How the Republic's Military Really Worked!

[@uriustosh]

The Senate Guards with them broom helmets are so based they just flew through space like Dark Troopers.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Yes.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Realistically the Republic didn’t really need a large army or navy, but it did need a much more robust and effective one if it need to keep the peace, which it didn’t considering how corrupt the Senate has become alongside the rising tensions between the Core and the Rim.

[@00yiggdrasill00]

Agreed. They needed a powerful well trained and equipped central core for security forces to rally around and provide the necessary structure for cross sector groups to work with. It also needed to be clearly called a military to prevent the illusion they were simply police and that the central government was toothless. The judicial forces seemed to work starting out but the idea they were not a military seems to have weakened them over time.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And they also needed more cooperation with the Jedi, especially in terms of collaborative blacker-than-black ops across the galaxy with the Jedi Shadows.

[@feeblezak]

@@michaelandreipalon359 They needed less cooperation with the Jedi. They were far too involved in the affairs of government.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

The Judicial Forces and local PDFs were pretty interesting parts of the lore. I would have loved more stories with minor small conflicts like the Stark Hyperspace War featuring these limited forces.

[@JediSentinal]

Personally, the stark hyperspace war pushes the definition of 'small' but I agree, I would love to see more planetary sized threats instead of Galaxy ending stuff. We've had so many death star variants, sun crusher, dark reaper, Galaxy gun, world devastators, etc. but where are the warlords who take over a single planet and that's it? They do exist and the stories surrounding them are usually interesting, wish we had more of that in non comic/book form.

[@TY-km8hj]

​@JediSentinal me too. I personally think star wars has taken a sawn iff shotgun to its feet by having the enpire essentially smashed to pieces a yr after endor. Its basically a yr of fighting, then jakku, then nothing till thrawn comes back to the galaxy and them 40 yrs of nothing. What a waste. Compare that to the countless warlords the EU had. Really wish someone would start telling warlord stories and occeride that alrt of canon

[@sambridgers9543]

I love learning about PDFs.

[@alexander1485]

its PSFs????

[@sambridgers9543]

@@alexander1485 It's both. Planetary Defense Forces and Planetary Security Forces.

[@endosaurus1404]

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[@YarPirates-vy7iv]

It's an excellent and interesting file format.

[@marshal8358]

I heard you a PDF...

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

This is one of the most interesting and underdeveloped and discussed areas in Star Wars lore imo. I’m intensely curious as to how all these different planetary commands and armies were essentially able to integrate themselves more or less seamlessly into the GAR and alongside the clones with the outbreak of the war. It was mentioned in the video that some of that work was done prior to its outbreak but it’s still an incredibly interesting subject that I unfortunately doubt will ever get much more depth.

[@larsO204]

PDF's are so interesting. We never really got media where PDF's battled against eachother, even though the Essential Guide says that many if not most Clone Wars battles where between PDF's.

[@sambridgers9543]

@@larsO204 I think Shatterpoint had the focus on PDFs fighting each other, with the guerilla wars.

[@kR-qj7rw]

reallistically they were its just clones b1s and venators are the thing that sells and is more present in visual media since 2005 lol

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

@@kR-qj7rwThe spearhead was often the traditional CIS and Clone armies. Like… just a few battles but they were very important.

[@westtgd]

Video topic idea: Outland Regional Security Force

[@sentrysapper45]

I've always liked the aesthetics of the Judicial Forces, from their snappy blue uniforms to their "lean and mean" fleet of refitted corvettes and transports decked out in red livery (because as we all know from another space fantasy setting, "DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA!"). The whole thousand year "Golden Age" between the New Sith Wars and the prequels in Legends is an intriguing one that sadly wasn't explored all that often.

[@westrim]

I don't know if you're actually unaware of the High Republic multimedia project from the last few years, covered a LOT on this channel, or pretending to be to draw engagement.

[@JJJBunney001]

​@westrim that's not really covering that point though. It's at the tail and is essentially about the downfall of the Republic, it's not the peaceful golden age covering the 800 years before that point

[@TheTb2364]

​@@westrimhigh republic just feels so off. It completely fails to capture this sort of post Russan feel. Also it's canon so why bother?

[@arachnomech88]

PDFs and Confederate organic soldiers should have more spotlight rather than all clone vs droid conflict

[@davidmusgrave8140]

I think an interesting video would be an analysis of how big these PDFs would probably be. I would imagine the lore on it is probably pretty limited but I think there are two methods to make an educated guess. You could look at the financial side of things using current Earth countries as a good analogy using something like a percentage of GDP or population. Another way to look at it would be maybe tonnage of vessels. So for example based on Wikipedia the British Royal Navy has a rough blue water tonnage of 285,354 tonnes. And maybe you can compare that to the mass of known Star Wars ships.

[@Kevc00]

This really can't be done because numbers and armies really don't work in star wars. For instance there are currently about 75.5 million soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines on Earth out of a population of just under 8 billion. There are hundreds of quadrillions of people in the republic yet the clone army was smaller than the Chinese army today. Numbers in star wars militaries do not make sense. Even if Coruscant had the official population of 3 trillion, which it almost definitely had at least a thousand times that, that is still nearly 500 times the population of Earth. So if there is an approximately equal rate of military enlistment, not even including the fact that this number is way too low for Coruscant, that is still over 37 billion soldiers. The military of Coruscant alone would outnumber the entire droid army.

[@davidmusgrave8140]

@@Kevc00 You bring up a lot of good points where specific numbers are given in the official lore. That's where I think it would be interesting to contrast that with a few points of hour history to see a bit more realism. For example you could take militarization levels of the modern day, the modern peak (probably middle to end of WW2), and then a peak time in Star Wars such as the Clone Wars or Vong invasion. I think we're going to see that it's very very low as you have raised above. Realistically you have to sort of pretend at some point that Star Wars could be realistic. "Ok if we ignore the stated lore for the size of this army or that fleet, here's what we think it might be."

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Star Wars sorely needs their own Chaos Insurgency, Third Echelon, and Razgriz Squadron. Maybe even a sort of "Justice League Galactic", having groups of young Padawans be Ojamajo-esques or something, and an XCOM expy used in response to wayward races (hint, Neimoidians and Hutts) and extragalactics (hint hint, Yuuzhan Vong and the Nagai plus Tof). Addendum: Thought the comments about the PDFs were about the West End Games sourcebook pdfs.

[@benjaminrobertson2990]

god i love the Invicible-class dreadnought, what a chunky old bastard

[@kR-qj7rw]

its refitted to keep somewhat up to standards and new ones where built its the predesesor of the imperial class in a sense that it stuck around for a loong time just as the ISD was developed in the clone wars and stuck around to like legacy of the force i think

[@DarkVaati13]

Very nice! I always liked the lore about the Judicials and PDFs. I really love the Dreadnaughts of Rendili arc from the Clone Wars comic because we see the conflict between the local forces who are more sympathetic to the CIS going against the Republic loyalist members and seeing them fight over the fleet to see which side it would go towards. Would have been cool to see a pre-clone wars story about the Jedi working with the PDFs to really show off the Dreadnaughts, armed variants of the Consular cruisers, or some other ships.

[@GAJake]

The republic honestly didn't need dreadnaughts, just advanced starfighters remote controlled swarm fighters and well armed and shielded piloted starfighters. At the time there's nothing a few torpedoes couldn't do. An example fleet from ships at the time would be 2 captor-class carriers (ship at 1:35)- 1 with remote controlled stations for vulture droids, and 1 full of z95 headhunters. 1 dreadnaught heavy cruiser, 2 munificent escort frigates, multiple 2P20 frigates & CR70 corvettes, and hammerhead corvettes and gozanti cruisers for resupplying.

[@kR-qj7rw]

Corey my only criticism is that you could maybe have a bit more of a period to digest stuff to the watcher :p i feel like important stuff like the nationalization of the pdfs could benefit of a beat to separate it from the next line to punctuate importance :3

[@andreykuzmin4317]

Not Galactic, nor Republican, nor a Navy. Thank you!

[@andrewmiles6706]

Nice HRE Voltaire reference

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

I never liked the idea of ancient hammerheads and aurek fighters still being in service at the end of the New Sith Wars. My personal headcanon is that they had new designs that were inspired by those old ships and looked somewhat similar, but weren't the exact same ships that had been used almost 3000 years ago.

[@lachlanthomaslangmead1651]

Honestly yeah, the idea of a design lineage rather than literally the same classes makes more sense

[@heavyarms55]

I'd love a video like this about the galactic economy and currencies - if there's enough lore to talk about. It's mostly my head canon, but I always imagined that by the end of the Vong War, the whole damn galaxy had been utterly thrashed within the previous 50 years. While that could have led to mass rebuilding - and that was hinted at in the Dark Nest books a little - I also imagine that basically all the old traditional economic structures would have been smashed to bits repeatedly by that point. One of my favorite moments in the NJO is a really small moment with Danni Quee where she makes a mostly off hand remark about whichever local Imperial warlord claimed her homeworld on a given week. With regimes changing and so much war, it would have to have been utter chaos!

[@captainkeyes1523]

I’d like to see a deeper dive into the Outlands Regions Security Force myselg

[@klamburglar3496]

This used to be a judicial ship, you know.

[@GAJake]

So basically they had a coast guard, not a navy?

[@wedgeantillies66]

basally the republic navy post Ruusan was one capable of keeping the peace and enforcing justice thorough the galaxy through the judicial corps. While sector defence fleets kept individual Planets safe. Problems arise when piratical or commerce hounds created their own powerful navies and left the judicial corps toothless when it came to imposing sanctions on them or stopping blockades.

[@alexander1485]

there was a planet called Thanos? no way.

[@sambridgers9543]

@@alexander1485 Crazy, I know.

[@feeblezak]

It means Immortal in Greek. Marvel slop has no place here.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

I always likened the Judiciary Forces to UNO blue helmets.

[@MileHiGuy95]

Wouldn't planetary defense forces without much of a centralilzed military eventually lead to infighting between the member systems

[@dylankroll]

Can anyone tell me what game it is with the ships? Looks like you can build fleets?

[@CoreysDatapad]

Empire at War using the Fall of the Republic mod

[@azliaheaven]

do you think that if the republic had not privatized and decentralized the security the clone wars would had been impossible?

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

Corruption is corruption. A strong army would not prevent a war on a galactic scale. Especially when one side pumped out billions or trillions of droids in just a few years. The CIS only lost because they were held back. Even a downgraded CIS would be an even match.

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

Cool

[@williamnelson5549]

What do you mean unknown enemy, like how do we know they fought an enemy but like have no idea what they fought?

[@CoreysDatapad]

Because the information provided about it is literally just "the Republic fought here in this year" with no extra information about who they were fighting or why. It's a battle or campaign name with a date and nothing else.

[@williamnelson5549]

Ahh gotcha that would’ve been nice if they fleshed that out more

[@memoryfoam2285]

Wait! I've been mispronouncing Llon Banjeer this whole time??

[@cborch555]

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