How the NEW 2022 F1 car won’t be slower than last year

There was talk originally of the brand new 2022 F1 car being over 3 seconds slower than what we saw last year... but predictions have changed. Why?
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[@mrporgmotorsport7822]

It’ll be so fun to see how the teams bend the rules to maximize ground effect

[@rolandotillit2867]

Pun intended?

[@optimusprimus89]

Ikr haha

[@paoaiipi5580]

People expected the 2022 cars to be about 2-4 seconds slower than the 2021 cars now they could be the same speed or maybe faster

[@rolandotillit2867]

@@paoaiipi5580 They could be, if they get the tunnels correct. Think of the tunnels as ducts, if the upstream pressure in a duct is twice the pressure downstream you get choked, supersonic flow, and the pressure drops like a sledgehammer.

[@MaRiOx914]

@@paoaiipi5580 that was a prediction by higher ups who changed the regs. Not the masterminds behind designing the cars

[@danielhendricks8278]

i dont mind of the new cars are significantly slower, what matter to me is the closer racing. also even if they were way slow, like come on its F1 they are still extremely quick.

[@I_AM_HYDRAA]

yeah f3 and f2 is slower but is thrilling bc they can pass on even monaco

[@captainrogerdodger144]

im looking forward to the new liveries more

[@timori5290]

@@I_AM_HYDRAA that's more because they're smaller. Everything is slow in monaco

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I think F1 should always be focused on performance and tech so if the cars went in the most aggressive direction possible, I would be fine with that. That said.. I also like good racing so I can't complain about the push towards race-ability so I won't complain either way.

[@cyclones101no]

The v10s were slower than today's cars but they almost seemed faster bc of the sound and smaller size

[@SiVlog1989]

To be honest, I'm less fussed with the speed of the cars as I am about their ability to race each other without being affected by the wake of another car ahead

[@trickshotcrhk]

I kinda like the 2022 looks more, just imo

[@officialWWM]

So, if they were racing at 50kph but closely, you’d be happy?

[@thejinchoi]

Speed is cool, but overtakes are cooler.

[@aaryanmachado4735]

@@officialWWM yes

[@MrXaniss]

I agree, but F1 has ro be the fastest cars around a track still, by a good bit too.

[@maxnawas8405]

I kind of wished they’d also bring back the double diffuser. That’d be so cool to see in combination with the ground effects

[@ChefandTheArbistor]

Probably be too unsafe but it would be cool

[@officialWWM]

And the V8 engine.

[@Thraser999]

Not possible, with a venturi tunnel of sorts, a double diffuser would be detrimental.

[@bocahdongo7769]

Double diffuser is pointless if your diffuser already big enough to begin with.

[@Firebolt1729]

They won’t

[@mrporgmotorsport7822]

I haven’t been this early since the safety car came out at Abu Dhabi

[@kirstinp3742]

😂😂

[@williamlang8767]

What I would love to see in races, is racing, cars that allow more overtakes throughout a track. I would also love to see a team do something like Porche did with one 919 and take the regulation wheels off and just blitz their local F1 track's record just to see the mindboggling capabilities.

[@jordyvelders2889]

I would love to see a race between a 2021 car from a midfield team vs Mecedes or Red bulls 2022 car!

[@aymericluis2993]

I wouldn't directly say a RB or Merc 2022 cars as we don't quite know for sure if they gonna dominate the pack again in 2022

[@felixdittrich5469]

@@alunesh12345 What? Christian propaganda under an F1 video? This is the wrong place for you buddy

[@josephy4274]

@@alunesh12345 Jesus has left for formula E.

[@AndyCrowther]

How many people could really see a difference from one car doing a lap in 1:40 and another in 1:43, unless they were on track at the same time?

[@LUXSTERIA]

F1 fans

[@Thraser999]

The ones that actually know about car dynamics...

[@canismajoris6733]

It's pretty big. Look at the 2020 merc onboards. Modern cars are only 1 sec slower but the difference in speed is pretty obvious

[@jonaslippert6963]

@@Thraser999 actually imo you are wrong. If the have significantly less Power but get close in laptime, that means that the cornering speeds increase even more and that is where we "F1 Fans that understand Car dynamics" really see the difference

[@matt_acton-varian]

It will be interesting to see how the engineers cope with the new aero regs. But the tyre testing has been promising, in that drivers can push harder for longer. I think that the new cars will have a quali defecit of around 1 second but because of the more durable rubber there will be less pace management, meaning drivers will be flat out during race stints for much longer, so any deficit will be pretty much made up by that. Also the team fuel suppliers will have also done extensive research on minimizing BHP losses from the fuel regs. Also there is one more round of small PU upgrades available ahead of final homologation so improvements can be made there. Even after final homologation teams can tweak designs for reliability and cost saving, even if it brings a performance gain (subject to FIA approval)

[@kohikappu]

Not quite sure but will the ground effect be more effectively being used for the teams to find for some loopholes around the regulation? I thought this might be the case if you were to be the engineers for the team, you basically wanted the fastest car on track by using the same regulation but without intervention as for the whether how it should be done on purpose. And despite FIA already have their own way to inspect each car and finalize its change priori and posteriori, I wouldn't doubt that those teams wouldn't have played with it fair and square. But then again, improvements are needed to be faster on the track. And I'm not sure if the 2022 car's RPM would've chased the deficit that being 'gained' from last year, but the tires management could also be as crucial as race strategy despite of a way more lasted stint on tires.

[@matt_acton-varian]

@@kohikappu The ground effect tunnels are heavily regulated on safety grounds but there is some wiggle room for designers to maximise performance gains. F1 engineers have always found ways to exploit loopholes, and the regulations have been written to minimise that risk. Also, the inherent trait of ground effect is that it a much more aerodynamically efficient way to produce downforce, meaning that the reduced drag from that will offset the drag caused by the simplified wings and barge boards. As for the engine RPM, these are still the same engines as used for the last few years (all be it much more refined in design) and still have the capacity to reach the same speeds. The loss of horsepower comes from the change in fuel requirements, they have doubled the required ethanol content to 10%. Whilst still highly flammable, ethanol is not as powerful as the other combustibles in the fuel blend. The fuel power loss is incidental, as the fuel regulations were implemented for environmental reasons. The primary byproduct of burning ethanol is water so a higher ethanol fuel produces less CO2 emissions. F1's long term environmental and sustainability plan means at some point in the future F1 will switch to high grade biofuels with a lower net carbon footprint than current fossil fuels.

[@grayaj23]

I'm not yet ready to give up hope that the optimum strategy will float between 2 and 3 stops per race, so tires being "too good" feels counter-productive to me. That said, pit strategy is less important if there is more overtaking and wheel-to-wheel action. So I can be persuaded. Either way, I'm excited for 2022 just to see who rises and who falls. Hopefully, the constructors fight will be an open field and not the yawnfest it's been lately.

[@matt_acton-varian]

@@grayaj23 the tyres will still have a similar mileage limit to the last iteration as they wear but they have a larger optimum temperature operating window, meaning they can take more punishment before overheating, and that they require a bigger drop off in temperature before graining. They are only more durable against premature degradation, not lifespan. Softs will still only last 10-20 laps depending on circuit length and surface type.

[@BrianLufia]

they could be 5 secs slower and I still wouldnt care AS LONG it provides good (better) racing and overtakes!

[@paoaiipi5580]

Nah I would be very upset if they were 5 seconds slower imo f1 is all about speed but yes racing is important

[@LewisGuilfy]

@@paoaiipi5580 you are the only person with this opinion

[@grosano95]

@@LewisGuilfy no, he's not. F1 is the pinnacle of motor racing...if the cars were 5 seconds slower I would be mad too. Car performance > driver performance.

[@Fidodo]

Other than when looking at historical stats, I don't know how I would even notice the lap time difference when watching it live. Hearing someone achieved a new lap record is exciting, but nowhere near as exciting as having good racing.

[@paoaiipi5580]

@@grosano95 exactly

[@pavlenikacevic4976]

I'm always wondering how fast the theoretically fastest achievable lap times (with respect to the given regulations) would be compared to the lap times we get

[@pavlenikacevic4976]

@@alunesh12345 word

[@3namesjames]

I have a feeling teams will do whatever they can to create more dirty air behind them.

[@paoaiipi5580]

Yeah

[@demon420rekt]

I don't really care if they are 5 seconds slower, they gain it overtime, what I want is even a Haas with good luck fighting for a win, more fights and the emotions of last season

[@evanyoon1230]

Ok that’s a bit of a stretch

[@grayaj23]

Schumacher champion 2022, Mazepin p20

[@powerofdreamx]

WTF1 is keeping us engaged in the off-season! /thanks

[@drewp.weiner2473]

Nice burner account

[@powerofdreamx]

@@drewp.weiner2473/winning

[@themasterking3189]

Haas be like “we are screwed “

[@tegarandikash]

No lol. They put their resources for a year to develop the 2022 cars. Who knows mick will be a championship contender

[@RCRitterFPV]

don't care about lap times, just don't want an obnoxious wake behind the cars which makes it easy to lead and impossible to pass. if a car is 1 second a lap faster, they should be able to drive nose to tail for 3-4 laps and not destroy the following cars tires. I want tires that can be overworked, I'd love to see some more slip angles. less fragile stuff that breaks off and clutters up the track.

[@grayaj23]

"Less fragile stuff that breaks off" -- yes. This is a good thing even if it slightly reduces lap times.

[@grayaj23]

@@alunesh12345 I talked to Jesus last week. We dropped a couple tabs of windowpane and smoked a couple of bowls and spent the day laughing at uptight squares who think having fun is evil. Jesus and me are cool.

[@stewartcandy5018]

@@alunesh12345 Christianity is a cult. Wake up.

[@Hakuu_A19]

Same speed with cleaner looks? Love it 👌

[@patricktho6546]

I don't like the clean look, since it resembles more a toy, than the pinnicle of engeneering

[@Th3Shrike]

lap times are completely irrelevant to me, as long as the cars are constantly overtaking each other I'll be happy... I say as someone that watch formula e

[@Icedcoffee03]

I love Formula E! If F1 can become just as entertaining as Formula E then I'll be so happy

[@PHiNiX]

so hyped for the new season

[@roxiesupplee6292]

These vids just keep getting better

[@kylehalford402]

Thought it would b ground effect n when it comes to lap time I'm not bored as long as we get closer raceing

[@mohammed_the_train_spotter]

I don’t know guys/team if you gonna read my comment but, good luck with your channel and content and looking forward hitting 1 mil subs, and I wanna say I love what you’re doing to the F1 community with this content 😃

[@stansilvestrov3106]

There have been some insane downforce numbers with the new F1 regulations, so in a track with a lot of high speed corners it might actually be quicker than the 2021.

[@luker1630]

All I want from the new cars is that beloved high pitch roar of the f1 cars from the v12s v10s and v8s.

[@antegeia8388]

Hope that helps to see race from drivers too, not only from teams & cars.

[@Gorilla_warfare]

Man, I am pumped for the rule changes - it’s going to be fascinating.

[@Dogzy1980]

Welcome back ground effect

[@CMR_1317]

I love the fact that ground effect is being considered again. Maybe the great hair raising racing of the 70s will be reborn in 2022...or maybe not.

[@cornbaII]

i wish they had the top speeds they had in like 2015 (hitting like 215 mph quite easily) with close racing that would be insane

[@jamesallen4050]

I love how the new wheels look like space-savers!

[@bryanwilkin7242]

Hey WTF1 can you plz make a video on different types of mechanics of f1 like what dose the sport Director Do and what is the job of the No 1 mechanic Thx you so so much

[@Exitfc123]

Very good

[@skesinis]

F1 is all about pushing the boundaries of what a car can do around a track, so the lap times definitely mean a lot! Maybe not so much to me as a fun, but to the engineers, the drivers and the teams they do for sure!

[@ywf1.v1ds97]

cant wait for new cars

[@namename3130]

WTF1: 'picture the first race of the season in bahrain' Me: 'Austrailia's got a bit more oil money than I remember'

[@jamieknight326]

I’m not to worried about pace as long as the racing is good. I do wish the sounded better!

[@JamMighty]

How often do f1 teams change brakes?

[@K05_]

Idc how fast they are aslong as theres 2-4 cars a race that have a chance to win that day

[@Luke-tl4vw]

I think it would be cool to see a 10 lap race after the main race in spec-series cars. See who is really on top. Mazepin can finally show his true pace💪

[@missedme0063]

I just want close racing!

[@littlebendixon93]

My guess is that they’ll be faster at most of the low drag circuits like Monza and Spa as ground effect will allow them to run tiny wings whilst still retaining the vast majority of their downforce, they’ll struggle more than current cars at twisty tracks like Monaco and Hungary

[@NeonColored]

I'd love to see a new track record at Monza.

[@RezaXGWB]

I'd say they'll be faster around corners but straight line speed would be slower... so track like Monza or Spa probably would be much slower than twisty track like Spielberg or Silverstone

[@canismajoris6733]

They will have less drag I think so they will probably be faster

[@JoshuaKJ5]

If it means that they go round corners faster, which seems to be the impression i get, im all for it, i feel like cornering speeds are more noticeable to the eye than top speed. Other than that, I just hope the racing is improved :)

[@sethtiley]

I wouldn't have minded if they were 3 seconds of. As long as the racing made up for it

[@vmarsch]

I wonder what will eventually happen to DRS. I wonder if they'd ever go to push-to-pass like IndyCar

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I hope that, considering how many bloody street circuits there are, every manhole cover is welded down! Remember what happened in Monaco in '09(?) to Rubens Barrichello. Can't remember if it was during practice or the race but in the most experienced track, as it were, disaster could have struck. It did enough damage as it was. It's happened again since, iirc (my memories are reaching the state where they overlap each other!), and with added ground effect, it could easily happen again.

[@binottus1947]

I'm wondering, will the sound be different?

[@MrBzo]

I wonder if we’ll see the teams argue for getting mass dampers back to stabilize these new ground effect cars

[@freescratch645]

Speed to me does matter, Im interested in watching the fastest cars and seeing some of the cornering speeds are what gained my initial interest. I wouldnt want a huge speed reduction for much better racing, but I think assuming the new regs work then this is in my opinion the right way to strike the balance of being the fastest series in motorsport and now having more intersting racing

[@shanilballu]

When he said best friend

[@Phykx-ed_Up]

My own opinion, around monza the 2022 cars are gonna break lap records but in thight circuits like Monaco maybe a few seconds off

[@alanequest7812]

What will be interesting is everyone is gonna want to look under everyones skirts…Vettle will be like don’t look under my girls skirt! Thats a 10k fine for looking

I think the cars will have higher top speeds because de reduced downforce, even with slower corner speed, the straight line speed can compensate some of the time lost too

[@tiadaid]

Wait, @WTF1. Did you just used a flat bottomed Ferrari from from AFTER the ground effect ban at 1:59 to demonstrate how ground effects work?!

[@josezandy2802]

Can't wait to see them in MONZAAAA

[@matthewslates]

I probably wouldn't notice they were slower unless I compared time charts from one year to the next.

[@tomw0184]

If you want to look at cool ground effect, formula e cars are a good example, massive diffusers, good racing

[@imdfox1774]

Now to reverse the use of DRS, by that mean cars can only use DRS if they are 1 second pr more behind the leading car.

[@theshadow4737]

Makes example of ground effect. Uses a Ferrari 126C3 from when ground effect was banned.

[@airplaneguy17]

Yes

[@adnanmihadilapuppung3526]

Well in 2021 Bahrain, Max got the pole with time 1:28.997 in Q3, lets see this year

[@thegreenmonster1103]

I’m right there with you Matt. Just hearing Aston Martin is ready to reveal their car next month, has me smiling like a school girl after she finds out her school crush likes her too.

[@lsudx479]

In aviation the term "ground effect" refers to the effect the ground has on the plane as it descends. It's called that because as the plane nears the ground, the air beneath the wings begins to push the plane up somewhat due to the effect of the ground on the airflow. F1 should call it reverse ground effect if they want to be more accurate.

[@canismajoris6733]

It's still a type of ground effect...

[@lsudx479]

@@canismajoris6733 Not on the example he used regarding the air pushing down on the wing. The skirts created a ground effect. They sealed the gap between the ground and the bottom of the car with the skirts. The underside of the car - the venturi tunnels - that's ground effect. Not the rear wing example he gave.

[@omerosman1280]

Hopefully yes...

[@MigGames7274]

F1 cars pre-covid: *faster as year progresses* F1 cars covid: *slower as year progresses*

[@katherinewills]

02:37 Safety isn't a concern according to Daniel Markham

[@coced]

Fans: 2000's were so cool to watch they were small and nimble FIA: Lets makes the cars bigger and heavier

[@mehemmedsadiqhaciqedirli5075]

Ground effect is a big step forward but f1 should also focus on lighter smaller cars with less grip and aero and with harder more durable compounds from pirelli. that would be more talent demanding and fun races to watch.

[@OB1KXB]

i can only imagine what the FIA are going to say if everything works and cars are able to run closer to each other. "cars are running too closely creating dangerous situations in braking areas. this must be dealt with"

[@tonycorona692]

"In the 1970s" -》 shows 1980s cars "The Lotus 79" -》shows a Rebaque

[@LFXGaming]

For me its not about the lap times compared to last year or any year for that matter, its about lap times compared to each team THIS YEAR. I don't care if they're 4 seconds slower than last years cars or 4 seconds quicker as long as the gap between the fastest and slowest car is as small a gap as possible and the racing is competitive im happy!

[@JR-mk6ow]

They won't be slower because the tyres are wider, meaning faster cornering speeds. If you put the 21 tyres they would be slower

[@ipcloud]

I’d gladly “sacrifice” a little speed for some closer racing!

[@felip0251]

My only concern is how different are the teams in terms of speed. Funnily enough, dirty air helped the competition by giving slower cars a tool to keep faster cars behind them. Not a powerful tool, but one nonetheless. This is how Russell and Latifi were able to keep quicker cars behind them in Russia and Hungary. If everyone is similar in performance, no issue, but if we have a hierarchy, as we normally do, the quicker cars will be able to pass the slower cars way faster than before, without anything to even the fight. I'm nonetheless glad F1 figured out a way to get rid of dirty air, but just be prepared if we see a tiny bit less fighting. I'm hopeful tho

[@bocahdongo7769]

The problem came on high speed turn. And most F1 circuit have lots of it. Again, it's not NASCAR that you can drafting someone for like, forever.

[@Squeezy01]

As long as we get overtaking at tracks like Barcelona and Hungaroring I think people will be happy, regardless of lap times.

[@amshumang]

Really don't mind seeing slower cars as long as there is fierce competition. But if they're both possible, I'm all for it. Super hyped for the new rules and cars.

[@Arch3r666]

they can try and get the lap times down, but how will the tyres last? Push too hard and they go pop

[@LimitPro1]

Let's be real ground effect is very OP if done correctly

[@saintludravis3180]

Haas: *It is time.*

[@JK-tj6ie]

Im relly looking forward to Red Bukl and Newy

[@WimRijksen]

Three seconds off is a lot, but 1.5 to 2 seconds off and more duels and overtaking on the track: yes please.

[@briansmith6862]

When they've slowed down the cars in the past you only notice it for a couple of races.

[@ChrisDelMac]

The screen: 3-3.5 Me, and intulectual: 3-3.5=-.5

[@StormsSeven]

For me, F1 is about the Racing. Racing involves battles. As long as they can fight and overtake each other without resorting to "Ha, I came into the pits first", I'm happy. They could be racing VW Beetles for all I care, speed wise. Just. Give. Me. Action. I'm tired of casual Sunday Drive appearances because of it being too difficult to follow each other.

[@brickisland6353]

Ground effect will increase the cornering speed. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they are faster.

[@Burnsie_07]

DRS, how?

[@N3V2-Nevto]

wishing all teams catch up onto each other and not just seeing 2 to 4 teams always the near podium places. I'm literally excited for this season and it might even be faster than last years F1... "might".

[@Dutchempireball]

So that means they are slower in the corners but a rocket in straight line like 2004 or 2015 2016 cars

[@harryfeng4199]

off season is already a bit of a tourture to me gosh... still 2 months to go

[@grayaj23]

Anything within 5 seconds is fine *if* we get more wheel-to-wheel moments and more overtakes. It's possible that the new ground effects could be as strong or stronger than the 1980s were, but without launching cars into space when the GE fails. That would be amaaaaaaaazing.

[@kendrox0994]

Personally I’m a firm believer of encouraging the fastest, most sophisticated pieces of equipment to be designed and leave it on the drivers to control it and see what they can do with the car. However, and it’s a big one, I would never like to see safety sacrificed for speed. I’ll use Group B as an example, it was amazing and nothing will be like it and I love it, but that doesn’t mean it needs to come back. That’s my opinion :)

[@Michael_Raymond]

What’s going to be crazy is all of this with DRS still in play. Ground effect DRS is going to look like cheat mode

[@mrdude9671]

My moneys on Alpine and Ferrari for next year .(maybe AM as well)

[@mn1907]

is that mean we just been watching most advanced aerodynamic cars I f1 history?

[@thomasbinda5194]

I can't find a good explanation anywhere why the 2022 ground effect is more stable then the older generation. The skirts I get but what about hitting curbs or the height of cars changing because of the expanding hot air in the tires?

[@bocahdongo7769]

Rather, it sealed by normal turbulence air by the skirt Pretty much like how "ground effect" on flat floor F1 works, but it produce locally instead of from front wing or barge board.

[@unthenner5519]

than*

[@Bobbarker23455]

Idc how quick the car is i just want close competitive racing.

[@rolandotillit2867]

~1.3 seconds slower than 2021

[@martijnsmallenbroek8854]

is he with the time difference talking about other cars compared to merc or to last year

[@henkelarssonvm9471]

If the cars arent slower F1 have messed up badly. The biggest problem with dirty air isnt the way the cars generate downforce but the speed of the cars themselves.