How the Netherlands Soured on Immigration

[@hans7856]

It's a misrepresentation to say that Wilders cannot form a government. Formations in the Netherlands have always taken several months, the average length since WW2 being 103 days. The previous formation even lasted 299 days. If he had formed a government already, he would have been considered very quick. If he does it before the end of February, he would still be faster than average. Again, this information is very easily accessible online...

[@reiudfgq3vrh34ur]

It Will take longer due to his só called `radicalism` in reality he also has intrests in another election since his pollimg above 30%

[@atmosfear667]

@@reiudfgq3vrh34ur "he also has intrests in another election since his pollimg above 30%" That will not happen soon. As soon as the PVV cannot form a gorvernment the second party GL/PVDA will get a chance to form a government and so on. Only when there is no possibility to form any kind of government there will be new elections.

[@focusonrevenues]

Remember TDLR is pro left and misreports anything that resembles the right.

[@ai-d2121]

I am convinced nothing will come out of it. Wilders simply is a populist reactionist. He is not PM material.

[@joehoe222]

Well spoken, Hans, here is a krentenbol!

[@ricequackers]

"Assimilated multiculturalism" seems to be what the majority of Europeans really want, rather than the creation of significant parallel societies that do not integrate or interact with the mainstream society, or do not even respect the basic values of a tolerant liberal democracy. It's this lack of integration that's seriously poisoned the well on immigration.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

A heavy accusations that immigrants are the ones with no respect for democracy, considering far right nativist groups throughout Europe have, over the past few years, manipulated legal loopholes in multiple countries to attack human rights and gain unjust lasting control in multiple governments, assaulted and removed laws and protections once considered nearly sacred in their power grabs, and when anyone has truly defeated them in free democratic elections they act violently and at times attempt actions such as assassination, intimidation, or attempt using the legal systems they manipulated to prevent elected governments from acting to stop their corruption

[@kelvindoang1228]

oi you speaking of islamophobic, you got liecense on that ?

[@Xo-3130]

​@@kelvindoang1228funny how the Islamic Party in the Neatherlands goes all "Multiculturalism good, Workers rights good" while promoting Social Reactionary policies that say Gays must be stoned. Yes, its a minority party but the fact it exists and other European Muslims are pushing for similar parties shows the biggest flaw in a modern multicultural Liberal society.

[@MMerlyn91]

No we don't multiculturalism at all, thank you very much, it's not a "must have" and, to quote the meme, "sounds good, doesn't work".

[@Vanillevirus]

@@MMerlyn91 you don't have multiculturalism. It's Islamic culture Obershadowing the dutch culture.

[@andriesbakker4861]

I used to support immigration, but i live close to Ter Apel, My countries largest refugee center... the amount of stabbings, arson, robberies, sexual assaults and vandalism made me turn to the PVV. A friend of mine her bike was stolen once, the police literally told us to check if it's at a refugee center, if not we could go back... we encounter two other people there looking for their stolen bikes and guess what? we all found them... It has become so bad that bus drivers refuse to stop near bus stops close to refugee centers due to the high amount of stabbings and sexual assault done bey refugees to other passengers in broad daylight... When i was a college teacher the school i worked at pooled the security with 2 local high schools so they could patrol all the way from the school property up until the train and bus station after a series of incident with refugees bothering girls from the schools (some as young as 13) with sexual remarks and threats... PVV's victory is not a surprise, it's a necessity.

[@xandk4009]

“bothering girls…some as young as 13” let me guess, are most of these “refugees” from a certain part of the world and adherents of a particular religion?

[@electricangel4488]

This is very common on the migration centers. Very few have less then 1 emergency service visit a week. And i mean police and ambulance both

[@cutebear1817]

Damn

[@ManuelaOliveiraMusic]

It almost looks like people that are traumatized, pennyless, forced to live in appalling conditions, forced to resort to extreme measures and that lived in violent dog-eat-dog countries and that still struggle to survive somehow have a different behaviour from the people that never had to expirience any of that. I wonder why. It must have something to do with the collor of their skin or their religion, not their background or the situation they were forced to endure… 🙄

[@electricangel4488]

@@ManuelaOliveiraMusic you have never been to a migration center

[@0cene]

As a dutchman I have no problem with immigrants that share the same values, like woman rights, cartoonrights, etc.

[@bloodfiredrake7259]

Cartoonrights?

[@evansnyamesah1755]

​@@bloodfiredrake7259basically doing whatever the fuck you want rights 😂😂😂. Some people don't allow that

[@peterfireflylund]

What if they are much dumber (on average) than the existing population? Because most of them are…

[@eoinoconnell185]

@@bloodfiredrake7259 Draw a cartoon of Muhammad and see what happens to you.

[@wooltron1]

So I assume you dislike the invasion?

[@KevinArdala01]

The Dutch are responding to reality. The same thing is happening in Sweden (and all over Europe). It's a bad situation and there's one obvious denominator - mass Islamic migration and the subsequent hostility and lack of integration that inevitably follows.

[@reiudfgq3vrh34ur]

​@@Besthinktwicesadly its the reality lol

[@salkoharper2908]

@@Besthinktwice On an individual level, many Muslims can work with, go to school with and live next to Europeans. The issue comes, when 100,000s Muslim migrants arrive. Then they refuse to integrate, they try and change laws, segregate themselves and some radical ones even commit violence. This is the truth, as depressing as it is. It is what the last few years have proved.

[@electricangel4488]

​@@Besthinktwiceand reality is thst migration is hurting thr countries of europe. The people not the gdp. Because those are diffrent things

[@harveyneedleman817]

Absolutely correct, Kevin.

[@PixelTrooper]

The actual problem is unchecked student and labor immigrants. that group has grown in size while asylum seekers has stayed roughly the same (except for a spike in ukrainian refugees at this time).

[@peterd788]

Mass-immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for most European countries. The electorates are sick and tired of mainstream politicians ignoring them. We've ended up with this sort of leader because the mainstream leaders couldn't give a damn.

[@mathyeuxsommet3119]

Based mainstream leaders.

[@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384]

We ended up with these kind of leaders because the weak sperms who lap up this channels leftist drivel endlessly as well as all our leftist media outlets spewing garbage into our brains daily

[@toggle2565]

@@Besthinktwice it is a fact look at countries like germany, oh poor germany i feel for the germans you know

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@Besthinktwice😂😂😂 population growth? WTF cares if is not your people it is a bad thing it means your people are diminishing in proportion so loosing power.... It's a terrible thing.

[@justthymen5363]

@@Besthinktwiceyou forgot the troubles around paris last year my friend ?😂

[@jostijnvanbemmelen2056]

When reporting on immigration, it's important to give a bit more context. The amount of immigrants is made up of different groups. For 2022, the 61% increase of immigrants compared to 2021 was due to increases in more than one of these groups. There was an increase of asylum seekers (+33%), but also the arrival of 104.000 Ukrainian refugees, more international students and highly skilled migrants (kennismigranten). In the meantime, 179.000 people migrated out of the Netherlands, resulting in a net positive of 224.000. Just sharing this for others to get the full picture.

[@karankapoor2701]

But Ukrainian one's are the one's causing problems

[@gillsejusbates6938]

Individuals from 'non-Western' immigration background make up 14% of the population in the Netherlands. However, they account for a large portion of those implicated: 🔞 Sexual offenses: ~35% 🔪 Assaults: ~40% 💉 Drug offences: ~40% 👊 Violent thefts: ~60%

[@gillsejusbates6938]

The suspect rates for populations of Maghrebi origin are even 5 times higher than those of Dutch who have no migratory background. In contrast, populations originating from East Asia exhibit rates similar to those of 'native' Dutch

[@gillsejusbates6938]

In the Netherlands, more than two-thirds of men of Moroccan origin have been suspected of a crime or offence before the age of 30.

[@gillsejusbates6938]

40% of individuals of Moroccan origin commit new offense(s) within 6 years, which is twice as much as 'native' Dutch individuals.

[@jpvansplunder]

Hi, Dutchie here! The past few years people have really started to notice the leniency around the pressure of integration if it comes to migrants. The call for migration workers from other places within the EU, together with the lax immigrationlaws for people outside of the EU that find The Netherlands attractive to settle down in, has noticeably made the place less... Dutch. The Netherlands has always been a country with a high English proficiency, but it seems that English is now becoming the go-to language in many places, including shops and cafe's. This in combination with the higher frequency of encounters of wrong-willing foreigners in big cities has pushed more people towards nationalism and a distaste for immigrants. As said, we have always been a hub for multiculturalism, but at least the immigrants of that time felt the need to adapt to the Dutch customs in some form. Now, to many Dutch people it feels like we are simply being overrun by foreigners, rather than feeling the obligation to harbor people who look for better lives.

[@rogink]

Brit here. I love NL, but of course the lingo is - well, weird to our ears. I know that it's easy to get around if you speak English as most people will understand. But I was a little surprised when I was waiting for a train on the Rotterdam metro. A couple of Indian guys approached, and without any hesitation, asked me in English "do you know where this train goes to ?"

[@teaser6089]

We don't feel that way, we risk of that actually becoming reality if we don't do nothing about it.

[@3TYKX]

Immigrants should adopt the values and culture and proficiency in the language of their host nation. They can keep their traditions and mother tongue so long as it does not conflict.

[@forgetful9845]

​@@roginkDon't see the problem with them asking a question? English is lingua franca in Europe

[@AG-en5y]

Can you teach me a bit more. What do you mean by them not adopting Dutch customs? Are they saying we want to start teaching kids arabic in school? Can you please elaborate more ?

[@nicobruin8618]

The souring on immigration is less abrupt then the election may seem to indicate. Centre/mainstream right wing parties, particularly the VVD, have pledged to reduce immigration for many years, Immigration has been a top issue among right wing voters for decades. Yet despite the VVD having headed every government since 2010, they have consistently failed to deliver on that promise. And whilst many voters have their apprehensions about Wilders and the PVV, that party has credibilty on the migration issue which the VVD entirely lacks.

[@Dianaranda123]

Not only has the VVD failed to deliver on the promise of reducing immigration. They only have had RECORD! high immigration compared to any previous administration, changing whole demographics of whole places.

[@randomhuman2595]

I see PVV doing the same thing as VVD by not actually reducing immigration. Just like Meloni has done in Italy

[@nicobruin8618]

@@randomhuman2595 They have not yet gotten into office, so I don't get how you're "seeing" that.

[@Dianaranda123]

@@randomhuman2595 I wouldnt be surprised if the PVV would do that, but for now they are still not in power. And being blocked by the lowerchamber. While they are still forming a coalition somehow.

[@ricequackers]

As a Brit, this story sounds eerily familiar 🤔

[@ashleycreek5764]

Unsustainable, Unchecked migration both legal and illegal are a considerable issue in all of the west.

[@ikeu6433]

In the Netherlands it sounds like the VVD took a step to make it sustainable and check it so good for them. Overly restrictive immigration laws are unsustainable as well look at Japan.

[@wvvwwvwvv]

@@ikeu6433 You mean being #3 in total wealth under USA and China? The main driving force of less babies is affordability. Encourage polices that encourage babies not random people from abroad.

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

​@@ikeu6433Some people blame Japan's low birth rate for it'd low migration but Germany also has low birth rates and has the second most immigrants in the world. The main issue ultimately is housing and general wealth. That's why you see countries that make policies that don't address the overall economy like paying people to have more children don't work.

[@hkonhelgesen]

@@ikeu6433Japan has the least poverty in the world. Japan is a sucsess .

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@ikeu6433 Japan is fine. A population will naturally stabilise after booms in childbirths leading to a wave in the demographics. Immigration to prop up the population growth model rather than a sustainable growth model that will naturally occur does nothing but erode at the culture and population already there.

[@FutureVegeta]

As a Dutchman I have to say you're only explaining part of it. Just immigrants coming to the Netherlands on it's own wouldn't be an issue, so why is it? There's currently a housing crisis going on in the Netherlands, but for some reason housing can be found for immigrants, but not for citizens. Besides that there are a lot of immigrants that are just plain criminals. So we're housing criminals that come from another country, but we don't have any housing for our own citizens, obviously something has to change and we're hoping Wilders will bring us that change, since it doesn't look like anyone else will.

[@DenUitvreter]

We also should stop pretending that immigrants stop being immigrants the year after they came in. It's accumulating and even a lot of the 3rd generation have immigration background related problems like they arrived last month or even worse.

[@FutureVegeta]

@@Besthinktwice What does that have to do with our housing issue?

[@randomhuman2595]

What percentage of homeless people in the Netherlands of immigrants?

[@FutureVegeta]

@@randomhuman2595 You realize a housing problem doesn't necessarily mean many people are homeless? What it does mean is that people are unable to move out of their parents house because there's nowhere to go. Elderly people that want to move out of their house to make space for others can't, because once again, there's no place to go. We only have about 30k homeless people in the Netherlands (legal at least) and from what I can find less then half is foreign.

[@jildert.]

The housing crisis is ridiclously complex and it cannot be described as ¨housing can be found for immigrants, but not for citizens.¨ Housing cannot be found for immigrants, they cant be found for anyone within the middle and lower classes. The immigrants that do possess a proper house are often those that come here working for the multinationals and benefit from the expat tax cut. That group isn't that big to successfully hijack the housing market. If you want to include the Ukrainian refugees that came here as a problematic group that has found housing as opposition to Dutch folk you would have point. A lot of effort went in to help the Ukrainian people to settle here, either by guest families or old buildings that were scheduled to be demolished. The dreaded ´asylum seekers´ arent even 20 percent of the total immigration numbers and only 8 per cent of the ones which have received asylum have access to social housing. Truth is, our housing market is a casino where there never can be any losers.

[@You-mr3lo]

The problem with the VVD is, they have been in power for 13 years. There are several "alternative" parties that scored high in the polls (first BBB, then NRC, then PVDA/GL and then PVV). You can tell from the polls that it is mainly an anti-VVD vote. VVD is partly the reason that PVV became even bigger, by teasing a possible government with a large VVD and a smaller PVV. VVD promises all kinds of things (wait a while with the distribution law) and then agrees.

[@arturobianco848]

Biggest mistake they ever made. Campaigning on an issue that the PVV owns and also Campaigning on fear instead of a policy that offers solutions.

[@eeshtarr]

taking 50 years is _not_ a U-turn, it's just a turn :p

[@xander9460]

For more context. The Netherlands has approximately 17,671,000 inhabitants start 2024. In 2023 net 224.000 people immigrated in. That's an increase of 1.26% by immigration alone in a single year. Let's say we house these people in 4-person family units. That's 56.000 entry level family homes that would've needed to be built last year. We build in total about 70.000 new houses in 2023. This however is of all kinds and not just entry level homes, but a mix of social, mid-range, rental, luxury, etc. To boot we already had a shortage of 303.00 houses, which as a result has increased to 317.000. (Assuming the 4-person family unit that's That means, 17,671,000 inhabitants (17.9% of total pop) of the Netherlands can't get a home. That means almost 1 in 5 people. Despite having money. Can't get a home because there's no home to buy/rent. I'm Center left politically. But even I can see that we just can't accept more people. For political context: these problems have been the direct result of the VVD. Whom directly cut home building funds in favor for funding office/corperate building, in the last year Premier Balkenende (VVD) was leading the government. The VVD was also central in forming the immigration policies that have led us to the current problems. Having been at the helm (with exclusively center-right wing coalitions, we've not seen a left party in a coalition since premier Kok.) for the past 20 years. If there's one thing the left and right in the Netherlands agree upon: Fck the VVD.

[@SuperJibulus]

This will eventually happen to all of Europe and the U.K. if things don’t change

[@ai-d2121]

What must be changed?

[@randomhuman2595]

Opposite happened in Poland

[@ReachTea]

UK is already an Islamic state

[@acommenter]

The UK is not a democracy, it has first past the post so there is 0 accountability for either wing failing to meet their promises and we don't have the US's primary system to shake up the incumbent parties.

[@SuperJibulus]

@@ai-d2121 illegal migration

[@thefisherking78]

Man, I've spent most of my life in multicultural environments and I really enjoy diverse culture and food, but allocating tax dollars to pay people to resist assimilation seems like a very counterproductive thing for a nation state to do. As much as I enjoy intercultural interaction and communication, there is such a thing as too much too fast too far.

[@15justt]

It's really dumb, they're essentially financing losing their own culture and creating ghettos, instead of doing proper integration right off the bat. And, the longer these people stay in the country without being integrated, the harder it becomes to then integrate them. Good luck integrating someone who has been 10+ years in a country and hasn't yet learned the language

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

i will never understand the food argument cookbooks exist

[@KFbz39]

@@ashardalondragnipurake Honestly it's such a poor argument fr

[@thefisherking78]

@@ashardalondragnipurake lolol to be clear I'm not arguing for more migration just to make cuisine more interesting, I'm just saying I enjoy fusion 😅

[@dorino9057]

@@ashardalondragnipurake nope the food is made best by the people who know how to cook it best and it’s far more delicious because it has seasoning unlike your bland food

[@ifer1280]

Correction: he called for fewer Moroccans, no context given. Many interpreted that as forced deportation of Dutch citizens of Moroccan descent. That's why he got in trouble with the law.

[@ifer1280]

And abolishing religious schools of any affiliation is definitely against the constitution.

[@M-tl4xt]

Moroccans should not be given citizenship, period.

[@JR47846]

@@ifer1280 the constitution can change and should change ,since when it was created people didnt have in mind every scenario including the large movement of people of religions that are fundamental against european and dutch values

[@peterfireflylund]

Lots of Moroccans are in trouble with the law…

[@a.brekkan4965]

​@@ifer1280 Constitutions are man-made, hence they can be changed. I guess The Netherland`s con isn't the same it was 300 years ago!

[@vanDaalstad]

The Pillarized society of the Netherlands is such an important aspect to Dutch culture and you rarely hear about it in foreign discussions about the Dutch

[@kimwit1307]

That pillarization is not nearly as prevalent anymore as it was before WW2. the only that more or less still exists is that of the hardcore christians.

[@ericboxer3053]

They aren't "asylum seekers" they are illegal aliens

[@the_spicesea_admiral]

That's because dutch pillarisation is dead since ww2 when we had to work together if we wanted to survive

[@happyhapsly]

I Guess the pillar system still is a thing but instead of libertarians socialists catholic and Protestants you now have socialist libertarians Christians and racist.

[@Jazzisa311]

I think because largely, it's not like that anymore.

[@neworderadherent]

The european countries need serious reform, i can't speak for others but the only people who should be accepted are the ones ready to learn the language and assimilate into the general population. I'm a moderate its sad to see how many governments have caved in to the vocal wacko side of political groups.

[@IgnemFeram01]

This is why I'm learning German.

[@blacklighthologram5339]

Fully agreed

[@brittgayle467]

Where was that requirement when they were colonizing other countries?

[@neworderadherent]

@JeanFoutre-yi5us No. Not in the slightest. When i say "moderate" i mean i like to follow logic and reason, and i don't generalize entire groups of people. Unlike yourself.

[@lewis123417]

​@@brittgayle467 you think that's an appropriate comment to make when talking about modern day policy making?

[@liverpoolynwa9029]

It might be important to add that Mark Rutte and the VVD always presented themselves as being strict on migration but nothing really changed when they were in power, also because they always formed a coalition with centrist and leftist parties who were fine with migration

[@nenasiek]

Same here in sweden regarding the social democrats

[@DenUitvreter]

No, because they are liars who want more immigrants. It's the only way they can make GDP increase, just force more people in and increase taxes to pay for them.

[@Derlo123]

This is false. VVD voter base includes includes a lot of wealthy people that benefit from cheap labour from eastern europe and high skilled labour from asia and such. VVD has to weigh the needs of this part of their base against the voters that are primarilly atracted to the anti-imigration retoric. Besides the VVD is wel known to be suceptible to lobbying by big companys.

[@liverpoolynwa9029]

@@Derlo123 It is not false, every poll on immigration among voters shows that VVD voters want The Netherlands to be stricter on immigration

[@kaasmeester5903]

@@liverpoolynwa9029 He's just doing what politicians and press are doing all the time: conflating the various types of immigration we have, to argue their point. We have: 1) Temp labor (from the EU) 2) Temp labor, skilled (from outside the EU) 3) Temp labour, unskilled (from outside the EU) 4) Economic refugees (from outside the EU) not necessarily looking to legally work here 5) Refugees (Ukraine) 6) Refugees (Other conflict areas) 7) Refugees (Individually persecuted) 8) Safe-landers (Apply for refugee status, knowing that they do not qualify) Very few people here have issues with workers from groups 1 and 2, and would allow group 3 under some conditions. They bring skills and tax revenue. Few people have issues with groups 5 and 7. For group 6, it really depends on where they are from: are they culturally compatible, are they willing to integrate, and so on. An NO ONE except a few deluded do-gooders want groups 4 and 8. Most of the discussion is on the number of immigrants in group 6, and the manner in which we should deal with the criminal element in group 8 (a very large part of that group). And yet, when people discuss them they always mention the fact that these are only a very small part of the total of immigration. And when people object to certain groups, or demand that members of certain groups be granted refugee status, their opponents will always bring up all the other groups as well. Very few people are looking at these groups individually.

[@benjamingroeneweg4097]

We have a housing crisis: not enough houses, average price of a house 400.000€. Going to work is a nightmare, the traffic jams start early and end late during rush hours in the morning and evening. There are areas where native dutch people are clearly in the minority. Black schools, islamic schools, parallel societies, this cannot end well. Over representation in crime statistics, every native dutch person has a story with an aggressive encounter with the "new Dutch" We are already jam packed with people, why do we need more? Especially those not from western countries who lack the skills to come along in our societies. And EVERYDAY on the radio you hear about immigrants. On the one hand the news is about trouble they cause to the local people, or between themselves. Last week a fight between immigrants broke out and someone got stabbed in the face. This happened on a train station notorious for having immigrants causing trouble. Or bus drivers getting beaten. This is an almost everyday thing. And then the other news you hear is that we not only take in more immigrants, but will be spreading them all over the country, possibly turning every village to a mini-Ter Apel. This needs to end, and at the root. We don't want ro end up like Sweden. I would like for my children and their children's children to be save and feel at home in their own country.

[@cutebear1817]

Spot on. There's obviously a big problem and the locals know it

[@MarceloMercadoDespot]

I’ve lived 4 years in Den Haag, I truly loved the country, it’s history and traditions and the liberal attitude. Gezellig and Doe Normaal became two aspects it trully tried to adopt because I was a guest there. I saw people adapt and try to adapt, but sadly I’ve also saw groups that didn’t even tried and even tried to impose their contradictory values to their “communities”

[@simonh6371]

I lived over a decade in NL, now back in the UK. I think there are problems there but at least they are not afraid to call a spade a spade there, whereas people in the UK like to virtue signal by putting foreigners and anything foreign on a pedestal, plus being afraid that just saying things like ''this is how we do things in the UK'' are seen as ''racist''. I've lived in a few other countries too - Germany, Austria, Spain, South Africa - and there it was completely normal and even helpful of people there to tell you about their customs and quirks and of course it was normal and expected that one would adhere to or at least respect those. The lack of integration in the UK and the imposition of others' values, or lack of people speaking out when others don't respect our values, is probably the worst in Europe. I live in a residential area of London and when I walk 15 mins through the park to my supermarket, 80% of the conversations I hear, whether on the phone or in person, are not in English. Where in the Netherlands - except of course for the tourist infested parts of central Amsterdam - would you walk down the street and 80% of people are speaking languages other than Dutch? Not even in Bos en Lommer or Osdorp is that the case.

[@heinkle1]

@@simonh6371this is very true - it’s post-imperial guilt we’ve still not faced up to and I suspect it will be too late by the time people are out on the streets in violent opposition to how much society has changed. The left is now basically anti-West, which means broadly aligning with fascist religious extremists. Corbyn a great example.

[@patriot77185]

and that is the problem, islam will never integrate into our culture in the west.

[@user-pg5re1cg7d]

​@@simonh6371What is wrong with other languages being spoken and btw in NL you have quite a bit of places where migrants mostly European don't speak the language they speak English instead I don't have a problem with that. Tbh I don't really see the problems with migrants if you behave normally I don't have a problem with you same for Dutch people

[@simonh6371]

@@user-pg5re1cg7d Nothing wrong with other languages being spoken, but living in a country and not even trying to speak the language of that country is wrong on every level.

[@lance8080]

More men like this leader is needed.

[@honkhonk8009]

Shit I aint even white, but I agree with this guy. Integration is easy in the US, cus our culture is really dominant. Also because were a country of immigrants, which is why were so big on individualism. If you act like a fool, then your of limited drain on the rest of society. But in France, Netherlands, and other countries, its completely different story. Yall basically learning immigration the hard way. Immigration only works when social services are limited to those immigrants.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

I’d love to see a country ban immigration for a period just to see the outcomes from a research perspective

[@goose9515]

Just look at Japan, their economy has been stagnating since the 90s cause they're too racist to let anyone in

[@nathanielmartins5930]

The world might accuse it of being Isolationist and bring the US over to "Diplomatically" Open up

[@jildert.]

hahaahh the dutch economy would collapse holyshit, call this a spoiler alert

[@STEP107]

@@jildert.not really reducing immigration almost always helps the economy because locals wages go up a ton because capitalists cant exploit immigrants for under minimum wage. Happened in america after trump won the economy peaked.

[@ludicrousreality0]

we already have japan and s . korea ,you can see their outcomes

[@jwb_666]

"sudden" yeah because the people of Europe haven't been complaining about this since 2010

[@zupergut3015]

Full support to Geert and People of Netherlands🙌

[@kjeldversleijen1067]

We dont want your support

[@zupergut3015]

@@kjeldversleijen1067 don't worry i am not giving you any support plebeian, it's for the people of Netherlands on the right path

[@kjeldversleijen1067]

@@zupergut3015 They don't want it eighter. As you can see clearly from the results of the last election, we do not want anyone that is foreign interfering or including themselves anymore in our politics.

[@kjeldversleijen1067]

@@zupergut3015 so keep your so called support for yourself, we got things perfectly figured out without you

[@kjeldversleijen1067]

@@zupergut3015 Who are these people on the right path you speak of? I am very happy with the last results. There was too much foreign interference. Thats why I said that we dont want your support. We finally got the country back for ourselves, so leave us alone

[@Whatisnottaken]

I salute Wilders for spelling out very clearly what other politicans and leaders are too afraid to say or even whisper. Nobody has the right to condemn him for his honesty and courage to do what is best for his country. If what Wilders proposed is unconstitutional, it is up to law makers to change it in the interest of all indigenous Dutch and truly peace loving people. It is still not too late for leaders from both sides of the poltical divide to wake up to facts about problems caused by mass immigration. Mult-culturism only works if the people allowed in by the hundreds of thousands respect your values and way of life. From what we have seen so far, people from certain communities even want to impose their own laws based on their religious beliefs.

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

I used to go there 3-5 times a year when I lived in the middle east. By the time of my last pre-pandemic visit there had been numerous stories about Amsterdamers being fed up with tourists. I kept track during the lockdown and was surprised to read stories of how happy Amsterdamers were to have the city to themselves.

[@alexandru5369]

Cause alot of tourists have become obnoxious brats. Alot of cities that are tourism hot spots are restricting tourism

[@arnaldoleon1]

Experiencing tourist-free Europe during the pandemic was a very special once in a century gift

[@looseycanon]

They'll have a proper hangover, when tourism based shops close down and unemployment actually hits Amsterdam.

[@Ramotttholl]

Cities are terrible eitherway

[@Bergamot88]

If there is too many Muslims.. why would you be surprised when they are happier with fewer?

[@theglanconer6463]

A fair impression of the current situation. Thank you ! (in the latest poll Wilders got 1 of every 3 Dutch votes and he's still rising)

[@andico6614]

Proud of the dutch people finally waking up. Good thing they have a brave person like Wildur in government.

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

It really was about time, and it was a process that took around 30 years. In the 1990s, one of the first politicians to openly criticize immigration, Janmaat, was - just for his opinion - attacked, shamed and anyone who spent time with him was cancelled. Mostly because of Wilders and his electoral gains can we in the Netherlands now finally openly have an open and honest debate on immigration and foreigners.

[@longiusaescius2537]

Exactly

[@PistonHonda87]

Nothing wrong with wanting to keep your country for your own people.

[@lero_]

Yup I agree with this actually but this isn't fit with every country, for example countries that have a colonial history or countries that cause chaos in other countries

Nah they're fault they got conquered. Don't blame the current folks.​@@lero_

[@lero_]

well, we dont live in the dark ages, Europeans are still in Palestine till this day

[@shokoBM]

As a tourist, when I come to beautiful Amsterdam, I want to enjoy the beautiful city and it's people. I don't come all the way to the Netherlands to see Mslms. I have plenty of them back home, in Sweden.

[@-haclong2366]

02:35 Technically most Hispanic, Greek, Italian, and Moroccan guest labourers returned to their own countries. Of the Moroccans in the Netherlands today 94% have no relation to the guest labourers and while the guest labourers mostly came from major cities most Moroccans in the Netherlands are from the Rif area.

[@DenUitvreter]

No, the Moroccans born from guest workers had a marriage arranged with their cousin in Morocco so a bigger part of the family could get access to Dutch welfare too.

[@Moreso_fly]

@@DenUitvreter lmao thats wrong

[@DenUitvreter]

@@Moreso_fly It's a charicature but not free from truth. Much of the Moroccan community's growth has come from marriage with a Moroccan and the resulting children.

[@metsglukh]

I’ve lived in the Netherlands for the past five years (and not really planning to stay) and it’s very clear to me that the Dutch culture and language are slowly dying, especially in bigger cities or even towns. Even when I came in 2018 things weren’t as bad, but now, especially when you add the fact that the costs of living and rent are rising and not slowing down, no wonder a guy like Wilders was getting more and more popular. Nothing against Muslims or immigrants, as I am one myself technically, but the Netherlands is no longer Dutch lol.

[@Pieter-Jan]

An interesting side effect is that since the elections, the formation of a new cabinet has actually only been about the constitutionality of the PVV's program instead of really looking for common ground and seeing whether the various parties want to form a cabinet.

[@DenUitvreter]

Nonsense. The left and the media is trying to claim the constitution and the rule of law like it is their party program, but the new thing is that government candidate NSC wants to restore the rule of law in the Nehterlands, the VVD especially has some explaining to do and so would the liberal and left wing parties if they were at the table.

[@PixelTrooper]

Also the financials. Wilders' plans would cause inflation again which is something we absolutely cannot afford at the moment. His complete denial of climate change being our responsibility is also a major source of conflict

[@tobiasjulian]

The only leader who has an ultra long vision.Geert Wilders 🙏✝️

[@znotch87]

The problem has been caused by government (VVD) defunding of the immigration system and selling off (privatizing) social housing without replacement.

[@daanschravendijk9269]

Hoewel dat een onderdeel van het probleem is kan je niet ontkennen dat de aantallen die naarbinnen komen niet tegen op te bouwen is.

[@meni2410]

Nope the problem is Islam. No issues with other migrants

[@Jajalaatmaar]

Keep in mind that this was all done with way lower population projections. Building a house from plan to house takes 10 years in the Netherlands. If we built enough for the population projection of 10 years ago we would have built 250.000 houses too little because the population grew 500.000 more than projected. Not to say that the policy wasn't bad, but it wouldn't have been done if we had lower migration or more accurate projections (which is basically impossible with migration).

[@lokensicarius9347]

exact same problem in the UK, its bonkers.

[@mathyeuxsommet3119]

It's always about building more hourses.

[@Chag69420]

Why would they leave if you allow them to make their home in your country with all of their cultural trappings?

[@paulheydarian1281]

Because they bring their exotic cuisine and alien customs to "enrich" the local Dutch Culture. If you're a Dutchie, you should feel enriched.

[@larryc1616]

Just import their young woman to work in their red windows for taxes

[@soundscape26]

It depends on what you consider trappings.

[@Elemblue2]

@@soundscape26 Ideas about it being ok to enslave people.

[@goose9515]

​@@paulheydarian1281food from Suriname is extremely popular in the Netherlands

[@aviefern]

As someone who has been an immigrant, I think that assimilation is the most important thing. When I studied in the US on a student visa, I became fully culturally American. I was in Texas, so I got cowboy boots, listened to country music, learned to two-step, ate barbecue, and much more. I did it out of a love and appreciation for the country that gave me an opportunity. If I ever live in the Netherlands, I would be fully Dutch.

[@forgetful9845]

I think you can assimilate while also holding onto your traditions

[@francbele]

If all immigrants were like you, I think there wouldn't be even any discussion about it all. But here in Europe absolutely no one has your values and mindset. No love or appreciation. It even goes so far that the "immigrants" come to collect the money the state has prepared for them and then just leave the country.

[@mihaibalint4952]

@@forgetful9845 yes , as long the those values are in check with the values of the country you are in …. You can’t do something that’s acceptable in your home country and expect that the guest country to accept it Z

[@ireenbanda625]

You should only do that if they do the same in Africa period . Change their name, language, culture then maybe until then stick to yours.

[@aviefern]

@@forgetful9845, certain traditions, sure, but it's important not to impose your traditions on others. It helps that I'm an atheist, so I don't have any religious traditions.

[@corsacs3879]

i think all of europe is souring on immigration because the numbers are becoming unbearable. i’ve always considered myself on the left and so have many of my friends but nearly all of them are now agreeing that migration should be reduced because there’s just too many problems. i don’t blame the netherlands for taking this turn, wilders is a bit extreme for me and potentially many but it makes complete sense.

[@mathyeuxsommet3119]

You far-right.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@mathyeuxsommet3119i voted the left my entire life.... NO MORE.

[@extrapolate]

@@mathyeuxsommet3119you’re a joke. Anyone that refuses to embrace the mass invasion of Islamists is called far right. You haven’t gotten it yet have you? The majority of us are sick of it, even those of us who are generally left wing on social issues like lgbtq rights and women rights. You’re welcome to move to those countries if you’ll miss them so much

[@randomhuman2595]

Wilders is too authoritarian

[@itsmwambintime4254]

The amount is not the problem, the problem is how it's getting handled. And one thing everyone keeps forgetting that it's very easy to say: reduce the migration, but very hard to excecute. The only viable way to reduce migration is by passing laws against exploitation of migrant workers (this should be done anyway), which means that employers won't attract as many migrants. This is not right-wing policy however, especially not BBB- or VVD-policy, because their voters profit of of this exploitation

[@ThePatxiao]

I think the flaw was not integrating the schools. The separate hospitals and media was always going to happen but the schools needed to be integrated. Besides just teaching kids of immigrants the language, it also teaches the Dutch kids that despite not looking like them, they are Dutch which allows a lot more tolerance.

[@dixonhill1108]

Wait are you claiming they actually give them Islamic schools? That cannot be possible, if so move.

[@magicpants3822]

"Odd looking fella" - Was this really necessary ? Surely you can report the news without getting personal ?

[@JamesKooper]

Bias of the channel coming through

[@magicpants3822]

@@JamesKooper Not really Bias - pure unprofessionalism

[@olekfornal4036]

Water and oil just don't mix

[@samedwards6683]

Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative and timely video. Great job. Keep it up.

[@janebishop5885]

The western world has had too much migration and it's time to call a halt to anyone but Ukrainians in Europe who need temporary permission to enter with the understanding that they return to Ukraine. ...it should be that no migrants of incompatible cultures are accepted. No matter how harsh it may sound, i would also say that Western values also include low birth rate rate and migrants should have to pledge that they will restrict their family to replacement numbers. As far as i can see, that should be adopted as a mission statement around the world. Though some will say that's wrong, it is is only common sense and if the world had done this several decades ago, we would be in much better shape ! Mr. Wilders, on the immigration issue, is spot on .

[@esther7867]

Yes it is a real issue, the birth rate... I used to think that the newer generations of children of migrants would adjust to Dutch society and start having fewer children, but nope, they start having children at age 20 and don't stop at 1.....

[@lero_]

What about the middle east country that have European immigrants put on there lands by force and are causing chaos there? And what about the European countries with colonial history?

[@thepowerflow1]

The dutch only voted in this guy because the discussion was put in a pressure cooker, never to be spoken about, never to be mentioned but if mentioned always ridiculed. But as often is the case reality often comes with a vengeance.

[@Infected_Apple]

Oh please migration has been discussed ad nauseum every election since Fortuyn

[@lewis123417]

​@Infected_Apple until recently it was dismissed as a far right talking point and peoples concerns not taken seriously or just outright ignored

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@Infected_Appletalk is cheap. People got fed up and voted for someone they trusted would actually act and not just talk about it.

[@zoopa9988]

@@Besthinktwice If they would do another vote he would get almost 50%

[@DenUitvreter]

The radical demographic change of the Netherlands was never openly chosen for, it has been sneaked through under the guise of 'refugees', the higher education in English, which is against the law actually, and so called 'skilled migrants' and lately Ukrainian refugees. The people never wanted that and never chose for that, the realized the only way to change that was to vote Wilders because the VVD is a bunch of liars who broke up the government over immigration for another attempt to win the elections with a false anti-immigration promise.

[@PioterCygan]

Damn, every time you try to explain government change that is shifting to the right you are giving clear hints to make us think its bad

[@autumnjacaranda106]

Because it is. Most Dutch voters don’t like Wilders’ other policies but voted for him out of frustration from one or two wedge issues

[@ksawery8654]

@@autumnjacaranda106 just cause you dont like it doesnt mean its bad

[@captainvanisher988]

@@autumnjacaranda106 Insane cope.

[@doomerbloomer6160]

@@captainvanisher988 it's true of the dutch and it's true of the most of europe. far right parties are getting bigger because of wedge issues, not because of overall ideological preferences. the one that's coping like a tard is you

[@indybruining]

Yeah they are clearly left biased in their personal lives but i think they do a decent job of trying to be impartial. It's probably not fair to expect 100% unbiased views from people. I do wonder if they know how they come across.

[@TheEnglishOne]

Absolutely amazing! Beautiful! ❤ we need the same here in england, desperately

[@optimize.]

We need to get more specific. We in NL have issues with certain probematic immigrant groups that harbor anti-social, criminal, anti-democratic and /or culturally-misfit attitudes. These are statistically significant amounts of certain groups. Not all groups and not everyone in those groups, but high-enough numbers to warrant a targeted approach. By being too general in our statements we make it harder to solve the problems and it is growing year over year. We need zero tolerance on anti-democratic and anti-social behavior. If we create a system that promotes better behavior we will increase acceptance of good immigrants.

[@MorbidGrizzly14]

It’s also worth noting that the VVD leadership actually opposed the new law, but the VVD fraction in the senate decided to vote for it anyway. Part of the reason Wilders is mad is because he is questioning how reliable the VVD can be if they don’t have control over their own party.

[@I70_0I7]

is it me or the new studio setup with all the bright lights shining right into the camera makes the whole video look foggy?

[@soundscape26]

Yes, not sure why they go with this foggy look... doesn't look great.

[@ProfessionalBadPerson]

We hebben een serieus probleem lmao

[@yugiohfanatic1964]

so good

[@JaegerDreadful]

It's name is the PVV.

[@LifeisajokeER]

Nederexist

[@gillsejusbates6938]

meer buitenlanders, meer meer meer

[@FictionHubZA]

Dutch is just silly English.

[@AL-ku1zq]

Immigration at the levels that developed economies are seeing is unsustainable under the best circumstances. The fact that a huge, huge number of immigrants practice an ideology that is incompatible with the countries they have moved to and feel they have the right to takeover certainly makes the issue much worse. Many countries are going to find they will need to fight civil wars to regain their identities. The wealthy; through the WEF, the EU, and the UN; have knowingly created this issue and have to be held accountable, as do the politicians who've been bought. there needs to be removal of the corporate socialism (the newish national socialism) from government and bureaucracy at all levels.

[@roejogan2693]

I agree with the first part but I think there are less bloody ways to solve it than your suggested solution in the second part

[@Oendikla]

they just want to deport poor people regardless of "culture", religion, language skills, education etc. they hate Eastern Europeans the same way they hate muslims

[@AL-ku1zq]

@@roejogan2693 Do you have any examples that have worked?

[@Keyboardje]

I agree with you, except for the part about the civil wars. Getting people to fight and start civil wars is part of the WEF plans. That's what they aim for in order to have the excuse of that "violence" to call in the armies, so they can legally kill the uprising people, after which there will be no longer be any real resistance to the WEF. Klaus Schwab himself said so, laughing.

[@sharkpyro93]

@@roejogan2693 if things dont change unfortunately it will end with a witch hunt

[@normsky5504]

The Netherlands became a victim of their own renowned tolerance.

[@Serk221]

I always found quite interesting how many northern governments and citizens have criticized policies in countries like Spain and Italy that had a bigger influx of immigrants. It's easy to take the high/superior ethical position when you are far away from the issue, but once it reach you, you can see how complicated this is. Immigration is such a complex topic, and it's wrong to oversimplify it to support anti or pro immigration arguments

[@nenasiek]

Its done by politicians that see it as racism, even they cant ignore the problem anymore

[@peterfireflylund]

The migrants in Italy/Spain were just passing through in order to get to Northern Europe. We got to carry the burden of them, you got to pat yourselves on the shoulder for being “humane”. We have now made it harder for them to reach us, so now you are stuck with more of them. Perhaps you should stop letting them in? As you write, “it’s easy to take the high/superior ethical position when you are far away from the issue”…

[@mathyeuxsommet3119]

No really we have data it's evident who is living in another dimension here.

[@Serk221]

@@peterfireflylund they were not just passing through, many immigrants stayed in those countries and it's visible and there are numbers backing that up, but yeah, make this a fight of "we" vs "you" instead of just accepting that this is a complex issue

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@Besthinktwicethat policy hasn't even been tried 🤡 you are waiting to become like swedistan? To realize something?

[@internetchunk6541]

Immigrants from Europe and muslim immigrants are two completely opposite subjects. The latter in an overwhelming majority does not want to assimilate/integrate into the country's culture (where they're imigrating). They don't follow laws and social rules established there and continue to exercise their own wants.

[@Itsvivx99]

But Indonesian immigrants in the Netherlands assimilated well

[@EricvanDorp007]

I am Dutch and you tell me certain things I did not know, so subscribed and liked the upload...

[@alexanderprivate7233]

The thing in the Netherlands rn is that we have many citizens who are 3rd or 4th gen immigrants, these people are noticing the same issues as all the others which is mainky the housing crisis. When a dutch becomes an adult at 18 they now have to wait 10years to apply for social housing. On top of that foreign students and workers are benefiting way more then dutch citizens when it comes to taxing and housing. Even pro immigrants now see the worsening situation for new immigrants. Longer and longer wait lists, extremely bad temporary housing conditions. To the point where flying doctors and the red cross had to visit our country to help immigrants.

[@lolmenx4]

"We hebben een serieus probleem" dutch is not a real language i swear but i do agree illegal immigration and the lack of integration of migrants into society is a BIG issue.

[@hansdeleeuw4431]

The Dutch are extremely hardworking people Their country runs like clockwork. Being Dutch but not living there I am saddened that Holland moved left so much. Back in the 70's I saw how the hippies shat on the Dam in Amsterdam, in the 80's how prostitutes were placed in in windows in Amsterdam to fuck with pedestrians and now how Holland has become the drug centre of Europe. But the Dutch are still conservative under all of this lunacy that has happened. It is therefore not surprising that the Dutch have finally said enough is enough and voted for Wilders. My late parents were flower growers and they were the salt of the earth people. Good as gold. I hope the Dutch don't lose their beautiful country.

[@FredSveru.]

I think dutch ppl are tired of having ppl who are against the lgbt communityand women. You can't be tolerant towards the intolerants.

[@bunnystrasse]

Islmmmmmm

[@emr7712]

He is not odd looking. He is pleasing to the eye and makes sense.

[@emmajones8590]

That's just an opinion. Most ppl I know, think he looks weird as sh*t. But then a lot of ppl do. His appearance isn't the problem.

[@millanferende6723]

The fact that nobody in politics cares about extremism or that the local population feels foreign in their own land. Most of these people with such "ideologies" will never integrate and some will want YOU to live their way, when they get the chance. But you can't send out anyone either. That is why we must come up with "principles" for a good society here, and anyone who does not match these principles, GOES BACK. Example: A man at a immigration center, who refuses to talk to a woman, Because she is a woman. That man will go right back and only people who are social, open and Caring, will be allowed to enter. @@emmajones8590

[@fartexplosion4480]

He's part Indonesian

[@ls-l1518]

The people of Europe soured on immigration 20 years ago. Think how stupid our politicians are, thinking these people would leave.

[@NarrativeOfLifeM]

I've only been scammed by Moroccans in the Netherlands, my e-bike stolen by a Moroccan in front of me and I've been attacked by a group of Moroccans at night for no reason. All these happened in 2 years after I moved to the Netherlands. Seems like there is a clear pattern here and this guy sees it.

[@kayeka4123]

But they did take a moment to fill out your survey on ethnic demographics, which is nice.

[@hoti47]

​@kayeka4123 every statistic backs him up. Also you do know that morocans do look like Moroccans and speak their language, so it's easy to spot them.

[@bunnystrasse]

Islammmm

[@NarrativeOfLifeM]

@@kayeka4123 where are you from?

[@kayeka4123]

@@NarrativeOfLifeM Amsterdam, so let's just say that our anecdotes cancel each other out and skip the rest of the conversation

[@meh2972]

I like how you made Amsterdam the center of migrant distribution.

[@HermanDuyker]

... instead of the tiny town of Ter Apel, Groningen.

[@ringgame]

That’s how all capital cities are

[@ysbrandd]

@@ringgame but its very incorrect, Ter Apel is the center, its where most end up...

[@rhcpkp]

At this moment in the Netherlands there is a housing crisis. Assylum seekers get prioritized for low income housing over dutch people. International students get prioritized over dutch students for student housing. Expats are brought in by large companies and banks for high paid jobs, many of them don't rent but actually buy houses. You see dutch double income couples losing bidding wars on real estate. Lower income workers are brought in from eastern european companies for "jobs nobody wants to do". They live under inhumane circumstances and lately you even see them ending up homeless and living in tents. The pressure on infrastructure, health care and education is huge and the prices for health care (insurance), education and taxes are rising fast. Different type of migrants (students, expats, assylum seekers, illegal immigrants etc.) are making use of these systems while contributing (in general) less or even nothing at all. It is inhumane, unfair and unsustainable and most dutch people ackknowledge that, in silence, because openly talking about these things get you in hot waters real fast.

[@bensuico1224]

It's about time that the problem is fixed for good! Denmark seems to be doing a better job!

[@HistoryScope]

Our country just has too many issues. And people wonder whether we should spend money on foreigners before solving our own issues. After 14 years of Mark Rutte's disastrous rule we have so many big problems: 1. rising inequality 2. rising crime (violent youth gangs started appearing) 3. rising mental health issues, because the government decided to "save" money on mental health for children 4. housing shortage, because the government refused to build more houses 5. People who received government support were wrongly accused of fraud and forced to pay back tens of thousands of euro, leaving them and their children in poverty. 6. shortage of healthcare workers due to them spending too much time on bureaucracy instead of doing their actual job. 7. no working integration policy (the website where foreigners sign up to learn Dutch was only available in Dutch... meaning that you had to speak dutch in order to figure out how to learn Dutch) Our government has sat on these issues for over a decade and did nothing. We now have so many issues in our country that a lot of people wonder whether we should focus on solving our own problems before letting in more foreigners.

[@maartenaalsmeer]

I agree very much with your list. What baffles me personally is that these 14 years we've mainly been governed by right-wing and center right parties. But now Dutch citizens seem to have thought that solving the problems created by those parties will be done by... voting even more to the right? That just doesn't make sense to me. We need a more social-democratic approach. We need a government that focusses on housing, healthcare, education, environment.

[@peterfireflylund]

If you need to sign up for Dutch lessons and you need the state to help you with that, then you don’t actually want to learn Dutch and you definitely don’t belong in the Netherlands!

[@DenUitvreter]

The rule of law has also been violated systemically and tax pressure for employees has increased from 35% to 40% while these million immigrants were supposed to be good for "the economy". GDP has increased for sure, GDP per capita not so much and we are paying more for the infrastructure, services and help these immigrants appear to need.

[@DenUitvreter]

@@maartenaalsmeer You would have a good point if that was the situation. But VVD and D66 are neoliberal, that is the economic extreme right, about squeezing out citizens to the max to increase international corporate profits. Mass immigration is part of that. The PVV is very much and pretty far to the left of that. They are much more old fashioned conservative capitalists. Mass immigration is and has always been a right wing desire.

[@Turnil321]

If you look at 4:48 you can see that Utrecht has the most immigrants and if you look up what they voted during the last election you can see they voted less on the PVV.

[@Jazzisa311]

Oh it's like that everywhere. The PVV is most popular in regions whre there aren't even any immigrants. Scare tactics don't work as well when your friendly muslim neighbour brings you cookies after ramadan XD.

[@reksapluss716]

@@Jazzisa311 Bring cookies between ruining the economy and beheading for cartoons?

[@agagqbq]

you expect immigrants to vote for PVV?

[@casualobserver2000]

it is a little ironic that when it comes to immigration the UK were ahead of the curve on wanting to control it, but 10 years ago the rest of Europe it was a fundamental part of the EU. Now half the EU wants to drastically restrict or completely overhaul the process.

[@ragael1024]

there is a difference between taking in immigrants and helping them settle and integrate themselves vs taking in immigrants, housing them in 4-5star hotels and literally paying them to stay without taking a single job. the EU does not say "take immigrants and sustain them financially for free". it's each country's responsibility to integrate them into the work force. also, the UK showed a lot of racism towards all immigrants, those that came for social benefits as well as those that actually had jobs and tried to settle down. because "they were taking jobs from the brits", but the brits did not want said jobs nor worked as hard as the immigrants did. lastly, notice how even now, UK has a problem with immigration even when outside the EU. so leaving the EU was not the solution, was it?

[@tomasvrabec1845]

"10 years ago it was fundamental part of the EU" "Now half the EU wants drastic restrictions " Well no. 10 years ago it was not fundamental EU policy. 10 years ago EU was split in 2 with half wanting a Hella more restrictions... The whole east of EU certainly did. The policy was pushed by western EU. It's litteraly why so many Anti EU sentiments grew in the East...

[@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384]

Why was Britain who’s apart of the West become the first to decide to leave then?

[@user-pg5re1cg7d]

​@@ragael1024LOL 4-5 star hotel's that is just not what is really happening also the reason why people were first not allowed to work was because they feared people would just come to work while the process is still going on

[@casualobserver2000]

it has always been fundamental EU policy. Only now more countries are starting to ignore it because the problems are so acute. Not saying its right or wrong - just saying its interesting that something once so "ironclad" is now a matter to be overlooked. Brexit would have been very different if Europe had the attitude they do today. @@tomasvrabec1845

[@Camilla_Kudrin]

How can they even try to get rid of one of the best things about the country? Multiculturalism and the economy are the most valuable things here. I came here more than 5 years ago. I passed an integration exam, and I speak moderate Dutch (even though English is my favorite language, and I have an English speaking job). It's sure enough. No one wants to be assimilated or to look "very Dutch". If this country will become more nationalistic, of course, I have a place to go (Ireland), or I can try Southern Europe. And local Muslims will stay here forever, anyway, nobody will stop the growth among their community.

[@computerfan1079]

Another important point is that the VVD let the cabinet derail on immigration in the hopes that people would vote for them and then made blunder after blunder. Yesilgös is also not a great party leader which doesn't help.

[@profiler4772]

A very clear and comprehensive description of The Netherlands' political environment! My compliments!

[@soundscape26]

"Odd looking fella". 😂

[@ArchonRajelo]

I mean Boris and Trump look funny as well. It probably isn't a professional news outlet to point it out. Guys don't damage your credibility. It makes it worse that the guy is a result of multiculturalism with parents from different countries.

[@crow22zero]

@@ArchonRajelowhat’s his heritage please?

[@soundscape26]

@@ArchonRajelo I know it's not professional but at the same time TLDR is not a regular news outlet, more like a news explainer.

[@ifer1280]

@@crow22zero He's Dutch Indonesian. His hair is bleached to look more Dutch.

[@ArchonRajelo]

@@crow22zero Indonesian and dutch

[@ZZZzzzap12]

It's way too early to say that he has not been able to form a government. The talks are ongoing, and historically, they always take a long long time.

[@nishchaybhuta6538]

If you press the spring too much, it will bounce back.

[@franug]

I know this is not directly related, but can you do a video about the drug traffic from the Americas to Europe? It's known that Dutch ports are the main destinations of cargo of cocaine and other drugs coming from Colombia, Ecuador, etc. Given the dire state of organized crime in South America, it would be interesting to know about how the "demand" part of that illegal market works

[@SynthwaveDuck]

Well, let's see here. The are these things in peoples' brains called Dopamine receptors...

[@tiagotimoteo4004]

Or the Netherlands, as you mentioned, or Portugal or Spain, which are unfortunately the biggest ports of entry for drugs from America.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

"Assimilationist multiculturalism" is an oxymoron. Like, the two concepts are literal opposites: multiculturalism means having multiple cultures, while assimilationism means forcing immigrants to adopt the stereotypical default culture so that you don't have multiple cultures.

[@Alex.af.Nordheim]

That's why I'm anti-multiculturalist on this issue. I'm pro-immigration but I think multiculturalism ends up creating a sense of segregation.

[@kelvindoang1228]

that is what left woke do like this one, they create more and more terms to clean their hands from bad thing they have done, oh you silly Defund the police didnt mean defund them DUH what are you 10? cant read english much. and now suddenly multicultural is about assimilation but when USA try to do that its called cultural appropriation or racism because you force immigrant to behave like you. how can woke comeback fromt this ?

[@Dafty2k]

@@Alex.af.Nordheimwhy does it work in the us tho

[@guyh9992]

In Australia we were sold multiculturalism back in the 60s in terms of assimilating new cultures into our own, the proverbial melting pot. It worked until recently.

[@10Tabris01]

​@@Dafty2kWith all due respect, but it doesn't.

[@jezusbloodie]

3:50 in the industrial east of NL, a lot of guest workers stayed, because a lot of the large factories they worked in didn't pay them actual money, but with coupons for factory owned grocer, baker, clothing stores, etc., and little money they did get was often send to family back home so a lot of guestworkers simply didnt have the means to go back

[@mormacil]

Coupon payments have been illegal in the Netherlands since 1909... This is made up bullshit. Perhaps you're confusing the treatment of eastern worked in the 19th century half a century prior to the guest workers?

[@valdomero738]

I don't know dutch were such exploitative scammers. Truly the Jews of Europe.

[@jerryorange6983]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and arrest.[1] While no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] non-Muslim foreigners attempting to acquire Saudi Arabian nationality must convert to Islam.[2][3] If Saudis can protect their culture why Netherlands can't do it.

[@mtaufiqnmtn]

Because the government in netherland is too weak to even form a strong measure for that kind of problem

[@imperatoraugustus2714]

Because Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy that can do whatever they want with their subjects, whereas the Netherlands is a democratic constitutional monarchy that does actually care about the fundamental rights of their citizens, such as freedom of expression and religion.

[@BarnOwl61]

Vertel dat maar eens aan Timmermans!

[@ksawery8654]

@@imperatoraugustus2714 and thats why the roman empire fell

[@youraverage90sguys7]

is nethrrlands a democracy or not? saudis dont claim to be one so theyr subject to same scrutiny as a democratic country. also, if democracy is only allowed if it fits certain narratives, is it even a democracy, or just something pretending to be one? hypocrisy at its best

[@jameswalsh2427]

Excellent presentation thanks. Subscribed and liked. James J Walsh from Limerick , Ireland and now in Marrakech North Africa😂

[@RaDeus87]

I feel like most countries go through an immigration-phase followed by an oh-shit-phase when people realize that the wrong kind of people (criminals and goldbricks) have flocked to their country. The oh-shit phase also gets worse if the main political parties choose to ignore the problem due to not wanting to come off as racists, which gives the populists more votes. It's happened in Denmark, Sweden and now the Netherlands.

[@00fgytduydrtu]

The next phase should be the mass deportations.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

In Denmark it made mainstream parties reform (like the labour party). Labour party leads a government now that wants 0 asylum seekers and has 25%+ of the votes, stable. Radical right is small. Dutch labour is

[@nenasiek]

Its prob gonna happen in germany too

[@RaDeus87]

@Jajalaatmaar the Danish politicians seems to be way more brave and rational than the Swedish ones that I have 😅

[@peterfireflylund]

@@Jajalaatmaarno, the Social Democrats in Denmark just say that. It certainly hasn’t trickled down to actual political action. And, unfortunately, lots of dumb voters believed them so they are in power now :(

[@Rego1313]

In 2004 Wilders LEFT the VVD but kept his chair in the Eerste Kamer, so basically became a temporary 1 man faction, after the new elections end of 2006 he got 5.9% of the votes with his party the PVV, he was not expelled. And actually forming a coalition is not slow, average time in the Netherland is 103 days, this formation is currently at 61 days and this includes the normal christmas recess of 24 and of course many parties that are trying to stall formation. As to why the Netherlands soured in Immigration, there are many reasons, but I think this number should be taken into account before anything else, in 2022 the poluation of the Netherlands grew to 17.811.291 from 17.587.270 of the year before, more people died than were born so this increase in based solely on immigration and this means the population grew by 1,27% due to immigration in 1 year. On big thing would be we have a major shortage of residences (about 390.000 short) and in 2022 84000 new residences were created, immigration in 2022 was 403.108, emigration was 179.310 so 223.798 more incoming than leaving, those people need to live somewhere and often are given priority. The new recidences will not cover the net migration, so how would you ever solve the housing shortage driving up rent and housing prices, not saying the fault is solely on immigration, but solving such an issue (created by the VVD btw) is hardly possible with such an immens net immigration. Another is troubles caused by Asylum seekers (which are not included in immigration number until they are allowed to stay) and high crime rate amongst asylum seekers and sadly immigrants as a whole. Well of course there's many more, to much to list here, reasons (costs is a big one aswell) but we could say this has been going on for years, the issues increase each year and because the political system never bothered to adress them the dutch population had enough and the result was the elections as we see them now. Note PVV is always depicted as far right, but only there immigration policy is far right, if you would ignore that part they might even be discribed as central or even left wing. And possibly interesting fact, if new election would come now the polls say PVV would get about 1/3th of all votes.

[@emmajones8590]

The formation doesn't look too hopeful though, since Pieter Omtzigt chickened out. 🐓😂😂

[@camillawiking]

A really great video. On all levels. Thank you!

[@IK_MK]

3:05 - Duolingo be like: _"Learn how to speak Dutch or learn how to walk with a crutch"_

[@wdm7836]

It is quite important to note that the VVD is also against the distribution law. It it just that the law was passed before the election. The law was now passed in the first chamber (don't know the equivalent english term for it), whose main role (technically) is to see if the laws are legally sound.

[@NessyTheLochNessMonster228]

The first chamber is also known as the Senate

[@roejogan2693]

De Tweede Kamer is the lower chamber. De Eerste Kamer the upper chamber.

[@youraverage90sguys7]

the law passed few days ago, the election was last year november or somethinf

[@Jazzisa311]

It's not though. The VVD is divided on this issue. Many ppl of the VVD have fought hard in favor of it.

[@123ricardo210]

@@Jazzisa311 a (admittedly small) majority is even in favour

[@johnwright9372]

None of this should be a surprise. For decades Western European politicians have been terrified of taking notice of public comments about immigration, writing them off as racist. They dared not give credence to what the indigenous population was experiencing and its increasing annoyance at not having a voice. Adoption of neoliberal economics has cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy and reduced public spending, created a demand for cheap labour, much of it from poorer countries with little knowledge for Western values, cultures or religion. Muslins are regarded as alien and hostile to Christian cultures and unwilling to integrate or respect laws in their host countries. Multiculturalism is a myth.

[@MsVoeten]

In the polls Wilders PVV now is good for 49 seats! The VVD has lowered to 12 seats

[@Dendarang]

I don't think Wilder's winning is such a shock because I think it was going to happen eventually. He broke through the soft ceiling of being new, radical, toxic anti-establishment candidate around 2007-2010 period and for the past 15 or so years has been one of the largest parties in Netherlands. He was always going to get a win eventually, it was always impossible to keep him out permanently.

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

It was very well possible for establishment to keep Wilders out. Simply if they were even a little bit functional in governing our country, which they proved not to be at all. The establishment chose to double down on a few important matters, despite those matters going rather poorly and causing problems. Quite typical for an establishment that is too elitist from the common man.

[@PiousMoltar]

4:54 It's confusing that you used a dull yellow-green to represent >10% and a bright green for 5.1-10%. Naturally you assume the yellow-green to be between the yellow and the green.

[@jusebacho]

It is curious how those open-minded and liberal countries have opened the doors to the integration of new cultures and were filled with one that is closed and conservative that closes the doors to integrating new cultures different from their own

[@pileofcheese5017]

3:25 There's more pillars than that. Namely, the "protestant" pillar is actually split into a half dozen denominations.

[@mikicerise6250]

Ain't nobody got time for that! 😂

[@DenUitvreter]

421 denominations if I remember correctly. That's what you get if you let people interpret the bible themselves for over 400 years.

[@TalkingPoliticsWithCatsandDogs]

It must be amazing to have your longest serving representative be only 25 years….in the US our Congress is serving as a nursing home and I’m pretty sure most of the senators don’t read bills…

[@christiancommie5869]

that's called diversity for ya

[@krasnamerah1926]

Geert Wilders also comes from a diverse background since his ancestor came from Sukabumi, West Java. Us Indonesians 🇮🇩 are proud that one of us is finally going to be a Dutch 🇳🇱 Prime Minister.

[@bobsemple9341]

​@@krasnamerah1926"ancestors" what a stretch. Nothing to be proud of ey?

[@krasnamerah1926]

@@bobsemple9341 , well, the Indonesian in question is his maternal grandmother

[@bobsemple9341]

@@krasnamerah1926 generations ago. Again. Any excuse.

[@krasnamerah1926]

@@bobsemple9341, only two generations above.

[@Declan_Lancs_England]

Violently opposes? I know you guys try to keep it non biased but really, could've just said strongly opposes or staunchly opposes

[@Zalley]

The Dutch haven’t become more radical - it’s the lack of integration that has become a bigger and bigger problem. Same for the rest of Europe. The Dutch, and the people of Europe as a whole, haven’t suddenly become far-right.

[@SJITZ]

It's Pim Fortuyn not Fortem. (it's the M that bugs me)

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

Oh look the issues that we said where going to turn into issues turned into issues! Who could have predicted that!?

[@gammamaster1894]

Simple, years and years of mass immigration from groups that are wildly different on a cultural level to the Dutch population, who don't learn the language, don't adopt Dutch values, don't make any sort of effort to integrate. Then society moves from one where people can happily live side by side knowing the share the same language, cultural values, religious beliefs, history, etc. to one where the original inhabitants see the decay of that society and the country just becomes less pleasant to live in. Anyone who says this is a surprise is an idiot at best. The immigration issue has been massive for years, with successive governments promising to decrease the levels and change things, to then do nothing of the sort. You can replace 'Dutch' with any European nationality really.

[@architkumarsingh4547]

Illegal immigration has to be reduced without hate politics.

[@patriot77185]

How else are you going to stop it ???? It is not hate, it is the truth. islam will never assimilate, they hate Christians and democracy.

[@Alex.af.Nordheim]

I bet to some people what you said sounds like hate speech😂