How the right has exploited the working-class | Jason Williamson interview

[@hg82met]

Imagine being a working class person and thinking privately educated millionaire ex-banker Farage is on your side and has your interests at heart.

[@freshwaterspaceman7194]

Amen! Farage has helped turn Britain into a basket case.

[@PastaSauce.]

Exactly the same as the working class in America thinking millionaire born trump had their back.

[@Nemo59646]

Trump and Farge are supposedly strong men, equates to Fascists.

[@jmaitlandthomas]

There's just so many of them though 😫 cambridge analytica may be gone but the tactics are still in full force

[@streetsleeper4]

When it comes to stopping illegal immigration, Farage is on our side

[@alexwood3251]

I spent 20 minutes talking to the Reform candidate for Kensington and Chelsea. He had no idea about what illégal immigration is; how many ‘illegal immigrants’ there are. He wasn’t aware of the contradictions in the policies. He had no idea about benefits; which I advised him he should be receiving. He had no idea how public services they would be funded. I came away thinking why is this guy in that party? The thing he is supporting he knows very little about.

[@jimbowers8278]

"It is often noted, rightly, that fascism elevates the irrational over the rational, fanatical emotion over the intellect. It is less often remarked upon, however, that fascism performs this elevation indirectly, that is to say, propagandistically." ― Jason Stanley, 'How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them'

[@oneoflokis]

​@@jimbowers8278Quite. 💯

[@oneoflokis]

💯👍

[@whisperingleaves]

Fascinating, thanks for sharing

[@henrydemonfreid1985]

@@jimbowers8278 thanks for this quote! spot on.

[@Nemo59646]

Austerity has hit disabled people the most,along with single,mothers and the unemployed. I've cerebral palsy and worked for 35 years,until I was made redundant. Labour started Welfare Reform and Welfare to Work. The Conservative Party just doubled down on the misery with the Bedroom Tax. Benefits sanctions and the Two Child Benefit Cap. Now we have Keir Starmer and the retaining of the 2 child benefit cap, It's most telling that Angela Rayner, The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party was on state welfare! Yet she agrees with the Two Child Benefit Cap .

[@jasonharrison5765]

I don't think they agree with it. They have their hands tied by the right wing press who will never give Labour a break, and will use the economy as a stick to beat them with. Let's hope that within three years the two child cap is gone - it absolutely would not be with the tories 💩💩💩

[@Pobotrol]

I don't think they agree with the two child benefit cap. But they aren't saying they will remove it as an election promise.

[@Nemo59646]

@@Pobotrol The SNP took 300,000 out of poverty by getting rid of the 2 child benefit cap and giving each child £25 a week extra . It cost a few billion. In the same time period England and Wales saw an increase of 300,000 more children into poverty. Which is very shameful. It makes me want to cry for the kids.

[@Pobotrol]

@@Nemo59646 Yes, I certainly hope Labour will do it too, I certainly think the will is there, but avoiding Tory attack lines and scaremongering on welfare and tax during an election is the biggest decider of whether they can actually get the chance to do any of these things.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Nemo59646 hear hear. The winter payment and the child payment are big reasons I'm going with SNP again for my constituency, even though I considered giving Greens my support to give SNP a warning over Forbes' conservatism.

[@seebarry4068]

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin

[@kingpig8732]

@Native_Man123voting for or against your own interests is about intelligence though

[@CB-dl1vg]

Conveniently enough the people quoting that statement never assume it includes them, only people who disagree with them.

[@seebarry4068]

@@CB-dl1vg I just put it there, I'm sorry it hurt you. Don't blame your parents, how were they to know cousins shouldn't do that?🤷🏻

[@CB-dl1vg]

@@seebarry4068 More amused than hurt. People who are intolerant to people who disagree with them are a funny bunch, they lord themselves as the most virtuous in the room but scratch the surface and you find just another hateful, bitter person who can’t stand the idea that people are different to them. In a spiteful persons world people who disagree with them are lower, less than, stupid. In a reasonable persons world, that’s just called democracy. What would you do with all these idiots who can’t see your genius, who are lesser than you, if you had all the power? It probably wouldn’t look too democratic would it my friend. You’re so smart you can’t even see your own festering resentment towards your fellow man, hence the derogatory insults that make you feel like you’re above, better than someone who simply disagrees with you.

[@seebarry4068]

@@CB-dl1vg so sorry.

[@Dunc74]

The Labour Party died 30 years ago in 1994 when John Smith died, they have been a different party ever since, they just use the same name.

[@juliewake4585]

And of course it became New Labour didn’t it?

[@Dunc74]

​@@juliewake4585Indeed, but that was at the time, a Blair ploy to get the Sun and the then anti Labour media onside as the Blair leadership still believed it was impossible to win unless they become just another globalist economically liberal party like all the others, and the country has gone downhill ever since.

[@summess5567]

We worked like stink to get it back again by 2015... But the papers told you not to vote for that but to vote to 'Get Brexit Done'. That was the chance. All gone now.

[@lukeamato423]

​@summess5567 fail

[@Dara-rv4pg]

Corbyn was the Labour Left going out with a whimper in England. Wore a dirty jacket to the Centotaph, called Hamas his friends etc.

[@silondon9010]

The Labour party left the British Working class along time ago 😢

[@evolassunglasses4673]

When it went for mass immigration/ millions and millions of cheap workers for international finance capitalism. It's a race to the bottom for the working class. Oligarchs love immigration. Our wages are suppressed and our public services are overwhelmed.

[@buntyjoy1800]

Yeh cos nobody was voting for them

[@sineadadamus2099]

💯

[@TheLucanicLord]

"a long", Ivan.

[@ajaysidhu471]

​@@TheLucanicLordwhat, you think he's Russian?

[@tobyandertonstudio]

The whole situation is utterly soul-crushing. If you want to support genuine Socialism, you have to CHECK your local ousted Labour candidate, who is now running independently or vote for the Labour MP who has a proven track record of supporting the working class and not voting for more bombs and armaments instead of funding your NHS!

[@koala6016]

Great advice, Toby, but you simply stating the obvious.

[@tobyandertonstudio]

@@koala6016 I know, but the message is really not going in, for a large swathe of the country, is it?

[@aleph8888]

The NHS doesn’t need more money, it needs reform. Because it’s not how much government spends; it’s how it spends it. Socialism is a bankrupt 19th century ideology. Adopt a non-profit healthcare model like every other European country instead of having the government run it.

[@MinutemenMInutemen-zi7sy]

The Sleaford Mods 2015 film 'Invisible Britain' says it all and in a very clever and engaging way. They deserve recognition for their politics as well as their music.

[@danmayberry1185]

I disagree with his cringing about lyrics. We didn't need a Bob Dylan to energize us at that age.

[@danmayberry1185]

The set is hauntingly like Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis.

[@TheIkaraCult]

Nothing offends me more than Reform/Brexit/Ukip/NF people telling us that being authentically working class means being a massive \hole

[@gordonstrong5232]

Yep, they also think being working class gives people a free pass to be ignorant and racist, and so if you call that out you're somehow "against the working class" It's basically the bigotry of low expectations. Edit: I'm working class myself, blue collar jobs my whole life, dad a labourer, mum worked part time in a shop, lived in council houses and poor growing up.

[@maewest68]

@Minimmalmythicist yeh but that doesn't count, Leftists are superior to everyone!

[@_Stroda]

@Minimmalmythicist I don't recall seeing any articles in the The Guardian stating that. Attacks on the likes of Farage? Yeah. But that's entirely different. The most hyperbolic, idiotic, 'attack the other side' stuff seems, to me, to overwhelmingly come from right wing publications. They seem much more willing to attack ordinary, working people.

[@easytoassemble54321]

There is no major link between Vote Leave and the National Front. Do some basic research.

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

British Values= cheep larger from Aldi and scraps on your fish n chips.

[@Willopo100]

The reality is labour isn't working class

[@jimbowers8278]

At least the elected Labour leader was raised in a working class household and went to a comprehensive, unlike the entire unelected leadership of Reform.

[@django3422]

​@@jimbowers8278Maybe so but he doesn't seem genuinely interested in policies to benefit the working class.

[@jimbowers8278]

@@django3422 I'm no fan of Starmer nor his cabinet and policies, but at least he isn't an anarchocapitalist who'd cancel all benefits and the NHS. Life just sucks, sometimes, and it's about making the best of crappy choices.

[@django3422]

@@jimbowers8278 Politicians counts on you thinking like that.

[@jimbowers8278]

@@django3422 Yes, I know. I'm not naive and I've probably seen far more general elections than you have. I'm as sick of the half century long failed neoliberal experiment as anyone else is, but *IF* it was a choice between the two, I know which one I'd opt for.

[@bbrs925]

‘You know how the car works, but it’s largely shite’ - a great analogy for British politics in 2024

[@scoates9910]

Great interview, top man Jason ❤

[@RugbyLeagueisbest]

Reform Ltd proves emphatically the saying "where ignorance leads, stupidity follows". Reading their "supporters" posts only enhances it. Pareto was a wise man.

[@daniel18387]

Abraham Lincoln was pretty wise too. I suggest you study his quotes. Generalising millions of people is incredibly crass.

[@digitalbunker4463]

ignorant divisive arrogant snobbery

[@RugbyLeagueisbest]

@@daniel18387 Massive IRONY ALERT 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

[@RugbyLeagueisbest]

@@digitalbunker4463 I agree Mr Farage fulfills those very well.

[@robynkeane1325]

Yay love Sleaford mods!!

[@rafd3593]

Well said Joe.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

I love as this isn’t a huge long video I haven’t got time to watch but this was brilliant. I find people like this or Ian Hislop are very insightful and smart. They’re certainly are “more clued in” as my dad would say.

[@kev643]

Old Etonians and stockbrokers are, according to the English working class, are BORN TO LEAD. They will be voted in again and again.

[@SC-tl3px]

What absolute bollox

[@chippyminton8711]

I think the tide is turning and the 1% are sowing the seeds of division, Divide and Conquer, it worked for the Romans, it will work for the Capitalists. If we let them !

Thanks for speaking up,great band

[@David-j9h9g]

love this dude and his music!!!!

[@jacksonvega7751]

Nice one Mr Williamson

[@kimberleyaxxxx934]

Hey Jason ❤ QUESTION ? how do we reach the Poor (and fearful) in the way the Right have. They pray on fear and raise hate. How do the "good guy" leaders raise hope...raise awareness of people being played...??

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

I'll answer. Don't treat poor people like trash, speak to them about ideas, and do the hard work of not enforcing classism. Embed yourself with the people you want to reach. That's it

[@catherinemira75]

Excellent question. The answer seems as elusive as a black panther in the jungle... The truth is not palatable: life is going to be tough and tougher and that's hardly a good slogan. Selling lies is much better and more exciting and it is successful. Being rational is like having a handicap these days.

[@joetrent4753]

⁠@@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420Part of the problem is that socialists say they stand with the working classes but when socialism fails to get anywhere in elections, the socialists start using abusive language towards all voters who didn’t vote for socialism. Insulting the very people they claim to be representing, rather than trying to figure out why the message didn’t get through is the inherent problem that is just repeated over and over and nothing is learned from it.

[@heyasasha]

just end austerity

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

@@joetrent4753 so your complaint is that socialists don't have the patience of beaten wives I guess. Nothing about the ideas.

[@colonel1757]

Great interview, an hour well spent.

[@crookedhands2701]

I’m also from Grantham/Granthrax and he is 100% bang on about the town

[@RandallSlick]

Don't talk to me about heroes, all we now is honest brains.

[@Dylan-co2cl]

Screw tory blue red and yellow,vote Independent,Green,workers Party.

[@joetrent4753]

And gift the Tories another GE win? No thanks.

[@scottstevens78]

And so we continue then...

[@juliewake4585]

To me, if the Labour Party is so far ahead then a few people voting against the consensus won’t make any difference. But then if more people voted progressive then it might make a real difference.

[@summess5567]

'Workers Party' has no leftwing policies...and is suppoerted by the Right. They oppose real science and sexual liberalism... The clue's in the 'Workers' name... same as 'National Socialist' wasn't very pro-worker either.

[@digitalbunker4463]

@@joetrent4753 that absolutely would not happen. Voting for the smaller parties creates a stronger argument for PR and and end to this undemocratic 2-party system where we get the great choice every 5 years of voting for the other cheek of the same arse.

[@oneoflokis]

Maybe we should MAKE room for socialism! 😏 And fight the ideas of Farage!

[@benadams6019]

Sleaford mods. Sleaford mods. Sleaford mods ❤❤❤

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

Good interview. I don't think Williamson is spot on but definitely a good egg.

[@DJCoachCookie68]

I found this interesting, but a hard watch. I need some positivity and hope. At first I believed in Jeremy Corbyn, but then all his critics led me astray. IMO we should have voted him in, maybe I am wrong but I believe his heart was in the right place ❤ What is the answer to our Political System? And can we achieve it? I was impressed by Jason Volunteering at a local Centre, good for him and thank you!

[@BowserLucaTheThird]

I want to hear more from this guy on politics, the honest reality. Its got so hard to say to people 'protect the NHS' without something about wokism and immigration taking over the conversation and it will break country if we dont straighten that out

[@ES-qm5hr]

Working class politics has always been a middle class pastime.

[@patcampton7163]

We need politics, history and economics to be taught in schools.

[@punky9301]

Brilliant Jason. As usual❤️

[@channel-gt1cb]

His constant frowning must be tiring.

[@michaelgoodwin593]

It's a Yorkshire thing. Just how we are.

[@forestsunset9617]

@@michaelgoodwin593 I'm from Nottingham and I don't do this

[@crung8]

This the same guy who got so offended by a Palestine flag at his gig that the band stopped playing and walked off?

[@easytoassemble54321]

The keffiyeh cosplayers need to stop dragging a foreign war over here, where it has no business being.

[@keithparker1346]

​@@easytoassemble54321if we as a country we're not actively arming and helping the Israeli govt commit war crimes you'd have a point

[@FART-REPELLENT]

The foreign war you're referring to has absolutely everything to do with the U.K., successive U.K. governments have been the root-cause of the conflict for at least 100 years.​@@easytoassemble54321

[@crung8]

@@keithparker1346 the country is run by Zionists so i cannot criticise it’s zionist constituents? what?

[@crung8]

@@easytoassemble54321 ignoring the obvious moral responsibility you have to oppose genocide, when our tax money is being sent over there - it is absolutely our business.

[@michaelrch]

God knows there are enough politically ignorant people out there who are going to vote Labour because they aren't the Tories. The few people who are actually paying attention and understand how shite Labour are now have a duty to register their actual preference and vote for someone actually left of centre. As soon as the Labour neoliberal machine has your vote, your power to effect change is gone.

[@joetrent4753]

There are a lot of people who will vote Labour because other parties don’t stand a chance of winning. What’s the point in voting for a leftwing party if they aren’t going to win and that vote would more than likely just split the vote and give the Tories or Reform a chance? And you call Labour voters politically ignorant. All voters have been doing for the past 14 years is splitting the vote and gifting the Tories another win.

[@Yourismouter]

hear hear!

[@davidmchale5890]

A.B.C Anyone But Conservative

[@michaelrch]

@@joetrent4753 what was the point of voting UKIP in 2015 when they won no seats? Answer: they sucked millions of votes away from the Tories which caused Cameron to have a Brexit referendum to sure up support from that wing of his base. UKIP got their main objective without winning a seat. If you vote labour they will continue to take you for granted. If you want to be taken for granted and have zero impact on their policy, go ahead.

[@michaelrch]

@@joetrent4753 and no, the ignorant voters don't only vote Labour. They vote for whoever the tide is flowing towards. Tories most of the time because that's where the media leads them. Labour when the Tories are failing very obviously.

[@grayssportsalmanac85]

Sleaford Moderates. Where's all the genuine punk bands these days ffs? 🙄

[@Commonsenseprevails23]

They grown older and now vote reform

[@grayssportsalmanac85]

@@Commonsenseprevails23 Yeah, like Johnny Rotten. 🤮

[@lizzy6333]

local hardcore bands

[@grayssportsalmanac85]

@@lizzy6333 Yeah. Seems a bit of money changes them.

[@forestsunset9617]

Sit-on-the-Fence Mods

[@paulronalddoe4548]

Top man

[@napalmslayer]

They should call the reissue divide and Brexit.

[@AliceWatts-d3v]

I’ve Just watched Gary’s economics show & this illustrates the problem with this country beautifully. What we need to do is Unit with the new media platform, the tTrade Unions & other campaign lead groups & Independant Socialists groups & the Greens, & Liberals for proportional Representation Voting 🗳️ To be about responsibility for everyone & equality also for everyone not the few 🙌🗳️✊

[@thegeneral123]

Populism is very appealing to working class people with a poor educational background. I'm working class but I have a good educational background so I don't fall for the peddlers of lies and easy answers. I also feel a lot of frustration as a left wing socialist that Labour have moved to the centre right. However the UK seems so obsessed with the right, could a left wing agenda ever win again in the UK? So I'm forced to vote Labour just to get the Tories out.

[@laurencedavey3121]

Agreed, we're a very conservative country. Why else would we have put up the Tory circus for as long we did?

[@Fieldeluxe]

That's good you're smart enough to know importing millions of immigrants is actually good for the working class, they are too stupid to realise it!

[@GlennSmith-m2e]

Education isn't a vaccine against unpleasant social views. There are and always have been educated people with iffy political leanings.

[@ayten705]

It's unprincipled for a socialist to vote for New Labour, Starmer is to the right of even Blair.

[@Jj-ff9vq]

😂 Properly funny

[@iamg07]

From what I’ve seen over the last 30 years many working class people want higher status and to become wealthier and not be working class anymore. This is appeal of parties like Reform. That's what they sell. The truth is that someone will always have to do the menial work. The question is what are menial jobs really worth and who will do them?

[@Mrgingerdread1]

How about diverting some of the billions given to the arms industry.

[@danielwebb8402]

How about being thankful but not talking for granted you live in the 70 years with lowest proportion of humans dying due to conflict in all of human history?

[@Mrgingerdread1]

@@danielwebb8402 ?

[@hypersynesthesia]

Well this was a bit painful. "Guess I'll just vote centrist, they won't really change anything but it's all shite anyway", "what do I know, I'm just a singer"... Cool, good for you, fella. Not like the Overton window has ever changed position, eh. Reckon I'll vote for a party that's offering some energy and ideas for change (Greens) rather than centrist-sleepwalking into fascism like the US and France.

[@yeldraym]

Didn't vote for the last few years; voting for Labour this time; moans about the lack of change on offer. Nice one.

[@SkinnyEMedia]

I'd rather have Jason for Prime Minister rather than Keir Starmer. Anyone agree?

[@Tonino_O]

So we moved over to the "between 2 ferns" studio 😂😂

[@1pauljs]

20:35 I think you are trying to minimize what they’ve done. ‘You’re not a thinker’ what sort of thing is that to say to a person.

[@adr-denzel]

Very worthwhile discussion on a serious subject, but I couldn't help but thinking the whole time: Is this guy Christian Bale playing a part?? :)

[@radjew]

not longer political, probably need to tell the gig goers.

[@Ireallylovecheddar]

Palpatine looks so tired these days.

[@jamesdunn8968]

We are all voting Green Norwich. ❎❎❎❎❎❎

[@juliewake4585]

I’m not Norwich but I’m still voting green. It’s the only way for me. Political parties need to persuade me, and everyone else, to vote for them, and most of them have offered nothing.

[@juliewake4585]

@Native_Man123 why?

[@henrydemonfreid1985]

@Native_Man123 is that your entire logic for voting reform? come on, what about their polices.... which policies of theirs can you get behind, other than their view on immigration....

[@Rougepelt]

Seems to be a demographic thing, lots of younger people are suffering and are entirely open to classical socialism (with or without the modern liberal elements), but it takes a special kind of boomer to be genuinely leftwing, and not just an ‘inset beverage’ socialist.

[@farhadchaudhry]

Most people are social democrats of some variety. But they don't vote that way. If at all.

[@axelbruv]

Very intelligent man.

[@grayssportsalmanac85]

We lost the only chance to change things with Corbyn.

[@trapset1539]

😂

[@cehaem2]

@@grayssportsalmanac85 Corbyn had one massive issue - he didn't have a power base within the party.

[@subVersionband]

Got no time for a band that whinge about working class struggle whilst turning their noses up at palestine

[@slartibartlast968]

Yes, being working class is no excuse for being a div about Israel's crimes.

[@calzonelover3950]

Sure but if you want to foster working class solidarity you have to lose this zero sum approach. You can have solidarity with people that don't 100% agree with all your political opinions. Working alongside people in solidarity for a common cause is also a better forum to express your political opinions and have someone hear you out, rather than progressives moralising at arms length from working class people

[@summess5567]

Oh... THat's a bit silly of them isn't it.

[@subVersionband]

@@calzonelover3950 honestly, the amount of working class advocates i’ve come across who are all for class solidarity - yet fail to make the working class inclusive to all within it prevents any real class solidarity. Its seems to mostly be middle-class liberals rallying behind class solidarity whilst turning a blind eye to all other struggles faced by non-white working class, neurodiverse working class, disabled working class etc etc etc. Him being pro-class solidarity but “meh” about genocide kind of backs that stereotype up somewhat.

[@calzonelover3950]

@@subVersionband I get it and agree things need to be inclusive, it's just pragmatically how much time do you spend trying to get there before you can then mobilise. In the interim it feels like the best way forward is to create solidarity around issues that materially affect the entire working class (like housing for example) and build solidarity from that action, as different types of people work shoulder to shoulder for a common cause. Action on housing is good because marginalised groups disproportionately affected by the housing crisis disproportionately benefit when you start fixing it

[@Om-ry4tb]

Really negative hopeless message when he could be talking about class solidarity and building alternative social institutions, people around the country are doing supper clubs and food banks, community food growing and gardens, mutual aid, housing campaigns, refugee removal resistance, trade unions wins. Doesn't it bother him that Labour are for privatising the NHS, they are sold out to big business, loads of them are professional lobbyists for global corporations. Its up to us to build the alternative. Starmer's Labour is dangerous. I get we go through political depressions but jeez he is pretty lost.

[@StephenMerchant-up8sg]

Do you seriously think that the Labour Party are standing up for ordinary people Jason? Really?

[@zidermakesispooky]

'Landfill indie' ouch!

[@forestsunset9617]

skip rat rap

[@thepoliticalgardner]

No it hasn't, its going to go independent rather than party focus. The ultimate protest vote.

[@farhadchaudhry]

Jason Williamson's a disappointment. Writing the sort of lyrics he has for a decade, then saying he'll vote for Starmer's Labour..... Just ridiculous.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

@@farhadchaudhry Why, should he follow you and vote Reform?

[@elias.knotman]

Anyone who describes Johnson as far right isn’t paying attention. The Tories are Blairites through and through. As for socialism, maybe come and tour Vietnam one day (where I live) and see how that’s working out. You wouldn’t be looking down on working class people so much.

[@trapset1539]

Bingo

[@shojaejlali1290]

I lived and worked in Vietnam. What the Vietnamese have got....tho deeply flawed is better than what the british have. They were the friendliest people ive met. There was still a feeling of community in Vietnam which is just GONE in modern britain. When i stepped off the plane in england i felt a wave of depression hit me. The greyness,the silence on buses...the angry,lonely faces on the streets. Vietnam felt like a country being born....england feels like a country dying. Finally i would add that Vietnam doesn't work or operate like a socialist country at all. I dont think ive been to a country thats more business minded and capitalist than Vietnam. Money talks and bullshit walks. Same in china. I dont think ive lived in a country with as many small businesses and a smaller welfare state. Britain is much more socialist in many ways. The problem in britain is theyve created a dependency state thats so socially fragmented that its created a malaise and sickness thats so difficult to break out of. Its easier to play the Pip...long tetm sicness benefit card than it is to work. Its the genuine working class that i feel for than the underclass in britain. Even the solid middle class are so squeezed financially now. All the while the elites are just adding to their coffers watching the working class and middle class tearing each other apart 😢

[@elias.knotman]

@@shojaejlali1290 I agree with a lot of this. The Vietnamese people are wonderful. I married one of them, and we made another one. But there is no getting round the fact that the state is corrupt from top to bottom. Teachers are not paid properly. I speak to doctors who work for a pittance. And so people take care of themselves. My wife and her friends have their own co-operative insurance scheme for bad times. There are lots of things like that, people stepping in because the state is useless. Read back far enough in British history and you will find that was the case in the UK: Burke's 'little platoons'. Now the state owns the monopoly on welfare and does an abysmal job. It's not about money. It's about culture and ideas. So my point is that socialism is basically responsible for a lot of problems. But the British have been so thoroughly propagandised over the years that they elevate the NHS to some form of religion. People here in Vietnam would love to have an environment which isn't collapsing every day (and believe me, there is an ecological reckoning coming down the line), but they cannot protest, cannot gather together, cannot publish criticism. All things in the UK we take for granted. Even under the current clowns in government.

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

RIP The Chameleon ❤

[@Tommy-jl9dm]

Socialism requires consent but all main political parties have ignored the will of the majority especially on immigration and green energy stealth taxes and that to me is true fascism.

[@MxLee192]

This is one of the most depressing interviews I've ever seen.

[@redmed10]

What did you find depressing about it? Or is that all you wanted to say?

[@Mr.PastGlory]

Not much different situation here in Germany.

[@nicknewman7848]

Interesting chat guys.. Slightly depressing but a Shit sandwich is never going to taste good, so.....

[@forestsunset9617]

there is a choice but we don't get somewhere new by eating the same old smelly sandwich

[@leonkeogh8554]

Great interview thanks again Politics Joe. Keep this up and I'll be forced to contribute financially.

[@lerx5799]

they're bankrolled by millionaires, they don't need you

[@hariowen3840]

And where did that happen before eh???

[@forestsunset9617]

7:53 IT'S DARE!

[@TheDreadfulCurtain]

Makes sense for a punk band revival tbh. Because we have been fucked by Tory government for so long seems like the logical response.

[@peterjoslyn1]

One thing you have to do if you want the Tories out is to vote. You must. Not voting is exactly what they want you to do! Be apathetic! That’s cool! No. You want purity and perfection from Labour? Sorry that’s never happened. But there’s a chance you’ll get something, something that will enable you to live your life with more joy. Maybe that’s all we can ask for. But not voting, no way.

[@mrmeldrew693]

'The far right'...... Basically what we had in the early 1990s.

[@TimComley]

🙄

[@jameseastwood9673]

When an upper class lad interviews a meandering barely coherent working class lad "for the shits and giggles" because they vaguely share the same socio economical opinion. Christ I'm poor working class from the north West and I gave up on this interview 5 minutes in. 🤮

[@scottstevens78]

So sad to hear that. Some good points are made here and I think you could get something from it. Your voice is needed.

[@ppetal1]

​@scottstevens78 nah. Most of it a complete waste of time. "I dunno." and "I'm just a singer". Repeatedly.

[@iamg07]

What is it you aspire to exactly? You’re visualising the interviewer as “upper class” and the interviewee as”working class” and immediately creating a division just for the sake of it. I get the impression most of your problems are your own creation.

[@asquietas]

Inverted elitism positing a critical angle on words unheard

[@juliewake4585]

Oh dear: maybe it’s my age and the fact that I don’t really do popular music and I’ve never heard of this guy. I do like what he has to say though.

[@ajrh82]

Outside of two bamboo with Ollie Dugmore

[@monsirto]

Who is the bigger person? The one who is born into struggle and fights for justice or the one who is born into privilege, acknowledges it and fights for those who are oppressed? I hope Jason has grown up a bit, we could do with less division on the left.

[@TheDreadfulCurtain]

Everyone please vote out the Tories. Forever. Bring back the left in the Labour Party. Vote Green Party.

[@kayedal-haddad]

What about The Workers Party?

[@cehaem2]

@@kayedal-haddad You mean George "I have scars on my head but no one has seen them" and his bunch of nutjobs? Good to see that clown is gone.

[@Sankara561]

Well he didn't have anything interesting to say

[@gwimyeon]

The weird plants

[@holdmusic_]

People that don’t understand politics and haven’t actually read Labour’s policies will come in here and say that Labour and the Tories are the same. Usually poor education, misinformation or pivoting on a single issue. This country is experiencing a brain drain.

[@stephencruickshanks3794]

Free Palestine 🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪

[@DuanRussel]

i dont understand why SDP arent more popular. they literally hold the anti globalism views of reform, but the socialist views of old labour.

[@cehaem2]

@@DuanRussel Reform isn't "anti-globalist" and never has been. Reform ltd. hates the immigration but loves the unchecked flow of money.

[@lessparks8553]

They think we are simply toys

[@MarkTaylor]

Between two.........bamboos

[@tylermadsen6596]

what happened to this man

[@MxLee192]

Made his money and probably got tired of it all.

[@rop4167]

Pointless interview! "I don't know, you know"; "I'm only a musician" - guess what show you're on (again?!). He made his career presenting his USP as "politics, poverty, and the life of the working class in austerity-era Britain." it's not like they've ever challenged that descriptions. I wish he'd been asked about his Palestine diva-fit "“Don’t be asking me to pick sides for something I ain’t got any real idea about, at a gig. I’m a singer. My job is music. The only real thing I know about War is that I’m sick and tired of premature death like we all are. Of the murder of anyone, under whatever fucking belief grid.” 76 years of ethnic cleansing and you realise Sleaford Mods are just a thinking mans Chas & Dave... Don't have on people who don't have opinions - you have artists in America at their level who are at risk of losing everything for political view and this guy who hasn't a fully realised view of the world

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

💯🎶🎵❤️🤘😎👍

[@nickxcore74]

Both of them are just as disillusioned and pessimistic about the future like me. I’m sure we’re not a minority either.

[@billypaisley6211]

Urine mate!

[@getthoseskills4451]

This guy is so woke and with all the middle class liberals. He is clueless when it comes to the working class.

[@lose8447]

Anyone but labour lib dem tory

[@craig7248]

Ah, Jason. The man of the people. The voice of the oppressed. Unless it's speaking up for dead Palestinian children. Then he's ok with that.

[@pt17171]

"Working class", "red wall" lol. Why is this subsection of the electorate treated as the most important people in the country? Why are they seen as more worthy and important than the middle class? Endless discussions about how to make racists happy lol.

[@TheHippocrocapig]

Great music. Terrible politics.

[@jackcarterog001]

Nonsense

[@m76k]

Whack it bruv

[@LimeyRedneck]

😶

[@BananaBananaBanana-y3k]

He's a bit of a non-event. Sleaford Mods are performative nothingness & the politics seems to just be 'we represent working class views' without actually advocating for a better life for the working class - it feels very much like class-porn. Why would this guy want a better deal for the working class after all? It would be a threat to his art. I mean, christ, look at the absolute state of the east midlands and what has this guy really done except leach off that decline?

[@NaomiOjok]

Musicians don't profess to know the answers, they just express things and people are either enthused by it or not. But practically if anyone volunteers locally, as he says he does, especially in this economy I would think they contribute something and do good

[@JayGriffinblaze]

@@NaomiOjok Charlotte Church