How the Orlando Magic went from a Finals contender to the NBA's worst team in just 4 years

Dwight Howard's 2020 championship ring with the Los Angeles Lakers must have been a relief, because back when Dwight was the Orlando Magic's superstar center, he watched a shot at a title crumble around him.
The 2009 Eastern Conference champion Magic were a bit lucky, and a bit of a surprise contender, but they clearly had something cooking. Stan Van Gundy's system surrounded Dwight with a record-setting bunch of shooters, and there was a clear path forward to keep that team intact. Instead, GM Otis Smith tinkered with his roster. When that team failed to match the prior season's success, the tinkering continued, and things only got worse. Howard got restless, the Magic overreacted with some all-out moves, and before you knew it, the kings of the East hit rock bottom.
This is the story of a team underrated for its revolutionary greatness, and how they lost their identity and their superstar just 4 years after a Finals appearance. This is the collapse that ended the first chapter of Dwight Howard's fascinating career.
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
Edited by Jiazhen Zhang
Motion graphics by Michael Das
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[@isaacwalker1931]

People really forget how good Dwight was, can't believe people think he isn't a Hall of Fame player 🤦

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

The problem was his ego and personality.

[@isaacwalker1931]

@@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802 yeah, and I think the media made him look bad because of his year with Kobe

[@thebestcentaur]

He would be if he kept up production like he did in his Magic days. Him winning a ring as a role player may not do enough to boost him into the HOF at this point, sad to say

[@isaacwalker1931]

@@thebestcentaur but look at those seasons with the Hawks and Hornets, he was still putting up great numbers

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

@@Matthew83991 ok...

[@atlrunner1397]

Seth’s narration makes life worth living

[@LegitDalton]

Facts he’s such a good narrator. I wish he did them all

[@carlosazocar3722]

Agree

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

Hes good, but not Pretty Good

[@84Victorious]

He is the best on the channel but the others are far from horrible as some of the other comments suggest.

[@dionzervos3306]

He’s great, it’s his rhythm, the word choice, the others need to pick this up. Seth brings a different energy

[@israelisaiahholford8408]

Just realized.. Dwight won a championship in Orlando but just not on the Magic 😂

[@callmesoftware]

And even more ironic, he played for the team that beat him 11 years ago to get that championship.

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

Holy crap your right...

[@israelisaiahholford8408]

@@callmesoftware lol yup

[@saracin]

Yeah, someone in their front office must be a fan of Beef History and dislike Shaq, since they hired two centers he beefed with.

[@ZakuIIX]

@@callmesoftware dude, it goes deeper. He left orlando to join the team that beat him. Then left the Lakers because of beef with kobe. And years later he's back in LA winning one and tributing it to kobe. Dude

[@allenmarcial4184]

Glad Dwight still won a ring in Orlando😎

[@pzooka]

I love that Dwight can say that and Shaq can’t do a damn thing about it lol

[@drip2hard976]

@@pzooka I mean he can’t Realy say that he won it in Orlando because that’s where the finals was not because he was with the magic

[@ethangamino4740]

@@pzooka Shaq really bitched about Dwight winning like wtf did he ever do to you?

[@PyroPuffs777]

@@ethangamino4740 shaq has a bit of an ego problem. Watch the Dwight vs Shaq beef history. It explains it all.

[@xdgaming70]

@@ethangamino4740 Shaq and Dwight have a LOOONG beef history

[@pac12shorts90]

When Hedo Turkoglu started 2 collapses on the 2 best teams he played...

[@GaTech379]

The Hedo curse

[@4olufade]

🤣🤣🤣

[@scentsports8152]

The best players that drafted no.3 in their draft class since 2000. Who is #1 in the list? Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqpdIN8bbN1kMk Like/Comment SUBSCRIBE! 👍👍

[@gd131]

And its both from the lakers lol

[@futuregohan4837]

And Dwight Called It Dwight Said "I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Hedo Somehow Causes Two Collapses"

[@Matt-uy3bv]

I’ll never forget when the media used to clown Dwight for acting like a kid in his early 20’s when he was a kid in his early 20’s

[@ccwkexs9894]

I’ll never forget when the media used to clown Dwight for acting like a kid in his early 20’s when he was a kid in his early 20’s

[@Veaseify]

People in their early 20's are not 'kids'..

[@2kmichaeljordan438]

@@Veaseify yeah wtf

[@GoyFromFinland]

@@Veaseify 20 year olds are generally on the younger side.

[@eyeconqueror1185]

@@Veaseify yes they are

[@renogonzalez2255]

Please do the 90s Bills, from 4 time superbowls in a row to the music city miracle to not reaching to the playoffs in 18yrs. Now that is a collapse

[@Andre-id7ci]

Also the Dolphins. Marino left and Dolphins went through 21 QB’s in 20 years and had no playoff wins in that time.

[@Eomerisdabomb]

I mean the four superbowls without a win is a spectacular accomplishment and an embarrassing failure all at the same time.

[@alejandromarsico5412]

They've already done that

[@ryanahr2267]

What Alejandro said. I don't remember what season of Collapse it was, but it's been done.

[@renogonzalez2255]

You're thinking of the 90s cowboys, Bills have yet to be

[@miles9038]

This feels weirdly like Giannis. Multi-year DPOY, team trying to surround him with shooters, small market, looming free agency...

[@Chigz10]

I thought that too but I do think Giannis is more skilled than Dwight ever was (no disrespect to Dwight) and he has that 'mamba mentality' that Dwight never had

[@futurekicks3430]

No he doesn’t buddy, didn’t guard butler

[@veonnoire3768]

@@Chigz10 when giannis athleticism declines like dwight has,that mamba mentality bullshit well not help him...hes still skilled tho

[@RobertPrestley]

exactly what I was thinking. As a Bucks fan, I'm just going to enjoy Giannis for as long as we can keep him.

[@Chigz10]

@@futurekicks3430 He's a workaholic, a guy who went from being a nothing prospect to a back to back MVP, worked out with Kobe and Kobe was a big fan lol I'm gonna say he has mamba mentality. Not guarding Butler doesn't mean anything it wasn't in the plan and he was injured

[@blahblah9707]

Lmao, this happened to the cavs in just ONE year.

[@contato424]

Cavaliers collapse: Lebron left.

[@Iranianjew4life]

@@contato424 I mean that was the biggest reason, but they got rid of Mike Brown, Ilgauskus left along with other key players in their rotation. Plus if you can't even sign an all-star caliber player to come in and contribute then you're gonna be hitting the lottery.

[@contato424]

@@Iranianjew4life no I mean in 2018 when he left lol.

[@jean_marcm9663]

@@Iranianjew4life add the fact they didn’t want to trade for amare 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@scentsports8152]

The best players that drafted no.3 in their draft class since 2000. Who is #1 in the list? Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqpdIN8bbN1kMk Like/Comment SUBSCRIBE! 👍👍

[@phipsdeus2]

Who’s here after watching the collapse from the Shaq and Penny years!?!?

[@Maizeandbluekid]

A prequel if I ever saw one.

[@sdmurphy20]

Me lol

[@jonjonbailey4314]

Dis makes me feel good being a Warriors fan!!

[@jonjonbailey4314]

Dis story not as interesting as Shaq n Penny!!

[@ajongocheick-diallo2055]

U suck man

[@heatfan785]

This was a sad watch, I first got into following the nba when I first starting playing ball in 2008, I picked the magic as my favourite team cause I liked there logo on 2k haha 😂 then was so stoked to see them go to the finals! 🙌 Then it all tumbled away so fast 😭😭

[@casualfandestroyer2503]

Same bro lol

[@TheJuice_1995]

Here’s the real question...are u still a fan of the magic ? Or have you bandwagoned to the lakers 😂?

[@heatfan785]

@@TheJuice_1995 funnily enough my 2nd favourite team has always been the heat cause D wade was my favourite player back in the day! So it kinda worked itself out :P

[@scentsports8152]

The best players that drafted no.3 in their draft class since 2000. Who is #1 in the list? Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqpdIN8bbN1kMk Like/Comment SUBSCRIBE! 👍👍

[@wolfgooner2321]

Lol similar to me I picked timberwolves as my fav team when I was a kid because wolf is my fav animal. Still waiting for them to at least make the conference finals again 🤣🤣

[@StuartTurner13]

New series idea: rebuild. Teams that were once a laughing stock of their league that evolved into a championship team for many years. One team is the Tampa bay lightning, they were once the worst team in the nhl and are now one of the most dominant teams in the entire league for the past nearly decade

[@beane10]

I also like the series idea “Hopeless” where teams like the Eagles and Chiefs who’ve been good and sometimes had the best team in the league and always find a way to fail in the most heartbreaking fashion, until the day they finally breakthrough. Maybe it should be called “Breakthrough” now that I think about it. There are other teams that fit that narrative. As a Chiefs season ticket holder since 1996, at 38 yrs old, I’ve known 35 yrs of gut-wrenching heartbreak and endless hope living side by side. Until 2017 when we drafted Mahomes, and all of that misery, or Missery as we say in Kansas City, MO. Thoughts?

[@Doommaster677]

That was my Cubs until they broke the curse in 2016. Now I can just sit back and watch some excellent baseball knowing I got to witness a championship in my lifetime

[@beane10]

Same here Doom, I got it with the Royals in 2015 and the Chiefs in February. The chiefs journey was much more painful during the bad times and it was a lot further in the past since the last SB we’d won in 1970, Royals had won a WS in ‘85 but 30 yrs was plenty painful also. You had the most magical triumph of any fanbase Doom, and I’m so glad the royals had just won a ring becuz I was able to enjoy the cubbies win with genuine excitement for a deserving fanbase instead of bitterness and jealousy. Plus y’all had Benny Z after he’d been the key to our offense, what a winner he was man. The Red Sox had a pretty sweet triumph as well. Goddamn, I love sports.

[@PG2248CoasterNews]

Rebuild: 2019 San Francisco 49ers: they were horrible for years and we popped off last season; a true rebuild

[@Jayzone702]

@Secret Base: Hire this man

[@shegute]

The greatest crime Stan van Gundy ever committed was to start Jameer Nelson, who was coming off an injury, after Rafer skip to my lou Alston had driven them all the way to the finals. Smh!

[@dckill]

Yeah that first game in the finals! We all thought Nelson was done for the season, and perhaps he should have been by coach's decision!

[@NetworkBruh]

Underrated comment

[@JokerThaToker]

STRAIGHT FACTS!! I still hold resentment towards Stan for this!

[@shadowx9398]

I will always stay pissed at SVG for that move. SVG is so stubborn to the core. He gets too one track minded sometimes. Alston was playing very well during that run. Then, once Meer gets back, Alston goes to the bench instead of Meer working his way back into the game itself. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@infinitymixtapes9562]

Part of me always wondered how that series could’ve turned out

[@arisudakidu]

I will never forget how terrifying those Magic teams of the late 2000s and early 2010s because of Dwight

[@fredleeland2464]

Back when every team had a star and the top teams knew how to build around them

[@Dannybegroovin]

Damn Orlando, y’all couldn’t keep Shaq, didn’t build around T-Mac, didn’t sign Duncan to pair with Hill and T-Mac, other stars y’all didn’t keep such as Victor Oladipo, and y’all split the 09 Magic team up. Brah cmon🤦🏾‍♂️

[@nomnom9992]

Sabonis? Chris Webber?

[@williambrightman3786]

Dumbest ownership in the NBA by far.

[@beane10]

The “Collapse” series is the best sports-related content on KZbin by a significant margin. So many fan bases consistently experience heartbreak and rarely get happiness and almost never is that prolonged, so this series brings more rival fans together than anything else. Love it.

[@Yeti_Films]

It's so damn tough being a magic fan I swear 😭

[@bloopy9917]

I've been waiting for this one

[@asfar.c7]

Haven’t we all

[@Rondo9prime]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4GVnHl6eJh5d68 1v1🏀🏀

[@joelg1706]

That '09 Magic team was legit, I'm glad Dwight was able to win one after all the problems

[@Shay_Mendez]

And now after 15 years, Dwight finally has a ring, and he's infinitely more mature then he was when he came to LA. He ain't soft no more Mr. Mamba!

[@paperhag]

Is he really more mature? Bron had to tell him several times to tone down his trash talk this playoff run. Guy was acting like he was dropping triple doubles out there!

[@splitside1959]

@@paperhag he did, that's just his way of getting to the mind of his opponents esp. jokic when he's tasked to guard him. off court, he's got nothing but praise for them in his interviews unlike some players *cough* pat bev

[@cjjameson6902]

Quit chirping someone whos dead you goof 🖕🏽🖕🏽

[@MitsubishiDelica-fm8gk]

Hmm a Center superstar who went to the Lakers and win a championship. Doesn't that sound familiar?

[@contato424]

@@MitsubishiDelica-fm8gk Shaq, Gasol, wilt, Kareem, oh wow

[@FingeringThings]

Its crazy how they had 2 generational centers consecutively

[@lostnemesis]

I'm pretty sure there was an 8-year window in between but I'm impressed about is how they hopped from great talent to great talent you go from Shaq to Penny and then you get Tracy and you have Grant Hill but he never played for us and then you go to Dwight

[@Izrezar]

3, They have Mo Bamba now

[@Namtihhh]

@@Izrezar lol

[@fszron]

But both Shaq and Dwight failed to win in Orlando even after reaching the Finals in '95 and '09 respectively. They both won NBA rings as Lakers' players.

[@anthonystanek1212]

I love Orlando Magic. Saying that, Guys Like Shaquille O neal, Horace Grant and Dwight howard all ended up with an NBA ring at the LA Lakers after leaving Orlando.

[@PedroPinto-tf9bg]

Well Horace already had rings with the bulls but I get what you saying

[@beezy22]

Also Frank Vogel got a ring with the Lakers after being fired from the Magic...

[@Iranianjew4life]

Its pretty interesting. Lakers always taking Orlando's sloppy seconds and they end up winning there loll

[@beezy22]

@@Iranianjew4life yes indeed...not to throw shade at the Magic they can’t catch a break when it comes to keeping and developing players....

[@manofgray5239]

Orlando may have DisneyWorld, but LA is where the magic really is

[@rayneozier]

0:46 “f!ck it. We ball!”- Coach Stan Van Gundy

[@thetonyhope]

lol

[@drezbrown1382]

JJ Redick’s career is soooo fascinating: he played at Duke, but he never thought he’d aspire to be a star, just a ‘shooter’. He’s been on the supporting cast of some truly great teams, these Magic, the Clippers with Chris Paul and Blake Griffen, the good part of the ‘process’ with Philly, and now he’s in a lineup with Zion. His ego didn’t let him think he’d have to carry a team, and because of that, he’s major underrated piece to a lot of these contending teams. We’ll see if New Orleans will contend for a title with him still on the roster, but I have no reason to think it won’t happen.

[@DontuseMyRealNameYTplz1425]

News for ya…

[@RamanShrikant]

someone break the news to him

[@Captain_Neckbeard]

He never won a championship at Duke or the NBA. Meanwhile, my Heels got 2 Championships when he was at Duke.

[@pllc6886]

KZbin is a time machine!!

[@Matt-cr4vv]

The way he embraced his position and using the skill sets he did have to best help his team was wise on his part and demonstrated a healthy level of self awareness on his part. He could have demanded to be a higher level guy and been out of the league fairly quickly. Instead he embraced the role he was provided and did the most he could in those roles in the teams he was on and ended up having a fifteen year career and made roughly $116M in his career from NBA.pay. And now he has smoothly transitioned into being an analyst on ESPN now. A good example of making the best of what’s available to you even if maybe as your dream once was being the guy and not letting that deter you like you see from some guys.

[@LeBeautiful]

Part two babyyyy

[@derpmcgerp8062]

Yep lol

[@koreypaul6698]

Imagine if Dwight won a championship with the Magic.... Shaq still would say he didn't deserve it 😑

[@JDubs1464]

“The Magic have never had a better center on their roster than me.”

[@sebastianplatt6815]

@@JDubs1464 Shaq just hates Dwight

[@huffinairduster]

@@JDubs1464 is that a shaq quote or a dwight quote literally cant tell hahaha

[@sebastianplatt6815]

@Sean Minton I get all that but Dwight never gave up. He definitely did not live up to Shaq’s prime which was far better than Dwight but Shaq needs to give credit when due

[@sebastianplatt6815]

@Sean Minton I respect that. He’s a borderline HOF and I think winning a chip as a key role player helps his case but doesn’t quite solidify it

[@tykemorris]

A very accurate and detailed story of my Orlando Magic fan life in two collapse videos. The local media drove our superstars away, oddly enough. The poll about how much Shaq is worth was dominated by non sports fans and the "Dwightmare" campaign was driven by sports analysts who thought we should trade for Andrew Bynum. We now have our 4th number one pick, so hopefully Bancero can turn us back to championship contenders soon if we can get some 3 point shooters for him.

[@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970]

He won Rookie of the Year. Hope indeed 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@gotkai5145]

I'm just glad Dwight finally got a ring, like many other legends that never got it, he deserved it.

[@jlui21]

- Personally, I never liked Dwight's game. He has two blocks for feet in the post. All the athleticism in the world but offensively inept. HOWEVER, he won 3 DPOY. Carried a team to the Finals. Put up some numbers. He should be in the NBA Top 75 over "Anthony-street-clothes-Davis."

[@xdawn]

@@jlui21 respect

[@vulcanraven9701]

Nah. He shouldn't have done it with LA (city he lost Finals to)... with enemies like Rondo & Lebron.

[@man-thing6374]

@@vulcanraven9701 enemies? Bro it’s just basketball

[@jt8594]

@@vulcanraven9701 a ring is a ring

[@jman2050]

It’s been 11 years, why does seeing Lee’s missed layup still make me throw a pillow across the room?

[@KirbyYoung]

That scene gave me bad memories. Geez lee

[@shadowx9398]

Missing that shot was bad for CLee. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@johnkirk.]

the inbound pass was too strong

[@TheHuskyK9]

Leave that poor pillow alone, it didn’t do anything 😂😂

[@ThaGhettoBlaster]

Wah wah wah 😂

[@elhajjmalikel6266]

As an Orlando native and former Magic supporter, it's no wonder here in Central Florida they got the name "Orlando Tragic". We had Penny & Shaq, T-Mac and Dwight all within the first 20 years of our franchise. Just being an expansion team in '89 we started off on the right foot. If the Magic organization just opened their wallet, look at what our starting lineup could've looked like: PG: Jameer Nelson SG: Vince Carter SF: Hedo Turkoglu/Rashard Lewis PF: Rashard Lewis/Hedo Turkoglu C; Dwight Howard Dec. 18, 2010 is the day it all came crashing down. Stopped supporting them since that day when they made those trades to break up the team.

[@Bigedub101]

And they could possibly had Tim Duncan and if Hill didn't have Glass Ankles been a dynasty a few times

[@oliverdennis3115]

My favourite clip of Dwight is when he says he’s open to Steve Nash, like it’s Steve Nash, he decides when you’re open.

[@juddarcano151]

I felt like Rafer Alston was a better starting point guard during the finals, Jameer Nelson ruined the rotation.

[@JWex-jy7sk]

Yeah but remember Alston in the first 3 rounds of the playoffs averaged 12.7 PPG/4.4 APG Jameer was an All Star that season averaging 16.2 PPG/5.7 APG The Magic were desperate to get him back and weren’t gonna have their All Star PG come off the bench.

[@RFcity712]

@@JWex-jy7sk yeah but the roster had more chemistry with Rafer. Van Gundy ruined the momentum by bringing in Jameer. And honestly, while I like Jameer, it seemed like the moment was too big for him because he was pretty erratic.

[@purplegill10]

Skip 2 My Lou*

[@kristianpomida8259]

Yes. Finally someone said it

[@scentsports8152]

The best players that drafted no.3 in their draft class since 2000. Who is #1 in the list? Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqpdIN8bbN1kMk Like/Comment SUBSCRIBE! 👍👍

[@allieday2308]

“52 wins is nothing to sneeze at, and you shouldn’t sneeze at things” 😂😂 I’m weak Seth 😂

[@beanflicker9919]

Man when I was in middle school when the magic were going to the finals , Dwight was the biggest thing to talk about in Orlando. He was so so so famous in the city. I went to the Florida mall for shoes one day , and the mall was completely filled with people. I was confused why and the whole mall was in line to just take pictures with Dwight Howard in front of a champs. I’m talking the entire mall was just a line to see Dwight. Dude was like Kobe Bryant levels of famous in Orlando. Those were good times

[@ponypower8]

Based on the Magic players recollection (JJ discussed this himself in his own podcast), the main reason the Magic lost to Boston in the ECF was the coaching blunder of SVG *even before the series started.* Even though the Magic was solid heading to the ECF, SVG suddenly decided to make major adjustments for the Celtics series *even before the series started.* Remember what Shaq said about SVG? He was a good strategist BUT he had a tendency to get nervous, overthink, and make bad decisions. That "dark side" of SVG showed up during the Magic-Celtics ECF.

[@TJ-ir6xt]

Alternate title: How the Orlando Magic went from a Dwinner to a Dwightmare to Dwightless.

[@heathRocco]

I remember commenting on a Secret Base video asking them to make a rise & fall video of the Orlando Magic a few months ago & finally now im watching it 💙👌

[@nope270]

I’m so happy Dwight got a ring

[@KnifeNinjaEDC]

He did a lot of growing up since his magic days.

[@scentsports8152]

The best players that drafted no.3 in their draft class since 2000. Who is #1 in the list? Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqpdIN8bbN1kMk Like/Comment SUBSCRIBE! 👍👍

[@timothyasdent9512]

This feels weirdly like Giannis. Multi-year DPOY, team trying to surround him with shooters, small market, looming free agency...

[@jacobcardinal8041]

@@timothyasdent9512 Giannis has only won 1 dpoy. Just sayin

[@Sebastin-nl2lh]

Bruh poor Dwight 😂 Lack of management and roster improvement drew him out of the Magic

[@jalencampbell8807]

Hey at least he got one in LA.

[@devanwelch4049]

@Sean Minton Idk he was pretty key rotation player during the early playoffs and the regular season, who knows if AD would have stayed healthy if he had to play a whole season at center or splitting minutes with Javale.

[@usahenry]

Watching their newest video of the Shaq and Penny magic collapse and then queueing this up afterward is hilarious. Genuinely picks up right where the Shaq/Penny video left off. Just 20 years of constant failure

[@tykemorris]

More like 30 years but there are teams who have never made it to the finals. There are 29 failures every year and the same teams tend to dominate a lot, like the Warriors, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Spurs and the 90's Bulls. Being a Magic fan is a roller coaster, not constant. I wouldn't trade those 30 years for half the league.

[@MKISports]

This Magic team is a precursor to the teams today. They got a dominating center and a lineup full of shooters. Then they blew it up all of a sudden.

[@ultrustic]

Seth should be put in charge exclusive for NBA rewind, NBA Collapse, and any Beef in the NBA. Love his pace and his soothing voice in the narration

[@ivaneurope]

A Collapse of the Tom Thibodeau's Chcago Bulls would be interesting since they kept going even after DRose's devastating injury and once GarPax failed to convince Carmelo Anthony to join the team and fired Thibs after failing to dent the Cavaliers, everything fell apart for the Bulls which led to the biggest coaching meme of them all - Jim f'n Boylen.

[@gedrictudio]

We all knew the awkward interview was going to pop up and waited for it.

[@janae391]

Yup😬🤭😅

[@a.e.3367]

Dwight's redemption arc to champion is one of the most fascinating storylines in the NBA. And the Magic are one of the most frustrating orgs ever. Amassed so much greatness and realized such little potential. Great deep dive video!

[@moisessobrepena75]

I remember those tough times!Dwight and Jameer sitting dejected after thr Finals loss. But this year everything is sweep away for Dwight!So happy for him!

[@goleafsgo332000]

This shows that organizations are built from the top down. Need great management then great Coaching followed by a great team.

[@bimanatawilaga7509]

So Jerry Krause aint all that wrong, aint he 🤣

[@gnikulodeon1999]

​@@bimanatawilaga7509 Yeah. Jerry Krause was right. Cleveland before LBJ came back and won the chip with them in 2016 is a good example for that.

[@jfayiii]

1000% correct. Magic need to be sold.

[@heemanijaz6100]

Y’all should do a rewinder on game 7 of the 76ers vs raptors 2019

[@xdgaming70]

Not yet. Let it age another year.

[@heemanijaz6100]

@@xdgaming70 good idea

[@bobe1917]

As a Magic Fan, it’s been rough

[@jpinon403]

Dang, I've been waiting for another Collapse episode. These are my favorite

[@GoonToAnGoblin]

As a Bucks fan, I want to see a collapse video with the early 2000s Bucks.

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

Nahh, you should just watch Giannis highlights... before he leaves.

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

@@GoonToAnGoblin ok. Most likely hes staying with you guys tho. Don't worry.

[@leespn4396]

@Jonathan Aguilar yeah sure

[@CrimsonOwls]

One of my favorite teams to watch in the late 2000s/early 2010s

[@mahmoudshoeib8888]

Suggestion: Beef history: Lebron James vs Paul Pierce

[@fredleeland2464]

That wasnt really beef, just one sided Paul Pierce battles until Lebron went to the Heat...I was a huge Lebron fan in 2008 and I gotta admit Pierce was Lebrons dad at the time

[@perhaps9460]

@@fredleeland2464 yeah lebron doesn’t really beef with anybody tbh. Closest one you could say is with lance Stephenson but just like Paul pierce, it’s very one sided and lebron doesn’t really talk about them

[@manzac112]

Collapse: The 1995-1996 Supersonics Collapse: The 1994-1995 Rockets Collapse: The 2007-2008 Celtics Collapse: The 1991-1992 Redskins

[@ForsterButtery]

The Celtics didn't collapse as they only missed the playoffs once and are now contenders again

[@manzac112]

@@ForsterButtery ................Wake me up when this core wins a championship.

[@matthewforbes2969]

Or a collapse of the white Sox post World Series

[@leespn4396]

@@manzac112 eh I could see them winning in the next 5 years. They were definitely close this time

[@karthiksabareesh2869]

@@leespn4396 nah I feel like Boston is overrated. Too many players who need the ball in their hands to make something happen. There is just something even bigger that is wrong with Boston. I can't put my finger on it tho.

[@venod3134]

Narration is an art. Great job. As usual ✊🏾

[@whatsshakinbaconnothinjust2986]

I'm happy for D12 winning a title and he is a qualified HOF. Never give up on your dreams!

[@sebastianrosa1849]

As an Orlando Magic fan, I can use five words to describe this video Pain. Tears. Pain. Endless pain

[@wazzup233]

Or Orlando Magic is like Spain w/o the S. 🤪

[@shadowx9398]

Here’s a simple one: The Pain...It Continues.😞

[@Land0_0.]

Rushing the rebuild for a desperate Playoff spot will forever be the darkest moment for me as a fan. Trading Oladipo and a lottery pick (just so happened to be an the all-star, Sabonis 🙂) for a half season of Ibaka while ditching Harris for capspace only to waste money on Bismack. Years of hope wasted because of the lack of patience. I'm glad they are in a better position nowadays but I hope the young guys can develop and hopefully improve to be more than an average 7th or 8th seed team.

[@guerillawhite3083]

if JI wasnt made of paper id be more hopeful but if he can stay healthy, and if kelle can develop into even a solid reliable pg im set

[@Land0_0.]

@@guerillawhite3083 REALLY hoping they can find a gem this draft. Imagine grabbing a solid scorer/shooter to boost the offense. If they get lucky, it'll really brighten the future. Wishful thinking tho

[@guerillawhite3083]

@@Land0_0. of course, the hennigan years really set this franchise back eons

[@jdw5956]

I’m not sure what series this would fit into, but a video on Evan Gattis’ rookie season with the Braves could be very interesting. The whole background as a janitor combined with his completely unexpected output that year and great nickname would make for a really good video!

[@kriswilson6081]

Braves fan here, there are times I miss him. Would love too see that video

[@jonasanderss8n]

all these Collapse series videos are little masterpieces. Thanks! Idea for the next one: Sonics between 96 finals and 08 Oklahoma switch.

[@DynastyIcon]

I LOVE THIS DAMN CHANNEL!!!

[@Chloethepomsky]

I remember being pumped when the magic came to town to see d howard

[@benpickard3203]

Orlando Magic is the Minnesota timberwolves of the south. Every one leaves.

[@wytelester-green8891]

BS we have 2 conference titles minn don’t

[@mashwork6615]

@@wytelester-green8891 can’t believe how they compare us to Minnesota what have they ever done? We’ve had some of the most iconic players in nba history and won some games

[@devanwelch4049]

@@mashwork6615 I mean the T-Wolves made the WCF with Garnett

[@sonnyc2539]

Back in the 1990s, they could of had a dynasty with Shaq and Penny. But the front office made some really DUMB decisions; (not resigning Shaq, not taking Penny's knee injury seriously, not firing Brian Hill after getting swept by Houston) that put the franchise back for several years.

[@motherboard06]

Pls do a rewind on the Manny Pacquiao’s knockout punch on Ricky Hatton‼️, Day 1

[@cidiose]

I'd rather see when marquez knocked him out.

[@keimahnee]

I'm still a Magic fan always, no matter what, we have a bright future in the next couple years

[@rednaxelawilliams3176]

No y'all don't 😂😂😂

[@rednaxelawilliams3176]

And please don't say Markelle fultz or Mo Bamba 😂

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

@@rednaxelawilliams3176 they have Johnathan Isacc... and they got competent head coach in Clifford the Big Red Dog

[@depressedfalconsfan2338]

Stop bro the magic are trash

[@depressedfalconsfan2338]

They have to tank

[@noiryork]

The Magic have been exceedingly lucky for such a young franchise. A good chunk of their existence has been them contending. With that said, the last 10 years of the Magic has been the universe reverting them to the average NBA franchise.

[@dstapleton2652]

I love this show , gives me and all sports fans the true back story of teams . Keep it up 💯

[@robertlinn4481]

You gotta do more of these collapse videos!!! These, untitled, and beef history are you're best series please do more of them

[@dckill]

Oh man this resonates with me so much! For over a decade I’ve been wanting to discuss that 2009 team and that heartbreaking summer off-season! I moved to Daytona Beach in 2007, and soon I became a Magic fan since the matches were always on the local Central Florida sports channel (Sun Sports perhaps???) and also because I followed them for Hidayet Turkoglu, being a compatriot Turk myself. The 2008 play-off run was great and the 2009 Finals run was epic! They were a team opposite to weird obsession of American sports where it is not deemed important to be a `team` and rather the focus is always on the `stars` i.e. individualism rather than teamwork. But this team was different, Alston, Courtney Lee, Hedo, Lewis & Howard started games but soon Lee would get subbed on for Mickael Pietrus, Dwight had a decent sub in Marcin Gortat, Reddick was decent as a sub, Tony Battie was alright as a big 4 and Anthony Johnson did an admirable job as Alston’s sub considering he’d be considered a third string PG. All in all, maybe none of the guys beside Dwight were exceptional, but it was a great team! Everyone knew their roles. All that team needed was a real big man number 4, to replace Lewis, who was an undersized PF, during games as necessary. Lakers had three big men at two positions which Orlando couldn’t overcome; they had Andrew Bynum (probably his best season in his career), Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. Van Gundy tried Gortat with Howard, and I think Battier with Howard and it just didn’t work. A good PF/C and the team was set for another run the following year! That 2009 offseason is when it all went wrong! Instead of going for that big man next to Howard, they went and screwed up everything!! Just like they had done in 1994 when they lost Shaq! Can you imagine losing more than half your starters (3/5, or 60%) that made it to the NBA Finals for one man, Vince Carter. Where I was in Daytona, that trade was celebrated but which had made me disgusted. Since they got Carter, that meant Hedo’s minutes were definitely going to get diminished, and pretty much he had no choice (well, more like 90% no choice, cause looking back maybe he could have been less selfish and thought about staying). He was Mr Fourth Quarter that year! This meant that 4/5 (80%) of the starting team was gone! You have to say this because Jameer Nelson was not part of that playoff team. How do you expect to start over from pretty much scratch and do well?! After that summer, I was disgusted with the obsession with stars rather than teams, and plus I had finished grad school and had left the area, I stopped supporting Orlando Magic. That summer was the beginning of the end of that great team unfortunately.

[@RolfWrenWalsh]

As a Magic fan, I like to think things worked out long term with the Dwight trade with getting Fournier and Vuc. Damn I miss those two and Aaron Gordon SO MUCH!! But our new young core going into 2023 is so fun and exciting. Fultz. Franz. Cole. Suggs. Banchero. Bamba. T-Ross (for now). Carter. They were so much fun to watch last season, it even made losing fun (won only 22 games). Got my League Pass bought and paid for, and I am SO READY for this season. GO MAGIC!!!

[@muhammad_berkowitz989]

I love your content!! I claim not to be into sports anymore because it’s to heart breaking. But when you post I watch lol! Keep up the great content!

[@conormulrooney1217]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!!

[@I_Hate_My_Cat_]

Orlando Magic: “What happened?” Dwight Howard: “...I won.”

[@qceaz11]

If they would've got Tim Duncan along with a healthy Grant Hill & Tracy McGrady would've been scary

[@shaunbures7557]

Easy 2 Titles the ultimate what if Prime Tmac and Duncan woulda been scary good

[@barambae3371]

I love every secret base basketball video, all your series are so informative and interesting. Also I am a Knicks fan and understand your pain!

[@gabejuice]

Thanks for this vid, I was looking forward to an Dwight era of magic video.

[@mcray0309]

Did anyone else think “which time” when the saw the video title Ah the 2nd time.....kewl

[@3dsaulgoodman43]

Can you guys make a Collapse video for soccer? Like how AC Milan went from being Europe's best, to just another team.

[@SaleenFocusS121]

Life long magic fan since the teams inception. This was painful to relive thanks for posting 😢

[@hojho23]

There are interviews on All the Smoke podcast featuring Vince Carter and featuring JJ Redick, which talked about Stan van Gundy's change of strategies in the 2010 Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics as the head-scratcher. They went away from what worked and it was a shame that team didn't advance to the Finals.

[@landongarcia2179]

Hey Seth, can you guys do videos on how miller and Ewing were ringless? Or the collapse of the 1987 Celtics or the 1982 76ers?

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

Looks like the Magic ran out for the Magic.

[@Irfanhill]

I love this kind of videos. Thanks SB!

[@itsyahboy3095]

Got here as fast as I can. I always love watching these videos.

[@dynomar11]

"Vince Carter was past his prime" That was 10 years ago.

[@sjswift7448]

Now Dwight has a ring, we’ll deserved

[@scottnomore9489]

I love these kinds of vids. TY for some entertainment before the football Sunday

[@genxtasy9914]

Been binging on these.

[@zeke1094]

The first collapse that I lived directly through, and the one that hurts the most. Watching this team live hurt. I wish it could have gone another way

[@isaacbrauerdesigns8693]

Please make one eventually for the 1990's Indians teams. Those teams were loaded and were very consistent, but overall never won the world series with Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, Omar Vizquel and Kenny Lofton. Those 4 names alone should be great for any team!

[@showtimesportsmedia6906]

Dwight getting his first ring with the same franchise he was once despised on in the place he was once so beloved, has to be the perfect character arc ever.

[@leespn4396]

Bruh that's crazy

[@BrandonGannicott]

I'll happily listen to anyone from Secret Base talk about pretty much anything. Thank y'all for the work you do

[@whitedawg2583]

Howard only needed his "Penny Hardaway" and unfortunately Vince Carter wasn't that.

[@michaelbarnes2617]

Howard's offensive game really improved in his prime o the point where he was taking and making bank shots from just outside the paint

[@jonathanwilliams6883]

Excellent content!

[@kylealittleton]

Great timing on this one.

[@ichigojerome]

Best channel on KZbin.

[@loudpackangel1014]

Khabib just retired Connor said he’s going to “carry on” it’s a perfect time to make a khabib vs Connor McGregor beef history

[@levarhicks1000]

I'm thinking he's probably tired and wanted to leave the sport on top. Props to khabib 👏

[@loudpackangel1014]

@@levarhicks1000 khabib the goat

[@Chigz10]

They barely have actual beef though? They have beef like fighters have beef, they wanted to fight each other so they talked about each other a lot and then they fought, I don't know what kinda video that would be, the only interesting thing that happened outside of fight promo was the coach incident.

[@loudpackangel1014]

@@Chigz10 you watch MMA?😭Connor broke a bus window looking for khabib and that’s not even it they have real beef

[@Chigz10]

@@loudpackangel1014 I mentioned that, that's the only thing that happened between them that wasn't promo for a fight.

[@br__uh]

Seth blessed my ears with the intro Love your guys work

[@holdenricker2285]

it’s crazy, been a magic fan since I was a little kid. Remember when they made the finals in 09 I was a kid crazy how bad they are.