset-towns). What are you talking about? The experiences can be compared and should be compared to the extent that both suffered not only violence but also subjugation by their country. It's not like the Black American experience today is even uniform, affirmative action was benefiting rich African Americans at the expense of poor minorities and even poor white people. That is fucked up and proof that it was not being implemented with any sort of idea to help those out with less opportunities and those that have experienced systemic racism (which do obviously overlap for minorities in particular).

[@ricksang31]

You have a poor understanding of American history if you believe that there were no structural barriers keeping Asian, particularly East-Asian, immigrants down. I'd recommend picking up a book

[@wuguay5526]

Plenty of African Americans are able to do well in America, too. So what’s more important is for everyone to compare the differences between those black Americans who succeeded in America today vs those who aren’t succeeding. Plenty of Asians don’t do well in US either. But our parents teach us to learn from those who have succeeded, then look at the ones who didn’t succeed as cautionary tales.

[@dexdigi]

@@wuguay5526 some interesting points throughout the thread here! I'd highly recommend checking out Ellen Wu's book, a lot of this is addressed in there!

[@wuguay5526]

@@dexdigi thanks! Will do!

[@thehunzz]

How's the bankruptcy going Vice?

[@onyxmoxon]

Harvard thanks you for your free Advertisement!!

[@mutual-aid]

i think it is cultural, but not racial. it's class culture, poverty culture, competition culture, capitalism culture. if you only focus on race you will change nothing.

[@larsthorwald3338]

Stereotypes arise and persist because they contain a kernel of truth.

[@Raiden-si4ru]

​@AJAdesinato oversimply something implies that there was truth to oversimplify in the first place

[@ajulian7331]

Ending affirmative action wont change things for the better. Now people can welcome the type of people they want regardless of education level.

[@echo1310]

I also believe a cause for the shift in the perception of Asians in America starting in 1940's that they do not discuss is the significant fact that WW2, Korea, and Vietnam Wars pierced the stereotype of Asians as inferior. That white America (specifically the servicemen of those wars) had developed a grudging respect for the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans and Vietnamese they fought. Now of course, they most definitely still harbored racist notions that linger to today, but I believe there is a difference between the typical white supremacy/non-white inferiority narrative of pre-WW2 to I hate them because they killed my friend or they bombed Pearl Harbor. ex. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2bEe4SNd757l6Msi=iLbCF_LHbiAqM41T&t=15 I know it may just seem a different 'flavor' of racism but I think it does serve to mark a difference between anti-black racism and anti-Asian racism of today. Especially as many of the alt-right push the "Roof Top Korean" narrative as a way to enforce the model minority myth and divide Asian and Black communities.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

I have no idea. But I'd imagine fighting for Korea would have changed attitudes somewhat lol. And there was probably a reaction to the Japanese being put in camps during WW2. And Vietnam was a genocide.

[@johnnyjoestar7143]

You can be black and still be high achievers and earners in the US, you do not need affirmative action. As an African immigrant , I’ve noticed It’s down to the difference in culture. AA’s seem to be stuck in a whirlwind of broken single parent homes, street violence, criminal activity, teenage pregnancies etc etc which fuels poorer education prospects , poorer financial prospects , poorer infrastructure etc.. etc… etc…etc. Over and over again. Affirmative action is like forcing tape on a busted ball ready to explode. The root problem will not go away, it’s just a veneer of a solution

[@6Diego1Diego9]

The statistics don't agree with you. Poverty, crime and drugs is a cycle. We're trying to break from it. We don't all start at the same level.

[@1on1AllstarsGames]

African immigrants are the racist among African Americans look at you who fought your damn civil right why don't you go to Africa and fix it then.

[@buttofthejoke]

​@@6Diego1Diego9that's exactly what OP is saying. So giving direct admission is not a solution, fixing systemic inequalities that prevent black people from being on the same level as others to COMPETE is the solution. Racial preference (in this case - AAs) will only cause more racism.

[@6Diego1Diego9]

@@buttofthejoke you are the literal definition of mental gymnastics. At the end of the day we all know what you are.

[@buttofthejoke]

@@6Diego1Diego9 just say you're racist towards Asians and move on. Don't hide behind woke ideas.

[@iluvsomebananamilks3367]

3:30 my jaw dropped he can not be serious

[@Nat_Turner32]

Pick up your jaw doggy

[@thubb6]

The biggest difference in the Black & Asian experience is slavery/forced reproduction/blatant destruction of their culture.. while other immigrant groups were able to thrive. Just a few. The Black American’s mentioned here are not “immigrants” as well. Another glaring difference.

[@ApoBeef]

How long are they gonna hang on to that excuse? African, Indian, and other dark-skinned immigrants thrive here. Often coming from much worse backgrounds.

[@rusinoe8364]

Ever heard of the Japanese concentration camps in WW2? What about the Chinese railroad workers who paved the way for trains into the West? And who cares about forced reproduction and destruction of culture in the past? Asians adopted American culture and thrived in it. I don't hear Asians bitching and moaning about anything. They are too busy working hard. Do better.

[@teovu5557]

Asians fought multiple wars against white nations, used as coolies and borderline unpaid labor force for railroads buildings, and farm hands/labor force had our whole country colonized and stripped of our resources. So you might want to up your history game a little bit before saying we had it so much better. kuz when we came to the U.S we were scene as the "other" the enemy and were treated as non-citizens(especially after ww2 war against japan,korean war then vietnam war etc) we had a hard time in the U.S due to it but managed to LIFT UP the community up due to HARD WORK and education.

[@Andrea-1998]

@@teovu5557Alot of people don’t know this ^ thousands of Chinese & other Asian immigrants came to this country during the 1800’s for infrastructure projects such as railroads and more and once they were finished the Army massacred most of them and the government kept the story a secret for hundreds of years.

[@sirblanka]

clearly you dont know the struggles and racism against asian americans in this country and basically the chinese who built the railroads in america were slaves. do your homework homeboy and don't be ignorant, read and learn something and stop perpetuating your stereotype.

[@deebrown7160]

Slavery was legal so it must have been right.

[@giantlabs]

Do asians go to the NBA and complain about lack asians?

[@Ok-oo2kh]

No, Most of asians dnt want be athletes, sports is not real job

[@lactusgalacto1174]

@@Ok-oo2kh They want to grow fat sitting behind a computer and desk all day, counting their bad health to an early grave.

[@TooHonest4_You]

Most Asians don’t want to play in the NBA so what’s your point? And plus Asia have a lot of Basketball leagues that the NBA is minor to them

[@flora936]

Boy oh boy! If this isn't dancing around a deeper issue!

[@TWILS02119]

Very informative discussion. I’m black but my mom comes from Asian decent (native American) . So does my wife. I’m Blackety black. I’m glad we are having this discussion. Losing a leveling tool like affirmative action is going to harm both communities. The racism wins.

[@cinnamonstar808]

its too LATE. the Asian students are on tiktok complaining now. Black people: 😶 on social media. privately 🤭😄😁😆 "witch we told you!!"

[@TWILS02119]

@@cinnamonstar808 I agree with u lol… I told them that was going to hit them not us… We not sweating if we get into Harvard like Asian ppl…a lot of us rather go to Howard. But like I said… the racists won on that… Asian ppl u gotta own that loss. 2 times… You haven’t leveled the playing field for yourselves. Instead you have created a potential disadvantage for black and Asian children. What can we do about that? We have recourses. White women.. u gonna take a loss there too… yup y’all used affirmative action more than black ppl did too. I think this will be a loss for your struggle for equality. lol… 2 times… Next time y’all bet be hearing your brothers. We not playing. We just want equality. Racism exists and it has real world affects on us and our children. We have to stand against racism to stop racism.

[@hosebewhening6111]

​@@cinnamonstar808😂😂😂😂

[@jc-tu6pg]

If these shenanigans are happening at Harvard, you it's happening everywhere else

[@amronnog]

Ahh. The Asian American, always the hammer and the nail.

[@fortunatengubeni6410]

The MAN is always gonna try to put a brother down

[@8dholland]

You know, I read about how the Punics allowed the Phoencians to build the greatest city in Africa at the time. Immigrants. Why do immigrants now treat natives populations like door mats? Or is it just my imagination? I know the Asians are good for the country, but the feeling of loss is still there. What did we loose? I hope its jealousy, something thats cureable.

[@nedj10]

Perhaps now Vice should turn it's attention to the metro Atlanta city of Morrow where an Asian American city council woman is being censured for trying to get ballots printed in Spanish and Vietnamese after an African American member of the council called her Un-American for making such a motion.

[@rusinoe8364]

Nahhh, Vice doesn't care about that. They only want to talk about how racist the Supreme Court is.

[@charlesmiv3842]

Highly doubt this happened the way you're describing it did lol

[@TheDissent]

I just watched the news coverage after seeing your comment. That woman’s comments were uncalled for. What the councilwomen asked for is a no brainer. The women is a bigot and not helping our situation. I’m embarrassed her IQ is that low.

[@Pokemon315066]

lol she was never censured

[@nedj10]

@@Pokemon315066 according to 11Alive the NBC affiliate for Atlanta she was censured on Tuesday feel free to check Google News

[@rod9829]

Average SAT scores by race: Asians>Whites>Latinos>Blacks

[@ApoBeef]

Must be that white privilege

[@charlesmiv3842]

Sorry, but SAT scores are a useless indicator of intelligence or capability. If you have a good score, all that shows is that you're a decent test taker, nothing else.

[@monopolizedopamine]

​@@rusinoe8364 Reported for misinformation.

[@monopolizedopamine]

Oooh numbers. Now pull up the numbers on how schools are funded and which populations tend to occupy better funded schools. I'll wait.

[@ApoBeef]

@@monopolizedopamine Violent crime rate by race in the US per capita: Blacks>Latinos>Whites>Asians

[@jojom6657]

But he's right! Why should you be admitted if you underperformed?

[@Wmuthoni]

However, most data on affirmative action shows that nearly all students admitted had the grades, high SAT scores and became successful after graduation. It’s the legacies, faculty members kids and endowments that are the reason why more talented kids don’t enter these top universities and now that affirmative action is gone which kind of students will be awarded these spots again it the groups that I previously mentioned.

[@EEVOL]

Lmfao they could've chosen a better host than this affirmitive action hire. Terrible host and doesn't seem to really fully grasp or understand the underlying issues.

[@warrenlewis3977]

You've never been to College have you?

[@EEVOL]

@@warrenlewis3977 I have a bachelors and a masters. You?

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@EEVOL sure you do..

[@EEVOL]

@@warrenlewis3977 lol then it's a bit silly to ask such a stupid question then right?

[@Qqxx22]

@@warrenlewis3977he couldn’t get into college because affirmative action gave his spot to a minority.

[@OneDropEast1988]

Lowered standards for African-Americans but still able to get into universities and you get sub par graduates. How does that help the black community?

[@sayitloudblcknproud]

The standards have never been lowered! The opportunity was just opened up. Too many hard working, high achieving AA’s were getting denied admission to major universities based on skin color alone.

[@retrospecative2454]

This is why vice failed

[@charlesmiv3842]

"This is why vice failed " meanwhile Vice is sitting at over 8 million subs on their main channel alone. C O P E

[@arizonajoe6813]

​@charlesmiv3842 and they just went bankrupt, with distressed assets being bought by a couple hedge funds including George Soros's. CoPiNg!

[@getschwifty9531]

​@@charlesmiv3842you must think Twitter is real too. _muh subscribers_ Their credibility and ability to stay objective without trying condition you is dreck.

[@TheRed4123]

​@@charlesmiv3842check the view counts, they used to hit millions.

[@thehunzz]

​@@charlesmiv3842Except they do have that whole financial problem thing.

[@original.intent.bitcoin]

It's called VICTIM SHOPPING no matter who does it.

[@misterE-1989]

Myth? Statistics don't lie.

[@lalah9481]

I don’t think the majority of Americans; especially white Americans, have any idea what affirmative action is about. The goal should be for ALL of us to be valued, accepted, welcomed, to feel a part of the whole, and to at least be on equal ground as a starting point. What we do with that as individuals is up to us. People’s place in the world isn’t taken away when others join us.

[@Andrea-1998]

Affirmative action is just a race-card, call it whatever you want but that’s what it is. College should be all about merits, about success. That’s my opinion on it

[@TGCuf3dr]

I’m sure you guys aren’t trying to use an Asian face for your agenda/narrative at all, unlike Edward Blum. This case was about Harvard and uncle chapel hill discrimination against Asians. Why was so little time spent on this topic in a video that claimed to cover this topic? Also, if a kid is good enough to go to Harvard, and wants to go to Harvard, then they should go to Harvard no? Is Dr. Wu effectively telling a qualified candidate to be happy with their place , if they were indeed discriminated against?

[@SKMCTV]

3:30 is he wrong?

[@ivannightly1919]

Ive often seen Asians fast tracked to upper management positions Chinese and Indian in particular. Driven to meet deadlines and go the extra mile Im sure they will be a major group in North America as I see more and more going into politics

[@thanksmaybe4103]

We have to stop it

[@jbr1537]

What why? Hard working immigrants getting promoted is bad? @@thanksmaybe4103

[@davidz3879]

That's because they're much more high-achieving. They don't riot or become teenage single mothers.

[@Mdavis12002]

​@@davidz3879don't start that b.s. dude. Smh 😒

[@ricksang31]

Why do we have to stop it lmfao, they work hard and earn their rewards. Some groups of people don't put in the work but were, until recently, unfairly rewarded.@@thanksmaybe4103

[@RabbitWatchShop]

Haha. GET REKT#

[@charlesmiv3842]

This is your big win? Kinda sad

[@RabbitWatchShop]

@@charlesmiv3842 nah

[@charlierodriguez8489]

I really dislike when Asian hate is a subject and we completely ignore who is over represented in hating Asians.

[@thizwizz253]

This is a win for African Americans because the idea is we get places based on race, lol remember schools bases admissions more than test scores.

[@jdubs604]

AA is discrimination period and the host went out of his way to find an Asian who is against the Scotus ruling. 😂

[@user-dl2iy5yv2k]

You can’t out victim our American African. CANT be done.

[@PUTAHANDLEONIT]

The entire situation, in and of itself, (specifically the lawsuit ) is a perfect example or white privilege at work. The choice of a lawyer representing that race in defense of a yt person is an example of racism as well. Its an intentional choice and conscious effort to essentially say how could it be racist if my lawyer is of a diff. Race? Excessive efforts at " wokeness" is substantial ,yet, subtle racism. Or another EX. something like a yt person claiming they don't " see color " and trying to prove that by *claiming* the one black person they know. Feeling the need to convince others ur not a bigot is the No. Telltale sign of the subconscious/unconscious racism I mentioned above.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Ok racist

[@peace4myheart]

I agree with her. As an Asian, I do think the Asian community lost here, not just in school admission, but in many other sectors in the community.

[@pierregibson6699]

Now that they got their use out of y’all …watch what they’re going to do to y’all..😂…to be soo smart that you shoot yourselves in the head trying to kiss WS asses..you guys are sooooooo FUC Ed in the long run with WS 😂the ONLY thing they like about you is that your not black other than that….they HATE YOU ALSO….have you not seen what WS did TO ASIAN Countries

[@kovy689]

AA clearly hurts Asians and Whites alike.

[@wuguay5526]

@@pierregibson6699you keep believing in that if it makes you feel better, sweetheart. 😂

[@justhumblemeclarke7292]

Also, the Asian American population is the most likely to date other races. We shall see what comes from this.

[@jc-tu6pg]

Is the black dude then in favor of letting all the asians into the NBA at the expense of black players who are clearly more capable?

[@thizwizz253]

Not how AA works

[@dexdigi]

no, i'm not, what a weird tangent lol. thanks for watching

[@buttofthejoke]

It's funny how shamelessly the guy taking the interview just puts words in everyone's mouth. Oh, asian women on the website, Oh culture of education for Asians equals, black people don't have culture. Statistically it is true. Asians came to this country in huge numbers in the 50s, but so did black immigrants.. How many do you see in colleges? Does that guy even know YEARS of training that asian kids go through? I'm from a lower middle class family, but I got scholarships (not because of race, but because I worked as Developer for the university) and made it. But this guy wants to suggest that asians just cheated their way and black people were left behind. How many stories do you hear where there's social pressure on black kids to excell in schools, sports, chess clubs? Ask any asian kid, the pressure to score high on SATs was on them since they were 5 years old. That's a cultural thing. Don't make us feel like we didn't actually work hard and there's some sort of favoritism.

[@TheDAT573]

Global IQ Chart, Asians occupy the top slots. Hong Kong, China, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Korea. They are it.

[@reahsahpagel3354]

Yall forget Asia has so many regions and ethnicities and they do not all fair the same in the U.S. at all

[@sirrobinofloxley7156]

It would be interesting to have live tv of how Asians, Blacks and Whites live in different cities and countries. I know the Indians are leaving India as fast as they can as soon as they can. China pretty much disappears anyone wanting to leave, and countries have literally banned them from coming. UK has agreed to allow some 170,000-250,000 Hongkongers in though. Africa wants a return of the diaspora to help stabilise there, since Ghaddafi was assassinated there's been nothing but war and famine all over.

[@theendurance]

If you let only the top 5% of people from another country to immigrate to your country, then why would you be surprised that those are the most successful and hard working. That doesn’t mean all Asians are as successful or hard working, if that were true then Asian countries wouldn’t be so much poorer than western countries lol. Also the idea that Asians value education more isn’t even true. Asian countries have far lower rate of post secondary education than America/West. 40% of Americans aged 25-34 have a 4 year degree. It’s only 18% in China. It’s only 40% in Japan and 47% in SK, but other western countries have even higher than those.

[@wuguay5526]

That’s very true. America has always recruited the brightest people from other continents and countries. One could argue if it serves America well today. Ever notice that many doctors are from foreign countries?! Why can’t America produce enough doctors to serve its own country? Why are so many jobs going to those born outside of US? I wish someone would look into this.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Except the same outcomes are found the world over.

[@illuminatifrever]

Nah it was rejected because it was racist 😂

[@chunkygoodness]

Literally the answer is at 3:49

[@dickmonddickelheimer9452]

7:30 Yes, exactly

[@thubb6]

The biggest difference in the Black & Asian experience is slavery/forced reproduction/blatant destruction of their culture.. while other immigrant groups were able to thrive. Just a few. The Black American’s mentioned here are not “immigrants” as well. Another glaring difference.

[@dickmonddickelheimer9452]

@thubb6 Asians were also enslaved, and much more recently

[@arpeggiatorful]

​@@thubb6After slavery was abolished, asians were brought into the US to work the plantations and building the railroads. They were treated badly under indentured servitude. It was comparable to legal slavery.

[@rusinoe8364]

@@arpeggiatorfulJapanese Americans lost everything after WW2. They rebuilt. I don't see them bitching and moaning. People just don't know history. Black people were sold a bill of goods in recent years and they are too ignorant to see through the falsehoods.

[@sandrasteele976]

​@arpeggiatorful you say Asians but which nationality are you referring to? China has China towns all over and the Japanese were given reparations. So, if they experienced indentured servitude they have since been repaired their injury.

[@xFlRSTx]

HA

[@kimbeaux75]

Does the white dude even know he looks like a cracked out SuperMario?!

[@tiffanyt9329]

He's wearing green, of course not going as Mario but Luigi.

[@LeechyKun]

It is culture though, where you think Tiger Moms exist from? And average IQ on Asia (China) is higher. It's not model minority, just the culture of upbringing. Has Ellen Wu even been to China? Chinese have been through racism, slavery, being used by Whites, colonialism, mass death, etc. and yet still they don't complain as much as you would see another group does. I agree with everyone that they need ot end legacy admissions as well unless the person is somehow also a genius.

[@X2LR8]

You saw exactly what I said. Yeah you did. Why are you afraid of the truth and open discussion?

[@Siubakkoi1]

7

[@spazzpeddlerclosing]

wait..this lady is so bad at her american history im stunned. first she says asians ..indians are asian... so she needs a second to think about what she actually knows or just learned to memorize.

[@ryugunou2534]

Waffles or Pancakes?

[@thehunzz]

Crepes.

[@SM-cv8sv]

@@thehunzz HERETIC!

[@drmodestoesq]

Blintz.

[@user-yv2xt2iy8y]

GANGSTALKING TREND IS UP WHERES VICE?

[@soton5teve]

*WHEN ARE ALL THE VIDEOS ON SAUDI ARABIA?*

[@soton5teve]

Or any

[@chriscollins1525]

Why complain about Asian success? Your rationale is screwy.

[@erikjohn5502]

No way 😮

[@drmodestoesq]

Way.

[@cheerios0522]

We lost affirmative action because of a judge that was place on the bench because of his race (Clarence Thomas) to replace Thurgood Marshall

[@arpeggiatorful]

Racist

[@rusinoe8364]

That's pretty racist of you to say.

[@charlesmiv3842]

All of the conservative justices on the bench were also put there by presidents that didn't win the popular vote. The supreme court is inherently undemocratic.

[@cheerios0522]

@@rusinoe8364 it's not seeing if you go back and review clips H w Bush states he wanted a black voice on the bench to replace Thurgood Marshall

[@rusinoe8364]

@@cheerios0522 well, Clarence Thomas is an excellent judge and I respect him greatly. I have no doubt he deserves to be on the SC. If you think less of him because of his race, sounds like a personal problem.

[@karmakazi219]

Pleas put "podcast" (or whatever this is) in the video title because I'm not interested in this format.

[@kumbackquatsta]

if it weren't for east asians, society and humanity would just cease progressing. thank you!

[@AKing69]

😅😂

[@neal.karn-jones]

The absolute most racist comment I've seen in a long time.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

😂 Minions? Fraggle Rock?

[@thebestevertherewas]

And South Asians, especially Indians. Highest Household Income

[@jshawney3355]

​@@neal.karn-jonesblacks say that about themselves all the time. Racist?

[@CriticalThinker02]

Kenny Xu is correct. Also, this so called Asian “mythology” is not incorrect and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s reflective of the culture of so many Asian nations… Humility, respect, hard work. I see those traits in nearly every Asian person I’ve ever met. Why is that something to recoil from? No, not everyone is exactly the same or a monolith as you say, but why ignore statistics? We know Asians are involved in various facets of society and that’s all good. But why are you pointing to the America of the 1940’s as if that’s relevant context? Was there not anti-white/western sentiment in Asian countries in those days or generations before that? To then say that the country who supposedly hated you should’ve just automatically welcomed you in sounds weird and entitled. Why would so many people who think America hates them want to come here? Regarding black Americans, yes the problem IS them because Modern Black American culture is a mess. What do I mean by that? I mean the overwhelming numbers of absent fathers, glamorizing & glorifying thug/gang culture, normalization of sexual promiscuity, ongoing resentment and hate for white people, lack of personal responsibility, and self-alienation from the rest of American culture. Not to mention overwhelming numbers of violent crime & theft coming from the “black community” that nowadays is pretty much brushed aside by left wing community leaders, politicians, and pundits. Black Americans SHOULD take a lesson from others whose culture has taught them to be successful. They should be more humble, respectful, and hard working. They should complain less and forgive more. Those characteristics are sorely lacking among black Americans. Instead we see many who are perpetually angry, resentful, rude, entitled, and don’t seem to want to do the hard work that others do… including blacks from other nations. Black American kids are taught hatred for whitey from a very young age. This is still common among black families and is just laughed off. On top of all this, those black Americans who do try to better themselves often get chastised by others for doing so. Should we even get into the dynamic of those who are smeared as Uncle Toms & sellouts? Black Americans are keeping themselves down and only they have the power to lift themselves up, from the culture up, from the family up.

[@v.a.993]

You fail to acknowledge that when Black people did pull themselves up by their bootstraps, work hard and be family-orientated, they were attacked for it by whites and still accused of being lazy, un-American, uncivilized and more. In the immediate years following the end of slavery into the early part of the 20th century Black Wall Streets existed across the United States and Black people were very much the model minority and thriving> white people became mad and jealous that Black people were defying the stereotypes so white people destroyed Black Wall Streets and refused to provide reparations for that destruction or the land grants promised to Black people post slavery which would have helped Black people to acquire wealth and be even more self sufficient

[@stopgettingtriggered]

black culture allows them to blame "racism" for all their problems, so they have no reason to change for the better

[@kenthunt5424]

Everything you stated is utterly incorrect. Are their some that are guilty of what you mentioned? Yes but that's a very very small percentage white media has pushed that bs narrative. Census stats 64percent of black American men have reached middle class also stated by the CDC black fathers are the most involved fathers of any other demographic. Per capita percentage white men commit more crime. i.e. school shootings... never seen a black person do that yet. So how about doing a little research b4 spouting false narratives

[@dickmonddickelheimer9452]

3:40 YES!!!

[@wtfwtf89]

It's not a "model minority' myth" when academic outcomes almost perfectly correlates with group intelligence averages. African Americans make up 13% of college/university and 8% In Ivy League universities. That is a huge overrepresentation when one factors in the total population number of African Americans with upper percentile intelligence compared to other groups with higher average scores.

[@sayitloudblcknproud]

You do realize that in order for those AA’s who make up 13% of college/uni and 8% of Ivy’s were first admitted due to their scores, right? Affirmative Action ensured they were NOT discriminated against based on race. They had to have met ALL admission requirements.

[@flora936]

Do you also know that most of those 'African Americans' are actually African immigrants? And tend to test higher than Asians?

[@teme1207]

I miss the good vice

[@gmclucy]

no you just miss the VICE that didn't expose you to ideas that challenge your own, be careful on the internet and the algorithms that want to serve you content that you is agreeable and unchallenging to you, strive to do better and challenge your own ideas

[@teme1207]

@@gmclucy Its not that deep bro. I just prefer videos about interesting and possibly controversial topics over "How the Model Minority Myth Helped End Affirmative Action"